Warcraft Lore and RPG Discussion

>>46130598
Isn't there already a Warcraft tabletop RPG?

>>46130662
It's not very good, but has some interesting (noncanon) setting details.

Building on an idea from the last thread- in the AU where Kel'Thuzad breaks away and forms the forsaken, how does his "annexation" of Guilneas in Cata differ from Sylvannas's

>>46130598
>tfw you realize his beard isnt tucked into his belt its just the lower part is his bush braid

>>46130662
There is, but it's pretty much a DnD 3.5 reskin. And also, the setting, thanks to a disease I refer to as MMOitis, is now plagued and unclean, so people like to discuss necessary retcons and alterations they'd make for a less clunky, more cohesive Warcraft universe that doesn't revolve around selling expansions and keeping people hooked in for subscription time.

>replaying BC
>go through the Unyielding quest chain
>the tower that their commander is in has a Stormwind banner
>all their destroyed siege equipment has Lordaeron banners
daily reminder that with Stormjews, you lose

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post best demon hunter names and race/gender

>hankhillidan already taken on my server

>>46130732
Isn't the only way to make a game with canonicity into a tabletop RPG by using Pathfinder as a spine and homebrew off of it?

>>46130771
>tfw you will never sneak up on a demon hunter by being a non-magical rogue with stealth
>you will never rape a demon hunter

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>>46130802
if this is what it turns QT female night elves into you can have them

>>46130849
But instead of moaning in weeaboo they start moaning in Communist.

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>>46130802
il just sit here with my water elemental and watch you fuck up.

>>46130849
OH YEEEES!

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>>46130880
>Elf Slav what do

>>46130771
I predict that all of the following will show up on day one.
>Illidang_son
>Illidank420
>Killidanger
>Thrillidan
>Willidan_or_Wontidan

>>46130955
>Illidanomachines_son

>>46130802
They see through being sneaky too, dumbass. You can't hide behind anything to conceal yourself.

Of all the classes you could pick to try and overpower a Demon Hunter and you pick Rogue?

Also, quit being rapey. It's only hot when it's on Futazeroth and there's just women and women with dicks, and instead of fighting they wrestle-fuck.
... Maybe I should've kept that to myself.

>>46130771
Make, whichever elf called Hankhillidan.

Probably bloodelf for the skin and hair color?

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>>46130771
>Hankhillidan

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>>46130955
Steellidan.

thoughts on the super weapons we will be wielding in Legion

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/game/artifacts/

>>46130955

Illidangerzone, unless that's too long

>>46131085
Entirely by coincidence, was marathoning Archer.

>>46131027
Well now I want to make a demon hunter for the soul purpose of using that name

>>46131021
>>46131024
Propanemind.

>>46131041
Unholy Death Knight is atrocious, all versions.

Marksman Hunter are all pretty sexy (hell, all the Hunter ones are pretty great).

Arcane Mage looks like it's straight out of Yuna's armory in Final Fantasy X.

Fire Mage is pretty cool.

Frost Mage ranges from neat to okay.

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>>46131041
>DK
Stupid that you're forced to dual wield as Frost, but the story's fine from what I hear.
Blood's weapon has nothing to do with DKs.
Unholy's weapon shares the same basic questline as Balance and some rogue spec, from what I hear, so that's stupid.

>DH
No clue, but both sets of glaives look cool as hell- and the addition to lore of a race that was completely fel-immune is pretty goddamn huge.

>Druid
Pretty cool all around.

>Hunter
IMO, they should've swapped beast mastery with survival in regards to the melee/shooting thing to be more in line with Rexxar and stuff.
The Beast Mastery gun looks ugly as hell, and the fact that BEAST MASTERY is tied to FUCKING MIMIRON, THE KEEPER OF INGENUITY, makes about no goddamn sense.

>Mage
Pretty cool all around. Getting a Guardian of Tisifal's staff or the sword of the last Phoenix King is pretty cool. Can't remember what the Arcane weapon is.

>Monk
Windwalker, the most played monk spec, ends up taking you to... Uldum. Because Uldum has a rich history of MONKS THAT ORIGINATED ON PANDARIA, APPARENTLY. I WANTED XUEN. Also, fist weapons are generally pretty dumb.

>Paladin
Prot feels very "meh" compared to Holy and Ret. Holy = Tomb of Tyr, get the weapon of a Keeper of Ulduar. Ret = Get the goddamn Ashbringer from a dying Tirion. Prot = Get a shield from ... some vrykul who thought Tyr was great.

>Priest
I know next to nothing about these.

>Rogue
Also these.

>Shaman
Scepter of Azshara is ugly and stupid. I'd sooner get something from, like... Neptulon himself, not some sea-themed bonking stick. Should've swapped Ra-den's Claws with the windwalker claws for monks from Uldum- would've made WAY more sense. At least Ra-Den is pretty much from Pandaria.

>Warlock
Scythe is wicked. Skull is great. Don't remember/care about the last one.

>Warrior
Hope you like swords- because all 3 specs use fucking swords. Only Arms has any somewhat pre-established lore.

>>46130692
I liked what it did with the Cult of Forgotten Shadow. While they weren't unified, they still had enough influence to make Sylvanas a bit nervous. I think it would be rather nice to have a faction like that represented ingame, preaching to the new generation of Forsaken and whatnot.

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>>46131041
>tfw paladin player
Kind of disappointed. Ashbringer was already a letdown for me. I was hoping for something less gaudy. The Silver Hand, though, is the biggest disappointment. With a name like that, I would have expected to wield Uther's old piece, dusted off and dolled up for today's graphics. If I'm going to fight the Legion, I want to look like the heroes of old, dammit.

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>>46131419
Yeah. I thought for sure the Prot weapon would be Tyr's whatever and the holy weapon would be Uther's gavel and libram.

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>>46130598
will best character live on in Azeroth?

>>46131398
Forgotten Shadow, Echo of Life, and the Royal Apothecary Society would have made great competition with each other.

>>46130955
>tfw no Skillidan

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>>46131350
Balance and a Warlock spec.

It takes you into a crypt by Karazhan, but NOT FUCKING UPSIDE DOWN SINNERS GODDAMMIT BLIZZARD LET US THE FUCK INSIDE ALREADY!

It IS one of Tyr's shield ...sorta same for the hammer, the actual SIZE of Tyr is "Fucking Massive" (Pic fucking related) so chances are he used neither of them directly.

>>46131350
>Hope you like swords- because all 3 specs use fucking swords. Only Arms has any somewhat pre-established lore.
Prot is a sword PAIRED WITH A SCALE OF DEATHWING.

>Frost DKs get shards of Frostmourne
>Balance Druids get the Scythe of Elune
>Destruction Warlocks get a staff apparently owned by fucking Sargeras and Ner'zhul

There's no way this can go wrong. Also, kind of surprising that Shamans of all people get something wielded by Azshara. I expected her name to be tied to a mage item instead.

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>>46131465
>best character
You mean this one.

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>>46131564
you guys keep posting the wrong picture

>>46131470
Well, I got the impression that the Forgotten Shadow was the most influential group not directly working for the Banshee Queen. The Echo of Life was mostly just a bunch of mages fucking around and getting high on magic.

