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Whoops, probably should have checked the link for that sacred music documentary.

This one works:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgK5AWtJDfU&list=PLlgdVCmOigQ4zwT4Mtpzg1kK4LBYkCsUT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3M4Uzlm5YI

I dont think I've ever seen Akira Nishimura mentioned on /classical/ before

Petzold is underrated

Messiaen is actually shit

So is Scriabin part of the 3deep5you current of classical music? I am listening to his second symphony and I all hear is a fucked up mess that leads to nowhere, and he's supposed to have influence from Chopin? Top Fucking KEK.

>>70361918
Scriabin is an edgy Chopin wannabe

I'm sad that there isn't another classical album besides maybe a scarce few which come close to the beauty of the Martha Argerich Prokofiev / Ravel album.

Petzold

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hSoVLQ3SBc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnLy31-Z7E4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w433wbM14Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdDU4qwaI80
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oESzlizAafE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7jem-LgKgA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9MU1T6uDXA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_s22fNJdICQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNpxyjYPVUg

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>>70362273
You had to meme didn't you??

>>70362302
i'm not

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>>70362308
Get with the times granpa

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>>70360796

Sorry, but live music with instruments are not halal. Only singing and frame drums, please. NO polyphony!

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>>70360857

Thanks for this and the improved OP, OP!

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Can someone recommend me music that fits to this picture?

>>70363184

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHy9FOblt7Y

unironically

>>70361918
Scriabin symphonies in general are pretty awful except for the last two

and his Chopin influence shows most in his early stages in works for piano

Bumping with Boris Tschaikowsky (1925-1996)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8Q5SaEcuhs&t=370s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjmjwqeTNJA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KtaTRZmSk8&t=10s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlffMlQVYrs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIUr_jfcilY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOAQ4oRpU4I

What's the DEAL with medieval music?

Hindemith

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qu3uZ4Yurvc

>>70360796
does anyone have any good well tempered clavier recordings done live?

>>70365342
Sokolov
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNS1G10sy1o

>>70365458
thanks m8

>>70365525
The Richter live recording for contrast.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_ua7KzsXBU

>>70365342
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hu7F1QPwB-8

my favorite

>>70362226
>chopin

stop man

Would Beethoven have had access to the Mangekyō?

>>70363201
:|
It should be classical music that fits the atmosphere.

>>70366469
What do you like anon ?

TIL Wagner is banned in Israel.
Why are jews so salty?

>>70363184
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mmuNxYLxTs

ironically

>>70366893
this is changing atm, Barenboim conducted Tristan a few years ago and it were only few who wouldn't accept it

>>70366893
Wagner isn't banned, you won't get arrested for owning the ring on CD, there's just a general consensus to not play his entartete music.

based reicha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLjF8yrBlJA

>>70366893
What a meme. I guess they didn't ban Beethoven, Mozart, Bach who were actually the most popular in NG. Or other jew haters like Chopin.

>>70366671
I really like

Bernd Richard Deutsch
Vinko Globokar
Rudolf Kelterborn
Arthur Lourié
Ivan Wyschnegradsky
Olga Neuwirth
Enno Poppe
Robert M. Helmschrott
Dmitri Kourliandski
René Clemencic
Alfredo Aracil
Johann Sebastian Bach
etc.

>>70367736
how does one develop such edgy taste?

>>70367756
have a high IQ

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>>70367736
It's very jewish of you to include Bach among this degenerate music filth.

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>>70367736
>Dmitri Kourliandski
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UXP3707FLA

This general isn't for you.

>>70367843
>>>/pol/

>>70367855
aww too deep for you? :(

>>70367787
if that's the reason I'm not impressed anymore. Music has to come from the heart and be received by the heart

>>70366893
It was banned, it isn't no more though.
You can legally play Wagner in Israel, but you may still trigger a riot.

>>70367621
Mozart, Bach and Beethoven weren't anti-semitic in the slightest. Chopin made a few antisemitic remarks while talking about Jewish loaners, but that's it. It was literally something like ''Jews will be jews, what can I do about it?'' after having been scammed by a Jew.
It's somewhat ignorant, but I wouldn't call that actual anti-semitism.

