/classical/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQlsmfirpbA
reposting this masterpiece on par with Beeth*ven, B*ach, M*zart, and P*tz*ld

>>72232127
stop

I don't know why you thought this acceptable to post before, much less now.

Jazz/rap fag here. Could someone hook me up with a mega of some 20th century avant garde "classical"? I'm taking about the Cages, the Schoenbergs, the stockhausens, the Feldmans, the Stravinskys (rite of spring + firebird plz). Also maybe throw in beethoven's 9th. I don't own a recording of that. I hope I'm not asking too much. I'd appreciate it guys, but i can live without it

>>72234596
>General Folder #3. Mostly 20th century/modern with other assorted bits and pieces

>>72234960
Buddy
>>72234596

>>72232127
No

>>72234596
for fuck's sake just get spotify

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DAILY REMINDER: Ravel was a genius.

alkan a shit

>>72238505
>smoker
can't have been that smart

>TalkClassical is literally R.eddit

Any other decent forums about classical?

Petzold

>>72239344
There's no decent places to discuss music anywhere online

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How the fuck to I stretch my fingers that far and not hit other keys?

>>72240394
do you have small hands?

>>72240623
>handlets

Reminder that Vivaldi is overrated

>>72240394
Is that Beethoven's Moonlight sonata? That stretch is not that hard, and I'm a guitarist. JUST DO IT, ANON, I KNOW YOU CAN MAKE IT!

>>72240394
can you seriously not reach a 9th? how old are you?

>>72240394
Tiny hand manlet nu male cuck

>>72240394
Drop piano and start tuba, tuba is fun

Anyone have an opinion on Gilbert Kaplan?

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>>72241390

Petzold

Anyone followed this Classic FM Hall of Fame over the weekend?

Looks like we're going to get more butthurt over 'Russian hackers' again. Subtle one this time by surely more than coincidence every single work by a Russian composer has been up significantly on last year. Butthurt levels probably going off the scale if 1812 Overture is no.1.

>>72243027
>listening to the radio

>>72243106

I know, but it's kinda a yearly thing for me now even if I stopped bothering with radio years back.

It was kinda cringe when they brigaded it with vidya soundtracks, but this is top keks, looks as blatant as it gets.

Any decent women composers?

>>72243220

I'll get back to you when my sides have stopped orbiting.

>>72243027
>listening to (((mass media))) run playlists interspersed with 20 commercials

Also Russian hacking is a meme you shitlib.

>>72243318
back to r/The_Donald with you

>>72243027
>Classic FM Hall of Fame
Does anyone actually put any stock in that?
>Russian Hackers
At least they're promoting classical music in place of le vidya game soundtracks that would otherwise get in thanks to organised internet voting blocs

What the fuck actually goes on inside the mind of a modern/post-modern composer?

>>72243531

Not since it got raided over muh vidya sountracks and started considering film scores in the top 100 of any sort of classical list.

I'm surprised 4chan in general hasn't had a go at it before. HoF like an open goal for anyone that seriously tries brigading it.

>>72243493
Fuck off you traitorous Soros shill

>>72243617
>>72243493

>>72243493
/r/the_donald is cancer, but honestly this is a conservative general.

>>72243608
because Classic FM is reddit:the classical music station.
/classical/ listens to Radio 3

>>72243220
This desu>>72243284

But Seeger and Boulanger are excellent

>>72243836
This. Radio 3 has been the premier broadcaster of classical music and arts and culture programming for 50 years. Classic FM is just a competitor that originated in the mid-90s to provide popular, crossover, easy listening classical music mixed with lighthearted DJ talk for the masses to put on as background noise. And it worked. They've managed to score a 3.5% audience share compared to Radio 3's 1.4% with this dumbed down format that now features Christmas carols all throughout December and an appalling amount of soundtracks to modern mainstream films and video games in regular rotation.

>>72243540
>Now if fuck this consonance

>>72243220
kaija saariaho is a great contemporary one

>>72243836

Wasn't trying to defend them, just a yearly thing for me. I know what they do to their music normally with radio edits and 'classical' mystery meat-tier pieces.

Although..

>listening to radio, even if radio 3
>not going to live performances instead

>>72243836

I find Radio 3's taste kinda dry.