No, I want to see the Cult of Forgotten Shadow indirectly competing with Sylvanas herself. The new Forsaken who join don't seem to be a lot like the old generation, who were more of the Lilian/Redpath variety of angry dudes, as the ones who join in the starting zone seem to be the more cheerful or dispassionate sorts. Neither of which seem like they would have as close an attachment to Sylvanas as the old generation who were led to freedom by her.

I want to see the political aftermath of Sylvanas's choice to raise so many new of the undead, as they seem like they would make excellent converts for anyone able to give a semi-convincing offer.

>>46131550
oh just look at what shadow Priest's get!

Shadow - Xal'atath, Blade of the Black Empire

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/19942704/

>>46131538
>Prot is a sword PAIRED WITH A SCALE OF DEATHWING.
You say that like I should give a shit. One measly scale, big deal. Besides, it's not like his hide is super awesome. Tortolla's shell is tougher.

>>46131620
>made from the claw of an Old God
>uses powerful Void energies and mind magics to warp everything around it

Seems legit.

>>46131653
half of this shit scares me...one wrong move and we will be dealing with shit worse then the Legion!

>>46131653
>>46131662
It's correct to say that the Void is same as the Warp, from 40k??

>>46131662
>PCs running amok with handheld WMDs
Yeah, that's definitely a bigger threat than the Legion. At least demons don't gain XP on kills. Fucking hell. Also sad that Priests don't just get a single all-spec artifact with a mode selector as a call back to Anathema/Benediction. That thing was the shit back in vanilla. Bringing it back would have been cool as hell.

>>46131724
Discipline - Light's Wrath
Obsessed with cleansing undead from the world of Azeroth, the fanatical Scarlet Crusade tried to create a second Ashbringer in the form of a staff. However, a dreadlord who had infiltrated the order intervened, interrupting their efforts and triggering a violent magical explosion. The damaged staff’s power proved nearly uncontrollable. After several wielders tried and failed to use the staff safely, the elite magi of the Kirin Tor hid it away lest it unleash further deadly calamities.

whyyyyy

>>46131620
>>46131653
>>46131662
Old Gods are chump change to the Legion nowadays sadly.

They have "Void Lords" behind them who are worse though.

I don't like that dagger because ALL of the options for it have that forward hook to them and they use a stab animation that hits the enemy with the outer side, not that you stab much a a shadow priest but it just looks weird.
>>46131706
No.

>>46131653
I hope they make it whisper.
>>46131662
Don't worry. The Old Gods have reason to fight the Legion. Plus, I think we'd all look better with a few more eyes and additional appendages would make multitasking that much easier!

>>46131742
>An incredibly unstable failed experiment made by the fucking Scarlet Crusade and potentially tainted by a goddamn Dreadlord
What fucking retard in the Kirin Tor decided that this thing would be safe to hand out to murderhobos? In fact, what fucking retard decided that it should be used as anything other than a magical anti-demon JDAM?

>>46131742
>SC trys to make Ashbringer 2.0 and it goes boom in there faces

sounds about right for those crack heads!

>>46131786
A horrifically unstable staff was born to be wielded by, at this point, the strongest disc priest in the world.

>>46131786
Oh it gets better! lets go to the warlocks!

Destruction – Scepter of Sargeras
Created through incredible effort by hundreds of Sargeras' servants, this scepter can rip open dimensional gateways between worlds. It was entombed beneath the sea for centuries, then used by the orc shaman Ner'zhul to open the portals that tore the world of Draenor apart, leaving behind the shattered realm of Outland. The scepter was finally secured by the elite magi of the Kirin Tor. Unable to destroy it, they hid it away in a magically protected chamber and put it under eternal watch to prevent it from ever being used again.

>>46131810
I don't want some nameless faggot to be the strongest in the world.

>>46131826
being a frost mage is sounding so safe right now!

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>>46131826
Just how much ridiculous, potentially apocalyptic ordnance is sitting around in Kirin Storage anyway? Blizzard making all of these items so old only brings up more questions, like why nobody thought to liquefy Arthas, the Scourge, or Deathwing using these apparently ancient WMDs.

>>46131910
The archmages are holding out on us!

>>46131910
Funny thing is that is going to be a plot point in legion

I wish I could still get Atiesh, that would have made a cool class wep

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>>46131974
I hope the lazy fucks in Dalaran's logistics department get what's coming to them. They could have saved Antonidas, Old Dalaran, and countless lives if they'd just bothered to sign off on the paperwork to release Aegwynn's backscratcher.

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>>46131041
im amazed at how awful many of these are. they have tons of lore weapons to pull from. why make up stupid bullshit ones? especially ones without even cool backstories?

most of even the lore ones seem to have a story of "reforged and made even stronger" so you could do that with any lore weapon you want to explain away its power up.

anyway top tier:
>frost dk
>fire mage
>ret pally
>both demon hunter
>balance druid
>marksman hunter
>disc priest
>demonolog warlock (they already have the spoopy scythe for transmute who cares about a slightly less cool looking version of it)

o i am laffin tier:
>all the warrior crap
>pretty much everything not in the top tier

>>46131989
Cuckmage 2.0 is using it to look 40 years younger and get you to farm books for him so he can make a ring.

>>46132023
I think the excuse is that no one before Legion was reasonably strong enough to handle all these relics safely, at least those relics that aren't already in the wild like Ashbringer.

>>46132023
I think some of that shit is being used to make the shield around the city to keep the demons out.

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>>46132056
Unironically, this.

>>46132029
Those stilettoes on Sylvanas are as tall as her head.

>>46132061
>tfw Antonidas' staff was a WotLK-era drop
Man, Legion PC power levels must be off the charts, then.

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>>46132113
i know its a pretty good model isnt it?

>>46132062
So the city has the Warcraft version of a void shield...how long until it goes down in legion

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Do you guys think Legion will be the final expansion, or some kind of conclusion??

Also, what are the chances of we seeing pic related?? What do you think she will do??

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>>46132103
>tfw traitor tirion dies for pally quest
>tfw traitor khadgar doesnt die for mage quest

>>46132056
He is only like 40 years old, he's been slowly working back the curse of "look like an old bastard" Sargeras-Medivh put on him, and actually grooming himself to boot.

>>46132056
>Cuckmage 2.0
Who?

>>46132222
>Do you guys think Legion will be the final expansion, or some kind of conclusion??

kek no, this is Blizzard we're talking about

>>46132389
the traitor of the alliance who wears a belt around his neck

>>46132222
>Acti-Blizz ever letting WoW die so long as it turns a profit

AHAHAHAHAno.

And there's a dungeon called the Eye of Azshara or something in Legion, and a bunch of Naga show up in wherever elf-island on the Broken Isles to try and get their scaly mitts on something. But apparently Neptulon's free, 'cause otherwise Azshara would've flooded the planet.

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>>46131041
shit son. marksman hunters are going to lose both traps and pets

>>46131041
>all the Warrior artifacts are swords

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>46132225
Realistically unless this next expack actually does revitalize the game they have three more expansions at most before it no longer turns a profit.
In terms of raw content the devs have said they have "About '10' (with the last two expansions this would be 8) ideas already in the works and thoughts on what to do after that."

>>46132440
You can mog a sword into anything.

Pity the people who get stuck with daggers and fist weapons.

>>46132476
>Elemental shaman gets a fist weapon
If I was actually playing nowadays, I'd be crying.

>>46132528
I actually sorta would like that on my ele shaman since i could transmog Lobstmourne over it and have an old-gody crab claw for my first weapon.

