Homegrowmen (Farming and Gardening) Thread #46

>>689979
US Farm Income and Taxes,
http://www.hobbyfarms.com/farm-marketing-and-management/farm-income-taxes-14991.aspx

US Grants and Loans for Small Farms,
http://www.usda.gov/wps/portal/usda/usdahome?navid=GRANTS_LOANS
http://afsic.nal.usda.gov/farms-and-community/grants-and-loans-farmers
http://www.nal.usda.gov/afsic/pubs/funding.shtml

Managing Risks on Your Small Farm,
http://agr.wa.gov/Marketing/SmallFarm/managerisk.aspx

Chicken info and forum,
http://www.backyardchickens.com

Rabbit guide
http://www.agriculture.gov.tt/publications/manuals/rabbit-production-a-producer-s-manual.html

A public access seedbank for many types of rare or endangered plants; both edible and ornamental,
http://www.jlhudsonseeds.net/index.htm

Organic and heirloom selections:
http://sustainableseedco.com/
http://www.seedsofchange.com/
http://www.johnnyseeds.com/

Potato, Sweet Potato, and Tubers seed bank (free, but requies filling out forms and waiting in line):
http://www.cipotato.org/

Awesome interactive plant/gardening maps for USA, Canada, France, UK, BC, (frost dates, temp zones, etc):
http://www.plantmaps.com/index.php

Sprout seeds and info:
sproutpeople.org

Insect Habitats for attracting polinating bees, predatory/parasitic wasps, hibernating ladybugs, butterflies, etc.
http://www.inspirationgreen.com/insect-habitats.html

Toad and Hedgehog Habitats,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JetkWtw7Jc
http://familycrafts.about.com/od/frogcrafts/a/How_To_Make_A_Toad_Village.htm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/breathingplaces/hedgehog_home/
http://www.britishhedgehogs.org.uk/leaflets/L5-Hedgehog-Homes.pdf

Chili Peppers
http://www.fatalii.net/

More on Aquaponics & Aquaculture,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=26xpMCXP9bw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=_WgfaJjvfxA
http://www.appropedia.org/Aquaponics

Sourcing plants from the grocery,
http://www.diyncrafts.com/4732/repurpose/25-foods-can-re-grow-kitchen-scraps

First for growing pumpkins inside

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What are the chances this is legit for $30? 1:100,000,000,000?

>>690019
buy a cfl

>>690019

looks sketchy, though the wattage is low which might help explain what's going on there

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>>690024
>though the wattage is low which might help explain what's going on there
80W is very high for one of those. Especially at that price. While it looks large enough to in theory be legit, I doubt it's actually an 80W power draw.

>>690033
It is probably 1.4-1.5amps. 80w seems fine. The only non-legit thing would be the person selling it. Just double check the wording of the descriptions and stuff. Make sure they are not selling the shade for the light or some bullshit like that.

>>690019
>>690033
>>690036
I think it might just be 80W equivalency and not 80W draw. Which means it's just a ton of really low power LEDs. I can get a 12W with contained LEDs that comes out to ~80W equivalency and it isn't a fire hazard for $20, so I may do that.

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Is my lemon balm afro good?

Planted it mid-summer last year. Kept it outside till september, because seasons. It grows much better inside the house.

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Hey m8s, I need a shovel for digging sod and busting clay, what do I need to look for? Was thinking something like pic related.

>>690144
it looks kind of all over the place.

>>690144
Looks good anon, you thinking about repotting it soon?

guys , how do i get into this ?
gardening in general.

I started to accumulate plants in my room but I don't know much about them. I water them when they look like they need it and sometimes try to plant some pices I ripped from other plants (sometimes successfully).

Is there a book that helped you personaly out ?
I'd love to get more into this but the "gardeningscene" seems to be made up op everybodys mother and aunt and they seem to be looking for a different experience then I am.

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>>690176
It'd help if you wrote about which plants interested you and which you already have. Also whether you have a garden or if it is just your room?
>and they seem to be looking for a different experience then I am.
What kind of experience are you looking for?

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Trenchanon here with the 3-week update.

The zucchini have eploded in growth and I've alread harvested 3 of the berries so far and there are 5 or 6 more maturing at the moment.
Silverbeet transplanted ok and needed a bit of shadecloth over them as the sun was really harsh for a couple of days there, one of the plants almost didn't make it. There's a sneaky cherry tomato in there too if you can spot it.
Herbs are doing well, growth has been reasonable on the Mediterranean herbs and all 40 basil plants survived.
All up I've only had to water it 3 times so far and that was just liquid fert, so the irrigation is working great!

All is well, except that the grass is trying to intrude in the trench due to the abundance of water in an otherwise dry yard; not entirely sure what to do about that and poison is not an option at this stage. Have cut the grass on the lowest mover setting, hopefully that'll stress it out some and at least slow it down.

>>690176
What/where were you looking at growing and how much room do you have anon?

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>>690161
A spade head shovel like that is perfect for clay soils. Sharpen the blade for maximum effect.

>>690189
>gif
>not animated gif

You can use MSPaint or GIMP to save that as a jpg and have it in 2x2 format or more.

FYI, I'm mad jelly. There's still a few inches of snow on the ground here (pic fully related).

>>690176
>guys , how do i get into this ?

Just do it, do everything, screw up everything, learn, don't get your hopes up too high at first, because you'll probably kill a lot of stuff before you learn the basics.

>they seem to be looking for a different experience then I am.

I farm and garden for food. After that main reason everything is a hobby. Thankfully, farming and gardening are something I like as a hobby.

What experience are you looking for?

>Is there a book that helped you personaly out ?

Nope. Just do a google search of whatever plants you have or want to have. Research how to take care of them. Go from there. The more sources you look at the more you will understand. Remember, for most average plants all you need is soil, water, a container, and compost (fertilizer).

Hey /out/

I want to try and grow Kiwi fruit.

Any tips?

I hear the fruit is from Asia and I'm from Asia.

>>690235
you can use a chopsticks to eat it

>>690213
I just saved it as a GIF because that seemed to be the only way to get the file small enough while keeping them collated and not shitting up the post count with a 4 pic dump.
Those beds look good anon, how do you water them and what are you growing this year?

As for the other anon looking into gardening, I posted a link to the Utah university extension service which has pdf docs on how to grow a good variety of veg, it's a good free resource.
Learning how to raise plants from seeds and cuttings/grafts is an indispensable skill and worth learning, after they're in the ground, you just need irrigation in some form, mulch, feeding and the management of both pests and beneficial organisms.

Sounds like a lot to take in, but for most plants it's quite easy and straightforward to grow them. If you want reading, anything on permaculture and efficient gardening will stand you in good stead.

You could always get involved with a garden club or something similar, then you can learn about what varieties are proven to grow well in your area, when you need to plant them and lots of other useful info and experience that you might not be able to learn otherwise.

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>>690235
If you live in a coldish area, get hardy kiwi (Actinidia arguta). They tend to grow rather well and be an easy plant to grow. The only drawback is that they are smaller than the tropical variety. Here's a comparison.

>>690241
I see.

I live in a very sunny area. It's almost drought season here as well.

Will any soil do? Like soil from my backyard any good? I hear they need soil that can retain water.

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>>690240
I use IrfanView to resize pics to 1024x768, MSPaint to Collage them together then IrfanView to make sure it is under the 5000x5000 res limit and 4-5MB file size limit. That's how I create images like this, for the specific purpose of keeping the superfluous post count down.

>Those beds look good anon, how do you water them and what are you growing this year?

