Which one was the most improtant album of the 90's?

>>74301267
The Prodigy - Experience

Slint Spider

Slipknot

Stereolab - Emperor Tomato Ketchup

>>74301267

Important:
Nevermind > Loveless > OK Computer

Good:
Loveless > Nevermind > OK Computer

>>74301267
define ''important''

None of them

>>74301311
this

>>74301306
I raise you Dots and Loops.

>>74301313
Albums that did something.

>>74301366
Nirvana led to Nickleback
Loveless led to...nothing
Radiohead went electronic straight after

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>>74301267

>>74301411
Well, Loveless concluded a genre really.

Linkin Park - Hybrid Theory

>>74301445
lmao

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>>74301267

MBV did something new

mbv
prodigy experience
nevermind
ok computer

are good and """important""" >>74301366

I mean the byproducts of Radiohead and My bloody valentine are certainly better than the byproducts of Nirvana,but I'll say Loveless is more important followed by OKC

Laughing Stock

>>74302107
patrician answer. such a gem

>>74301267
the 90s were a mistake

>One sold over 30 million
>changed the mainstream music overnight
>btfo shitty hair metal
>formed a movement
>the rest are also good, but didn't have as close of an impact that the other did
You tell me.

>>74302177
>implying the 70s were better

>>74302130
probably this one, if we base it on pure influence

>>74302185
who the fuck said it was? fucking retard

>>74302184
>One sold over 30 million
>changed the mainstream music overnight

these are demerits

>>74302177
>t. grampa

>>74302184
I don't think Loveless sold that much but yeah it's definitely the best

>>74302197
you said it, i heard you.
mongoloids like you who hate the 90s go apeshit for 60s and 70s.

OKC > LOVELESS > FECES > NEVERMIND

Loveless > Nevermind > OKC

Loveless was an actually innovative work and one of the last truly forward thinking guitar-based records. Nevermind shot rock into the pop spotlight and extended its life by 15-20 years. OK Computer sorta killed Britpop and was a timely expression of turn of the millennium anxieties, but really it was mostly just in the right place at the right time.

>>74302227
LOVELESS > OKC > APHEX TWIN AMBIENTS > NEVERMIND

>>74302203
Now when it comes to making an impact on musical culture.

>>74301267
Nevermind is the most important, but not necessarily the best. I give that title to Loveless, but OKC is right behind it.

Why don't drop nineteens get more credit? Delaware came out in 91 and uses the same guitar tone as loveless, plus kick the tragedy is a straight classic song.

>>74301272
fpbp

>>74302428
desu The Prodigy and Aphex Twin are most important gods within 90s electronic music scene

>>74302467

Massive Attack?

>>74301469
>Concluded
Do you mean created?

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fav 3 of the 90s
1. Slint: Spiderland
2. Portishead: Dummy
3. Nine Inch Nails: The Downward Spiral

Dirt
Jar of Flies
Alice in Chains
Facelift

>>74302467
autechre?

>>74302508
>implying the jesus and mary chain or the cocteau twins didn't create the genre

Out of these three? Definitely Nevermind. It's not the best one but certainly the most influential, how's that even a question?

>>74302486
Seconded

>>74302572
>It's not the best one but certainly the most influential

influential on what, outside grunge?

>>74301329
>90s
>2001

>>74302508
>>74302553
Some credit A.R.Kane as being one of the pioneers too.

>>74302526
this anon gets it

>>74301267
Don't know what you mean with important but imma take it as influential, Nevermind was was the one. But when it comes to quality OKC > Loveless > Nvm

>>74302608
well they were the first to give it a name, but even they said they pulled influence from the coteau twins
some could even argue for the velvet underground truly inventing the "wall of noise"

>>74302107
>>74302162
Seriously? It sounds like generic buttmetal.

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>>74302602
>chronic 2001 was released in 2001
learn to read nigga

>>74302640
>some could even argue for the velvet underground truly inventing the "wall of noise"

but VU wall of noise wasn't dreamy.

Superunknown
Ten


Nirvana albums were worst of grunge

>>74302596
Alternative and guitar music as a whole

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>>74302684
>pearl jam
>important

>>74302720
>Pearl jam
>bad

Jeremy and Black alone are better than entire Nirvana discography senpai

>>74302734
>never once mentioned nirvana
keep projecting familia

>>74301267
In terms of influence, OKC = Loveless > Nevermind
In terms of popularity, Nevermind > OKC > Loveless
In terms of actual value of music, OKC = Loveless > Nevermind

>>74302734
just because you like a band doesn't mean they're important to music as a whole

>>74302689
those two terms are too generic. any example?
i mean, some band outside grunge influenced by nirvana.

