/f1/ Formula 1 General - China GP this week

First for Gio blowing Wehrlein the fuck out again

>>75018537
Yeah, that's kind of the point.

Ferrari never work with two #1 drivers. Maranello would implode.

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Threadly reminder

>>75018549
Italy you had one job

you can't even make a thread edition dedicated to your own country's best driver

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>>75018580
It is equally necessary to add:

*dabs*

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no homo
but damn

>>75018566
fpbp

Can't wait for next race DESU!

>>75018426

>Implying he doesn't like not risking his life and still getting the bucks considering his carreer is fucked howeve

>>75018436

Probably because she wants his chocovanilla cock

>>75018468

That's what I really hope but maybe Merc actually believes in him

>>75018511

This gave me a proper erection, thx

>>75018607

>no homo
>ogling pics of shirtless men
pic one

>>75018607
When will they learn?

>"my ROC crash wasn't a big deal, I'm fine, I'll probably race tomorrow with Vettel!"
>"Ok I'll step down from the nation's race to ensure I am fit for pre-season testing, don't want to take unncessary risks hehe"
>"I will for sure be doing the pre-season testing"
>"I will for sure do like 3 days of pre-season testing"
>"I will for sure be on the grid in Australia, fit and ready!"
>"I will for sure get a feel for the car on Friday"
>"Ok I will step down, and let a more fit driver do the race, this is simply a contingency decision for the benefit of the team, n-nothing more hehe!"
>"I will for sure be on the grid in China"
>"I will for sure be on the grid in Bahrain, 1 week later, 1 week of training more will make all the difference, its not like I am a professional athlete and racing driver with a very solid physical starting point to endure high G loads and whatever else racing-related stress"
>"I will for sure be on the grid in Russia"
>"I will for sure continue to be Sauber's no. 1 driver"
>"I will for sure not be replaced by Giovinazzi fro the entire season"
>"I will for sure be on the grid in 2018"
>"I will for sure continue to have a F1 career"
>"I will for sure not be dropped by the Merc Junior Programme"
>"Race of Champions was 100% worth it"

>>75018621
>masculinity this fragile

>>75018587

Sorry Mika, I got the thread ready for a while and forgot to change the edition

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Is Daniil trying to mentally destroy Lewis?

The absolute mad man.

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>yfw the Nazi wins da champions hip with Ferrari

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>>75018627
Delete this!

>>75018627
based timeline

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The PINNACLE of engineering

>>75018649
I wonder if loowis even knows he exists.

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>you are now aware that because Stroll Sr. l (born Lawrence Sheldon Strulovitch) pumped so much money into Prema to ensure his son will win F4 and F3, they were able to not only expand to GP2 with a brutal budget, but also take in Giovinazzi for the sole reason that he is Italian even though he brought >nomoney except for some chicken buckaroonis, which then resulted in Giovinazzi driving well in a car that over-inflates or at least accentuates his skill because of the massive resource and personnel advantage Prema has, against a chokelord teammate, which then caught the attention of F1 and the media, resulting in Giovinazzi getting not only Ferrari backing, but also an out-of-the-blue opportunity to make his F1 debut and impress enough in the process to basically guarantee himself a full-time drive in the future

Thanks based LARRY

>>75018734
which circuits are 3, 4 and 6?

>>75018760
3 and 6 are Chang International in Thailand and 4 is Buddh

>>75018734

I don't get the point of this, the racing line is still the same and the ultra wide entry just makes going side by side into the narrower section more awkward.

It also visually just looks so much less impressive when the entry to a corner is a carpark. Going side by side on a "narrow" track with grass on both sides is so much more awesome looking and also riskier obviously.

These bloated rectum corner entries are so disgusting

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>>75018772
thanks here's another, dumping a few more

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>>75018810

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>>75018822

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The absolute madman

>DAE hate le Tilke?

[autistic screeching intensifies]

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>>75018844

>>75018873
he gets unnecessary hate (Malaysia, Bahrain are good; Hockenheim is free from his meme hairpins) but then he goes and does stupid shit like this

>>75018844
>>75018822
>>75018810
Retard here. Explain me the Tilke meme please. I understand the run-off and no gravel, but the hairpin no.

>>75018863
Wew, those rear wings look retarded as fuck

>>75018892
Possibly the single worst corner(s) on the calendar.

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>>75018892

>>75018909
He makes the corners wider on the entry or exit, sometimes both, or mid corner for no discernible reason except "there's not enough overtaking opportunities on this circuit I've designed, instead of comprehensively studying how best to improve this weakness I'm going to use a stopgap solution of making the track wider so it can fit more cars side by side lol"

It's become a signature of his circuits and reeks of laziness, and doesn't even seem to improve overtaking. Sometimes it does work though, e.g. Bahrain turn 4 ( >>75018844 ) but it's still a meme corner

>>75018863

Actually pretty much triggered by Kimi going wide and then coming back towards the racing line. Kvyat was opportunistic but I think it was pretty clear Vettel was blaming him just because he didn't want to blame himself or Kimi for the collision between the two teammates. Collision could have happened regardless of Kvyat, depending on how Vettel would have reacted. I put most of the blame on GIMI though lol, not exactly top-tier spatial awareness

>>75018945

Should also note that the few Tilke designs that don't include the Tilke hairpin are typically excessively wide (IE Yas Marina)

>>75018863
Does Vettel not realize you have to leave space for a car that's half-length close to you baka

>>75018892

Yeah that chicane exists just because the cars would otherwise be arriving to the hairpin at like 320 kmh and there's not enough FIA-approved space there for runoff for such speeds, and behind the grandstands there is the Ferrari world building so...

I mean they should have figured this shit out BEFORE they built the track but for once I somewhat agree with having a chicane there for safety reasons.

Abu Dhabi overall could be made into a fantastic circuit with a few small tweaks, especially of the low speed corners. Unfortunately none of these tweaks are actually possible IRL because of the way the track and it's surroundings and lack of space for runoff is designed

>>75018945
Thanks. Now I understand. Anyway, it seems like Tilke has good intentiones, but bad execution, no?

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>>75018959
Kimi is partially at fault but I blame Vettel more, he's the car behind. Kvyat obviously caused Vettel to stay out wide more but Vettel completely overreacted and Kblyat did nothing wrong

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>>75018844
Better than v1

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lol

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>>75018909
>>75018945
He also likes to make corner radii as narrow/sharp as possible, instead of rounding the corner out, effectively rendering the track as a "point and squirt"—brake to a very low speed, get off the throttle completely, wait an age as you turn into the slow, slow speed corner, wait another age after you pass the apex and then finally get on the power—one which requires little driver skill except being able to minimise oversteer on corner exit as you floor the throttle.