Thanks. Watering is done by hand and by sprinkler. When I get around to it, I'll have under-mulch soaker/drip hoses. One bed will be all asparagus, planted from last season's seed (Martha Washington I think?) I already tested them out from seed last year and they are extremely prolific. One bed will be nothing but elephant garlic, planted from bulbils which sprouted roots almost instantly. Both plants are already planted, I did that in the fall. I have a strawberry bed that needs thinning out so I may spread some of those plants around. I'm still digging out potatoes as I need them.

Off hand:
A few types of field corn (especially painted mountain and bloody butcher.)
Salad greens, kale, chard, chickweed, a dozen of more wild greens (I eat the "weeds.")
Purple potatoes, Yukon Gold potatoes
Lambs quarter
Pumpkin
Tomatoes
Carrots
Tomatillos

I have tons and tons of seeds.

>>690244
>Will any soil do? Like soil from my backyard any good? I hear they need soil that can retain water.

Each variety is a bit different. I suggest reading up on them and comparing their needs to your specific environment. As with anything, you just shove them into the ground and keep the watered. No matter what plant it is, don't let its soil dry out.

I'm putting my garden under an old clothes line this year. I've used aquaponics in the past and this is my first year in soil. I already have garlic from bulbils and cloves in the ground currently, and I need to know what's the best way to trellis these tomatoes from the clothes line? I have 8 ft tomato stakes if I need to use them I'll get pictures up at a later date.

I live in a dorm. Is growing anything beyond herbs feasible?

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I was given a ficus ginseng bonsai quite a while ago (2 years ago I think?) and I'm having trouble keeping it healthy: it never grew, it doesn't feel firmly rooted, it doesn't have a lot of leaves (kinda like this stock photo) and the few it produces immediatly fall when they reach their full size.

It's potted in a regular flower pot (17cm ⌀) with store bought bonsai soil, I use regular fertilizer sticks from time to time and I wait before the soil is completely dry to thoroughly water it. I also wash the leaves from time to time when they get too dusty.

What am I doing wrong?

>>690304
It really depends on how much artificial light you give the plants and how much space you can use. You can grow anything you want.

>>690322
You have to repot bonsai every year. Some tree species need to be reported twice a year. You have to comb the roots and remove some to allow them to regrow.

Never ever allow the soil to go dry.

http://www.bonsaiboy.com/catalog/ginsengcare.html

It should be noted that when a bonsai is placed in a bonsai pot its growth will be severely limited. Which is the intention.

>>690172
Might repot it around spring.

Also, gonna start growing a lot of other herbs and useful-plants.

>>690322
> it never grew
that's because all of those 'thicker' branches that are on it, are actually grafted onto it, it never grew them naturally.
>it doesn't feel firmly rooted, it doesn't have a lot of leaves
that's also because they're poorly grafted.

you're not doing it wrong, they're just grown like that, they're not build to last,
>>690337
that only applies to bonsai, this is a grafted ficus stump that's never received any sort of wiring or training in general.
>a bonsai is placed in a bonsai pot its growth will be severely limited
not really, certain growths are limited but the growth of healthy feeder roots is encouraged.

>>690344
How do you know it is grafted? That photo is just from the internet. Also, it seems you don't know much about bonsai.

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>>690347
they're always grafted, you can look into it if you'd like.

I'm pretty sure I'm the only one that grows bonsai here, but I tend to sell mine once I'm done with them.

>>690349
here http://www.bonsaiempire.com/basics/cultivation/grafting-trees

it's a stump with some grafted branches.

>>690344

>>690322 here

There is nothing I can do then? I feel almost bad for the little fella.

>>690352
try repotting it, don't treat it like a bonsai because it isn't.

the roots might be rotting, that's common with stumps, they'll abandon the big roots they had before they were pruned down.

>>690354

Got it. Should I repot it in a wider pot (since the roots don't seem to go really deep) or is it unnecessary?

>>690361
wider would probably be better, besides being a seedling trees don't really seem to grow downwards much.

what kind of soil do you plan on using?

>>690362

>>what kind of soil do you plan on using?

Good question. I still have some of that bonsai soil and I can add my own compost if need be.

>>690367
I use cocopeat with a slow release fertilizer for most of my beginner stumps.

>>690090
>it's just a ton of really low power LEDs

yes, looks that way

>>690090
>I think it might just be 80W equivalency
this

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>>690349
>I'm pretty sure I'm the only one that grows bonsai here

Lurk moar. Especially, since the subject matter was started by someone who owns one and was looking for advice.

>>690354
>>690362
This is all incorrect. bugguy literally has no clue what he's talking about. Never listen to his advise. He's trolling you.

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>>690516

Lately (as in the past couple weeks, not today) it seems he might be intoxicated. If he's trolling, he does a good job of seeming like he really believes what he says. Example: "I'm pretty sure I'm the only one that grows bonsai here" seems like a very bugguy full of himself thing to say. But maybe we just don't appreciate the hilarious dutch humor of it all and he's actually and OK guy. Maybe all the shithead one-way conversation has a subtle nuance of him actually being a pretty good guy who has functioning ears and eyes and we're just not picking up on it.

>>690349
>I'm pretty sure I'm the only one that grows bonsai here
I sort of do lazy asshole bonsai.

>>690532
>But maybe we just don't appreciate the hilarious dutch humor of it all and he's actually and OK guy

He himself has used ethnicity as an excuse multiple times over the years. It is bullshit.

Can anything be made into a bonsai? I've got a couple of wild cherry/european ash/european larch/buxus saplings growing around my land. Would any of those be good for that purpose?

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>>690349
>they're always grafted, you can look into it if you'd like.
grafting is used to bring growth back downward IF the type of plant being used is not capable of back budding OR doesnt cope well with hard pruning

>>690539
boxwood and larch i know are fairly common

>>690537
>over the years


How long has he been posting?

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>>690545
I think as long as /out/ and /an/ have been around, not really sure.

>>690539
Pretty much. Trees/shrubs that have massive leaves or compound leaves like pinnatisect pattern are more difficult to get the leaves as small as they need to be to get the right effect. However, you can use fewer of the larger leaves to signify a group of leaves. Plants that don't bud out or regrow roots well are also not as good. Super fast growing species are great for learning the basics very quickly, but a pain in the long run.

The species you list will work well enough each has its own eccentricities though..Just google up some specific research like, "wild cherry bonsai."

I miss all my old bonsai (like this one). I only have one left. I wish I took more photos.

>>690539
alot of sites recommend succulents or indoor herbs

>>690552

/an/ was around when I thought 4chan was /b/. /out/ was more recent. I think that I was one of the first 50 posts. I can't recall exactly when, but I think it's less than 2 years old. It could be more than 3, though. Real life and 4chan are totally separate in my mind.

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Guys, this is a male flower on the pumpkin plan I've been growing inside since Christmas

Did I totally stunt this plant? It's tiny!
Playing card for scale

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My leek seedlings are really taking off. They seem to have higher viability than the onions in the pot t on the right.

>>690568
More light is needed.

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>>690568
I took the seeds for this plant out of one of these pumpkins

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>>690571
I do this with a normal fluorescent And keep it by a south facing window. I'm at 46°N

I ordered a proper grow light though

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>>690568
more light thats all

>>690576
>>690571
Will the flower still produce good pollen? I was going to keep it and hope I can get a female flower soon

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>>690568
>pumpkin plan I've been growing inside
Glad you're still around m8

>>690575
>>690568
ithink it because of light cycle it may have prematurely flowered

>>690580
I keep the light off at night though. Some nights I've left it on if I didn't come home for reasons, but I think a couple nights of light shouldn't fuck it up too much

>>690568

Light and nitrogen for the stems and leaves, in tiny pots larger curbits flower quick regardless.

