/classical/

Saariaho is best Fin

1st shameless self bump of many

Opinions on the entire Decca Ultimate series for a newfag? Checking that out since mega links are restrictive without their pro/premium thing.

>Aho
>Saariaho
>Salonen
>Sibelius
>Rautavaara (eh)
What are other Finnish composers worth caring about? Is Segerstam actually good or is he just a meme?

>>70381531
essential finn-core
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVtJKrVDHPQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wSNSk97hEY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--elKKbmoPU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7ZQTYhO4fM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBrQjIZw1lA

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>>70382137
Oh and I got this.
Anyone familiar with Kortekangas? He any good?

Has anyone else noticed how good the sound quality of Marc-André Hamelin's albums is?

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What does /classical/ think of Gubaidulina, Sciarrino, Finnissy, Chin, Lachenmann, Saariaho, Haas, Norgard, Ruders, Cerha, Murail, Ferneyhough, Ullmann, Robin, Kurtag

can anyone rec some good recordings of beethoven's missa solemnis?

What do you fags think of those guys who say that metal is the closest thing contemporary music has got to classical?

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>>70383340
Plenty of good ones. I like pic best but try Herbert Kegel's out too.

https://youtu.be/JyJmoNRDR-Y?t=16s

What piece is played at the part of the video where "2008" is on the screen? I linked to the place where it starts.

>>70383142
Haas and Murail are good

>>70383542
Ferneyhough time and motion study ii

>>70383360
pls respond

Petzold

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hSoVLQ3SBc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnLy31-Z7E4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w433wbM14Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdDU4qwaI80
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oESzlizAafE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7jem-LgKgA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9MU1T6uDXA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_s22fNJdICQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNpxyjYPVUg

>>70382185
Well I uploaded this if anyone cares.
https://mega.nz/#!jggG3JaK!MCRgHc4mJbc0GgoGimihGKvxg4QW0PnDwY6f6caV9sk
Apparently Kortekangas was a student of Rautavaara. Do you know anything about him, Rautavaarafag?

>>70383360
They just dont know that actual contemporary classical exists.

>tfw working on the same score for the last 6 hours

fucking hell this is a nightmare why cant fucking software be as easy as fucking pen and paper FUCK

>>70382185
That's my favourite recording of Kullervo desu

The work is a little bit too long but when you're in the mood for it, it's like all the fun bits of Sibelius put together. Makes me wish he'd had more of a go at writing operas

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>>70385362
Oh no wait, wrong one. I prefer the Segertsam recording. Will have to have a listen to that Vanska one though

>>70385058
Why don't you just use pen and paper then ?

>>70385362
desu when I feel like Sibelius I usually got for the violin concerto. Not the biggest fan but he's a good composer.

How does Finland have so much great music for such a small country?

>>70383360
actually tis grime lol xD

>>70383360
>>70386298

Answer to both is autism.

>>70387253
That's the answer to literally everything in the universe according to 4chan.

Play the best Saariaho song in the world.

>>70375799
>I don't think governments will ever have to make laws like that, because wealthy patrons have always realized the importance of making art accessible and fund music halls, orchestras, composers, etc.

That's kinda apologetic. Most western countries are funding contemporary music, but their support is laughable at best.

>It's not a communist idea, because access to art and access to food and housing are totally different animals
It is ultimately a communist idea, but it is a very pragmatic one. We've had about 80 years of actual music business, so we should be free to talk about the current situation (wich have been static for half a century now) as an actual phenomenon, and not just what's happening know.
And what's this actual phenomenon? A complete decadence of the art. You won't find any resemblance of craft or true meaning in any top 40 song of the last 50 years. They're garbage and the public has been completely alienated from what music appreciation is, to a point where you actually have to explain to people how you should listen to Chopin (you actually have to say that listen to beethoven on your ipod while doing laundry is not a good way to experience his art).
The complete mercification of art has bought only decadence and dumbing down to our public repertoire. I'm pretty sure that everyone here has abandoned every sort of delusion on any composer becoming as famous as Shostakovich was in the '40s, yet no one is ready to be radical enough to just say that this system is simply not compatible with art.

It's not about being a libtard or a rightwing-nut, it's more about assessing the reality of the situation (the public is simply uncapable of promoting thoughtful music).

>>70383360
Nah, it's just because metal has access to certain moods and emotions, and those emotions are always the most accessible ones to the modern public.
People are really not equipped to listen to a Bach cantata and make something out of it, but whenever they hear the third movement of the Moonlight Sonata they'll just go ''wow, that's the death metal of the 1800s'' only because the only thing they understand about that piece is the fury, frustration and fast-tempo.

