/classical/

Petzold

Petzold

i'm really depressed because no one on any board or website is talking about anything interesting or profound. I feel like the only person who wants to discuss music of more obscure or deeper varieties.

Reminder that if you haven't completed a music degree, you're only pretending to like classical music.

>>72318147
lol fag

People who actually understand music don't have time to waste their brains listening to inferior "music" like jazz (if you can even really call it music when classical exists). It quite simply isn't worth the time. You don't see people going around "appreciating" inferior things like dial-up internet when broadband exists. No one but an idiot would. Face it, until you have grown up you're quite simply a hobby music fan, listening to the pathetic squawking of tasteless amateurs.

Speaking of Carnegie Hall I just went there today to see a performance of Mozart's 33rd and 36th Symphonies along with his Piano Concerto 20

>>72318171
Show me your degree, Plácido. Nah, you probably have a STEM degree in which case you need to go back to listening to Kendrick Lamar.

>>72318200
t. future barista

>>72318147
Such as?

>>72318154
Not everyone is privileged enough for that

>>72318194
you're not impressing anyone

>>72318194
You went to Mozart alone? AHAHAHA*breathes in*HAHA

>>72318171
>can't into well made popular music
broaden your horizons or prepare for people to write you off as closed minded.
I bet you can't into traditional music either?

This general is truly the last bastion for fine arts discourse on the internet

>>72318214
I'm envy him for that desu

>>72318307
far far faaar from it

>>72318369
Name some others then. Seriously...

>>72318369
4chan is truly red-pilled though.

Name secular choral music please?

>>72318154
>not turning up at university to study an employable degree but getting more and more involved in classical music and realising that that is what you're actually interested in but realising you're actually a brainlet when it comes to classical music so through a combination of voraciously consuming all classical media you can get your hands on and shitposting on /classical/ you gradually build up your knowledge to the point that you know more about it than 90% of actual music students at your uni and are often told by members of the music department that you should do a postgraduate in music despite your degree course being in something else entirely.
Take the /classical/pill

>>72318630
Most Renaissance composers wrote secular choral pieces alongside their sacred ones. Anything called a chanson/madrigal is usually secular.

Is it okay to learn violin after the age of 20?
>tfw back then when was young a poor family
>tfw always impressed with classic disney cartoon

>>72318252
...yeah... it was kinda weird being the only guy there under the age of 50 too

>>72318727
Do you have any recommendation of such secular choral?
I need /classic/ redpill now because I realised that the music nowadays are shitty.

Post your own compositions

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Recommend me some similar Mass settings—besides Missa Hercules dux Ferrariae by Josquin des Prez.

>>72318672
I was talking to someone music students at my college and they somehow didn't know who Bruckner was.

I didn't even know that was possible. They're graduating this year btw.

>>72318951
Most of them are filthy normies who barrel through the repertoire (either playing or studying) and then go right back to their shitty pop and rap, that's the music they want to make and play and that's why they're there.

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>>72318630
>Name secular choral music please?
*tips fedora*

>>72319053
Do you have any suggestion then?
*still waiting for secular choral music collection*

>>72318369
Still waiting on >>72318378

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>>72319242
Most of Brahms' choral works are secular and very beautiful, some of his best underrated works, even his requiem is a lot less religious than most. Schubert has a lot of secular choral but it generally isn't as interesting.

Tippet - A Child of Our Time
Holst - Choral Symphony, Fantasy, Cloud Messenger
Kurtag, Krenek, Schoenberg, Poulenc all have some good choral stuff.

>>72319242
Janacek's Glagolitic Mass

Which translation of Wagner's Ring is the best? The one pubicly available online seems overly literal and kind of reads poorly.

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>>72320020
>Holst
holst is butt lol

>>72320061
Stuart Spencer or Andrew Porter.

>>72320081
I see. Where can I get these?

>>72320124
They're on Amazon, but I'm guessing you're asking where you can download them.

I dunno if Spencer's work has been uploaded yet, I certainly haven't seen it. As for Porter's, you can look for Goodall's Ring and get the scans for that.

Porter's work is a very liberal translation (but faithful) meant to be sung, and Goodall used it in his version.