I'd just cut that bitch back to a couple leaf nodes and cut all bloom stems at this point and stick a bright light about 1 inch from it, avoiding too much heat with a fan if needed.

Maybe start over with good light, curbits should do their thing quick.

>>690578
i just read that early male flowers are always lost
http://www.allaboutpumpkins.com/growing.html
>section near bottom " blossoms: "

>>690575

That's way too high.

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>>690588

>>690583
its perfectly fine see:
>>690587

>>690589

:D

>>690587
Okay thanks, I'll try and keep the pollen if I can though, then I'll just keep cutting back all other flowers until I get some female flower.
If I can pollinate a pumpkin inside, I can die.

Has anyone here ever grown purslane before? I'm going to trial it this year as cut and come again greens for the early Summer.

How did it grow? How did it taste? Any pest issues? I want the succulent details.

Been looking at fruit tree catalogs lately. Has anyone tried quince or persimmon?

>>690661
>quince
really fucking good for liqueur, inedible raw, hard to kill

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>>690644
I do. it is great. Biggest pest in mine has been leaf miners. Terrible things. I found that if you heavily companion plant them with something taller they try their best to stand up to reach the light and have less leaf miners too. The ones in full sun by themselves flattened out a great deal and were ate up with leave miners. You may want to grow it in hanging pots to help prevent leaf miner.

When fresh, they are kind of slimy when you chew them up. Sorta like aloe, if you've ever eaten it.

>>690578
The pollen is good, save it on a q-tip for later when the female flowers bloom.

>>690575
Keep the light as close to the leaves as possible without being so close it burns them from bulb heat.

>>690594
>If I can pollinate a pumpkin inside, I can die.

Oh you will, anon, you will....

>>690661
bugguy? ive never heard of any of these

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>>690661
Quinces are fantastic, I'm looking at growing one but it's summer here now. If it's winter where you are, you should pick yourself up a double grafted tree and espalier it against a south facing fence with drip irrigation and loads of straw mulch.

I hear they need about 4-6 weeks to cure after being picked and that some people even salt the stems to stop mold and rot etc. Once they're cured it's all gravy though; they're top tier for preserving.

On an unrelated note, is my rhubarb strong enough to transplant? What spacing do the plants need?

Hey /out/ I want to get into horticulture. What's a good beginning plant to work with this time of the year? I live in Southern California.

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>>690512
that's not a bonsai, that's a stump, bonsai is the finished product.
>>690540
that's with mature bonsai, with ficus it's used to create a branch structure quickly.
>>690539
you can always try.

>>690668
they're pretty uncommon.

a lot of great fruit is uncommon: http://www.30bananasaday.com/profiles/blogs/list-of-uncommon-cold-hardy-fruit-trees-gardening-zones-3-7?xg_source=activity
>>690661
persimmon is delicious, it has a sweet walnut like taste.

I use them for smoothies.

Does anybody here dry their produce? I'm looking to get a electric dehydrator for my fruit.
Also in the case of air/sun drying how do I prevent the food from spoiling?

>>690789
Those are kittens, not bonsai.

>>690809
>they're pretty uncommon.

They are very common actually and you can find them in most tree catalogs.

Also, you are posting a link that says "gardening" when it is for fruit trees you eat the fruit from. Hypocrite.

>persimmon is delicious, it has a sweet walnut like taste.

Confirmed for never having tasted persimmons.

>>690827
If you are buying an electric dehydrator, simply don't overload it. Overloading it is the #1 problem people have with their food spoiling before it is properly dehydrated. Another tip is to plan it with the weather, don't dehydrate during raining days. Winter is normally the best time to use an electric dehydrator because the ambient humidity is normally rather low. Summer months in many places can be very humid. For solar dehydrators everything is backwards since you need sunny days with nice weather, regardless of humidity. It is all about airflow and temperature levels.

Also, food preparation and preservation is more of a >>>/ck/ thing. Though, they tend to only know about fast food over there.

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Anyone ever planted artichoke? Saw the seeds at the seed rack at Lowes and decided to give them a try., Also planted some pampas grass, gonna try to line a portion of my driveway with it.

A side note, ive seen alot of pics with foil being used as a reflector. After alot of reading and personal experience, i now only used white posterboard for my reflection surfaces. mylar and foil have so many surfaces that are crinkley and actually reflect all over the place where you lose out on light. Something to look into gardenbros.

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Id like to share a pic I took several years ago, once you get into gardening as a serious hobby, you start to see some amazing things. The number of critters and creatures ive seen, just another part that makes it worth it.

>>690748
Get a China pet

>>690913
>and you can find them in most tree catalogs.
you can find most fruit trees in most tree catalogs.

if you can't you're reading a shitty catalog, apply yourself.
> a link that says
I didn't create the link.

shouldn't you be shitposting on /an/? or did all of your proxys get banned.

>>690913
>Confirmed for never having tasted persimmons.

They taste like black walnuts, cloves, and honey to me. Mosly cloves, though. It's his personal taste buds, persimmons could taste like fruit loops to someone else.

On that note, thier are some hardy persimmons good to zone 5. Problem is is rhats very difficult to find a true dwarf hardy persimmon. The only ones I've found are partial dwarf, 8-10', while I want the smaller dwarf 6-8'. Anybody see one of those?

>>691061
you can just prune them you know.

>>691083
The community garden where I grow only allows dwarf trees, no semi dwarf. If I, god forbid, could no longer take care of it the tree would easily overtake my small plot and encroach on others, leaving them with the chore of removing the damn thing.

>>691096
why would you grow a tree if you only have a small plot of land?

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>>689979
Is this the proper place to ask about growing dank weed and magic mushrooms?

I'm serious.

>>691061
They taste like fruity caramelized sweet potato.

>>690968
>shouldn't you be shitposting on /an/? or did all of your proxys get banned.

You're paranoid, bro.

>you can find most fruit trees in most tree catalogs.

Hence their not being, "pretty uncommon."

>>691096
You can get, "Dwarf Persimmon Trees." Try, "Ichi-Ki-Kei-Jiro", and, "Suruga," varieties.

>>691107
No, try /b/ and 420chan.org

>>691110
Too late, I'm already downloading the magic mushroom links in the OP. If that is ok, you must be ok with otherwise normal questions that are related to pot.

So does anyone have a good start point for pot? And is there any real advantage to indoor/outdoor growing if you live in a totally legal place?

>shrooms
Anyone done a PF Tek setup before or know how a total begineer should start (for learning properly)? I have 0 experience growing mushrooms.

>>691110
>try /b/
fuck youself

>>691117
>downloading the magic mushroom links in the OP
Please stop, This is not what this thread is for and it will be shut down if those links are added.

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>>691123
>nonsense sentence
put down da shrooms mang

>>691123
>if those links are added
I'm already seeding back YOUR links.

>>691108
>Hence their not being, "pretty uncommon."
that they're in a catalog doesn't mean they're commonly used.
>>691107
weed is a shit tier herb.

>>691100
Why not? I like fruit trees. Friend of mine has a father with a full orchard in his average suburban backyard. It can be done.

Although, as it turns out, the plot I have is actually pretty big-25'x25'-so I suppose I wont have to worry about it taking over, all the same I'd rather not have it shade other plants or be a bitch to get rid of if need be.

>>691130
What are some better herbs then? No spice or spices please.

>>691117
Well, technically you can talk about growing weed and shrooms here, but no one has much intrest in it and I doubt anyone currently here has grown either. You'd have more luck on a forum specifically designated to it.