Great analogue recordings from the 40s - 70s are the place to be desu senpai.

>>72244350

There's too much non-classical on there these days. Don't mind some jazz, but fuck all this world music and folk shit.

Radio is literally just another mind control device.
The BBC is an unforgivable outlet of government propoganda and globalist shilling.
Radio 3 is a prententious snoozefest of the usual suspects and horrible 21st century compositions featured in some sort of misguided display of the station's "relevance" in the modern art world.
This terrible format is made even worse by the forced inclusion of jazz and world 'music' because "muh progressive diversity" and horrible radio dramas because "muh art and culture".
Literally the only people who listen to this schlock are fedora wearing tryhards and geriatrics who still don't know what the internet is.

>>72244249
>live performances
>not listening to old meme recordings from the comfort of your own home and lamenting about how they don't make them like they used to instead of paying to sit in a big hall where the audience provides a Cage-esque reinterpretation of pieces by coughing up half a lung every 3 minutes

>>72244432
Holy christ get a grip

How long does it take to recognize immediatly notes at a first glance? So far I've only done solfage for 3 days, 1 hours everyday, and I can name every notes, no matter where, in both violin and bass cleff in about 1 to 2 seconds.
How long does it usually take to become a natural at recognizing notes?

>>72244434

>paying to sit in a big hall where hte auidence provides a Cage-esque reinterpretation of pieces by coughing up half a lung every 3 minutes.

Spotted the only goes to popular concerts fag

Opera is where it's at then with minus the geriatrics coughing their guts up in pauses and minus the general poorfags priced out of any decent production going.

Any first-rate, non-modernised production at a world class opera house or festival is literally patrician-tier.

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>>72244396

Yeah, and I can't stand Reich or Glass or this new age shit either.

Now that Youtube has full albums uploaded at Opus 160kb/s, it's super easy to find almost anything.

Here's what I do now:

>Follow a reviewer or seek out reviews on Amazon or somewhere for an album you're interested in

>Search Youtube for the artist, filter by Channel, select the one that says X - Topic

>Click Albums

>Bam, you've got CDs and full fucking boxsets arranged in playlists automatically

I don't even know why people bother with Spotify or radio anymore. It's especially great if you're browsing different performances.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQdudICa-88&list=PLZj4RadToGJgPak30wUlXO7ESHWRljl7X

>>72244432

you are entirely correct but the vehicle they use isn't radio 3 lol

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>>72244588
>Any first-rate, non-modernised production at a world class opera house or festival is literally patrician-tier.

I wish I could call you a retard (I don't like your tone in general) but this is literally true. A chair in a world class opera house is truly the throne of the enlightened.

>>72244631
Is there any news source free of that though?

>>72244613

Same reason I gave up on going to the Proms desu. I know it's good for a cheap concert by some decent international orchestras but the amount of shit postmodernist pieces they try and ram into programmes now are just stupid. They never sound that good and usually get a shit response even from the more liberal audiences.

But that said, the absolute car crash of that commie Ring they did at Bayreuth last year was hilarious for the audience reaction. Gives you hope that at least some places still exist where the audience are redpilled as fuck about any attempt to shove liberal BS into traditional art. I don't remember hearing a single clap over the heckling for the producer's curtain call.

>>72244613
This.

Why do we even have mega links in the OP? Who downloads music anymore?

>>72244641

It's a shame some just outside that bracket are going downhill though. ENO has been a letdown for years despite the top-tier venue.

Still happy I've never seen a shit Covent Garden production though, even their modern, out-of-context Tannhäuser from a few years ago was actually pretty good.

Liberalism is a cancer on the world. Sadly not even classical music is free from it.

>>72244775

absolutely not

i watch euronews in the morning, they sometimes have a brussels circle jerk but they're generally quite good

>>72244810

I sorta experienced the same thing here in LA. We have an annual performance of Beethoven's 9th at the Hollywood Bowl, John Williams (the movie fag) was conducting. The first half was some post modern 12 tone percussive bullshit that his wife wrote and went on for fucking ever, you could see the entire audience of like 10000s just totally bored and inattentive. The 2nd half was the 9th and pretty much everyone with glued, even though it was a middling performance at best.

Classical music is NOT dying, it's the fucking theoretical bullshit they're trying to stuff down our throats that's killing us.

