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>>69383247

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4f8fej9Sqo

Threadly reminder that Bach on piano > Bach on clavichord > shit > Bach on harpsichord.

>>69383590
nice meme

>>69383590
Bach on Pedal Harpsichord > all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4uZvhjQNi0

>>69383717
plebs go like "they invented something much better, with much more possibilities to put feeling and colour in the tone, but I'm gonna stick with the good old harpsichord because I'm too lazy in my head to find pleasure in something new"
fucking noobs

Bach would have played his music on the damn piano if he had one.

Reminder that Wagner is shit because all music is absolute music.

>>69383785
this is even better

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTYxOEHQ0QQ

Bach while high on God > Bach on alcohol > Bach on weed

>>69383828
Wagner is still great then actually.

>>69383828
so what do you call music that isn't absolute if it isn't music?

>>69383828
>because all music is absolute music.
I mean, most people seem to just listen to the orchestral excerpts without knowing anything about the operas themselves, so I think he's still fine in that regard.

>>69383896
That person calls it shit.

>>69383859
Bach on Petzold > all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TobXjDXF0s

>>69383866
>>69383898
except that he was a sociopathic antisemite and plagiarist that stole from Liszt

>>69384023
Sociopathy doesn't actually exist. You mean to say that he was a psychopath.

>>69383824
Bach would have compsed his music for the damn piano if he had one.

>>69384068
>Sociopathy doesn't actually exist
[citation needed]

>>69384023
I don't know if I would call him a sociopath, but he certainly wasn't an antisemite in the way that we think of antisemites today (and antisemitic attitudes were extremely common in Europe in Wagner's time). He had a lot of Jewish friends, and even in his book where he criticizes Jews the most, he primarily wants them to have a radical assimilation into society.

And although he owed a lot of influence to Liszt (the influence goes both ways, btw) in terms of harmony, he owes a large amount of the rest of his style to French grand opera (Meyerbeer/Halevy)

Why do we have theads focused on Bach and Mozart but not Beethoven?

>>69384464
I disagree. I think he would have been a major /pol/ poster. Richard Wagner would post Pepe memes on 4chan /pol/.

>>69384464
>he certainly wasn't an antisemite in the way that we think of antisemites today

“I hold the Jewish race to be the born enemy of pure humanity and everything noble in it.” - Richard Wagner

Yeah, I really wonder what he meant by this.

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Any one knows where i can find it?

>>69384545
he actually foreshadows the holocaust. In "Das Judenthum in der Musik" he asks openly the politicians of the future to solve the problem permanently

>>69384464
>He had a lot of Jewish friends
Oh Jesus FUCK I mean FUCK OFF THE ELECTIONS WERE A MONTH AGO

>>69384495
I think a theoretical modern Wagner would probably be shitposting the most about Islam. Wagner was a hardline pacifist and one of his key issues with the Jews of his day were their fanaticism with their God, who he largely interpreted as a God of War.

He would've had a field-day with Islam.

>>69384545
That quote is from his Twilight years, and in those days he was suffering from a great deal of mental fatigue as he was constantly barraged by extreme migraines.

I don't think someone who honestly took that quote to its logical conclusion would have let Hermann Levi, a Jew, premiere Parsifal.

>>69384630
Rutracker, Soulseek, blogs, archive or [spoiler]Amazon[/spoiler]

>>69384837
fuck off

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>>69383590
>you irl

>>69384837
>spoiler tags don't work
Damn but you can totally spoil music

>>69383898
That's where you need to start, but stopping there is a waste.

>>69384837
You forgot WCD.
Oh wait...

>>69384545
>>69384023
>implukomh there is anything wrong with antisemitism

>>69384464
The first conductor of Parsifal was Jewish.

>>69384846
Well I'm sorry for trying to help

>>69384909
name one thing you did today besides annoy me

>>69384849
Dumb anime poster pls go

>>69384464
Wagner takes issue with capitalism and the exploitation of workers while the fat cats prosper. He saw Jews as the fat cats and so attacked them when really he was just trying to address the social problems of industrialism

>>69384933
I wish anime poster would be b& 4ever. You know it's the same person every time.