>>691134
it's a waste of space, having trees in a small or average garden makes the garden look small and creates a shit ton of garbage for you to clean up, and that's if you don't have a lawn otherwise you'll be dealing with a shit ton of moss as well.

you could always just get an average tree, prune it late winter and pretend it's a dwarf, I have a lot of customers with fruit trees that want to keep them small, most of those are apples and pears though.

>>691137
salvia.

just as good if not better as weed and often legal to grow.

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>>691134
u should mak a fernwall, thats why

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>>691144
you need 99 farming for that, he's like 65.

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>>691138
>I doubt anyone currently here has grown either

>>691142
>salvia is better than weed

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>>691150
>weed is better than salvia.

>>691137
Kava kava and valerian. Valerian is easy to grow, but kava is more potent in my experience. Both have a calming, sedative effect. Good for anxiety and helping with insomnia. I make a tea with it when I have to occasional bout of insomnia to break the pattern, and I sleep really nice when I have a strong cup of it. Both are legal, and unlike most sleep aids, they are not habit-forming.

Kava, when taken in high enough quantity, promotes a very strong feeling of relaxation and contentment, like weed but without the giggles or munchies.

>>691155
>Kava kava
There's a million varieties of it that are all reported to be for different things. What varieties do you grow?

>>691157
I've only grown valerian, as I have a rather cold clime and not enough indoor heat or light for tropicals. The kava was just from the local health food store, dried and ground, unfortunately without a label designating what variety.

Obviously, neither of these will give you the classic 'high' that weed or shrooms will, but they are effective at calming you the fuck down after a stressful day.

>>691155
> promotes a very strong feeling of relaxation and contentment, like weed but without the giggles or munchies.
sounds like the milder salvia species.

I imagine it tastes better though, salvia tastes kinda like hair spray.

>>691150
Show of hands: how many of you have grown pot or psychedelic mushrooms?

>>691161
It tastes woody and somewhat bitter. I mix it with other, more pleasant tasting teas like lavender or chamomile. My current tin is a mix of valerian, kava kava, lavender and chamomile. Half a tea ball full and a dash of honey, and I'm out like a light.

>>691162
I have raided many weed gardens.

>>691162
canada here: weed grown multiple times in/out

>>691155
>Kava kava
acute liver injury?
No thank you

>>691168
Reveal to me your secrets.

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>>691172
put the seed in the dirt

>>691171
That's extremely rare man. I've used it for a year for occasional bouts of insomnia, no fatigue or jandice. Granted, its like once or twice a month I use it, not like every day, and its like half a teaspoon of it or less each time. Dont use it if your on any prescription meds, since it might intereact, but thats the same with a lot of other supplements.

What about Kratom?

>>691182
I don't think it's the kava from what I've just researched but what's being sold as kava. Too bad there isn't a way to assure it really is.

>Seed seller offering store credit for a photo of a tree I have in my yard
>It's Winter so the thing is totally bare
Fuck.

>>691176
What is your position on rakins?

>>691188
Thats...unsettling.

>>691230
https://youtu.be/QHQ7bt5LBj8?#t=26s

>>691167
What country?

>>691275
US

>>691167
>I have raided many weed gardens.
You know, there's a real problem with people breaking into houses or taking a machete to topiary plants thinking they're drugs. Japanese maples and cactuses in particular.

Fucking pot heads, druggies, and bugguy shitting up another thread.

Keep this shit out of Homegrowmen threads. It isn't the place for it.

>>691336
I was actually very good and careful. Don't bite the hand that feeds and all. Just took what I needed... for about a year.

Used to raid my neighbor's veggies gardens as well. Yeah, stupid youth.
Never did any damage, didn't overdo it.
Couple of carrots, a few toms
Bag of apples, few bunches of grapes.
Left the bunnies and fowl alone.

>>691336
Wait, were they anti-pot and trying to destroy it, or idiot druggies trying to steal it?

>>691202
Pity. Maybe you could send them a photo anyways? I mean, technically it is a photo, even if its a photo of a currently lifeless stick.

>>691117
from my understanding cheaper to get started, but you're at the whim of the sun for when your plants decide to bud. Also bugs/disease is easier for your plants to get.

Indoor growing you can make your plants bloom whenever, have complete control over nutrition, water, etc, and can keep a closer eye for bugs/thieves/cops (because we all know you're not doing it legally)

>>691061
I'm in Minnesota. Jung's seed catalog has hardy varieties of persimmon, quince and stone fruit I'm looking at. I have some family land in an area that's not much good for crops that I hope to get some fruit growing in.

How long does it take for burdock to grow a sufficiently large sized root? What about dandelion?

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>>691609
Snip it off, save the pollen, and then stuff it with rittacota cheese and fry it. Trust me, its delicious.

>>691167
dude weed lmao

>>691633
I'll cut it off once it blooms

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>>691609

>>691516
I am doing it legally, that's why I am considering outdoor. I am turned off by the idea of thieves though, I've never worried about thieves of any kind where I live and I don't want to start, so meh.

I was looking for a practice crop too, tomatoes seem to be a good learner, would any pot growers agree?

>>691605
Burdock is a first season crop like carrots, parsnips, and queen anne's lace. Dig them up in the fall. If you wait till the next year the tuber won't be good for eating. It will get woody. The best advice I have is to plant the burdock in the tallest mound of soil you can. Much like a potato hill. This allows you to dig them up much easier.

If you are harvesting dandelions for their roots you can dig them up in the fall of any year. They normally reach their full size in a year or two.

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>>691666

Never grown pot, but for any beginning grower tomatoes or herbs are a great place to start. I recommend cherry toms and basil first. Get one of those small, windowsill greenhouses with the peat pucks (they look like little brown hockey pucks) Just follow the instructions on the seed packet and the green house. Stick the whole setup on a heat mat-do NOT cover the heay mat with a towel or put a towel under it, or it will overheat-in a sunny window that gets at least 6hrs of sun.

If you dont have a sunny window, you can wait just until the seeds have sprouted, and stick them in a box lined with foil with a lamp with a bright, white bulb shining down on them. Hydrophonic stores will have the lights you need. If you have no hydrophonic stores, local nurseries and hardware stores may have them as well.

Pop the clear top once they sprout, and afterwards keep moist by gently watering and misting. Once the little seedlings have out grown the pots-you can see the roots on the side of the peat-put them in a container about twice the size, in regular potting soil. Now that they're bigger, water a little less frequently, waiting until the soil is just barely dry to the touch on the top, and then water. Every other time you water, add a tiny bit of fertilizer, making sure you follow the dosage info on the side of the bottle (usually something like 1-2 teaspoons per gallon) Use something gentle, like fish emulsion or seaweed extract.

Every time they outgrow a pot, replant into something twice the size. You can tell this when you can see the roots trying to poke through the drainage holes.

All of this info can most likely be applied to growing pot plants, but experiment with cheap plants fist. Start small, with a max of 5 plants until you get more confident.

My dogs dug up all my plantings again. I hate those stupid worthless fuckers. I give up on gardening

>>690189
Sweet

>>691935
Thanks, and this should probably be in the OP pasta in some way.

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>>691935
Oops, for some reason I was trying to report another thread and accidentally reported this post somehow. Sorry.

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>>691943
>My dogs dug up all my plantings again.
12 cents

>>690968
Wtf is wrong with you? Are you schizophrenic? You accuse everybody of being a certain person and using proxies?

>>691943
Use fencing.

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>>691816
Dear god.

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>>692033
It closed again
Is it done?

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>>692045
I cut the pollen out of it

>>692047

oh god

>>692050
is it wasted now?

>>692051

Do you see any pollen falling from it?
It's probably fine either way, it should flower a whole lot more as long as it stays alive.