>>75018969
Sepang is comically wide, something like 22 metres, and I don't know why at all. Not to say it's a bad circuit; it's fairly underrated

>>75019018
In fairness he is restricted by the landowner/promoter's wishes as a lot of the time they have a vision they're stubbornly unwilling to compromise on.

>tfw actually enjoy quite a few of Tilke's designs

The guy is not a retard and is also a racer himself, it's not like he doesn't know what his tracks are like. I'm sure the FIA aren't the easiest people to work with and getting something approved by their autismo safety standards probably isn't the most fun work you can do.

>Red Bull/A1 Ring - not as good as the original but not a bad circuit at all
>Hockenheim - original was iconic but if you ignore the original and consider this new track in itself, it's not that bad
>Malaysia - just a good, if not great circuit IMO, great mix of technicality and high speed
>Istanbul Park - GOAT except for maybe the very final corners and the fact that the whole track looks like shit
>Bahrain - just a great track IMO
>Singapore - good considering the limitations, dunno how much of this was completely Tilke's though
>Korea/India - both passable tracks with a few good sectors, ruined by the way they looked and various other things, fun to drive in >games
>Baku - interesting Macau-lite street circuit. I'd give it another chance with F1 before writing it off completely

Tracks like Shanghai, Abu Dhabi and Sochi can fuck right off though

>Almost as weird was Kaltenborn being 'surprised' by Giovinazzi's performance? Does she not peek out of the motor-home when GP2 is on??

Kek, Tiff Needell is so based.

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>>75019012
>>75018892

I have revised this corner to maximize overtaking opportunities and improve safety standards to allow Yas Marina to obtain FIA AAA+ runoff rating

>>75019155

So fucking halal bro

Just make sure the track turns left and utilizes those small unused track sections.

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here's a twofer

>>75019050
holy shit LOL

it looks like he gave up halfway through designing that

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>>75019132
Motorland is pretty good also, WEC teams use it all the time for testing

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L-lewd

>>75019210
This track pretty great. I hate it, because on MotoGP13, I kept going over the handlebars because of the elevation changes mid-corner, but it's an interesting track.

>>75019197
Barcelona chicane always bothered be because of sheer laziness.

Would've been much cooler if they went around the penultimate bend and then had to enter the chicane immediately after.

>>75019197

No corner will ever trigger me as much as the Barcelona chicane

There's like at least 5 better ways to make that corner more bearable whilst still achieving the goal of slowing the cars down for the final corner

I don't really get why the Barcelona final corner is such a big safety concern unless its spicbike. People have gone straight at 130R, Magnussen crashed hard at Eau Rouge, Blanchimont is a corner that exists and no one complains.

>>75018627
that's almost as dumb as getting your hand grinded in a shitty local italian rally

>>75019287
>I don't really get why the Barcelona final corner is such a big safety concern
It isn't
The chicane was added to "improve overtaking", and now they pretend it's a safety feature because the chicane fucking reduced overtakes

>>75019297

I'm sure its going to come to the point that teams are simply going to force drivers to sign contracts that prevent all sort of extracurricular racing and skiing during the off season

>>75019338
i think the big teams already do that

>>75019354
but Lewis does all sorts of "dangerous" shit like mountain climbing and playing with tigers

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>>75019287
>>75019316

I remember that, they said the cars couldn't follow each other through both right handers at high speed. Turns out they can't follow through the chicane either.

This elite design forces the lead driver to either run wide on the racing line on turn in, opening up the bottom, or defend the inside and completely ruin their speed onto the front straight.

The "not fit enough" thing is such bullshit

The 2017 Sauber isn't exactly a demon and probably not even faster than 2016 Merc. And Wehrlein has driven the various Mercs several times. Meanwhile Giovinazzi comes from GP2 and LMP2, has had like 1 Ferrari test and a few days of testing and he's magically fit enough to do a whole race without a problem?

Plus its not like full-time F1 drivers are exactly unfit or out of shape. I think Wehrlein might actually have something more serious going on with his back/neck which he is either keeping a secret from the media, or from everyone because he obviously doesn't want to kill his career. F1 races are rare as fuck. Only 20 per year. You wouldn't miss that because "driving it makes me exhausted and tired and sore" unless you're a total bitch, or you have something much more serious going on. Kimi and Bottas both missed races becuase of back injuries, and in Kimis case it required surgery and in Bottas's case it took some treatment and physio work

>>75019474
How fuckin funny would it be if loowis' hand gets eaten by a fucken tiger during the next offseason

>>75019623

triggered every time Vettel holds a 5 fingered hand up for 5 WDC

>>75019506
kinda want to agree here, who in his right mind decides to not race. these top-tier-sportsmen are maniacs by default.
even more so this guy whom everyone hates because he is so goddamn cocky and know-it-all.
his ego alone would make him race. former team members hate so much him for his fucking ego, threw parties when he finally left a team in previous classes.

and he was cleared by FIA and doctors.

>>75019827
>hate so much him

nice going anon

>thx :/

>>75019827

Yeah something just doesn't add up. Maybe in his mind he actually thinks he is so certainly highly rated that he can miss races and it won't be a problem. He didn't impress too much last year, and his career took a pretty serious blow when Ocon was chosen ahead of him to "progress". The attitude problem rumors certainly don't help his case either.

I don't know how happy Mercedes will be to first scramble to find a seat for their junior, and then for that junior to miss like a quarter of the season and be replaced by a Ferrari junior.

>motorsport.com survey doesn't let you pick Gio the Nazi as your favourite driver
wtf i hate zak brown now

>>75019952
maybe it was a kvyat/amx themed swap? they had enough of him and felt Gio would be better?

If GIO can manage to avoid going full Bianchi, does he go to Ferrari in 2019?

>>75018591
I suppose you're still upset from the whole Michiel the Ruyter thing. We made a movie you should see it.

Hijacked the Royal Navy's flagship while it was in port fucking cash I tell you.

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>>75020660
>GIMI will retire after winning the WDC

>>75019297
at least Kubica wanted to drive at another one but Boullier told him to drive at Italian one

>>75020460

>have enough of the Pascal experience after 1 off season, like 4 days of testing and 2 FP's

lmao I don't think even he could achieve such a feat

Gio also more or less rejected both Red Bull and Mercedes to go to Ferrari. Although he was only offered some DTM shit by Mercedes so I can see why he wasn't that interested. Ironically enough he likely would have ended up driving and testing for Sauber regardless of him picking Ferrari or Mercedes.

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Kek

>>75019025
that crash should have been pretty much a non issue for Kvyat and Vettel
both got a better position than they would have had without it

>>75020958
>Monisha pictured as white
Thats racist.

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>>75019506
Kimi missed those two races because Lotus was late in paying his salary and they owed him like 15 million or something.

