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First for Stronk Strips.

>>17031534
>monster

What model? 696?S4r?

third for honda a best

>>17031651
post fireblade

https://youtu.be/d8uKlA6Nmf4?t=2m30s
how do I make my bike sound like the one at 2:43

Post reasons against buying a Chinese scooter

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I need advice;
>buy bike with a rebuilt title for $5k cash

>buy same model with a clean title for $8k and take out a $2k loan
or
>just get a completely diferent bike

>>17031662
crash

>>17031680
What bike

>>17031613
Thank you Ms. Skeltal

>>17031666
there are none, if you wanna buy shit you might as well buy cheap shit.

And to be honest my piece of shit chink-scooter proved reliable as hell without even the most basic maintenance.

>>17031687
rsv4

>>17031698
get different bike

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>>17031660
ok

I'm the guy that had his bike battery dead

I did the push start method and worked, but even in 2nd gear I almost fell, made a little drift.
then, later on, I was pushing the bike and I dont know what happened, maybe the gear didnt go up properly and I almost got spit out of the bike

jesus christ

>>17031698
good choice
do not get a rebuilt one
do not take a loan on a bike

>>17031622
that tire obviously has a very mild profile. I don't know who you think you're impressing

>>17031662
Probably a crossplane R1 with a decat and tiny can.

>>17031707
>>17031715
fair enough, I could pay off the loan in less than 2 months, but I didn't want to waste any of this riding season since I am a nobike atm

>>17031613
What's the best 600cc bike to restrict for A2?

>>17031760
Don't. Did that shit for a year and a half and it made me hate motorbikes.

Get a 300 and rev it to the moon.

>>17031760
>600cc
Pls don't, it'll be so shitty. Get a 1 or 2 cilinder bike restricted

>>17031712
had that issue before, just get a new battery m8. fill that bitch up with its juice and charge it.

carfag here, why do you faggots get so angry when i dont let you lane split? if im going to be late so are you we are all in this together

>>17031786
>we are all in this together
no we aren't.

>>17031760
git a single cylinder

>>17031792
yes we are bikes take up space on the road too why do you feel superior for having only 2 wheels

>>17031797
>take up space
all you, fat boy.

>>17031760
xt 660

>>17031786
Because by lane splitting we make room in traffic for someone else. Otherwise, we would take a spot where a car could be otherwise. Second, personal safety, lots of car people don't see bikers in traffic

Also, in plenty of european countries it is illegal to block a bike filtering. If you're so upset about being late while raging about bikes, get one yourself. I live in th e Netherlands, I commute 25 km single way to my uni. It takes about 13 minutes by bike, or 30+ by car. My parttime job is 55km away, 40 minutes by bike or over an hour by car

>>17031797
>why do you feel superior
I just feel more mobile, which I am. I can fit between lanes of cars. You can't. Deal with it because I'm going to get around you anyway.

>>17031786
You decided to bring a giant ass vehicle to move your ass around.

>>17031797
You can fit 4 bikes in the space of a single car. 90% of the time they carry the same amount of people. That they still allow cars to ride with just one person during rush hour is stupid.

>>17031710
Ayy,again?

>>17031792
I love running you tiny faggots over. Get the FUCK off my road

>>17031786
>>17031797
Traffic jams are made of cars holding each other up.
Bikes pass through jams, holding nobody up.
If you want to make as big a nuisance of yourself as you are capable of, never change.

>>17031812
>>17031819
i'm still not letting you split my lane im sorry guys its just not going to happen, if i have to wait so do you

>>17031821
no that's the first time I dropped it, back in september

>>17031833
Ah, too stupid to reason with.
>tripfags, amirite?

>>17031797
any bike will be long gone from the traffic lights before you got first gear in.

>>17031712
Get on my level. Battery was dead on my XT-350, mud everywhere.
>nottu dis shittu agen.jpeg
Pull start with KLR.

>>17031833
>tripfag being a fag
No suprise. I'm just somewhat happy I live in a surveillance nation because of this, there's a camera every few meters to catch the shit you cagers do :^)

>>17031825
We would, if you stopped blocking us.

>>17031833
You could use a bike, then you wouldn't wait anymore. Feels kinda stupid not to do that, don't it?

>>17031833
lol I'll just filter around the car next to you
bye bye bby

>>17031841
>implying these degenerates can figure out manual gearing

...

Gotta admit, even in autos, your statement stands true.

>>17031760
KTM 690

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does this thing exist? I read its european only which is good since I live in europe
cant find it on hondas website though

>>17031857
I remember reading about them. It's just dealers putting kits together for them. It's not a product directly from Honda.

>>17031662
remove the db eater and drive a yamaha r1

Litre bike or 600?

>>17031857
no
>>17031869
liter

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>>17031786
most motorcycle crashes with other vehicles are from being rear ended in stop and go traffic

>>17031860
Hello fellow cuck, paid that $1300 license plate yet?

>>17031874
>implying leafs
lmao

>>17031869
600, there's literally no need for a litre bike unless you regularly go to a track desu

>>17031860
>decent brakes
>chain
>high risk
W E W L A D
E
W

L
A
D

>>17031860
>a muffler placed at the rear and angled upward
>2 disc brakes in front and 1 disc brake in the back
>a lifted passenger seat

Shit, how many of these points do you need to have a high risk bike?

>>17031860
>2 disc brakes in front and 1 disc brake in the back
How horridly unsafe!
Ban these at once!!11!!