>>692053
I saw a bit but you can see in the pic the node is still covered

I'm banking on a female flower to pollinate
Plant sex turns me on

>>691943
Our two always like to scratch up the lawn, especially on spots where it was damaged by summer drought and new seedlings are still weak. I can't afford this much fence to cover up those spots, as last summer has left huge areas burnt. Also just today they felt like they had to dig out the sensitive young jade leaf cuttings inside which were sitting in a 40cm tall pot

>>691943

Motion-activated sprinkler. Keeps them out, and come with the added bonus of it being fucking hilarious when they yelp and streak away in terror when they get spritzed. Works on deer, rabbits, squirrels, etc. Get ones that can be turned off remotely and have a really powerful jet so it almost takes off a layer of skin.

Or, you could put shock collars and bury wire around the perimeter, and flags along the wire. Easier to put up than a fence, and teaches the little shits GOOD. My puppy only got shocked once and learned those flags mean pain.

>>692064

Ok, yeah if you had some pollen it's good. Good luck. It's probably mad at you now.

>>692033

Those are some awesome effects for a 1986 movie.

Whats the best way to pump up rain water into an elevated tank without having an electric pump? Something that does the job 'for free'. Its just to water my garden.

>>692195
An electric pump

>>692195
I honestly wonder if a waterwheel could somehow work

>>692195
You could easily rig a siphon system up. Just like with stealing gas, you nigger, you would need a way to prime the pump. Instead of your DSLs, you should use something like a handpump and have it in the section of hose. The close to the end, where you want the water to come out, the better.

Yes this should be doable without you having to be at the elevated tank, you just need to think about it more to see how.

Quick question, not sure if this is the right thread but I didn't want to start a new one.

I got a phalaenopsis orchid on valentines clearence. It's in a pot about the size of a coffee cup (it won't even stand up on it's own, the flowers are so heavy) so I want to re-pot it when it's done blooming. I have a bunch of cypress mulch that I use for my snake's terrarium, would that be okay to use for it? Not the used stuff of course. Or should I buy a proper bag of orchid mix?

>>692197
thats not free

>>692198
yea something like that wold be perfect

>>692217
i cant syphon that shit, i just need to get some amount of pressure into a hose so i need to take the water from the rooftop downspout, run it across the garden and get it into an elevated tank (and no, i cant have the tank up near the house, it just doesent fin anywhere in a nonretarded way)

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>>692228
>i cant syphon that shit, i just need to get some amount of pressure into a hose so i need to take the water from the rooftop downspout, run it across the garden and get it into an elevated tank (and no, i cant have the tank up near the house, it just doesent fin anywhere in a nonretarded way)
wut

>>690036

What are you talking about? Assuming he's American, his house is off of 120v. Watts=Volts x Amps. 80/120=.66

An 80 watt bulb pulls 2/3A.

>>692243
>Watts=Volts x Amps
Thank you anon. Why do most other people insist on over complicating this?

>>692244

Because they're engineers. They assume that residential panels are two phase, when in fact they are split phase. That's why us electricians hat dipshit engineers.

>>692245

*hate. I shouldn't be so drunk on a night before a workday.

>>692240
you can syphon the water only when the destination is lower

>>692247
Are you sure?
http://tips.simplygoodstuff.com/how-to-siphon-water/

http://www.education.com/activity/article/water-uphill/

>>692276
holy shit please tell me this is bait, syphon effect stops working as soon as the two water surfaces level out

>>692277
Can't be overcome with significant pressure changes?

How about pressurizing the lower water collection chamber and/or depressurizing the upper container?

>>692281
>pressure changes
So... you just basically described a pump

Hi guys, quick question about raspberries. I´ve recently moved and put my one year old raspberry plant (caries fruit in summer) in a pot. What would be a good time to plant it in my new garden? Also, do I need to take addiotional measures (like fertilizer)? I'm from Holland, so the winter cold is about to end the upcoming weeks. Thanks in advance

>>692243
>>692244
Calculated as 80w x 1.5a=120, just calc'd the wrong way, that's all.

>>692384
>What would be a good time to plant it in my new garden?

When.

When the danger of frost is over.

>Also, do I need to take addiotional measures (like fertilizer)?

How would we know? It is your soil. Did you make it from compost and a bunch of other stuff or is it just regular dirt?

>>692405
raspberries don't suffer much from frost.
>>692384
don't plant fucking Rubus sp. in your garden, they're invasive as fuck.

>>692281
>>>/out/

>>692414
They do. If you set out starts that are already growing a single frost can kill them right off. I've seen it first hand a number of times.

You can plant crowns that do not have anything growing before the frost and they will be fine.

While it is invasive, it is very easy to manage.

>>692513
sure, if he's growing it indoors, I figured he just has the pot outside though.

it does pretty well in our climate, I've seen them get really out of control.

>>692517
It is the same with all plants. You must acclimatize them to the new environment. This goes for stuff ordered or grown in your house. Warm days and cold snaps with frosty mornings tend to kill tons of plants that were not already out in the winter to begin with.

>>692517
>I've seen them get really out of control.

That's merely because people don't manage them properly. It is like those people who don't mow their lawn but once a month or who plant invasive bamboo or trumpet vine but don't install proper root barriers.

>>692524
you're not telling me anything new m8, but he didn't mention whether the pot was indoors or outdoors.
>>692525
they always look sort of messy and bushy.

the biggest issue is that grass and shit starts to grow in the clump of twigs and it's a pain in the ass to remove.

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Potting up tomato babies. In my van. Down by the river.

>>692637
What kinds of tomatoes you got, there?

>>692609
>the biggest issue is that grass and shit starts to grow in the clump of twigs and it's a pain in the ass to remove.

Just pour a pot of boiling water on it.

>>692637
You used a hole saw and a drill press for the blue board foam?

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>>692667

>>692637
isn't that kind of early.
>>692667
doesn't kill grass or dandelions.

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>>692674
It is the very thing I use under my fence line for controlling grass. This is what the grass looks like in about 12 hours after pouring boiling water on it. The effects last 1-2 months depending on weather and seed spread from nearby plants I've used it to kill multiflora rose bushes and stray blackberries. If it doesn't kill what you are trying to kill, use more.

>>692693
wouldn't it kill the rubus sp. as well.

the weather there seems to be relatively dry, it's wet as fuck here all year.

>>692715
I live in a temperate rain forest area. 95F-104F and 85%-90% humidity with 50+ inches of rain a year. Up to 4 feet of snow in some years too.

>wouldn't it kill the rubus sp. as well.

It will, use more.

>>692723
the point is to remove the weeds without killing the rubus sp. m8.

it's 20C with 90% humidity here during most summers.

we don't get much snow because it's too wet for it to last.

Hey guys. Any of you got any experience in starting garden peas inside? The patch in my new garden isn't quite ready yet (dug it fresh today, needs a bit more top-soil and then it's good to go), so I started my peas in some seed trays.

I hear it's good to make sure they don't get too warm, but was hoping someone here might have done it themselves.

>>692809
peas are easy as fuck, nothing to worry about.

>>692822
Nice, cheers. I've never planted straight in to the ground before - always grown in pots. But now I've got a garden, figure I'll try stuff I've never had chance to grow before.

>>692729
I thought the point was to kill the rubus because it was invasive. When it gets out of line you mow it off, if it establishes you pour boiling water on its crown. However, you don't pour any on the rubus that is in the place you want it to be.

>>692809
>>692825
They do need to be kept cool. As in they don't like the hot summer months and do better during that time with partial shade. Spring and late summer planting will do fine in most locations, in full sun.

>>692841
no it's to kill the weeds inside of it because it tends to be bushy and annoying.