>>70387506
FUCK. OFF.

>>70387584
We're on /classical/, you're allowed to build an argument. I will take it seriously and respond respectfully without assuming that you're a retard. You can do the same.

Why does Janacek like tritones so much reee

petzold

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>>70383340

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>>70381531
Sibelius symphonies are excellent! What else of his works should I hear?

Also, daily reminder Schubert is husbandu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iye2I23BrE4

I like Neoclassical pieces more than serial ones.

>>70388928
klemperer is my papi

>>70389945
What a unique preference.

>>70381531
>lindberg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzPI5z1cYvc

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UXP3707FLA&index=241&list=PLqRFNR9X0aMz0ciEmcdq_ohHktgLa2F5N
It's all construction site noises.

>>70390633
>tfw two intelligent too listen to site noises

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>>70390633

Petzold

>>70391534
babby jesus

We all know our textbooks are full of them. But what about an entire college course that features nothing but dead white men? I took a survey music history class last semester, and I was just archiving my notes when I noticed the overwhelming dead white dude factor. (We did not use these textbooks, by the way. I just used the pictures.)

To be fair, this course attempts to whip through about a thousand years of western music in less than four months. To be fair, we did cover Philip Glass in the last week, and though he is a white man, he is not, in fact, dead. To be fair, our instructor did mention in passing that Clara Schumann and Fanny Mendelssohn Hensel (dead white women) were also talented, just like their more famous husband and brother, respectively.

The instructor explained that there just wasn't time to delve into other areas of music such as women composers, jazz, or ethnomusicology. (I've recently figured out that ethnomusicology means any music that wasn't made by a dead white man. It's also not required coursework for many masters programs.)

The message, in case you missed it: dead white men make the most important music. The other stuff is cool, but we can only talk about it if we have time left to kill.

Everyone who uses "woman" as an adjective is subhuman

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Music for this feel?

>>70392416
petzold

>>70392135
okay you subwoman

>>70392416
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7BHJR2nr_g

>>70387506
the sad part is that rich people dont even care about art anymore.
The old aristocracy has been replaced by nouveau riche stem-fags, that would rather spend a million dollars on a private Katy Perry concert rather than help fund an opera house.

I'm a communist so I ofc don't think the arts
should be dependent on rich people, It's just pretty fucking sad that neither the government nor any other institutions don't give a shit about contemporary art.

>>70393181
>I'm a communist

hahaha

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>>70393181

>I'm a communist

>>70392416
Leck mich im Arsch

>>70393051
There is no such thing.

>>70394090
You're a very unique snowflake then, one of a kind subwoman

>>70394140
What the fuck are you trying to say?

>>70393440
>>70393619
>discrediting leftists on /classical/
It's like you hate 80% of the guys in the OP filedump

>>70394467
none of them were communists, shlomo

>>70394485
>none of them were communists, shlomo
Nice delusions you've got there mate.

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>>70393440
>>70393619

Enjoy living in your shit capitalist world where the only music that's deemed valuable is the kind that makes the most money.

>>70394534
What is some essential commie-core?
There's Shosty I guess but he hated Stalin.

>>70395147
Ustolvolskaya, but she was probably in the same boat as shosty

>>70395147
He was against stalinism, but he still was a communist at heart.

>>70395147
Beethoven's 9th Symphony is objectively a socialist symphony.
Also I know that Ravel was a commie too. Most composers from the second Viennese School were Frankfurtist.

>>70395147
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Gm7RgdzeWM

>>70395147
Copland was a commie.

>>70395147
Johann Sebastian Bach was a communist.

>>70395147
Tikhon Khrennikov was the head commie composer and Stalin ball licker.

Here's Prokofiev's birthday prezzie to Stalin. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrTG-OQTXGM

>>70384385
why is the harpsichord so ugly

Bach is best composer.

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>>70390633
modern classical deserves to die

>>70396098
Hell, technical death metal is the closest thing to classical that exists today.

>>70396146
Really? What about Jazz?

Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9MnfxNfD2c

>>70396290
Jazz died 50 years ago.

>>70396290

Not that metal is, but how is jazz remotely similar to classical?

>>70396344
You might as well ask how contemporary classical is remotely similar to classical classical.

>>70396344
It uses the same instruments and tonal harmonic system

>>70390633
fav part is the end where everyone is using the hammers

in this song i made, there's moments in the chorus where i "jump the gun" on the start of the measure, dont really know how to put it. what would this look like in proper notation regarding rhythm for the guitar?
http://vocaroo.com/i/s16X5U5ixQj5
i'm just getting into score and music theory and stuff, and this is how the riff came to me originally, but i don't know how to translate it to score

can someone explain the Petzold meme?