He was supposed to get the back surgery after the season, but when he got tired of Lotus shenanigans, he crashed on purpose in the first corner in Abu Dhabi. Then he left the track immediately after that and informed Lotus that he was gonna have the back surgery before the end of the season and he wasn't available to drive in the last 2 races.

>>75020905
>some DTM shit

What's wrong with DTM?

>>75021498
you have the webm of him leaving the track during the race?

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>>75018627
Not gonna lie, former Wehrlein fan here. This is fucking hilarious watching Wehrlein crash and burn. But in all seriousness we can't let this guy get the Sauber seat back.

all you """people""" shitting on Wehrlein just don't want him to drive because you KNOW he'd beat Ericsson harder than Gio ever could

>>75020660
At this rate he'll be there by Monza.

>>75021536
No. But I remember it, it's in this Maldonator video at 10:49

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YJHQidXV5M

>>75021617
>beaten by Hairy Anus

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>>75020958
Gio's engine will explode the second he overtakes Marcus.

>>75021560
>Wehrlein fan
Why?

>>75021617
No it's because based Gio is one of /f1/s most liked drivers, whilst Princess Pascal is one of the most hated. Also, do you not think most people here would love to see Ericsson get BTFO?

>>75021526
Just look at Wehrlein, DTM is for F1 rejects and retirees.

>>75022127
>Just look at Wehrlein, DTM is for F1 rejects and retirees.

I enjoy it, the racing is more exciting than F1.
Only reason to watch F1 is for the memes.

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>>75018945
>creating passing opportunities is problematic for me

Wehrlein has a burst fracture and herniated disc

>>75019063
That's funny as hell.

Zero fucks given. Get the fuck out of the way, Ferrarishit.

>>75022283
Whatever floats your boat. The point I was making was that DTM is not the best series for an aspiring F1 driver.

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>>75022357

According to the FIA, DRS is the greatest invention ever brought to Formula 1 and it is the solution to any and all overtaking issues, especially since fans value the immediate reward of push-to-pass 1 shot overtakes compared to multi lap battles battles of the past.

With such a revolutionary design element at the forefront of overtaking design, one has to wonder why any other elements would even be considered.

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>Seriously, I think it's going to be Wehrlein. He has driven the Mercedes, and Bottas hasn't. He also seems like a decent guy who will not end up clashing with Lewis. Also having two ethnic drivers would be a huge PR win for Mercedes. I guess we will have to wait until January to find out who it will be!

Fast forward 4 months...

>I PUSH MY FINGERS INTO MY MOUTH

>>75022794
not fat enough mate, nick is a towering colossus above mere mortals

>>75022900
It's hard to find 3D models of fat people, this will have to do.

>Now, he needs to build up his fitness and come back strong. I have no doubt that when he’s back in the car, he’ll prove he’s still the same Pascal

Fuck off Cucko.

>>75018649
Kvyat seems like a chill lad. He's probably the most fun driver to grab a beer with.

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>>75022970
>he’ll prove he’s still the same Pascal
ENGINE OFF

>/r/ing video/webm of this

>>75022283
I sure do love spec racing where the only way to pass is DRS.

>>75022970

>the same Pascal

So mildly impressive at times with inconsistent form and attitude issues that are evident to even the viewers? The same driver who took 3 seasons to win DTM with Merc fully shilling for him and even then he almost managed to choke it?

>>75023297
Kek. I love you, Finlad.

Wehrlein Out! The future of German F1 is white!

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>>75023253
>I sure do love spec racing

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>75018892
>Malaysia, Bahrain are good

>>75022921
Proper eastern european attitude.

I want my bathroom tiled properly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-KqYzXG3Ss

What a fall from grace for le I NEED DRS man

>manufacturer team takes a liking to you bc they see your skin colour and ethnicity as a sign that you can relate to all the hip young second-/third-generation immigrants in Germany
>they strap a rocket up your bumhole and do everything in their power to win you races in their Designated Driver Development Series™ which bears no fruits of relevance to their end goal of putting you in F1
>despite your works team bending over backwards to force you to the championship— constantly directing your other drivers to slow down so you can pass them, and then order them to protect you from being overtaking by any of the 20 more talented drivers on the grid—take 3 full seasons to win it
>after begging their customer teams in F1 to give you a seat, you land a spot at the slowest team on the grid
>get exposed by your paydriver teammate, who gets dropped midseason for another Mercedes junior driver who is contractually obligated to protect and coddle you
>score a meaningless point because another Mercedes customer team were told to pull over and let you have the glory
>get bratty at your engineers on the radio all season long, refuse to do what you're told and turn the engine off whenever you crash/spin/beach
>refuse to let your teammate score a point and put you to shame by equalling your record
>you let the next-slowest team score their first points of the season, putting yours in last place
>this causes the death of your backmarker team and 200 job losses
>move to next-slowest team the next season thanks to manufacturer backing, replacing the driver who scored those points who conveniently loses his own funding
>pointlessly crash in a publicity demo at the beginning of the year breaking your neck
>try to play it off
>pull out of testing bc "dont wanna get injured again haha"
>pull out of the race bc "not fit enough haha"
>pull out of the season bc "still not fit haha"
>career ended

I have always thought it was Wehlrein and not Wehrlein.

>>75023696
this is fucking sad, man

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>>75023691
Here.

>>75023702
>pronounced Verlain, not Velrain
>must be written with l before r

>>75023728
For everyone affected, not you Wehrlein.

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>Mika drove a 58 lap race and got 2 points 120 days after this

If Princess Pascal isn't back by Spain/Monaco, he should just retire, travel to Iraq and let ISIS throw him from a rooftop.

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May I be so bold to recommend linking to the previous thread when making a new one? Much obliged

>>75023990
Couldn't she move a couple inches to the right so as not to trigger my OCD.

>>75023987
And Hakkinen was hospitalised for a full two months after that crash. Remarkable how quick his return to F1 was.

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reminder that last year alonso wanted to race with 2 broken ribs and the FIA doctors said no

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>>75024039

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>MGU-H (the electric motor coupled to the turbo) may be abandoned. the current MGU-H regulation is seen as a major cost driver and its abolition creates simpler engines that also can be louder.

>Non-works teams in particular, favor a standardized KERS (MGU-K) unit. Mario Illien advised such an engine could be made for $10 million a piece.

>Volkswagen involvement could favor a push towards 4 cylinders instead of 6. The 2014 rules were intially about 4-cylinder engines as well, but veto'd by Ferrari.

http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/news/2017/04/formel-1-motor-2021-keine-mgu-h-mehr-vier-zylinder-17040208.html

Thoughts?

