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>Shipmates, have ye shipped in that ship?
What did he mean by this?
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have ye shipped in that ship
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shipmates [fellow fags], have ye shipped [jizzed] in that ship [[my] ass]

t. melville scholar and professional shipper
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>>7701656
to have shipped is to have agreed to sail aboard a vessel and be paid in exchange for work over the duration of the voyage

but given the character making the statement, it probably means less like "have ye consigned yer body to labor" and more like "have ye consigned yer soul to damnation"

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Pic NOT related.
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whats with all the vonnegut hate?
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>>7701619
/lit/ desperately wanting to appear patrician.
He's a great author.

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So it's well established that most of this guy's work—The Trial in particular—is blatant commentary on the structure and nature of the church, right? Would anyone here actually argue that that wasn't the message he was trying to get across with The Trial and The Castle? It's basically unmissable.
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according to him, the trial at least was based off of a hotel "trial" between him, his mistress, and his fiance
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>>7701481
>the church
He was a jew so no.
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i-isnt it about lack of accountability in government?

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PLOT HELP

I've been stuck for the past few days on how to progress my plot

basically, my main character is the owner of a bookstore

he needs to realize that certain words/sentences/paragraphs in some of his books have been changed or have been completely removed

how the hell do I get him to realize this and begin his descent into madness as he combs through his books again and again?

looking for some suggestions/thoughts/inspiration pls
I guess if anyone else is having trouble moving their story forward they can post here too
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buckle-up-borges-roos
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ego-scrubber looks-up
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Let him start a well-known book but redo or erase the first sentence. Then let him keep on reading while he ponders what's wrong with this copy until he gets it, but then he gets another copy of the same book from a different publisher and find out it's missing too. Maybe make poeple tell him there's no such sentence (the one he thinks it should actually be) and that its "that made-up sentence" or the second sentence of the book.

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I jus tread this. Is it good?
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>>7701319
No, it is not good. You shoul dnot have tread.
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I just read it. Did I just read it?
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I thought you were supposed to ask that before treading not after.

just finished reading this, stunning.

opinions?
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Thoughts?
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What did /lit/ think of this?
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>>7701200
loved the welsh/cockney bard/slang being opposed and compared and it's actually a harrowing portray of war plus so much tea

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Anyone read the short story viewfinder by raymond carver?

Thoughts on it's meaning, found some chump articles but I don't think they nailed it.
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its*

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>The book that most thoroughly shook and staggered me, owing to the intensity of its passion and its psychological accuracy in the handling of a couple of human beings who live throughout their lives at white heat, was Emily Brontë’s Wuthering Heights, which I read with bated breath; which I have read many times since; and which, at every fresh reading, I have admired more and more.

>Here was a book which to my mind outclassed everything, French, English, or German, that I had so far read. I could not believe that anyone who had really understood it could have handed it to me in the cool and detached way Wright[1] had done when he first told me to read it. Nor to this day, in spite of all the reading I have meanwhile done, have I found any reason to depart from the opinion of this work which I held when I was nineteen.

>In my opinion, Wuthering Heights is not merely, as Clement Shorter maintained, “a monument of the most striking genius that nineteenth-century womanhood has given us”; it is not merely, as Sir William Robertson Nicol declared, the work of “the greatest woman genius of the nineteenth century,” it is the greatest work of fiction by any man or woman Europe has produced to date—and I am writing in the year 1961. Let it be remembered, moreover, that, if even those of its champions who praise it most highly cannot refrain from implying some disparagement of the authoress’s choice of characters and of the situations in which she displays them in action, it is because in England there is no adequate yardstick, no set of scales, by which such characters and situations may be measured and their quality assessed.

Ludovici seemed to like it, but what does /lit/ think of Wuthering Heights?
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I don't read books by, or including, women.
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I would only ever read a book by a woman if it helped me find her so that I could beat her for writing a book.
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>>7700984
It's my favourite book, anyway.

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Hey \lit\ I wanna ask which of these personalities you like the most if any as a novel's main characters. If you want, just tell me what kind of main character you like in the books you read.

These are not full on character descriptions, just small snipets explaining the overall feel of some characters I've thought up.

