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CYOA DIscussion

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Mental Problems Edition

ITT:
>We discuss Current, Finished and Upcoming CYOAs.
>Give advice on CYOAs
>Pitch ideas
>Get critique
>Trade art

List of stories: https://www.anonpone.com/
List of related content: http://pastebin.com/JfNFvCxZ

Read this advice first:
https://www.anonpone.com/advice
http://www.tgchan.org/wiki/Advice

>What day is best?
http://strawpoll.me/10160199
>What time is best?
http://strawpoll.me/10160202
>What genre are you interested in?
http://strawpoll.me/10160203
>What if I cannot into art?
http://strawpoll.me/10160205
>What race would you play?
http://strawpoll.me/10160997

Remember: You're in a safe place

Previous Thread: >>30106145
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>>30116797
First for nowhere is safe, everything is pain.
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>>30116803
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>>30116803
Whispen protects us, anon.
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I'm sorry if the lewd I wrote bothered anybody. I didn't mean for it to get so... rapey. It just kinda turned out that way.
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Good mares eat all thier cheese and don't complain about the swirling torrent of pain and loneliness at the bottom of their soul.
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>>30116797
How the fuck do you "scrunch" loudly?
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>>30116833

How many of these are there
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>>30116826
She can't protect us from ourselves. Not forever, anyway.
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>>30116797
>DIscussion
>I
triggered
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>>30116852
I may be biased as he is a good friend of mine but for somebody whos life basically ended at 15 he is absurdly upbeat.
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>>30116866
Don't drag that shit into the new thread, the other thread is still alive, you fag.
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>>30116866
>he shitposts to hide the pain.
Why do you do this to me anon. Stop making me feel sympathy for the people I hate.
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>>30116866
*I may be biased as he is a good friend of mine COMMA BEFORE CONJUNCTION, but for someone WHOSE life basically ended at fifteen he is absurdly upbeat.
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>>30116830
It did got pretty rapey, especially towards the end.
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>>30116830
It creeped me right the fuck out and now I am concerned about what fetishes you might have. Now I'm extra glad you promised not to lewd Cuddle.
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>>30116901
You know, I knew I had the wrong word with who but could not for the life of me remember what the correct one is. I think I may be getting stupid in my old age.
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>>30116910
I swear rape isn't my fetish. I was just trying to play to the characters and I fucked up.
I probably won't be trying another one of these, I'm not capable of making an enjoyable one.
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>>30116910
It's still railroading. I agree with the decision as rails are needed sometimes but for him to say it is not railroading is extremely dishonest.
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>>30116920
Well if that's what the characters would do write it that way.

You don't need to make every sex scene fapable. I think that is what made Cain give up on sex as well.
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>>30116930
I wasn't trying to make it fapable either, but it wasn't meant to be uncomfortable to even read. I don't know how that happened, but I'm not sure I like what I did.
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>>30116938
>I wasn't trying to make it fapable either
That is fair enough then. Disregard my complaints. I just really hate when writers think sex needs to work as porn and tend to jump to conclusions over it.
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>>30116938
Just try different characters at a later date. If the result consistently makes you uncomfortable, then stop.
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>>30115407
Look at this happy family and tell me they don't look adorable.
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>>30116972
it's pretty shit
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>>30116987
ur shit
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>>30116972
I only see half the bugs that family should have.
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>>30116972
>>30116987
>>30116995
ur all shit
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AlchemyAnon draws cute families.
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>>30117017
It's pretty cute.
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>>30117017
Warlock draws awesome warriors.

I just wish he would fucking accept that and stop beating himself up about it. At this point it is not even about getting art. It hurts me to see him claim his fantastic art is shit.
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>>30117017
incorrect
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>>30117051
We know that, thank you.
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>>30117090
I regret to inform you that you have pretty terrible taste anon. I also don't think you belong here because it looks to me that you don't like ponies.
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>>30117051
>It hurts me to see him claim his fantastic art is shit.
It's a thing drawfags have in common
''This is dogshit, I'll make sure next time it wont be dogshit!''
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>>30117051
>sketchy as shit
>weak anatomy
What part is awesome to you?
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>>30117135
>that abomination
>cute family
lmao no
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>>30117154
And what exactly is it you don't like?
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>>30117199
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>>30117148
The detail.
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>>30117217
Opinion discarded due to no effort being made to explain. Continue being what I assume to be jealous.
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>>30117232
I posted what I didn't like. I met your criteria.
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>>30117145
None of the other artists completely give up on art then when they are finally ready refuse to post in the general because they are talking about something they don't like instead of just fucking posting in their cyoa instead.

I have never hated a person as much as I hate Cain.
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>>30117251
Wait what?
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>>30117260
He is a bitch ass nigga who cannot handle praise, refuses to reconsider his stance on anything in light of new evidence, won't give straight answers to anything and is an all around terrible fucking person.

I am incredibly glad Darkest Hour never interested me. I don't think I could live with myself if I had ever played anything that piece of shit made.
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>>30117251
I don't even know what you said but the first ten words are already wrong.
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>>30117271
It hurts.
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Reminder, personal attacks are a reportable violation.
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>>30117288
nice dubs
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>>30117270
>Can't handle praise
True.
>refuse to reconsider his stance
If it is about that argument about demonic possession - someone had already explained it before, otherwise I would be glad to hear about it
>won't give straight answers
Please remind me of questions I did not answer straightly without giving a reason for doing so(e.g. it would spoil some quest-related info).
>terrible person
Wow, judgmental. We haven't even talked personally
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>>30117251
>none of the other artists post their art in Secret Club's #art channel instead of here because it's a shitheap now
I've got bad news for you, anon.
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>>30117322
Don't worry. You're not actually a terrible person. You just have a shitty temper. You're Cammy.
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>>30117326
Most art gets mirrored here and/or in the threads like usual.
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>>30117333
>throwing accusations
>refusing to back them up
>ad hominem attacks instead

I admit that I have issues and unhealthy attitude towards certain questions, but I always was and still am open for criticizms and discussion.
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>>30117353

Well you see Cain, you are a decent person, no matter what anyone else says. Never forget that.
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>>30117322
Well I mean to be fair you were acting like a total cunt about the demonic possession stuff and also to a lesser extent the missed detail on the letter. The only unforgivably stupid thing iFag ever really did was the wall thing, especially when you consider most of the other stuff was just missed details due to sleep deprivation and even he admitted that the wall thing was stupid. I don't hate you though.
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>>30117366
>is an all around terrible fucking person.
>anything that piece of shit made.
>I don't hate you though.
Wew.
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>>30117373
I am not
>>30117270
I just think Cain acted like a cunt about the demon possetion and the letter
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>>30117353
Looking at the demon thing I can understand where he was coming from. You said that the general was possessed. After it was clarified that it was not in fact the harbinger that was a demon peoples minds wandered elsewhere. He must have assumed that maybe a demon possessing another party member took hold of the general.

And when you think about it the hollows are demons idea was not that far fetched. From a meta perspective we know that is not the case but in character for Rime who barely understands this stuff why not wonder if maybe it is all a ruse by a demon. I know I would not be surprised to see a lord of change posses somebody and make them seem like a blank.
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>>30117385
Also as a tyranid player he understands better then most that a blank is not the only way to nullify psychic powers. When you or I think anti psyker we think blank, iFag thinks shadow in the wrap.
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>>30117385
Thank you so much anon. Thinking about it you are right, that is exactly why I said the Word demon stuff. I was never able to really work it out myself in the past.
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>>30117385
My issue, as it was pointed out before, was the lack of attention. The fact that I only reacted violeny about the wall does not mean that I did not shot down hundred more stupid suggestions in silence. Maybe they were not AS stupid, but they still failed to take in attention something mentioned before/basics of human behavior.

This topic I consider being dealt with. So, I still wait for questions I need to answer to.
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As long as we are talking about Warlock I have something to say. He considers sexual stuff in his quest a mistake.

As far as I am concerned the only mistake he made was trying to use the filthy unicorn whore part of https://desuarchive.org/mlp/thread/29072784/#29122273 as a piece of dialogue. I doubt the suggester meant it in that manner and was simply exaggerating for comedic affect or something. Other then that all sexual aspects have been handled incredibly well, it is hard to write a rape in a way that does not come across as stupid and pointless but you made it work.
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>>30117394
Shadow in the warp is in fact even stronger psychical presense, but it is completely irrelevant now.
If you are really using meta arguments here.
>30k
>tyranids
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>>30117405
Well that's the thing. It has since come to light that he only missed all those details because of sleep deprivation. It seems incredibly unfair to hate a person because of that. You should have just clarified points instead.