I personally don't give a flying fuck about whether the engines are V4, V6, V8, V10, V12 or V2 as long as the cars are fast and loud as fuck. The speed is already there but the sound is shit - you see the car way before you hear it and that's the wrong way around.

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>>75024039

FTFY

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>>75024191
>>75024240

>>75018627
I honestly feel bad for him. I don't even feel schadenfreude, just pity.

>>75024227
MGU-H is pretty impressive with how it works. It reduces any turbo lag and stops over spinning. I think that as the paragon of racing having technology like this and developing it further is pretty important.

MGU-H should stay imo.

4 cylinder engines are fine by me 2bh

Inb4 we need cheaper NA many cylinder V shaped engines. That's not as attractive to anyone other than the big luxury sports car brands 2bh

>>75019132
I don't agree with that. He's a one dimensional hack that occasionally lucks out as with Turkey.

A1 Ring is hardly his. Corner and elevation are the same as the old track, he only slowed them a little. And I'll never forgive him for Nurburgring. Absolute horror of a track. He had to put a kink before the first hairpin, effectively killing only chance of passing on that track.

I'm sure he's fucking with track owners though. Everyone wants fast tracks, with long straights, and then he goes and draws them the longest straight™, and while they're all happy and distracted while they congratulate themselves, he goes and puts a shitton of multiapex corners everywhere else. Just look at Shanghai. It's one straight, and nothing but medium to slow speed corners everywhere else. A horror of a track. Bahrain, Austin and Korea have some more straights, but are very similair otherwise. Although he surprised me by putting some high speed corners to Austin. You can also argue that he can't do much on city tracks, but you must admit that his record is poor. He made plenty of them, and they all are soulless, hardly a thing you'd say about Melbourn, Mt. Panorama, Macau, Long Beach...

Jos gets into another fight, kek.

http://nos.nl/artikel/2166271-jos-verstappen-krijgt-klappen-op-terras.html

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>>75024865

We posted in the last thread, anon.

This was the unironic toothpaste response...
>pic related

>>75025015
Top fucking kek.

>>75024865
>I'm not here to finish... my drink. *wham*

are we in for a meme season lads?

>>75025377
Every season is a meme season lad

>>75025437
t. 2015

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>>75018607

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>>75024240
>>75023990

>>75026055
Thanks now I gotta fap

>>75026055
If somebody during the season gets some cheeky underboob I'll be forever grateful.

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>>75026088
I too would be forever grateful

>>75026055
>>75026161

She looks good in this shoot.
I'm guessing pro hair and makeup.

>>75026161
The left still has that roll of fat on her left, One size too small?

Also, 3 or 33?

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>>75026230
It was the opening weekend of the 86/BRz series.

Don't know why she gets lumped with such shit photoshoots outside of the actual racing stuff.

>>75026349

tfw no more qt Juria ;_;


>I hope she ends up doing gravure

>>75019132
>except for maybe the very final corners
Delete this. The final corners are awesome for switchback overtakes.

The new Hockenheim is shit, though.

>>75018734
Now that Bernie's gone, does that mean we can get rid of Tilke permanently (and all of his tracks currently on the calendar)?

Please fucking make it so

>>75024418
>That's not as attractive to anyone other than the big luxury sports car brands 2bh

If we want to attract "regular" manufacturers like Renault, Honda, Mercedes, Audi etc. we will soon have to move to electric engines and driverless cars, no ifs and buts, period.

Or we can go back to naturally aspirated V8/V10 engines that are made by Ferrari, Cosworth, Ilmor, Zytek, Judd, AER, Mecachrome and others.

Or maybe there's a third option, who knows.

>>75019132
Red Bull Ring is pretty good. It's also probably the least Tilkefied Tilke track there is - no radius corners, no mile long straights, no hairpins, no inexplicably wide entry corners, no 90 degree corners.

>Tracks like Shanghai, Abu Dhabi and Sochi can fuck right off though
Shanghai and Sochi are indeed shite.

Yas Marina is okay in my opinion - sector 1 is GOAT. Sector 3 lets it down with all those fucking 90 degree corners - literally sickening. The man is so unimaginative and talentless it's unreal.

>>75026474
>The new Hockenheim is shit, though.
Correct

>>75026592
>If we want to attract "regular" manufacturers like Renault, Honda, Mercedes, Audi etc. we will soon have to move to electric engines and driverless cars, no ifs and buts, period.
I hope you're joking. There's Formula E for electric engines. And there's Roborace for driverless.

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>>75026446
I'm keeping an eye on her and the noodle cafe

>>75026632
>I hope you're joking

No, I'm not. The whole reason we have shit like V6 Hybrid Power Unit MGU-FU KERS LMAO and

>muh green values
>muh environment

is because of manufacturers and their desire for "road relevancy". Electric cars with no drivers? That's where the car industry is heading. And the manufacturers will request that next and if F1 won't comply, they'll leave to Formula E. Do you really think that in 2025 some V4 Hybrid Turbo Power Unit will have "road relevancy" to Renault or Mercedes? Nope. If the manufacturers stay in F1 when their cars are full electric and fully automated, we might as well go back to V10 engines.

>>75026638
>>75026446
She apparently has some sisters so I'll have a look and see if they did anything.

>>75026592
>There is no intermediate step between these different engine configurations
>F1 should go back a technology step
I'm not sure what you are getting at?

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>>75026774

There are posts on her insta getting coffee/food with girls who look a lot like her, made me wonder if it was a sister.

>same face
>same ears

>>75026749
>Do you really think that in 2025 some V4 Hybrid Turbo Power Unit will have "road relevancy" to Renault or Mercedes?
>V4
No its not going to be V4, yes on 2025 we will still have hybrid cars, we still have new V8+ cars being made right now and 7 years ago people were making the same claims as you but hybrid and not electric. Don't be silly tech at the top end takes a while to trickle down and niche top end cars (see the last run of V8 holdens for example) will always hang around
>If the manufacturers stay in F1 when their cars are full electric and fully automated, we might as well go back to V10 engines.
That will not happen because at that point >mah eco values will be in full swing and no one will get in it.

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sup /f1/

should i use metal or PVC conduit for my 220v line going to my garage?

>>75026970
IMB4 someone goes on about >top end holden lol. I meant top of the range models more expensive smaller / limited run cars

>>75026837
That's just them arr rooking same.

>>75027004

Use the metal pipe.

That way you can use the pipe for the live, and only have to run one strand of wire for the neutral.

>>75026749
>No, I'm not. The whole reason we have shit like V6 Hybrid Power Unit MGU-FU KERS LMAO and
>>muh green values
>>muh environment
>is because of manufacturers and their desire for "road relevancy". Electric cars with no drivers? That's where the car industry is heading. And the manufacturers will request that next and if F1 won't comply, they'll leave to Formula E. Do you really think that in 2025 some V4 Hybrid Turbo Power Unit will have "road relevancy" to Renault or Mercedes? Nope. If the manufacturers stay in F1 when their cars are full electric and fully automated, we might as well go back to V10 engines.