>>70397976
It's silly that one of Bach's more famous compositions was actualy composed by someone else, whose name is Petzold, therefore it's funny to say "Petzold" randomly.

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>listening to Quatour Pour La Fin Du Temps
>movement is titled "Dance of Fury, for the Seven Trumpets"
>there are no trumpets
What did Messiaen mean by this?

>>70398152
memessiaen

>>70384385

Wow! He was the composer of Anh. 115 and 114 I think. I love his style.

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>>70395807

You are ugly.

>>70398152
It is a reference to the book of Revelations. But it was written and premiered in a prison camp so he didn't have much scope for including a large brass section.

>>70399908
>written and premiered in a prison camp

Was he limited to bone carved wood winds?

post composers who were ahead of their time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ1Z_wpvm0k

>>70383961
Thanks senpai

>>70401006
Holy crap,That was amazing!I just wan to to use this in a vido with slo mo killing people.Thi is amazing.Eвaлa ти пpaaa

>>70385058
What software are you using? is the software the problem or is it just that scores take a while? I'm dreading having to score out my symphony, its going to take months. Almost Everything is written in DAW, just a matter of transferring it via MIDI into sibelius, then starting the fine orchestration details, dynamics, cleaning up, balance etc. Its a shitload of work.

>>70395147
All those marches from all those communist countries:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JwDDJQBrf4

>>70396098
modern classical encompasses a huge variety of styles. Its not all atonal hyper complexity.
These are modern:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzSlmWQuHFw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyJKv4o1Ul0

>>70396146
*Contemporary classical is the closest thing to classical that exists today

>>70401022
Youtube commenters should realize that murder is a crime

>>70401075
Hi poly. Why do people here seem to hate you so much that you're a meme? Just curious.

>>70401006

Holy shit, this isn't just a remix. A remix is usually just a beat put onto a sample. This is actual reinterpretation of the piece, and making it into a new idea.

>>70401129
He underrated Mozart.

>>70401131
I think "reincarnation" is a word more suited to such a masterful "reinterpretation"

Beethoven

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPV9tfJNOvY

Who would your replace "the big three" with?

>>70402469
petzold

>>70402469
Mozzart (underrated)

>>70402469
Grimes desu

>>70402469
Handel with Bach
Haydn with Mozart
Brahms with Beethoven

Done.

>>70402469
Debussy, Stravinsky, Schoenberg

>>70402469
Mozart with mozzart
Beethoven with Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
Bach with that one guy that wrote that night music song

>>70402469
Bach, Beethoven, Bartok

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beck

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8RTPYaWXj8
so dank

>>70383360
I don't agree and I don't care

Why is this thread still up?

>>70395274
>Beethoven's 9th Symphony is objectively a socialist symphony.

Go die in Siberia. Don't drag Beethoven into your filthy Judeo-Bolshevist swamp.

>>70405758
why shouldn't it be? /classical/ threads tend to last longer than most other threads on /mu/

>>70405222
Wtf why do you like it

>>70407402
in general, I like complex music because it's constantly changing and the texture is always active. it's basically overloading your aural memory, forcing you to really listen and notice things like articulation or rhythmic variations at a microscopic level. it's a much higher rate of information than most music that makes it so interesting.

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>>70405222

>>70381531
Akshyually, Raautvara is my favorite Finn composer.

>>70383360
Classical music is still around. Unless they mean the Classical era but then they're still wrong. It does have a similar use of mode and keys though.

>>70390633
Steve Reich did the same in City Life.

>>70393181
If you're a Communist then rich people wouldn't be mandating art the government would. You would be the one stopping the artistic expression of Prokofiev and Shostakovich.

>>70395147
Petzold is believed to have been a precursor to Communists.

>>70395147
Kurt Weill

This is actually pretty complex
https://youtu.be/ckGYZ7w-7pc

>>70402469
Monteverdi, Haydyn and Saint-Saens.

>>70405962
>literally a song about universal human brotherhood
Yeah, not socialistic at all. I'm pretty sure that while he was writing the 9th Symphony Beethoven was thinking mostly about private property, NAP and self-correcting free markets.

Nobody even mentions J.H.Tiihonen in this thread. Fucking plebs.

>>70402469
Steve Reich, Leonard Bernstein, Ling Ling

>>70405991
because they're slow as shit lol. /mu/ doesn't listen to real music, they only listen to pop crap

>>70407917
lol is this real

>>70410185
that sounds like a christian idea

>>70410383
I don't think Ferneyhough even had children.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPxvSemKiqo

why listen to classical when you can listen to metal?