>>74302750

Even if i didn't like Vedder-san and PJ, you can't say they are/weren't important. Pearl jam is one of most important bands of last decade you faggot.

What are you even saying? PJ has bigger fanbase than AIC and Soundgarden (though those are better)

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>>74301267

>>74302787
not even in the same discussion as Radiohead or Nirvana though
a fanbase doesn't mean everything

>>74302787
alice in chains >>>>> pearl jam > soundgarden

>>74302820
>Pearl jam > Soundgarden

you are literally retarded

kys

>>74302834
soundgarden are a boring and clunky band, who did not innovate a single thing in rock history.

>>74302862

literally end yourself NOW

>>74302862
what did pearl jam invent?

>>74302893

Eddie Vedder's hair

>>74302596
More emotional, personal songs instead of shreddings and party attitude.

>>74302820
Nirvana > other grunge bands(except for maybe AiC)

It's no contest, really.

>>74302903

That would be Aic you faggot

>>74302912

Nirvana is in no way on AiC's level of being emotional and innovative.

Jerry Cantrell and Layne Staley did just perfect voice harmonizing and stuff. They lyrics are dirtier and darker as well.

>>74302912
alice is chains are the best grunge band ever. i don't thing there's anything to discuss here.

>>74302936

KNOW MEEEEEEEEEE
BROKEN

>>74302913
AiC didn't have as near impact as Nirvana did, therefore less influence it gave. It's fucking common knowledge. I'm not even a Nirvana fan and I know this. Fuck off.

>>74302952
>Being popular among normies
>Good

fuck off and kys

>>74302936
Although they're good, they don't quite capture the raw lyrics and sound that Grunge is now known for. When you think of Grunge, you think of In Bloom, Come as you are, Drain you, etc.

To put in other words, Nirvana basically defined Grunge. AiC was great too, but was more on the heavy metal side of the spectrum.

>>74302958
not the guy you're replying to, but you're really an idiot
yeah you like AIC more than Nirvana, but you have to be pretty dumb to not realize that Nirvana is more INFLUENTIAL than AIC.
Personal opinions aside, this is just common sense.

The fact that so many books still name Nirvana as "the greatest or most significant or most influential" grunge band ever only tells you how far grunge music still is from becoming a serious art. Jazz critics have long recognized that the greatest jazz musicians of all times are Duke Ellington and John Coltrane, who were not the most famous or richest or best sellers of their times, let alone of all times. Classical critics rank the highly controversial Beethoven over classical musicians who were highly popular in courts around Europe. Grunge critics are still blinded by commercial success. Nirvana sold more than anyone else (not true, by the way), therefore they must have been the greatest. Jazz critics grow up listening to a lot of jazz music of the past, classical critics grow up listening to a lot of classical music of the past. Grunge critics are often totally ignorant of the rock music of the past, they barely know the best sellers. No wonder they will think that Nirvana did anything worthy of being saved.

>>74302989
dude, grunge was bigger than Cobain's pretty face

>>74302952
Fucking faggot, the more popular the music, the more people can draw inspiration and influence from. Many bands have cited Nirvana as their influence, either from the lyrical or drumming standpoint. Fucking drown yourself in acid.

>>74303020
Nirvana was and still is bigger than grunge

>>74303023
>>74302958

>>74303020
Yes, but Nirvana pretty much put it on the map. I don't care what you contrarians think if it was a band thing or not, point is it defined Grunge and gave many people and future bands another genre to look into and be influenced by.

>>74303056
>influenced Three days Grace and Nickelblack
>xDDDDDDDDDDD

kys

>>74303033
if you are talking from an economic perspective, yes.

>>74302993
nice pasta
also
>grunge
>art
top kek

>>74303073
that's a hot argument
10/10

>>74303080

AiC influenced Godsmack which is better band

>>74303073
>fell for the nickelback is bad meme
And you're calling me a normie lol

God damn this thread got derailed hard
Stay blessed, /mu/

>>74303106
Shitkelblack has one good song

kys

>>74302993
t, scaruffi

>>74303108
never change, a thread promoting actual discussion devolves into shit flinging whilst a shitpost gets 300 replies

>>74302992
>you have to be pretty dumb to not realize that Nirvana is more INFLUENTIAL than AIC.