But I quit ele after they tried to force the horrible-to-use 2 second cast earthquake into Ele's rotation in WoD. I don't fucking care that spamming chain lightning was boring, it's a hell of a lot less boring (And FUCKING HELL of a lot less of a kick in the nuts if the tank has to move the mobs off your 2.56 second cast 10-second CD AoE before it finishes) than waiting on Earthquake.

>>46132476
I thought you couldn't mog artifacts

You know, so fury warriors can lose the one thing that makes them unique

>>46132655
You can transmog artifacts into things, but not things into artifacts.

i.e. You can't be a Prot Paladin with stuff looking like the Holy Paladin artifact.

>>46132598
>Lobstmourne
My nigga, I love wearing it with Mr. Pinchy out.

>>46132056
You can't just shove a buzzword and a class together and hope it makes sense.

Haven't played since Cata. Did we ever get any more Old God lore?

>>46132952
Everything in Warcraft Chronicles.

For instance, the Void Lords are the true Big Bads and created the Old Gods.

>>46131419
Uther was a failure so they didn't pick his stuff.

>>46132952
Well... Yes. A fair bit, actually.

This post is kinda just one big spoiler, so skip down to the next one if you want.

1. Void Lords, beings of pure malefic hatred and a desire for complete destruction of all things, exist in the Void. They are so powerful they make Sargeras, ex-Champion of the Pantheon and current ruler of the Burning Legion, shit his pants at the idea of them entering the universe proper.

2. The Void Lords intend to accomplish their total unmaking of reality by corrupting a nascent Titan. Titans are formed, very rarely, in the hearts of planets. Or more accurately, they are the planets. Planets with souls become Titans. Anyway, they plan on corrupting one by sticking Old Gods onto it like big, gross pustules of darkness and tentacles.

3. They sent them scattering across the universe, and as luck would have it, 4 hit Azeroth. On a related note, another set almost completely corrupted another, separate Titan-soul. Sargeras was the one to find it, and he destroyed the planet to stop it. It's also why he went rogue when the Pantheon didn't agree that wiping out all planets (and all potential Titans) was the only safe way to keep the Void Lords from corrupting one of them.

4. Anyway, the Pantheon later found Azeroth and realized that were it to awaken, it would be the most powerful Titan yet- even more than Sargeras, and perhaps even strong enough to defeat the Void Lords themselves. Because just ripping up the old gods would cause too much damage, they sent their Titanforged armies down to fight and contain the Old Gods.

5. They succeeded. The Titanic Keepers (Thorim, Odyn, Hodir, Freya, Archaedas, Loken, Tyr) fought and contained all the Old Gods but one. Y'shaarj remained, and it was too dangerous to Azeroth to be allowed to live- so Aman'thul reached down and wrenched the mountainous Old God from the world and crushed it in his metallic, god-like hand.

(cont)

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>>46133008
he was and a white guilt nigger loving cuck to boot but that doesnt mean i cant take his cool shit and put it to good use

also why isnt a reforged pic related the arms warrior weapon?

>>46133128
>desire for complete destruction of all things
Well, it's more like they want to consume it and remake it in their image.

>>46133128

More spoilers, but I'm not covering this whole post in black, so whatever.

6. However, this left a gaping, bleeding wound- and it bled the pure, magic blood of a Titan. They knew that if they were to do this again, it would likely result in Azeroth's death before it was even born. So they had their keepers contain this font of pure magic energy that flowed from the heart of the world: The Well of Eternity.

7. Y'shaarj, although dead, had pieces of its body rain down on the world in its demise. Namely, its heart. Rather than destroy it, unaware of what corruptive power it may unleash, the highest of the Titanic Keepers, Highkeeper Ra, had it contained and sealed away, perhaps to study as to better understand their foes.

>>46133128
>they are the planets

Does this mean that when the Titan awakens it inadvertently destroys all life on the planet?

>>46131041
DK:
Frost DK gets the reforged frostmourne, so they got the best deal of the 3.
Druid:
Definately Scythe of elune, finally we get to use it after .... 12 years of WoW.

Hunter:
Alleria's Bow is definately the best. at least they remember that arc.

Mage:
Arcane mage's staff is supposedly used by Aegwynn, while Frost mage's staff was used by the first guardian of Trisfal.
But Kael'thas's Blade is definitely the best.

Monk:
Brewmaster basically gets Jingu Bang and I would say its definitely the coolest.
and yes windwalker artifact story is stupid.

Priest:
all never came up before, discipline is the only one with a interesting storyline.

Rogue:
Assassination rogue gets Garona's dagger, which she used to kill King Llane in WC1.
The other 2 made on spot crap is not remotely as cool.

Shaman:
Doomhammer easily beat the other 2, although Claws of Ra-den is ok.

Warlock:
Destruction Warlock's Sceptre of Sargeras is the best.
It was used by the Avatar of Sargeras as he battled Aegwynn in Northend.
It was what Gul'dan died for.
It was whta Ner'zhul used to open the Dark Portal again and torn Draenor apart.
Very few artifact is as important as this one for Warcraft.

Warrior:
Why can't we get lothar's sword?
The only cool one is the Arms warrior artifact.

>>46130693
I like the idea of this AU, I think the primary difference would stem from Kel'Thuzad's reasoning for rebelling. Maybe he was just in it for the immortality, and took his first chance at free will when he saw it? A more evil leaning KT would probably work more subtly than Sylvanas. He did the whole Cult of the Damned thing in Lordaeron, he could do something similar in Gilneas. Even if he didn't necessarily want to stay in Garrosh's good graces, he probably wouldn't be so self centered as to blatantly piss his allies off without good reason.

>>46133209
That's a big ol' maybe.

It's entirely possible that things continue to live on said Titan... Or considering how the Pantheon feels, they'd just teleport all living things to another, soulless planet while getting acquainted with their new friend. Oh, I forgot one thing.

Sargeras began the Burning Legion by destroying the prison-world of Mardum, which filled him with fel energy from eons of their hatred and corruption. After finding out, the Pantheon intended to stop him, letting him know that there was hope in Azeroth- that this new Titan could stop the Void Gods.

Naturally, he responded by killing every last one of them because they wouldn't let his Burning Crusade continue, beginning with his lieutenant Aggramar.

Norgannon managed to evacuate their souls back to the Keepers on Azeroth, though none of the keepers understood what had happened except for Ra. Long story short, he went into a several-thousand-year depression after finding out the Pantheon was dead.

It's not established if the souls remain inert inside said keepers, or if they simply faded away into nothing after said keepers weren't aware of what was going on.

>>46133209
Think Galactus.

>>46133319
>pantheon ded

Damn, there goes that one dumb post-Sargeras raid idea I had.

>LF3M Left Foot of Aman'Thul

>>46133286

Doomhammer suffers a lot from being a big change in look to match up with the TWF Shaman.

I'm vaguely sad that the Doomhammer doesn't have a Warrior version. I mean...it's the Doomhammer, the weapon of one of the most notable warriors in the entire setting.

>>46133358
They changed doomhammer's setting too much around WoD and its now an obvious shaman weapon.

I am just pissed they don't give warrior something like Lothar's Sword (which people argued like mad about in BWL) or Trol'kalar.

>>46133407
About Trol'kalar...

Odds are that someone else is wielding it.