>>17031886
>>17031880
>>17031879
DANGER
https://saaq.gouv.qc.ca/en/vehicle-registration/registering-vehicle/motorcycle/high-risk-motorcycles/

>>17031880
It's weird. The VFR1200 is high risk but not the Ninja 1000.

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Date is July 20-23, for those who have missed the previous posts.
Info about camp site etc will be posted in the next week or two

>>17031860
>a muffler placed at the rear and angled upward

There are barely any bikes that don't fit that description.

>>17031892
This is when beaurocrats & engineers are just looking at each other, shaking their heads.
No side will understand.

At least one side understands projectile weaponry.

theory test on wednesday
after that it's a crash course and I'll be on a 600 after 10 years on 125s
my life expectancy can expect to plummet after that

>>17031894
What.

>>17031892
That list doesn't make any sense.

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>>17031860
>Streamlined Fairings
>Muffler at rear and angled up
>Two disks front and one at the back
>Chain Drive
>Power is about .40hp/kg
>No centre stand
>Big frame
>High back seat
Get the fuck outta my way Sport Bike cucks, High-Risk Motorcycle coming through.

>>17031860
It sounds worse than it is, the complete list contains almost exclusively sport bikes.

>>17031905
A lot of new bikes have them under the pegs and older and touring bikes pointing straight back.

>>17031905
FWIW, cruisers tend to have horizontal exhausts.
I am absolutely certain that exhaust angle is a guearanteid caustative factor in vehicular accidenticizationism.

My dog keeps eating grass and then throwing up, what should I do to teach him?

>>17031892
>official list of high risk motorcycles
>all the 600 supersports
>VFR1200
>K1300
>no Tuono
>no S1000R
>no superduke
this is literally assault bikes, "it looks fast so it must be dangerous"

>>17031916
No clip-ons, no risks :^)
>>17031924
They're not risk-increasing features, they're visual features of high-risk bikes (ie 17 year old gets an R6 as a first bike and kills himself)
I wish they'd lower the price with age/experience

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>>17031927
Dogs do that when their stomachs hurt. Get him checked out, he may have eaten plastic or something.

>>17031930
>>K1300

Only the K1300S, not the R, GT or the GT Exclusive. Maybe not even the S HP.

>>17031924
>guearanteid caustative factor in vehicular accidenticizationism
Sorry, my English isn't good enough to make sense of this

>>17031927
Let him. he's likely eaten something else that is making him feel ill. Dogs eat grass intentionally to try and throw up any poisons they eat.

>>17031860
>shoulder thing that goes up: motorcycle edition

>>17031927
Go to the doctor if he does this longer than a day or something

>>17031930
Being authored by insurance agency penpushers, it's more representative of which bikes douchebros are buying/riding rather than anything the engineers left as "unsafe" for the sake of selling bikes to marginals.

I'm pretty sure the high risk factor is the rider, not the bike.

You can ride a super sport sensibly, and ride a 125cc like a fucking maniac.

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Easter just means no cops on the road right? Just dug this out after 8 months of slumber and fixed some fried wires to make her run again

>>17031842
Get on my level, Stator died on my buddies DRZ 100 miles from home, his battery is flat dead now. Loaned him the battery out of my WR450, kick started the WR with no battery and rode home anyway.

>>17031952
Stop being sensible

>try to pull wheelie in front of my garage
>put in 1st gear
>pull clutch in
>rev up
>let it out
>bike goes a bit up and then down and I smash my balls in the seat

never again

>>17031961
Easter means extra cops on the road because everybody has a longer weekend.

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>>17031613
>>17031613
>2013
>5500 miles
>"woman owner" (kinda believe it because its lowered 3 inches)
>been posted 2 months, guy still has it
>asking 5500

I am going to offer him 4000, think it will work? Is it a good deal?

>6'2
>wanting to get back into riding after a 7 year break
>will either sell this, or give to my wife if I get back into riding regularly.

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>>17031963
i dont know HOW to kick my bike when its cold.
its difficult when its warm, but at least i can do it.
but i tried, and the thing wears you to death after 3 kicks

>>17031969
Did you put your bike in gear BEFORE pulling the clutch?
>you deserve everything that happened to you

>>17031961
>no cops
>holiday weekend
What kind of bass ackwards place do you live.

>>17031948
>Dogs eat grass intentionally to try and throw up any poisons they eat.

they aren't that clever surely?

>>17031991
Pretty sure it's a Québec thing

>>17031978
Nice, you still around?

>>17031996
sounds pretty foolproof to me, m80

>>17031860
>chain driven
>2 disk brakes at front
>lifted passenger seat

sounds like they just want to put everything non-harley into the risk category.

>>17031996
My dog would eat the long grass that would grow around my porch, i was told it helps with digestion.

>>17031991
>motorcycles are high risk
>meanwhile importing million of unknown illegals that worship a religion that teaches to kill whoever doesn't believe in allah is completely fine

>>17032013
why is he still throwing up then?

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>>17032005
I lurk.

When I drink, I post more.

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>>17031998
>>17031991

>>17032017
No idea, i dont think mine threw up much, dont really remember

>>17032021
Merci mon ami

>>17031963
But have you ascended to the next level? Electric gate battery in bike?
Stealing your sisters scooter battery so you can put the gate motor battery back?

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>>17032019
are you the guy with the F800ST?

Please tell me all about it as I am seriously considering buying this one

33,000 miles.

>>17031930
I would trust insurers to compile an actually accurate list.
Insurance companies have a huge amount of data available to them and very clever people using that data to make as money as possible by predicting high-risk groups as well as they can.