>>69384937
nice revisionism you nazi faggot

>>69384928
I had a really good fap

>>69384937
Are you telling me he was a dirty commie? That's even worse.

>>69384968
americans are pathetic desu

>>69384959
No, Wagner was just a bit stupid and tried to appear a lot cleverer than he was (with things like philosophy, economics etc.) by spouting shit about things he didn't really understand and then refusing to back down or change his opinions.

The Jewish question is an example of this

>>69384968
If you read the perfect Wagnerite, Shaw suggests that Wagner intended for Siegfried to be something of a Bakunian figure, sweeping away hierarchies and dogmas.

And Wagner was involved in socialist circles when he lived in Dresden and had to flee because he got involved (in a minor role) in the May uprising in '49

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>>69384988
>Wagner was just a bit stupid
kek here you dropped your dumb frog you pathetic piece of shit

>>69385045
he took care of the weapons (grenades) for a riot, I think this is really funny

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>>69382925

Boulez proves that Debussy and Bartok were the real deal Modernist composers

No neoclassical, serialist, or degenerate bullshit

Just pure music, like Mozart or Bach

His Brahms opinion is stupid though

>>69385092
Mann and Adorno both call him a dilettante when it comes to basically anything that isn't music - and they're not too far wrong - and Nietzsche (in a different way) suggests something similar

>>69385188
I don't really care what Adorno has to say about anything, to be honest.

>>69385188
right because Adorno has never been accused of sensationalism

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Name one good female composer.

Note: Bingen, Neuwirth, Seeger, Oliveros, Radigue, etc. are not good female composers.

>>69385229
Mann was the one who said it first desu, Adorno just riffed off it

>>69385264
Carreño
i like her string quartet

>>69385188
>taking philosophers opinions on music seriously

Giant faggots desu, they wish they could be like Wagner

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>>69385264
There is exactly one.

>>69385264
>Seeger
>not good
Pleb. Also Saariaho

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>>69383247
Alright, im gonna give wagner a spin for the first time. hope for the best

>>69385351
I understand this reference.

>>69385308
Seeger is the worst representative for female composers of all time. Didn't she take like a 20 year break cause it was too hard? Jesus, how pathetic does it get? Do you think Beethoven took a single day off in his life?

Saariaho is a meme.

>>69385443
>Do you think Beethoven took a single day off in his life?
he was deaf and he didn't even like music which is why he was angry all the time

>>69385482
Actually he was just insane.

>>69385188
so writing the libretti of all these operas was the work of a stupid man?

>>69385443
Great musical insight.

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what´s better, the english or the french suites?

I have 5 invites.

>>69385898
Fuck off normie

I know you guys hate meme pieces but what's the best recording of Rite of Spring?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOYDkohmta8

>>69385898
pth/xanax mod pls go

>>69386025
Igor Markevitch

>>69386042
rip western art music

>>69386088
fuck off

>>69386025
stravinsky conducts stravinsky or boulez

>>69386042
>>69386095
Thanks John Cage

>>69386143
>Stravinsky or Boulez over Markevitch
No anon, you fuck off.

>>69386143
>stravinsky conducts stravinsky
*Robert Craft

>>69386186
>Memekevitch vs a GOAT conductor or the composer himself

yeah, you're retarded

>>69386221
>vs a GOAT conductor
sounds like a goat, too

>>69386221
>GOAT conductor
>Boulez
>Stravinsky
>great conductor
>either over one of the most intense performances of the piece
What's it like having no taste?

>>69386251
>What's it like having no taste?
you tell me

>>69386268
damn...

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>>69386268
>you tell me
What did he mean by this?

>>69386221
Stravinsky was a self-admitted mediocre conductor, and on the Columbia recordings Robert Craft was the one thoroughly preparing the orchestras. Stravinsky was old and tired and basically just went in there and waved a wand around while the orchestra played Craft's interpretation

It's still a perfectly fine recording, but Stravinsky's name was only put on there for marketing. If you listen to older recordings of him conducting the piece, it sounds quite different.