>>72320124
You can get the booklets of the Goodall ring, which uses the Porter translation, on the chandos site.

https://www.chandos.net/chanimages/Booklets/CH3038.pdf

>>72320139
>>72320156
Thanks

>>72318378
places where actual composers and performers discuss music.
You guys don't belong there so I'm not linking anything

>>72318861
https://soundcloud.com/psllbof

Hindemith

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeRak0TZxG0

>>72318147
It's the same everywhere, no one really talks about literature or philosophy on lit either.

>>72318147
Me too. I'm like the only one on the site who enjoys Viennese operetta and Weimar songspiel.

>>72321379
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBFxF36MxKU

bump

Petzold

are there any composers that worked with country or bluegrass?

>>72323246
Copland
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fbVpss8ftE

I've been getting into Scriabin recently, probably some of the best music I've ever heard but I can't understand why I like it so much (I'm a brainlet when it comes to music theory), anyone wanna give me a quick rundown?

>>72323478
Transcendental pleasure highs senpai

Scriabin is my nigga senpai

>>72323603
honest to God I cried when I listened to Prometheus, don't know how he does it

>>72323668
Opium, Cocaine, Theosophy and underage pussy

Is there a good studio Ring recording without fucking Windgassen as Siegfried?

Why haven't these threads reached bump limit this last week? And what's the best new piece you listened to this week?

>>72253398
Nigger, what? How in the world do you not know Paul van Kempen.

>>72324355
Franck's Seven Last Words from the Cross

moar liek dis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj9-2RgM6p4

>>72324838
Anything by Polyphony & Stephen Layton or Accentus & Laurence Equilbey

>>72324190
Janowski's first cycle is probably the most 'consistent' Ring recorded, period. It's actually kind of a miracle. René Kollo plays Siegfried on that, and unlike Windgassen, who was merely a surrogate heldentenor, Kollo is a real one. And quite a youthful one, at that. Some people deem him too light for the role, but it's actually refreshing to hear a youth in a title which is supposed to be young. He's probably my favorite post-golden era Heldentenor overall, honestly. Might not be as good as some of the greats, but I would take a million of him over some of the awful singers they had at Bayreuth last year.

There's also Karajan's recording, I suppose. But I never liked his Siegfrieds too much. Mostly because even though their voices are fine, the acting falls flat.

>>72324838
Try Mealor

>>72324948
>surrogate heldentenor
what do you mean by this

>>72324893
>>72324951
thnaks for teh suggstiosn

>>72324963
I think he's saying that Windgasse was winging it.

>>72324963
Windgassen barely fulfilled the role of heldentenor, in my opinion.

The problem with Windgassen's voice was that, past the early 50s, he was very much lacking in his ability to sing high. Listen to his recording from the 60s onwards, and what you have is an incredibly leathery voice, with enough heroism, but lacking in the tenor qualities which are necessary for the role. However, at that time Windgassen was one of the best options available, and thanks to his success at Bayreuth he became more-or-less the main "pick" for that kind of role until the late 60s/early 70s.

This is a good article regarding heldentenors:

http://neilhowlett.com/articles/what-is-a-heldentenor/

>>72324948
Thanks for the recomendation, will check it out.
Windgassen just sounded too 'weak' for me. My favorite Siegfried is Suthaus.

>>72325305
Yes, Suthaus is very good. He always reminded me a bit of Lorenz in some ways, not as much ham, but the same kind of careful attention to rhythmic speech patterns as well as diction. Both were as clear as a bell.

>>72320188
>You guys don't belong there so I'm not linking anything
Cop out.

>>72321562
>It's the same everywhere, no one really talks about literature or philosophy on lit either.

Surely there must be a place out there...

Petzold

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Post Sibelius

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD5oTMHQ8Lo&list=PLBAcVSRm_BHPYwe5ShgOqLLAMKCHySLrT&index=13

>>72320061
None, Wagner is shit. Listen to Mahler instead, Mahler is everything Wagner wishes he could be.

>>72329037
Wrong

>>72329037
I don't think Mahler would appreciate you saying such things about his favorite composer.

"I can hardly describe my present state to you. When I came out of the Festspielhaus, completely spellbound, I understood that the greatest and most painful revelation had just been made to me, and that I would carry it unspoiled for the rest of my life."

- Mahler after seeing the Parsifal premiere

>>72329163
Right.

>>72329166
Beethoven also thought Cherubini was the best composer of his age, but Cherubini's shit.

>>72327174
>>72328001
Always really hated Karajan's Sibelius, just seems so artificial. Never knew he worked with Gould.

