Homegrowmen (Farming and Gardening) Thread #61

US Farm Income and Taxes,
http://www.hobbyfarms.com/farm-marketing-and-management/farm-income-taxes-14991.aspx

US Grants and Loans for Small Farms,
http://www.usda.gov/wps/portal/usda/usdahome?navid=GRANTS_LOANS
http://afsic.nal.usda.gov/farms-and-community/grants-and-loans-farmers
http://www.nal.usda.gov/afsic/pubs/funding.shtml

Managing Risks on Your Small Farm,
http://agr.wa.gov/Marketing/SmallFarm/managerisk.aspx

Chicken info and forum,
http://www.backyardchickens.com

Rabbit guide
http://www.agriculture.gov.tt/publications/manuals/rabbit-production-a-producer-s-manual.html

A public access seedbank for many types of rare or endangered plants; both edible and ornamental,
http://www.jlhudsonseeds.net/index.htm

Organic and heirloom selections:
http://sustainableseedco.com/
http://www.seedsofchange.com/
http://www.johnnyseeds.com/

Potato, Sweet Potato, and Tubers seed bank (free, but requies filling out forms and waiting in line):
http://www.cipotato.org/

Awesome interactive plant/gardening maps for USA, Canada, France, UK, BC, (frost dates, temp zones, etc):
http://www.plantmaps.com/index.php

Sprout seeds and info:
sproutpeople.org

Insect Habitats for attracting polinating bees, predatory/parasitic wasps, hibernating ladybugs, butterflies, etc.
http://www.inspirationgreen.com/insect-habitats.html

Toad and Hedgehog Habitats,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JetkWtw7Jc
http://familycrafts.about.com/od/frogcrafts/a/How_To_Make_A_Toad_Village.htm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/breathingplaces/hedgehog_home/
http://www.britishhedgehogs.org.uk/leaflets/L5-Hedgehog-Homes.pdf

Chili Peppers
http://www.fatalii.net/

More on Aquaponics & Aquaculture,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=26xpMCXP9bw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=_WgfaJjvfxA
http://www.appropedia.org/Aquaponics

Sourcing plants from the grocery,
http://www.diyncrafts.com/4732/repurpose/25-foods-can-re-grow-kitchen-scraps

>>800718
Guys, what are some of your tried and true indoor methods to repel insects...without the use of insecticide?

>>800751
>i wanted to ask an indoor question on the outdoor board

I close the windows and doors, weatherize everything with caulking and Great Stuff expanding foam insulation. All baseboards, light fixtures, water pipes, electrical boxes, etc get the treatment. No ingress allowed. For gnats/vinegar flies I use a yeast trap. For normal flies I use fly strips. For crawling insects I use falling traps or sticky traps.

Next time ask >>>/diy/

>>800751
In general, or on your plants?

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Container Garden in 6a.

My first year really going at it. I did everything from seed and learned a lot.

Royal burgundy beans are the shit. Big yields, little maintenance, and taste great.

The "french horticulture beans" are pretty stupid. It might be too early but I've only counted a handful of young pods. Also they say they are bush beans on the packet but they really are pole beans, luckily my railing acted like a trellis.

Definitely should have made a trellis for the cucumbers, but we'll see how they deal without one.

Eggplants are hardy as hell. Granted they get the most sunlight but they grew like crazy. One of them got riddled with aphids so I trimmed off almost every leaf and it popped right back into form.

My trees are all doing well but I don't expect any fruits this year.

Also what am I doing wrong with my carrots? I had massive green tops but stubby little carrots. I think I only got one that looked good out of the 8 I pulled this year.

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>>800869

Vertical garden attempt with spring onions. Wild flowers on top

2 of my tomato plants are wilted very badly. It poured rain last night so they for sure dont need water but it has been very hot. This isnt a new thing it has been happening for a week now. They always perk back up when the sun goes down and then wilt when the sun returns but today is by far the worse i have ever seen them. Ill be amazed if they come back from this. any tips?
I had another plant doing this a few weeks ago but it no longer seems to wilt in the sun anymore.

>>800755
>>i wanted to ask an indoor question on the outdoor board
Kek, ever browsed this thread in December to February? It's almost 90% room plants and starters around that time, barring the occasional outdoor winter stuff (like onions, parsley, celery, brussels sprouts etc, or things flowering out of season)

>>800887
Maybe something chewing at the roots, like voles or moles? Check the surrounding soil for holes. Happened to my basil some while ago (droopy leaves), a firecracker in the nearby hole I discovered seems to have solved the problem
On a related note I chopped off my air layer tomato a bit early, so it looked sad too for a few days but now recovers as more roots grow

>>800887
Could you post a pic?

>>800869
>>800871
Dope shit man

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>>800916

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>tfw having memories in the back of my hand of this thread praising mulberries
>be walking around a part of the village gardens/fields I very rarely come by (along the main street, there's generally a house front facing the street while gardens are at the backside of the properties, bordered by fields)
>discovering a huge tree with blackberry-looking fruits on it at different stages (white, red, black)
>Yay I found mulberries!
>Be trying some of the black ones
>Disappointimus maximus
Really, they tasted like almost nothing, with maybe a slight hint of blackberry at best
Have I been memed or did I maybe stumble upon a whit mulberry cultivar with black fruits instead of a true black mulberry?

>>800923
>back of my hand
*back of my head
>whit
>*white
Sorry, had a couple beers

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>>800923
Close up of fruit

Do any of y'all sell your harvest?

I'm growing a few herbs and some tomatoes, but I dont know what to do if I have too much? Add them to compost?

2new4gardening ;-;

>>800934
Share them with your friends and family usually.

>>800916
>>800917
>>800887
You said they were coming back up when sun goes down, so I tend to agree with you with a water problem. How are you watering? Scarce (in frequency) but a lot, or often a little (in quantity)?
From what I know, when plants deal hardly with water imbalance, it happens a lot because of a lack of deep roots. When the plant only have surface roots, it is much more sensitive to humidity changes (humidity in depth is more stable). The plant tends to do more surface root if watered few in quantity but often, that leads to the seemingly paradox of a plant well-watered who doesn't stand a single lack of water.