>>17031992
It's not a drinking or party holiday. You don't see cops on Christmas morning either.
>b-but every holiday is a drinking holiday!
Yeah ok nobody cares

>>17032037
it's a dangerous bike!

>see guy from school haven't seen in a long time
>he was a but if an alpha male jock/bullyish type
>hes on a suzuki vanvan with L plates
>wearing an anorak and wellies

Top kek

>>17032062
nowt wrong with a vanvan lad

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>>17031860
I'm safe

>>17031860
>oversize frame
What the fuck does that even mean?

>>17031839
>>17031845
>>17031847
>>17031848
stay mad and in denial of the fact that bikes are creating traffic jams just as much as cars do

>>17032037
Well... Frankly, I love it.

It's my second bike after a ninjette, and extremely forgiving to an admittedly shit rider. I bought it because I want to cover the continent, and have been very pleased with the bike for that purpose.
>800km/day, no worries
>pootling round the city for chores, no worries
>highway cruising, <5L/100km
>twisties, the bike shows me all the shit i need to learn

Something in particular you want to know? That price is a hell of a lot less than what I paid, but I got an '11 (I think something good happened with '09 & later).

>>17031786
>we are all in this together
No. You choose oversized sofa over a rudimentary transport. You picked comfort over speed. Don't force your choice onto others.

At least i can filter. But what's even worse that people who choose to drive alone force people with kids, service men and deliveries in this situation.

Take the goddamn train or at least give a lift to a colleague.

>>17032070
that's what I thought at first, too.

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>>17031985
Get that thing jetted properly. My last bike ( KTM525 ) would fire on the first kick no matter what. My WR is fuel injected and needs 2 kicks to get it running with no battery, first one pressurizes the fuel lines, will start on the second kick without fail.

>>17032037
>The bike comes equipped with ... standard brakes
Well holy fuck, I thought brakes were a luxury option!

Why on earth would anyone choose a liter bike over a 600? Unless you do drag racing whats the point?

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>>17032096
>>17032021

woops

>>17032108
Going faster

>>17032034
> why am I here
Sorry, don't live with my mom anymore.

>>17031963
When I had stator and battery issues in my DRZ I would just bump start it since it can still run without a battery.
When I got a new seat for the EXC that wouldn't clear the battery, I also ran that without a battery just by kick starting it.

>>17032110
>>17032108
You don't


https://rideapart.com/articles/11-reasons-why-you-dont-want-a-literbike

Litre babbies btfo

>>17032108
Literbikes are better roadbikes.

>>17032130
>10 of the 11 reasons have nothing to do with speed
>I-I'm slow so I bet y-you're slow too
I don't even have a liter but that's retarded.

>>17031976
>>17031976
Pls respond

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>>17032143
yes

>>17032136
Read this anons post
>>17032130

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danger danger

>>17032143
Turbo boosa

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>>17032150
bananapete pls

>>17032136
they really are not.

They dont even do very well on twisties, naked bikes like the KTM dukes or the striple will eat every S1000RR alive when it comes to fast cornering.

And they are a LOT more comfortable

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What's oversize frame?

Also, it's about 0.5HP/kg depending if you count the dry or wet weigh and if you measure it at the crank or at the wheel.

Accidentally wheelied it again, does that happen to any of you at all?

>>17032143
WR250r is actually a pretty good bike. I hope he still has the original wishbone so you can make it stock height again.

4k would be a great deal, bet he won't budge under 5.

>>17032141
Linking displacement with danger is about as useful as linking exhaust angle with crashing.
>git gud, ride what you like
>haters gunna hate

>>17032168
I do it on my pig fat bike sometimes, but only in second gear, where just moving my body forward is enough to put the front back down.

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>>17032168
>What's oversize frame?

i guess they mean the classic aluminium sportsbike frame?

Of course modern Superbikes dont have any frame to speak off

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>>17031976
For the same price you could get a real wr

>>17032130
>have a >1000cc bike
>nothing of that list applies to mine

Except the no need to drop a gear to catch up with anyone. I can ride in 6th from 70 to 185 and get there in a few seconds without ever needing to drop a gear.

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>>17032171
He says he has all of the shit to make it stock height and is going to do that before the sale. It is also 100% stock in terms of the engine.

I agree I think 5 is going to be his sticking point, but it has been 2 months and he still has it. He will either need to be willing to deal, or potentially stay with the bike for a while.

>>17032149
>>17032130

I did:

>2) Literbikes Make You A Lazy Rider
Being lazy makes you a lazy rider. Not an argument.
>3) Literbikes Get Stolen
So do 600s, just as much probably.
>4) The Razor’s Edge Is Not The Safest Place To Be
600's are just as razor-sharp and difficult to ride.
>5) Literbikes Aren’t Any Faster Than A 600
They are on a straight line, and they're not really slower anywhere else.
>6) Literbikes Make You A Target
Speeding and riding like an obnoxious cunt makes you a target, or living in a police state.
>7) Literbikes Cost Too Much To Run
Not much more than 600s.
>8) Literbikes Are Hideously Uncomfortable
As are 600s.
>9) Literbikes Compromise Handling For Power
Modern literbikes handle very well, better than most riders could hope to make use of.
>10) Literbikes Don’t Teach You Anything
So what? Any conscious effort to learn something will remedy that.
>11) Riding A Literbike Isn’t Rewarding
Subjective, but a fair point.

Only one of these was even close to being reasonable.

>>17031985
Learn where top dead centre is then.

>>17032112
\/---I have my own house on my father`s plot.
>>17031939

>>17032162
The argument was that 1000s are better roadbikes than 600s.
Of course naked bikes are more suitable to street riding, but that wasn't the discussion.

