/classical/

hey you guys know theory too, right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXQY2dS1Srk [Embed]

explain to me what inverting the motifs means in this case

best gould for me are his recordings of bachs keyboard concertos.

for goldberg var. however i choose weissenberg.

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We've been over this

>>70439506
his schubert is terribly slow.

>>70439537
Which "Schubert" is terribly slow.

i wanna eat goulds ass

>>70439565
d.960 for one. with richter it almost comes to a standstill at times. it's not for me!

>>70439640
he obviously took after Yudina in that sonata

>>70439640
His D. 960 is the greatest performance of all time

>>70439676
no, that's Sofronitsky

Richter would agree

>>70439676
gimme kempff.

How do I train myself to be able to identify the them in the Goldberg Variations?

>>70439830
if you can't whistle along, you're fucked.

>>70439863
well shit
isn't there a video or a text I can read that helps?

>>70440068
how can you possibly not identify the main theme in the aria da capo?

>>70440111
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbM_UQ4LquY

>>70440128
meant for >>70440068

>>70439359
>Glenn Gould Is The Hottest Pianist
Is this a joke about the fact that he always felt cold and would perform with the heat on and wear jackets during summer?

>>70440111
Isn't the bassline I should pay attention to?

>>70440191
Uh... yeah. THat's definitely a thing I knew about him when I made the thread. It's a clever joke.

>>70440192
with bach, pay attention to everything.

>>70440192
Wait for the sick bassdrop.
Also >>70440302

>>70439830
Do you remember them? Do you always know what comes next when you're listening to them?

If you can't even clearly remember them there is no point in trying to analyze them and find patterns, unless you have a very good foundation on music theory and ear training.
Listen to them, memorize them and then come back.

>tfw i just discovered La Demoiselle élue
Lads it's magical. Might just br Debussy's best.

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Petzold

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hSoVLQ3SBc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnLy31-Z7E4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w433wbM14Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdDU4qwaI80
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oESzlizAafE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7jem-LgKgA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9MU1T6uDXA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_s22fNJdICQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an77qFp0Y9Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BSfYz4_Gbg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJsDvXd2V0E&t

Why does Rameau sounds so good on piano?

>>70440911
is that his entire discography? why don't you post different stuff

>>70437842
>>70437842
>>70437842

>>70441311
FUCK
OFF
We've already told you to give hum the theme on vocaroo, or at least give more informations about it. You're indications are fucking meaningless, ffs

>>70441344
You said that. But what I said is literally eveyrthing I remember about it. I was pretty specific about the content of the youtube video at least.

>>70441004
yes

Hi /classical/, does any of you recognize this solo piano piece? I just heard it in the 1980 documentary Poto and Cabengo.
>https://clyp.it/xeldkiuc

>>70439864
cute

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JE49QHcqEpk

https://clyp.it/0r1rebr2

rate and subscribe (it's just a work in progress, it lasts only 1 minute)
also those violins are just placeholders

Does anyone know where i could find an original Rossini's The Storm piece? All the ones on youtube sound too hyperactive and lack the power of the original one. I don't remember where I first heard it, I might be wrong, but this sounds a little too fast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKrz1pl9oPw

Here, listen to some Black Sabbath.
You've been keeping up the facade of superiority long enough, you can indulge, I grant it unto you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8l7ErLb-qM

>>70443873
Damn, at least post a good band

>>70443873
>facade
sorry to break it to you but we legit love classical.

Sabbath are shit

>>70443873
Is metal the classical music of the 20th/21th century?

>>70444031
Basically. Technical death metal is the closest thing to classical that exists today.

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>>70444066
wrong.

>>70444085
True. I actually meant to say intelligent dance music.

>>70444066
what about modern classical?

>>70444031
Metal was invented by a classical composer in 1912.

He coined dissonant chugging, technical polyrhythms and syncopations

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiH3vA7q0jo

Metal didn't get to close this level of complexity until late 90s, and even then didn't really make it. Stravinsky also utilizes dynamics and timbres much more effectively than any metal band ever has.

If you hear this piece in concert, its louder than any metal band. Pretty impressive considering there's no amplification.