>>72244846

I still download FLACs if I find a really good album I want to archive, I think that's still higher quality, but 160kb/s Opus is already very, very good compared to the other streaming shit.

>>72244901

This. It's surprisingly underrated for a channel that should by any other means be a Europhile mouthpiece.

>>72244901
Surely there are sources that are less sucked than the new york times, npr, pbs, cable news

>>72244874
>implying it's worth watching any modern Wagner production and not just taking refuge in golden oldie meme recordings instead

>>72244810
>last year
That wasn't a new production anon. The Parsifal was the new one which was literally Refugees Welcome: The Production

>>72245038

I used to say read them all and form your own opinion.

Now I say read none of them and just be your own anchor. It's all fucking bullshit, and I say this as a conservative, I don't read Breitbart or Drudge and I never watch cable news unless there's a legit happening. Even so, I've been far more prescient than the media for years.

I don't think it's an optimal solution at all and it requires experience and judgement, but that's the best we can do in this totally fucked media environment.

>>72245046
You may be missing the best interpretation that has ever been. You never know when the right genius conductor will meet the perfect orchestra for him, ending up with priceless performances.

Also unless you've got a top tier sound system you can't really beat a real orchestra: you know how much did he cared about the volume of his orchestration, and how much detail is imbued in his craft, You should respect him for that and listen to his music the way he intended for it to be heard: not in your shitty basement, but rather in a glorious, majestic theater.

>>72245120
>terrible singers with typically too-slow conducting
>the way he intended
>falling for spooks like this anyways
faggot

>>72244920

It's stuck in a rut of abstract and postmodern style pieces with composers trying to be edgy and 'break the mould'. If we can find a way past it without just churning out ad nauseam neo-Romantic or Rach pastiches then we could be make contemporary classical decent, just don't know how we get there though.

But yeah, I agree it's not a dying genre. You just have to look harder to find the good and unexpected. A lot of Eastern European radio orchestras often tour the regional venues over here and it's surprisingly good compared the top-tier elite or popular ones. I've seen some amazing performances at venues I really wouldn't expect to see something of that quality like a programme by I think was the Warsaw National Radio Orchestra or something. Straightforward programme with some Dvorak dances, a Chopin concerto and Beethoven 7th. They absolutely went for it though and ended up playing at least four encores of traditional Polish folk dances with the whole hall on it's feet. Incredible performance and atmosphere compared to generic BBC or London orchestras. Completely sold out as well, if more contemporary performances were like that I think more new people would go.

>>72245157
>terrible singers with typically too-slow conducting
You can avoid directors that never satisfied you, but you should still keep giving a chance to new artists emerging from teh conservatories. It's that easy to miss the performance of your life.

>falling for spooks like this anyways
We're talking about the aesthetic value of listening to classical music live in a thread for the appreciation for classical music: we were in the spooked territory from the beginning.

>>72245046

Occasionally they get it right though. Lehnhoff's touring Parsifal production was actually really good for a modernist interpretation. Although that isn't really a contemporary production or one of these recent shit-tier liberal ones.

But that said yeah, the meme ones are generally better, even that 'traditional' Met one from a several years ago was fucking awful.

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>>72245220

Central Eastern Europe has been the shelter of conservative culture for a long time desu. Plus the women are hot as balls.

One avenue that might work is the Ravel model, his experiments with modal and pentatonic, jazz elements, etc created a very unique sound that was never really picked up by others before being smothered by the serialists. A lot of his music sounds way more modern than "post modern" music to me, but of course Bolero is what the faggots latched on to.

However I don't know how a new Ravel could possibly arise in the current environment, he didn't come out of nowhere either.

>>72245068

I'm happy I missed it for a reason. I don't think I could have survived seeing my favourite opera get butchered like that without trying to letterbomb the so-called 'producer'.

>>72245096
>Even so, I've been far more prescient than the media for years.

How do I become like this?

>>72244846
I hate streaming.

>>72245120
There's been a lot of great Wagner conducting on record for the past 20 years, but just about every recording I've heard, from broadcasts to studio, have had extremely variable singing. And most of it ranged from acceptable, to bad.

It really isn't so much about the conductor.