>>17032184
not street legal

>>17032190
>>17032186

>litre bikes
>not having inferior handling to 600s

O i am laffin

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>>17032019
cute

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>>17032207
>>>>>americans

>>17032208
Look at laptimes nobike, liters are faster on straights and in twisties

>>17032208
I bet my bike handles much better on the shit road I ride on than a 600.

Also he acts like you only have 600s and 1000s, while mine is almost a 1200 V-twin, it isn't and rides completely differened.

>>17032208
Save for the R6, any 600 you can buy now is old and will have worse suspension and chassis than a modern literbike.

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>>17032184
>Real wr
>4stroke
Wew

>>17032205
600s handle better though, their disadvantage is pretty much only top speed so if you wanna go fast on a road you are better off with a 600.

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>>17032219

>>17032236
You live in a house for midgets?

>>17032236
Didn`t know BMW made bikes for lankets.

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>>17032232

>>17032238
>>17032244
Settle down, it's where my bike lives, not me...

>>17032233
600s take more effort to ride fast on the road than other bikes.

>>17032082
yeah, I think it looks cool, it has amazing mpg, and a belt drive.

I'm just wondering if I should be a little weary of 2006.

If that bike is gone by the time I pass my test I will probably buy myself a VFR800, people seem to say its the F800's direct competitor and also a very good bike.

It's mainly the belt drive that attracts me to the F800ST.

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>>17032255
But how do you store her in there? You're not that short.

>>17032244
>Didn`t know BMW made bikes for lankets.

Guise, are kidney belts a meme?

>>17032130
This article is a bunch of shit.
>targeted more by the police
nope, hardly been pulled over on my "flashy liter"
>aren't faster than a 600
Wrong again
>last time you took it over 120
daily
>cost too much to run
nope
>uncomfortable
more comfortable than a 600
>Not rewarding
o i am laffin


This article was written by a total fag tbqhwu

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>>17032207
>wr250f
>not street legal
You can buy them from the factory with plates...

>>17032187
>stock engine

Shit

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>>17032232
Only Australians get these.

>>17032276
In the US the street version is the WR250r, the WR250f is off-road only.

>>17032266
Do you drive a forklift? Or a bike with wood logs for back shocks? Then I doubt you need one.

>>17032288
Even forklifts have suspension seats nowadays.

>>17032208

Maybe in the mid 2000s maybe, most modern litrebikes handle just as well as 600s, and then outdrag them on the straights too.

FUCK YEAH, MAJOR'S GOT AN NM4

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>>17032287
No the yz250f is off road only.
The wr250f can not only be plated they come with two sets of plastics that include plate holders, blinkers, horn, mirrors etc so you can road register them if you did not buy them from the factory with it already.

>>17032190

>8) Literbikes Are Hideously Uncomfortable

Kek, my dad is over 50 and recovering from a broken spine and even he was blown away by how comfortable an S1000RR is. Unless you're made of glass and paper, or are 200 with severe arthritis, most sport bikes are fine.

>>17032261
>VFR800, people seem to say its the F800's direct competitor
In a sense, sure. That sense being: something fun to thrash around first world countries. In other senses, such as demands on the rider, the viffer is a higher-class bike.
>weary of 2006
IIRC, it was something like a change in tuning or some other very minor improvement over earlier models. In any case:
>heated grips are standard
>"standard" brakes are very good
>belt drive is literally NO maintenance

I would love to ride a VFR, both for the sake of it, and for comparison to my own 800cc bike. I don't expect them to be comparable to the point of being competitors for the same market segment though.

>>17032266
My dad swore by his when we used to go dirtbiking, so I guess if you're 50+ go for it.

>>17032324
>https://www.yamahamotorsports.com/off-road/models/wr250f

Why is it listed under off-road on their website?

>>17032259
not really, they got shorter gears so they accelerate just like litres, their shorter wheelbase and thinner tires make them easier to lean and they are lighter.

>>17032331
>weary of 2006
>IIRC, it was something like a change in tuning

Was it this bike and year that had a massive flat spot around 5k RPM due to changing emission laws?

>>17032337
off-road =/= not road legal

>>17032231
I don't think suspension and chassis have advanced much since the late 90s.

>>17032233
>their disadvantage is pretty much only top speed
Nah. Top speed isn't even a big deal in most cases. The main disadvantage in my opinion is being too revvy.

>>17032358

>The main disadvantage in my opinion is being too revvy.

Well, the amount of revs isn't the problem, it's having to rev so high to make sufficient power. Really, 750s are the perfect middle ground between 600 and 1000. Lightweight chassis, powerful engine.

>>17032286
Americans got WR250 2-strokes up until 1996 I think. Back then they were practically just a YZ250 with a lighting coil and wider spread gear ratios.

>>17032345
I believe the engine had a tendency to kill itself. Not quite sure. Do know >2012 F800's are the best

why are yellow bikes and green(excluding kawasakis) so rare?

>>17032345
I've heard it's this bike, all years, that has a flat spot on the torque curve around 4k rpm. That's where she sits cruising 120kph in 6th, so probably an economical tune characteristic. Even if so, it's not really noticeable during enthusiastic street riding, and hammering through gears isn't impeded by it.

>>17032337
Because that is what it is designed for...
Doesn't mean it can not be registered though..
Same with the crf250/450x, rmx250/450z, ktm 250/450exc etc...

How come it feels so insecure when riding my bike

>>17032382
Git gud.

>>17032382
Low test

>>17032369
Why are light blue bikes so rare?