I agree with all you say here and I wasn't disputing any of it. I was disputing the idea that F1 will cave to these demands.

I think you're right - the electric stuff will be Formula E and F1 will go back to petrol engines which, as you say, may well be created by small companies like Cosworth, etc.

F1 is a petrol engine formula and I don't think it will ever not be that (well maybe long into the future... hope not though).

Of course Formula E at the moment supplies a standard motor. But I am sure this will change, or there will be another series that springs up where they allow competing electric motors to take part.

And yes like I say, Roborace tests automated driving. And again there might be another series for this sort of thing that springs up that mainstream manufacturers are drawn to, but I doubt it will be F1.

Driverless car ""racing"" is the biggest load of wank I've ever heard. Literally who cares except the people writing the controllers.

So when Alonso is still 12th in every session at China how do they keep trying to claim it's all the engine holding them back

>>75026632
Have you ever actually seen the Red Bull Ring?
>no 90 degree corners
Except turn 1 and 8
>no radius corners
I don't even know what you're trying to say here but most of the corners on the track have an artificially super small radius apex followed by a kink to realign to where the straight actually is like every other Tilke track, the only good news is that the new straight from turn 1 to turn 2 was allowed to be slightly sweeping and they didn't feel the need to change the back straight.
>no hairpins
Remus Kurve is the original meme hairpin
>no mile long straights
Only because of property limits. It's still the fastest track in MotoGP because the it has 2.5km of straights only separated by two short tight corners.

It's a relatively decent track just because it has nice elevation changes and scenery and it has a simple layout instead of dragging out the lap time with a bunch of bullshit extended mickey mouse sections.

I think what is most likely to happen when it does eventually happen is F1 will go fully electric and FE will become a feeder series to it. There is next to no way F1 takes a step back to petrol only engines.
And if it does step back it will no longer be F1 and FE will take over as the top formula of racing. Constructors already looking to get into FE and some already have fingers in the pie.
Deny it all you want but electric power being involved in F1 is here to stay.

>>75027105
Is it even racing at that point? May as well watch simulations ""race"" on a computer

>>75026820
>I'm not sure what you are getting at?

That unless F1 moves into electric cars without drivers, all the manufacturers (Renault, Honda, Mercedes) will leave in 10 years or less.

>>75027070
>I agree with all you say here and I wasn't disputing any of it. I was disputing the idea that F1 will cave to these demands.

Gotcha. And yes, they won't cave in to those demands. But why are they clutching onto manufacturers now like F1 will suddenly disappear if the big car companies leave? Why is F1 letting itself get assfucked by these companies when everyone knows they are not going to be there in the near future anymore?

>>75027232
>petrol engines aren't F1
>electric engines that sound like fucking dental drill are

>>/lgbt/

>>75027288
You are buying into the self driving electric car meme too hard, you'll be really lucky if most manufacturers even sell one within 10 years let alone them replacing "conventional" cars. Even lazy fuck Americans aren't going to spend a huge premium to have a dinky electric fuccboi car instead of just driving themselves, and the retarded bus riders that dream about them won't be able to afford them anyways.

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>>75024603
>And I'll never forgive him for Nurburgring. Absolute horror of a track. He had to put a kink before the first hairpin, effectively killing only chance of passing on that track.
*projectile vomits*

>>75027288
You seem to be struggling with how evolution of sports happens. When was the first hybrid car launched? Toyota prius in the mid 90's. We have hardly got the first electric cars and you are acting like in less than half the time for hybrid to be F1 it will be fully automated electric cars. Pull the other one mate it has bells on.


Let's say your right and next engine formula is petrol only. Renault and Honda will drop out, VWG who is looking to join will drop out, I would be surprised if Mercedes sticks with it if that's the case considering how they pushed for the current formula. And out of the manufacturers left you end up with Formula Ferrari with Ferrari wins lol because they are the works team. Your right cosworth might be able to back a single team but he hey dropped out die to money issues so I would be very surprised if they join back in. Great way to totally not kill the sport...

Electric is here to stay and there is no way F1 takes a step back.

>>75027499
I dropped the driverless from "first electric *driverless cars" at the top

>>75027499
F1 teams honestly need to build their own engines soon if this keeps up. That gives Ferrari a massive advantage.

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>>75024603
There's no way to have the arena at the Nurburgring without the kink because the huge grandstand was already there. The arena itself is a fucking atrocity either way though.

>says A1 Ring is hardly his even though every single corner on the track is completely new and not even in the same place as before
>doesn't know that Kevin Schwantz is responsible for most of the layout of CotA

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>mfw people are debating what the next F1 engines should be as if the FIA gives a fuck what they think

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>>75027742
>mfw Australia is complaining about discussion on an internet forum as if anyone gives a fuck what he thinks

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>>75027830
>mfw another Finn replies to a post where I was referenced and everyone thinks it's me

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>>75027231
>Have you ever actually seen the Red Bull Ring?
Yes. I was watching it last year when Nico pulled his stupid move against Lewis.

>Except turn 1 and 8
I wouldn't count them as 90 degree... see pic related, they're a bit bigger than 90 degree.

I'm talking about the perfect 90 degree corners of Yas Marina sector 3, which come one after the other. Just that whole section doesn't flow at all. It's wank. Sochi has a good few 90 degree corners too. And even ones that aren't 90 degrees are just very very angular.

>radius corner
Sorry I meant constant-radius corner. E.g. Sochi, the big long corner. Any corner where the radius stays the same throughout the whole corner. Again it's fucking boring.

Like above with 90 degree corners, the problem is that the designs are often too geometric. It doesn't flow.

>Remus Kurve is the original meme hairpin
Remus Kurve isn't a hairpin... a hairpin is a full 180 degree turn. E.g. the Yas Marina hairpin (which I actually think is a very good hairpin), or the one at China after the long-as-fuck straight (which is a shit hairpin, because it has a weirdly shaped exit - again too geometric and angular - seen here (last pic): >>75018734

>Only because of property limits. It's still the fastest track in MotoGP because the it has 2.5km of straights only separated by two short tight corners.
Interesting. They're great straights though (both not even quite straight, of course) - the home straight going downhill and then up, and the second one having the kink in it.

Again for boring straights I'm thinking of China mainly... also Bahrain, Malaysia. Just really long, dead straight straights. Flat too. Again it's the fact that it's too geometric. Are Spa and Suzuka geometrically shaped? No, they're flowing.