>>70410394
>implying that actual christianity is far from socialism
Capitalism is degeneration, that's not what Jesus taught us.

>>70410507
It's about 1800 years away, and I doubt there's enough evidence that Jesus could be described as a socialist. Maybe he'd be in favor of welfare at least

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>>70410394
>>70410507
>>70410642

Jesus couldn't have given two shits about ideological pitfalls like Capitalism vs socialism, he was too busy being the Divine Individual.

>>70410684
Well only because they didn't exist in ~20 AD

>>70410642
Considering that none of his values goes against socialism (wich doens't happen with capitalism, libertarianism and neoliberism) should be a pretty big red flag.

>>70410684
>Jesus couldn't have given two shits about ideological pitfalls like Capitalism vs socialism
He never talked about economic theories, but he talked a lot about ethics, and his teachings are way closer to socialism than capitalism (unless you believe in supply side jesus).
But who cares, we're on 4chan and everyone here is implicitly equating socialism to stalinism, supporting their opinion with exactly zero arguments.

>>70410722
Posting Jordan Peterson memes is apparently enough of an argument though.

>>70401075
Sibelius. But importing a symphony into a notation program through MIDI import is impossible so I'm just going to break it to you.

1) You should not have written a symphony in a DAW. The only way this works is if you scored it out as you worked on it - otherwise you'll start to forget dynamics (if you even had those), your vocabulary will be limited to what the DAW can do, and like you said, it will take forever to score.

2) You should have been scoring it as you work. To put it in perspective, on paper + DAW it took me about 2 hours to finish a solid 4 minutes of music. It took me 8 hours to score it properly. Granted, I was tired as fuck, and the music had some non-standard notation, but the point remains.

>>70410722
If you take the parable of the workers who get equal pay for different work he would be a literal Socialist but I don't think it's enough to really put him in to a physical economic angle.

>>70410722

I'd say his ethics were way closer to CHRISTIANITY, myself.

You are just desperately trying to paint Jesus with some form of idealistic socialism to validate that failed system to yourself. What's next, Jesus totaaally smoked weed too?

>>70409200
Yeah but he actually made music.

That bullshit is just exploration of timbre. It's like he hunted down a hog and only ate the fat, because he never dug down enough into the hog to find the meat.

>>70410771
I've seen a few interviews of his. He may be a good psychologist (since he is tenured in a major university), but he is a terrible philosopher at best, an intellectually dishonest opportunist at worst.
None of his arguments are ever supposed by actual reasoning. I'm challenging you. Pick any one of his interviews or vlogs and listen to it. You will hear him costantly stating his (controversial, you will agree with me on this) opinions as facts, without ever trying to give any basis to it, nor scientific or philosophic.

>>70410809
And wich are the ethics of christianity? I'm not saying that Jesus was literally a commie, I'm saying though that his teachings are completely compatible with traditional socialism.
When you put interstectional feminism into the equation it becomes harder, if not impossible, to equate the ideologies, I'll give you that.

>>70410797
Socialism is workers owning the means of production. That's it.
The myth about equal pay is pure propaganda, very few communists are actually true egalitarians. Private property (the means of production, aka factories, power plants, etc.) would be socialized, but personal property is still there. ''From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs''.

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>>70410869

READ
SOLZHENITSYN

>>70411062
low-hanging, considering that we're on /classical/

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>>70410869
>I'm saying though that his teachings are completely compatible with traditional socialism.

Maybe...just maybe... the ethics of socialism... we're based on... christianity.. and not, not... the other way around...

>>70411233
>Maybe...just maybe... the ethics of socialism... we're based on... christianity.. and not, not... the other way around...
That's a completely different matter, and I'm pretty sure that academics may have debated on it for decades. The ties are, anyway, evident, especially considering how strong has been the Catholic Communist tradition in Europe.
Still, it doesn't defy my point. Not only socialism is compatible with Christianity, but it is also the best way to organize our music business. 100 years have passed, and we've now got accostumed to the mediocrity that the mercificationof art has accomplished, to the point where we're so delusional that we don't expect good music from the top 40s in the first place.
Capitalism and art don't go together, and when they do nothing good comes out of it. People shouldn't be so harsh on seemingly leftist policies (wich are, ultimately, bourgeoise) that include state funding of the high arts.

>>70411233
I think you'll find simple ethics like sharing and owning the means of production go way back to the neolithic and not some jew with a good idea only 2000 years ago.

>>70410869
>he is a terrible philosopher at best, an intellectually dishonest opportunist at worst.
You only claim this because he threatens your ideology. You're being completely unfair to him, and you know it. He can't argue every one of his points from first principles in a brief interview. If you want to actually learn about his ideas, you have to watch his lectures or read his book Maps of Meaning. To judge his ideas otherwise is the essence of lazy pseudo-intellectualism.