>>800934
Share with family/friends

>>800901
Of course, I was the one posting those threads the year before (outdoor polytunnel and indoor peppers), trying to keep it alive so people in the southern hemisphere would start posting. Winter Homegrowmen >>>/out/ used to be pretty lonely.

However, those were about farming and gardening, this >>800751 is a top pest question on >>>/diy/ and gets quite a few good results there. We don't even know the type of insect or even if that anon has plants at all.

>>800934
I trade to friends and family for stuff they have that I don't have as well as sell it.

However, I also preserve my stuff too. That way I have dried, vacuum packed, pressure canned, jellied/jammed/preserves, sugared, smoked and/or frozen everything I need until next season. Anything over that gets traded/sold.

After that, things get fed to my chickens which ends up as manure either in the chicken coop or on the ground in the fruit orchard. The coop poop gets put into the new raised beds that will be developed for next year or the year after as new crop areas.

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>>800940
Fair enough, but I'd rather suggest >>>/an/ for insect identification

Had a lot of shit started personally last autumn/winter (50°N) so I posted them a lot too back then (lemon balm, thyme, oregano, rosemary, basil, sage; tomatoes, a watermelon (yes it still lives!), evergreens continuing indoors like lemon, jade, Howarthia, yucca, dragon tree)
Come to think of it, that one rosemary (outside) acts really strange. Started flowering in late September and stopped mid-May, like WTF does it think? There's barely any bees around from December to February, here a pic from late January

>>800940
I do have plants, and I'm looking to repel these tiny mosquito-like flying bugs from the plant areas. They seem to bite at night, especially on the arms, and are always roosting in the soil of containers.

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>>800967
Are you talking about sciaridae? (fungus gnats)
They're harmless to humans (their buccal pieces do not allow them to bite skin), and almost-harmless to plants. Some say they eat roots, but it's extremely rare : it happens only when your roots are already rotting (so in already bad shape). They are symptomatic of an excessive humid soil, but tend to persist a little once this problem is solved.
Try to space your waterings (so as the surface soil stay dry for several days), water by the bottom, and their number will decrease.
You can also lay some cups of yellow color with soapy water. Some have good results with cups of coffee, the thing is to encourage them to land on the water (by example by putting a light just above it)

>>800985
They can mess with seedlings though especially in young stage and indoors in winter. Fucked up my window sill parsley pretty bad back then, even though I kept it on the rather dry side

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Greenhousefag here, I just got back from a two week vacation. Everything is crowded as fuck but looking great. Yes, I will be culling more plants.

>>801002
Still using it late June? Whereabouts?

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My fuckhuge blue hubbard squash.

>>800869
Lovely!

>>800946
>insect identification =/= insect repelling

fixed

>>800967
Cover the soil in the pots with plastic wrap. Check the reservoirs for standing water and dump it out/plug the watering hole. Pour bleach into your sink traps.

>>801003
I had to start late since I live in a 4b growing zone. Also, everything would be eaten by wildlife(bears, 15 different rodents, elk, moose etc.) within a day if a took it out of the greenhouse.

Anyone else here have incredibly clay soul? Tips and tricks to deal with it?

>>801012
mix compost, peat moss, and sand into your soil.

>>801012
Got that shit too, but """only""" 540mm of average yearly rain, concentrated in the summer months (I project this year to reach 800 though) so it's mostly fine
This spring/early summer excessive rain has lead to some of my parsley seedlings yellowing, and eventually dying though.
For perennial stuff that doesn't like excessive moisture (like rosemary), I dug out generous holes (like 50x50x50cm) and mixed the existing soil with sand to refill, they seem to go along with it

>>801014
>>801020
Yeah my problem is that roots get absolutely choked to death eventually, as the clay turns to concrete after it's been watered for a while. Sometimes this even happens after I've amended the soil, maybe because I didn't go deep/wide enough.

>>800992
Ah yes you're right, heard about that before

>>800985
>>800967
Those fuckers live naturally in my area.

I prefer to disturb the topsoil with a backscratcher or a claw, it hurts the maggots and eggs they lay, and hopefully interrupt their lifecycle

>>801012
>>801027
Raised beds with all new soil. Compost, sand, etc. That's what I do. My compost piles are just yard waste, kitchen scraps, horse manure, and chicken manure. It gets turned once or twice a year and I toss on this stuff for several years before a full size bed is ready to plant in fully composted materials. It takes a long long time to pile up enough fully composted soil though. The results are well worth it.

Is it weird/bad to eat leaves that have bug holes in them?

My basil has been eaten a bit by slugs, but I still want to eat it. I'll wash it well.

>>801100
If the leaves are mostly clean I don't see the big deal

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>>800916
>>800917
My plant came back to life for the most part tonight. I guess i need to figure out a way to protect it from the sun?

>>800887
>>800916
>>800917
>>801118
My tomatoes do the exact same thing. Putting a big beach umbrella over them helped.

>>800936
This. You are better off watering less frequently, but much more deeply. This also differs from plant to plant. The peppers that I grow are mostly desert cultivars. The suggested way to water them is, once they emerge, maybe one watering, then wait up to three weeks. This is supposed to encourage deeper root growth. After that, if they aren't wilting a bit before noon, they're fine. That's maybe once per week with high temperatures at 100f and no precipitation.

With corn, OTOH, if the leaves start curling, they need water, and if they start curling between the time that it tassels or silks and the time that the kernels are viable seed, you are probably going to get a reduced harvest. When it is hot, I might water my corn every 2-4 days. By hot, I mean 100f+, and where I live, we get 8"-9" of rain yearly.

>>801002
>4b

Yikes! 8b here. I planted right around May 1st and some of my corn is already pushing 6' tall. I haven't had the time to tend the garden this year that I would have liked, so there are a couple of spots where weeds/grasses have stunted things.

A couple of suggestions if you haven't already found these for corn in your zone:

Painted Mountain. It is a fast maturing, hardy cultivar that has a fairly interesting history, even if it is more modern. It originated in Montana, IIRC.

Google Joseph Lofthouse. He grows his own landrace of corn at 8000', which ought to work well in 4b. I don't know when they will be available, but he will sell seeds.