>>72245227
I mean, it's possible that a bunch of new and great singers emerge, but considering the track record of the last few decades, it isn't looking too great.

I think it's mostly about our current environment not being a great one for aspiring opera singers. Comparatively, anyway.

>>72245421

I don't think it's any coincidence desu that nearly all my favourite orchestras the moment are Eastern or Central European ones. Recordings as well, Budapest Festival Orchestra have produced some god-tier Beethoven recordings. Where did they get it so right? Saw an annual free one in Prague last year and most of the crowd was generally younger as well, compared to the general mass of over 70s you get here.

>>72245449

Read history. And read it with skepticism, for example when it says "intellectuals were purged", ask 'who were the ones who labeled them intellectuals?'

It's only by seeing the clear false dichotomies and fake narratives in history that you gain the perspective to call them out in your present time. And this isn't even ideological either, you can be left or right and still learn from this.

I have to stress that you must keep your skepticism at all times though. A pretty easy example: Everyone uses the example of Galileo as a way of saying "Science rules, religions and conservatives BTFO!", however if you dig into the actual arguments, Galileo was adamant that Kepler's elliptical orbital laws were bunk and that all orbits were perfectly circular, which went completely against observations and meant his fellow scientists couldn't argue for him at all against the Church. His failure came from insisting on bad science.

Eventually you'll learn the typical psychological pathways people take in different situations and can preempt them in getting there. Subtlety is always the first thing to die.

Berg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNk_A4ZoI30

>>72245630
How exactly would you say you apply that mode of thought to analyzing current affairs?

>>72245776

Suppose one way you can apply some of the above is to why people are using labels and what they gain from doing it. Pay attention to what people get labelled and ask why they're trying to shift their position by using certain labels. Look at modern day social justice types attacking second-wave feminists for example over their views on trans women. They lump them in with the right and conservatives to try and normalise their contemporary opinion about transgender people when in reality there's nothing remotely conservative about the people they're accusing of being 'conservatives'. Especially in the context that they were the previous generation's radical liberals. See loads of it on both sides of the spectrum these days as well as history generally being taken wildly out of context by (usually) liberals.

I used to play trumpet in my school band when I was little, and I was thinking about getting back into it when my braces come off. Are there any good trumpet pieces? I'm just really used to strings being the focus

>>72245911
Interesting.

What are some examples of liberals taking history out of context? Pardon my ignorance on the topic, but I genuinely don't know. Why are they seemingly so dominant? Are they really as destructive to society as I've heard? I didn't even realize liberalism was a big thing until I went to school as I grew up in Missouri.

>>72246138

Generally most of their non-academic arguments on slavery (although it's different in the US example) or colonialism don't hold up to proper scrutiny. They're far too quick to judge slave owners, slave traders or others who generally promoted or were lead figures in imperialism or colonialism by later standards on the issue. There's far too many efforts at putting people on trial today for not meeting contemporary norms essentially past norms. It's like if a future school of history decides to vilify all car owners in a future context and blame them for climate change. They'd probably fail to fully grasp that those generations grew up with heavy marketing and cultural influences promoting car ownership as a fundamental of independent living etc. It happens all the time in history where you get issues that become controversial later on but fully accepted social norms in their own context.

Other things too like exaggerating the role of people in certain fields today who were exceptions to a rule because it fits their contemporary narrative. I think history in general will look back at the present era as one of the worst periods of revisionism and poor historical method. It's as bad and arguably has overshot even some of the big 60s trends in historiography for applying later schools of thought and social sciences to the past.

They're so dominant largely for a mix of good old fashioned nepotism and being a heavily politicised generation in the 1960s that has grown up to force it's beliefs into an overly impressionable younger generation. Their efforts to keep on fighting the old generation of postwar conservatives are still going on decades after they defeats them, yet they won't stop pushing the same message to the young which they get even more radical about which is pretty much how we're getting SJWs.

Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WyA6Z2rGFY

>>72243220
Pauline Oliveros
Wendy Carlos
Bebe Barron
Cathy Berberian
?

>>72246398
this. Every liberal/leftist/socialist/Democrat is cancer.

>>72246760
>"Wendy" Carlos
>women

>tfw the department won't let you tune one if their pianos in 1/4th comma meantone to see if anyone notices

>>72247310
fuck it do it anyway

>>72247332
I would but I need to be as nice as possible to everyone in the department so they can help me unretire a guy to sit on my thesis committee. Before you ask, kidnapping him is out of the question in this case.