Wagner, though, was an actual hardcore anti-semitic. Later in life he completely changed his mind and despised his earlier anti-semitic essays, but people never bring that out. Yeah, he was a piece of shit in his youth, but he turned out pretty progressive, especially considering that he was a pure-bred German intellectual bourgeoise in the XIX century Vienna.

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>>70367885
>Music has to come from the heart and be received by the heart

>>70367857
Entartete Musik please leave.

>>70367736
That's a lot of garbage

>Bach's French suites and Contrapunctus VI in French Style
>Rameau's keyboard works

Why is the French aesthetic so evidently superior?
I still feel that the best music was made by German people, but imho that achievent is achieved in spite of their national aesthetic. Mediocre french music sounds great, mediocre german music is instead untolerable.

>>70367887
He was pretty progressive in his youth though, that's when he was a socialist who associated with Bakunin and friends.

>>70367972
He supported anarchism as a far right individual. He was closer to our current notion of anarcho-capitalism than traditional anarchism.
He was extremely elitist, he held actual racist beliefs and he was obviously a narcissist. Not really a leftist, after all.

https://youtu.be/aPAiH9XhTHc

>>70368025

>He was extremely elitist, he held actual racist beliefs and he was obviously a narcissis
>implying these qualities disqualify you as a leftist

>>70367927
2deep4u

>that opening chorus

Sort of wish that HIP hadn't killed the massive romantic interpretations of Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKJoPFz9J2k

>>70368514
>Sort of wish that HIP hadn't killed the massive romantic interpretations of Bach

pleb

>>70368326
>>implying these qualities disqualify you as a leftist
Elitism literally disqualify you from being a leftist anarchist. Wagner wasn't an anarchist cause of some humanist belief, he was an anarchist because he thought he was too good of a composer to have to deal with the government. He didn't want freedom for his fellow man, he just wanted freedom for himself, since he was so sure of his superiority.
Also no, traditional left doesn't really hold any racial belief. You're probably thinking about intersectional feminism and things like affirmative action.

>>70368514
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SD0SPdpGsgI

>>70368574
go back to whipping yourself with gut strings whilst fellating a theorbo

>>70367736
I think I'v eheard of Globokar, Wyschnegradsky, Neuwirth, and Clemencic, but I wonder how many of them from just this general (maybe even you specifically)

Trying to remember a short, fast piano piece that ends really abruptly but satisfyingly. PRetty sure it's from the early-mid 20th century. Someone posted a youtube of it here once (probably a year ago). I don't think it was jazz but mabye it could have been. Anyone have an idea?

>>70370923
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZl6SH__CQU

>>70371019
Please don't just post random stuff.

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>>70371019
anime was a mistake

>>70368514
Holy fuck thats slow

>>70371053
that's what you asked for retard

>>70371543
>piano piece
>/classical/ thread
not him but you literally posted random shit.

>>70370923
Too vague to know, but try this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIEV59d8of8

>>70371593
That's not it. I also remember the youtube video had an annotation at the end that said something like "YES!!!" because the uploader really liked the ending. I'm pretty certain it was a score video like that one though

Is there any way to avoid mega's 5gb download limit without paying? Rather annoying when downloading 50gb of classical from the OP links when it stops every 1/10th of it for 5 hours

>>70371756
download soulseek and download individual recordings. There's everything there.

>>70371756
yeah get a job and buy the music yourself you degenerate freeloading faggot

>>70371791
He may be too poor to afford it, and you'll agree on me that music is ultimately a human right.

>>70371893
>music is ultimately a human right

???

>>70371756
Download with megadownloader.
Look it up on youtube.

>>70371944
Do you think that people don't have the right to listen to Beethoven if they're too poor to afford recordings of his music?
No performer thinks like that, it seems pretty ethical that if you can't afford art you are allowed to experience it through illecit means. The laws should be there to prevent people who can actually afford it from stealing it.