>>801136
It's amazing how pepper are dry-resistant. I've read somewhere that waiting for them to wilt many times during the production makes pepper hotter, do you think that's true? (I can't tell, because I let them all wilt and have no clue of comparison)

>>801143
Yes, I believe this to be true. I know that hot dry summers lead to hotter crops here in NM. You can lookup the But I've also heard that for some of the more tropical cultivars, it's not true. Here is a very good resource for peppers:

http://www.chilepepperinstitute.org/

But, yeah, I've seen peppers that looked totally dead spring back to life with just a little water. They're tough plants once established.

>>801145
Thanks for the link! Do you overwinter them as perennials, or grow them as annuals?

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>>801146
I just grow them as annuals, though I might overwinter a few this year as I haven't had the time to tend my garden that I normally have, and I'm contending with a bumper crop of weed seeds from last year. We'll see what it looks like in mid August. I like to get at least 60lbs-80lbs of green chile, plus enough red to make several ristras.

I do have a couple of Bolivian rainbow pepper plants that are going in pots this year, mainly for decoration and if I want to add some heat to something. (Pic is not mine, just an example.) Those I will put indoors before first frost. They supposedly don't have a lot of flavor, but they do rank at 70k scolville units.

>>801147
I live in the 7A growing zone and would like to grow a pepper plant indoors...is a 1 ft-diameter, 1ft deep pot big enough for a jalapeño plant?

Do you guys know what sort of yield to expect from 1 single pot of this dimension?

>>801174
Deeper is always better, but for peppers, the top 1' is the most important, so yeah, that should work.

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r8 my tomatoes.

they're about 4 feet now.

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>>801219

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>>801223

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>>801225

>>801226
Tomato/tomato
What kind?

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>>801229
no idea, I only grow them as decoration.

it's some shady commercial hybrid.

>>801230
You have any peonies? They're one of my favorites but it's such a bitch to keep the flowers intact.

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>>801237
I have a large 70 year old peony.

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>>801238
it's a pretty wide plant.

too bad the flowers don't last much longer than like 2 weeks and collapse if there's a storm during that time.

>>801143
Humidity plays the largest factor for the plant to make hotter peppers.

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>>801238
Us Americans have great variations.
It sucks that even light rain shreds them.
Still a great plant, I like them way more than roses.

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>>801245
you're supposed to grow them in heaps of twigs, much like dephiniums and hydrangea annabelle I think.

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>>801249
can't seem to find any pictures of it, but you basically find a bunch of twigs with a lot of branches and throw them on top of the plant before the growing season starts so they basically use it as support to grow.

I've done it for some of my customers, I'll take a picture of it next week.

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UPDATE:

Last year I bought a few purple potatoes online. A paltry amount came in the mail. I've been growing them since then and today I have my first food crop from them. Normally, I would replant all the potatoes, but I don't have enough room for that right now. At least I'm able to get 2 seasons worth of potatoes per year with these; propagating them is fast.

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this is my pond, rate it
also lets talk aout ponds

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>>801245
>>801249
>>801255
I've never had trouble with mine. They get massive too. Only hail rips them up. They don't normally fall over unless animals tromp through them for whatever reason.

>old pic of one, in my yard from 2002

I've no clue at all what variety this is, there's just soooo many that look like this.

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>>801297
we talked about ponds before.
>>801298
that's because the varietion you have doesn't have that many petals.

>>801297
Anime Video Game/10

Those pads are OP. I really want to get some lotus for my pond, but I live in a -15F winter area and my ducks devastated the cattails so lotus would need fenced off.

>>801321
you must have a big pond if your grow cattails, yes my pads aren't big but atleast the lilies get flowers and they easily survive the winter
give us a picture of your pond

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Hey folks, I keep a few herbs in my kitchen and they've all started to die off over the last week or so. I took a few pictures, hoping one of you knows what's up.

This one is oregano.

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>>801332

This is Basil. Whatever is happening seems to leave the stems okay. I've got a completely bare mint plant now.

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>>801335

Last one, a different basil.

Thanks in advance for any protips. I'll check back later.

>>801255
bamboo ?

>>801338
>>801332
Spider mites maybe? That's something where an infestation can explode and spread quickly among susceptible indoor plants.

Check the underside of leaves for silk threads or tiny specks that move (it might help to shine a flashlight through the leaf).

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How do I save my tomato plant. Is it because it's too hot? Is it some kind of infection. If I prune anything that's yellow and brown will it be okay. There seems to be some newer growth on the bottom. The rest grew tomatoes and no more tomatoes have come out. I'm in Zone 8a and the weather has been in the triple digits for the past two weeks.

>>801342
no that's willow.

>>801345

There are some strands of what seems like silk on my thyme and oregano plants. I couldn't see any mites on the leaves though.

Any tips for getting rid of them? I'd prefer a gentler method but I don't think these plants could withstand a good hosing.

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I'm pretty sure I let one of my basil plants get too tall, any advice on how short to prune it down (if necessary)?

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>>801327
I've posted it many times in the past. Here's a 2013 pic before the ducks got rid of most everything around the edges. There's still cattails left, just not remotely as many as before. I use it mostly for fish/aquaculture.

>>801338
Looks bad. Sprinkle a dusting is diatomaceous earth on all the leaves.

>>801379
Samson-anon is that you? I'm jelly of that pond man.

>>801347
Prune everything that looks bad. Make sure you are watering it enough. That isn't enough soil unless you are watering 2 times a day. Put a 10%-20% shade cloth over it for a few days or when it is really hot.

>>801382
lol yes.

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Harvested some garlic.

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>>801379
make it stop.

>>801379
5/10
looks a little messy to me, no water lilies

>>801387
But, I hang my fishing gear on that and my cat likes to sit on it while I fish (it keeps her out of chicken molestation range).

>>801491
get rid of that ugly stump and keep your cat indoors.

>>801491
how the fuck does your cat sit on that?

>>801219

Did you grow them from seed?

How do you keep all those plants from getting any fungus/bacterial problems? With that much dense foliage, I'd figure you'd have something, but all your plants looks super healthy.