>it has nice elevation changes and scenery and it has a simple layout instead of dragging out the lap time with a bunch of bullshit extended mickey mouse sections.
I agree completely with all of that.

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>>75027853

I didn't think it was you. Your not that quick to salty.

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Two full days.

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>>75028475
>Yes. I was watching it last year when Nico pulled his stupid move against Lewis.

Just to let you know that anything you say from this point forward is immediately invalidated because of that statement.

Night night.

>>75023696
Jesus Finland

>Target destroyed

>>75028706
You think it wasn't stupid of nico to fuck up his front wing and thus sabotage his own certain race win? I'd call that pretty fucking stupid personally!

>>75028475
>a hairpin is a full 180 degree turn.
If that was actually the case there would be barely any hairpin corners anywhere in the world including most of the ones literally named hairpin or one of the examples you used.

>interesting straights
kek

>>75028814
Near 180 degrees. But turn 2 at Austria isn't that. I definitely wouldn't consider it a hairpin personally, I'd consider it a right hand corner.

And yes I think the two straights of Austria are way way better than some of the straights on tilkes other shitty circuits

>>75028806

Who cares? He was getting in LewLew's head. Totally worth it in my book. A "I'm tired of this shit" move

>>75028961
"I'm tired of constantly being outdriven by a superior driver"

Kek

>>75023696
To be fair I don't think anyone expected RoC would be driving 3 wheel plastic death machines on a joke track with an uncontrolled crossover.

>>75028475
if you're going to be a pedant about RBRing turn 8
> they're a bit bigger than 90 degree.
it's actually tighter than 90° if you're not a dimwit discounting its second apex. and since you *are* discounting second apices as belonging to the same corner;
>or the <hairpin> at China after the long-as-fuck straight
that's two corners, the former not being 180° on its own, therefore not a hairpin, right?

>radius corner
Sochi turn 3 is a good corner, at least for pre 2017 regs, because it was a challenge to go flat out while battling for position, but at the same time in the slipstream it was possible to go flat to set up a move into turn 4. it's an objectively good corner for racing.

><is> Suzuka geometrically shaped? No
fuck off, right there. Suzuka is at its base all geometric corners, reprofiled over the years as does happen, turning what was one geometric corner into two geometric corners or cutting off one geometric corner halfway. it was not designed free-hand or whatever the opposite of geometric design is to you, but meticulously placed straight lines, rounded corners and cropped circles.

>>75029224
It's depressing to think there is actually only like three original corners left at Suzuka.

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>>75029029
Yea he was totally superior.

What happen in Australia oh that's right no longer in best car.

>Nico wdc
>couldn't trouble shoot his machine on his own
>dirty moves galore

Suck his dick some more why don't you?

>>75027742
kek'd

>>75029365
4 or 5 of the corners are the same as the 1961 design; all but 5 are the same as 1987 when it first hosted F1

Montreal, for comparison, has 7 original corners (much lower corner speed as it's basically a street circuit so safety modifications are less vital). Spielberg has a grand total of ONE (okay, two if you count the tiny sliver of Rindt that stayed at the exit of the final corner). Silverstone has just two. Monza has zero.

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>>75030144
Only the first two corners of the esses and the hairpin.

Montreal's track layout has changed a bunch, it's just been mostly completely removing turns rather than changing them.

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>>75030785
you're forgetting the final corner is the same (the chicane cutting off the first part doesn't count now, come on), as is 200R (the corner after the hairpin), and 100R (the corner before the hairpin) if you're anal about counting kinks.

I'm well aware of Suzuka's history of reprofiling its turns; by funny coincidence I've had a copy the circuit's plans open on another monitor for a few days now

>>75030946
>cutting off half the corner doesn't count as changing the corner
Dude come on. 200R is a turn in a Porsche Cup car but not any race car that matters and it's not intact for motorcycles.

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>>75031021
being flat out doesn't make it not a turn, Jacques. you should know better than to say that given your chequered past.

the final corner is intact, just bypassed unlike 130R, Spoon, esses where the old surface no longer exists, but I'll give you that.

>>75018649
wait.. fiat is still in f1?

>>75031069
It's still flat in a Porsche Cup car, just actually difficult flat. Anything with downforce it's a straight that could be driven 3 wide.

Eau Rouge hasn't been a corner for any single seat car but 2014-2015 F1 for a long time, the only rpm drop is from the hill.

>>75031119
>being flat out doesn't make it not a turn

a turn = something that requires you to adjust the angle your steering wheel from its usual position of being straight if you don't want to drive off the track

Copse is flat, that's a corner
Istanbul turn 8 is flat, that's a corner
the surface of your brain may flat, but that's just lacking wrinkles

>>75031157
ESL pls

>>75022528
>especially since fans value the immediate reward of push-to-pass 1 shot overtakes compared to multi lap battles battles of the past.
Do they really? I personally prefer battles that take a few laps and test a drivers will.

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>>75031493

OK so totally agree with you however side by side action has been dead for awhile now (aero, we all know) drs is the only thing that has come close to fixing the whole can't follow bit. Its the nature of the formula now.

Why can't they just admit ground effect cars were the greatest thing to happen to F1 ever, and bring it back.

Just a neutral statement, not arguing either side.

>>75019063
I almost died when I saw this
Of laughing

>>75024418
>That's not as attractive to anyone other than the big luxury sports car brands 2bh
F1 has existed and thrived without them before. F1 will be fine without them again if they don't want to play ball.

>>75019063
Blyat

>>75027578
that's not easy lol. Ferrari have been building engines longer than any team not named Mercedes have even existed. billion dollar manufacturers can't get it right 3 years in, so there's no reason privateers can afford to even try. ferrari don't care though

F1 doesn't need the big manufacturers.

>>75031934
Pre 80's doesn't apply to current day lad, they can't just drop in a tuned version of a road car Engine onto an F1 car
>>75032038
1) what non-"big manufacturers" care about F1 other than Ferrari?
2) which of those can afford or care to invest into researching and making an F1 engine?
3) which of those want to enter a racing series when Ferrari has a massive experience head-start on them and will be embarrassed compared to Ferrari?

>>75032038
F1 without manufacturers was basically DFVwinslol for years. That was fine because it didn't lead to any one team dominating without ingenious design talent like Lotus, but if that happened now it would just be Formula Ferrari, becaus F1 is too expensive now to survive without manufacturers tussling with Ferrari or giving privateers options other than relying on them for engines, otherwise it would just be Ferrariwinslol until the sport caved in on itself.

>>75032075
but you don't think that with simpler engines that R&D and manufacturing costs would plummet, meaning it would be possible again for a smaller, specialist engine builder like Cosworth and Judd to enter F1 again?