>>70371944
It's necessary to our survival. See: https://youtu.be/WbE5sfYhxIk?t=30

>>70372005
>rationalizing crime by using ideology

wew lad

>>70372140
oh no!! not Crime!!!!

>>70372005
rutracker you muppet

>>70372225
grand touring!

>>70372185
ya brah desu 5 year old pussy is a human right if you can't buy 5 year old pussy legally then you need to get it through human trafficking rings.

what a stupid line of reasoning

>>70372297
i'ts nice to know that you refuse to rape children because it's a crime and not out of basic empathy

>>70372324
were you also disappointed when you found out that business do what they do because of profit motive and not altruism?

>>70372362
lol wait, so you WOULD do it if it were legal?

>>70372412
what does that have to do with anything?

>>70372487
lol

would going through my old piano books and playing the treble part be good for learning to sight read on guitar? i'm trying to go through advancing guitarist and it's all in score, so it's taking me a long time to get through

>>70372362
>were you also disappointed when you found out that business do what they do because of profit motive and not altruism?
Classical music is not a business. It is managed by one, but most great composers are sincere.

>>70371706
>>70370923
Anyone else have an idea?

This is my favorite interpretation of Brahms Piano Quartet III op 60 in c minor andante. I downloaded a video version of it and uploaded it for you https://www.dropbox.com/s/lkqei0cxngjowkl/Brahms_%20Piano%20Quartet%20in%20C%20Minor%2C%20Op.m4v?dl=0

>>70372297

Should this be an argument?

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>>70372574
>Classical music is not a business
tell that to deutsche grammophon and sony and philips and naxos and harmonia mundi and ....

even ignoring the sale of recordings, the performers/interpreters don't work for free either

the composer themselves don't even work for free


it's a business all the way down

>>70372362
if businesses can break the law and get away with it then so can i nigger >:)

thread theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvvJ3KhUjJ8

>>70372597
the point is, if you start with the assumption that something is a "human right" it's extremely easy to justify doing anything to get it

>>70372634
you can technically report the op for illegal content if you want...

>>70367932
>Lully
>Rebel
>Marais
>Monsieur de Sainte-Colombe
>Forqueray
>Rameau

What made French music so great? And what happened to it? Did it peak after the Baroque?

>>70372634
Most composers would compose for free if enough money for paying rent and food was provided by the community. They have to partake in the business because it is literally the only way to have your pieces played and recorded. They join the big corporations or they go solo, either way they have to enter in the market.
Composers don't compose to be in the business, they compose in spite of it (especially considering that public's aesthetic tastes are predictable as fuck, and there's no limit on how much you can dumb down your music).

>>70372663
we don't start with that as an assumption, we argue for it from first principles

>>70372695
?

French music is awful. I'd almost always prefer popular music to french classical

>>70372663
>the point is, if you start with the assumption that something is a "human right" it's extremely easy to justify doing anything to get it
Saying that art is a human right doesn't mean that you can rape 5 year old kids. That's something you're saying, without backing up without any argument.

>>70372663
not him, but i don't know how you managed to make such a shitty argument. you just wanted to do something with a lot of shock value so you brought up raping children, when that has no relevance to free music. free music doesn't hurt someone like raping a child would hurt that child. i genuinely assumed you were being completely retarded and then i went back up the reply chain and was boggled that i agree with the point you were trying to argue, but every single argument you used to argue it was dog shit and full of nonsequiteurs

>>70372716
yeah whatever

stealing is a crime, if you want music you should pay for it

simple

>>70372695
I'm pretty sure Debussy and Ravel are the best French composers

>>70372732
ohlookitsthisfaggotagain.jpg

>>70372736
music being a human right is literally something you pulled out of your ass, just like raping 5 year olds

a business product is a human right? are you light in the head?