>You will hear him costantly stating his (controversial, you will agree with me on this) opinions as facts, without ever trying to give any basis to it, nor scientific or philosophic.
He does back up some of his more seemingly controversial ideas with science, such as his claim that society requires both conservatives and liberals in order to function. I don't know if that's actually true or not, but he does cite studies that say conservatives are more likely take managerial roles in society, while liberals more often take entrepreneurial roles, and it's not a stretch to think that those two roles complement each other. He does this with most of his other ideas as well. He also presents one of the more convincing philosophical arguments in favor of religion that I've seen (though I don't agree with it): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5_-pfqFGJI.

If you have any problem with his ideas, you can tell him on twitter or youtube. He occasionally responds to people who disagree intelligently.

>>70411317

>owning the means of production
>neolithic

Yeah, the berrybushes belonged to the PEOPLE, maaaan.

>>70411375
Not him, but prehistoric communities were essentially communistic. The need for cooperation and strong, personal ties are usually discredited cause of the current state of society, but for most of our history that was the way communities lived.

>>70411470
>but prehistoric communities were essentially communistic
An old Marxist myth (established largely on general ignorance) that has been disproved time and time again.

>>70411470
They were also extremely fragmented and tribalistic. Is that also a necessity?

>>70411470

Ugh, just get the fuck out here with your ideological shilling. We are here to discuss classical, not your pipe dream.

>actually jesus was a socialist
>actually cavemen were socialist
>stalinism is not the same as socialism u guuuys!!!
>actually beethoven was a communist

Just shut the fuck up. You are disgusting.
Ideology and shill.

>>70411522
You have not disproven any of those statements. I've instead argued them extensively.

>>70411498
It depends on who you ask it to. Many anarchists seclude themselves in closed, self-sustaining communes, and they work most of the time.

>>70411491
It hasn't, you're wrong.

>>70411642

>You have not disproven any of those statements.

Do I need to? You're just gonna put forth more toxic ideology once I do. You're just gonna keep shilling until someone tells you to fuck off.

>>70411670

I'm not just typing sweeping statements. I'm actually open to debate and I'm arguing all of my points. Anyway I'd rather debate on Beethoven, since this is getting a bit too much off-topic.

>>70411778
Here, have an on topic video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeUjYzyh5v8

>>70411870
>link a 50 minutes video
Just argue your point.

>>70411948

Pretty sure he was just sharing a video, my dude.

>>70402469
scriabin, ravel, stravinsky

Petzzold

>>70402469
Bach, Mozart, and Beethoven.

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Reminder that, although Mozart is underrated, Bach is even more underrated.

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>>70413349
further proof that grimes is underrated

>>70410507
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>>70411778

Petzold-tier

Beethoven is the true underrated.

The conclusion of a thinking man.

>>70414011
Hell, I've posted Petzold once or twice in my day.

>>70413349
>attempting to rate something as vague as "human accomplishment"
how can anybody (without autism) take this shit seriously

What platform do you guys listen to classical music on? I know that live performance is ideal but for casual listening do you torrent, use the radio, youtube, etc let me know

>>70415054
I see it live 3 times a week. If you're under-30 chances are that a annual subscription to your local philarmonics is cheap as fuck.
In my hometown 60$ buy me 30 concerts, if you're a music major it's 30$.

Any recs for good Baroque albums/specific recordings of lesser known composers? I've already listened to the usual Bach, Vivaldi, Frescobaldi, Handel, Rameau, Scarlatti, etc that gets posted here a lot

>>70415215

petzold

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>>70415215
I assume you already have some stuff by Biber, Telemann and Monteverdi.

>>70415406
yep, all the big names basically

listening to sample of that on youtube and it sounds great, thanks
any chamber music recs?

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>>70415054
In my city there are rarely any classical concerts and spending an evening in Frankfurt which isn't far from here can be quite expensive.
I listen to vinyl records though which might be the closest to a live concert.

>>70415786
If it's not far you can probably reach it for a few bucks with blablacar. Just bring your own food and you won't spend a dime.
I know that I may sound patronizing, but you're really missing out if you don't see it live.

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>>70415215
Zavateri violin concertos by Freiberger Barockorchester
Vilsmayr violin suites by Ars Antiqua Koln
Westhoff violin sonatas by Le Plaisir du Parnasse
Weiss lute concertos and sonatas by La Tempesta di Mare
Bertali Prothimia Suavissima by Capriccio Stravagante

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>>70415054
>I know that live performance is ideal

>u wot m8

>>70416933
A lot of people seem to prefer his live Goldbergs even with the small mistakes.