>>70444066
>Technical death metal is the closest thing to classical that exists today.
*Contemporary classical

Death metal tends to use one scale (harmonic minor or some other minor scale) and never really gets complex when it comes to polyphony. Death metal is a using a tiny portion of 19th century classical techniques, and drenching them in distortion to try to sound "heavy".

>>70444281
>>70444314
I thought they stopped making that.

Is flamenco guitar /classical/?

>>70444331
No, only Ghibli >>70443263

>>70444314
kill yourself

>>70444386
t. metalfag

>>70444327
Art music always exists alongside popular music. Plebs just dont know about it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_in_classical_music

>>70444394
>implying i enjoy that horseshit

>>70444406
Apparently the main genres of music are country, classical, heavy metal, hip-hop, opera, and Latin. Good to know.

>>70444406
I wonder if anyone listened to all of the things listed there.

>>70444476
Thats not even all of them. I know a few new pieces and albums that aren't listed there

>>70444476

i did

>>70444444
>/classical/ missed the get again
i miss the rachget days

>>70444562
You can add them.

>>70444564
Then what are your thoughts on Ghyll by Mark David Boden?

>>70443663
no one?

>>70444566
/classical/ is serious business now

>>70439830
>>70440068
If you can't identify it then you're probably tone deaf.

>>70441390
You don't even remember the tune? Then why would you care?

>>70444327
Most Classical these days is done in a Minimalist style.

>>70445365
I recall enjoying it.

>>70445450
I thought it was all microtonal spectralist serialism.

>>70444566
This isn't /b/.

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>>70445555
did you do that on purpose?

>>70443263
Download link for this?

>>70445731
I'm sure there's a plugin/app that lets you just download it from youtube.

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>>70439359
>>70439506

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEi2C2-5G14

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>>70445555
Nice get

This channel was associated with Cicada 3301 at some point.

This is the most recent piece they posted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah87d7fR5NU

Rate it.

>>70446615
Sounds like a video game soundtrack.

>>70447100

Post your shitty tracks here.

>>70447590
>/comp/
i thought it was a myth

What are your musical anxieties, /classical/?

>>70447699
hearing an equal tempered major third over a justly intonated major third...why do we still mix pianos and string orchestras for the love of FIFTEEN WHOLE CENTS...ughhh

>>70447699
That hard work and pure dedication won't be enough.

>>70447958
What's your goal?

>>70447997
To become a truly great composer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p12ILpVZ_HY
I really like this one, it's very interesting how he detaches the eighths and connects the fourths when it would be more intuitive to do the opposite and follow the trend in most of Bach's pieces.

>>70448074
Yeah, I'd probably come up with a plan B.

>>70439411
his wtk is god tier imo.

Glenn Gould's Bach interpretations are technically good, but he doesn't play the repeats, therefore they're worthless.
What a waste.

>>70444031
no.

>>70448743
Thanks for clearing that up. I wasn't too sure on the matter.

>>70448654
just skip around the recordings yourself

where do i start with pierre boulez's pieces?

>>70448921
He never stop at the repeats, so you can't even cut it yourself.

>>70448654
>he doesn't play the repeats, therefore they're worthless
why? repeats in some pieces can be seen as optional, but why does that make his interpretations worthless regardless?

>>70449042
because of anon's aspergers

Sir Neville Mariner or Raymond Leppard for Brandenburg Concertos? Or maybe another option?

>>70449261
Anthony Halstead

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How accurate is this list?

https://rateyourmusic.com/list/alimal/a-guide-to-mahler

>>70449903
It's from RYM so it's bad.

>>70448949
Repons

>>70449903
there's no terrible performances on that list but i don't see any particularly great ones either

honestly it doesn't matter that much though, since it seems like the kind of list you use to get into a composer, and you don't need to get autistic about interpretations at that stage

>>70450926
They're all amazing performances imo

>>70448949
the orchestrated versions of Notations or his Rituel as both are pretty accessible and quite good

>>70449969
have you heard the 17 minute version of Repons? apparently a lot of people prefer it over the final revision

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Who has the best requiem and why is it Faure?