>>17032363
Yeah. I didn't mean having revs available is a problem. It's just
>"low" tork means you have to rev to make power
>close gear ratios are used so you can keep it in the power band while going fast
>close gear ratios have the disadvantage of not getting into the power band right away when launching
>then even in top gear you're at like 7k+ rpm just to cruise at 75mph. Not ideal for cruising in my opinion.

>Lightweight chassis, powerful engine.
A liter chassis really isn't much heavier than that of a 600.

>>17032187
I don't know your location but he'd get 5 for it here in California fairly easy.

They don't make a bunch of power but they ride well and are super reliable. Not a bad bike if you have been out of the game for a while and you'll be riding mild dirt on the regular.

>>17032341
Shorter gears don't help when the torque curve is peakier.
The powerband is considerably narrower on 600s.

>>17032358
>suspension hasn't advanced since the late 90s
Dumbest shit I read all day. electronically controlled damping is a big one and iterative improvements to conventional suspension have made a significant difference.

>>17032369
what do you mean every second suzuki/yamaha is yellow, green is simply kawasaki's thing.

>>17032331
>In other senses, such as demands on the rider, the viffer is a higher-class bike.
As a new (year and change on a 125) the VFR800Fi is pretty damn easy to handle.

>>17032394

That's true, though they tend to have more compact geometry. Like the GSXR600 is noticeably smaller than the 1000. But then the 750 is like, 85% the power of the 1000 in the smaller package. A good compromise if you're somebody that is too scared of a litrebike, even though the 750 is meant to be ballistic.

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>>17032369

>>17032276
Not in the US. In some states, certain dealers may hook you up with a plate but it doesn't come from the factory with any of the equipment to be street legal here. And US law says they're really not supposed to be on the road anyway. Some states or dealers just find a way around that.

>>17032377
>Doesn't mean it can not be registered though..
In many states, it does.

>>17032201
Detached basement.

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>>17032404
I stand corrected on my assumption then.
If you find yourself near Belgium & are keen to, we can find out first-hand.

>>17032418
>freedumbs
Why do Americans try to pick on the bikes people in other countries ride when the only dirt bikes you can ride unless on private property or a track are pieces of shit like the drz400, wr250r and crf250l?

>>17032397
Electronic suspension is only available in a few models over the past couple years. It's not even that big of a deal since traditional suspension can be set up to work the same if you know what you're doing.
By the early 2000s, they had figured out what kind of geometry works well and how to dampen bumps. There's not a whole lot you can do (for handling) to advance from there other than electronics.

>>17032432
>typical Belgian highway.jpg

>>17032432
Bit of a trek from London, but I should find a reason to do a Euro tour at some point anyway (while we still can with ease. Fucking morons). Maybe take a trip to CERN next time they shut down and open tunnel access.

>>17032436
The three bikes you mentioned are all good bikes.

>>17032464
As >>17032432 I can confirm, this post is not satire.

>>17032472
>Bit of a trek from London
M8, I've ridden to London & back three times in the past two years. Easy weekender. Hell, I'll meet you halfway, just pick one:
>Calais/Folkestone
>Hook of Holland
If you'd rather head the other way, I'm pretty keen to head over to Isle of Man TT 2018.

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>>17032476
No they are not good bikes, pic related are good bikes.

>>17032369
Yellow is an ugly colour and Green is associated with Kawasakis (same reason why you don't see many red Suzukis).

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>>17032517
>Yellow is an ugly colour

>>17032514
I live in the US and own both a DR-Z400S and a street legal 450EXC. The EXC has more power and internal gearing ratios as well as being slightly lighter. So when looking at the numbers the EXC has better performance.
However the DR-Z is a better bike in my opinion. It's more reliable and longer-lasting. It is more durable. It is more comfortable to ride for a long time. And it has better suspension. Despite what people will tell you about the DR-Z having "old and outdated" suspension, it does work really really well.

I will probably sell the EXC and keep the DR-Z.

>>17032419
Maybe, but it one I pay for so I am proud of living in my hole above ground.

>>17031869
I'm a second-year rider on an R3, started out on a Ninja 250. For any anons unfamiliar with the inside-baseball, the Ninja 250 is ranked somewhere in the 3-5 range of best bike, while the R3 and GS500 duke it out over the 1 and 2 slots.

I was always impressed by the performance of the Ninja 250, but it just isn't in the same league as my R3. The drop-off in engine performance when you leave the 250cc class is pretty steep, and it must be even steeper when you look at sub-250cc bikes. I mean this in the least arrogant way possible.

The consensus on /dbt/ is that most of the value-added comes from the additional low-end torque. I can't speak to the quality of other bikes, but the dominance of the R3 self-perpetuates pretty easily. Knowing that I'm riding the best performing bike for its class is a comforting thought.

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Hey guys I dropped my helmet on the ground last night in pitch fucking black and my visor popped off. When I try to put it back on it doesnt stay clipped on the side. Did some pieces pop off when I dropped it? What are they called and where can I get some more?

>>17032571
lel the garbage helmet guy is trying another strategy to get advice for his shit

>>17032559
>drz has better suspension than a ktm
Not the bikes fault you have not had it tuned for your weight m8.
When both are tuned properly that ktm will always have better suspension than the drz will.

>>17032571
Would you consider comparing the fittings on that side of your helmet to, say, the fittings on the other side of your helmet? I would guess that they should be somewhat comparable, relevant to the purposes of your investigation, perhaps.

>>17031869
GSXR750

>>17032571
did you drop the helmet on the ground or in the garbage bin?

>>17032571
Go put it back in the trash can you found it in yesterday.
Do you think this thread is not the same 50 or so people every day or something?