Thoras Trollbane is getting raised as a DK to be one of the new Four Horsemen.

The other confirmed one is General Nazgrim.

>>46132113
It takes elven grace to run around in stripper heels.

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>>46133441

Pretty sturdy for stripper heels to be honest.

>>46133319
>>46133128
so if all planets are titans. whats the fucking point of being a titan? floating around in the void doing nothing? what else exists in the universe other than planets to do stuff on?

>>46133440
>second spoiler

Aww fuck. Why him? Let the dude rest.

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>>46133407
>tell blizz about cool stuff you want
>get intentionally fucked over by given a bunch of no name dumb shit

seriously the warrior artifacts are the worst by a very large margin. whats the deal with that?

hell you could have even gotten gore-howl. or king varians swords. or cairnes polearm thing. or some leftover shard of sargeras sword when it shattered. or magnis hammers. or fucking anything at all

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>>46131564
>>46131596
>>46131465
Wanna try again?

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>>46133603
Because he fucked up his first go of it by thinking "muh honor" meant more than the lives of the innocents he ruined by serving orc-Hitler.

Maybe he can do something right for a change.

>>46133597
It's exceedingly rare that a Titan-soul forms. Like, to the point that the Titans have been searching for probably several hundred thousand years, minimum, and they found, uh... 9 of them (Aman'thul, Eonar, Sargeras, Khaz'goroth, Golganneth, Aggramar, Norgannon, unnamed nascent Titan that Sargeras destroyed, and Azeroth) possibly more that are either still forming or have been destroyed by Sargeras.

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>>46133709
>implying I didn't kill him

He ain't no brudda o' mine.
I mean, Nova is a bitch, but Spectres are some very literal homocidal psychopaths.

>>46133726
>selling out your bro to mengsk's goons
>not fighting for freedom

>>46133754
>>46133709
>being around blacks
>relaxing
>ever

really i would rather the option to kill them both since nova is a coal burning cunt and black guy is just an annoying black guy stinking up my ship with his nappy fucking hair

>>46133358
They could have also brought back 2handed Doomhammer and Windfury critfishing.

>>46133333
>>46133209
More like Unicron--style unfolding. You may still be able to live on their surface.

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>>46133754
>fight for freedom
>try and score with a hot chick

Mankind's eternal dilemma.

>>46133773
>hilariously over-the-top /pol/isms

>Look at me, ma! I'mma 4channer!

Go back to /pol/, you grade A, free range faggot.

>>46133754
When was he my bro, exactly? He wanted something and he was going to use Jim to get it.

Also, I just prefer Ghosts to Spectres, thematically. Mk.VI C-10 Rifles- oh, and they don't consume life-force for energy.

>>46133791
>"Doctor, is there any reason the new infiltration suits are so... form-fitting?"
>"Sir?"
>"Don't play dumb with me. Look at that."
>"Er... Besides the obvious, sir?"
>"... You're a credit to your team. My god, look at th-- Shit, she cloaked again."

>>46133793
i didnt mean to trigger you nigger. they are both bad characters. why are you attached to either of them? actually both of them have the defining trait of "im a back stabbing murder". really great people to have around

tychus was the actual friend of jimmy

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>>46133815
>tight suits
>even tighter groupings

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I noticed Azeroth has very few traveling minstrels.
Like... two or three, and two of them are draenei women with harps.

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>>46133791
>>46133815
>>46133862
i find it really annoying that you didnt just post the pic

>>46133672
Gorshalach will be a Sargeras drop or legendary quest thing, probably

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>>46133875
>>46133862
I'm assuming this is some kind of /k/ meme, 'cause I have no goddamn idea what you're rattling on about. Hell, the only reason I know what groupings are is because I just marathon'd Archer.

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>>46133898
Well you want your groupings to be tight, because it means your aim is true, even if the weapon's aim is all fucked up, so when your weapons aim isn't fucked, you'll be hitting what you're aiming at.

So lets say you're missing your target, but you're missing it the same way each time, then you'll know it's your weapon and be able to adjust for it.

And Rhodies wore really tight shorts.

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I am still pissed players can't get this hammer. Or the Twilight's hammer simple shield, or bow. or gun.

>>46133672
We already got gorehowl before so that model doesn't worth anything anymore.
And Varian have a chance of not actually being dead so that's out of the window.
Carine's bloodhoof spear was broken when he fought Garrosh and spear is actually hunter weapon.

They spread too many cool weapons to other clases so warrior had almost nothing to pick from.

Kargath's Blade fist w

>>46134266
>Carine's bloodhoof spear was broken when he fought Garrosh and spear is actually hunter weapon.
All weapons are hunter weapons.

>>46130693
>>46133316
Rather like this to be honest, hell I ahve about three or so hours form staying up through the night to waste so let's get into it.

Could the main motivation be set up that ol' KT did want to be immortal and just take the time to learn more about necromancy? I mean christ he's like the Anti-Jaina, a guy whose not wanting to be botehred with the concerns of the living so as to study more of teh forbiddon and arcane tomes of lore.

As for teh annexation for Gilneas? Two words, Mass. Teleport. Jaina could do that with a specilized strike team to insert into Undercity how easy and terrifying would it be if KT trained up some mages and had them just cause merry hell on Gilneas?

None of this plague shit either, I think the fact that Gilneans are able to wield natural druidic magic would intrigue the bugger that he would want the land unspoiled for testing, granted having actual help that listened to his damn orders might be hard, but I'm pretty sure he would be good about it.

Oh man, what would they even call his title? Slyvi has the Banshee Queen, would that make KT the Wizard King or something or a lich king? Since he's technically more a lich than arthas was.

>>46134275
Die you stupid vanilla hunter

>>46134306
>tfw you go into a dungeon and see an amazing cool one handed weapon perfect for your warrior.
>Click need.
>Two huntard click need as well.
>One gets it but doesn't equip it.
>Ask him why.
>"It'll be a super hype transmog weapon duuuuude."
Fucking hell

>>46134343
>hunter goes afk autoattacking during raid

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>>46134353
...With Growl on.

>>46134371
>>46134353
>Hunter goes on Autofollow during raid
>With Aspect of Pack on.

>>46134425
I had a hunter do that in a raid with raid-wide knockback as late as pandaria.

>>46134353
>Hunter right clicks the boss before the ready check.

>>46134492
> hunter does short cut drop but forgot to dismiss his pet

Hunters are the worst.
For a time I refused to team up with hunter.

>>46134425
christ that is the worst fucking thing in LFR.

>>46134561
>>46134486
On the Kor'kron mechascorpion.

>>46134535
I remember leveling my Marksmanship hunter without a pet, as a personal challenge. It was still easy, but at least I had to know how to kite to survive instead of hiding behind a bear.

Joined a few dungeons and it took forty levels for anyone to question my lack of pet.
>No pet?
>Nope!
>Okay then.
Still gives me a chuckle.

With Legion's marksmanship changes, I'm tempted to roll a dwarf hunter to revisit the classics. And an orc elemental shaman.

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>want to try global for once
>30th expansion
>blizzard makes new battle animations
>new models
>artifact weapons

and all this looks retarded because they can't be assed to add some weight to idle animations. It looks awful when a character holds a weapon that looks like it weighs 50kg with one hand perfectly parallel to the ground

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>>46130771
>bloodbleeder
There's no way to reduce the edge Demon Hunters have, so you must turn it up to the point it stops making sense.