>>70451436
Because it respects the solemnity of the liturgical services.

>>70439537
Complaining about the tempo is the McDonald's of music criticism.

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I don't even know if this is classical or just generic soundtrack music but does anyone recognize it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY392wxb2Wk

>>70451436
Victoria, Dvorak, Berlioz, Bottesini, Donizetti, Kozlovsky, are all good

>>70439359
>tfw no one ever told me about Schullhoff.
This is great. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_AYR1hkI5Q

>>70451436
Morales tho.

Victoria too

>>70451436
>not Brahms

>>70451436
Ligeti

>>70445453
You'll eventually come across it. Even without remembering what it sounds like.
I recently rediscovered a piece I enjoyed listening to 15 years ago but forgot what it sounded like.

any other dissonant, off kilter shit like scriabin's sonata no. 5? asking for a friend.

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sup, guys

i was hearing chopin's the nocturne and i simply loved that song

gotta love classical

can you rec more like that?

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>>70456076

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Bumping with various interpretations of Beethovens Piano Sonata op. 10 No. 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BftJ2MVQLAk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4NVOxTyp0M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAQPqTVrDYM

>>70449903
>RYM
Please don't link that atrocious website.

>>70456076
Fuck off, cuck.

Is Rameau's Le Boreades his best opera?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V8O8W30sH4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hueIEN_UIJw

>>70444314
I'll take the bait.

I have seen Stravinsky's rite of spring before by three different orchestra's, it does NOT in any way sound louder than any metal band i've ever seen. Pure in decibels, it's just not as loud. But, as i suspect you might try nitpicking and say "yeah but it's more overwhelming", just no. It's not true. It is overwhelming and loud, but by claiming it's louder you're literally a "hurr powerlevels'' - retard.

You simply cannot claim metal was invented by classical composer's without sounding like a total elitist cunt. Maybe they first used some techniques, but the development of metal was not in anyway connected to them.

Don't be cunt, overcome your need to be "muh best/ most complex/ most original" and be a chill classical guy

>>70451436
Dvorak.

And Preisner because fuck you i like it.

>>70439376
exactly what it menas are you retarded lh2counterpoint

Where do I start with Prokofiev? I fucking loved this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyDKezDLGTM

Bumping with Weissenberg.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7k2vQgC_hbc&list=PLD9EEA6827C3A4DB0&index=262

>>70460388
piano concertos.

>>70445731
https://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/4636913825/ref=pe_190752_224778972_em_r_im

>>70462169

don't let it die again

>>70442245
Any1? Would really love to know this composer.

>>70462187
Sounds like Bach. It is for sure a Baroque composer, given what she's playing and the technique she's using.

>>70442245
>>70462187
>https://clyp.it/xeldkiuc
I recognize it. Give me a minute.

>>70460044
Agreed. I'm glad Stravinsky didn't invent metal because metal is shit./

>>70462187
It's Mozart.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ki1EQHuE6I
You're welcome.

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WASSUP BITCHES

Who was the best piano composer?

http://www.strawpoll.me/12147000

http://www.strawpoll.me/12147000

http://www.strawpoll.me/12147000

>>70463042
Come on, you know that everyone is going to vote for Beethoven.
http://www.strawpoll.me/12147034
Here's a bettere one.

>>70463114
Mozart Piano Concerti>All of Beethoven

>>70463226
>piano concertos
Those are not piano compositions, those are compositions with a piano in it.
Mozart's piano sonatas are good, but not that good when compared to the rest of his repertoire, or Beethoven's sonatas.

>>70463226
I really wanted to vote for Mozart because of his concerti, but I just can't help loving Beethoven's sonate even more

>>70463261
K.310 is better than any Beethoven sonata IMO. I know that i am objectively wrong, but that sonata just sweeps me away every time.

>>70463261
Solo piano wasn't specified. It's assumed that all music involving piano is encompassed in "piano music"

>>70463278
>K.310
Of course you used that sonata as an example.

>>70463278
How can sonata compare to any of the Late Beethoven Sonatas? Have you ever heard the Sonata 29 and 32? Do you really think that they're in the same league with K310?