>>75032098
For cosworth
>last win 2003
>last win before that 1999
>last win before that 1994
Such a great past several "simple" era record, they are surely chomping at the bit to get back in there.
Add in the reason they went under, those simpler engine literally costing too much to develop to not be competitive.

Judd is an even sadder story than that.

You can probably figure out the answer to your question yourself mate. They won't be interested.

This is also assuming F1 moves backwards against progress kek

I miss Maldonado lads :'(

>You now remember March scored more points than Williams in 1988

>>75032173
Its ok we have $troll

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11 full days until Formula Kino
10 full days until Schumacher gets exposed

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>>75032185
It's a shame Capelli couldn't function during his time at Ferrari, as I think he could have been a decent chance at being in a title fight.

He did some very good things with March/Leyton House

>>75032185

>You now remember that Williams scored 5 points in 2013

>>75032193

Sorry I am new
What is 'exposed' here?

>>75032173
>>75032185
>>75032233
You now remember Maldonado is the only driver to win for WIlliams since Juan Pablo "the Formula Juan driver" Montoya juan a race over a dozen (12) years ago.

>>75032234
"Exposed" is when the genitals are visable.

>>75032329
>tfw Nick will never be exposed.

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>>75032234
exposed means 'everyone thinks hes fast but this is going to prove he's actually slow'

also Shin Gojira was fun nipanon

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>>75022414
>>75031846
>>75032005

>>75031846
>>75032234
Fucking English teachers

>>75022414
>>75032394

>implying Kvyat did anything wrong
>implying Red Bull weren't just looking for any excuse to give le "future world champion" wunderkind his seat

Sure tastes like toothpaste ITT

>implying australia is a country

>>75021847
hardly

>>75032411
>Kvyat is slower thanRicciardo in almost every session in 2016
>Kvyat pushes Vettel into Ricciardo which ruins his race as well
>need excuses to replace him

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>there was no champagne because the williams team was backed by arabs

What did they mean by this?

>>75032478
I fucking hate how people always feel to change their lifestyle to please those inbred low IQ fucks

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>>75032488
I changed my lifestyle by staying up all night watching F1 to please /f1/

much love,
your mate

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>>75032488
>this flag
>this post

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>so they poured onto the track in their usual attempt to be mowed down in great numbers by cars that had not yet finished the race. An Italian sacrificial ceremony, which it said that not even the Japanese fully understand

I love this narrator's pottery from the season reviews

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We can only hope.

>>75032530
Clive James, aye?

>>75032581
so instead of tossing the turbo to the bin like they should, they add another one.

kekkola.

What does /f1/ have against Wehrlein? I'm not trying to defend him or anything, I'm just kind of out of the loop

>>75032498

Are those people who camp in blurred tents.

>>75032530
>>75032583
Which season review is that? I watched James' 1982 review and I'd love to find more of it

>>75032588
he's a nigger and a soft cunt and not a very good driver.

>>75032593
>he's a nigger
Well I suppose that's an obvious reason here
>and a soft cunt and not a very good driver.
Do you have examples? Again, not trying to defend him, just curious

>>75032588

He's no worse than any other driver in his tier, it's just racists sperging out.

>>75032601
>refusing to race in Melbin because he "might be a bit sore"
>Ocon strolled into his team last year and had him covered by seasons end
>acted like a cunt which led to Ocon getting the nod to foreskindia over him

How many races would Giovinazzi have to do this year to get his own number, rather than the Sauber allocated #36

>>75032588
He's just got a puncable face and his hair looks stupid.

>>75032588
it's one Finn who has even more autism that the other Finns

>>75032588

He's a nigger, a bit of an ass and we like Gio the Nazi more

Wehrlein has a reputatiom for arrogance going back to his F3 days.

>Banging on a driver's window in a DTM race due to slight contact
>Almost refusing to turn the engine off after a spin last year

There is obviously more, but I've not really followed his career. When Will Buxton, of all people, tweets the Princess Pascal thing, you know there is something to it.

>>75027476
At least he learned from that...

>>75032581
Indycar 2.0 - electric boogaloo

The MGUH ducks in terms of noise but it's the most interesting and clever aspect of the entire hybrid system, why drop that but keep the rest of the hybrit shit?

>>75024603
>horror of a track
>x2
Also, Tilke did not design the new Nurburgring.

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>>75031157
>Istanbul turn 8 is flat

>>75032645
It's actually at least two Finns. Me and the other

>le long post

autist.

>>75032344

>implying there's something to be exposed

>>75032777
So:
>it's two Finns who have even more autism that the other Finns
?

Stealing some thoughts from a Swedish pundit.
Considering Pascal has been cleared by several doctors, I don't think there's a problem with his back. He might just be mentally destroyed because of Ocon to FI, ROC, and bad press. He's like a welfare queen, using the injury/lack of strength as an excuse to not have to drive.

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>>75032588
He's like a mix of Hamilton and Stroll.

Arrogant diva who has gotten everything handed to him since the day his father impregnated a nigress. He's earned the nickname Princess Pascal and every time he leaves a team, they throw a party because they are so happy he's finally gone. Doesn't do what he's told, complains all the time, isn't really that fast or good, has a punchable face, looks like a metrosexual faggot, has now missed two important race weekends because his stylist fucked up his haircut... this list could continue forever but here's a good summary: >>75023696

On top of that, the Sauber seat is between him and /ourguy/ Giovinazzi who's like the complete opposite of Princess Pascal.

>looks, acts and talks like a man
>still humble
>fast
>can overtake well (Monza feature race neva föget :D)
>every team loves and adores him
>wasn't part of a junior team until late last year when he got snatched up by Ferrari (so he isn't "a chosen one" like Hamilton, Wehrlein, Verstappen etc)
>Schumacher-tier debut
>national socialist
>Aryan

So the hate for Wehrlein gets multiplied because of our <3 for Gio.

>>75032193
Doesn't really matter if Mick gets exposed (to a certain extent he already has) - he will still be in F1 some day. I've said this before and I'll say it again: he's the son of the motorsport equivalent of Michael Jordan, Wayne Gretzky, Tiger Woods, Pele, Babe Ruth and Muhammad Ali. He's going to be in F1 if he wants to even if he never finishes a race in top 10 ever again.

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>>75032193
By exposed you mean gets the proper tv exposure of his victories that he deserves?

Pic very much unrelated

>>75032856
>He's going to be in F1 if he wants to even if he never finishes a race in top 10 ever again.
I guess if that really happened, it would be a bit too bad. But even if he doesn't score podium regularly, I'm afraid you're right, he will be in F1. Doesn't matter if he's great or not. Good or mediocre will be enough.

>>75032893
If Haryanto and Will "never top 3 in any series" Stevens made it to F1 in recent years, then Mick Schumacher has nothing to worry about. He will be in F1, I would bet both of my balls for that, but it's staying in F1 that I'm not sure of.