Fantasy martial arts setting
>Socially inpet (for an understandable reason, not just "lol shy nice guy gamer")
>Will of iron
>Fast learner
>Diligent
>Formerly blind and disabled
>No sense of purpose past his current goal

Fantasy setting
>Cheerful but down to earth
>Respectful/seen by many as a role model or guide
>Devoted to his underlings
>Self providing (has lived completely alone since childhood)
>Strict morals
>Overall blunt

Modern fantasy setting
>Quiet and reserved
>Keeps calm at nearly all times
>\lit\
>Unforgiving
>Doesn't care much for making friends, only the "work" he does

Fictional modern setting (boxing)
>Quiet but extremely assertive
>Master strategist
>Relatively short temper
>Father figure to his much younger sister
>Feels heavily obligated to return any help he recieves
>Doesn't understand the majority of women (As in he thinks their way of thinking is confusing as fuck/unreasonable)

If you actually read all of that, thank you. I know almost all of you are going to shit on me, but I'd expect that from 4chan.

They're all white males btw :^]
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All of those can work where they are, as long as they're adequately developed.
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>>7700941
write a story and write characters, don't write tropes. make them people, you've got stereotypes
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>>7701117
Alright. Tyvm

>>7701135
Thanks. I actually already have the characters and the stories in my head besides the last one. All I need to do is write them. My main computer broke though so I've only been able to write 130 pages for my first book, which is the first character listed

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What does /lit/ think of Deepak Chopra?

I know it's easy to hate him based on his lectures, but is there actually some wisdom behind his words? I'm reading one of his books right now and I find myself agreeing with almost all of his ideas.
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He sounds like something you'd order in a massage parlour.
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>>7700925
hes a crook
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>>7700925
That's interesting and all, but can he poo in loo?

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I finished Brave New World, and I had heard here that nothing else of Huxley's was valuable. Is this true? For example, my OP pic seemed like a companion book to Brave New World.
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>>7700919
worth a read. the island is a utopia which fuses transcendental philosophy with psychedelic shrooms, free love and a rationalist approach to agriculture/industry. to get the most out of i would read thomas moore's utopia. well utopia is worth a read in and of itself. and if you do read utopia then you should read karl kautskys analysis of it.
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>>7700919
i liked brave new world revisted.
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>>7700919
Island's probably better than BNW. A lot of his other shit is worth reading, but the 420blzait crowd and shakespeare plebs like BNW too much to accept that Huxley wrote other shit which was less like fanfic.
Island's more of a companion to his lecture series on the human situation and his nonfic is GOAT
His earlier novels are probably stronger novels than BNW too.

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“aefry ember of hope gan lic the embers of a fyr brocen in the daegs beginnan brocen by men other than us. hope falls harder when the end is cwic hope falls harder when in the daegs before the storm the stillness of the age was writen in the songs of men so it is when a world ends who is thu i can not cnaw but i will tell thu this thing be waery of the storm be most waery when there is no storm in sight”

what did he mean by this?
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“micel walcan wolde we do from that daeg micel walcan in the great holt the brunnesweald but though we walced for wices months years though this holt becum ham to me for so long still we did not see efen a small part of it so great was this deop eald wud. so great was it that many things dwelt there what was not cnawan to man but only in tales and in dreams. wihts for sure the boar the wulf the fox efen the bera it was saed by sum made this holt their ham. col beorners and out laws was in here as they was in all wuds but deop deoper efen than this was the eald wihts what was in angland before men

here i is meanan the aelfs and the dweorgs and ents who is of the holt who is the treows them selfs. my grandfather he telt me he had seen an aelf at dusc one daeg he seen it flittan betweon stoccs of treows thynne it was and grene and its eages was great and blaec and had no loc of man in them. well he was blithe to lif after that for oft it is saed that to see an aelf is to die for they sceots their aelf straels at thu and aelfscot is a slow death”
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>>7700910
>read it in an Scottish or Irish accent.

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What is /lit/'s opinion on this? Worth a read?
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>>7700862
Anyone know this painter? I'm pretty sure she's Mexican and has works in my home city (at the Dallas Museum of Art). I really love one of her paintings there.
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>>7700862
oops, sorry, I now see she's the author and the artist of the cover.
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>>7700870
>>7700876
If you like her stuff you should check out Remedios Varo, if you haven't.

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Realist fiction is superior fiction.

Opinions?
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Worshiping "realism" in a medium that's inherently unreal is laughable and boring.
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>>7700857

Have you, or anyone else for that matter, read les Contes de la bécasse? I really enjoyed La Peur, La Rempailleuse, Pierrot and Ce cochon de Morin.

La Peur is my favorite.
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Mcfucking kill yourself

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Hello there I need help with finding an epistolary novel. Its about man with bad reputation, who lives in 18th century. He used to 'use' women only once and then abandon them. Once He meets woman who is very strict and is very hard target. The main character uses all kinds of tricks to get her. Any ideas what autor or what title it may be? I appreciate every hint.
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>>7700836
Les Liaisons dangereuses by Laclos

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