>>70463295
Why wouldn't i? It's his best after all

beethoven bores me to tears. i prefer mozart for k.332 & 545 alone. absolute masterpieces.

my favorite solo piano composer is schumann though.

>>70463498
disgusting philistine

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>>70463042
>a cuck
>one of the manliest composers ever
>an effeminate shit eating faggot

We all know who's gonna win

>>70463618
>>a cuck
>>one of the manliest composers ever

mozart actually had a wife and was banging her all the time. beethoven was a bachelor.

>>70463618
>Thoven
>not beta as fuck

>>70463657
he had a dumb peasant wife and was actually extremelly prude.
Beethoven instead had occasional sex often, and never settled out because he wanted to marry into aristocracy.
Also Mozart was a pussy who had to compose music for dumb aristocrats, Beethoven instead has always been sincere in his compositions.

Hello, /classical/, just loooking for opinions, what is the closest genre to classical music nowadays?

>>70463766
Technical death metal.

>>70463766
None.

>>70463786
It lacks the sophistication costantly expressed by classical music.

>>70463657
>confusing cuckpin and shitzart

I guess its easy since their mediocrity is often intertwined

>>70463766
Genre music is never as good as classical music.

>>70462886
thanks kind anon

beethoven never had a fraction of the talent that mozart had, it's as simple as that. mozart was a wonder of nature, beethoven had to work so hard to come up with anything worthwhile. it's simply no question who was the better composer.

>>70463921
Yeah, Beethoven, for precisely that reason.

>>70453904
check his string quartets out. reminds me of a german stravinsky/bartok

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWerj8FcprM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGNObWgU2Qw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nyx99YcHdIQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUmq1cpcglQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmCnQDUSO4I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2GKgFZ_ioQ|

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm8kpZoX32k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYAJopwEYv8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCEDfZgDPS8

Whats your honest opinion on russian classics?

>>70463766
Is it a new meme to ask this three times per thread?

>>70463042
FPTMIU

>>70463042
nice trips

>>70463618
Mozart wasn't a cuck. It is more correct to call him an autist.

>>70442245
It's me, I found a credit for Glenn Gould somewhere online so I'm pretty sure it's this version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3d07r_E_8Pc

music "theory" is a hack

>>70465035
That doesn't even make sense.

>>70465052
yeah it does

>music "theory" is a cheat code

there, you weeb neckbeard gamergirl-- did that serve to make my original post clearer?

>>70465104
No.

>>70464231
>An effeminate shit eating faggot

Chopin and Gesualdo are OG cucks of classical

>>70465122
t. beyond help

>>70465161
Quit being a spastic.

>>70465175
don't reply to my posts anymore, simpleton

thanks in advance

>>70465210
I will if you never post in this thread again.

>>70465268
t. no impulse control whatsoever

>>70465295
Projecting much?

>>70465307
t. projector projecting projection

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZCpdY6qIzA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfuBfOzUOWQ

>>70464037
The Five, Scriabin, the futurists, Tchaikovsky and Stravinsky are essential Ruskies

>>70463921
>Mozart

>was given everything
>never had to struggle
>wrote shitty pop music for bourgeois idiots >liked being shit on

>Beethoven,

>overcame obstacles,
>wrote uncompromising music
>never gave into bourgeois hacks
>worked hard for to create his masterpieces >didn't liked being shit on

lads

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ey5GItze-BY

>>70465839
technology was a mistake

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>>70465839

>>70465795
>Mozart
>given everything
>never had to struggle
Which Mozart are you talking about?

>>70466211
The one from that movie

>>70466345
It's not even a very good movie.

>>70466211
>>70466345
>>70466438
Get out CLTallis

>>70465921
technology should have predated music theory

at least this way they would have gotten it right

>>70465921
Bach was a mistake

>>70466438
It is based on a Pushkin tragedy. Since its subject is not historically accurate I don't think that it should be ascribed as a fault of the movie itself.
It is a decent movie.

>>70466450
You will quickly find out that as soon as you get complex with technology it will just sound like overproduced gibberish.

>>70466479
I don't care about historical accuracy. It's just silly and cartoonish.