Honestly, though, being anal about which recording to choose for this meme piece is stupid. Tons of Rites are incredibly homogeneous with one another, and that's because everyone does a mostly pretty good job recording the piece. In my opinion you can pick any fucking recording and be satisfied.

>>69386312
>In my opinion you can pick any fucking recording and be satisfied.
this
stop arguing over nothing

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How do you guys find good recordings to buy? Right now I'm just browsing spotify trying to find the best one.
Dvorak's 7th if anyone already knows.

>>69386345
I listen to them before buying htem.

>>69386334
>not having recording autism
I bet you don't tag your music either.
>>>/out/

>>69386345
Kertesz is a good choice for Dvorak

>>69386396
I've never actually gone to /out/ but I wonder if they get annoyed about people from other boards telling them to go there

>>69386396
I think recording autism is valid with some compositions more than others. You can find a million different interpretations for a Beethoven Sonata, and a lot of them can sound quite different, but for some compositions like Rite a lot of them just sound the same to me.

>>69386312
how can a composer fuck up on the interprettation of his own piece? Doesn't make sense senpai

>>69386743
just because you're a composer doesn't mean you're a good performer.

>>69386838
I get that but how is interprettation "performance". Most of it is done in rehearsal and involves manipulating various dynamics to render a final product. One would think that the composer would have ultimate say on how the piece should sound.

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>>69386897
>One would think that the composer would have ultimate say on how the piece should sound.
>trusting the composer
>ever

>>69386897
conveying intentions to an orchestra, (and an orchestra responding properly in kind) is one of the hardest things about conducting. it was a famously hard issue that Carlos Kleiber had, for example.

you can say, do X, Y, and Z, but the output can be different from your intended input. if you have no ear for intonation, dynamics, or you miss various flubs and mistakes (orchestra not being together, etc), then arguably this is a pretty big distortion of the intention.

>>69386981
in Bruckner's defense, he did tell conductors to just "do whatever lmao"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9frKtO0nRn8

This is the tackiest thing I've ever heard in the classical repertoire.

What do you faggots think of Simeon Ten Holt's Canto Ostinato?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7yeIWne0iw

>>69387179
easy listening minimalist trash

>>69387543
bully

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Langsam, Wozzeck, langsam!

>>69387850
I'd be her drum major if you know what I mean

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>>69387903
what do you mean?

>>69387850
She's probably jailbait isn't she.

Deciding the program titles for my first student compositions that will be premeired next week. Do you guys think it would be too early/pretentious to call them preludes?

>>69388754
Lol how can a prelude be too early?

>>69388847
Early as in this point in my "career" would calling them preludes be taking my student compositions too seriously?

>>69388972
They're a prelude to your musical career. :)

>>69388754
A prelude is essentially a warm up piece to get your fingers working. is that what they are? Are they some kind of introductory piece to a later movement? If not they're probably not preludes, but hey you can call them whatever the hell you want.

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DEFINITIVE
E
F
I
N
I
T
I
V
E

If you're going to argue against this point, please do so in your own words. No copy pasting of other peoples opinions.

>>69389834
the fact that he doesn't know this should be distressing for him

I'm barely getting into art music.

What are the essential J.S. Bach compositions and what are the best recordings of them in your opinion?

>>69389897
nice meme

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>>69389897
>still can't argue against Rosen
>still believes a chamber performance of a keyboard work is "definitive"
>thinks that nasally strings and a drab harpsichord are "warmer" than a decent piano performance like Nikolayeva
>fell for the "AoF wasn't written for a specific instrument" meme
>is probably against the use of pedal and rubato of any kind

>>69385264
Clara Schumann :^)

>>69390124
you can't expect those reprobates to have any critical faculty

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>>69389971

>>69390719
I appreciate it.

Thanks.

>>69384464

>antisemitism

He completely disregarded it, later in his life (and him being a German man living in middle 19th century Vienna makes that position extremely progressive), and he also discredited from the start de Gobineau and his concept of ''master race''.