>>75032840
Why the fuck would he not want to drive?

>>75032934
For all people who dreamed of racing F1 as children
This is what makes us angry the most

>>75032840
Somebody send him this >>75023696 so he will finally break completely and off himself

>>75032874
>he didn't see the divebombs from MRF Challenge

>>75032856
I'm fine with him becoming the new Bruno Senna.

>>75032934
>He might just be mentally destroyed

>>75023696

Good.

Fuck that nigger, he is such an unimpressive driver even with Mercedes full-force shilling for him that I honestly cannot think of any other reason for his massive backing and faith from Mercedes other than his skin color, and I am not even particularly racist. Maybe Merc have seen that having Hamilton in their team has gotten a bunch of black and 3rd worlders more interested in Mercs than before or something.

I mean Anthony Hamilton promoted Lewis as the "first black F1 driver" and this undoubtedly had some effect on his career. It's just that Hamilton also happens to be a highly competitive racer regardless of his skin color, unlike Wehrlein.

>>75033230
>Maybe Merc have seen that having Hamilton in their team has gotten a bunch of black and 3rd worlders more interested in Mercs than before or something.
But blacks only buy used cars.

>>75024603

COTA isn't his though, don't think Nurburgring is either.

Shanghai is an abomination because it's like 99% certain some Chinese billionaire made retarded requests like "I want crazy corner 1" "I want the long straight" "I want it to look like a character" so Tilke just made some mess of a track and the customer was happy.

Track design involves a lot more than just "make a cool track" and his company is likely the most reliable and professional in the world, which is why FIA keeps reusing him. Plus his tracks are actually specifically designed for F1 speeds most of the time, which is why they end up producing decent F1 races when many classic tracks end up delivering borefests. I'm not saying this is always the case or we should abandon classic circuits, but overall at least his circuits produce decent entertainment on occasion.

>>75032645

I'm pretty sure its at least 3 separate Finns

Plus its not like anyone else particularly likes him aside from the German autists, probably the same ones who show up to "correct" anyone whenever something negative is said of Schumi or Vettel

>>75033281
>>75032777
So:
>it's two Finns who have even more autism that the other one Finn
?

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>>75032856
>>75032670

Does anyone know what his history of divaness or feuds in F3 were?

Some pundit/journalist briefly mentioned that Wehrlein and Ocon have had some some disagreements in the past, dating back to junior Formula categories. Anyone have any further info on this?

Also this is his junior career record. Post F4 in 2011, he's won 6 races total, including le Merc approved junior category DTM. I think it is safe to say our boy Pascal is indeed, dare I say, a hack?

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>tfw you're one of the cool Finns

>>75033306

Who weighs more

>three Finns

or

>one BIG NICK?

Place your votes now

>>75033332
Ya beat me to it.

>>75032587
>turbos=more power=faster cars
>'get rid of them!'
why are you so dumb?

Finnish bantz on the rise

>>75032186
But he doesn't have that meme quality, $troll is a piece of shit, Maldonado was the absolute madman and destroyed races.
Also, he won a race, I seriously doubt that $troll can win one.

https://twitter.com/nico_rosberg/status/849227706482995200

Mana on suicide watch

>>75033627
s'he is cute

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>>75033638
She's fat you desperate fuck

>>75033669
Just use the Catalunya chicane to bridge the long straight, no problems.

>>75033403
>MAKE MOAR POWER = MAKE FASTER CAR = GOOD RACES
>meanwhile the car is now heavier, all those hundreds of millions of R&D spent on the hybrid systems is wasted and the noise problem still isn't fixed
why are you so retarded?

>>75033680
All of the electronics and batteries are heavier than a single extra turbo. Pre-2014 there were needing to weight the cars down for fucks sake.

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>>75033679

Did he made it? I can use a Yas Marina one anyway I guess

I was talking doing it this style btw

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>>75033698
Yeah i'm pretty sure the chicane at 14--15 in.

>>75033703
*he put the chicane at 14-15 in

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Would Phillip Island make a good f1 circuit (ignoring safety ratings etc.)

>>75033680
>noise problem
Why don't you just run around your yard with a lawn mower m8?

The 'problem' with noise is not the turbos, it's the lack of RPM range, and that's caused by the lack of fuel flow etc. They're almost as loud as they were before, but they don't go to the high revs/pitch, and the lower pitches don't carry, so it seems quieter. Study some basic physics and engineering.

A turbo outpowers the weight it adds, and another turbo increases that efficiency. More power would solve part of the 'aero makes following impossible' problem, which would lead to good races.

And the hundreds of millions of R&D spent on the hybrid systems is already wasted. Nothing comes from F1 usage of hybrids. It can all be simulated, and you can't get useful testing data from cars that are averaging 200km/h and have tiny brake disk's.

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Tractor cunt.

>>75033730
>The 'problem' with noise is not the turbos, it's the lack of RPM range, and that's caused by the lack of fuel flow etc.
Bullshit, the noise came from exhaust in coordination with the higher revs. A turbocharged engine cannot overcome this, no matter what you do to it.

And complaints about the noise are literally the reason why this discussion is even happening, so they can't be dismissed.

>>75033733
minecraft sure got weird

>>75033754
>implying there is no exhaust in current F1 cars
>implying turbo cars can not go to high rpm
>what is intake noise
>what is every other turbo car having exhaust noise

You're not making an argument; you're just being wrong on the internet.

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>>75033754
You are retarded. Literally the dumbest bong i ebbing heard

Go listen to the MP4/4 again or any 80s turbo car. They sounded fine cause they revved.

>>75033754
this the kinda nigga that bought an XR8

>>75033669
kek, nice autism / boredom at work

>>75033330
hot finns arent that common desu

>>75033801
>implying there is no exhaust in current F1 cars
given how so much of it is wasted being thrown back into the engine and not blown out the back where it can make beautiful sounds and make everyone happy, I'm surprised there is any.

>implying turbo cars can not go to high rpm
The current cars revving to 15000 would be pointless because there's little power to be found up there. The energy and fuel needed to rev to the limit is not worth the potential gain. Nobody seems to get this.

>what is intake noise
you mean that vacuum cleaner sound that JDM fanboys love about their piece of shit R33 skylines and supras? and you think that's a good thing to keep in F1? lmao.
>what is every other turbo car having exhaust noise
wow it's nothing. Like, actually nothing.

>>75033834
they didn't sound good. Better than present day, but still not objectively good.

>>75033330
RARE

>>75033941
>The energy and fuel needed to rev to the limit is not worth the potential gain. Nobody seems to get this.
That's because you're wrong

There's a point of diminishing returns, because the engines aren't designed for more fuel, but there's still a way to go.