>>46130771
Which server? If it's Gnomer that's my fault.

>>46131027
My sides.

>>46133209
Considering the Titans are described as having mountains and oceans on their skin, I think the planet just sort of...unfolds into a humanoid figure, and life keeps on as normal except you're now all living on a person-shaped planet that goes walking around the universe.

Considering the Azeroth-Titan is heavily hinted to be Elune (or rather, Elune is the soul of the still sleeping Titan), the next big war between Horde and Alliance will probably be about who gets to live on her boobs.

>>46132222
I wish, it would have been a nice ending, but they are brewing the Old/Void Gods Cthulhu story escalation.

>>46134277
Revision on the whole name for KT, how would Dark Lord work out? Near the same scheme, but it shows that KT is more likely to care for his tools than a king would whose way up there on the social scale. Didn't the whole cult of the damn start out with a bunch of peasents wanting to be of equal standing with other people and not be so peasent like?

>>46134687
Have you seen the strength stat capped characters have, even after the stat squish?

A level 100 mage has more strength than five level 1 warriors combined.

Characters can swing Armageddon around like it's nothing.

What do people think about the theory in this vid from about 6:50 onwards
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY3q8ACNyAY

I actaully really dig it

>>46135230
Post the theory, don't troll for hits.

>>46135271
It's not even my vid m8, it's been around for ages
Just found it when digging for AQ/Old God lore

>>46134921
>on
>not between

>>46133008
So were Thrall, Arthas, Deathwing, and that one random druid who carried the Scythe of Elune. That didn't stop Blizzard from creating artifacts out of their gear.

>ctrl+f dragon (male)
>no results

Looks like the mad memer finally fucked off.

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>>46135653
at least it's not barneyfag from /v/

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Why do warcraft elves dislike shoes? And pants?

>>46136509
They are just mutated trolls and trolls don't wear shoes or pants.

>>46132222
I actually think they're almost planning an upcoming old gods thing with Hearthstone getting an old gods based expansion, with the recent thing where if you get to level 20 you get a free hero in HS, it'd be a good way to rope HS players in.

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>>46136540
>trolls don't wear pants

>>46136607

Well some trolls don't

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>>46136570
That promotion, god damn...
>Notice promotion, decide to finally get that panda resto shaman to 20 (from 18)
>Party has a belf paladin tank that has no idea where to go, won't look at a map or listen to directions.
>Troll balance druid keeps swapping to cat and bear forms constantly.
>Belf warlock has a voidwalker out that keeps taunting. Walked straight off a cliff.
>Belf arms warrior keeps trying to tank, too, and is very bad at it.
Keeping those chucklefucks alive really tested my patience.

>>46136648

I'm not a furry but pandaren women are something special.

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It's funny how in blood elf society, being a mage is like being a doctor: it's "expected" of you to be considered successful.

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>>46136607

>>46136796
>GREENED.com

>>46136780

>Dad, I'm not going to be a mage, I'm going to be a warrior.

Yeah, that's probably cause for either mockery or getting tossed out of the house.

>>46136829
It's why the hunter society in Silvermoon (Farstriders, I think) is generally mocked by the public, despite their necessary contributions to elven livelihood and the fact that some of the strongest and most famous elves ever were archers.

>>46136866

Being a paladin or ranger is probably still a somewhat better and more prestigious career choice for a belf than say warrior, rogue or priest.

DA ELVES AND DERE "ALLIANCE" CAME TO DRIVE US OUT

>>46130771
.FukboiMcSwankers
male belf

>>46136866

If they were a REAL Blood Elf they'd learn to be a mage and an archer!

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>Nobody proposing the name Illidandy
If there's one thing those horns are good for, it's providing support for a dandy pompadour.

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>>46133709
>>46133726
Here, lemme help you.

>>46136960
>If there's one thing those horns are good for
Are you sure you don't mean handlebars?

>>46133581
Those are just boots

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>>46136976
truly the best character

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>>46132225
It's just the lighting that gives her man face.
This is her actual face.

It looks pretty lotr elf, desu (besides the ears and brows).

>>46134277
His title would probably be the same- Archlich or Lich Lord.

I mean the man never changed his name when he became a lich, I doubt he cares wat people call him as long as its suitably intimidating

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Night elf ears are the best thing.

>>46137060
>desu
I forgot about these FUCKING word filters.

That desu is a "to be honest".

>>46137094
You could put out an eye with those things.

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>>46133581

>>46131350
>>Warlock
>Scythe is wicked. Skull is great. Don't remember/care about the last one.

It's the Scepter of Sargeras and clearly the best and most important one you massive pleb.

>>46131041

My general response is 'So many of these feel like a bad plan to be using'

That and 'Will everyone stop just grabbing Sargeras' shit?'

>>46137247
Ironically during a full on Legion invasion, demon shit is probably the safest of the insane artifacts to be using. The worst thing they could possibly cause is a Legion invasion, and that shit's already happening.

>>46137275

Clearly he's invading to GET ALL HIS SHIT BACK.

>>46136796
Either that elf has harcore sideburns, or his jawline is all fucked up.

>>46130771
Amikooljet the Nightelf
Serphphiroth the Bloodelf
Preparednow
Iwantkatanas
Fackboi
Edgetron

>>46137292
I can see it now
>Legion rampaging practically unchecked across Azeroth
>Destroying ancient citadels and taking artifacts of great demonic power
>The races of Azeroth desperately trying and failing to stop the legion from gathering Sargeras' artifacts, fearing what they could do when combined
>As the last one is gathered by the legion a booming, demonic voice declares
>FUCKING FINALLY. THIS SHOULD TEACH YOU BETTER THAN TO TAKE WHAT ISN'T YOURS, YOU THIEVING LITTLE SHITS.
>The Legion packs up and goes home, leaving Azeroth in ruins and everyone extremely confused.

Did we ever find out what that spooky-ass fairy dragon and mushrooms ring in Tirisfal was? I flew over there a long time ago and noped the fuck out.

>>46137366
Tyr's tomb.

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>>46137292
>>46137348

>>46130771
Belua, for a female nelf. Tank spec, because I love dodge tanks. And I'll be RPing her as anti-edge as possible.
>Never regret becoming a demon hunter.
>Never lament that she'll be ostracized like a warlock.
>Just smile every day, knowing she's doing exactly what she wanted to do with her life: Stabbing demons and protecting Azeroth.
Only downside is that Vengeance's resource is 'Pain', so I'll probably have to put up with being accused of being a masochist.

I'm still so glad I worked up the nerve to try tanking and healing, because I love both. Though I still love playing DPS, too.

>>46136648
Eh, if there's a better place to learn tanking than low-level dungeons, I haven't heard of it.

>>46137645
The paladin's tanking was fine. It was the rest of their behavior that was awful.

Though the other three constantly trying to tank was a serious issue. They though they could handle it. They couldn't. Meant I had to spam heal to the point where I started pulling aggro off all of them just trying to keep them alive.

Though it was Wailing Caverns, and they did all run off ahead during the escort Muyoh portion. Nothing quite like having to fight off a bunch of mobs solo, even after I told them to stick with the cow. But I had full heirlooms, so at least I could handle it.

So I'm trying to set up a campaign in 4th edition and I have no idea how to represent arcane torrent / mana tap in a system that doesn't have mana points or silence status effects.