Wagner wasn't a bad man, he just wrote some shitty papers to discredit some composers who were competing with him. It is a shit move, but at least he ethically overcome it.

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>>69390756
Get the WTC too.
There are tons of good performances but I'll rec some live Richter, Moscow or Hungary are both fine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGA3WdYZ5Vk
>this is allowed

>>69383247
Underrated BACH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADuB6aI0a7c

>>69391069
just needs a breakbeat :^)

>>69391069

I'm pretty sure that Bach would have loved it.
let's be honest, that interpretation is beautiful.

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>>69383247
>Very eclectic mix.
>eclectic

sick people that attend concerts should be executed

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>>69390124
>piano
>warm compared to strings
>able to sustain long pedal notes
>making "agruments" completely in greentext
>trusting a pianist in a discussion about interpretation
Why even bring up piano? its the last instrument Art of Fugue should be played on

>>69391612
What's wrong with the word eclectic?

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>>69383247
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW67JLX49yQ

>>69385264
GUBAIDULINA

Gould's Emperor Concerto is the best Emperor Concerto out there.

debate me

>>69391404
2 staccato 4 me

>>69385744
idk, I'd say they are all pretty consistent
Have you listened to Pogorelić's English suites?

I only listen to classical while playing League of Legends, but I still really enjoy the genre. Shostakovitch is my favorite composer.

>>69392874
That's better than nothing. Or listening to study mixes.

>>69393015

How many years does it take to be able to play the Appassionata sonata?
I'm pretty sure I can jam 3 hours of piano practice everyday.

>>69393101
Like from absolute beginner?

>>69393187

Yep.
Also I'm 21.
I've played drums for year so learning how to count shouldn't be a problem. I can also read music easily and my ear training is on point (I've been training since I was 13)

>>69393203
I don't know how quickly adults learn but it took me about 3 years as a kid before I could play anything worth listening to.
Fortunately, the 2nd movement is easy. If you get gud enough to start learning it it'll give you motivation. Maybe under a year to learn the basics then spend the next year on the 2nd movement and other pieces like Mozart sonatas.
Maybe after 3 years you could at least attempt to start learning the other movements at a slow tempo and see how it goes.

Speaking of piano I have had one for almost a year and I can basically play the easy part of Fur Elise. Where do I go from here?

>>69393433
Petzold

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Why are harpsichords such decorative beautiful instruments while pianos are uniformly boring black?

>>69384464
Wagner's mature works don't owe anything to French grand opera, much more to Weber.

>>69392453
Arrau's Emperor concerto with Davis is the best

>>69393614
Extreme detail went out of style. Both visually and in music. Classical period is all about clear themes and how those themes evolve, whereas baroque is all about polyphony and ornamentaion

>>69393638
I almost forgot Baroque was a whole art and architecture period, not just music.

>>69392756
Yes, but i prefer richter or petrov

Is a pity they didn't record all the suites

EIN
FESTE
BURG
IST
UNSER
GOTT

>>69395245

Good chorale

Post favourite chorales

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1LtXdiAxEA

>>69395306

Wachet Auf

>that progression from 1.10-1.16
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZOL57lspSU

>>69395306
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jt7ZLEU4XVk

>>69391826
>still can't argue against anything said
>uses the pedal note non-argument
>is against rubato

>tfw in that mood where Bruckner is GOAT

That opening movement of the 8th... fuck me

>>69393433

Bach's 2 part Inventions and the easiest preludes from WTC at a slow tempo are a great way to improve.

WTC in particular should be one of your milestones, since it's a goldmine for exercises.

What does everybody thing about Liszt and Satie?

>>69397268
They're fine.

>>69397268
Liszt is horribly underrated and stereotyped. He's a true revolutionary, though.

>>69397268
Satie is trash, basically easy listening music.

Liszt's greatest contribution to music was giving Wagner ideas.

>>69397268
Liszt is a great composer.
Satie was not, but I still feel he was necessary. He basically got pop music right from the start. Anyone of his melodies could easily be an accompaniment for a top 40 pop song.

He is great in the same way The Velvet Underground are great.