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>>801531
I agree with all of this but leave Nan out of it anon. Her suffering is surely deeper and more bitter than our own

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>>801537
You're right, that was rude of me.

when winter comes and outdoorgrowmen turns into indoorgrowmen will plont delete all the man-eating plant posts? because those were great

>>801219
>>801527
This. As far as I know he's from Holland, and they had even slightly worse weather than here.
My (mostly San Marzano) tomatoes are getting yellow spots on some of the lower leaves now after months of excessive rain so I fear for the worst (Phytophthora infestans), maybe he is growing heirloom stuff that has been selectively bred to withstand the wet Western European climate? (those usually have only very few and tiny fruits though) Will do so next year too probably at least for some plants

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>>801541
>outdoorgrowmen turns into indoorgrowmen

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>>801499
That's a tool and cats should never be indoors.

>>801560
details on this setup?

>>801560
Hnnnnnnnnnggg this makes my dickie tingle. Do you grow through the winter? If so, any tricks or tips? I'm buying a heater so my tropical plants can grow year round.

>>801230
So you grow tomatos and don't even fucking eat them? Where are you on the spectrum?

>>801584
>>801654
-2 layers of poly with black plastic gasline pipe between them and under them
-Baling twine is tied across them at the top to keep them from falling over.
-Sanded, black-painted 2-liter soda bottles and milk jugs filled with water are for thermal mass and are stashed everywhere there is space (photos show the unpainted ones at that time).
-Small box fan with small electric space heater in front of it.

When the weather starts to get cold the 1st layer of poly goes over. Colder still, the second layer goes on. This is enough to keep it very warm through the night so long as there are enough water bottles. Still colder and the heater gets turned on.

At that time, it didn't have air vents and the high humidity made things suffer. A better frame allows better access to the plants for care and harvesting. I had tomatoes in January, in snow, from volunteer plants.

I want to make end vents that use automatic arms that open when it is too hot (they use wax). I also need to get actual greenhouse plastic (UV protected) because that stuff in the photo is too old to be used now and is becoming brittle (non-UV protected HDPE).

If anyone has really old Homegrowmen threads somewhere, the entire thing from start to finish including all photos were posted. HDD crash too all photos from that timeframe and only those posted remain.

>any tips

Make everything large enough to walk in. lol

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>>801661
Thanks. I ate shit and just bought a greenhouse but the jugs seem like a good idea. Do you harvest tomatos through the winter?

>>801672
>Do you harvest tomatos through the winter?

Only when I decide to grow them. Cold weather crops are much cheaper. Stuff like greens, kale, brassicae, chickweed, lamb's quarter, and so on. Some winters I overwinter pepper plants, but it really isn't worth it for the varieties I use unless I make a better setup.

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>>801677
Aha that makes sense. Thank you.

>>801672
Oh and I'm saving up stuff to make a full sized greenhouse. Including 55-gallon blue water drums to hold water for thermal mass and act as table tops. They will be painted black as well.

>>801682
This photo is old but I'll probably be using the excess space in the center for water. Next year I'm building large wooden planter to go in the sides so I can grow everything without crowding it.

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>>801693
>>801682
forgot pic

>>801562
Lol cats should stay inside.if I saw that little invasive fuck eating a bird on my land it would be a dead kitty

>>801714
Naw plont is a faggot.

Where I live they kill an endangered gound-nesting bird. No collar I shoot on site on my property

>>801730
>>801713
I doubt your parents would allow you to even have a pea shooter.

>Have no problem killing voles/rabbits/etc. when it comes to them tearing up your garden
>When it's a cat, suddenly it's a huge issue
I don't understand you people.

>>801736
If cats (stray, feral, or otherwise) are destroying your flora, or a delicate or endangered native species, there's really no issue with trapping/plinking them. if you're doing it just as a justified excuse to kill a cat for your own funtimes you're just a sick dick.

it all has to do with acting with the greater good in mind.

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>>801730
It sounds like it's just time for your faggot ground-nesting birds to go extinct. By that logic we should be shooting dogs without collars too especially since they actually pose a danger to people.

>>801736
Domesticated cats were domesticated just like dogs to not only help rid us of pests but act as companions as well. You failing to recognize the difference between them and wild/destructive rodents strongly implies you have autism.

>>801785
Wild dogs actually do tend to be a danger, and by shooting them on sight, you help with overpopulation, so I see no reason not to kill wild dogs, as well as stray cats. They're both pests, and there's no longer really any need to keep filthy cats around just to kill rats or whatever, we're better than that now.

>>801800
>stray cats
As long as you're not an asshole and try to use a pellet gun, I'm okay with it.

>>801560

I would almost be tempted to sleep in that. How often do you have to use the heater? I've heard of people heating their greenhouses with nothing but compost.

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>>801527
I seeded them indoors in march and put them outside in mid-april.

I think it's because of the soil, it's growing in sand mixed with 20 years worth of decayed Thuja leaves and roots and I tossed some cow dung on it a while ago, the humidity should be too low for fungus.
>>801552
the area I live in lucked out and dodged most of the heavy weather, but there's been a lot of rain lately.

I tried to find the seed package, but I get like 1000 free sample seed packages a year so that's a lost cause.
>>801654
I like how they look.

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I took more pictures of dank tomatoes.

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>>801865
other than some tissue damage from the clothespins I use all of them look healthy.

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even my Solanum dulcamara is doing pretty well this year.

I weaved it's branches so I expected it to struggle a bit but it doesn't seem to care.

My sweet potatoes are growing really fast. Faster than I expected.

Will the speed at which I cover them with dirt affect their lifespan/yield? I read that you're supposed to put six more inches of soil on them every time they reach a foot tall, but my tallest is approaching two feet above the soil and I'm not able to build the potato box higher yet.

Will it be fine if I just fill the dirt in all at once when I can?

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>>801869
I plan to keep twisting branches around this until it's thick enough to support it's own weight like a tree.

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Do you grow banana threes? Mines are automatically watered over the night, they are doing well this year.
Pic related

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collected me sum dank Campanula rapunculus.

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>>801925
I like how their roots look.

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>tfw raspberry overload
Running low on freezer space

>>801800
You only trying to find reasons to justify your will to kill them. These reasons are shitty.
If you admitted you just want to kill them, that would be a sufficient reason and at least you would be honest with yourself (which you aren't right now).

>>801981
Making people like you mad is reason enough to kill every last feline out there in this world.

>>801919
wow what growing zone you in??

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>>801981
you don't need to justify getting rid of pest animals.