>When it gets out of line you mow it off
doesn't it fruit on 2 year old wood though?

Have one. They suck. Have to be inches from plant. Don't waste your money
It uses fractional watt LEDs.

>>692871
I thought we were talking about this person's garden >>692384 and how invasive the raspberries can be and how to manage them. By "manage" I mean you keep a plot of land where the cane grow and fruit and everything outside that area is off limits. When raspberries get out of that area they are mowed over, have boiling water poured on them, are skinned and hanged for the rest to see as a warning, etc.

Raspberries aren't even that bad, it is the blackberries that are problematic due to underground rhizome running propagation, similar to trumpet vine and bamboo.

>>692908
Fuck man, blackberries. My grandad used to grow raspberries, but we'd just pick blackberries from the nearby brook. They're just too fucking hardy and take over.

>>692908
dutch gardens are pretty small, it's kind of a waste of space to grow anything rubus in them.
>and hanged for the rest to see as a warning, etc.
that's not how plants work.

>>693148
We aren't talking about your garden or Dutch gardens unless >>692384 is Dutch.

>>692198
I was thinking windmill

>>692908
>blackberries that are problematic
>>692928
understatement of the century. I've been trying to reclaim a garden that was taken over by blackberries. It sucks

>>693218
Get a goat.

>>693238
too urban unfortunately.

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So I'm growing an Avoxado here. I've dealt with a mite problem a while ago, but now a few leaves are browning up.

Any idea what is wrong?

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>>693280

Full body shot here.

I'm thinking about just uprooting my pumpkin plant inside and start my watermelons so i can give them a 2 month headstart
thoughts?

>>693203
read the post.
>I'm from Holland,

>>693387
We are talking about the garden, not the person. Is it Dutch style? There's nothing to indicate garden size. Let me rephrase. Is that garden a bugguy style garden? because it seems all gardens are bugguy style gardens even if they are not.

>>693333
What? No don't do that.

Hi all. I've recently ripped up some slabs in my garden and preparing the soil for planting. As far as I know, it's not been used for planting before so I dug about a ft down, aerated the soil, removed all the crap that was in there (bunch of childrens clothes... creepy), and raked in fertiliser and top-soil.

I *think* the ground's good to plant (quite claylike, so I might mix in some sand), but are there any plants I should grow in it first, either to 'prepare' it or find out whether it's even ok for planting?

>>693466
if he had a large backyard it's unlikely that he'd come here to ask about a raspberry.

the only people with big gardens in the netherlands are farmers and rich people.

my type of garden doesn't have a name, and I work with every type of garden.

>>693502
I thought you couldn't have food plants in a "garden", bugguy. Raspberry is clearly a food crop. By your definition in the previous thread, that person isn't a gardener, he's a farmer. By your logic, that means he has a large amount of land.

>>693642
you can have crops in your garden, but they aren't an actual part of the garden.

just like the birds in it aren't.

farms don't have to be big.

everyone besides you knows the difference between gardening and farming, study more.

>>693668
Wow, you're doing a total reversal of the last thread.

See people, this is why bugguy is a contrarian troll. He's also easy as fuck to manipulate into exposing his lies. Keep that in mind.

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Didn't want to pay $300 for some fancy ass hydroponic system, so I went to Home Depot and got components for a pretty basic setup.

>>693670
a garden is where you grow decorative plants.
a farm is crops.

you can have a farm in your garden, but it's not a part of the garden.

you can have a garden in your farm, but it's not a part of the farm.

everyone besides you understands this, but it's probably your autism speaking.

how many times did you get banned for evading/shitposting today?

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>>693670

he's a young man on drugs

Pic is ceropegia, which is a bunch of very very cool plants, you can even own them if you are kinda lame, they're that cool. ib4

I'm a college student currently studying product design. At the moment we have a brief to design a garden transport product, basically get plants and utensils in and out of a car and around a garden. Any ideas from you guys would be great!

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>>693678
I have it's retarded cousin hanging in my windowsill.

>>693678
Those are pretty cool looking. I raised and sold drosera as a kid. Those were the neatest thing I grow then. Now it is purple potatoes, which are not nearly as cool.

>>693677
>how many times did you get banned for evading/shitposting today?

There's that paranoia rearing its ugly head again.

>>693679
Sounds like a terrible assignment. Garden carts and wheel barrows are pretty much the pinnacle of garden transport. This is why I dislike product design people. They always take stuff and make it worse 90% of the time. Add more parts, make it actually less ergonomic even when it may say "ergonomic-design", and of course make it so you can't repair it if it does break.

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>>693677
what

Native english speaker, grown up helping my granddad grow veg in his garden. Not once did we call it a farm. Not once did anyone down the allotments call their back yard a farm.

>>693691
I can't help your inability to understand your own language.

1. A tract of land cultivated for the purpose of agricultural production.

gardens are for decorative purpose only in the first world.

>>693691
Yeah you're telling me. Most of the stuff we do in college is re-design something that exists and work perfectly, but I guess that's college. But were not meant to recreate the wheel so to speak, its more if you could change one thing about a wheel barrow what would you do?

>>693691
Totally this.

>>693695
>its more if you could change one thing about a wheel barrow what would you do?

My ideal wheelbarrow is more of a durability thing. Stainless Steel core barrow encapsulated with spray-on truck bed liner, solid rubber wheel, Stainless steel everything else.

The problem is that they are nearly perfect as is. Changing them just means more parts that wear and tear. They are almost entirely a solid state tool, except for the wheel. Perhaps adding a couple of sturdy pipe handles in the two blue line areas in this image would help when you really have to manhandle a wheelbarrow. I could have used that yesterday despite the cross bar that's already there.

I know, for winter, a ski like thing that attaches to the wheel so you can push it through the snow would be really nice.

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>>693708
>sturdy pipe handles in the two blue line areas in this image

forgot pic.

>>693712
Cheers man! all this helps. Problem with the brief is that the product is meant to be designed for a Community Garden Project. Meaning it would have a target market of all ages + somehow be rewarding for the community, I still don't fully understand it. If it were up to me id still just use a wheel barrow

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>>693712
steel wheelbarrows are shit tier, I've been using Fort SMB-100 for the past years and they still haven't broken yet despite being abused.

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Could someone explain this bullshit to me (I'm guessing some kind of mold or mildew) and if I should be concerned?

>>693816

It looks a little odd, can you get a sharper picture?

>>693816
Water evaporation causes that. Does the pot have holes int he bottom to drain properly?

>should be concerned?

Yes, if it is leftover minerals from water evaporation it will cause root burn.

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>>693677
So again, explain to me the following: If I have a rosemary hedge in my garden for mostly decorative purposes (nice flowers throughout winter), does it stop being a part of the "garden" and begin being a part of a "farm" once I take cuttings off it to use as spice in the kitchen? Assume I discard the cuttings into the waste, would it make any difference to the plant's status as "decorative" vs "crop"? Is there no middle ground/dual use according to you?
Same for olives, which have a mostly decorative function because they're so rare here in Germoney, but can be harvested too
I strongly disagree with your OCD binary sorting desu

>>693486

I would recomend against adding sand to clay, it just makes bricks.

Have the slabs been there for a long time? Soil that has'nt had any plants growing in it for extended periods will have very few of the microorganisms essential for plant life.

Consider adding a modest amount of compost to reintroduce soil critters.

Legumes, such as pole beans, are a good choice for newly prepared soil, as they can produce their own nitrogen. You may need to innoculate them for good results. Newly prepared soil is generally low in nitrogen, and/or lacking the soil fauna that can produce nitrogen.