Liszt: Second most underrated composer of all time
Satie: Greatest memester in classical music

>>69397576

who's the first?

>inb4 mozart

>>69397589
Answered your own question

>>69397294
>>69397350
>>69397454
>>69397483
Interesting, I've always felt Satie's stuff was a bit unimpressive but it's very easy and beautiful, I guess that's why I like his music. Easy and simple, Je te Veux is my favorite song by him.
Liszt is my favorite. Leibstraum and Hungarian Rhapsody are amazing pieces.
Any other guys with sound like Liszt? I'm assuming I should pick up Wagner reading through this thread.

>>69383426
Interesting that you post this. Most people here don't seem to like John Dowland or the lute, at least that's how it seems to me. Also, of all the songs he could play he chose flow muh tears. Maybe he just wanted to play something easy so he didn't make a fool of himself.

>>69397619

Wagner takes some ideas out of Liszt repertoire, but honestly he sounds completely different and has completely different goals.

Any piano/composer virtuoso that came after Liszt played like Liszt. He is one of the most plagiarized composers in history, so don't bother. Listen directly from the main source.

>>69397619
Liszt spawned numerous imitators who imitated his "style" without really imitating the substance and aren't really worth the listen

You're probably going to want to go for Alkan (a contemporary of Liszt who almost exclusively focused on the piano) and Busoni

>>69397642
Interview with Bream

>I was on tour in Toronto with a camera team and was asked would I like to meet Stravinsky and play him something on the lute and I said "Of course!" But when I got there the poor chap was just about to conduct the Symphony of Psalms in a recording session; they rolled me on and it was obvious that this was just not what he wanted. He was obviously annoyed and I don’t blame him. I had total sympathy for him. But it was the most embarrassing moment of my career.

>>69397810

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4f8fej9Sqo

Damn, this is one of the most cringeworthy things I've ever seen. Bream didn't deserve that.

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Eccentric hack or musical genius?

>>69383247
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q0t683xaWI&index=1&list=WL

>>69399114
Genius when it comes to baroque and serialism, hack when it comes to classical music.

>>69399203
He underrates Mozart, which means he knows that the highest praise is still a gross understatement

>>69399203
His Bach is shite though

What's some good music that hasn't been recorded yet?

>>69397642
Patricians love the lute
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aaAmGbjQKA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Vr-qxq-KnA

Also Bream is playing Flow My Tears because he's mourning the death of music at the hands of Stravinsky

>>69399507

His incomplete AoF on piano is my favourite piano interpretation of that music.
Also his WTC is ear candy.
Not a great fan of his Goldbergs.

>>69397268
Satie sounds like the background music in Minecraft. Liszt is very good from the few things I've personally heard.

>>69399593
the stuff in my brain

>>69399593
The sounds of me fucking your mother

>>69399605
top kek, Any patrician knows Stravinsky is shit post 1945

>>69399634
His Years of Pilgrimage might be the greatest epochal keyboard collection ever written after Bach and Beethoven

>>69399634

Satie wrote a great chunk of his repertoire with that goal in mind. He used to call it ''furniture music''.

>>69399825
More like "fedora music" am I right?

>>69399854

That's Wagner

How do you tag your music files?

Doesn't it get complicated, considering variables like the composer, performer, and the dates of either one?

>>69399825
Pretty cool taht they had Minecraft back then.

>>69400366
It only gets complicated when you have multiple recordings of a piece by the same performer. I'm casual enough that it doesn't come up too often so I simply remember what's inside the folder name.

>>69400366
i dont tag them

>>69399825
False, he only called one of his works that.

>>69400366
I always end up listening to the performance I like the most and delete the rest so not really.

>>69400664
There's never a case where you like multiple different recordings about the same?

>>69400366
It isn't too bad. Tagging opera is the only time it gets really annoying

>>69400921
Not really.
With time my taste sometimes shifts and I end up favouring another performance (or maybe I just get tired), but at any given moment there's always one that I prefer over the rest.

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>tfw just finished listening to Shosti's Symphony No. 15 in A major

What does /classical/ think of it? His works always somewhat polarized me.