>>17032580
Nah. The DRZ suspension is really good at suspending the bike.
>inb4 upside down is better memes
Being upside down gives no advantage when it comes to springing or damping. In fact it can even lead to more trouble with damping because the oil isn't at the large end where most of the work occurs.

The linkage shock does have a definite advantage over PDS shock though. PDS stands for "progressive damping system," yet it cannot provide as natural of a progression as a typical linkage system can.

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>>17032571
Bin buddy is back.
>Don`t lose a gear, bin that headgear.

>>17032571
Just put it back in the trash where you found it.

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>>17032600
>this guy thinks the suspension on a bike that is notoriously bad is good
One of the most common upgrades for a drz is to the rmx/rmz suspension and people do it for a good reason.
And again go get your WP suspension set up properly, maybe buy a stiffer spring for the rear while you are at it.

>>17032517
>yellow ducatis
>yellow cagiva
>yellow ferraris
>yellow alfa romeo spyder

pleb

>>17032644
either way a DRZ will be much MUCH less maintenance than KTM dual sport.

>>17032644
The only thing I've done to either of them is set the sag and turn clickers. If the KTM requires more "setting up" then it really isn't better, now is it?
The shock on the DR-Z is great. The forks have room for improvement but they're good enough. Never heard anything bad from reviewers other than saying it could use some stiffer springs in the front if you're fat or revalving if you're really picky.
The forks on the EXC are okay. The shock is terrible.
Of the two, I would choose the one with the better shock. Forks are easy to service. Shocks are generally far more complex, and considered by factory service manuals to be "non-rebuildable" by the user. They are especially complex in the case of the PDS.

>>17032661
It will also be worse at everything it does

>>17032676
>better suspension
>easier to manage power delivery
>last longer
>cheaper
>more comfortable to ride
>less fuel consumption
>more aftermarket parts
>more community support
>better electrical system
>better subframe
>better lighting
>better kickstand
>better chain sliders
>bar clamps that aren't prone to getting knocked crooked

is there any picture-graph with info on the brands? with at least some truth to it.

Like italian bikes spending more time with tony, the mechanic, than riding.

>>17032691
>last longer
>cheaper
>less fuel consumption
the only actual points you have.. and they are irrelevant. buy a fucking scooter

>more aftermarket parts
>more community support
because the bike is fucking trash and needs literally everything replaced to be half shit instead of compete shit

How uncomfortable would it be to ride 800 km on a sport bike?

>>17032700
Japanese bikes are all practically the same in terms of performance and reliability. People will sperg over muh dinos and consumer reports but realistically the margin is so small it is negligible.

>>17032703
Going to buy a bike in an hour, its going to be 830 on a sunday night.

>where the fuck am I going to get the title notarized?

>>17032703
medium.
Do it all at top speed and get it done in 2 hours.

>>17032012
That's pikes peak, not Canada

> Clip ons are unsafe because you can't see as far ahead when you're tucked into the bike!!!1!
> what about taller clip ons, clubman bars that are also unsafe, and aftermarket
> OEM ONE PIECE BARS ONLY NO FAST JAP BIKES ALLOWED REEEEEEE FUCKING WEEBS

>>17032691
>better suspension
No.
>easier to manage power delivery
Having less power is not a bonus
>last longer
Depends on how well you maintain either bike
>cheaper
used drz is way more expensive than an exc, drz carry a poofter tax.
>more comfortable to ride
Neither are comfortable to ride
>less fuel consumption
Depends how you ride either, sure the exc will use more fuel at full throttle because it simply is capable of revving higher and using more fuel while it does but at low rpm 10 litres would get you about the same distance.
>more aftermarket parts
You are kidding right? you can put an aftermarket everything on a KTM.
>more community support
Reddit is not a community.
>better electrical system
I will give you that one.
>better subframe
Is heavier really better?
>better lighting
Put the road lights on the ktm instead of the enduro lights then?
>better kick stand
buy an aftermarket one then
>better chain sliders
Lies to be honest
>bar clamps aren't prone to getting knocked crooked
Like no bikes are prone to that?
bar clamps never break and if they do it was normally a fucking brutal crash.

>>17031877
Silly faggot

>>17032233
A sporty 1000cc vtwin is better for street and road riding, more useable power delivery and grunt

>>17032751
are we really going to do this?

>yes. PDS sucks
>the lighter flywheel and the different style carb just make the EXC twitchier.
>it does last longer even with proper maintenance on both. Have you seen the maintenance schedules? Having to replace the piston every 200 hours at best isn't what I would consider long lasting.
>the bikes cost about the same amount up-front to purchase, then the KTM will continue costing where the DR-Z won't (much)
>DR-Z is comfortable enough I can ride all day (dual sport). The seat on the KTM is like a plank and I can't deal with it long.
>I've tested fuel consumption for both when dual sporting. Even with the taller sixth gear, the EXC still burns a little more fuel per mile. Smaller tank too.
>It is getting hard to find aftermarket parts for this generation of EXC (2001-2007). Can't find an oil cooler for less than $400 since apparently nobody makes them anymore.
>what are model-specific forums
>k
>The EXC really doesn't have any subframe at all beyond the seat. It has a little plastic brace to support the weight of the tail light. The DR-Z has an actual subframe capable of carrying some luggage.
>the stator output on the EXC isn't enough to even get full output from a 60W bulb.
>even the frame mounting tabs for the kickstand on the EXC will break off. The whole kickstand setup is just like a shitty afterthought that doesn't really work at all.
>I bought a new chain slider for the EXC when I bought it wore out in like 1k miles. That's just ridiculous
>the bar clamps don't have any dowel pins to center them to the top triple clamp. They're just kind of free to wiggle on their bolt and my bars keep getting crooked

>>17032720
>>17032714
If I stretch and walk around a bit when getting gas would it be better?