>>70372663
>>70372750
also, i just realized you're probably a stephen molyneux fan because molyneux uses vaginas as an argument for property rights, but you didn't even present all the parts of the argument, you just skipped straight to the end so you sound like a raving lunatic

>>70372695
Imho the Classical period German artists were just too good. France has a beautiful tradition of classical and romantic music, but it had no chance against geniuses of the caliber of Beethoven.
It's like being an excellent mathematician while Gauss is around. Conoisseurs will eventually get to know you, but there's no way you will ever compete with the true geniuses.

>>70372784
it's explained in this video, retard: >>70372028

all lolbertarians should be sent to the gulag

>>70372750
what are you talking about? replace raping children with whatever you want, the original argument is so bad you can put anything as a placeholder and it's still just as stupid

>>70372784
Therefore poor people shouldn't be able to ever listen to Beethoven's music. Does that sound ethical to you?
It would sound ethical to me if we lived in a perfectly just society, but we don't and lack of money is almost never a product of laziness and ill intentions.
Should victims of an unjust system be precluded from the most beautiful compositions in human history only because you can't see the difference between art appreciation and raping children?

>>70372807
please don't post if you don't have anything to contribute. thanks.

>>70372840
in your mind i'm sure your argument was compelling, but you should stick to letting sophists do the debating for you since you don't have a knack for it

>>70372784
>le freemarket
Fucking neoliberals. Not even hardcore conservatives are so soulless.

>>70372874
I have yet to make any kind of argument so you're still talking about nothing lad

>>70372905
>I have yet to make any kind of argument
i completely agree

>>70372905
Then fucking do it jesus christ

>>70372941
>>70372919
fyi you have to be 18 to post here

>>70372954
then maybe i should report you

I was just pretending to be retarded guys haha

>>70372978
>trying to save face after embarrassing yourself

sad!

>tfw not even /classical/ is enlightened enough to know that stealing art is ok as long as you're too poor to afford it

>>70372732
you might be retarded then

>>70372761
rec me some debussy and ravel?

>>70372794
good point

>left-leaning classitards ruin another thread

what a surprise

>>70373019
Debussy's most accessible work is the Suite Bergamasque. You may already know Claire de Lune, but the Menuet and the Passepied are some of the catchiest Debussy's tunes.

For Ravel start with piano works. The G Major Concerto is easy to appreciate. Give a try also with Menuet Antique, Gaspard de La Nuit, Jeau D'eaux and the Left Hand Concerto.

>>70373019
>needs recommendations for two of the most popular composers

kek, first day?

>>70373030
yeah it's totally not this whiny faggot who did that >>70371791

>>70373087
you're still here? oh right, not like you have a job or a life or any friends for that matter

>>70373030
Making classical music public is a conservative idea too. Virtually all our pre-mid 1800 repertoire has been financed by state institutions, and in many countries (especially Italy and Germany) music was a central point of society, and a way to instill national pride in citizens.
Saying that classical music shouldn't be public because of yadda yadda business is clearly neoliberal shit, that doesn't account in the slightest what the mercification of music results in. Look at the top 40 and at the music people are listening and you will quickly find out that applying the business model to music is a fucking stupid idea.

>>70373126
Actually, I just got back from the gym.

>>70360796
None of these feature Rautavaara :(

>>70373138
crypto-adornian spotted

>>70373145
yeah and you're 6'4" ripped with a 200 IQ too, right?

>>70373187
Rautavaara is good, but he's not that good. He doesn't really deserve a spot on the /classical/ OP pasta.

>>70373194
300k starting any job i want

>>70373208
i'm actually triggered by this

>diagnosed with rhabdomyosarcoma


music?

>>70373319
:(

>>70372695
quick guesses:
-secularism
-excessive patronage by noble class
-highly developed lute and troubadour tradition dating back to arab invasions

>>70372028
I've seen this video a few times now, but have no idea who he is. What music specifically is he referencing?

>>70373711
Music in general.

>>70373816
did you watch the video? he's obviously specifically talking about "contemporary music", it's even in the title. I just don't know what that refers to. one of his points was how you should be focused primarily on the "music of your time" and not hundreds of year ago, which is kind of a dumb argument but I'm still curious to know what he means

>>70373816
music in general may be a human right, but you can make your own if you want it so badly. or rely on the generosity of musicians who feel inclined to give their music out for free. when i make a song and don't share it with you, you don't come to harm from it. i can make a million songs and you won't even know, you won't feel a thing

>>70373911
Likely 20th century atonal and serial music.