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>>69400999
interesting, maybe one of the most original symphonies of all time

you need to have maxim's recording though

>>69401069
I certainly think it's his best symphony, but he's has been the hardest ruski composer to get into for me

>>69400999
The greatest composition of the 20th century!
t. Scaruffi

In all honesty, though, his last two symphonies are really his best. I think it's in large part due to how harmonically adventerous they are in comparison to his earlier stuff, not to mention that, due to various ills, he reduced the work to be pretty economical in terms of the orchestration, which made it more interesting to me. The Rossini/Wagner quotes are interesting and can be both funny or eerie depending on how you interpret it.

Not generally a Shosty fan, but his chamber works and the very late symphonies interest me.

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my rating of the operas of Wagner:
1. Ring Cycle
2.Tristan and Isolde
3. Tannhauser
4. Meistersingers
5. Parsifal
6. Rienzi
7. Dutchman

>>69401189
>Parsifal that low
y tho

>>69399605
Really good stuff there anon, are you familiar with Piccini? I heard one of his toccatas several months ago on my local classical radio station, I don't recall which but it was amazing

>>69401189
>Tristan above Parsifal

pleb alert

>>69385186
what's some frentic arithmetic masturbation

>>69401189
For me it would be hard to choose between Ring, Trisan und Isolde and Parsifal for the top sot

>>69401208
the text and themes were great, but I felt like Wagner started using the Dresden Amen leitmotif as a crutch. The music isn't as varied or versatile as in the higher rated ones

maybe im just a big ole pleb

>>69399854
no
more like art school music

>>69397619
>Leibstraum and Hungarian Rhapsody
God dammit anon, you're not even liking Liszt for the right reasons. Go listen to his late works and have your mind blown while he predicts the next 40 years of music.

>>69401395
Not him but what about his sonata? Is it good or meme?

>>69399634
>Satie sounds like the background music in Minecraft.
!triggered!
did you even listen to him?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuZ4DYywqpw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpPVqsXEIWg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uI2xQP55jmY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpp_cpiMS3U

>>69400999
he was almost dead at that point
it's like schnittke's unfinished symphony

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What is the best work of this hack?

>>69401723
>hack

Plebeian.

>>69401723
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26K9f8n6ymU

>>69401723
Whichever one is the shortest.

>>69401792
tfw 4:33 too long

>>69391404
BachScholar pls go

>>69401594
You forgot his satire works.

In this case, he was watching sea creatures and wrote its soundtrack, with comments on what the creatures would say. It also references other pieces and mocks the overuse of lavish ending cadenzas.

https://youtu.be/8LEjRrdkbEE

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Anyone have this? Not on Rutracker yet and SLSK is failing me.

>>69402460
Have you tried What, oh wait...
Is anyone on here on pth, by the way?

I don't understand why plebs think that Beethoven's 9th symphony is on of the best classical music piece ever made.

Most of it is pretty sub-par to what Beethoven made.

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>>69402568
The 4th mvmt is catchy and simple to remember. Then again, those people you talking about think the 9th starts like the 5th.

It's best not to spend time with them.

>>69402568
i find his 6th and 3rd symphony better

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>>69400999

>>69403115
>>>/2013/

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>>69403115

>>69403134
2013 was a better time, fewer redditors, females, minorities etc...

>Glenn Gould, 'the greatest intepreter of Bach'. Glenn Gould has found his own approach to Bach and, from this point of view, he deserves his reputation. It seems to me that his principal merit lies on the level of sonority, a sonority that is exactly what suits Bach best. But, in my own view, Bach's music demands more depth and austerity, whereas with Gould everything is just a little too brilliant and superficial. Above all, however, he doesn't play all the repeat, and that's something for which I really can't forgive him. It suggests that he doesn't actually love Bach sufficiently.

t. Sviatoslav Richter

>>69404116
Richter's Bach is pretty good.

>>69401248
Did you mean Picchi?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZOe6cyS3Dg

>>69399605
Based Weiss

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22E_OqBYPl8

>>69404174
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF9yxbVQNpM

also he plays bach's underrated works

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What is some essential contrarian-core?