>basics of human behavior.
Your players are sheogorath. Deal with it. It certainty does not help that with the behavioral stuff in particular you were likely attributing things to him that were not him.
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>>30117413
I am saying he considers the possibility that somebody who seems like a blank may just be a powerful psyker.
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Anyone knows what happened to Alycornanon (QM of Captain's CYOA)? They disappeared without a word for almost two weeks now, and hasn't been posting in other threads they frequent.
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>>30117433
maybe he had a sudden heart attack.
Why spoiler that though?
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>>30117417
>It has since come to light that he only missed all those details because of sleep deprivation. It seems incredibly unfair to hate a person because of that.
That is in fact why I hate him so much. I had to work 3 jobs at once to support my family a few years back.
I have an immense respect for how badly sleep deprivation fucks you up. all my other complaints about Cain are just window dressing.
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>>30117421
Then he has scaling issues. Don't attribute to him your thoughts, please.
>>30117417
If you have missed it, I haven't brought him up during the last several months. Except for the filter thing, but I have not expressed my hate or any other personal thing there too.
So you are making assumptions about my opinion based on outdated info. This is wrong.
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>>30117433
Hi, sorry, I'm in the middle of a move from my old base to a new one, so I haven't had time to talk/write, and it was a bit of a shit-show 'last moment' call, so it completely slipped my mind to pass-along a 'hey, I'm gonna be MIA for a week or two.'
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>>30117446
Having a reason for why you're acting like a cunt does not magically invalidate the fact that you're being a cunt.
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>>30117450
If you no longer hate him why do you still allow his opinion on your art to affect you so much?
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>>30116784
>Buddy is the least crybaby
Do those other characters you mentioned cry every post?
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>>30117455
Ok I have tried to stay out of this autism but how the hell does missing details make you a cunt?
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>>30117437
Just felt like it.

>>30117454
Oh cool. I was kinda concerned for a moment there.
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>>30117450
>Except for the filter thing
I don't hate you but I came really fucking close after that. Telling people they should not share opinions with iFag is a fucking faggoty thing to do.
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>>30117469
That doesn't, his behavior made him a cunt.
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>>30117462
>why do you have crippling self-esteem issues?
Because of certain things that happened in my life.
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>>30117477
All the interactions I ever had with him were positive
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>>30117469
What >>30117477 said. Cain acting like a jerk doesn't mean that iFag wasn't also.
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>>30117486
Good for you.
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>>30117486
Well then you never talked to him in Secret Club.
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>>30117484
I still refuse to belive the deletion did not have anything to do with the uploader. Even iFag himself regreted not doing it anonymously the moment he finished uploading.
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>>30117486
Are you by any chance an Australian?
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@30117486
He acted like a dick. Cain also being a dick or not being a dick doesn't change that.
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>>30117499
Nobody has ever been able to provide evidence of him acting bad in the klub other then that stuff just before he got banned. All I have ever seen in the general is iFag arguing circles around people and said people getting buthurt about it.
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>>30117513
That just looks like hugboxing to me.
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>>30117503
I cannot deny that it played its role in the decision, but it was far from being the main reason.
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>>30117514
>Nobody has ever been able to provide evidence of him acting bad except for the time he acted bad and they banned him
Gee.
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>>30117508
Nope. U.S.A U.S.A
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>>30117525
>you're both irritating and need to shut up
>hugboxing
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>>30117514
>iFag arguing circles around people
I don't care that you're going to say oh not this meme again. I have a hard time believing that you could be anyone other than him and actually think that looking at the logs.
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>>30117531
>wanting to censor certain discussions
>not hugboxing
The fuck do you consider hugboxing.
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>>30117545
Being excessively nice or soft with people. Telling them to fuck off is the opposite of hugboxing.
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>>30117468
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>>30117545
Nah that is just reddit. Which is even fucking worse.
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>>30117545
Thats not what hugboxing is at all
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You know I sometimes wonder if maybe people started to go out of their way to recognize iFag as he started to fix his grammar.
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>>30117531
Sounds like hugboxing to me.
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>>30117568
Look, I'm not proud of trying to shut down the conversation but you have to understand that he had been going at this with Cain for days straight before it came to a head.
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>>30117545
The fuck do you think hugboxing is? "Fuck off, no one cares, you're both retarded" is the exact opposite.
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>>30117560
That doesn't really answer my question. Buddy cries every two or three posts.
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>>30117513
Does discord have logs? I would like to see what happened for myself.
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>>30117580
Oh they absolutely did.
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>>30117472
I appreciate that there were some folks legit worried, though I'm sorry I caused such worry.

Yeah, once I get to my new base and settle a bit I should get right back too it.
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Fuck all this bullshit. I just want to know what would have happened had Cain not misunderstood the (poorly written) command to ask about demon behavior.
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>>30117618
I think that gif would actually look better if the sword cut out frame instead of leaving all that white space.
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>>30117605
He argued his case against Cain for a solid week slowly driving Cain mad as we all begged them to stop talking to each other. Eventually Cain lost his shit and ran away and iFag got banned for not letting it go even after that. Cain has never been the same since. Sometimes he bites random anons now and we don't know why.
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>>30117635
Well I mean is it bad to defend your position? Given just how many sticking points they seemed to have it seems likely a week would have been needed to work through it all.
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>>30117628
And I want to know what would have happened if iFag shut up after he explained what he actually meant and Cain said he still thought it was stupid. Don't put it all on Cain. They both suck.
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I think the hilarious thing about all this is just how much the other australian agrees with iFag on stuff related to Darkest Hour.
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>>30117643
>Cain said he still thought it was stupid
Could you link me to the post where he did that.
iFag was also not the only one curious about that shit. I would likely have asked the same question.
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>>30117641
>Well I mean is it bad to defend your position?
If it is making everyone else unhappy it is at very least inconsiderate. Do it in DM. Do it in a side channel. Do it some time when it wasn't causing everyone present pain. Better yet, accept that two people will have different opinions and stop trying to push over and over again.
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>>30117656
Nothing you could possibly offer me would be sufficient incentive to make me wade into the week of discussions of asshole one and asshole two arguing with each other.
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>>30117646
It is true. It is nice. As much as I rail against hugboxing in all its forms it is nice to discuss stuff with somebody who agrees with me on most things, it makes the things we disagree on stand out even more.
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>>30117667
Well Cain probably should have mentioned it in the thread. Multiple people asked about it if I recall correctly.
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>>30117683
Multiple people asked for an end to ifag discussions in the thread also. It looks like neither of you are going to get what you want.
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>>30116866
This honestly makes me really sad to hear.
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One Hiji post per day in /cyoad/ soon
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Why don't we just split the threads, have a CYOAD and an iFag geneal?
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>>30117733
I tried that already. I've tried everything I can possibly think off.
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>>30117733
That's a nice dream.
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>>30117733
It wouldn't work. They know that we never want to hear about him again. They just don't care.
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>>30117733
We do. It's on the 4+4chan.
The real one not the replacement after it got removed from all the search engines
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>>30117733
That's what filters are for senpai. That already exists.
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I have never said that I am at least partially responsible for that mess, but constantly bringing up the old issues will not fix anyhing.

I just wish we all could if not make peace with each other, then at least move along and do not bring up old controversies.
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>>30117733
https://4ch.net/pone/res/288183.html

replace 4 with 8
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>>30117769
You mean never said that you are not?
Also new session when? Do you by any chance think your art is good enough yet?
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>>30117772
Awww a foals adventure died.
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>>30117590
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>>30117780
*am not at least partially responsible
Yeah, my mistake.
Don't know. Finals and stuff.
Still not good enough.
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>>30117791
Cain is willing to move on and stop talking about the demon shit. I suggest everyone else do so too.
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>>30117791
Can Can we at least have some sort of character refrence for the party members?
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>>30117772
You could also just derpy.me it.
http://derpy.me/DaBpN
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>>30117788
You know this would be a lot faster if you just told me how many times she cried so it could be measured against how often Buddy has, right?
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>>30117819
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>>30117785
It didn't fall of the board amusingly enough. 8ch got hacked a month or two back and lost a ton of threads.
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>>30117824
Shame.
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>>30117811
I'm pretty sure there are one or two for Arcane on anonpone.
Concerning other characters - much later.
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>>30117838
Nah arcanes one was a generic lunar mage.
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>>30117822
Alright I didn't realize there were this many of those. I'm starting to wonder if you might be right.
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So If I am understanding this right warlock drew a bunch of side characters or something before he drew the main party members?