>>72329037
Mahler is grandiloquent is way that he has no justification to be, unlike Wagner who at least had some backing for his style.

>>72329227
Yes, but Cherubini had little influence in the music of Beethoven.

Without Wagner, you simply do not have Mahler. He admitted as much himself.

>>72329246
in a way*

>>72329246
>>72329259
t. Adolf Schnekenberger

>>72329493
Nah, I love both Mahler and Wagner. They're my favorite romantics desu

>>72329493
?

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Now that Youtube has full albums uploaded at Opus 160kb/s, it's super easy to find almost anything.

Here's what I do now:

>Follow a reviewer or seek out reviews on Amazon or somewhere for an album you're interested in

>Search Youtube for the artist, filter by Channel, select the one that says X - Topic

>Click Albums

>Bam, you've got CDs and full fucking boxsets arranged in playlists automatically

I don't even know why people bother with Spotify or radio anymore. It's especially great if you're browsing different performances.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQdudICa-88&list=PLZj4RadToGJgPak30wUlXO7ESHWRljl7X

>tfw at an orchestra concert for brahms piano concerto 2
Kill me, I won't survive the pretension

Petzold, you faggots.

Hey Guys!

I'm somewhat new to classical and I'm looking for an overlap in Brian Eno's melodic intensity and immediacy to a classical piece/style/composer. I'm thinking of a simpler, slower version of Piano Concerto 21 by Mozart (preferably with piano, but it doesn't have to be).

The songs by Eno I'm referring to are:
The Big Ship -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCCJc_V8_MQ
By This River -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrZYP8SzlN8
Spider and I -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Yc5j60LSNo

Thanks!

Plotzelold

Pretzold

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Pretty cool. The legends about this thing border on the absurd, but it certainly has a very interesting sound.

>>72334972
>that story
>Rosen
>mozzart's Turkish March
Looks memetastic. Is it better than mere novelty though?

>>72332826
>>72333004

what did they mean by this

>>72335405
It's actually a really cool recording and since it's Rosen of couse it's well played.

If I had to describe the sound... imagine a fortepiano mixed with a harp.

I'll upload it if anyone wants

>>72335469
Do it,

>>72335469
Do you really need to ask?

>>72334972
http://www.talkclassical.com/37896-siena-pianoforte.html
Christ the story of this thing is even more ridiculous than that cover would lead you to believe.

>>72334972
Oy Vey! I wonder who stole it and brought it to Tel Aviv?

>>72335498
>>72335527
https://mega.nz/#!vY1xSCQS!0FjXFU2s6aX2vCDSSX7aSy9TW4lZMhM-1PMFJwt0CX8

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>>72335584
>the spruce soundboard was rotting away from both age and all the years of exposure and abuse it took following the war. In spite of meticulously filling in cracks and splits, the ancient wood (regardless of where it really came from) was falling apart and it would only be a matter of time.

>>72335963
Much appreciated..

How likely is it to find a womeme who actually likes both classic era classical and modern/contemporary classical
I haven't found one yet

>>72335963
>https://mega.nz/#!vY1xSCQS!0FjXFU2s6aX2vCDSSX7aSy9TW4lZMhM-1PMFJwt0CX8
Thanks so much!

>>72336022
How modern are we talking here

Metal is the classical of the modern era.

>>72336069
True. It's still pop shit though.

>>72333111
Cringe

>>72335963
Thanks senpai

>>72336022
Probably not that hard considering those are the two most popular eras for classical art music.

>>72336069
couldn't be more wrong

>>72336069
modern classical is the classical of the modern era.

It has the ability to far more complex, dynamic, emotional, technical, subtle and interesting than metal could ever hope to be

>>72336022
Go to university / college, study music and you will meet plenty of them. That or hang around orchestras and get to know the players.

>>72337028
I'm studying music at college and all the girl are either Stacies or SJWs

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Apologize.

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>>72334972

There's a couple albums of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doezrM_mBHo&list=PLiwSiSI0UFxBfP7PIUcUEeF6DrW_Z4Stz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtcJ4vAGE8U&list=PL6gctp-FjdhGYdFpO-x3gO83fjszBtq4P

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=II5vBt1Drm0&list=PLalDwtnCsTtvPPsbPip3AypDPSuTFbXD6

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlqdxbVJ-F0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTFR22dYths

Unfortunately I can't find the Chaconne...would love to hear it.