Anything from Schoenberg to Grisey to Ferneyhough to Haas. All that "difficult" music that doesn't have recognizable melodies and diatonic harmony and clear forms.

>>70373970
Composers can't openly share it because it is their only source of income, but I'm pretty sure they would be happy to share their music with you if they knew you didn't have the means to afford it.

>>70373911
He's talking about contemporary music. Obviously the focus is on art music and/or concert music. He's a composer.

>>70373970
That's not what he's talking about in the video, Otis. You don't have to bring this retarded argument back.

>>70374008
how can you not afford music? everyone is born with a musical instrument, and you have hands and can clap out a tune. it's free, it's just some people make music better than you can make and charge for it. also, you can make the exact music they make free of charge, get yourself and some buddies together and sing. you may just stumble upon what a popular composer made. there's nothing keeping you from doing it

>>70374005
He specifically mentions neo-romanticism in the video IE he's including tonal music

>>70374063
>how can you not afford music?
by not being able to pay a composer their fee
by not being able to afford a concert ticket
He's obviously meaning in relation to a composers income.

>>70374063
I buy music because I can. I know lots of people in STEM that won't be able to freely buy music for at least a decade cause of shitty national policies and crippling debt. Shouldn't they be able to listen to Bach to enlighten, deepen and soothe yourself? Do you really think that everyone should learn how to play both the Art of Fugue and the Violin partitas if they were too poor to buy multiple recordings of that music?
Business in music doesn't work, all it does is to produce copious amount of forgettable, mindless music, while hiding the real talents. If you want to blame someone don't blame people to poor to buy it, instead blame your government.

>>70361918
The only orchestral works of his to pay attention to are the concerto, poem of ecstacy and prometheus

all of which are outstanding

>>70367736

i too enjoy finiding obscure artists off youtube and then listing them off

only ones there worth mentioning are lourie and wyschnegradsky

mosolov, roslavets, mariotte, rudhyar and casella are all you need

>>70372028
that guy has hte best youtube channel ever t b h

>>70372761
youre forgetting emmanuel, schmitt, ferroud, and koechlin

>>70373019
ravels finest works are his gaspard de la nuit and miroirs (all his piano works are fantastic though, look for Bavouzet's recording). orchestral works to check out would be his concertos and daphnis et chloe

Debussy's Estampes, Images and preludes are all worth a look (bavouzet again). for orchestral works check out prelude a lapres midi dun faune, nocturnes, images, la mer, jeux

>>70373711
his channel focuses on contemporary works from the latter half of the 20th/into 21st century. all about trying to help people appreciate more modern music

>>70374151
>>70374138
let's take a look at the core of your argument. the core of your argument is that if people suffer from lacking something, they deserve that thing. correct? because that line of reasoning has blood on its hands, just fyi

>>70374327
So your opinion is that art should be available according to markets (wich, according to your belief, can be either faulty or perfect), wich means that poor people are not supposed to experience art.
Is this the world you want to live in? Can't you see the difference between downloading a Arturo Michelangeli recording because you're too poor to buy it and raping a 5 years old child?
If you don't please, expand on your thesis.

>>70374283
Most of the music he talks about is from the early 20th century and I don't think any of it's fromt he 21st, but yeah, his channel is great

>>70374388
my opinion is that if person A makes a song and decides he will only let people who pay for him hear it, that's his right, because the song is his. the alternative leads to communism and all other unpleasant things

>>70374327
two different people you're quoting there.