>>693280
>>693281

Hi there, is the leaf browning occuring only on the oldest lower leaves? Perhaps it is just the light in the first picture, but are the older leaves also yellowing? Is the new growth generally fine?

If so, then what is happening is that the plant itself is purposefully killing off the oldest leaves, to use their nutrients for the newest growth.

This means that the plant is not getting enough nutrition, which could happen for any number of reasons.

The most obvious thing to check first is water. Is it getting enough water, or too much? What are you using as a soil in your pot? Have you recently added fertiliser? Is the growing medium sterile?

>>693675
How much did it end up costing you?

>>693694
>that reading comprehension and insistent shitposting.

>>693916
A basic hydro setup consists of a bucket, an aquarium air pump, and an aquarium air stone/bubbler.

>>693472
why not? No purpose starting watermelon so early?

Anybody have experience with fruit trees in the Midwest? I'm in Missouri. Do oranges work here?

>>690537
Dutch people literally are blunt as fuck. Don't gotta like him but he gives good advice.

>>693916

$75 all together. Bought an air stone + pump. I'm going to try to do a gravity feed instead of a water pump. Will post pics when finished.

>>693967
I mean don't kill the pumpkin. Starting watermelon is fine, depending on the frost dates in your area.

>>693968
Too cold in winter. You have to take them indoors in winter. They do fine that way.

>>693486
Like the other anon said, sand is not enough. You need to add sand, peat moss, and compost to the soil. Sand helps with drainage, peat lightens the soil and keeps it from compacting, and compost adds nutrition and microbes. The texture and consistency you're looking for is for you to take a handfull of moist soil-not soaking wet, but moist-and after you squeeze it hard, the soil should form into a loose clump. Not a firm, hard ball, just a loose clump that falls apart with a firm poke.

A cover crop of peas and/or clover for the first year will also help to fix nitrogen and microbes. Just till the whole plant under at the start of the next growing season.

>>693990
sweet, Thanks dude

>>691151
salvia isn't even enjoyable, stop trying to be edgy on the internet.

>>693890

Hey there too.

>is the leaf browning occuring only on the oldest lower leaves? Perhaps it is just the light in the first picture, but are the older leaves also yellowing? Is the new growth generally fine?

Yes on all three accounts.

>The most obvious thing to check first is water. Is it getting enough water, or too much?

Not really sure. I wait for the top soil to dry before watering again, so about 3/4 a liter with two days in between.

>What are you using as a soil in your pot?

About three years worth of walnut tree leaves made compost mixed with your average over-the-counter potted plant soil.

>Have you recently added fertiliser?
Nope, never have. Its about three months old.

>Is the growing medium sterile?
I'm no expert, but I'd say no.

This is a fully amateur project, so any kind of insight would be really helpful.

>>693845
herbs can be decorative, I grow a lot of thyme but don't actually use it.

it's how this works in countries that actually garden, it's why ameritards don't understand it because their gardening scene is underdeveloped.

>(nice flowers throughout winter)
as far as I know rosemary blooms in late spring.
>>693923
>>>/an/
>>694117
drugs aren't enjoyable in general unless you're a hipster faggot in your early twenties.

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>>694148
this is a garden, notice how the plants aren't planted evenly.

you might be able to eat them, but the purpose in which they're planted is what matters.

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>>694160
this is a farm.

notice how everything is planted evenly, it even looks cultivated.

How useful is home composting?
I remember it being a craze in Australia in the early 2000's but I've never really seen it since then.

>>694161
>>694160
Mate that second picture is still a garden. You might call it a farm, and people might struggle to understand you, I don't care.

But it is still a garden. I'm from the UK, and we all call it a garden no matter what you grow in it (or even if there's nothing growing in it). Farm and Garden are not mutually exclusive.

If it's a plot of land attached to your house, it's a garden. If you choose to grow veg, fruit, whatever in it, you can call it a farm if you want. But it's still a garden.

>>694148
Well mine has been constantly flowering since mid-September, probably depends on cultivar

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>>694197
>>694161
Maybe we just have a linguistic issue here.
German too would call both "Garten", in no way would you ever call the 2nd one an "Acker" (pic related would be one)
You could call that specific part of the garden where you grow crops/herbs "[x]-beet" if you want to explicitly refer to it, but it's still part of the garden

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Western WA here, looking to grow hops. I've grown a small garden's worth of cascade hops but I want to expand a bit.

I have two 4 foot by 10 foot boxes to use. I'm thinking of growing cascades in one and another variety in the other but I'm unsure of what would grow best in our climate. We're pretty wet and temperatures won't get much higher than 70 in the summer here. I had centennial in mind.

Also if anyone has experience with hop rhizome sales in WA state feel free to chime in. I had to import mine from OR the last time and with the quarantine it took awhile. My local brewing supply shop doesn't sell any unfortunately.

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>>693834
It's in a "self watering" pot with an opening in the bottom to add water that I never really use, does that count?

>>692405
I´ve mixed the soil that was already in my garden with some 'garden soil' (idk man, 'tuinaarde' in dutch). I also throw all my used coffee in the garden to prevent my cat from shitting all over the place. The previous owner had some conifers where I plan to set up the raspberry.
>>693466
>>693502
Although you sound like a huge autist bugguy, you're right. My garden is small as fuck, I just want one raspberry plant and the rest is decorative. I fucking love raspberries

>>693985
I know some Dutch people personally, some others post in these threads. None of them are remotely like bugguy. He's just an asshole contrarian troll. He probably has hypoglycemia.

>>691107
If it is vegetation and grow roots. Please continue

>>694160
>>694161
>no edible gardens or edible landscape allowed

People do plant herb, flower, and vegetable gardens to look fancy and be edible at the same time. You're just an idiot.

>>694197
I get that you might not understand why I have to differentiate it, but I don't get why you're arguing against it because it's not like I'm misusing those words.

here we call a decorative garden a 'tuin' and a farming patch a 'moestuin', a bunch of fruit trees is a 'boomgaard' and your picture would be a 'plantage'

>>694213
depends on the area, they bloom year-round in warmer areas.
>>694263
I use jargon because I own a professional gardening/landscaping company, if I'm not clear about it people will make mistakes.
>>694302
vegetable gardens don't look fancy.

I'll be posting the hugelkultur I made today after I shower.

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>>694378
culturally enriching my sandy shitsoil with leaf litter and wood garbage and leaving it to rot for a few months.

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>>694394
IT BEGINS.

also that's Alnus wood.

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>>694399
throwing the rotten wood over it.

>>694378
Ok so it's a language difference issue. I'd say in the general case when conversing with other english-speakers, they think of a particular thing, like >>694216 when you say 'farm'. I'd advise that you do the same when talking to other english-speakers to avoid confusion :)

>>694394
That looks really nice tho

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>>694402
my grass never stopped growing so I mowed it off and threw it over the rotten wood.

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>>694407
and....it's gone.

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>>694408
put some leftover plants in it, didn't have space for them, might remove them later.

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>>694412
also bonus picture of the fernwall.

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>>694405
it's more of a profession issue, I'm in contact with other professional gardeners all over the world and they never had an issue understanding it and use those words in the same context.

it's just that /out/ is mostly hobbyists.

>>694258
So you never really discard of water and only add in more to let it evaporate/sucked into the plant? Do you at least use rainwater in that case? Because if not, logically the salt content will build up over time, I suggest you "flush" it (i.e. water thoroughly until it comes out the bottom holes then discard this water) several times with rainwater in order to dilute the salt content a little

I've been thinking of growing shiitake mushrooms indoors. How long do kits yield mushrooms for? I've also been considering a lot for asthetic reasons but is there a difference in the yield over other methods of growing such as sawdust?

>>694426
man i freaking love big oaks like that. they're so majestic.