>>69399593
lots of renaissance stuff

>>69405200

A. Scarlatti, Seixas, Zipoli, Walther

this is the worst general on /mu/

>>69404219
I don't think so but that was pretty nice, pretty sure his name was Alessandro Piccinini, heh whoops I've been calling him piccini.

Here is his 11th Toccata I found yesterday:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpGPrkiUeKo

>>69405317
>what is /daily/

>>69405317
perhaps you'd be more suited to the k-pop thread?

>>69400366

I put "composer" before the name of the album in the album tab. If I have multiple recordings of the same piece, I'll put the name of the conductor in brackets after the name of the album. If the album consists of the works of various composers, I'll either choose to "title" - i.e. put the name of the performer in place of the of the composer - if they are important enough, or else just call it "various artists - (album name)"

>>69400999
14 is GOAT as a symphonic song cycle, on par with Mahlers' song symphonies. I quite like 12 even though it's not particularly interesting in compositional terms. 11 is really cool at points too

>>69401189

>no liebesverbot
>no lohengrin (???)
>not ranking the ring cycle as separate parts to allow us to decide how patrician you are

>>69401487
It is almost certainly the best piano sonata ever composed.

>>69402568

The first 3 movements are incredible, the final movement has a catchy tune which overshadows the structural considerations (which were already explored in the Missa Solemnis and in Hammerklavier)

>>69405330
That's a really nice performance. I'm hearing some Dowland in his music

>>69405576
Yeah it is, I just found out that Wadsworth guy is blind too, even more impressive.

>>69383832
Can't believe how underrated Wim's youtube channel is. He deserves way more views.

I've heard so many good things about Bruhns.

I know, he hasn't written that much, but what's a good start?

post more like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spS4v6guHHc

>>69406087
The Chorale Preludes Op. 122

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBpmSAfbqMM

>>69390719
This.

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>>69406124
>>69406087

Nicolaus Bruhns =/= Johannes Brahms

>>69405420
1. Gotterdammerung
2. Siegfried
3. Rheingold
4. Walkure

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>>69406269
>walkure last

>>69393614
Harpsichords are meant to be looked at. Pianos are meant to be played.

>>69406414
Yikes!

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>>69406414
How will harpsichordfags recover from this?

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Name one good composer that isn't European or American or Asian or South American or African.

>>69406959
Carl Vine

>>69406959
u got pwnt ;)

>>69407100
>good composer
nope

>>69407281
Whatever, you're just being picky.

You guys are going to love this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMmXRpcztIY

Truly horror music (in a very very good way)

>>69407307
you'd think people would be tired of 20th century degeneracy by now

>>69407337
It's a fantastic piece of art anon.
Truly creates an horrifying atmosphere

>>69407307
>literal who tripfag
>posts retarded quartertone bs
It's fucking trash.

>>69384879
Too soon

>>69407440
I actually found it to be a pretty sophisticated musical piece.

Are you not capable of appreciating it just because it uses quarter-tones?

>>69407521
nah, it's just bad

>>69407542
What exactly is bad about it?

I thought it was fantastic.
It feels like someone going through a truly horrifying, life changing experience. a true horror

>crazyaga
Is it 2014 again?

>>69407616
I never left

>>69407521
You know, there was a time where an augmented 4th was the devil's interval.

There was a time that chromatism was looked down upon.

Hell, there was a time atonal serialism was classified as degenerate music. That was in the last century.

Breaking the twelve-tone system, in any tuning set, hasn't been done successfully in a large scale yet and people will reject it. Give a century or so.

https://youtu.be/WGXhynluliA

>>69383247
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Wr0R59nR_o&list=WL&index=14

>>69407704
Quarter tones and other types of dissonance are being used in modern music.

The reason quarter tones are not prominent in popular music is because they can create a greater feeling of dissonance than semi-tones.

what's a good composition taht uses sixty-seven million one hundred and eight thousand eight hundred sixty-fourth tones

>>69407880
Petzold - Suite in G minor

>>69407880
lontano by ligeti

What do you guys think of Philip Glass?