>>46138347
all enemies with in 10 feet cannot cast a spell on their next turn, refresh a spent spell slot for every enemy hit starting with lowest level spell slot and moving up, can only be used once per long rest.

something like that, how many spell slots you regain might need balancing 4e uses spell slots right? I'm working off 5e knowledge

>>46138347
Silence would be forcing the victim to only use it's basic attack powers (and powers that can be used in place of basic attack)
It would be quite obscene in 4e

>>46138455
They are entirely different games.

>>46138556
I was thinking of massively downgrading it to just like, -1 to hit for enemies within 2 squares, then +1 to hit until the end of your next turn.

Loses a lot of the flavor, but at least it's still in the same vein: Make your enemies worse while making yourself better.

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>>46136780

So, what's a warlock to BE society? They are a respected choice for the power-hungry.

>>46138591
Maybe.
Or give you a higher bonus if they used an at-will, an encounter, or a daily.

And there's probably a power that does limit an enemy to only basic attacks until they end of their next turn if you looked for it, that you could base it on.

Please describe a typical, small Troll village.

>>46138556
>They are entirely different games.
I figured, but thought I'd help anyway, oh well

>>46138689
Lots of trolls.

>>46138689
Look at old Sen'jin Village. If they're jungle trolls, there's lots of elevated wooden huts.

>>46138720
He said small village, and I can't imagine them living very densely, so you're actually wrong.

>>46138763
Forest trolls seem to live inside massive hollowed out logs, judging by WC2 and 3.

>>46137065
Fair, that being said I wonder if KT's delegation when meeting with the new horde was simply a letter that went; Hey, you're nervous about the alliance, I'M nervous of the alliance too, guess what you help me I'll help you.

Or something, I just feel like he would be more along the lines of super pratical with a touch of brash that just meant he had the biggest pair of brass knuckes ever.

>>46136780
its funny that blood elf racials dont even make for good mages you mean

>>46138628
Not as crucial, since they got the Sunwell back and are probably trying to kick the demon habit. Still, there ought to be plenty of warlocks. I mean, look at the tailor in Silvermoon: she's got a succubus working a sweatshop in the basement.

>>46137060
>It's just the lighting that gives her man face.

fucking kek man youre acting like this is real life. that cinematic isnt some video shot out in the real world. everyone looks the way they do because that is how they intended them to look. its all cg

King Slyvanas is here to stay to fight the patriarchy

>>46137428
you sound like a faggot

>>46138689
This did not go well.

>>46138591
>>46138347

Make it an immediate interrupt power. So you are doing silence like you do to bosses. To interrupt rather than lock people down.

Picking out what it can stop could be a bit tricky though as most enemies don't have encounter/daily powers OR a listing as 'Arcane' or such. So I'd be more likely to make it a general purpose NAD boost. As spells almost never touch AC and most weapon attacks hit AC.

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>>46136960
>Illidandy

absolutely perfect for blood elf male. thank you anon. name is reserved

>>46138828
Possibly something like 'Hey, remember that time I created a cult and ostensibly took over Lordaron? Are you intrested in establishing a foothold in the eastern kingdoms? If yes, please let me join because the alliance hates my misty guts"
Bar that -"Do you like me? :3 check yes or no"

>>46139429
...Yeah I could see that, maybe even a little box included that say something about creating a place for misfits to live after terrible betrayl or something, speaking of which what would be the moment when KT has had enough with the Scourge?

>>46139003
Actually, the way they film cinematics is very similar to how you film in the real world. They literally add in the models, the animations, and the light sources. Then they place virtual cameras and film in the virtual environment. That face model of sylvanas is actually how she looks.

Bruh, to you even cgi?

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>>46138980
What about pre-'we were good all along' blood elves. Warlocks are lawyers if magi are doctors? Or investment bankers?

>>46139903
Don't feed the trolls, anon.

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>>46139903
>>46139946

no i understand but its like saying someone on the cover of glamour magazine looks that way "because of lighting".

yes at some point it was a real person sitting in front of a real camera with real lights. but it has been processed so heavily you are left only with what they intend to show

if you dont know its apparently a thing that blizzard thought that slyvanas was too sexy so they actively made her uglier

its not an accident shes ugly in the cinematic, its working as intended

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>>46139946
I can't help it. He's objectively wrong and it's maddening!

>>46139961
>if you dont know its apparently a thing that blizzard thought that slyvanas was too sexy so they actively made her uglier
Source?

>>46130662
Yeah, there's a huge lack of content for something like Warcraft
I expected Warcraft 3 setting to be their Horus heresy

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>>46140114
>"We've heard our female employees," he said. "And my daughter tools me out about it. She saw a World of Warcraft cinematic of the Dragon Aspects, and my daughter was like, 'Why are they all in swimsuits?' And I was like, 'I don't know. I don't know anymore.'" - Chris Metzen

as with most things its a combination of women ruining literally everything and metzen

>>46140033
its fine if you dont think shes ugly. its a shit opinion though and you still have to accept the fact that they literally intended to make her uglier

>>46140224
>And I was like, 'I don't know. I don't know anymore.'

Yes you do Metzen.

>>46140224
>as with most things its a combination of women ruining literally everything and metzen
How do women ruin literally everything?

>>46139480
When he found out Arthas was allergic to cats. More likely in this AU Kel'Thuzad values the members of the cult of the damned and the LK doesn't, there might be a disagreement involving their quest for immortality vs their expendability as agents of the scourge. You can't make KT too good natured, but giving him a soft spot for his Cult of the Damned would mirror Sylvanas's original soft spot for Quel'Thalas before she went full saturday morning cartoon villain.

>>46140224

Well, the swimsuit thing IS kinda stupid. I think people have been bitching about that for a long, long time. Especially when it comes to characters like Sylvanas or the head of the Red Dragons.

On the other hand: You know exactly why they are in swimsuits Metzen.

>>46140276
Their inferior minds.

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>>46140299
It's interesting how Azeroth's closest equivalent to a fertility goddess is portrayed in a cloaked bikini in her humanoid form.

>>46140297
And LK did have the BRILLIANT plan of letting a bunch of heroes slaughter his minions (who Kel likely had a hand in raising) so he could have a -chance- at getting better minions.

That would probably seem really wasteful to Kel'Thuzad. Kel did oversee feeding zombies that were too weak to fight to a giant zombie dog, but at least that has a direct effect of converting non-viable troops into a raid boss.

>>46140310
How are their minds inferior?

>>46140224
>its fine if you dont think shes ugly. its a shit opinion though and you still have to accept the fact that they literally intended to make her uglier
I think what anon meant was that you are objectively wrong about how cgi works.

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>>46140448
For fuck's sake anon, ignore trolls!

>>46140276
Political correctness on forcing every media to show women to be equal or superior to men.

>>46140448
They cannot think very logically.

>>46140509
How can they not think very logically?

>>46140369
Fertility goddess are generally sluts in mythology anyway.

Freya would sleet with absolutely anybody.

>>46140533
Genetics.

>>46140467
well im not objectively wrong so i guess that settles that

do you think things like lighting cant be changed in post processing or something?

do you think someone like blizzard doesnt know how to make a fucking cinematic the way they want it to?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COk_o_1JcVo

>>46130693
Well first, Kel'thuzad is a much calmer and analytical mind than Sylvanas, who was a hothead in life as undeath and on top of that a bitter bitch hellbent on making a statement with her actions. He would try to be precise and cautious with his resources.