>>72247310
Do it

>you were wrong
>they won't fucking kick you out for such a little infraction

>you were right
>if you become famous people will tell this anecdote to historians and biographers, people will think that you were a genius all along

>>72247310
unless your department is populated by complete retards, someone will notice

>>72234596
if you ain't on RED you ain't patrician son

How hard it is to acheive the contrapunctual perfection we can find in Beethoven's late sonatas?

It's candy for my ears.

So, any good double bass pieces?

Are Schubert's String Quartet's a meme? It's not that I don't like them, but the lack of polyphony is so stark, even the better of them sound like they could just as easily be for string orchestra, the lack of crosstalk kinda makes the quartet setting irrelevant. Schubert's lieder background is very evident in this way.

By contrast, I really like Brahms' quartets, and I see a lot of classical fags say they have a hard time of appreciating them.

I need a song or some songs that are close to Holst's "Mars."

Something that can channel some sort of anger and can embody the aggression felt in a roman Colosseum

>>72249793
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3o7YNqjUxA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZbJOE9zNjw

How do I into music theory? I feel like my appreciation of this music is only surface level...

>>72250078
Learn harmony, form and how to read music. There are thousands of books out there that cover pretty much the same material. Or pay for a basic theory course at your community college and go from there. Don't neglect the basics

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I like 20-1st century, common practice as well as popular music genres such as jazz and rock.

What does this make me?

Can someone tell me of a performance of Mahler 2 that resembles Schoenberg's?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9KGqRoKGiY

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>I had a really magical conversation with Steve Reich after I performed it, who loved it very much, he offered to release it on Nonsuch records, i remember one bit where he was saying you had your tubas, horns, flutes, piccolos etc..in fact this conversation I had with him was amazing and we exchanged many great ideas. I kept then bumping into him , 5 times in fact in 2 days and even ended up sitting next to him on the plane home, talk about synchronicity!
https://vimeo.com/36290194

>>72251156
i can't really think of any, honestly.

want the Obert-Thorn transfer? it's a bit less noisy and also has the pitch corrected.

Say something negative about Furtwangler.

>>72251612

He didn't live forever.

>>72251612
his Beethoven isn't as good as its reputation (though there are a few select recordings which are great)

the vast majority of his later EMI recordings are totally boring

should have taken his wartime stereo tapes before he fled Germany

>>72251612
Good for a goy, but that's it. Any great Jewish conductor is better.

>>72251778
such as?

>>72251612
who the hell would name their child Furtwangler

>>72251815
René Leibowitz
Ferenc Fricsay
Pierre Monteux
Victor de Sabata
Bruno Walter
Josef Krips
George Szell
Otto Klemperer
Serge Koussevitzky

to name a few of his contemporaries

>>72252044
not to mention Mahler himself

>>72251857
Never talk to me or my Furtwangler ever again

>>72252044
>Szell
>Koussevitzky
meh

Koussevitzky turned the BSO into a power-house, but i never liked most of his interpretations. there's a few notable exceptions like some of his Brahms

>>72252167
>Mahler
>contemporary with Furtwangler

>>72252473
I let myself go with that one, but they're only 25 years apart in age so it's not that crazy of a comparison

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>>72252044

How nice of you to...make a list...

More like this?
https://youtu.be/bIMl4k_LFDY

>>72251331
Oh sure that would be nice

Have you listened to poly today?

https://soundcloud.com/psllbof/fugue-in-bb-minor-a-3
https://soundcloud.com/psllbof/fugue-in-eb-minor
https://soundcloud.com/psllbof/fugue-in-a-latin-rhythm

>>72252728
https://mega.nz/#!idE02YwL!ikpNnNEK24aAMCbgu8odp9qg8M21u2L5dzebDN3SMOI

>>72253035
>Paul van Kempen
literally who?

nevertheless really nice recordings, than kyou

>>72231900
Is there any music with this sort of atmosphere in the photo?

Faure's chamber music is surprisingly good.

>>72253404
Interesting question

Maybe this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsCj6grU71E

>>72247310

Not to hit on your job, but why isn't there a self tuning or mechanical tuning device for pianos yet? Isn't it all a matter of hertz that a microphone can judge far better?