>>72337329
>not using a condom

>>72337359
The Schudog only goes in raw

>>72337164
>Stacies
by the urban dictionary definition, that doesn't sound so bad

>SJW
doesn't really have much to with what music they like. They may still fit the requirements of liking classical era and contemporary classical.

>>72318154
Yep I'm pretending to listen to a 3hour long wagner piece

>>72337454
>urban dictionary
No, by the /r9k/ description: vapid bitches

>doesn't really have much to with what music they like
Still a shitty person.

>>72337515
>a shitty person
This has nothing to do with your original question though

>/r9k/
>>>/r9k/

>>72337500
I believe it, why on Earth would anyone voluntarily listen to Wagner?

>>72337164
sounds like you go to a shitty school with a worthless music program

>>72337544
The program is good, the students are mostly shit.

>>72337528
Agreed. Wagner is so much more than for "listening." You need to ascend to a higher plane of existence and "experience" it.

>>72337649
Autism isn't a higher plane of experience, bub.

>>72337705
How random.

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Who /baller4mahler/ here?

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>>72337732
reporting in

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>>72337732
>>72337749
i fucked your wife lol

>>72337749
Symphony no.9 is fantastic, where should I go from there?

>>72337028
Over 4 years I've found none
>>72337779
No 7 is most pAtrician

>>72337779
2 and 3

>>72337775
used goods :)

>2017
>Not playing Cabanilles' Batalla on Easter to celebrate Christ's victory over death
>Not playing any offertory Grand Jeu pieces
>Not enjoying blasting everyone down the aisle with trumpets

Can us organists collectively rediscover how fun it is to annihilate the congregation with loud baroque music in churches with good acoustics?

examples: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6bvrjAF00o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Bix-_RlXqs

>>72337831
What are some dark organ works, anon? I want maximum angst/and/or spookiness.

>>72337890
You want Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJCuew6mIFE

>>72329227
Cherubini is good. And Beethoven only liked is operas (which he copied in Fidelio).
You have no idea what you're talking about m8.

>>72338118
>Cherubini is good
t. Giovanni Giustiato

Funniest classical piece?

>>72337890
The Widor Bach transcriptions are fun; pick your version

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZQ--KHn21A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZQ--KHn21A

>>72323325
thx

>>72338549
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHamoW_O5hY

Turn it up loud

>>72337779
4th and 6th are the correct choices

>>72338549
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCkfQFB_AJE

>>72337779
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOvXhyldUko

>>72338943
tfw no gf

>>72338549
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJpqN2oTgR8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPFHEim8ZcA

>>72337890
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fta7AwnSv8o

>>72331495
>This video is not available.
Am I doing anything wrong?

>>72340310
living in a third world country

Jesus even these threads are just shitposting and dick measuring

>>72341053
i bet you listen to jazz

>>72341068
I listen to everything anon ^_^

Petzzold

>>72337779
no. 2

>>72337775
Who didn't fuck Alma?

>>72337890
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6iupxT0Pkg

>>72343203
>dark
>angst
>spooky
>posts a jig

>>72337890
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdiHaWHJNc8

>>72343496
i'll jig in yer ass m8

>>72341088
everything == nothing
if you have no passion, gtfo

>>72343496
wtf is a jig?

Do you all have favourite recordings/pieces of Schoenberg that you'd recommend? I'm a big fan of his second quartet (the others too to a lesser extent), as well as his 3 piano pieces (op 11) and obviously pierrot and transfigured night.

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>>72344894

>>72344942
thanks!

Listened to tchaikovsky's d major violin concerto again for the first time in ages... used to listen to it in high school all the time

So beautiful, my goodness. The pinnacle of Romanticism.

What are some really beautiful pieces, preferably short but don't have problem if they are lengthy.

>>72318861
https://soundcloud.com/daniel-nieberg

>>72345164
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YI7s-c7k3So

>>72345164
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b13mCShoufM

>>72345164
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uH9hlIWqdso

>>72318171
I don't know, lately I've began to think that jazz is actually more complicated than classical. I can't into it completely, but it started getting fascinating.

Either way, you're a retard or a boring troll.

>>72345164
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khcUhxwUc18

>>72347134
holy shit I turned the volume up and then https://youtu.be/khcUhxwUc18?t=1m7s happened. I almost spit my drink out

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>>72343603
>ends on picardy third

>>72348197
What's wrong with that?