In what sense? What is this based on? Surely Nirvana has sold more records but that doesn't mean 'influential' to me. 'Grunge' was a thing before Nirvana as far as I know, 'invented' by the other Seattle bands. Nirvana could be credited for being inspired by punk, but I don't think they were particularly 'influential' on that sector either.

popular =/= influential imo

>>74303089
Nirvana influenced

- Bush (like, straight up, how do we sound exactly like Nirvana)
- Weezer (Rivers is very scared of, and yet so desires, a comparison to Kurt Cobain)
- Radiohead (they obviously went to other places but do you think "Creep" would have happened without Nirvana?)
- a bazillion nu metal bands from the late 90's
- Foo Fighters (like, obviously)
- Almost every other mid-90's band (like, I dunno, Marcy Playground and stuff)

>>74303151
Look at it like this

>band sells lots of records
>they hear about it on the radio/tv/friends
>normies and future bands buy record
>they enjoy it and produce music inspired by said band from said record
It's as easy as that. Nirvana simply had the most influence because it was able to reach a lot of people. That's like making an argument that the Beatles weren't influential because of their success.

>>74301311
Perfect

>>74303120
how in the jesus fuckery is this a ''thread promoting actual discussion'' lls

>>74301272
The Fat of the Land is better.

>>74302596
Nevermind basically killed the 80's.

>>74301311
High quality post
Fuck radiohead

>>74302816
this

>>74301311
Important: Nvm - Loveless - OKC
Good: OKC - Loveless - Nevermind

>>74303318
>Doing the flippity do
This is not how any of this works.

>>74301311
Radiohead influenced way more bands than MBV

>>74303207

By your logic Linkin Park is the most influential band ever.

>>74303358
It depends, have any bands/artist been brave enough to cite them as their influence? early 2000 kids must have grown up at this point.

>>74301329
Why the hell would you choose this over the Chronic?

>>74302651
lol pleb

>>74303421
Bring Me The Horizon cited Linkin Park as an influence.

>>74303234
what does that even mean
i bet you all say nevermind was influential because some critic told you so.

>>74302936
This... although if you cast the net wide enough the Melvins are a serious threat to the crown.

Something we can agree on.

In Utero > Bleach > Insecticide = Nevermind

>>74304277
Replace In Utero with Incesticide and it's perfect.

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>>74301267
Discussion over

>>74301311
t h i s

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Slint-Spiderland

>>74304277
This is correct

>>74303237
>>74303237
Agreed

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>>74301267
Faith No More - Angel Dust
Slint - Spiderland
Kyuss - Welcome to Sky Valley
White Zombie - La Sexorcisto

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>>74301267

>>74304296
Everything after siamese dream was shit

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What's going on pigs.

Nevermind changed popular culture and indie subculture at the same time. It's no contest and u have toq be a retarded contrarian to suggest otherwise.

Important was Ok Computer

Best was Vacuum cleaners the album

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one of the best from that decade. mu isn't into electronica, is it?

>>74304854
that's deep house

>>74304832
>Nevermind changed popular culture and indie subculture at the same time

how nevermind changed them?
any example? an hint?

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>>74301267

>>74304854
On /mu/ it goes...

Rock (divide into 768 subgenres)
Rap
Folk(-rock)
Waifupop
''''IDM'''''
Jazz
'''''electronic''''' for everything from ambient to splittercore
Classical

>>74303440
Chronic aged like milk
2001 still sounds good and better than some albums released now

Neither Nevermind nor Ok Computer were important at all.

My candidates:
Ground-Zero - Revolutionary Pekinese Opera
Komar & Melamid & Dave Soldier - The People's Choice Music
Godspeed You Black Emperor! - FA∞
Naked City - Torture Garden
John Oswald - Plexure
Peter Sotos - Buyer's Market
Judy Dunaway - Balloon Music
Oval - 94 Diskont

Acceptable answers ITT:
>>74301272
>>74301276
>>74302169
>>74304392

Haven't listened to this one so I can't tell:
>>74302130

>>74304923
And you also have to add that rock (and waifupop since its a subgenre of rock most of the time) is like 60% of the board, with hip hop being 20%, and about 10% "IDM"

Forgot to add >>74305073

Earth - Earth 2: Special Low Frequency Version
Hans Reichel - Shanghaied on Tor Road
Yasunao Tone - Solo for Wounded CD

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>>74304923
if you want i can call it deep house also, but the generic term is electronic music (including minimal techno, house, acid, idm, dub techno, trans, dubstep, 2 step)


2 step sample from one of my fav albums from the 00's

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZy_5-OvvLg

>>74302467
basic channel
maurizio
drexciya
Dopplereffekt
jeff mills
e dancer
moodymann
oval
robert hood
and many many more

>>74305073
>Neither Nevermind nor Ok Computer were important at all.
In what universe is this rubbish true?

>>74301267
All three were

>>74305073
>Neither Nevermind nor Ok Computer were important at all.
Do you remember when they came out?

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Obviously this

>>74301411
>implying musicians today like mac demarco and DIIV would be anything without loveless

>>74305073
You're working with a weird definition of important if you don't see how big of an impact Nevermind or OKC had.