Get cucked edgefags, your qm giving up on art is exactly what you faggots deserve.
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>>30117853
Still although we have that fortunate situation keeping fanart of one edge quest from getting made people still keep making art for the other edge quests. Why do you do this to me /cyoa/
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>>30117850
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>>30116891
I don't think I should sorry. He is pretty open about his part but when he told me about this it seemed really personal, I probably should not have even mentioned it.
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>>30117857
How does Warlock giving up stop people from making fanart?
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>>30117874
Well I get the feeling none of the artists have a good enough idea what the party looks like.
It's fucking glorious.
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I want dwk to psychoanalyze antiedgeanon
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>>30117476
Why exactly did that bother you so much?
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>>30117824
I didn't know it was still there, holy shit.
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>>30117857
...Is longname an edge qeust? I mean, it seems to have some pretty fucking tragic backstories and even has suicide attempts in it.
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>>30117928
>suicide attempts
Then yes
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>>30117805
Perseveration isn't something you can reason with.
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>>30117930
Unfortunatly almost every quest is an edge quest right now. I have to focus my scorn on the worst ones. With symphony finished that leaves Darkest Hour at the top of the list.
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>>30117939
I don't even care about Cainart (although it is kind of nice) and I want him to do detailed images of all the party members so we can flood you with fanart of Darkest Hour.
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>>30117930
I'd... actually disagree with you. I never thought I'd disagree with the idea that suicide is always edge but... I dunno. It wasn't just generic angst about being lonely, but actually set up to be a believably suicide induced mental breakdown.

What constitutes edge for you? Is it the act, or the act being hamfisted?
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>>30114580
Is this our bath? I forget his trip.
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I don't know that much about DH
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>>30117955
Bath has a trip?
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>>30117950
>What constitutes edge for you
Ponies are not meant to be put in bad situations. death is right out.
>inb4 Trixie suicide
That was a show must go on deal.
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>>30117963
>>inb4 Trixie suicide
>That was a show must go on deal.

So no death unless the plot demands it?
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>>30117956
That's fucking hawt
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>>30117956
>I don't know that much about DH
Clearly not. It is 30k, although at least two of the players initially thought it was set after the show.

Still nice art. Not as good as Cain himself but still pretty good.
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>>30117956
Actually this gives me an idea.
A challenge
Draw a piece of art for a quest you know fuck all about and players of that quest can tell you how accurate is is.
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>>30117973
Dude that's miles ahead of Cain in quality

Post some me your best Cain art and I'll explain you why
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>>30117973
Apparently you don't know much about DH, since you clearly don't know the character.
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>>30117956
Definitely considered to be tagged as grotesque, but I kind of find this to be very sweet.
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>>30117987
Oh shit it's Ram. I missed the dress.
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>>30117973
Now consider that this pic took less than an hour to draw while Cain usually spends several days on his pics.
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>>30118021
but muh detail, muh advanced out of focus pencil texture
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>>30117985
I just really like the detail Cain puts into his art. I know I am not the only one.
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>>30117956
now kiss
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>>30117956
I'm so happy Ram found a special somepony after all these years.
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>>30118033
Kek
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>>30118027
Detail doesn't make up for improper anatomy and weak overall skills. detail isn't a talent, it's just a time consumer. A child can hdraw a picture rich in detail if they give it enough time, but that doesn't make the detail well made.
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>>30118026
My main focuses in art are better then yours.
Kill yourself.
>>30117985
I would say they are about equal. I think it depends on how much value you place on detail compared to other traits
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Don't feed the troll you guys.
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>>30118112
Fuck I forgot my meme arrow on the first line there
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>>30118115
What? We are discussing what art we prefer. Do you really think somebody would fake an opinion on art to troll?

Remember there are even people who prefer 3d/sfm porn to drawn porn.
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At the very least I am sure all but that one autist can agree that Warlocks art is good enough to post and he is retarded to think otherwise.
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>>30118112
>I would say they are about equal
Are you for fucking real?
Subjectivity of art aside there ARE objective measures of skill in art, and Cain's technique is OBJECTIVELY lesser.
Now there's nothing wrong with that because we all start somewhere, but telling him his art is perfect isn't helping him to improve. It's an artist's job to see the issues in his work and aim to fix them.
And also fuck you, you come here shouting your opinion around without a care but when someone gives you a contrary opinion you get all defensive? Cunt move.
If you're gonna share an opinion anywhere you can't expect people to not share theirs back.
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>>30118131
Oh absolutely.
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>>30118140
see:
>>30118115

Do you really think this guy is being honest here? We're in real Australian hours remember. They thrive on (you)'s.
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>>30118140
Can you not fucking read. I know Cains art has issues. The question is do you value technical skill more then his strengths. For some people the answer is no. Others it is yes. For me it is half and half to come out to a resounding average.
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>>30118171
Read
>>30118093

Detail is hardly a strength, that's be like saying picasso's strength is "blue". detail is just a use of the medium as much as minimalism is and is hampered and elevated by, say it with me, the artist's TECHNICAL skills.
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>>30118171
Cain doesn't have strengths. You haven't been able to say anything but 'detail' and that's meaningless shit that just breaks down to 'his armor has a few more pieces'. That's a timesink. I cant think of a single regular artist in CYOA who couldn't replicate a Cain.

There's no topic for conversation here, he's objectively not good and you're grasping at vague bullshit because you're an attention whore.
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Fuck it I may as well have my say

What I think of Cain art.
>His technical skills are not fantastic but people exaggerate that because cyoa art is generaly so high quality.
>on the other hand people also exagerate the details
>both sides are claiming absurd extremes.
>it was really fucking useful during the deer and demon fights to have those images so we knew where to aim
>it is absolutely fucking good enough to post
>he cannot except to get better if only sekrit is able to help him

His art is fucking average. Not great but not fantastic either.
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>>30118206
>Not great but not fantastic either.
So why did you say 'but'?
>he cannot except to get better if only sekrit is able to help him
Remind me, when was the last time you managed to give him any critique which he craves?
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>>30118212
He asked constantly for critque of his near flawless cyoa. He rarely asked for critque of his heavily flawed art.
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WOW look at this detail.

Truly a god among men.
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I remember those robots I used to draw in my school books. I thought they were just scribbles, but I put a lot of guns on them so I guess they were great.
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>>30118217
Forgot the picture
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Do you argue with the crazy guy on the street spouting gibberish?

Do you try to reason with the developmentally disabled guy who works at the grocery store?

You don't do it in real life, don't do it here.
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>>30118228
Hey, that one's a lot better than his usual notebook doodles.
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>>30118206
>both sides
Fuck your shit faggot I wasn't saying he was garbage I said he needed work.
My only claim was that he wasn't on par with fucking Hij "furry booty is my civic duty" Jacker.
I know i've seen worse but he needs. WORK.
And he will always NEED work because that's what mastering a craft IS for god's sake,you NEVER STOP TRYING TO IMPROVE.
And people treating him like he's the russian jesus christ for drawing a 4/10 at best pone is not fucking helping.
And fuck, for that guy to come in and go "well that's fine but this other guy's so much better" in the first place is a dick fucking move, all fanart has a place.
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>>30118231
Do you let the crazy guy hang out in your living room?
Do you let the disabled guy take a shit on your couch?

Not doing anything will not better the situation in any way.
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>>30118228
Oh neat this is new. Can you please leak more Cainart from sekrit.
Also how about you actualy post one of his really detailed drawings so people can decide for themselves.

Or how about the image that shows he has really good hair effects.
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>>30118242
That's an Alch pone you dunce.
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>>30118242
Have you considered killing yourself?
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>>30118245
Well how could I possibly fucking know. He has locked himself away and only shows sekrit his art. How can anybody not in sekrit possibly know in what manner he has improved.
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>>30118242
>He can't even recognize Cains work
Is THAT enough for you guys to agree with me that he's a troll?
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>>30118238
I don't argue with him about things, I tell him to get out. If he won't leave I call the police or yell at him till he leaves.
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>>30118249
>Well how could I possibly fucking know.
By actually recognizing art styles, retard.
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>>30118252
No he is just wrong. See
>>30118249
Only sekritfags have any idea what his new stuff looks like.
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>>30118249
>Well how could I possibly fucking know.
Fuck you, now you're getting defensive for being a retard instead of just letting it go.
You MIGHT be able to know by recognizing the art style of one of the longest standing members of this rinky dink community.
Or maybe just look at the cain-shekles you DO have and realize they're radically different.
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>>30118257
Only sekritfags and literally anyone with eyes who has seen a cain drawing ever. Like for example, the one in this very thread.
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What is it about Cain that he draws the retards to him like light draws in Moths.
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>>30118258
It has been fucking months. For all I know alch has been tutoring him. People barely even fucking post alch art.
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>>30118263
Is that a rhetorical question?
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>>30118264
STOP
DEFENDING
STUPID
BEHAVIOR
F A G G O T
Why can't you just accept when you've made a mistake and fucking LEARN from it instead of fighting and making excuses like a fucking child?
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>>30118264
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>>30118264
What?
Why did this thought come to your mind?
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>>30118264
Other than the ones in this thread, you mean.
Again.
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>>30118263
He gave his players something then yanked it out from under them. Of course they are going to react badly. Although with how the anti-Cain fags are actimg I am half tempted to pretend to be a Cainfag just to spite them.
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>>30118238
>>30118253
That was more personal advice anyways. We've tried all this anyways. Though I really wish "calling the police" was done more often, it does work. But really ignoring it until it leaves is all we have left.