>>72348385
It's feels trite and banal.

>>72348417
t. plebian
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5ai80pyCYg

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>>72344894

>>72329259
>what is the ending of his fifth

>>72346527
>I don't know, lately I've began to think that jazz is actually more complicated than classical.

BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>*breathes in*
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>*inhales*
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>*leans back*
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

jeez oh man...

Should one bother with composing if he doesn't have an absolute pitch and can't hear everything in his head?

>>72349842
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0zb5S9DGYQ

>>72349842
Are you a fucking child? Who writes like that? baka... These threads are worse than Korean pop generals.

>>72349945
yeah sure
>absolute pitch
definitely not essential
>can't hear everything in your head
only gets particularly important if you're writing for large ensembles. In the meantime while you hone that, write for solo instruments/small chamber ensembles and if you're still composing by the time you turn your attention to the big stuff

>>72349990
>going to the kpop general

>>72349972
god emperor

Schütz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdNUmL7qjpo

is there a classical composition that makes use of hand clapping

>>72351581
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzkOFJMI5i8

>>72351581
Rameau

t. Jordi Savall

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>>72351581

https://youtu.be/-qNIy4pEm1U
I wondered if you tolerate Kapustin here.

>>72351798
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_dzivO5h5o

yes

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Scriabin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPQUXz8S7G8

>>72351655
literally ooga booga music

>>72351961
Not quite, that would be this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doJk4yPwJDk

>>72351961
Not quite, that would be this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAzzv6Ks9nc

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>>72352013

>>72351913
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jTi3DG7NHM

>>72351729
>not clapping on beats 2 and 4

>>72344269
U jusa punk ass bish

Petzold

I find Scheherazade repetitive and grating.

Pretzzold

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*blocks your path*

>>72351581
A Real Slow Drag from Treemonisha.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukgWU6JCZkg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80Zbg2Q6gdc

>>72318200
My local philharmonic's first chair Trumpet is a web designer where the rest are music majors

What's the consensus on Wagner?

I used to think he was boring but now I feel overwhelmed with passion when I listen to him

>>72357768
>/mu/
>consensus on anything
I like him
Some people hate him
Some people don't care

>>72357768
Love him but he's irritatingly difficult to perform well.

Also his operas seem to attract the most degenerate of degenerate producers.

>>72357768
Emotionless bombast.

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>>72317611

>>72357768
I like Lohengrin.

Heifetz was such a memer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aumx4cfygFo

>>72359388
ROTFL! Thanks so much for sharing this video. Although you are mistaken. He was not "nervous". He performed making well-understood errors, grandiose motions and used sloppy technical maneuvers that any serious student of violin would immediately recognize. My absolute favorite moment is when he pauses to make a swipe at his nose! And the students were laughing because they fully understood the comedic Heifetz. The underlying message, especially in a masterclass situation, is that regardless of how badly the students might believe they were playing, NONE of them were horrible. Heifetz provided a great example of horrible - and in doing so helped the students relax. The gentleman was remarkable - and as evidenced here - kind.

>>72359563
Yeah, I know it was all intentionally bad. I'm guessing the uploader just put it up with that title for clickbait, and an additional laugh once the punchline becomes obvious.

>>72317611
>edition

>tfw my choir got invited to sing at Carnegie Hall next year
>tfw can't go because I'm a senior

feelsbadman

>>72335963
It's very beautiful. What a unique instrument.

The story surrounding it sounds like total hogwash, though. Whatever its origins, it produces a very smashing sound, it's kind of like someone took the best parts of a harpsichord and a fortepiano and smashed them together.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjP0_cP8TA8

Is he, dare I say it, the next Rachmaninoff?

>>72359724
>I wrote two piano concertos in 2011 and 2013 to fulfill a promise I made to myself as a young piano student that I would write a piano concerto and then premiere it much in the same way Rachmaninoff did with his 2nd, my intention being to launch a career as a composer, pianist, & conductor. Well, fate had other plans---a severe finger injury grounded me as a pianist at 19 and I never wrote that concerto. The dream eventually faded, though it apparently had been lying dormant somewhere underneath my psyche in the intervening decades. In the meantime, to keep my music skills alive and because I enjoyed it immensely I read orchestral scores as leisure reading--analyzing how great composers achieved the sounds they were after; the different combinations of instruments they used. Then one day a few years ago an innocuous tune just popped into my mind. The old dream bubbling beneath the surface of my consciousness suddenly surfaced and I finally committed myself to writing that piano concerto, which became the No.1 in F# Minor Opus 1. Although the reception was enthusiastic I later came to realize that the Concerto No.1 wasn't the concerto I had always dreamed of writing. The one you are listening to is that concerto.