>Commelina tuberosa

>>802022
Hey plont why did everyone pile onto you last night due to your cat/stump comment? You seem like a passionate plant guy, which is what this community is all about

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>>801552
>Months of rain

Here's a few pics of tomatoes grown in the desert. Small $2 plants, planted about 7 weeks ago

This one is grown in an old compost pile. San marzano. It's about 4 feet wide

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German striped.

>>800923
Trees can just vary. Usually younger trees don't have great fruit, sort of blandly sweet, whereas older trees have much better flavored fruit. I've had ones off of huge old trees that tasted about like blackberries....

But still blackberries > mulberries any day

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>>802025
that's just a single shitposter, he's been banned over 50 times in the past 3 homegrown threads.

this is what his garden looks like, I'd be upset as well if my garden was that shitty.

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Another San marzano. This has over 50 tomatoes already on the vine

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>>802040
Yeah with more sun they really go faster
BTW I checked more closely on mine, and it seems the San Marzanos (which make up most of them) are actually barely affected, it's just the few Cherrola ones that have yellow/browning leaves.
I started mine indoors in February (+ a couple in December), then they got out around April 30, so around 8 weeks outside now, and the tallest one is like 1 meter maybe
Green fruit started appearing already 4 weeks ago on some, but nothing red yet

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>>802079
And one of the biggest fruits so far, about 7cm or so long

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Greenhouse update

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Babbys first tomato of the year. It's deformed.

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Muh Raspberry was almost kill just a few days ago but it didn't drop any fruit.

>>802107
Fuck me, It's a Coho not a Nova.

>>802019
What's a fucking growing zone?

>>802125
Zones determined by temperature ranges. IIRC, it is determined by average yearly low temperatures. USDA zone 10 is going to have a longer growing season than USDA zone 5, for example.

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>>801919
I brought these back from my road trip. The prickly pears were free.

>>802025
Bugguy is generally hated on /an/ because of his dislike of cats. He's a notorious cat killer, and definitely somewhere on the spectrum, but he also loves plants, so he's cool in my book.

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>>802086

Here's a close-up of that last plant. I only get about 8 hours of sun on these but it's a warm sheltered spot. Next ten days here are over 100F

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>>802125
Here m80

>>802140
Why is it so tiny?

>>802142
Because it's a piece of shit web image that took 40 seconds to post.

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>>801010
Why did you delete your response anon. I live at exactly 8,000ft and I want some of those seeds. Whats that guys name again?

>>801359
Use an empty cleaning spray bottle with water mixed with either garlic or rubbing alcohol. Water alone will make them go away but it won't kill them unless they drown directly. You can buy other types of mite that will eat them. Of course, you can always crush the little Red bastards. They love dry warm places.

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Is basil kill? First time growing so I don't really know if it's overwatering or a disease or how to treat it, if it is. The leaves are yellowing as well.

>>802140
My growing zone is the same as in Berlin, I'm the banana guy, the bananas won't survive the winter if your don't protect them

>>802149
Looks like fungus rot caused by over watering. Let it dry out a little bit and keep an eye on it.. If you really care, spray the base with anti disease and fungal spray.

>>802154
I'm the greenhousefag that lives in 4b, I know m8. I grew up in Houston and miss being able to grow fuckhuge banana trees but I'm growing dwarf varieties now.

>>802133
It has drawbacks though because it doesn't consider continentality.
Even being in 8a, and the last frost being on March 10 this year, first red tomatoes (early cultivars) won't be there until mid-July because it's an oceanic, cloudy and cool summer climate, so someone in 6 or so could already be more advanced if there's cold winters but hot summers
>>802138
Well I guess mine still have a long way to go then, and this particular cultivar won't be ready until late July
>>802149
desu it just looks like lignification (stems becoming woody), eventually happens
>>802154
You could try M. basjoo, but it will freeze back in most winters and then reshoot, plus growing season at least here isn't long/hot enough usually to get the fruit to ripen (for comparison olives take until December here and in very shitty years won't ripen completely to black)

>>802043
>>802076
Nice tomatos. Are you using ba'noodles to keep them propped up? Serious question.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLcvCH1h1qk

>>802155 how expensive is fungal spray? Are there sprays that do both?

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>>802149
>>802159
Also, here a pic of mine from last year, when they started to become woody

>>802166
If it is, I think it's too early in the process to tell for me, because it's very low on the stem. But thank you for the advice. I didn't know that basil did that.

>>802165
Letting it dry out may solve the problem. Unless you have multiple plants affected, you may be better off just buying a new basil plant. A bottle of spray runs about $9 ameribux.

>>802159

>lignification
Half of the diameter of the base is gone and the other side still appears to be green.

>>802149
Post a pic of the other side anon, It could possibly be insect damage(but not likely)

>>802169
I get that, but it's sentimental value for me; gf gave it to me as a gift. I know plants can die at the drop of a hat, but I'd like to make an effort before giving up on it.

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>>802174

>>802177
Reduce watering and spray that shit.

>>802178
I've actually been trying to reduce the amount of water, but I live in Texas, and this summer has been the wettest I've ever seen. The soil is still wet right now, but I haven't watered it in 3 days.

>>802184
>Last summer it felt like it rained every week
>This summer hardly any rain at all
Have you guys been stealing our rain?

>>800871
can you elaborate on this setup?

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>>802136
I don't harm cats.

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>>802195
plant species in the wall update.

Armeria maritima.
Asplenium ruta-muraria.
Asplenium scolopendrium.
Asplenium trichomanes.
Athyrium filix-femina.
Bergenia cordifolia.
Blechnum penna-marina.
Blechnum spicant.
Buddleja davidii.
Campanula cochleariifolia.
Campanula persicifolia.
Campanula portenschlagiana.
Campanula trachelium.
Centaurea montana.
Cymbalaria muralis.
Cyrtomium falcatum.
Dianthus chinensis.
Digitalis purpurea.
Dryopteris carthusiana.
Dryopteris filix-mas.
Euphorbia platyphyllos.
Galanthus nivalis.
Hedera helix.
Hemerocallis lilioaspodelus.
Hieracium maculatum.
Hylotelephium telephium.
Hypericum calycinum.
Hypericum perforatum.
Jacobaea maritima.
Jasione montana
Mentha gracilis.
Onoclea sensibilis.
Pachysandra terminalis.
Papaver rhoeas.
Polypodium vulgare.
Polystichum polyblepharum.
Salvia pratensis
Sedum acre.
Sedum album.
Sedum spurium.
Sempervivum sp.
Silene coronaria.
Tanacetum partenium.
Thymus serpyllum.
Tiarella cordifolia.
Tussilago farfara.
Verbena bonariensis.
Waldsteinia ternata

>>802195
I like how you didn't deny the being autistic part.