>>17032838
It would be extremely painful

>>17032842
/tv/ pls go

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Cleaning up 40 years of bullshit. Rebuilding some Mikunis.

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>>17032874

Bit of progress.

>>17032817
What is it with DRZ riders insisting they have the best bike in the world? It's a fine bike but trying to say it's better than a 450 EXC is laughable.

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what can you guys tell me about bimota?

all i know is that they are old, italian, and the girl from golden boy fucks one.

>>17032891
fucking hell, bikes are so sexy they just make me want to learn to ride one so I can own it.

>>17032891
well, 1972 isnt that old compared to others.

>>17032884
Not saying it's the best bike in the world. It's not great at any particular thing. It just strikes a really good balance for the dual sport world. The EXC makes a good dirt bike. I just don't have the time/money to go out and ride single track every weekend. The DR-Z makes more sense for me (and most other casual riders).

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https://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/mcy/6091091607.html

Post weird shit from your local CL.

>>17032891
I didn't realize what she was grinding into was a real bike. Benkyoushte new every day.

>>17031662
that revving sound when people skid, I'v heard it personally

>>17032913
https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/w4m/6089871190.html

>>17031662
drive a yamaha R1. that crossplane shit makes it sound good.

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>>17032913
https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hnp/mcy/6063058624.html

>>17032576
>>17032587
>>17032589
>>17032606
>>17032635
aw heck. I thought bikerfags would be stupider. just give me the advice I want u fuckheads.

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>>17032582
sorry dude but both sides popped off when I dropped it. all I have is this cool sun-visor thing now.

fuck yeah got some people interested in my cutesie GS500..SV here i come

>>17033000
No you found it in the trash
We aren't retarded

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Waiting on parts fucking sucks.

Can't fit anything and start fabricating without having the motor in, motors apart while I wait for an oil seal kit to finish rebuilding it, can't mock up controls, can't fit the rear fender without knowing my offset.Can''t rebuild seat pan until fender is on, fuckin fuckity fuck.

Used a wheel that was kicking around.

>>17033000
>month old picture
Nice try tho

>>17032996
Us stupid?
you are the mongoloid that is dumpster diving a $50 helmet and wanting to spend money on it when you don't even need it.

>>17033005
Nice rear suspension

>>17033017
Nice dick

>>17033017

>suspension

Wattenzefuch is that?

>>17033019
Better than yours after you hit a pothole

>>17031692
obese girls can't ride bike

>>17033022
Mmm I got a pothole for u to hit bb

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>>17033026

>>17033005
that looks like it'd make the ass hurt

>>17033022

That dick complimenting fella ain't me, have you never rode a proper chop? I don't mean some weird conglomeration of parts but one built for actually riding.. mid-mount pegs high bars, if you potholes, railroad tracks, neighbours cat all you do is hang bar, apply pressure to feet on pegs and hover your ass.

This isn't as easy to do on some West Coast wannabes bike with a sprung solo and forward controls so far out your leg is basically straight but that's dumb and don't do that. I love you anon.

>>17033045
I got some ass that needs hurtin bby

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>>17031613
Do you guys leave your brights on? I usually only use it when there is no street lights but I feel like I'm blinding everyone. But when i look at jewtube vloggers they always have it on, making me feel like the weirdo.

>>17033047
>have you never rode a proper chop
No.

>>17032989
kinda neat desu

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>>17033051

If I wanted to look gay I'd just post pictures of my Harley.

>>17033057
Why the fuck does 4chan invert my phone pictures, shit is normal on my HDD

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How much should I offer him? What's the maximum I should pay?

>>17033057
no. Don't be a dick. You're searing people's retinas using them at night.

I'll use my high beam in broad daylight for a little extra visibility because it isn't going to hurt anyone at that point. I will turn it off as soon as it starts to get dark.

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>>17033058

You should sometime anon, I bet you'd have fun, I bet you'd have lots of fun.

>>17033057
During the day I always ride with my brights on, pretty much everyone does, it's far from blinding when it's light out. At night turn them off and use them as you would in a car obviously.

>>17033079
Alright was just double checkin, yeah I dont want to be the cunt on the road.

>>17033080
I don't know anyone with a motorcycle.

>>17033076
The price he has on it is fair with all the extras that it comes with.

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>>17033059
it's unfortunate that it's only 50cc
>>17032913
here's another that has been popping up every now and then.
https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ank/mcy/6090747123.html

>>17033076
Is everyone on /dbt/ buying XRRs? is it /ourbike/? And that's a fair price with two sets of wheels and that mileage, offer him $4k and meet in the middle.

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>>17033089

Hop on craigslist, find a $200 1970's japanese motorcycle, make friends with someone with a welder/shop.

Pardon the bum picture, I built this in a cave, from a box of scraps. It probably cost me all of $600 to finish and costs $22/m to insure.

This is in Canada so down there in the Americans it's probably about $30 and 5,000 K-Mart points.

>>17033103
like 1 anon has a 650 and maybe 1 other is looking at maybe buying one.
more people have the anime girls learner bike.

>>17033111
Wombat, CC81, that Italian anon, and I think one more have them, and that is the 3rd one posted in as many days that anons have been looking to buy.