>I listen to classical music
*tips fedora*

My brother's favourite classical pieces are:
1812 Overture
Sabre Dance
William Tell Overture
In The Hall of the Mountain King
ode to joy
flight of the bumblebee
Entry of the gladiators
Mars
ride of the valkryies
What else would he like?

>>72243220
Amy Beach

>>72253864
don't fedoras listen to radiohead and soft metal?

Classical listeners tend to be pretty clean-cut normies, often christian.

>>72253864
fedoras listen to jazz music stupid

>>72253864
fedoras unironically listen to video game music or metal, often both

Redpill me on classical and where to start with it. I have very cursory knowledge of Mozart and Bach and Beethoven. Any essential recordings/pieces for a newcomer?

I'm sick of listening to popular music.

>>72243220
Lili Boulanger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtOjUQ0Lqj0

>>72254472
we really need to make a flowchart

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9QLiefnoDE
this is probably the most entry level of all entry level classical

>>72254535
thank you. Any more you could recommend? Perhaps some releases included in those mega folders you have?

>>72254827
I would start with one symphony, one piano solo, and one Bach and just follow from there what you like the most.
Beethoven is a good place to start with symphonies I think. 5, 6, and 9 are the most accessible/well known (but 3 is my favorite). 5 and 9 start off dark and dramatic and transform into heroic and grandiose while 6 walks you through scenes in a countryside. 3 starts off heroic and happy, then turns dark, then ends off light and fun. Choose which one interests you the most I guess.
Piano solo, I would rec Debussy but there isn't much accessible-for-beginners Debussy piano stuff in the mega links. Suite Bergamesque is accessible for sure though. Chopin's nocturnes are good if you like melancholic rainy day music.
For Bach, his Passion settings are widely regarded to be two of the greatest pillars of music but they're 2 and 3 hours so I wouldn't worry about that right now. But listen on Youtube the opening to St. John Passion to get a taste of it. Anyway, the Cello suites are pretty famous and if you can read sheet music then look up what a fugue is on Wiki then listen to the Art of Fugue while reading the score.
If you like aggressive music, then listen to Stravinsky's Rite of Spring (Le sacre du printemps)

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>>72231900
Albicastro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBJwxUK402k
>rich harmonies
>intense melodies
>hidden fugal elements
>self-taught
Telemann
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_7ONG_LQnA
>complex harmonies
>innovative melodies
>hidden gypsy/folk influences
>self-taught
I'm starting to see a pattern here.

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>>72254472

>>72255305
>>72255360

thanks

>>72245530

>>72244613

This is legit good advice, thanks.

Mahler is everything Wagner wishes he could be

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Why is it so hard to play 9th's for me!

Is it something you have to get used to?

>>72258598
actually its the other way around kiddo

Hello.
Can someone please tell me what are the most popular music books used to teach to complete beginners in conservatories and serious music institutions? I'm interested in what is used in English and German speaking countries.

>>72240394
Try playing the b with your left hand.

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Pick one: Serialism, Minimalism, Indeterminacy

GO

>>72259311
What the fuck is going on with your thumb m8

>>72259311
Are your hands deformed?
if not just relax your hands more, you can get RSI from doing that

>>72260146
>beginners in conservatories
pretty sure you need a good grasp of music to even get into a conservatory.

Get the complete idiots guide to music theory if you want something basic.
Depends what you want to learn - counterpoint, harmony, form, orchestration, composition, songwriting. Each one has a hundred books on the subject. There isn't really one "learn music" book.

>>72260186
Minimalism ftw

Alberti
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEbao4Z1UbU

Venturini
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYjZye6D63w

>>72243617
>Soros shills
>on /mu/
retard

>>72253882
>1812 overture
>flight of the bumblebee
>Sabre Dance
>William Tell Overture
>In the Hall of the Mountain King
your brother has shit taste desu

>>72260186
Minimalism obviously

>>72260186
>choosing anything other than minimalism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHyb45r-sKk&ab_channel=peregrintuk

>not browsing rec.music.classical.recordings

>>72260186
Minimalism is kind of boring

Stokowski's 135th Birthday

>>72260186
Serialism