Oh Fuck me I can't even take my own advice

>>30118264
I posted an alchemy picture in every thread. It became a meme. There is one in every thread that announces who the artist is.
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>>30118270
Fine I admit I made a mistake. I should not even have to fucking say that for an objective mistake.
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>>30118285
>I should not even have to fucking say that for an objective mistake
No, you shouldn't. Hence why me and other people are getting angry at you for DEFENDING your mistakes.
Just don't do that in the future and you'll attract less ire.
Recognize where you go wrong when you do and LEARN from that.
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>>30118287
But he was fucking right. Nobody can be expected to know the style of an artist who has not posted anything in fucking months.

Cain art is bad. It will never get better at a decent rate until he fucking posts it outside of Discord.
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>>30118295
That's completely insane, and it's painfully obvious you just want to see it. Stop posting.
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>>30118295
>But he was fucking right.
>
I disagree, I think he was very wrong. But I have the sneaking suspicion there's little I can say to convince you.
Regardless the advice I gave was good advice for him because he's done this kind've thing before. It's childish to hold onto your arguments like that, trying to save face by making excuses only makes you look worse.
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>>30118297
>double the criticism is a bad thing.
Fucking kill yourself. Sekrit is a fucking cancer that has killed cyoa.
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>>30118299
It's childish because he's disabled. He doesn't learn because he's disabled. It's both cruel and naive to continue to keep trying.
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>>30118304
That would be you, pal.
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>>30118299
>everything I don't like is one person.
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>>30118304
Sekrit is cyoa, at least half of active QMs are regulars there. Meanwhile iFag has literally, not figuratively, killed a lot of discussion and pleasantries this place used to have.
If any one's to blame it's iFag and you know it.
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>>30118308
Half the reason iFag is such a problem is Cain overreacted.
So if anything has killed cyoa it is Cain.
Need I remind you iFag barely fucking posts here anymore.
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>>30118310
>iFag barely fucking posts here anymore
>
Even if he didn't it doesn't matter, it was him, and only him that has had this lasting, permeating effect on cyoag.
I really don't see how you can deny that.
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GAS THE DH PLAYERS.
CYOA WAR NOW!
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>>30118310
Yeah, but you've replaced him as a problem, so nothing got better. In fact, you're worse than he ever was. You're probably the worse member this community has ever had. Worse than Shiny. Worse than RITS. Truly a cancer to surpass all cancers.
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>>30118314
Hey fuck you. I have not even fucking said anything about this stupid argument past. >>30118206
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>>30118317
There are at least two of us sick of this bullshit. iFag was never just one person and us defenders are not either.
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>>30118321
Why do you think that makes you any better? Cancer spreads. That's why it's so bad.
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>>30118324
You you are the cancer.
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>>30118304
Took you long enough to get there, but we all saw it coming.
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>>30118327
A stirring argument, but having been here far longer than you without issue, I must question your logic, if indeed you have any.
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>>30116797
Oh how fitting, just when I contemplate suicide again. My world is gone, barely a thing holds me here anymore.
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>>30118368
I'm still here other anon.
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>>30118317
This
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Every anon that wants to see this shit end needs to right now, find 3 off topic threads (anything not discussing a CYOA) and report them. We got scruffed once, but no bans were handed out. If we keep at it, it will work.
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>>30118385
I appreciate your presence, internet stranger.
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>>30117956
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Rarr
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I feel like I'm up for running another CYOA, lads - a short rest was all I needed it seems. My schedule is still a fuck up, sadly, so I'll probably be only able to run on Fridays and Saturdays unless something hopefully changes. The thing is: I would like to run a CYOA about Wind Rider and his last attempt at a race but I'm not sure how many people will be interested in this concept or playing as this character, the poll I did some time ago had nobody vote for it, unlike the breezie and western idea, but it's a story that I'd really like to do and have other players play through.
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Active threads

Big Mare Hero: >>30102500
Custos Luna: >>30095207
Semantic Error: >>30040220
Give and Take: >>30097692
Kingdom Hearts: >>29890052
Nebula: >>30103451
Cirquesque: >>30064061
Alchemy: >>29899886
Slave: >>30117550
Shittily: >>30080350
Night Delivery: >>30104855
Long Name: >>30066784
EWE: >>30048900
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>>30118317
I cannot THIS hard enough.
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>>30118707
meh
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>>30118707
Well they were all good ideas. Some were just more good then others so run whatever you want to run.
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>>30118728
This
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>>30118707
I'm fine with that. It'll be cool to play with you again.
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Lenna, or Gilded Lily?
Just out of curiosity.
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>>30118860
Orich, and those big, strong hooves of his that could easily wrap around Scribe.
If you're asking which should Scribe pursue, Lenna. Mostly because I believe what Lily needs now is more friends, more social interaction with others.
If you're asking which character I like more, Captain Lily.
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>>30118860
neither
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I had a dream I had a horse penis, it was actually very disturbing. This is all your fault CYOA.
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>>30118973
>Disturbing
>Not arousing
Maybe you're in the wrong place anon
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>>30118973
Pleb.
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>>30118976
>not arousing
I didn't say that.
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>>30119008
But that's wrong.
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>>30119008
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>>30118707
So long as we eventually do the Breezie stories some time in the future, I'm up for this cyoa.
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>>30119021
equal in size to the pepper
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>>30119051
Bigger dick good?
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>>30118124
We don't call them "people".
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>>30118860
I want to fuck Lenna but I want to marry Lily. Make sense?
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>>30116833
There are 125 unique Whispens in this gif. It is the most Whispen-dense post man has ever created.
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>>30117956
Look at the pretty poner on a date. The bate is fine too.
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>>30119105
Truly a marvel.
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>last thread
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>>30119051
Reminder that Angel was fully prepared to pee all over Horsey
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>>30119245
>without good combat bad
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How would you describe a main theme of a quest in five words or less?
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>>30119465
>It's total shit, don't read
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>>30119465
I would think about what the premise of the quest is and its most prominent feature and try to sum it up in a funny way with five words.
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Flap flap flap flap flap flap flap flap.
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I fucking hate myself for doing this, but I'm just not in any kind of mood to run.
I won't say tomorrow, or even a week from now, because if I do I'll probably break that date like and wind up in a cycle of perpetual "tomorrow."
So in lieu of being a massive faggot, which I am, let's just say I'll run when I'm not feeling like a colossal pile of shit.
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>>30119514
Works for me, but who are you?
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>>30119514
Don't worry, nobody ever expected anything from you in the first place.
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>>30119514

!brushie Mora

Just like, run when you can bro. We can wait for you to be ready. Just don't pull a Lis and die completely.
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>>30119546
>!brushie Mora
Oh, so just another secuckrit club member.
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>>30119514
>>30119546
Oh, Mora is nice person and not a massive faggot at all, it's okay to have bad days, just run when you feel like it.
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>>30119553

I mean.
If you want to treat QMs differently because they talk to other QMs, then you do you.
I'll just be enjoying his quests without you then.
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>>30118287
> Defending yourself on an anonymous board

People need to stop taking this so personally. It's an anonymous board, no one will know who you are so if you just drop a bad argument then it no longer haunts you. You don't have to try and resolve it. Let people hate the post because they can't hate the person behind it.

Also why do people give such a shit about art anyways? Some cyoas don't even HAVE art.
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>>30119571
>why do people give such a shit about art anyways?
Because Cain started drawing for some other people instead of them, so they are angry and feel cheated.
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>>30115166
Holy kek, anon, this gave me a hearty chuckle. Thanks a lot for that! More abridged ever?

>>30119681
On that note: MOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooon
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>>30119624
choos
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>>30119709
glad you liked it. Mayyybe, probably not though. I'd like to, but have been working crazy hours. Hopefully another anon will pick it up if I don't
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Through the Shattered Planes:

No new OP this time, but I made a really D E T A I L L E D in-quest drawing instead.
Well, sorta... It's more like a regular drawing but with more things going on at once.
Also characters are smaller so the individual qulity is actually less good than usual.
...
Fuck!

Returns!