>>72359781
>Listeners' comments:
>"...the [main] theme sounds absolutely epic. I think this almost reaches the level of Rachmaninoff's Piano >Concert No. 2 "
>“...this equals if not beats the Saint-Saëns G-Minor Piano Concerto."
>"...probably one of the best "romantic" piano concertos of the XXIst century..."
>" I was blown away by your piano concerto. The composition is brilliant! "
>" It deserves to be played by a top orchestra & soloist! "
>" This is so amazing I only realized my jaw had dropped five minutes after the concerto started. "
>" This is really great! ....the sweeping romantic melodies are just breathtaking...a really great listen. "
>" I love the orchestration and the virtuosic piano passages. +5 "
>" Beautiful harmonies...The overall energy of the [last] movement is fantastic!"
>" I was so enthralled by the opening movement that I just listened to the whole piece at once. "
>" A masterpiece. "
>" OMG!!! did you compose this??! It completely amazed me from the first seconds. It's like a Rachmaninoff >concerto, but it's still your style, your creation. I loved it. Thank you"
>" I could listen to it 100 times."
>"...this sounds simply brilliant. "
>"...I'm just amazed! Beautiful sir! well done! "
>"...let me thank you for this piece. "
>" I have to say I love your piano concerto!"
>" Truly amazing composition "
>" A masterpiece! - beautiful work!"
>" It's a great concerto. BRAVOOOOOOOOOOO!!! "
>" Beautiful!! Bravissimo!! "
>" Your concerto is awesome!! "
>" This is really awesome! "
>" Wow!! Just Wow!! Two thumbs up!! "
>"...let me thank you for this piece. "
>" Truly amazing! "
>" Magnificent! "
>" Brilliant! "
>" Amazing! A masterpiece. "

Nigger

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>"music" "composed" by goyim

Bump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogBvnG6Yw2c

What are the top 5 composers of all time, and why?

>>72362443
Personal list:
1. Beethoven: Ultimate master of human emotion. Timeless works, endless beauty, every work feels like he wrote it for me personally.

2. Schubert: Gorgeous melodist, had a spiritual sense far beyond his years. The effortless grace of Mozart combined with the dramatic fury of Beethoven, died much too young.

3. Dvorak: Like Schubert, absolutely beautiful melodies. Skillfully combined the folk music of his native Bohemia with the classical tradition.

4. Mozart: Every note descended from the heavens on a cloud, or at least it seems that way. A great, playful sense of wit and fun. The very definition of poise and elegance, even at his darkest - like an iron fist with a velvet glove.

5. Bach: Obligatory on anyone's list. Without Bach there would be no one that came after. Undisputed master of counterpoint. His humility and spirituality is one of the strongest arguments you could make that God exists.

>>72362443
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGG-5gdj48M
post more horn music

>>72362443
I think you mean "who" rather than "what": "who are the top 5 composers of all time, and why?"

The question is not black and white, and you could argue there are different aspects of being a composer that could be considered "good"; Technical skill, influence, popularity. Lets say a "good" composer would have all of the above aspects. As for top 5 - this probably depends on the individual evaluating it. My top 5 would be:

Palestrina - Because he's good
Bach - Because he's good
Beethoven - Because he's good
Wagner - Because he's good
Schoenberg - Because he's good

Other people would have different top 5's, probably add Mozart in or neglect renaissance or 20th century, or both.

>>72362443
Bach like >>72362800 said
im not into classical and romantic era so wont talk about them but I trust this poster >>72362800 again.

I'd say that debussy has to be on the list. The man invented his own musical system with
new scales and chord sonorities, and weird orchestration and he managed to master that system within his own lifetime. And then he basically invented modern music

>>72362443
1. Bach
2. Buxtehude
3. Mozart
4. Scarlatti
5. Fauré

Fight me faggots

>>72362800
>Without Bach there would be no one that came after
(not true by the way)
People would get along fine with just Schutz, Corelli, Purcell, Scarlatti, Rameau, Vivaldi, Telemann, Froberger, Lully, Couperin, Buxtehude, Gabrieli, Charpentier, Frescobaldi, Zelenka, Biber and the rest of the baroque period composers. Not to mention Monteverdi and all the renaissance masters.