>>802199
IMO the people who try to start shit over cats are the bigger shitposters, most of Bugguy's posts are on topic until you get him started on cats.

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>>802201
I'm not autistic, just schizoid.

>>802203
Oh, that makes sense too.

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>>802163

They were out of jabronnies so I had to buy this off brand crap for $3

>>802201
Being autistic is a good thing if you want to accomplish anything

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>>802216
not really, their unemployment rate is like 85%.

it's higher than people with an actual mental handicap.

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What is eating my ground cherries and how do i stop it?
Anyone have experience using food grade diatomaceous earth for pests?

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>>802224
Same goes for my turnips but i think they are beyond saving and i need to dig these up and plant again.

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>>802224

ground cherries are very prone to pests

>Anyone have experience using food grade diatomaceous earth for pests?

waste of time outdoors, ok indoors

>>802224
looks like flea beetle damage.

>>802219
Bill gates, cuckerberg, Steve jobs etc. You are just a jelly tripfap

>>802224
Not surprised there are bugs there. With all that litter you made a nice home for them

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>>802234
they're rich and famous despite it, not because of it.

>>802227
Well i have a dilemma because most of my garden is used to feed captive animals. Everything from roaches to iguanas to emus so it is very important to avoid adding chemicals to the garden. Though i use sevin dust on the birds for mites and stuff i doubt the other animals would survive eating food that has had contact with it.
Even though the ground cherries are only for human consumption it seems risky.

>>802237
None of my other crops are having any issues but i see your point.

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>>802238
diatomaceous earth should work against flea beetles.

>>802241
Which camera do you use?

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>>802230
I just noticed this in my photo.

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>>802242
D3100 with stock 55mm lens.
>>802243
Phyllotreta.vittula, probably.

>>802250
>tfw the tortoise is kill

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>>802251
no it's doing pretty well.

the small one had some issues with his eyes earlier this year, happens pretty much every time he gets out of hibernation though.

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>>802254
>he prefers soulless, pea brained, cold-blooded reptiles over bro tier cats

Why am I surprised

>>802254
Also, that shit rek your garden faster than anything in existence.

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>>802267
>prefering toxoplasmosis over anything.

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>>802268
they can rek the plants in their enclosure all they want.

>>802269
At least I'm successful and I usually dominate my local autoX events. Not being a vagina is great.

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>>802274
nice, what do you drive?

>>802269
>>802271
Not calling you a vag, I just wonder what fuels the hate for cats here.

>>802271
How long do those pretty creatures live for? What species are they? I'm about to go to college and really want a reptile- mr. Plont seems to be THE guy for that here, combining the animal and vegetable kingdoms

Do they seem to have a bond with you?

Also, how do those plants outgrow their eating rate

>>802275
I'm jelly. I have a gutted e30 with a few bolt ons. I shat on a faggot in an e46 m3 last month.

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>>802276
I don't mind cats as long as they're indoors, when they're outdoors they're the number one garden pest.
>>802277
they'll outlive me.

>What species are they?
two agrionemys horsfieldii, male and female.
one Chelonoidis carbonaria female.

the Chelonoidis carbonaria currently lives with the other tortoises because I don't have space for a seperate enclosure, it was found by my neighbour last year, it's a feral.

>Do they seem to have a bond with you?
they come towards me when I got food for them, that's about it, they won't let you touch them without hissing.
>how do those plants outgrow their eating rate
they don't eat as much as you think.

this is their old enclosure, it was a bit more complex.

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>>802269
Flea beetle infestation guy here.
I also have shelled friends and a hatred for cats and dogs. But mostly dogs because they come on the property and chase my chickens and emus and the mutts often never leave the property alive.

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>>802282
I've also got a Graptemys versa male living in my pond.

there aren't a whole lot of feral dogs in the netherlands, luckily, those would be harder and more time consuming to remove.

>>802289
Ill take feral dogs over feral Muslims any day.

>>802291
d- deus vult?

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>>802291
why do you capitalize the latter like it has more value.

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>>802299
your phone needs to get it's priorities straight.

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>>802296
>>802299
>>802303
>>802311
I think we can all agree these cocksuckers need to fuck off.

On a lighter note, the flowers I planted 2 years ago are all coming back.

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>>802311
>What asshole gets a rooster in the middle of the suburbs?
my neighbour has a bunch, it's never bothered me much.

I've heard the whitetrash that's still sleeping at 11AM complain though, but they've always got a bunch of dogs running loose shitting everywhere so they don't have the right to complain.

>>802317
To be fair, the other birds are also all singing and shit at the ass crack of dawn, but I hate being woken up before the sun, and the rooster is always the first one to start.

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A random white one showed up a day ago.

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>>801552
Let me finally get around to post a picture of an infected(?) leaf of one of the 'Cherrola' tomatoes
(in hindsight those were probably a rip-off, pack had 10 seeds and cost €2.80 or so, only 5 germinated and only 3 survived seedling stage)
Next year I'm probably gonna try some heirlooms for cherry-sized

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>>802319
my neighbours roosters usually don't crow until like 7 am.

>my garden 1 year ago

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>>802325
Dear god, for that price at least order some special snowflake cultivars.

This is the site I order from, though I'm not sure if they ship internationally.

http://seedrack.com/

>>802325
>>802336
>not sure if they ship internationally

They do.

>>802291
>>802296
>>802299
>>802303
>>802311
>>802313
Hello /pol/

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>>802336
I'm send atleast 700 new cultivars a year and 90% of them are shit or just plain ridiculous.

>horticulturalist: 'lets produce a hybrid resistant to ants!'

>botanist:'but this species isn't known for having issues with ants'

>horticulturalist: just do it anyway, it'll look nice on the package!'

every fucking time.