>>74302467
No.

>>74305355
>>74305386
>>74305425
Well, they were culturally important albums, but musically? Not at all. And this is a music board, not a sociocultural one, so...

>>74305418
>implying musicians today like mac demarco and DIIV are anything

>>74302553
they were more proto-shoegaze in my opinion. It really wasn't until loveless that the genre had a set definition.

>>74305431
>Well, they were culturally important albums
Exactly.
>but musically?
Not relevant.

>>74305431
Are you still on about this? Jesus christ you are cringey

>>74305431
those are just two examples of musicians that are gaining a lot of popularity and recognition in todays music scene. whether you like them or not doesn't change the fact that they both have pretty big followings at this point.

>>74305441
I thought since we were on a music board when we talk about relevance we are referring to musical relevance, no?

>>74305442
What's wrong? This is a completely new argument compared to yesterday.

>>74305467
>those are just two examples of musicians that are gaining a lot of popularity and recognition in todays music scene
Yeah, but neither are musically relevant at all. They are just popular. Justin Bieber also has a lot of popularity and recognition in todays music scene, so what's your point?

>>74305498
Are you even capable of not being a queer?

>>74305498
>I thought since we were on a music board when we talk about relevance we are referring to musical relevance, no?
Not really, since that is subjective. What makes something musically relevant, anyways?
In contrast, social impact would be more objective.

Also, do you really believe OP wasn't meaning social impact?

>>74304923
are you that autist who always posts that thread

>>74305512
>Are you even capable of not being a queer?
>>>/pol/
>>>/lgbt/
>>>/b/

>>74305523
>Not really, since that is subjective.
We are not allowed to talk about subjective things?
>What makes something musically relevant, anyways?
I'm pretty sure we both know that some albums are more musically relevant than others, so I don't see the point of your question.

>In contrast, social impact would be more objective.
Probably, but it's not relevant when it comes to music.

>Also, do you really believe OP wasn't meaning social impact?
Yes

>>74305431
>Well, they were culturally important albums, but musically? Not at all.
Nevermind and OKC brought down rock a few notches back to earth. At the time(and probably ever) rock was all about parting and getting laid. It focused more on lyrics than shredding solos and power balads.

>>74305566
>We are not allowed to talk about subjective things?
If you are not willing to intelligently qualify them and explain, then you are better off not speaking at all.
>I'm pretty sure we both know that some albums are more musically relevant than others, so I don't see the point of your question.
You don't know the point of agreeing on a common rubric to state if something is musically relevant or not? I expect more form you.
>but it's not relevant when it comes to music.
It is, because it's cyclical. Music informs the populace, and the populace informs music. To separate music from the soiciocultural identity would be folly and taking music out of context.
>Yes
But you admit that OP chose three albums that were culturally import, even though you don't think they were musically important (whatever that means). Did you think it was coincidence or are you being willfully ignorant?

>>74305584
>At the time(and probably ever) mainstream rock was all about parting and getting laid.
There, fixed it for you.
Actually, it's not even true for mainstream rock. See: Pink Floyd and Prog Rock who were the best selling artists of their time.

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>>74305618
>Pink Floyd and Prog Rock
Oh, which album from the 90s was that?
>mainstream rock
Are microgenres and subgenres really that important in the big picture?

>>74305615
>If you are not willing to intelligently qualify them and explain, then you are better off not speaking at all.
Does not follow.

>You don't know the point of agreeing on a common rubric to state if something is musically relevant or not? I expect more form you.
That's not what I asked you. I asked you if we both could agree that there are albums more musically relevant than others. Once we agree on that, we can try to discern how to quantify such relevance.

>It is, because it's cyclical. Music informs the populace, and the populace informs music.
Only if you are dealing with mainstream music. There is way more to music than that.

>But you admit that OP chose three albums that were culturally import, even though you don't think they were musically important (whatever that means). Did you think it was coincidence or are you being willfully ignorant?
Loveless was not culturally important, so no, I never admitted that.

>>74305622
No

>>74305660
>Does not follow.
How so? Do you know what a conversation is?
>I asked you if we both could agree that there are albums more musically relevant than others
I also asked you how old you were when OKC and Nevermind were released, and you didn't answer. Reciprocity.
>Only if you are dealing with mainstream music.
How so?

>>74305660
I honestly think you have autism. Not as a joke

All Eyez on Me or 2Pac's Greatest Hits

>>74305652
>Oh, which album from the 90s was that?
See
>At the time(and probably ever)
>and probably ever
>rock was all about parting and getting laid.
I should have specified, I guess, but you get the idea.

>Are microgenres and subgenres really that important in the big picture?
Are you talking about Grunge and Alternative Rock?