Some people would dispute he is the master of counterpoint. Musicologists sometimes speak about his "awkward" voice leading. Laurence Dreyfus for example in his book "Bach and the Patterns of Invention".
His counterpoint is excellent, and certainly for his cantatas, very consistent, but he is not the undisputed master of counterpoint - its likely no such composer exists, and it if did, it may well be a renaissance period composer.

>>72362903
Further proof Bach is underrated.

How do I go about learning music theory? I've been playing guitar for about 7-8 years now and I have virtually no knowledge of theory apart from some basic scales which has actually become non-existent since I haven't played much in the past 2 years.

>>72359724
Glad to see this meme is still going

>>72362943
It's useless, just play

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>>72318147
Heres what im listening atm

>>72351961
>Hurrrr everything has to be as complicated as possible

You guys are so stuck up in your ass it's pathetic.

And then that guy comes in this thread and says there is not enough time to waste it on "popular music". Gave me autism.

Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeRe4AeXWQ8

>>72359724
I thought it was pretty good

>>72362811
>The question is not black and white, and you could argue there are different aspects of being a composer that could be considered "good"
yes yes, everyone knows this and no-one cares

garbage post and equally shitty list

>>72365677
autism

if you haven't been playing the piano seriously for 10+ years you're not a real musician

If you don't have perfect pitch you should leave this place immediately.

>>72366032
I can sing a D from memory does that count

>>72317611
>tfw they're premiering a piece of mine today

kinda nervous but excited lads

>>72366218
No.

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Post Schumann

>>72366288
>>72366032
Everyone has "perfect pitch", but only the ones taught to label and name the notes at the young age are able to do so when older. Even someone who claim they don't have "perfect pitch" can still recognise that D-flat major sounds bright and vibrant, or that F minor sounds warm and melancholic.

It's really not so different from recognising colours;
>light of certain frequency goes into your eye, you name it
>sound of certain frequency goes into your ear, you name it
the only difference is naming colours is something everyone starts doing as a child, because paying close attention to everything you see is very natural; paying close attention to the music you hear is not.

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>>72366424

>>72357768
1488 bruv

>>72318951
Yeah, it's bizarre
>hear Bach's Johannespassion live
>it's unbelievable
>talk to a friend, a trumpet player about it
>"You should've been there, it was great" etc
>"Don't you mean Matthäuspassion? I've never heard of Johannespassion."

>>72366264
Where? What sort of piece?

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https://youtu.be/P2wNAWBPFiI

This is my new favorite, heard it on the radio the other day and I had to look it up.

>tfw you get to the finale and remember that pig

How would you guys solve the ever-increasing issue of orchestra halls struggling to fill seats?

>>72367482
This probably wouldn't help but schools should do a unit where students have to listen to classical music every day, then at the end of the unit they have to pick the piece that is their favorite and tell the class why they like it. Young people don't like classical because they never get past the same 5 pieces they've heard 1000 times in pop culture. They just haven't been exposed to anything that they like.

>>72367482
I don't see that problem at all desu, as far as I see the halls are always nicely filled. But I live in a small country, we have few halls and ensembles and the tickets are cheap, so the supply/demand ratio is pretty healthy.

>>72318147
How about you start.

>>72367696
I'm not sure how big a problem it is except in America, and no not just because dumbass Americans. Less prestigious orchestras like Minnesota or Utah struggle to bring in the talent to make them worth listening to and with air travel so cheap why go to your local symphony when you could be going to New York or elsewhere.

>>72367696
It's a pretty big issue in America, and when they do fill seats, it's usually with elderly.

Last few concerts I've been to have been with a bunch of old folks.

>>72367825
>Less prestigious orchestras
>like Minnesota
Vanska is one of the best living conductors what

>>72367864
>Last few concerts I've been to have been with a bunch of old folks.
Well, that is normal in my country too. But the seats are filled, that seems like a good situation in the end.

>>72367825
Travelling by plane to hear an orchestra sounds weird to me. The local ones should be component enough, no?