>>70410185
>I'm pretty sure that while he was writing the 9th Symphony Beethoven was thinking mostly about private property, NAP and self-correcting free markets.

I'm sure he was thinking about ANY political stuff, you walking husk of a man animated by the stinking fuel of your ideology... must suck not being able to appreciate art without using it for confirmation of your shit-tier ideology

>>70416988

I meant as if Gould had heard that poster's opinion and took issue with it (which he would have), not that Gould's studio recordings are better than his live ones.

>>70415786
>pending an evening in Frankfurt ... can be quite expensive.
quoi??
you're saying tickets are expensive or its expensive to get there? I was thinking of going

>>70417033
Gould would be stupid then. live performances are always ideal, unless you just happen to have a hundred-thousand dollar audio set up with perfect quality

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>>70417001
Beethoven was a fairly politically engaged composer who wrote often in letters about his political thoughts. People claiming him for their modern ideologies and causes is annoying but depicting composers as apolitical is equally wrong.

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>>70401478

>>70415054
Spotify

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>>70415215

>>70417033
>not that Gould's studio recordings are better than his live ones.
They kinda are, they're edited as fuck. I'm pretty sure that they're almost exactly what Gould had in mind, in a way that trascends technical limitations.

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>>70381531
How do you know which direction to bow on a violin if it's not in the score?

>>70417525
By not being a retarded faggot that watches anime

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>>70417525
Are you serious?

>>70417525
If there are no fingering indications then is up to you. Amateurs usually just play it the way their teacher play it.

>>70417544
>>70417590
wow that was rude

>>70414011
Petzold = pozzed mold

>>70416933
Damn, he was such a cutie :3

>>70417111
>being an audiophile
>2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGZoKplBhfo

>>70418351
agreedo. hottest pianist ever.

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>>70418842
wrong

>>70418842
I don't know about that, he hasn't aged gracefully.
While he looks scatterbrain and cute in his younger years, in his later years he looked like a crazy autistic spaz. The whole ''let's go round, sing everything and mimic the music with my face and body'' works well when you're a young, attractive prodigy. When you're a 50 years old balding, hunchbacked man it comes out as creepy.

>>70419056
Well obviously you're going to judge someone's looks based on when they're young.

>>70419094
He looked like that in his late '20s. You have about 8 years of pure Golden God Gould©, and then 22 years of creepy pedo glenn. I'd say that after all Glenn Gould has been beautiful, but for a very short span of time.

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>>70381531
Subscrib pls
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_GgVtHAkHKNghroUKONROQ

>>70419755
You posted an anime so I will not.

>>70419755
Lol you're one of those faggots who puts anime pictures on classical music vids. Of cours eI'm not subscribing to you

>>70382946
what a shitty job drawing these. Even the chibi composers bear more resemblance to their counterparts

>>70420008
at least they're not anime

>>70413349
>no Mahler

This makes me happy

>>70420100
Schoenberg and Mendelssohn are still there...

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>>70419802
>>70419829

>>70420281
anon if you want to post anime pictures on 4chan that's fine , but doing so on classical videos on YouTube is cringe

>>70420281
this is such a fun place, isn't it

>>70381531
That's one fine looking gentleman.

>>70420457
It's just as bad as if you'd used ponies.

>>70419755
>>70420281
>No timestamps on each movement in the description
fucking retard

>>70420604
I'll be sure to use my furry art next time I upload classical music to youtube.

>>70420687
May I suggest cropped sadpanda faces?

>>70420125
Has nothing to do with his jewishness. He just singlehandedly destroyed musical tradition. Mendelssohn is sublime.

>>70420457
What's wrong with pairing the respective pinnacles of video and music art forms?

>>70420738
>He just singlehandedly destroyed musical tradition.
Sure, but he did masterfully. Just like Picasso he made up a new system and immediatly excelled at it, in a way that is simply unique.
He deserves to be there.

>>70420762
Because no image can match listening a classical piece while having the musical sheet being shown in real time to you.
Nowadays I don't even bother to listen to anything if it's not uploaded with its sheet.

>>70420762
If you want to use screenshots form an Andrei Tarkovsky film then by all means do so

>>70420762
>What's wrong with pairing the respective pinnacles of video and music art forms?
Most of the music you're posting was deliberatly abstract, in fact most common practice composer simply refused to give titles to their music to mantain that obscurity.

Therefore, I don't think it's fair to couple music with videos and pictures of your liking. You should instead post them with scores. Even beginners will appreciate it.