>>802336
Well, I simply took the package while in the hardware store last December, only later realised how expensive it was and how little seeds there were in it
The San Marzanos on the other hand I had ordered only (pretty much no other way to get them here) and it was 40 seeds for €1.50 or so, so fair enough

>>802343
>ordered only
*ordered online

>>802055
>that's just a single shitposter,

It isn't.

>>800967
An inch of sand covering the soil will solve a gnat problem

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This wild shelled friend is laying eggs in my onions right now.

>>802400
What the actual fuck? That has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with being a terrible person. I have no idea where to begin with that one.

>>802400
>>802406
This isn't /pol/. Get the fuck out

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>>802393
And a scaled friend nesting above the garden.

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I finally found out what these were - Spartacus Habaneros. They've come on strong the past couple of weeks with the high temperatures.

>>802416
They look like something out of a Junji Ito comic. Or maybe something written by Lovecraft.

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>>802414
and butterfly weed since this is a garden thread.

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The plant is loaded with them! And this is just the first batch. My growing season lasts through October.

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Finally harvested the second half of my winter onions today, giving me some free space (just about 5 m^2)
Now there's been volunteer tomatoes sprouting and growing since early May in the nearby tomato plot because last November when removing the tomato stalks, I dropped a couple burst/moldy/otherwise unusable fruits there and didn't mind removing them so they seeded themselves out
So I took the 9 best-looking of those and replanted them in the now vacant ex-onion plot. Curious if they'll still get into fruiting before autumn, at least some of them are already flowering. Even if not, nothing of value is lost because the spot would've been empty otherwise as there's pretty much nothing you can plant here from seed that late (aside from stuff like corn salad, but this I will seed in the potato field once those have been harvested in July/August)

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Hello Jalapeno

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Cayenne - can't wait to harvest these. Great for dried pepper flakes. This plant is just getting started.

>>802410
>>802406
>>802400

This is a fucking gardening thread, GTFO

>>802431
t. Mehmet

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>>802194

Honestly it doesn't work like I hoped it would. I took apart another one I had and the worms don't migrate around the buckets they just compost in the tube.

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I noticed my rosemary plant was going a little yellow. Does this look like overwatering or underwatering? I felt like I was giving it a good amount.

>>802414
Holy hell, I was looking right at it and still had to stop a second before I knew what I was looking at. How do you not step on that?

>>802431
I thought it was a cat hunting thread

>>800934
Buy some mason jars and can it. Or freeze it. I'm lucky enough to own a trunk freezer for overflow but I reckon I could just as easily learn to can and keep it in my garage.

>>802159
It's not just that, but also temperature swings. I regularly get daily 40f temp swings. 50f is not unheard of, so I can literally have a day in April where anything that is mildly frost sensitive get killed by a 30f low in the morning, then have it hit 80f in the afternoon. This plays hell with some fruit trees if we have an early warm spell, followed by a cold snap.

I'm in 8b, and I had plums blossoming by March 10 and potatoes that I hadn't harvested last year pop up at about the same time. I'm not getting a single plum this year, and the potatoes suffered some frost damage. That was no big deal, but the heat wave this month where it hit 108f kinda fucked them up. They're pitiful looking right now.

>>802562
it's probably just shedding.

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>>802599
Oh yeah, last winter had an insanely mild November and December, this apparently caused the cherry plums and almonds to think it's a good idea to partially start flowering in late January
Now it never got seriously cold any more after that (one night went down to -2°C in early March), but I still notice those trees have barely any fruits.
No problem in that case though as they're only roadside ornamentals and/or wild growing in abandoned orchards/bushes and are generally not harvested

toda it's raining the whole day I can't garden I can't go bike ridding, but I have planted a paulowonia plantage this year, what do you guys thing about that?

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Last year I tried growing a pumpkin but non of them set; they just shriveled up and died. Is there any trick to keep this from happening or is it just a numbers game? Pick related is a blue hubbard.

>>802420
Just looking at this is making my mouth burn

>>802755
They probably weren't getting pollinated. If you aren't aware, squash (all cucurbits, really,) have both male and female flowers. The female flowers are at the end of a small just forming fruit. If a lack of pollination is the cause, you can fix it by ripping a male squash blossom off, ripping the petals off, and finding a female flower that has just opened and facilitating some good'ole plant sex.

>>802765
>ripping a male squash blossom off
I was aware of the male and female flowers but I thought the male flower had to open first before using it. Thanks

>>802772
Oh, it should open first. It's just easier to facilitate plant sex with the petals off. Actually, squash blossoms don't taste bad, so that's another reason to rip them off.

>>802562
more sun they like full 8+ hours, and dont water until it dries up

>>802782
direct sunlight; and only soak when its dry

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>>802562
That's almost the same symptoms mine had around the same time last year when it was severely overwatered (the pot was placed inside another pot, and that outer one had no drain holes so it was basically soaked for 6 weeks)
Now I don't wanna sound too pessimistic, but mine took months to recover, didn't really have any more growth the last year (only started flowering in September, green growth only started visibly in March this year)

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collect sum dank D. deltoides today.

>>802788
Yours seems over-watered to me (general yellowing, turning up, rotting/mellowing).
I don't find >>802562 one to be particularly pathological, that may be normal ageing. At worst a little magnesium deficiency (old leaves yellowing while news aren't), maybe tied to a light over-watering, but nothing I'd really freak about for the moment

>>802599
Same here. 10F with snow over night then 80F during the day; in April. Rare but it happens. Never anything on the news about it though.

Took some seeds out of the cherry tomatoes I bought at the supermarket, and planted them to see if they'd actually grow

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>>802857

>>802857
>>802859
Great now put one plant per 3-5 gallon container of soil.

>>802599
I feel you for temperature swings

Went from 66f to 17f in 2014

>>802861
>Great now put one plant per 3-5 gallon container of soil.
I'll do it tomorrow. Planned to do it yesterday/today before practice, but we had huge storms two day in a row. They've grown twice that size in the past few days - I don't know what I'll do with that many plants (or anything about cherry tomatoes in general), but who cares

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I was thinning out my White Spear parsnips yesterday and pulled up this bad boy. It measured 11 inches long, how big will they get by frostfall?

>>802870
eat them, give them away, sell some, preserve them

>>802755
>>802765
>>802772
>>802775
Just use a tiny paint brush and pretend you are a busy little bee and use the brush to move pollen from male flowers to female flowers.