I've got some dwarf mountain pine seeds straight out of pinecones, any tips for growing them?

>>694555
mugos are great.

they like sun and well-drained soil.

>>694560
What about germinating the seeds? Just put them in some wet soil and wait? Forgive my retardation, I've never done this.

>>694591
http://www.treeseedonline.com/store/p91/Mountain_Pine_(pinus_mugo).html

>>694623
Not sure why I didn't attempt googling in english, fuck.

thanks m8

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Alright I think it's going to make a move on my life tonight... the vines move where I touch them over time.

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>>694701
Speaking of Cucurbitaceae, my test watermelon seedling from early November barely grows (and I like it that way), probably because it stands in mostly cool temperature (mostly around 15°C, only when the sun shines the rack area on the WSW window goes up to 41°C, but sunshine is so extremely rare these last weeks, it might just become the darkest February on record - only 34h up until now, while the whole long term February average is 100h, and with just a few days in the month left it'll barely go above 50)

>>694061
I dont have another pot

Frost date in my area probably isnt until May to be honest

>>694137

>composted walnut leaves

Anon, I hate to tell you this but walnut leaves contain a naturally occuring herbicide called juglone. I hope that for your sake, the composting process destroyed the juglone.

I'm not familiar enough with avocado to know if it is resistant or not.

>average over the counter potting soil
>compost

The average potting soil would likely contain enough nutrients (many have too much). The compost adds plant nutrients on its own.

Based on the above, I reckon there's enough nutrients in the soil, but virtually every plant needs a host of microorganisms to supply their nutrients to them (with the exception of calcium).

If it isn't the juglone killing the plant, then there could be a situation where some essential symbiotic soil organism is missing, such as a symbiotic fungi.

I'm afraid there is no easy solution, unless you happen to live where there are healthy avocado trees. Then the solution would be to simply inoculate the pot with some soil from an established and healthy tree.

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>>694378
To bad you use your jargon incorrectly.

>>694458
I don't, and I also have no idea what I'm doing
Will get to collecting some rainwater though

>>694789

The OSU Extension says the toxin in these leaves breaks down within 2 to 4 weeks of composting.

We good.

I guess I'll have to contact someone who works with avocados for this one, thanks anyway.

How accurate is the growing of potatoes in The Martian? Watched it today and went "that seems right" but I'd like a second opinion.

>>695011
It totally lacks bacteria and fungi in the martian soil. That would hopefully be on the outer skin of the potatoes. You'd need to essentially pretend the martian sol was just a growing medium for a hydroponics system and not rely totally on what minerals it has. With the compost, you boost this a massive amount. Then you can treat the martian soil like you would a sandy soil It is doable, but top growth does not equal bottom growth for potatoes. Too rich a growing medium will give you lots of green potato tops and barely any tuber growth. You'd also see diminishing returns without a steady supply of compost, but that would take a few years. Now, light requirements are probably the worst part.

So, it breaks down to,

Inert growing medium (got plenty)
Compost (limited supply with additional bare minimum from him)
Water (got plenty)
Microbes and Fungi (truly unknown, but the movies said it was there I think)
Light (not so good)

If he got 1 good potato per plant that had viable eyes, he might be able to continue it. But, living off it? It is a downward spiral (as shown in the movie, but not to the extent it'd be IRL). He would have done better with a different, more controlled system. He didn't even try to sprout eyes on the seed potatoes first. Doing that shortens the growing time needed to establish as well as shows you instantly what parts of the potato you can save for eating. Thus, wasting time and food. He was essentially supplementing his diet of his body eating itself. I'm surprised his brain wasn't going too.

>>694826
no I'm using it correctly, I only said 'vegetable garden' because that was mentioned in the post I was replying to.

your reading comprehension is terrible.

>>694222
What's your zone? Hops are hardy to zone 3, and it's zone 5 here in grand rapids, MI. We get a lot of precipitation here because of the lake too. Friend of mine has successfully grown hops, in a spot that's shady and has shitty soil. Damn things were trying to kill the MINT; which shocked us both, considering how invasive mint is.

Make sure you give it a nice support for it to climb, hops love to twine around things. Hell, you could even get a decorative trellis for fun, hops are rather pretty and not very heavy so they dont need much support. Would look rather nice.

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Harvest day!

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built this bitch over the weekend.

didn't wanna do a hoop house for numerous reasons.

>>695177
8b according to the USDA site.

I've successfully grown them before, pic was a cascade from last season. However it was in Seattle proper as opposed to where I am now, about 100 miles further Northwest. That and I have more room to grow. In Seattle I had planted two rhizomes because I had about 10ft2. I now have 55ft2 so I plan on growing much more.

My main concern is caterpillars, the area I'm growing has them pretty badly. Any advice how to keep them away?

And yeah I will be building a rather tall place for them to grow. I'm thinking 6ft stakes up, 10ft across, cross staking for support, and twine to hang down. Not certain just yet but an idea.

>>695384
If you have chickens or ducks, you have a ready-made pest patrol. They love all sorts of juicy pests. If not, dust plant foliage with Bacillus thuringiensis, or Bt, powder. Bt is a natural bacteria that kills caterpillars, but it does not harm most other beneficial insects.

It may also help to get a box of praying mantises, who love large prey. Attract toads by building a 'toad house' or a bird feeder to attract birds, both of which eat large pests like caterpillars.

Lastly, hops themselves are a very tough, weedy plant. My friend's hop is rarely nibbled on by anything, as they are rather bitter and fibrous.

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tfw

(i have a card)

>>695433
So, that a pot seedling? The leaves reminds me of spearmint.

>>695482
>pot
Yes it is.

>>695504
Cute. Your first attempt?

Went into a semi-private well kept greenhouse recently. Someone was growing a ton of bean plants, tomatoes, peppers, "benth" whatever that is, and other edibles... and randomly, a bunch of datura. Why would someone grow a bunch of datura alongside edibles?

>>695312
nice work

>>695433
you growing indoors or out?

>>695558
to kill would be thieves

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>>695629
They were labeled. I really like these guys, but it's just strange to find them among a bunch of edibles. I figured there might be something I didn't know about.

>>695558
>>695635
It grows wild here in disturbed soils. It fucking LOVES gardens and one seed pod from like 8 years before can fuck up your garden for so many years before you get them all. Some people like the big flowers and appearance. Various varieties are sold as "moonflower" in seed catalogs.

>I figured there might be something I didn't know about.

The seeds are a terrible hallucinogen.

>>695728
Actually, the whole plant is a deleriant. Not a hallucinogen. But yeah, I knew that. That's what made me wonder...

Newfag here. I want to grow carrots, but when I search how on the internet it says to plant several weeks before the last spring frost. I live in Colorado and it snowed what might be the last time this winter today. Is it too late to plant them? Will they not turn out right if I plant them now?

>>695748
http://www.ext.colostate.edu/mg/Gardennotes/740.html

>>695748
last frost wont be until probably april dude.

>>695750
thanks anon.
Do I have to plant them outside or can I plant them inside and move them out later?

>>695755
carrots you cant transplant or they'll get fucked up. You could grow them in a deep pot maybe

>>691121
There is sometimes a /drug/ general in /b/ tard.

>>695748
On my German pack of carrot seeds it says to plant Feb-Apr, and it might freeze here way into April so I surely think they must be frost tolerant. I've direct sown them about a week ago and they're supposed to take up to 3 weeks to sprout in cooler weather, so we'll see

New thread homegrowmen >>696039

>>692247

try an archimedes screw

>>695308
Man, squirrels have ruined all of my sunflowers. They bite the heads off right as the seeds start to develop.