>>70466479
>it will just sound like overproduced gibberish
what makes you say that?

>>70466510
Have you read the Pushkin tragedy? Because if you think that that tragedy is silly and cartoonish then you can't really blame that director for taking that route.
Considering that the subject is not his you should direct your criticism to the main source.
>>70466528
Have you ever heard anything as complex as a Bach 4 part fugues that sounded good on synths? I never have.
I may be wrong, but after 20 years of observation I'm fairly certain that the only way to go on that path is with classical instruments.

https://clyp.it/mvjgrecn
Any opinion on this? I've trashed the intro and expanded the piano part.

>>70466582
so supposing combining synthesizers with bach 4 part fugues is bad, couldn't it just as easily be that the back 4 part fugues are the actual culprit?

>>70466582
I'm actually talking about the acting, cinematography and mise-en-scene

>>70466634
You would have to base that assumption on a pretty radical aesthetical foundation, wich is that good music, in order to be good, has to sound good on every instrument.

>>70466651
The acting is very close to what you would read and see in that tragedy, had you seen it in a theater. The setting was realistic enough, I don't really know what you could say about it.
About the cinematography, eh. It was meant as a blockbuster, so of course we're not really talking about a real masterpice.
Yet, I think that it often gets unfair criticism for his lack of historical accuracy and for the stereotypization of the main characters, wich were already present in the original script.

>>70465839
It gets kind of cool 28 seconds in.

>>70466736
1) suppose i established that foundational claim but we got the same bad result. perhaps then the issue really does lie in that bach 4 part fugue is not very good.

2) suppose the bach 4 part fugue sounds bad on synthesizer, but great on an advanced synthesizer. therefore, this invalidates your claim that more technology is worse.

>>70466912
I hate to argument with absolutes, therefore I place the burden of proof on you.
I have heard enough music over the span of 2 decades, and at this point I'm sure of the inherent aesthetical inferiority of synths.

If you have heard music as complex as Bach's and Beethoven's music on synths, then link it. I'd rather be wrong, but I doubt that you will change my mind. I'm pretty sure that what you will link to me will be maybe complex, but it will be completely lacking in sophistation, elegance and emotional range.

>>70463916
Since you enjoy that theme I highly suggest listening to Schuberts Impromptu, sonatas and moment musicaux. He writes in a very similar pattern.

>>70466986
it was your absolute to begin with
>You would have to base that assumption on a pretty radical aesthetical foundation, wich is that good music, in order to be good, has to sound good on every instrument.

suppose i have a song that sounds good on not only synthesizer but also on nearly every acoustic instrument except for the piano. by your logic, this is not because of the inferiority of the music, but by the inferiority of the instrument.

>sophistication
>elegance
>emotional range
feel free to formalize these concepts anytime

Daily reminder that ywn have a girlfriend as amazing as Papagena.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNuM9Z4MEQw

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Would you wrestle Hilary?

>>70467151
Your arguments fall down when you actually state what music sounds best on synths and shit on natural instruments. You would basically discard the western classical repertoire in its entirety for EDM and guitar music.

>>70439359
Can you fucking idiots stay in your containment thread? Just don't post in other threads insulting people's tastes. Jesus fucking Christ I hate you all.

>muh pleb/patrician ideology

Fucking autists.

>>70463022
gay

>>70467463
That's not us. It's probably some guy false flagging. I rarely post on /mu/ outside this thread.

>>70467463
LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE ANOTHER PLEBEIAN HERE GUYS

FUCKING PLEABEIAAAAAAAAAAAANS

>>70467458
>EDM and guitar music
my arguments won't fall down because i'm not going to spoon feed you any concrete examples. you can strawman away all you like, it's just shows your bad form

>>70466736
>wich is that good music, in order to be good, has to sound good on every instrument
music is independent of instruments

music is the 'what', instruments is the 'how'

>>70467463
Lol at this insecure autist mad that people don't like his shitty music

>>70467458
>EDM

Classical was responsible for all forms of electronic music

>Guitar music

Spanish classical music senpai

>>70462176
tfw i missed the comp thread

>>70466617
It sounds great, but you transition into new sections way too often. I mean, it lasts 2 minutes and I've counted 8 different sections with 8 different themes. You should stop writing new material and start polishing what you've already got. i could easily polish those 2 minutes of material into a 3 movement symphony.