>>74305689
>How so? Do you know what a conversation is?
Eh, okay, I wrote a bad thing there. Ignore what I said there.

>I also asked you how old you were when OKC and Nevermind were released, and you didn't answer.
Because that's irrelevant.

>How so?
Because non mainstream music is not influenced by the "populace"-

>>74305707
I know I don't, but thanks.

>>74305738
Im serious. You have autism

>>74305738
>Are you talking about Grunge and Alternative Rock?
I am talking about the same subgenres you are taking about
>Because that's irrelevant.
So your answer is you weren't born yet?
>Because non mainstream music is not influenced by the "populace"-
How so? Show us a few examples.

>>74305769
I don't. You should make some research on what autism actually is.

>>74305778
>I am talking about the same subgenres you are taking about
You were talking about micro genres and sub genres not being very important but the albums you posted are both from a specific subgenre and microgenre. So what's up with that?

>So your answer is you weren't born yet?
Again, that has nothing to do with this argument, so I don't know why you are bringing it up.

>How so? Show us a few examples.
You can't actually prove that logically speaking. You should provide a counter argument instead of a proof of non mainstream music being influenced by the "populace".

>>74305840
>but the albums you posted are both from a specific subgenre and microgenre. So what's up with that?
Oh, rock is a subgenre of what?
>so I don't know why you are bringing it up.
Of course you do, that's why you won't answer it
>You can't actually prove that logically speaking. You should provide a counter argument instead of a proof of non mainstream music being influenced by the "populace".
Well how it works is you give an example to back up the claim YOU initially made, and I'll disprove it

You won't because you know I can, so you are trying to redesign how debates work so that you'll always be right and won't have to admit you were wrong.

Go ahead.

>>74305840
I do know what autism is thanks, my brother has it. And trust me you come across like you do

>>74305885
>Oh, rock is a subgenre of what?
Grunge and Alternative Rock are subgenres of Rock.

>Of course you do, that's why you won't answer it
I don't. How is it relevant to this argument? If you can answer that for me I can answer your question, otherwise it's drifting the argument away from the relevant point.

>Well how it works is you give an example to back up the claim YOU initially made, and I'll disprove it
You can't prove that "X does not influence Y", it's a statement that can only be proven wrong, but never right. So you should provide a counter argument instead.

>You won't because you know I can, so you are trying to redesign how debates work so that you'll always be right and won't have to admit you were wrong.
it has nothing to do with how debates work, it has to do with how demonstrations work. I posted above why it can only be proven wrong but never right anyways.
Now, realistically speaking, if there is no proof to the contrary, it follows that it's very likely my statement is true (again, if there is no proof to the contrary).

>>74305947
How come?

>>74305964
>Grunge and Alternative Rock are subgenres of Rock.
OK but i was talking about rock. Those are both Rock albums
>How is it relevant to this argument?
Well, would you agree that one who observed a cultural zeitgeist shift first hand would be more credible than ones who didn't? Do you thi9nk understanding context is import?
>You can't prove that "X does not influence Y", it's a statement that can only be proven wrong, but never right. So you should provide a counter argument instead.
So you made a mistake in choosing an argument that cannot be proven wrong. You should reevaluate your argument.
>if there is no proof to the contrary, it follows that it's very likely my statement is true
This is misdirection

Show me some subgenres not influenced by the mainstream please.

>>74305418
what? demarco and diiv sounds nothing like loveless.
or maybe you think loveless invented reverb in rock? lmao

>>74301267
The Soft Bulletin.
Which, coincidentally, is the most misunderstood album of all time too.

>>74306127
>the most misunderstood album of all time too.
How so?

>>74306029
1) Why did you mention the subgenres and micro genres thing? Misdirection?

2) Are you misdirecting the argument on purpose? I never denied the cultural impact of those albums, I was only talking about musical impact.

3) On the contrary. I chose an argument that can't proven right, but can be proven wrong.

4) No misdirection. It's how the provability of some statements work.

5) Like I said before, the statement can't be proven right, it can only be proven wrong.

>>74306123
You seriously thought someone quoting those two artists would have any significant musical knowledge? lol

>>74306127
Nah, but it's a respectable effort.

>>74306139
Nobody has a copy with the correct track listing, unless they purchased the 5.1 and rearranged the track listing according to the P4K documentary.
I was lucky enough to get a version temporarily on iTunes which had all the correct tracks, no remixes, which I simply needed to put in a certain order, and remove (Remix) from one track which wasn't actually a remix.
It's ranked 171 overall on RYM I think because of all these misunderstandings. It really sucks that no one who could want to check out this album will be getting the full story.