>>30119907
>>30119904
>>30119897
>>30119891
>>30119885
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Big Mare Hero continues, gelrgelrglergleg edition:
>>30120124
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Have another disembodied head. Maybe next time I'll make a body
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>>30120130
Alright, who's the hothead who played 10 murlocs in a row?
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>>30120137
DUDE
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Running a Hail miniquest in a minute and thought I'd ask if you guys prefered first or second person. I don't have a strong opinion on either.
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>>30120162
Mrrrggllll
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>>30120629
Second
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Affirmation that I'm still not dead and I'm looking to pick back up Sunday. I'm no longer going to promise a halfway consistent schedule, because at this point it's not going to happen. Uncle Sam has a way with getting in the way. But, at least this once, I can say SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY.
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>>30120662
Oh also that sounds like a neat premise.
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Running.
>>30120716
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>>30120629
Summit is the father right?
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>>30120669
>filly's mane and tail are different colors
Ree
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Did you know that, of all pets, cats are the one that better adapted to low gravity conditions?
And that, at the point of history Hail minus twenty takes place, small ships still didn't have artificial gravity?
On another note, resuming Hail for a miniquest: >>30121046

>>30120137
A deadpanning Sea is a good Sea.
>>30120771
Yup yup.
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Morgan quest when?
https://youtu.be/NYtQXtUMWvQ?list=PLv3TTBr1W_9tpgsEZEf3RY1GwJR9lDTni
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>>30121456
____ ___ ____ __
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>>30121487
I'm way to hammered to make anything.
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>>30121501
Are you me?
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>>30121520
I'm not sure. I haven't thought about it. But it would certainly explain so fucking much.
I'll get us some snacks, brb.
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>>30121501
I don't believe you. You can make posts just fine. You're just a pansy.
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>>30121543
I've beein making posts for almost ten years now. It comes naturally to me like eating pistachios absentmindedly for hours.
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>All that autism
Holy shit guys Cain's art has issues but screeching autistically any time somebody likes it in spite of that is not going to fix anything.
>Inb4 ausfag.
Aloha faggots.
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>>30121612
>bringing it back up so autists have an excuse to argue for four more hours and another 200 posts
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>>30121619
I should not be locked out of conversations just because I am at work.
I know some artists and although they can take criticism fine what they cannot handle is their fans getting shat on.

Remember there are even people who like fucking sundowner.
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>>30121683
Ok.
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>>30121683
Whats wrong with sundowner?
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>>30121612
This is 4chan, we don't have to tolerate the shitty opinion of some retards.
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>>30121703
You. I like you.
Thought I'd never hear that around here anymore.
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>>30121695
They can't handle the golden rays of the glorious sunshine.
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>>30121683
Somehow I doubt Cain minds us shitting on australians.
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>>30121836
It's still pretty retarded to call somebody a troll for liking art you don't like.
>>30121695
I may be thinking of somebody else. Excessivly oversized asses.
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>>30121912
you aren't
https://www.derpibooru.org/tags/artist-colon-sundown
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>>30121959
I rest my case then. If people can like that it is not far fetched that they can like Cain art. It might not be exactly the same thing as Sundowner fans as they like him for his issues. Cain fans like the art in spite of them. But it still shows people have differing tastes.
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I honestly feel like people exagerate the anatomy issues just to spite people who don't care about them. Or it might have something to do with /cyoa/ having a warped idea of what is average. Point is it is not fair on his players to act like it is worse then it is.
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>>30122001
That's nice.
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>Hiji is garbage compared to Cain
>You're full of shit
>WHY ARE YOU SHITTING ON ME FOR MY OPINION
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>>30122019
Nobody ever said that. I think >>30122001 might be right. People are just trying to spite people at this point.
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>>30122030
>Not as good as Cain himself
lmao
>>
Look, guys, the solution is to let everyone express their opinions unless they contradict someone else's. If they contradict someone else's they're not allowed to say it because that's just being mean to the poor guys that posted first. Here, I'll start:

Lewd quests are always better than non-lewd quests.
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>>30122048
Yes.
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>>30122048
Everything is shit.
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>>30122048
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>>30122069
Wow, I feel attacked right now.
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>>30122048
This shitpost does not really work because the people who posted their opinion second are the ones who got mad first.
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>>30122069
>>30122077
I think we may have to ban ponks if they're being used to attack other people's opinions. Disagreements are just not ok on 4chan.
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>>30122100
I agree. Ponks are too friendly, and hurt my feelings.
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I am not even sure what side people are on right now.
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>>30122124
I'm making fun of the idiot that came home from work to screech autistically about people disagreeing, pretty mundanely, with the guy that jack's off to Cain's art. The majority of that conversation wasn't even about Cain art, it was making fun of the guy that mistook art that was obviously not Cain as Cain's.
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>>30122146
Night Delivery is running.
I hope this fight hasn't been going on too long. I just didn't want her to be a push-over and she has probably the most powerful Mark in the CYOA.
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>>30122124
Stop being autistic.
Terminate yourself and re-roll for a less shit build.
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>>30122154
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How long until our next beanie bate?
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>>30122244
RePony is back up and running again! Friday, Saturday, then probably Monday through Friday next week.
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>>30121912
I didn't call him a troll for liking art, I called him a troll because he was disingenuously arguing something to stir shit.
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>>30122154
>Her face is now as red as her cloak, even if her expression is seeing red
>You emerge from the claustrophobic depths behind her, and finally have access to behind her.
>red red
>behind behind
Triggered triggered.
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>>30122281
How could you possibly know that? People have strange tastes sometimes.
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>>30122321
I'm sorry it's not up to the exact standards that you're paying me for.

This is a consistent problem in my writing and I'm not getting anyone to proofread this. I don't even parse it myself.
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>>30121683
>Sundown will never draw a picture of Sundowner
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>>30122423
You should get your friend to proofread it. You know the one I mean. The hot one.
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post characters you want to see more or first art of
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Just what the hell is wrong with you anon? Seriously, what the hell is your problem? Why are you like this? What do even think you're doing?
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>>30122846
It's called a fetish Twilight, there's no bad way to fantasize.
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>>30122844
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>>30122844
carrot cog from Repony would be nice.
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>>30122865
Describe him for Pixel Anon and he'll make a sprite that other people can base art on.
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>>30122915
>The door creaks open as an Earth mare walks through, humming distractedly and carrying a bucket of water with a few rags hanging off of the side.
>She’s on the short side, but with the hips to make up for it, and her blue coat contrasts nicely with her orange mane. She’s got a bandana on her head, carefully tied to keep her curly mane out of her face.

That's the description from the first thread.
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>>30122947
Smol short, or just slightly shorter than average short?
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>>30122962
I think "on the short side" implies just a bit below average.
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>>30122947
>>30122962
>>30122979
Yeah, this about sums it up. She's well built but a little shorter than the average mare.
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Hey paper pone anon, could you alter the AHP paper pones slightly, since we have official sizes now?
I wanna see dat smol Goldheart.
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>>30122141
Well I mean to be fair I almost made the same mistake myself. Given the context you would assume the art was Cain before you looked at it and most of his art is armored ponies.
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>>30123030
Sure. But you'd still get made fun of if you're sucking anyone's art dick and then fail to recognize something that's clearly not his art when you actually look at it. If he posted before actually looking at the art, that's his fault.
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>>30123012
If you tell me what all needs to be changed and by how much.

>>30123011
Do you have a specific design for her cutiemark in mind?
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>>30123044
>clearly not his art
Seems more accurate to say it is clearly Alchemy considering nobody knows how he has changed in the past months. I only recognized it as not Cain because I recognized it as alchemy.
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>>30123056
Ghost Scribe and Gilded Lily are a bit larger than Big Mac so I don't how much that means.
Lenna would be about as large as mac.
And Goldheart is smaller than the average in-show pone.
I'm not sure how these sizes translate to paperpones though
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I feel like if Warlock posted his art as he got better people would be better at recognizing the flaws it used to have. I must admit I am biased there as I really want to see it though.
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>>30123061
Considering even when drawing Cain drew like two drawings a month, it's very unlikely he dramatically changed in style that fast.

Anyway, for the Cain fetishists' knowledge, he's completed one pony in the intervening months and even that's an incomplete piece. He keeps stopping partway through and giving up. If you want to see the WiP you'll have to get on Sekrit and search them out, I'm far too lazy to find them for you.
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>>30123061
Most people here know what his art looks like.
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>>30123092
So what you are saying is that one guy who said he had been working on stuff and did not post it here because we were talking about the guy was lying?

Fuck that guy then. I blame him for most of this bullshit.

I am sad to hear that though. I never got into Darkest Hour or had much of an opinion on his art but I did feel sorry for his players when he quit. Especially considering he apparently never got round to drawing the party.
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>>30123085
This is the body type I'm using for Carrot Cog. Is this good, or does she need to be smaller?
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>>30123126
After a brief side-by-side comparison, I can say this is suitable.