>>17033120
I'm not in the market, but I found a guy selling a 650R and L in Ankeny, IA. Whichever one he sells, he's keeping the other. hah

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This one is cheaper, doesn't have the memewheels and is 4 years older. If I got the 2005 I would probably sell my DRZ400SM after I finish putting the piece of sit back together.

>>17033131
>keeping the L
Have you ever ridden an L? They are fucking trash.

>>17033141
I have only ridden CC81PTs 650R. This dude's ad says he likes both but for different reasons, so there's that.

V strom 650 or f700gs for adventuring for a month or 2

>>17033159
Wee Strom is a much better deal. No brainer.

>>17033159
F700gs is probably more capable

>>17033171
More capable at what exactly? They don't even come with wire wheels. People are just buying the BMW roundel when they get as F700GS.

>>17033191
>They don't even come with wire wheels
Neither does the V Strom.
Whats your point?

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>>17033166
>>17033171
>>17033198
Alrighty then. Say I'm bringing someone on the back for that adventure, which one would better keep them comfy? I'd get a 2000~ goldwing, but i'm expecting some rocky roads.

If I plaster anime girls all over my bike and do hektikk shit on public streets will the anti-fun police have an easier time giving me tickets?

>>17033223
you can't do hektik shit anyway so why bother imagining such scenarios.

>>17033198
What's your point? You said the F700GS is more capable, but on the street they are very comparable and neither are real adventure or offroad bikes. That's why I pointed out the lack of wire wheels on the F700GS despite being a more expensive bike.

>>17033210
>passenger
Why are you looking at an adventure bike at all? Get an V Strom 1000 if you have your heart set on playing Long Way Round.

When you say rocky roads, do you really mean gravel roads? If you do, just get whatever you want this side of a Goldwing and don't ride like an asshole when the pavement briefly ends.

>>17033229
I can go fast in a straight line

>>17033223
Only if they spot some lolicon tank pads

>>17033210
for mostly offroad, the BMW will be better. For mostly onroad the V Strom will be better

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>>17033234
that ain't hektik, are you american or something? LOL

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>>17033237
What makes the F700GS better? The Vstrom is lighter, costs less, has the same shitty alloy wheels, nearly identical power.

Tell me why you would ever buy an F700GS over a V strom 650?

If we were talking about the F800GS I would say that one, but they are really expensive, especially in ADV guise.

You fags are just spouting BMW memes at this point. This coming from someone who drank the BMW koolaid years ago.

>>17033232
I don't really need a liter bike since -this is a spoiler- she's like less than 50 kilos -end spoiler-
Maybe a few actual rocky roads but, yeah. Mostly gravel.

>>17033260
Plus gear. How fast do you expect to be traveling? The 650 will do it, but the extra power will be welcome for extended two-up riding at highway speeds.

Regardless, ADV bikes are not designed with passengers in mind. I would get something else. Whatever you decide on, make sure you install a backrest. No, a top case is not a substitute for a backrest unless it's designed as such.

>>17033273
No faster than 90km. Maybe a bit above that on the rural highways. Probably 100km max.

Yeah. I was thinking about just teaching her to ride a bit. But she's barely 5 feet and a bit skittish so I don't like the idea of letting her on a bike herself.

Guess it's a wee strom with a backrest unless some amazing off roadable goldwing comes out. And I get the extra organs I need to sell so I can afford it.

>>17033258
F700GS has longer suspension travel than the V Strom 650. It also has the tail mounted tank set up that the F800GS has, keeping the weight centralized. The F700GS and the V Strom 650XT are $600 apart MSRP without either of them having crash protection or luggage. It would probably come down to personal preference.

>>17033313
Go sit on some bikes, take your skeleton girl with you.
Find one thats confortable for both.

Also, gravel roads tend to turn pretty rough so dont abandon the idea of an ADV bike. I think the V Strom is pretty perfect for what you are planing.

>>17033313
Why couldn't a goldwing ride down a gravel road?

>>17033313
My girlfriend is 5'5" and 115lb (good luck metric fag) and she rides. She has a Ninja 250 and just bought a V Strom 650. I rode the Strom home when we bought it and made me really jealous compared to my 2001 BMW R1150GS. The Strom is a seriously nice bike, especially for the price. Her strom has lowering links and a low seat pan and my girlfriend is fine on it unless there's a side hill or something.

If you get her to start riding, get used to picking her bike up in parking lots.

>>17033339
And the XT has fucking wire wheels, it's more ADV than the F700GS. A base V Strom is $8,800 and you can get a NICE one used for $3,500 all day fucking long.

So, you have a tiny bit of suspension travel on a bike that has wheels that are NOT suited for offroad travel where that extra suspension would be put to good use and a slightly lower center of gravity? Yeah, I'd spend $1,200 more for that...

>>17033366
Any bike can ride down a gravel road, most people are just too much of a shit cunt to take a bike down gravel without crashing

what do you guys do when you're in neutral at a long red light and your hands are free

>>17033372
Tap on the tank

>>17033372
twiddle my thumbs on my tank

>>17033384
This

>>17033372
tickle my balls

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>>17033371
true fax.

>>17033367
God damn, you are really mad aren't you?

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>>17033397
Continued.

We spent a month on the road.

>>17033399
No, you've just failed to make a point.

>>17033372
get in a quick nut whilst maintaining eye contact with the next car over.

>>17033372
I rev my bike to the limiter while i flip the bird at old people with my left hand

>>17033428
Stop

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>>17033436
But they were talking about how any bike can off road.

Also I thought it was a good photo but apparently not.
>war, weapon, horror
Checks out with the high risk motorcycle checklist.