>>69408103
Absolute garbage. pretentious hack

>>69408103
still more interesting than Mozart

>>69408144
>pretentious

you just lost your meme

>>69408167
epic bait

>>69408103
Liked him when he wrestled as 'el diablo'

>>69408204
>wahh, wahh, someone doesn't like my favorite meme composer!

cry more bud

bump for ya fellas

>>69408103
I do like his Glassworks

https://youtu.be/xqDWKk7diQA?list=PLTUlTwlsdlFSTvDtOJVJVrOU73W2F4LGZ

>>69407704
>>69407791
except for the fact that quarter tones have been used consistently since literally the ancient greeks, which you retards would know if you listen to anything outside of shitzard and bachzold

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>>69409737
So it is used also in the Rast and Pelog scales, amongst others. But in a euroclassical sense, its integration has only been happening since the 19th century.

>>69406269
Tbh I would probably put Rheingold second. Next to Tristan it's probably the most tightly conceived opera he ever wrote.

How old were you when you realized you had better taste than your peers?

>>69410921
I don't have any friends.

>>69410121
Isn't Pelog more akin to a whole-tone scale? Unless you're talking about how it can be approximated better with the use of quarter tones, though that still isn't exact in many cases, as gamelans are generally tuned to themselves or to the Radio Republik Indonesia gamelan.

I only played gamelan for a semester, so I'm not terribly experienced but that was my understanding.

>>69409583
its approprately titled for what should be done with him and his colleagues

>>69397619
>praises Liszt
>mentions shitty meme pieces

with friends like these...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDEem_aEttE

>>69400999
its like Mahler if he was passable. Definitely has his moments but can also be gaudy as fuck. Personally I can't stand that awkward Bolero ripoff from symphony 7.

>>69402568
couldn't agree more

>muh chorus

the second movement is arguably just a rehash of symphony 3's.

>>69405315
>Sixaxis
>Ziploc

you're just making shit up. Fuck you to be honest family

>>69402406
what is the second movement of this reminiscent of?

>>69407440
too be fair is there anything fundamentally bad about microntonality?

>>69407307
Sounds like a Crash Bandicoot masturbation project

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>>69409583
>Not posting Rubric

>>69407704
>Breaking the twelve-tone system, in any tuning set, hasn't been done successfully in a large scale yet and people will reject it. Give a century or so.
>what is literally any non-western musical tradition
>what is renaissance music
>implying serialism isn't degenerate kike music NOW

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>It's a Sieglinde is a better singer than Brunnhilde episode

>>69412748
No, the problem is that it's largely used in the context of western music by shitty composers that have no ideas other than messing around with various parameters.

>>69413624
>>>/tv/

>>69413624
Happens a lot with Siegmund/Siegfried too, really annoying

Like on that Boulez recording, for example. Peter Hofmann is ten times the singer than Jung was

>>69412748

There's nothing wrong about any idea in general, it just that what you posted was particularly uninteresting.

>>69406087
I think we've only got about 40 pieces by him preserved. The great and little E minor prelude+fugues are good, and I like his De Profundis a lot too

>>69411622
pelog has whole tone elements, but the thing with gamelan tunings is they're regional, and down to how the individual keys are cast. They dont conform to 12TET, and each region will have a slightly different version of pelog, if you get down and measure the cents. They will sound roughly the same to a layman, but a keen ear would be able to discern two genders in pelog tuning from different regions.

Handel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCMYHInAtvg

name one composer that approaches the compositional genius of miles davis

>>69416937
lol. you do realise davis's best tunes are written by wayne shorter, don't you?

>>69406269
>Seigfried anything other than last

>>69416937

Beethoven.

why are Schubert's songs so good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7PR2AfCvUw

All these plebeian keyboard players having a console war

Meanwhile we organist master race be like wat

lads you're my only fucking hope

this piece has been stuck on my mind for the last couple of years and i cannot for the life of me remember who it is and from where

https://youtu.be/UavDCCOYcVc?t=1475

PLEASE