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Do any of you have any experience with Rich Sweetness 132 Melons? I just bought some seeds and hoping i have enough time to grow a few this season. My first frost is around Halloween usually(Oct. 31)
I'm also going to plant some lemon cucumbers this week but im more optimistic for them.
"ncredible little melons from the former Soviet Union. The fruit are a beautiful red, striped with golden yellow and weigh only about ¼ lb! The flesh is pure white and quite sweet. These have a very refreshing taste and are very fragrant. They are perfect for single servings. These little melons are so much fun and great for children's gardens. The vines are very productive all season long. "

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Behold. This seasons first black krim dickbutt.

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What kind of tree is this? It has these pods.

>>802958
Catalpa

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How warm does thee garden spot get?

135F and the tomatoes and peppers are lovin' it

>>803017
>"do not place in direct sun"

>>803017
It regularly gets in the upper 90s here, and it hasn't rained since last month. We're supposed to be getting tons this week, though.

>>803017
Stupid rain/cold wave won't end here (has been going on since January). 15°C right now at 1:30am, earlier in the afternoon it barely got to 20°C
My bell peppers are still tiny as fuck despite me having started them indoors in late February, I probably won't get any fruit out of them this year

Found these on my raspberry plant today, good or bad?

>>803107
Doesn't look like anything to me. I don't think you need to worry.

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>>803107
Forgot pic

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>>803109

How quickly do tomato plants usually grow?
I got a roma tomato plant in a pot that's roughly a foot tall, but it's been that height for weeks, even after I transplanted it into the ground. It's not dying or anything, it's just not showing any noticeable growth.

>>803109
>>803110
What cultivar of potato did you use to take the photo? Seriously though, kill that shit.

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Couldn't wait and harvested a carrot. Turned out to be a janky one.

Something came and ate 3/4 of the eggplant seedlings I transplanted a few days ago. Bit them down to the stem. Feels bad man.

>>803109
You should be worried, anon.

>>803167
Why

any suggestions for strawberries?

I've heard people say they grow like weeds in their garden, but I have some in a pot and they're hardly doing anything

I'd like to transplant some suckers if it gives some

>>803111
ours usually grow like crazy....even in pots

>>803168
because raspberry patch is now fucked

>>803188
>That helps so much! Thank you!

I'll just search google

>>801981
keep your fucking shit cat inside and it wont get killed

pretty birds > your shit degenerate cat

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>>802919
>I promise not to let a single tomato from you go to waste!

>>803198
Birds don't matter, even endangered ones. If you are so worried about birds, stop skyscrapers.

Guys, I need help. I'm aware that this is probably a really dumb question but I can't find a proper answer anywhere. Do I harvest the entire petal with my veggies or do i snap it off at the top and leave the petal? This is my first year with a legit garden going and I'm pretty much learning everything online.

Awww man, aphids are going nuts on 2 of my plants. A tiny apple and my bell peppers.

How do i get rid of them without going for chemicals?

>>803349
Unleash the ladybugs

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>>803343
You mean peduncle for a fruit? I cut roughly in the middle, leaving a part of it on the plant (this way you avoid tearing up the plant stem, by example pulling too hard). The rest of the peduncle will eventually fall off the plant, given time.
If you mean petiole (for a leaf-veggie), I cut it at the junction between petiole and limbus (so end of the petiole, leaf's side). The rest of the petiole will also eventually fall off without damaging the rest of the plant.

>>803349
Spray them with soapy water, then rinse. Only water, with good pressure, is often enough. Also, what >>803381 said, and common green lacewing larva, hoverfly larva.
Pic related is a kind of ladybug (cryptolaemus montrouzieri) I found on my peppers. Not only it looks like scale insect, but it eats them too. It also eats aphids.

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So I planted some Roma tomatoes knowing that they aren't the best for eating, but holy shit, I've never tasted such an insipid, mushy terrible excuse for a tomato like this before.

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Finally some progress on my Cherrolas, first ones starting to redden, was about damn time

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This may be slightly off topic, but can anyone confirm if this mushroom is a Reishi?

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>>803536

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>>803537

>>803521
>I bought something I knew I didn't like and now I find out I don't like it

You sound like a crybabby

Anyone have any experience using bamboo for garden arcitecture? There is a plot of wild bamboo near my house that I'd like to take advantage of.

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When doing seedlings, if some pots fail to sprout anything do you guys reseed or wait?

>>803579
Don't. Don't do it. Please, don't do it.

>>803579
There's species/cultivars that don't spread much/almost not at all and then there's some that are worse than Japanese knotweed
So I wouldn't chance it with wild stuff

>>803579
>>803581
>>803584
I'm such a spazz I forgot to ask the question. My question is how long do I have to dry it to make sure it doesn't take over my lovely garden?

I found a muscadine vine the other day. Now all there is is to wait for it to ripen. I don't even like muscadines, but I keep trying them in case this is the year I finally start to like them.

>>803595
>He thinks he can stop bamboo once it's planted.
Your best bet would be to keep it in a pot if you really truly want bamboo in your near vicinity.

>>803584
That second type is the kind we have here. It's awful.

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My first garden is going okay.

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>>803628
I bought to much dirt and have given in the inevitable.

>>803111
Probably just in shock from transplanting. Just keep it watered and add nutrients if needed.

>>803536
>>803537
>>803540
Probably Ganoderma curtisii.

>>803349
Use a stiff spray of plain water. Just don't spray the leaves so hard it damages/discolors them. Do that once a day and blast the aphids right off directly.

>>803655
>cat leash
That's actually a thing? But then again it shouldn't surprise me, apparently on the other side of the pond child leashes are actually a thing too (try that here and you'll have the CPS on your ass a minute later - having cats on leashes will at the very least earn you some very disturbed looks too)

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>>803601
>implying bamboo never dies
Please. Someone who knows what they're talking about.

Will seeds fail to sprout at all if you plant them too close together? I planted 10 or so spinach seeds in a small tray, and only two have sprouted after a little over a week. I feel like they're probably too close together, but I didn't think it would kill them right out of the gate.

Should I wait for the others to sprout, or write them off and transplant the two that did grow into the ground?