>>74306211
>1) Why did you mention the subgenres and micro genres thing?
You were the one who seemed to imply here >>74305618 that they are more important than the mainstream. Did I misinterpret you?
>2) Are you misdirecting the argument on purpose?
Are you going to answer the question? it is relevant.
3) On the contrary. I chose an argument that can't proven right, but can be proven wrong.
OK, then let's get that over with. What subgenres are not influenced by the mainstream?
>>74306227
>Nobody has a copy with the correct track listing
I do.
>according to the P4K documentary.
Not correct the tracklisting

I can understand your point though, you seem to misunderstand Soft Bulletin.

>>74306227
Reminds me of Since I Left You. Most popular edition is actually incomplete and the original is rare as fuck.

>>74306306
1) I never said anything about subgenres before you did.

2) It's not relevant. We were talking about musical impact, not cultural.

3) Avant Prog

Repeater-steady diet-kill taker-red medicine could all be considered
In utero
Don cab ii or what burns
1000 hurts
pills thrills n bellyaches
pygmalion
laughing stock
fucking lots mane

>>74306515
>1) I never said anything about subgenres before you did.
OK, then what did you mean when you corrected anon's post?
>We were talking about musical impact
No, YOU were. We were all talking about cultural. Then I asked you to define what "musical impact" is, and you wouldn't do it. So I didn't discuss it any further.
>3) Avant Prog
A genre specifically trying to shy away from the mainstream is hence effected by the mainstream

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Anyway, nevermind influenced nothing outside grunge.
You can prove me wrong if you want.

>>74306615
It influenced the underground

>>74306635
what, who, where, when?

>>74306306
What?
The P4K documentary has the wrong track listing?
Is that your insinuation here?
Do you think Buggin' is SUPPOSED to come between TG and FYD?
No way, man.
There's no flow to the masterpiece that way.

>>74306650
Many underground artists got attention that they would not have gotten without Nirvana.

>>74306671
For example?

>>74306669
>The P4K documentary has the wrong track listing?
Well, what makes you think it's right?
>Do you think Buggin' is SUPPOSED to come between TG and FYD?
What? Buggin is before What Is The Light
>>74306679
The Flaming Lips for example, since other non and I are discussing them

>>74306598
That only mainstream rock of the time dealt with partying messages. Then he mentioned the subgenres thing.

If we are taking about cultural aspect then I agree with you. OK Computer and Nevermind were really relevant (Loveless wasn't though).

It doesn't shy away from the mainstream.

>>74306615
Correct.

>>74306635
Grunge was never underground anon.

>>74306671
You are moving goalposts now.

>>74306710
literally what, flaming lips sound nothing like nevermind or nirvana.

>>74306732
>That only mainstream rock of the time dealt with partying messages
Ah I see. Well that is still incorrect because Pop and Hip Hop also concerned themselves with partying
>If we are taking about cultural aspect then I agree with you. OK Computer and Nevermind were really relevant (Loveless wasn't though).
Fair enough

>Grunge was never underground anon.
It was in the mid-to-late 80s. Nice strawman though.

>You are moving goalposts now.
How so?

>>74306794
>flaming lips sound nothing like nevermind or nirvana.
When did I say they did?

Also, related, ever seen this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jA0TVzWStUs

>>74305073
delete your trip and then kys

>>74306732
Grunge was underground dumbass, until early 90s. You know nothing about music

>>74306615
YEA YOUR SOOO RIGHT!! Like, have you heard the new thing in the radio now? Fucking love that motley crue and Kiss band. Yea, party on dudes!!

>>74306710
What track listing do you use?
I practically KNOW the one I use is right, because if you listen very closely the first second of Slow Motion, you can hear the final sounds of The Spark That Bled.

>>74306872
why don't you prove me wrong?

>>74306837
nirvana have been so influential, why it's so hard to name some bands OUTSIDE OF GRUNGE influenced by them?

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>>74306797
1) Yeah, and that doesn't contradict anything I said...
I realize I made a mistake by writing "only", didn't mean it as "that only mainstream rock", but "only that mainstream rock". See the difference? My mistake on my part here I have to admit.

2) :)

3) Uhm, fair enough.

4) I thought you were taking about musical influence. If that's not the case then you are fine.

>>74306843
t. pleb

>>74306861
Fair enough.
Now, saying someone knows nothing about music for that is an exaggeration. I'm pretty sure most musciologists don't know that as well and you wouldn't say they know nothing about music.

>>74306872
This will never be not funny.

>>74306947
No, but it's nice.

>>74306943
How about almost all alt rock after 91

>>74306876
>What track listing do you use?
The one I first heard the day it was released. That is the correct one, whichever one you like or are attached to the most.
>I practically KNOW the one I use is right, because if you listen very closely the first second of Slow Motion, you can hear the final sounds of The Spark That Bled.
What's the source you are using? I just listened to the tail end of the unreleased rough mix and also the version from the Demastered album, and I'm not hearing it.