You do good stuff paper pone anon
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>>30123112
He has been working on stuff and has not posted it here. You're reading something into my words that I directly stated otherwise. He hasn't posted any finished pieces in either place to my knowledge, he's posted a variety of WiP to get critique in Sekrit only for whatever his reasons are.

I don't think he was ever going to draw the party, he seemed to prefer generic pieces. Like a generic Dreadnaught instead of the Dreadnaught players knew.
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>>30122947
>>30123011
How's this?
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>>30123139
>he seemed to prefer generic pieces
Yeah I always found that rather odd. The only named characters he drew were the generals. I could never come up with a theory for why.
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>>30123139
>in Sekrit only
Which seems an odd decision. Would he not get much more criticism if he posted in the general instead?

And because we apparently have to do this or we get shouted at for perserverance or some bullshit I am not somebody who plays his quest.
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>>30123146
Only after posting did I decide I didn't like that shade of blue.
Does this look better?
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>>30123175
Probably not. He'd get about the same or less, it'd be less focused, and people would start getting annoyed at the 10th WiP in an hour. It's a named chatroom, it's good for quick fixes, quick corrections, and quick criticism. Plus a variety of other minor differences that improve the response rate. Posting here once or twice additionally would be good for getting a different flavour of criticism.

I don't know why he or others don't posts WiPs here, you'd have to ask them. Probably has something to do with embarrassment since this is the "public" side of /cyoa/ if I had to guess.
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Hi yes, i am best clearsky. if you see another pony claiming to be the best clearsky please spit on them and call them names. they are not good people, unlike me.
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>>30123219
>people
You tried Dox
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>>30123213
I suppose that makes sense. Until a moment ago I thought that he had been posting completed images in sekrit but If it is just wips it is much more understandable, probably just took me a while to consider it from the new angle. I hope he gets over his issues soon and feels ready to finish a piece again.
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>>30123085
Is this good, or too big?
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>>30123234
If you don't play it why do you care?
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>>30123239
Perfect
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>>30123230
Swing and a miss.
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>>30123178
Yeah, that looks great, thanks!

>>30123056
Her cutie mark is a essentially a cog/carrot hybrid, like a carrot was grown perfectly in the shape.
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>>30123248
There's not a whole lot of detail that I can stick into paperpone cutiemarks, but does this look at all correct?
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>>30123264
Yup! That's perfect! Thanks a ton for my first fanart.
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>>30123242
Because I don't hate the Darkest Hour playerbase like some people do and want them to be happy.
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>>30123175
Perseveration is bringing up an argument that's been done and over literally months ago and then proceeding to have the same circular argument. Calm down, having an actual discussion is not preservation, saying the same thing over and over again without taking in any feedback is.
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Speaking of Darkest Hour I know there was one Anon who dropped it because they felt it had to much time in combat compared to time out of combat. They may be interested to know combat frequency has slowed right down, although it is worth noting it may pick back up again on our next mission depending on how things go.
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>>30123288
Then why do people keep using it for arguments that have not been experiencing that? Somebody said that discussion of why exactly Warlock thought sex was a mistake was perseveration despite it having gotten mentioned maybe once before. It was in fact not so much discussion as two people presented their theories.
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>>30123175
>Which seems an odd decision. Would he not get much more criticism if he posted in the general instead?
No? All the artists we have here are also there. Except maybe ficfic, and who needs his advice on art.
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>>30123306
>who needs his advice on art
Well for certain things he might be good. He can draw hatched lines absurdly fucking fast. Although now that I think about it that may have been a tool.
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>>30123305
Couldn't tell ya, I don't care about any of that so I don't read those comments. Sorry.
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>>30123306
True. That said Photo Finish and Hoity Toity were not designers but they still made fine judges.
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>>30123085
I might do Lenna later. I'm a bit tired, and I was in the middle of working on something else too before I started doing these.
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>>30123328
You mean there is more then one of you autists crying about it. Is this some stupid plan by sekrit or something
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>>30123336
Also, I haven't forgotten about the Space Hunter crew, I've just been lazier than usual lately. I haven't really done much of anything the last couple days.
Here's one of the few I have done. I'll dump the rest in a temp folder whenever I get them all finished.
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>>30123126
Smaller!
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>>30123341
Crying about what? Autists, really? We're done here.
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>>30123360
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>>30123377
Yeeee small!
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>>30123385
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>>30123355
What's with her funky tail, I like it? Still appreciate the shit out of you too. Thanks again, these guys are looking better than ever.
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So if historical perspective ponies are larger I wonder. Do any of the other cyoa set in the past have notable evolutionary differences? What about ones in the future?
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>>30123394
My God, the smol.
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>>30123405
Ponies are floofier back in Custos Luna time.
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>>30123405
I think current past quests are AHP, Custos and Darkest Hour. Current future quests are Hail, Nebula, Space and Repony I think everything else set in the future is more of an au.

I don't play any of those so I may be dead wrong.
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>>30123411
How indecent. Those lewd chest floof sporting heathens.
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>>30123413
Nebula is set in the future but a very near future. The elements are either dead or senior citizens (I think it was Dash the only one still alive and twilight recently gone missing but It was a while ago so I may be misremembering)
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>>30123400
That's what it looked like in the picture that was posted with the request. She's supposed to be half griffon.
Though, now that I look at her description, her back half is supposed to be a different colour, apparently.
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>>30123424
whoops.
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>>30123423
>twilight recently gone missing
Oh no whatever will they do now they they only have two extra unnecessary princesses.
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>>30123440
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>>30123423
Actually now that I check it was not as recent as I thought.
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>>30123440
Actually no, Princess Cadance and Princess Flurry heart were both killed in a coup in Nebula.
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>>30123429
The smallpone carries her young on her head, thus ensuring protection while amongst the bigpone.
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>>30108192
It was the cutesy talk coming from the players themselves
That does sound like it would get annoying.
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>>30123533
God dam implication arrow forgetting.
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>>30123400
She's half-griffon half-pony.
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>>30108257
Probably the rape in Darkest Hour. Not that it was bad but I sure as hell was not expecting it.
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>>30123543
Griffony or Poniffon?
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>>30110124
Sounds pretty paranoid to me.
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>>30123572
You sound pretty gay to me. I bet you're one of them.
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>>30123572
There are a few gay players that will jump on the chance to make character suck dick if the opportunity comes up. That's what the term refers to.
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>>30123598
Well I mean as long as they aren't dicks about it is that really a problem. I may be a little biased though as I have always preferred bisexual characters in tabletop. More potential partners is a good thing.

Although If they were trying to make a character who has been established as not into dudes gay that could be a problem.
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>>30123609
>I may be a little biased though as I have always preferred bisexual characters in tabletop.
Mi compadre.

Not that purely straight or gay characters are bad either, but it's just fun to have a character that swings both ways.
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>>30123609
It's a meme. Only a couple idiots actually take it seriously. If someone mentions the GATF assume it's a joke.
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>>30123625
Bisexuals are the sexual equivalent of neutralfags
Pick a side
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>>30121959
>those scores
>that art
I will never complain about people liking Warlock art again.
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>>30123248
So when you think of curly hair, is this kinda what you envision?
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>>30123703
She's supposed to be a descendant of Carrot Top, so that could definitely work!
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>>30123707
Are the eyes a brown color? I think a hazel brown or something like that would nice on her.
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>>30123804
I actually don't have an eye color in my notes, so a hazel brown would work very nicely!
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I can't into art. What exactly is it I am meant to hate about Warlocks art?
>>30118115
>I think so highly of myself and my ideas I find it inconceivable that others might not share my opinion
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The QM curse is real.

Will run tomorrow but not today, here's hoping that changed either.
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>>30118140
I feel like you are putting words in peoples mouthes.
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>>30124319
>>30124336
Aussies at it again
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>>30124336
Yeah for some reason this argument always seems to bring out people who cannot tell the difference between hyperbole and straight up lies. Main reason I stay out of it.
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>>30124346
Fuck you I wanna know your opinion.
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>>30122423
I know that feel though. Happens to me a lot when I have.. whatchacallem.. compound sentences and while writing you pause to think about how to continue and then you rewrite parts of it and don't proof-read afterwards..
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>>30124333
Life has conspired to stop you no matter what. Good luck in fighting it back.
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Cain art is shit.
Darkest Hour is shit.

If you think otherwise you are a retard, and should leave this thread immediately.
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>>30124446
While the sentiments behind this statement aren't necessarily false, it seems like an unsubstantial false-flag claim to ridicule everyone with a similar opinion.
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>>30124465
I don't think it is a false flag. I just popped into sekrit for a moment to say something about it away from the autism in this thread and must have triggered >>30124446
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>>30124465
Stop saying false flag, it doesn't mean what you think it means.
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>>30124478
An opinion stated by someone not sharing that opinion in a way that makes the people actually having that opinion but not just blurt it out like that look bad. I think that's actually what it means. Well of course actually comes from military conflicts, but applied to internet postings, it's pretty much that.
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>>30124465
Yet you feel the need to ACKTUARLY, and to make it into an argument.