So Kel'Thuzad would definitely absorb his Cult of the Damned into the Forsaken's ranks and attempt to build up sleeper cells throughout Gilneas as opposed to Sylvanas going on a full offensive.

>>46133316
In the patch trailer that announces Naxxramas back in vanilla, they show kel'Thuzad already wavering in his dedication to the Lich King. In an AU where Kel'Thuzad didn't serve out of dedication, which is the prerequisite for him defecting in the first place, it would probably be only the mind control that kept him in line.

When he finally is allowed to break off the scourge, he'd already have a sizeable force of spies and sleeper agents all across Lordaero, which make it all the easier to claim the Undercity together with the free undead. Which would probably lead to the first major difference: Kel'Thuzad doesn't need Varimathras, so the dreadlord gets the axe after being defeated.

It would also probably lead to never working with Garithos, because Garry knows that the fall of Lordaeron is largely on Kelly's hands and wouldn't work with him even if he'd got a boney reacharound, so Garithos presumably survives a little longer and continues the war against Scourge and now Forsaken.

>>46138828
Bringing Kelly into the Horde will require an even bigger asspull than Sylvanas.
He is would definitely be an extremely powerful ally because, next to his absurd magical powerlevel, he's also got a vast sleeper network of what boils down to religious extremists. But he's also got enormeous moral baggage, even more than Sylvanas at that point, and not even the Tauren who were crucial in accepting the Forsaken in the canon would judge him "redeemable", possibly viewing him far too gone.

>>46140543
I'm fine with Alexstrasza doing it, but I want to know why Ysera is dressed the same. I know the answer is because she's just a palette swap.

No wonder they're making Ysera another insane raid boss: They never DID anything with her, so she was always the boring copy of Alex.

>>46140560
How can they not genetics?

>>46140663
They can, just badly.

>>46140578
>Tries to argue cgi
>posts a pic of photoshop editing for proof.
'Kay.

Go to art school, nerd.

>>46140299
>>46140369
Alextraza running around half-naked does sort of make sense since she's the Dragon Aspect associated with life and fertility (although if they were going for a "fertility goddess" look it'd be more thematic if she was pregnant and had huge child-brearing hips or something, rather than just being bikini-clad elf with horns), but there really isn't any lore reason for the Banshee Queen to be running around in what looks like a "slutty elf" halloween costume.

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>>46140640
Ysera wore pants and was modeled on a night elf.

>>46140680
How can they genetics badly?

>>46140616
Hrm, maybe there might be a way to get it to work if KT pulled a huge show of turning a leaf, maybe working to help the Tuaren with their crops or the orcs with it at least, I mean after all the plague required a bunch of SCIENCE and MAGIC to pull off didn't it? Wouldn't needing to learn how to grow crops be easier then?

>>46140640
Wasn't both of their cloth just reusing Sylvanas's cloth material?

>>46140704
They're women

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>>46140543

Rude.

>>46140700
Not everyman have the guts to have sex with pregnant women.
Fertility Godess are generally beautiful and easy to fuck, and doesn't stay in pregnant state as it scares people off.

She wear her old Ranger General gear.
Elves are sluts.
See? very easy to understand.

>>46140685
are you really trying this fucking hard guy? it was just a random video. sorry youre trying to put your worthless art degree to use but cgi has post processing. this is what the argument is about. so unless you think cgi doesnt involve post processing shut the fuck up you retarded nigger

>>46130598
Where's Warcraft lore heading after wow's clusterfuck of expansions and forced lore?

>>46140702
PROBLEMATIC

DELETE THIS

USE TRIGGER WARRING AND SPOIL YOUR PIC NEXT TIME SHITLORD

IM WRITING AN ANGRY LETTER TO BLIZZARD AS WE SPEAK

>>46140785
>your worthless art degree
The joke's on you! I don't even have an art degree!
I'm a software engineer, neerrrrrrrrrrd!

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>>46140712

They just reskinned Sylvanas for both of them, and Sylvanas just used the blood elf skeleton/animations. They didn't even change the fucking textures on the armor to have different designs. Exact same swirls, exact same everything- just palette swapped, and changing the leather pants to skin for Alex.

>>46140792
We don't know, go ask Blizzard. They're in charge of it.

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>>46140809

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>>46140845
>>46140770
>She wear her old Ranger General gear.
Related: Living Sylvanas.

>>46140869
WRONG SIDE OF HISTORY

>>46140845
>tfw you're the only person who remembers when vanilla-early TBC Sylvanas was a reskinned night elf

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>>46140941

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>>46140869
Sylvanas is a hot baabhabhia

>>46140982
2 da best

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>>46140982

HAHAHAHA. Was that really her original model?

Dear god!

>>46141056
in vanilla every high elf was a bleached night elf wearing a shit ton of clothes so it was hard to tell

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>>46140884
and then!

>>46140702
She still has the same basic "skeleton". A lot of models in WoW do that; you have a bunch of creatures that do look different but still have the same animations and same basic shape. As such while they could give Ysera pants and purple skin they probably couldn't alter her basic body shape or style of clothign too much or it'd messed up the animations. So she's still extremely similar to Alex.

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>>46141107
>that depiction of Alleria
Blaspheme

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>>46141107
>Arthas
>On my way to fuck your Sunwell

>>46141166
>artists that actually add ear holes in the hood instead of making them clip through like Blizzard does
muh dik

>>46139909
Loan sharks.
You better pay then on time, of they'll take your soul. And the souls of your children.

>>46141056

You're right, slutvanas is just so much better.

Real talk, though, ALL the old models were hilarious.

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>>46141096
They had their own distinct look. It was just terrible.

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>>46141245
Woo, that's rough.

>>46140982
It's number 2 I had actually completely forgotten about. I remember the first one, which she had untill some point in TBC, and how shitty it looked (they didn't even bother to hide the fact that she's clearly a night elf with slightly paler, but still purple, skin), and the 3rd model is the one she's had since Wrath, but I forgot that for a time in TBC her model was a blood elf with different eye colour.

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>>46141241
Let's not even talk about the changes Anduin went through.

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>>46141297
I believe you can still find some in the Blasted Lands to this day.

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>>46141056
Yes and if you watched her long enough, she'd do the night elf bounce passive animation.

>>46130849
Is that a kroot hound?

>>46141397
Nah, they replaced all the old models with blue-eyed blood elf reskins.

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>>46141056
>>46141400
And this is what the high elf models looked like in Vanilla.
It's for the best they used a night elf for Sylvie.

>>46141427
Oops missed the earlier posts.

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>>46137060
>>46140869
>>46140884
>>46140982
>>46141400
I'm not gonna lie. I think Sylvanas was my first waifu.

>>46141419
I had thought so, but I think there's still some hanging around some warlock den somewhere.

>>46141400
Now that is cool as hell. It would be baller if she looked and sat in a throne like on the pic

>>46141489
Then everyone would be standing in front of her to try to angle their camera to see up her skirt.

>>46141501
and what's the problem with that?

>>46141510
They'd be in MY way.

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>>46141342
We all know what should have happened to make him a better character though

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Jaina vs Sylvanas showdown when?

>>46141553
Who would win, /tg/?

>>46141587
Well Jaina looks like she has the advantage right now

>>46141587
My dick.