William Grant Still is underrated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKvKQEXnWHQ

Graupner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ui598mTAAs

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>On the night of 20-21 August 1968 tanks from the Warsaw Pact rolled into Czechoslovakia, bringing the ‘Prague Spring’ to an end. In that raw, angry atmosphere it’s no surprise that Svetlanov and his Soviet orchestra were given a rough reception at the BBC Proms just hours later. Indeed, the opening bars of the symphony emerge from what sounds like a near riot in the hall, the music growing in strength as the clamour subsides.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec18V8pd-sg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0TLoEyB9-8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Fs3OJvKl-0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwm603snjas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJjHAsxgvNw

insanely stupid question, but how do you know which recordings/compositions to listen to first?

>>72365883
Fuck off, child.

>>72369157

Just find a reviewer who agrees with your tastes, there's tons on amazon. There's also the mainstream reviewers, but those are very hit and miss.

>>72345164
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB1atm__LTY

What's a good video production of Das Rheingold or the rest of that cycle that I can watch with english subtitles so that I can get a feeling for the plot and not get lost when I try to listen to an audio recording in a language I don't quite understand?

>>72370088
I think the Boulez one.

>>72366446
I was never taught to do this. But when i started learning music theory at 15 years old i discovered i could name any note without a reference tone.

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Mendelssohn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjWPFoumbbw&list=PLCHfN2i6JqZVL9vqePmtdxs7CTUV6uz_p

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https://youtu.be/rIANx0bVd7s?t=570

What is the best recording of Verdi's Requiem?

>>72370910
GOAT

PETZOLD

>>72368331
there's a few more performances from around that time, some Scriabin, and a Dvorak Cello Concerto which is pretty intense

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>>72318171

>>72371520
Giulini.

>>72318171
This is completely true btw

>>72366946
It was at a small cultural center, and it was a piece for Bass Clarinet and Tape (or B. Clari Quartet). It was successful and I am quite happy.

Also should I follow the Ring cycle the whole way through at first or should I get to know the first one before moving onto the next?

>>72377188
It's meant to be heard between days. But it doesn't really matter.

Do whatever you want.

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>>72356817
*unleashes diminished cadenza*
heh, nothing personel kid

>>72369465
>Just find a reviewer who agrees with your tastes, there's tons on amazon
like whom?

>>72377518
Not him, but I'll list a few.

Discophage:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/profile/amzn1.account.AGAFM74L2RIJ5O36NNYH4Z5ISQNQ?ie=UTF8&ref_=cm_cr_rdp_pdp_enth

>Wordy, sometimes goes into analytical dissection of the musical score, wide tastes, usually pretty good taste.

Jeffrey Lipscomb:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/profile/amzn1.account.AFDUVWMRQ4HFRAN2X7M4OLFEAUUQ?ie=UTF8&ref_=cm_cr_rdp_pdp_enth

>Fairly concise and accessible reviews, fairly good taste, albeit with a bias towards historical recordings.

Bernard Michael O'Hanlon:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/profile/amzn1.account.AFYRU7WVJCGQL3DK6SQYPAVYCBQA?ie=UTF8&ref_=cm_cr_rdp_pdp_enth

>Borders from wordy to concise. Very troll-y. You likely won't understand some of the humor unless you're well informed on performers, though. Sometimes has very questionable taste, but his reviews are entertaining to read, even if they aren't profoundly accurate in their descriptors at times.

>>72377772
Oh, and there's also Ralph Moore, I guess. He's ok, but he's also a dirty Pristine shill. Still one of the bigger reviewers of classical on Amazon, though.

Barsanti
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1Wt7RarZVg

petzold, i guess

>>72377772
>>72377855
Thank you very much

>>72380626
You're welcome

Definitely a classical newfag (only been listening to classical and lurking in these threads for a month and a half now). Quick questions:
>Is Holst's "Planets" actually amazing, or am I just a normie?
>Is there more redpilled classical I should be listening to?
>What reading/learning should I undertake in order to appreciate classical to a fuller extent?
>More stuff similar to Schoenberg? Shostakovitch?

>>72380803
i. normie
ii. yes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s0Mp7LFI-k
iii. charles rosen's books
iv. most of the idiots he influenced; prokofiev is better

brothers we are the superiors

Petzold

>>72326072
I always want to talk about philosophy and classical music. Too many normies, we need our own board.