If you defend them you are just as bad as them.
Fuck off.
You are worse than the CQ players, at least those have the decency to not drag their shit in here.

>>30124476
How about we drag it back into the so called autism.
Which is by the way entirely caused by you and your fellas being unable to keep their mouths shut.

>They are exaggerating how bad the issues are to spite the people who like it.
Ah saying that there are issues is now exaggerating. Surely that is the side exaggerating, not those that braise some shitty pencil doodles for the next Picasso.
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>>30124476
>I can't handle being told I'm wrong so I'll say something and run off
lel
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I'll just leave this here.
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>>30124511
>not those that braise some shitty pencil doodles for the next Picasso.
This claim in itself is an exaggeration. You are exaggerating how it's fans acted. At no point did anybody deny it has issues. The closest thing to that is >>30124319
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>>30124511
You seem quite mad. That's not good for your health. Consider taking a chill pill or two.
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>>30124516
Yet here I am ready to defend my position. I never thought I would argue this hard in defense of a quest I do not play but the level of autism shown around that art is getting to me.
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>>30124511
Fuck off.
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>>30124521
>the people who don't think Cain's art is awesome are the ones exaggerating
top kek
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>>30124532
You first, retard.
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>>30124511
>Which is by the way entirely caused by you and your fellas being unable to keep their mouths shut.
The man with no self awareness. I have never seen Darkest Hour players behave as terribly as it's haters.
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>>30124534
Every time. Every fucking time somebody has said they like Cain art they have cited the detail as the reason. People have different fucking tastes in art and you should learn to fucking deal with it.
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>>30124528
>I'm ready to defend WAAAH STOP PICKING ON [totally not me just some other anon] FOR MAKING A DUMB MISTAKE FOR ALL TO SEE
Go on then. Amuse me.
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>>30124511
Kill yourself. Anon tried to do a nice thing for a qm and you have to spazz out and shit up the thread over it.
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>>30124543
>Buhhu he hurt my feelings, can't have this in my safe space.
>How am I now supposed to post my godawful opinions and tell people how they are wring if they disagree.
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I don't pay attention to the whole "who is who" of /cyoa/, can someone post a pic of Cain? I don't really remember which pics he made.
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>>30124546
People are allowed to like shit for shitty reasons, Anon. That's not why you fags get called out. You can say you like Cain's art all you want, but if you want to start making value statements prepare to get your shit called.

You can like Superman 64, but if you want to call it a good game don't be surprised when people disagree.
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>>30124552
What he did was a textbook example of someone being autistic about having to get the last word. If he actually cared about Cain he'd know Cain doesn't want to talk about it or hear about it at all.
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>>30124549
I am going to let you in on a secret Anon >>30124528 is the most recent post by me. Several people are sick of this shit every time somebody says they like Cain's art. Most of the sick of it likely have the same opinion as you as well.
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>>30124561
>shit
See that's how I know this is exaggeration. Before this bullshit started Cain art was met with a meh. Now that people are mad that some liked it it is seeing cries of shit.
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>>30124521
>Bot announcing new people logging in and out in a lolsorandumb manner

Reddit wouldn't have done it
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>>30124569
Anon, can you simply not shut the fuck up if someone tells you to let an argument go?
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>>30124570
Most of that stuff is written by Wolvan.
You can notice the autism.
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>>30118026
I blame this anon. Without him we could have had a nice conversation about art preferences.
Also it seems silly to count a bad camera as a mark against already bad art.
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>>30124585
Go on anon tell us how you really feel.
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>>30124585
I personally blame this anon.
>>30117973
He turned this whole thing into a dick measurement contest, and felt the need to bring the topic of Cain art into it without any reason.
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>>30124594
So what you are saying is we cannot have dissenting opinions?

Did you get lost on the way to reddit?
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>>30124569
'people are allowed to like shit' means that my opinion has no bearing on your tastes Anon. You can like anything for any reason and my opinion does not magically change how you feel.

Your feels are your own and can be whatever you want them to be, it's only when you try to forward your feels into the public sphere that you invite dissent. Nobody cared that someone liked Cain art, if the only thing that had been said was 'Hey Cain I really like your shit', nobody would have said a damn thing. People cared when that person then tried to say shit like 'Cain is one of our best artists' or that he is better than hijacker or whatever. Don't inject your feels into reals and there wont ever be a problem.
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>>30124603
So what you are mad about is comparisons? Because otherwise those statements all mean pretty much the same thing.
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>>30124603
>Don't inject your feels into reals
Holy shit what.
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>>30124609
The only people who are mad are the people who don't like their comparisons being called out.
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>>30124612
But the first person to get mad was >>30118026 Others before that disagreed but they did not act like faggots about it.
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>>30124565
Everyone is sick because of a small group of newcomers in this thread who have spent months expecting the thread to work just how they want it and showing absolutely no self awareness. They post thoughtlessly, get shit for it and then think it's invitation to defend themselves against a passing slight like they'll literally die if they don't get the last word in. The fact that the patience they are shown has reduced over time and responses to their posts are less reasonable is not a sign that they are in the right, it is an obvious progression borne of frustration.

Here's an easy guide to posting without issues:
>I like X
This is fine. If someone posts saying X is shit then they're just shitposting.
>I like X, it's better then Y
This is likely to start an argument. If you don't want an argument, don't do this.
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>>30124611
There are two different opinions here.
What people feel and what is real.

Like, for example. I feel like Hijackers art is better than Nips, because its expressive, popy and I like the style. But those are just feelings, I can't change how you feel by telling you how I feel, there's nothing really objective to go on if you disagree with me, the conversation will just end with 'oh, okay then'.

Now, objectively. nips is better at art than Hijacker. By miles. not even close. Hijacker is good, but nips runs circles on him in just about every conceivable objective metric. This is something that is debateable and we can argue and convince each other based on fairly objective points. This is a good conversation to have.

The problem we're having here, is that people whose basis for their opinion is in feels are making statements about reals and this is triggering people.
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>>30124581
The welcome plugin was not my doing
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>>30124622
>This is likely to start an argument. If you don't want an argument, don't do this.
Then why did people wait until fucking now to say this. As is all the previous bullshit just seems like people are mad anon liked it. Which I wish to remind you has fucking happened before.
>>30124603
>Cain is one of our best artists
>or that he is better than hijacker or whatever
I feel like these are not really comparable. One is putting him into a vague group while another is a direct comparison.
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>>30124619
And that day old post had one response an hour ago. Kinda hard to pin the ensuing drama on something nobody noticed.
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>>30124629
But nobody has denied Cain has technical issues. The Cain fans are idential to your opinion on Hijacker.

What is the fucking difference.
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>>30124635
>Then why did people wait until fucking now to say this.
Because on 4chan you don't spoon feed newfags.
Lurk more!
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>>30124635
Because their patience has ran out, like I said.
The current shit is entirely because some guy said Hijacker is worse than Cain at art. Hijacker has fans, so of course this would cause drama.
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>>30124647
>What is the fucking difference.
If I had to take a guess Anon is mad that Anon used the word better instead of prefer. It's that same fucking autism over thinking you need to state an opinion is an opinion.
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>>30124647
Did you read the statement completely before posting?
>there's nothing really objective to go on if you disagree with me, the conversation will just end with 'oh, okay then'.
>the conversation will just end with 'oh, okay then'.

He let's go of the argument instead of defending it for 2 days.
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>>30124659

>>30117973
here
>>30118112
Is not me. I stayed the fuck out of this autism.
I am going to be honest though. I did not know it was Hijacker. I have never been able to tell the artists apart besides Nips and Fic.
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>>30124669
Well could I have your opinion on the various claims made here if you are not going to take part in the argument you started?
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>>30124669
See, that means you did the right thing, but we have a full autismo here who'll argue for someone else who doesn't even fucking care.
That aside, I'm surprised you have trouble telling the local artists apart. Have you just not seen much of their art? I'm assuming you haven't played any art quests by them.
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>>30124669
>I have never been able to tell the artists apart

Have you ever considered that, maybe, you should not talk about art at all if that is the case?
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>>30124669
>>30124683
>>30124687
Man fuck you guys.

Pones Is your salvation.