>>74306615
Are you seriously retarded, or is this bait? If the latter take your (you). But I'll bite just in case there's an off set chance that you're actually retarded.

Nevermind completely btfo fag rock and made music that emotionally resonated with the youth of that era. After that threshold, most rock songs where either emotional or angsty.

>>74301311
Every Radiohead album besides Pablo Honey is better than any given Nirvana album.

Kys, pleb.

>>74306977
Like Nickelback?

>>74307013
lmao

>>74307028
Yes, but that doesn't mean Radiohead is good either.

>>74306943
>why it's so hard to name some bands OUTSIDE OF GRUNGE influenced by them?
I just did. Flaming Lips
>>74306964
>but "only that mainstream rock". See the difference?
Ah! Well, that's why I started bringing up subgenres (meaning genres not in the mainstream, I suppose I wasn't clear enough...). Now do you see?
>4) I thought you were taking about musical influence
I'm not, I think musical influence is very relative, so we should discard that notion.

>>74307028
t. thom yorke

>>74307050
Sure nickelback is an example, music doesnt have to be good to be influenced

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>itt: trips impersonate CLT and The Tourist personas but fail miserably

I miss the old days of /mu/

>>74307059
I'm glad to see we could sort this argument out, seriously.

And sure, musical influence can be difficult to determine, but we can still come to certain agreements.

>>74307072
>bands musically influenced by Nirvana
Nickelback, the list goes on...

>>74307109
Nice strawman

>>74307109
>but we can still come to certain agreements.
I agree it can be a thing, but to what end is debatable.

>>74306943
Green Day.

>>74307106
Which one am I supposed to be?

I miss CLT too anyways, the guy had pretty good taste and knew how to debate.

>>74307119
Name 10 artists musically influenced by Nirvana.

>>74307120
Of course.

>>74307139
Are you so stupid you need a list? What part of all alt rock post 91 is hard to comprehend?

>>74307139
>Name 10 artists musically influenced by Nirvana.
http://www.lntvglobal.com/en-pl/article/10-artists-influenced-by-nirvanas-kurt-cobain/

>>74307155
>still no list
Thank you for proving me right.

>>74307195
If youre going to bait, at least put effort in

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>>74307139
>Name 10 artists musically influenced by Nirvana.
-The White Stripes
-Muse
-Three Doors Down
-RATM
-Weezer
-Blink 182
-Evanescence
-Green Day
-Foo Fighters
-Seether

I'll give you one more for the road, kiddo.
-Stone Temple Pilots

>>74307217
>-RATM
wat?

>>74307217
Thank you.

>>74307213
Are you really that stupid that you couldn't do something as simple as this?
>>74307217

>>74307139
>Name 10 artists musically influenced by Nirvana.
-Nickelback
-Linkin Park
-Nickelback
-Linkin Park
-Nickelback
-Linkin Park
-Nickelback
-Linkin Park
-Nickelback
-Linkin Park
/thread

>>74307215
I unironically enjoy that song

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>>74301267
None of those.

>>74307000
A temporary copy that was posted on iTunes.
It happened with 5.1 too, though.
And the thing is, anon, Warner Bros pressured them into including remixes on the release for commercial viability, thus rendering it antithetical to the artist's intention.

>>74302467
>people replying with literal whos during the 90s besides massive attack thinking they were important whatsoever in the electronic scene
lol
yes we know you all discovered autechre on a /mu/ list a month ago, it's okay

>>74307241
http://www.spin.com/2012/12/tom-morello-nirvana-smells-like-teen-spirit/

After they heard about Nevermind, they wanted to go to the same recording studio that Nirvana went to. It's safe to say that he was influenced by the album.

>>74301267
ok computer

>>74307310
>After they heard about Nevermind, they wanted to go to the same recording studio that Nirvana went to.
Shit I forgot about this.

>>74307248
I could, I just cant fathom that you cant think for yourself of any bands influenced by nirvana? Even so ill bite your bait

Modest Mouse
Foo Fighters
Radiohead
Green Day
Royal Blood
Linkin Park
Cage the Elephant
Arcade Fire
Weezer

>>74307297
>A temporary copy that was posted on iTunes.
Did you buy it from iTunes? Or download it form somewhere?
>Warner Bros pressured them into including remixes
Yep, they are bonus tracks. Just end/restart the album after Sleeping On The Roof.
>antithetical to the artist's intention.
They never stated their intention, and the fact that there's so many different configurations shows you their intent was to not have one singular tracklist, no?
>>74307310
To be fair, it's fucking Sound City, lots of classic albums were recorded there.