>>70467656
then why is some music more suited for some instruments over others?
checkmate fag

>>70467656
>timbre doesn't matter
it's like the 20th century never happened

>>70469356
music doesnt wear clothes therefore thats a subjective notion

stop playing waifu dress up games and instead study music theory

Wanna get into classical. Can someone recommend some spooky violin?

>>70469409
Music based solely on timbe is usually somewhat uninteresting. That ship has sailed, there is no more novelty in timbre research, we've already heard it all.
At this point we're extremely far in time from any musical revolution whatsoever, we may as well look at our music history and clearly state what has worked and what hasn't worked so far.

>>70470384
I'll bet they thought the exact same thing 200 years ago.

>>70470361
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7rxl5KsPjs

>>70470421
200 years ago 13 years old could not go on FL Studio and easily find new timbres.

>>70470495
And yet they still managed to discover the most beautiful sounds possible.

Oh synths... infinite timbral possibilities, all of them, when materialized, are shit.

>>70470449
Thanks for spoonfeeding me man. If I really like this, what should I google to find some more?

>>70470527
They didn't ''just'' come up with flutes, when you look at individual instruments you can see an history of engineering that span for thousands of years.

>>70470592
The most important developments happened in a few hundred, honestly

>>70470659

All of our history are, in a way or another, based on instruments that are thousands years old. A piano is essentially a glorified harp.

>>70470727
*all of our discoveries in recent history (apart from synths)

Pianoteq vs Steinway https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2l4aAFD-moY

>>70470592
and yet syntehsizers perfected in just 60 years

maybe music theory should finally embrace synthesizer and start moving forward again instead of being perpetually stuck in the past

>>70470844
Developing new sounds on synths is infinitely easier than developing a new kind of violing, I don't see why you're comparing the 2.
Any 13 years old can come out with a new 3 minutes trap track who doesn't sound like anything else in the world, developing for example our current violin instead kept busy some of the smartest engineers of the last millenium.
Regardless, my starting point was that synths have shown incapabilities in supporting complex musical structures while mantaining the sophistication, elegance and trascendence of traditional instruments (not only the western ones).
A symphony sounds good only as long as you don't put an electric guitar into it.

>>70470952
https://youtu.be/PFh7LAFel4w?t=234

>>70471032
I've already heard it, it's terrible.

>>70439376
it means just what it means, by describing it you get the whole meaning

>>70439813
schnabel

>>70440068
how about the actual sheets

>>70471032
what are you trying to show with this music
the awful distorted timbre of the guitar just fucks the sound

>>70468395
thanks, I'll keep it in mind.
any other opinion?
https://clyp.it/mvjgrecn

Beethoven

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFMRbABLMQo

>>70470844
>Perfected

>vibrating conical rubber vs resonating wood/string

lmao once they master the 3 dimentional aspect of timbre, post again so i can laugh at your jagged waves

>>70470786
Both sound good. Concert pianists are anal retentive about the voicing of every unique piano, though, and like to have the hammers adjusted.

>>70470449
>>70470563

I can't really explain this but ill try. The thing I really like about that sonata and this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqODySSxYpc Is the intensity and the feeling of dread I get while listening to it. Anyone got more stuff like it?

>>70472294
perhaps cuck porn

>>70472294
yeah I get that same feeling whenever I listen to Schoenberg

>>70472318
That's not a kind of music.

>>70439768
>no, that's Sofronitsky
+1

where can I get a PDF of Penguin or Gramophone guides?

I looked on libgen and piratebay but the only good reference works I found are the Rough Guide and DK Eyewitness ones.

What other reference books do you use?

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>>70439768
>>70472500

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>>70472690
>Schiff
>2017

>>70439376
>aof
>not keyboard

Nice joke there, kiddo

>>70472628
I've also asked for them here, in addition to the Third Ear and NPR guides. Doesn't seem like anyone's bothered to scan them.