Who's your favorite cyoa horse?
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>>30124669
BAIT
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>>30124669
>I have never been able to tell the artists apart besides Nips and Fic.
That seems insane to me.
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Every time I go to bed I wake up to a shitstorm. Every time. It's as if the people in certain timezones can't help but start stupid arguments.
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>>30124687.
I actually made the same mistake that other guy made and assumed that Alchemy pic was Cain with a new style. No way I was gonna bring it up when the thread was in full autism mode though. Although I have indeed not seen much of alchemys art.
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>>30124710
BAIt
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>>30124706
There a reason for this
It start with Austr- and finishes with -ia
Also it's not Austria
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>>30124694
>>30124712
The adults are trying to have a conversation here honey.
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>>30124713
I think you will find the ausfags will be going to bed or in bed right about now.
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>>30124706
God dam fucking Japanese shitting up my thread. Two nukes were not enough.
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>>30124725
I keked heartily.
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>>30124725
Hiroshikek
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>>30124635
>One is putting him into a vague group while another is a direct comparison.
I agree with this. getting mad that somebody said somebody else is better is one thing. Getting mad that somebody said somebody else was one of the best is highly autistic.
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>>30124722
In that case I look forward to the improvement in the thread as they (and any argumentative insomniacs) turn in.
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>>30124760
No I think you will find it is not just ausfags. As far as anybody knows we only have 3 ausfags and While iMum will kick and scream about iFag they all otherwise seem to keep their trap shut during arguments. I do find it amusing that despite not taking part in arguments iFag thinks people should be allowed to bring up things that cause arguments.
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>>30124706
Stop this fucking everybody I disagree with is an Australian shitposter meme.

Hell just stop the every shitposter is Australian meme, screw you Moot you ruined /cyoa/
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>>30124786
But moot's not australian :^)
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>>30124629
>his is something that is debateable and we can argue and convince each other based on fairly objective points. This is a good conversation to have.
It is worth considering some people do not have the skill to understand the objective stuff.
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>>30124629
Then why is it only fucking Cain? If somebody says anybody else is above nips they get called wrong then it ends. Somebody says Cain is better then Hijacker and the whole fucking thread explodes.

It is because you faggots are still fucking bitter about iFag not using the word opinion.
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>>30124786
Stop this fucking "every opinion other than mine is a meme" meme. The fact that more arguments happen while I am asleep is just an observation. Not a meme.
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>>30124833
>why is it that it's only when this specific group of players are talking that the thread gets shit up?
Really engaged my warpdrive.
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>>30117956
I was going to say something about this image but It seems it caused some sort of argument so I am not sure I should.

Is there anything you people will not argue over?
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>>30124905
Oh fuck I am retarded. I should have removed the image from the upload when I decided not to make my post.
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>>30117956
I never played Hijack or Darkest Hour. Should I recognize the bat?
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>>30124925
They're both DH characters. Pretty sure the bat is the MC.
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>>30124905
Yes. Anything other than Cain or ifag.
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Why don't we all just kill ourselves before the next thread gets posted? Imagine the eternal peace.
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>>30124928
Nah Mc is a unicorn. The bat is maybe Gust but considering Hiji said he does not know much about Darkest Hour the bat is likely just a generic bat.
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>>30124940
I'd love to, Anon, but I don't think I can just yet.
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>>30124905
Post it anyway. I want to hear an opinion untainted by the bias from this argument.
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>>30124940
fuck off craft
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>>30124952
Ok fine.
>>30117956
The funny thing is Cain's image of Ram is probably his only image that has the anatomy issues as bad as that one autist makes them out to be. They are noticeable in all his images but this one and to a lesser extent the custodian are the only ones where it is really bad.

Design wise I think I prefer Cain's though.
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>>30124958
Wait this. This is the art people are arguing over.

Holy shit guys both sides are fucking retarded. This image is absolutely average in every way. I was expecting some sort of fucking malformed monstrosity.
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>>30124975
Uh no, no one was arguing about this image. Don't know where you got that from.
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>>30124982
I meant the art quality in general. I should have been clearer. Still both the fans and the detractors are in fucking denial.
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>>30124975
Yeah. It's meh art that one anon keeps saying is the best in the world, and that triggers other anons into saying it's shit.
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>>30124994
Not really. Cain's technical skills aren't at the level Hijacker's are. Saying he's better was bound to get a reaction out of Hijacker's players.
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>>30125017
That reflects rather poorly on the Hijack players.
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>>30125033
If you're new to 4chan, sure. Don't talk shit unless you can take the hit. Politeness is not a requirement here.
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For fucks sake people could somebody please fucking explain what is bad about art. Not all of us went to fucking art school.

I want to be able to shit on the edgelord in the most precise manner possible
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>>30125039
See now that just feels like blame deflection. One could just as easily argue that it was the hijacker players who could not take the hit. Especially when you consider they were far less civil then the people they were arguing with for the most part.
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>>30125053
I doubt anyone cares what you think it feels like.
Talk shit, get hit.
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>>30125011
>triggers other anons into saying it's shit.
See this is what I love about 4chan. People are way to quick to make decisions based on going against people they don't like. anonymity fixes this for the most part.
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>>30125111
On the other hand it is also what I hate about /cyoa/. You people constantly go against people because you do not like the way they presented their idea.
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>>30125121
Fucking this.
The entire fucking reason this bullshit started is because people got triggered way back when that somebody did not use the word opinion.
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>>30125011
Well Cain is never going to fucking improve his art if people get so triggered they lie about the level it is at.
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>present idea poorly
>poor reaction
>somehow this surprises people
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This is all fucking Cain's fault. People go against people that like him on principle just because he didn't like that iFag said nice things about it a lot.
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>>30125151
That's why he posts it only in Sekrit now.
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>>30125161
>Idea poorly
He said he preferred one artist over the other. How the fuck is that a poor presentation? I am not sure I want to play Hijiquests if his players are this fucking retarded.
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>>30125163
It's because Cain got triggered that he did not get enough criticism.
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/cain/i
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>>30125184
No, he quite clearly said he was better. There's nothing about that that implies preference. Stop defending stupidity, you're not going to convince anyone you're right.
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>>30125211
Told you it would snowball.
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>>30125222
That's just fucking semantics. Unless somebody explicitly says something is not an opinion it is a fucking opinion.
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>>30125236
It isn't though. It's an attempt to ignore the same group of people.
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>>30125254
So what, you're triggered that someone's opinion was called shit? Get over yourself.
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>>30125222
It's the exact same fucking thing you autist.
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>>30125254
>Unless somebody explicitly says something is not an opinion it is a fucking opinion.
2+2=4
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>>30125276
No I am triggered that Anon excepts people to preface an opinion with the fact it is an opinion.
I am triggered that Anon will only ever expect this off opinions he disagrees with.
I am triggered because that line of thinking is what started the first Cainart arguments.
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>>30125291
Ok
Unless somebody specifies an opinion is an opinion they are presenting it as fact.
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>>30125289
Nah. It's quite blatantly different.
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>>30125325
This.
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>>30125342
This.
>I like pineapple
does not mean the same thing as
>pineapple is the best fruit
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I want to cum inside Mojo
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>>30125371
I think the better analogy here is.
Pineapple is the best fruit
Is not the same as
I think pinapple is the best fruit.
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>>30125417
Agreed. That is a far better analogy.
It is still fucking wrong but it is the better analogy.
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>>30125438
Are you really so conceited that you think every other person in existence will read in the same context as you do in order to make them mean the same thing?
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>>30125490
I don't know a single fucking person who expects people to say their opinions are opinions.
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>>30125325
Holy shit this.
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>all this bullshit damage control about opinions like it makes any difference

Reminder that:
>X is better than Y
>No it's not
Is functionally no different than:
>In my opinion X is better than Y
>In my opinion no it's not

Opinion had nothing to do with it, and even if it did opinions are not a defense against people disagreeing with you.
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>>30125676
Except the half dozen people currently posting that have that opinion.
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>>30125751
Agreed
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>>30125254
>>30125751
This.
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>>30125751
Fucking this.
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>>30125751
>>30125781
>>30125809
>>30125822
this
also it might look like samefaging but i am actualy diferent anon i swear
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I'm going to jump in to agree here, but with a caveat.

It should be obvious that someone calling something as subjective as art "the best" is expressing an opinion from context. You shouldn't need to say it is an opinion because the contextual cues do that for you. Thinking an anon meant such a statement as a fact is most likely misinterpreting what they are attempting to communicate.

HOWEVER. Saying "everything should be considered an opinion unless explicitly stated to be otherwise" is brutally retarded. Context cues us into what is and isn't meant to me read as opinion. You don't need to say that "Celestia is better than Luna" is an opinion and you don't need to say that "Celestia is bigger than Luna" is a fact.

Context.
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>>30124634
That's not the welcome plugins' default either. Anyone on the server can set it.
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>>30126284
new thread
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>>30126180
True that, forgot who set the message though
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