I love kaija sariaaho

>>70420738
>Mendelssohn is sublime.
Sublimely boring

>>70420814
>>70420882
Scores are ideal, but if you have to use a picture, it should be a picture of the composer, the album cover, or (if you want to get creative) a painting from the same era as the piece of music.

>>70420901
not enough to spell her name correctly

>>70420912
>picture of the composer
Acceptable
>the album cover
It depends on the cover.
>a painting from the same era as the piece of music
Imho it really works only on post 1870 music. Associating Renaissance music with Renaissance paintings, for example, would be an oxymoron. Same for baroque, where the aesthetic canons and goals of painters were radically different from the musicians' ones.

>>70420949
sorry I'm just an avant teen poser with a lastfm and rym account who discovered kaija saariaho four days ago

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>>70415215
Froberger

>>70410787
> importing a symphony into a notation program through MIDI import is impossible
Its not, I often work like this. That way you write with high quality sounds and can get a better feeling for the end result. Notation programs are purely that - for notation. I never trust their playback, and I write by ear so sound quality is important.
Notice I said I add the fine orchestration details, dynamics etc once I start scoring. It means I already have a draft of what the notes, tempo etc will be like and I just need to go through and mark all the dynamics, check doublings etc. Its more of an editing phase where I clean up the score and make sure the dynamics are balanced based on my experience of working with orchestras and my knowledge of orchestral scores. I dont use the playback from the notation software during this phase.

Try not to tell people something they are doing is impossible. My method works well, and allows me to focus on the sounds and rhythms without having to worry about the specifics of the score. Music ends as sound, so I start with sound. The score is purely a method of communicating that sound with the orchestra.

Of course some extended techniques you may not have in your sample libraries, but most of what I'm writing doesn't use extended techniques, and I can always add them in in the scoring phase as special effects / background textures.

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>>70420974
>Same for baroque, where the aesthetic canons and goals of painters were radically different from the musicians' ones.
only superficially.
what exactly makes you think its not appropriate?

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>>70419755
Tip from somebody doing similar thing: put up obscure music that are not available else where, so that they have to look at anime girls while listening to the music.
Also don't just upload random shit, have a theme you follow with your anime pics.

>>70420637
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XckvLWrXc3w
You have no idea how long this took me.

>>70415215
Buxtehude

-Membra Jesu nostri
-Scandinavian Cantates
-Jesu meines Lebens Leben
-Fürwahr er trug unsere Krankheit

>>70422939
cute image

>>70415215
>>70422984
>specific albums or recordings

wew didn't see that sorry

>>70422481
I'll be sure to do this with ponies.

>>70419056
Yeah, how dare he age!!?? >:^(

I'm looking for the most complex, intricate classical music, to be listened to for it's intricacies. Something besides Bach please, I already thoroughly enjoy Bach, he's an all time favorite of mine. I just want to immerse myself in the complexity.

>>70381531
I downloaded pretty much everything from the OP here. How come you chose so many recordings of such shitty quality to upload? A lot of the same recordings that I downloaded from the top rated rym recordings sound much better than the ones here.

>>70423736
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYMXbM0RCeU

>>70420832
Tarkovsky is anime tier.

>>70423765
Nice, but I should specify I'm looking for whole recorded albums. I can't get behind this schoenberg sound that much either, I was hoping for something with multiple instruments too.

>>70423873
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2y0NMLGriOs

>>70423873
>this schoenberg sound
rofl

>>70423873
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sd3hvhnd7YU

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>>70383360
Worst meme in the history of recorded sound

>>70396098
u just dont get it

>>70407574
>being this pretentious

>>70423755
Most classical fans here are not content with just worshipping old music they believe they must worship shitty old recordings of old music. Unless it has been recorded on a teabag by a senile old fuck who can't stop from grunting while playing it's not real classical. They will tell you that the musicians of the early 20th century are the only ones who van interpret this music with real feeling and everything since the 50s is by over trained robots. Feel free to find a well recorded modern version of these works.

>>70425208
It's true though. You have to listen to Furtwangler

>>70425208
I do like HIP baroque recordings thoguh

>>70425535
Of course and Toscanini and Mengelberg and Koussevitzky etc etc. That's real classical.

>>70425208
except there's plenty of modern recordings along with piss old recordings in those megas, calm your (insecure) tits

even die-hard "historical recording" fanatics like SDF would almost always recommend a modern version along with a historical one

>>70423768

>>70423768

>>70426438
Your arrogant dumb ass is gonna draw more retards to this thread

>>70426438
The rest of /mu/ is retarded.

>>70426494
Let them in. We'll eat them alive.