>>70472796
that's a shame

you'd think there'd be more resources available

the larger encyclopedias that have been scanned are pretty comprehensive but they don't discriminate between major works and obscure things that aren't worth listening to by the same composer

Is this classical?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nY7GnAq6Znw

How would you compare this to Dowland?

>>70471414
sounds interesting enough, but I share the opinion of the other anon. How did you record it?

>>70472926
something about his body language, the open tuning, and the lyrics just scream "douchebag"

>>70460044
>I have seen Stravinsky's rite of spring before by three different orchestra's, it does NOT in any way sound louder than any metal band i've ever seen
You probably just saw weak performances. I've seen a lot of metal, and the performance I saw was definitely on par decibels wise.

You have to remember that even 2 plates clinking together is over 100db for a split second. It doesn't take much to make a very loud sound. Considering amplified rock band is usually cited at 108 - 114 db, its pretty easy to see that an ensemble of 70 players playing at fff can match that level.

Thankfully the development of metal was not connected to classical composers - that would be embarrassing. Like all popular music they just use the parts of classical they like. Namely dissonant chugging, minor scales and sometimes syncopation.

>>70472724
You're right, it's 2017, you should know by now who the GOAT recording pianist is

Bach


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgZTNYMI4kE

>>70474351
Bach is shit

>>70474345
Sounds like a goat too

>>70472217
sound is two dimensional, retard

>>70473589
I've recorded it with a midi keyboard and FL Studio, the composition instead was made on paper.

>>70471414
you have a lot of moments with really unclear harmony, and i don't think that's what you're going for. (If it is what you're going for, the odd harmonies are not used well, they seem to pop up randomly). I'd harmonically analyze everything you've written and determine if that's what you really want or your ear is just settling on something that you're used to from hearing your own piece over and over again. Definitely an issue i have had

>>70463022
Caaaaaaalcium, i am the ghost of Iannis Xenakis, if you don't finish my chart, you will be haaaaunted fooooreeeeveeeeeer

ooooooooOooOOOOooooOOOoooo...

Holy shit Telemann is actually criminally underrated
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRovKhUFeh8

>>70477434
you have Alzheimer's stfu

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>you will NEVER be able to sing the soaring high melody at 1:45

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA88AS6Wy_4

Why live?

>>70477725
he wrote some good music but its like sifting through 10 tonnes of horseshit just to find a golden nugget

>>70470952
>Any 13 years old can come out with a new 3 minutes trap track who doesn't sound like anything else in the world
retard
>>70468178
this whole post is retarded


why are you guys so pretentious when it comes to music outside of classical? at least admit you know nothing about it. no shame in that, considering 99% of fans of other genres don't know shit about classical.

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>>70478227
there is hope for us all anon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukDAfF0-8q8

>>70478460

kek, surprised me. that dry classical music humour.

>>70478325
I don't know anything about popular music and I'm proud of the fact.

>inb4 some aspie rages at me for only caring about real music

>>70478974
great, as long as you don't say stupid shit like the above poster, revel in your ignorance

Why do people like JB Lully so much, when he's so bad? He's all crude and pompous. not a touch of elegance. Basically killed french music from the time he took the court to the time he died.

rec sleepcore classical

>>70480349
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t894eGoymio

>>70472926
>Is this classical?
Seriously dude? This better be bait. Dowland is lyrical and methodical, this is new age garbage. It doesn't compare to him at all.

>>70480349
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9ajvCwPBB4

>>70479920
>He's all crude and pompous. not a touch of elegance.

Give at least one good example, apparently we are listening to different music.

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Let's spell out Bruckner's name, i'll begin
B

>>70482305
ruckner

>>70482305
R

>>70479920
How can you find these not """""elegant""""" at all?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CcSlzdBrT4&index=4&list=PLanoolzETJ64qCOi1l8LUYR3c3rVEiYNr

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0gJpGK3bV4&list=PLanoolzETJ64qCOi1l8LUYR3c3rVEiYNr&index=15

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUH9XZYp7H8&list=PLanoolzETJ64qCOi1l8LUYR3c3rVEiYNr&index=24

>>70482483

They're kitsch senpai.