>>46141166
Alleria has naturey green eyes though.

>>46140706
I don't think the Tauren would want help from an arcanist necromancer in managing their crop growth. Arcanists force the natural world and bend reality to an extend according to their will, which goes against the Tauren mindset that nature must be asked to help the caster, hence their druidist religion.

The orcs would have even more beef with Kelly, because he's actively dabbled with demon magic in summoning Archimonde, plus Jaina probably hates his guts and Thrall wouldn't want to upset his sister-standin, but they would probably view reverse-engineered necromancy-healing as a necessary evil to quickly get their warriors going, again.

KT's strongest argument is the fact that he has an extremely powerful military presence against the alliance due to sheer numbers, but is also capable to claim strategic assets without much damage due his cult agents subverting the enemy military from within.

This however leads to the question if AU Horde would even be in a cold war situation with the alliance, at large, or if they focused entirely on Kalimdor.

>>46141587
Probably the one that still has the focusing Iris. Worst comes to worst she could drown undercity even more easily than Orgrimmar, what with it being underground and all.

>>46141616
Seconded

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>>46141587
Isn't it obvious ?
We would.

>>46141648
well jaina has the thunderkings power in her staff

>>46141669
So yeah, she'd absolutely tear shit up if it came down to a fight between the two.

>>46141665
>Jaina lapping up all sorts of maggots and diseases
>pussy probably chilly as fuck too

Get this degeneracy out of here.

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how powerful is this faggot again? in wc3 heroes were just slightly more powerful units with utility spells but wow raised the bar. What has he done that would make him relevant?

>>46141587
Power-levels-wise, Jaina would blast Sylvanas into giblets so fine that even the val'kyr couldn't rez her. As >>46141669 said, she's got the power of the Thunder-King (and a portion of Ra-Den's, as a result) in the Staff of Antonidas. That, and she can freeze just about anybody, including the goddamn Lich King.

However, due to it likely being written by Kosak, Sylvanas would somehow dodge all of Jaina's spells and shoot her in the heart with a black arrow. All the while, Jaina would be screaming epithets about the Horde to paint her as a lunatic that wants to murder orc babies.

If you're talking about a sexy encounter, Sylvanas would win because she's the bigger slut with much more experience.

>>46141735
WoW power levels are like DBZ power levels after the Namek arc.
They don't make any sense and change depending on how the author is feeling that day.

>>46141735
You should read Shadows of the Horde. It's about Vol'jin, Chen, and an Alliance OC named Tyrathan Khort. Broest of bros, those three. Vol'jin does a lot of good shit in that book. Kind of a shame they dropped the ball with him when they made him Warchief.

>>46141735
Pretty powerful, as he has a great deal of favor from the Loa, to the point that he (slowly) regenerated from a poisoned wound specifically meant to stop trollish regeneration. However, he lacks the shock-and-awe power of most magic users, but Shadow Hunters are basically the apex predator of troll society, and he's one of the most powerful of their kind.

>>46141537
Princess Anduin looks too cute for this world...

>>46141802
i thought that he was a leader of some small troll tribe and meh in power
guess i have to read some books

>>46139480
I can think of a few
>Arthas kills his cat
>Arthas has doesn't shut up about that time he killed KT with a hammer
>LK withholds knowledge
>KT sees better opportunity to conduct reaserch/do lich things with no oversight

>>46140616
He would have to appeal to the pragmatic. "Look at all the untapped resources the horde can benefit from" ect. Much of KT's talent lies in rhetoric, I'm sure he would have sold it

I would actually be interested if he somehow deposes Sylvania as a faction leader in legion . After all, second gen forsaken are not affiliated with the old scourge. Additionally having him around as an ambassador in legion maybe could allow him to subvert, I mean, familiarize himself with the leadership

>>46141636
Mm remind me again, but when you had the AU horde set up shop on Kalimdor, wouldn't the Eastern Kingdoms have wanted to hunt them down? I mean hell KT could have done the New Horde a solid and kept the majority of Dalarn Proodmoores forces on Kul Turas so that the orc aren't hit with the full force of their naval might
That might actually help to earn KT to Thrall's good graces.

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>>46141397
>>46141419
>>46141488
Yes, here we go. The mob that Blizzard forgot.

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>>46141823
And she has such a great girl friend!

>>46141855
Yeah, the Darkspears are a very small troll tribe, but Vol'jin and his ilk are no joke. You don't see any Gurubashi PCs or Drakkari PCs, do you?

>>46141665
sauce.

>>46141926
Wrath would murder the motherfucker who made this!

>>46141636
>KT's strongest argument is the fact that he has an extremely powerful military presence against the alliance due to sheer numbers

It makes zero fucking sense for the Horde to ally with KT OR the current Forsaken anyway.
If a strong undead presence sits in Lordaeron, it's only good for the Horde. That way, the Alliance can't just suddenly decide to go to Kalimdor and push their shit in, becose it's occupied with reclaiming Lordaeron. The Horde getting involved in that shit when they are already fucked up and nearing extinction as is is fucking stupid.

Horde should have been Orcs, Trolls, Tauren, Ogres and sitting on Kalimdor only, Alliance should have been Humans, Dwarves, Gnomes and High Elves, sitting on Azeroth.
If you absolutely NEED to involve Night Elves, give them to the Horde. It's still dumb but leagues better than the fucking Alliance.

>>46133128
To be honest, Y'shaarj was the first one to die, because he was the biggest. Not because he was the most dangerous, that one was good ol' Yoggy.

>>46141884
The only ones having any beef with the orcs on Kalimdor so big that it has more importance than fending off the undead right at their doorstep would be Kul'Tiras. Their regent was killed in action by the Horde, and even though their retaliation was legitimate, it's a stain on their honour.

Apart from that, Kul'Tiras is sufficiently far away from Lordaeron's shores and they probably have very strict rules of import. So they are not in the same immediate danger as the other human kingdoms.

However it is still just one kingdom's military force, and they don't even have a solid foothold apart from Theramore, but Jaina has officially declared neutrality. So Kul'Tiras arrives on a distant continent with no infrastructure to their benefit and completely outnumbered, because it apparently is easy as shit to rally Tauren, ogres and trolls as auxiliaries for the orcish warriors.

Dalaran isn't even a threat. Ignoring WoW-lore, they all abandoned their citystate and fled to the neighbouring kingdoms that would take them, so mostly Stromgarde. Incorporating WoW-lore, they're so focused on surviving under their magical dome and trying to rebuild while surrounded by hordes of undead that mustering a military force and send it to a whole other continent is the very bottom of their priorities.

>>46141882
That's probably Kelly's biggest chance to receive horde auxilieres.

>>46133198
Oh yeah, and they knew that the heart was corruptive. It was kept, rather than destroyed, so they could study old gods, and find a way to fight them. It was completely intentional, but the sha wasnt.

>>46142236
Nah, Y'shaarj was the most powerful.

>>46141342
Anduin's Legion concept art looks great. But the model is... god awful does not begin to describe it.

I'm hoping really, really hard that's just a thrown together placeholder skin and he won't look shit in live. But that chin, my god, no!

guys, what if the Cenarion Refuge is the remnants of Maiev's base camp in Outland and the ancient of war they have was the only survivor and spent 5 years waiting for someone to come find him

>>46141665
SOURCE YOU FAG