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>>74301267
pic related or Quicksand- Slip

>>74307397
If I remember right, they liked the sound of the drums.

>>74307397
Bought it from iTunes.
Motherfuckers removed it soon after.
Pisses me off.

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>>74305113
Earth mahnigga.jpg

>>74305073
>Neither Nevermind nor Ok Computer were important at all.
wew

>>74307468
If it was removed, maybe it's because it wasn't their artistic intent?

What my point is, is that although Pitchfork *showed* that tracklist, neither Wayne nor Steven said anything about it. So who decided to show that tracklist? Could have been an animation editor at Pitchfork for all we know. I'm pretty sure Wayne or Steven said that the tracklist is whatever you want it to be, so I go by that. And, after having been in this debate literally since it came out, I've come to the conclusion that people accept the "correct tracklist" as the one they first heard--the Americans like the US, the Europeans like the UK.

knowwhatimean? We are only talking about one fucking song anyways, this shouldn't be such a big deal.

>>74302354
this is very accurate

>>74307567
And the worst track at that.
I guess it just bothers me personally.
We can agree to disagree though, at least we're both enjoying a phenomenal record either way.
Great discussing this with you.

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>>74303337
And MBV influenced Radiohead, dipshit.

>>74301267
Nirvana is probably the most important because every teenage girl and fedora 13 year old like them. Loveless is by far the best out of these three.

>>74301267
probably Nirvana if i had to choose on importance.

>>74307269
lol

>>74303337
Name 10 bands influenced by them.

>>74307972
Thad just not true.

>>74302151
>byproducts of Radiohead
>Muse and Coldplay
>byproducts of Nirvana
>Creed, Bush, Nickleback
>byproducts of Loveless
>?????
help me out here

>>74301311
correct & true

>>74308373
A huge swathe of Indie rock

>>74306913
would have out waves but that came out in 2000. I guess Homework was one of the biggest french house albums back then to get popular. around the world is god like

>>74308373
>>byproducts of Loveless
Joys of Being Pure of Heart, Silversun Pickups, Ringo Deathstarr, etc

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I feel this album and gish are some of the best to come out of the 90's even if the band looks autistic

>>74301311
have to agree on importance

>>74302107
great album, completely overlooked

>>74302787
PJ rode the wave of Nirvana... it was grunge for college girls.

>>74308373

I'd say Mew for example, which is great stuff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O_aQyOHp_A

Loveless invented advance showgaze.

>>74302508

Shoegaze isn't a genre.

>>74303664
>what does that even mean
Think he's just saying it killed off the 80's rock in the early 90's.

>>74303228
Because questions makes us think you retard.
>t. OP

>>74301267
I'd say OK computer (out of these three at least) because it really pioneered a certain sound and influenced a lot of people. I feel like OK Computer really represents the indie sound of the 90s, but also is so dense and beautiful that it sort of transcends that typical indie sound as well. But honestly it's kinda hard to say because they're all so influential in they're own right, those three albums.

>>74305498
tripfags were a mistake

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everyone ITT is wrong

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>>74304296
lol no

>>74303078
>Bad art doesn't exist

>>74302521
>:
Disgusting

>Importance
Nevermind >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK Computer >> Loveless

>Quality
Loveless > Nevermind > OK Computer

>>74311905
Loveless influenced a whole genre, I'd say it's more important than OKC for sure, and even Nevermind for that matter. I agree for the most part though

>>74302097
important to memes maybe

>>74304923
Rock is just as varied as a those different electronic music variants you said, a subgenre of rock would be like a subgenre of electronic, house or something

>>74311990
Are you implying that Nevermind didn't influence Grunge and elsewhere?

Nevermind killed mainstream rock music

>>74312181
no, my point was that Loveless was more influential than OKC, and that Loveless was arguably more influential than Nevermind. for me, influence goes
Loveless>Nevermind>>>>>>>>>>OKC
and I agree with you on quality

>>74302130
This man has a good point.

>>74312183
>Nevermind killed mainstream rock music
>what is Green Day
>what is Linkin Park

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>>74305073
>neither Nevermind nor OK Computer were important at all

>>74305431
>musically? Not at all.

Most alt-rock post-Nevermind and OKC was trying to copy either of those. And I don't think we'd see as much of an ambient influence in music like Frank Ocean if OKC hadn't infused it with alt-rock.

You're being willfully ignorant of music history at this point.

SAW2

nevermind, loveless, ok computer

but based on whats actually good the order is reversed

>>74308373
Smashing Pumpkins

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>>74302720

>>74308373
literally any shoegaze band that came after them.

>>74301267
>Pop Music
>important

Loveless > OK Computer >>>>>>>>>>> Nevermeme