I just suggested that it is possible to be too poor to pay a composers wages by commissions or buying a concert ticket. You guys seem to be arguing about inconsequential stuff and I'm going to do more constructive things with my time

>>70374420
You're still dealing with absolutes. On one side there are composers that are completely bent on th market and that are unwilling to share their music with the poor (wich is not a common position), on the other side there is pure communism.
What about the middle ground I'm proposing? Who is able to afford the recordings should buy them, who isn't should still listen to them, and eventually buy his favourite ones.
In this scenario not only composers don't lose money (since poor people weren't going to blindly buy contemporary music in the first place), but they also manage to get known by more people (inb4 exposure is worthless).

>>70374523
>>70374420
oh my god this argument is ancient fuck off

>>70374523
>What about the middle ground I'm proposing? Who is able to afford the recordings should buy them, who isn't should still listen to them, and eventually buy his favourite ones.
why would that middle ground not applied to literally everything then? if you think that ok, that's the fullest incarnation of socialism, so go look up one of a million arguments that have been made against socialism. what you're proposing isn't a non-controversial thing at all, it actually has deep implications

>>70374665
>go look up an argument
>IE i don't have one because i don't actually understand the issue
stop flooding the thread with this shitty argument faggot

>>70374757
you want me to copy and paste this whole thing? because i will
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticisms_of_socialism

>>70374799
oh yeah?? well how about THIS!!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_capitalism

>>70374893
at least now i hope you see what your desire for music to be free boils down to. i'm not the original child rape guy btw

classical needs more little boys

singers, that is

boy soprano >>>>>>>>> woman soprano

>>70374959
There are plenty. The reason adult females are more popular than children is because they're generally more skilled, for obvious reasons.

Sanz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzOKhS6vrJM

>>70375000
Dubs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lapculOfR0

Most art museums have a 'suggested donation' that you can choose to pay to get in, but if you haven't got the spare cash you can still go in for free.

Having a wealth of classical music easily accessible on youtube is a great benefit to society, as it allows everyone's lives to be enriched by the music. It doesn't have anything to do with politics or economics, it is simply people who love music and art wanting other people to be able to enjoy it too.

>>70375395
go ask some classical composers if they can put their music on youtube for the masses to enjoy then. oh wait, that's already the case, so why are you talking about it

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Let's talk about Mozart again. Is he correctly rated?

>>70375554
there was an argument going on about whether access to music should be free or not, and they were comparing free music to government handouts (i.e. socialism/communism vs capitalism).

>>70375593
Yes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhrbsQ7pnq0

been playing guitar for 2 years, just starting on position playing and reading score and this is what i'm reduced to
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0llFez0COI0

>>70375624
if the state is mandating music be free and producers of music are not allowed to prohibit people from listening to their music without paying, then that's pretty communistic. but no one would be argue for that because it's ridiculous

>>70375799
I don't think governments will ever have to make laws like that, because wealthy patrons have always realized the importance of making art accessible and fund music halls, orchestras, composers, etc.

I bet every poster in this thread has listened to music for free on youtube, so to say that you should have to pay for music is pretty hypocritical if you are a music lover who understands how beautiful and enriching it can be to listen to Bach or whoever your favorite composer is.

It's not a communist idea, because access to art and access to food and housing are totally different animals

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Schoenberg timeline

>1874
Is born in Vienna - a Jew
>1899
Writes a piece about getting cucked - becomes famous
>1918
Proceeds to politicize music writing among composers - attacks traditional harmonic values
>1934
Moves to "the free world" - music is finally suffocated to death
>1945
Hitler is taken down by Zion
>1951
Schoenberg dies - a Jew - due to fear of the coming of the number 13

Why is this cancer allowed?

>>70377081

>Is born in Vienna - a Jew
>Why is this cancer allowed?

It shouldn't be.

>>70363184
Bach

Official Top 5 best living conductors

1. Peter Eotvos
2. Michael Tilson Thomas
3. Ivan Fischer
4. Jesus López-Cobos
5. Arturo Tamayo

You guys find any good recordings recently?

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>>70378457

>>70378279
Currentzis Cambreling Skrowaczewski Bychkov Gardiner

>>70378279
>Tilson Thomas
>no Vanskaa

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>music

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Name one (1) good composer from Sweden.

>>70379172
Grieg