I downloaded the mega files. Where do I even start, it's 180gb of music? Is there a certain progression so I can fully appreciate the music?

>>70480349
Anything Mozart

>>70483147
Start with one work from baroque, classical, and romantic eras (try medieval, renaissance, and 20th century as well). If you like it then explore other works by the composer but try and vary the genre. So if you first listened to a symphony then you might want to try their solo piano stuff or a string quartet. Then branch out genre-wise to other composers and eras, etc.

>>70483147
Start with youtube, listen around until you find something you like and then go and download it. Don't try and swallow whole one of these huge mega turds.

>>70473802
You couldn't tell by just the music?

>>70472926
wankery

>>70483202
>>70483210
This is the best general besides /shugazi/. I thank you guys for always being so helpful.

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>>70483147
There are several contemporary composers mixed under there that will put you off.

Begin with :
Chopin : Nocturne, Mazurkas, Sonatas, Prelude ; Scherzo
Schubert : Impromptu, Moment Musicaux
Rachmaninov : Prelude, Piano Concertos
Beethoven : The popular sonatas ( Op. 53, Op. 13, Op. 27 Nr. 2 etc. )
Liszt : Trancendental Etudes, Three Concert Etudes
Bach : Das Wohltemperierte Klavier

Look up Medtnaculus and Ashish Xiangyi Kumar on youtube to find decent recordings.
For quartets, symphonies etc. look for incontrario motu. Begin with Brahms String Quartet for that.

Also : Take your time.

>>70472926
This attracts the wrong kind of woman.

>>70483326
I think a limited focus on piano and romanticism is more likely to put people off. You probably over estimate how narrow minded people are.

>>70483430
I think of romanticism to be the more accessible which is why I named Chopin and Rach.
Also, do you expect someone who hasn't scratched on the surface to sit through one symphony? This is why I mostly recommend short piano pieces.

>You probably over estimate how narrow minded people are
I disagree. I would rather say I'm aware of peoples short attention spans and "general consensus" on Mozart, Bach, baroque music on and on.

If he's unsatisfied and needs more to nurture his interest he'll find choral works, trios, sextets etc. on his own or here.

>>70482483
He's probably a butthurt Turkroach.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsF0dM0FvuY

>>70445302
>if you can't tell an inane bog boogie from another inane bog boogie you're tone deaf

>>70485457
Right.

And if you respond to 2 day old posts you have autism. Congratulations, you're learning all sorts of things about yourself today.

>>70485511
>but you don't UNDERSTAND he's jigging in a different key!
>that makes this gypsy party jig totally different from that gypsy party jig

>>70485556
Why are you talking to yourself in green text, autism-kun?

>>70485556

>what? he is harmonizing the fourths in this passage, clearly breaking from his norm of fifths.
>SOUNDS THE SAME? That was I-V-IV instead of the usual I-IV-V! Are you DEAF?

>>70485599

Back to your bog, bogbilly.

http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=_Ka289l3W0Q&video_start=0&audio=k-Tw1sqzkfk&audio_start=6

>>70485674
You didn't answer my question, my spergy friend.

>>70483430
To be fair, apart from mozart, Romantic music is the most popular one when it comes to traditional piano forms.
Every concert pianist knows that Chopin and Rach will sell more tickets than anything else in the repertoire. That's where rhe money are.

>>70481719
>>70482483
his music is just showy and flashy, I'll admit it's catchy and fit for a king but there's no subtly or deeper emotion being expressed like there is in say, schmelzer's or biber's music around this time

and it pales in comparison to italian opera because its all about dancing and amusement than expressivity

>>70486925
He still was a necessary influence for Rameau, therefore I'm glad that Lully existed.

How do I into church/chant/religious music? Is there a chart or even a good resource/book about it?

>>70487034
of course, he's influential but I think a little bit overrated as is

his Operas are just too pompous and make me feel like I'm listening to the soundtrack of Pirates of the Caribbean

>>70487113
Where is he overrated? He's completely unkown by the public, and no academic school has ever given to much attention to his works. He is sometimes studied, but he's never regarded as a master, he's instead just seen as a necessary step in the French musical tradition.

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>>70466474
Obvious bait.