>>70426494
Those kinds of threads have been around for, what, 4-5 years now? Not much has changed

>>70387506
god damn what a succinct way to put it. I can't find more to say on the subject.

>>70420911
Most of Mendelssohn is boring as shit but he has a few really good gems

>>70393181
haha wow i hope you're underage or that is WAY more embarrassing

>>70395147
Prokofiev, one of my personal favourites.

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>>70419755
I'll give you a pity sub since you're so desperately begging for them.

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>>70427583

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>>70418351
>>70418952

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>>70427711
>>70427769
>>70427804

>>70426438
>quoting Adorno
>2017
Name one thing he was right about.

>>70428148
He was right about Mozart being underrated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELAKF8ZxDmg

hey /classical/

I wanted to know if you can think of even one great composer who did not start playing music before the age of 10.

how much time per day do you all spend listening to music?

>>70430338

ives and satie i think but they're probably not "great."

>>70426438

Although OP is an arrogant cunt, he has a point. /mu/ has declined so much, and don't even get me started on /tv/.

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>>70427839
Old Zimmy looks a lot better than old Argerich

Have a young Zimmy too

What does /classical/ think about Jean Rondeau?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMbBYR_lplE

>>70431664
>/mu/ has declined so much
what are you talking about? /mu/ has always been pleb, all the time.

Petzzold

Which composers make the best use of the brass section and why are they Honegger and Prokofiev?

>>70419755
>>70419829
>>70427583
>tfw magischmeisjeorkest will never come back

>>70432890
I really like Janacek's meme sinfonietta. Sometimes I'll listen to the fanfare on its own. And I guess the answer is Wagner.

>>70425208
>on a teabag by a senile old fuck who can't stop from grunting while playing it's not real classical
I only see hate for Glenn Gould here though.

>>70426438
Why does it matter? They can listen to whatever the hell they want. You're just making us look like retards.

>>70433049
Makes sense, since he's late 20th century. Everyone knows he's a genius, though.

>>70433093
It's funny when people think they're in any position to call someone else a pleb when they never even listen to real music.

>>70435855
What is real music?

>>70435862
Technical death metal, intelligent dance music, and Grimes.

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>>70431932
Agreed, young Zimmerman was easily a 9/10.

>>70427839
Algerich in his youth was an actual waifu. I mean, look at her, she's cute as hell.

>>70428148
His consideration about the music industry were right, and the same applies for his considerations on early jazz (and only that, since he stopped listening to it in the late '20s).
Everything he said about what pop music was going to become was right.

>>70430338
Berlioz is the most notable example.
That said most of the masterpieces in our repertoire were written by composers in their later years, after long periods of individual study.
Beethoven was kinda good in his 20s, but that's it. The studying that really helped him came in his late 20s. The same applies with Mozart, who was completely ignorant about counterpoint, and he started studying it only in his late '20s (and in fact most of his masterpieces came from this period, just remember that the first works that came out of this studying session were the Haydyn string quartets).
>>70435862
Music based on notes and dynamics, instead of lyrics and timbre. It may be a bit too arbitrary, since we have many exceptions to these rules, but when you look at the music scene in its entirety you will quickly spot the difference between actually crafted music and music built entirely on 4 guitar chords, no modulation and the song form.

>>70436031
>he stopped listening to it in the late '20s
What a dummy. Jazz actually starts getting interesting in the '40s.

>>70436267
He didn't know better, there was still no reason to think that from Jazz could have artists of the caliber of Coltrane, Mingus and Evans.

petzold

>>70437030
babby jesus

Classical music noob reporting in, can't even read a score.
How did Bach wrote successfully 4,5 and even 6 voices fugues? How much unison and dissonances are involved in those works?

hey you guys know theory too, right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXQY2dS1Srk

explain to me what inverting the motifs means in this case

Trying to remember a short, fast piano piece that ends really abruptly but satisfyingly. Pretty sure it's from the early-mid 20th century. Someone posted a youtube of it here once about a year ago. The video had the score included, and the uploader put an annotation at the end saying something like "YES!!!" (because they really liked the way it ended). Anyone know what this is?

>>70437719
What's the first contrapunctus in that video? I've never heard it.

>>70437842
No one here fucking know what that piece is. Just record a vocaroo and give us the tune. There are countless piano pieces who interupts abruptly, that's not enough informations.

>Pierre de la Rue's Absalon Fili Mi

Das it mane

>>70437918
I don't remember what it sounds like.

>>70437895
The Art of Fugue by JS Bach

Does /mu/ like hipster classical?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiTmjHD2asc

>>70438805
Cute.

>>70438805
How is that "hipster?"

new thread

>>70439359