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• Makeup for beginners: http://masterposter.tumblr.com/post/116605714860
• Male vs Female measurement data: https://www.bwc.ohio.gov/downloads/blankpdf/ErgoAnthropometricData.pdf
• Correct hormone levels: http://www.hemingways.org/GIDinfo/hrt_ref.htm
• Checking your levels: http://www.privatemdlabs.com/lp/Female_Hormone_Testing.php
• Reducing Muscle http://www.trans-health.com/2001/lose-muscle-gain-fat-dieting-for-mtfs/
• Size charts: http://www.americanapparel.net/sizing/default.asp?chart=womens.pantse_conversion_chart.php
• Transition time lines: http://imgur.com/a/qWpxv
• Voice Training: https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/1ske7b/mtf_voice_training_regimen/
• Voice Help: http://webjedi.net/projects/lgbtq/speech-therapy/
• IRC: https://www.rizon.net/chat#mtfg
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>>8011378
Phienchen thread
>>8013475
no its a maeve thread
Franna thread, actually
suicide thread
ummmm....
obviously, this is a stirner thread
>>8013478
hugg franna
me thread
Even tho my bf is fine with me on hrt.
Boob growth makes me anxious cause then I can't easily deny im trans and It makes me anxious thinking about when I have to hide them
I want to switch to raloxi and block boobs because I just wanna be on estrogen to get rid of dysphoria, but still be able to have femboy status so I can deny it to the outside world
>>8013485
I want to go to your wedding
doggos
my relationship dynamic tbqh
>>8013491
or
wear baggy clothes
you silly fuck
>>8013491
stop being silly, you are a girl
you know you are a girl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VVp-tKqFNY
>>8013494
me on the left
>>8013499
who tf is mado
>>8013506
never mind
im retarded
>>8013494
>tfw you have an extreme case of the gay
>>8013509
tell Anna i said "uwu"
>>8013514
i will!
>>8013511
you can always put on a binder if you have to
plus, boiboobs can be cute
>never girlmode
it's like you think you're not gonna look like a girl soon
tonight is the night i finally have the strength to end my life. bye everyone, please have one last awoo
i'm sleepy
>>8013511
lots of guys have boobs
>>8013502
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKn0gbPScuo
Sounds much better unaltered.
im a boiboob appreciater
>>8013479
that'll just get it deleted.
>>8013521
Please don't do it
Please?
idk what's happened in my life for me to be so sad.
my adult life is probably a success story for minding murphy's law.
idk, i'm just thinking that i don't have a lot of respect for my own existence.
life is a shitty chain of events, mostly of coerced action.
work.
or starve.
if i could find somebody willing to let me work for them
>>8013511
>implying
I can wear both hoodies and fleece jackets at all times
>>8013527
i want to delete myself
i wish someone else would delete me
instead of pretending to like me and then hating me like everyone ends up doing
i want to never think ever again
>>8013511
>I know but I want a safety net
you wont need one, you are pretty
look at your makeup picture and tell me that you dont see a girl with short hair
>>8013525
Oh wow.
I just started listening to this stuff after my boss mentioned them to me and I got curious about what kind of music he listens to.
Didnt know about this
>>8013491
boobs are the best part ._.
>>8013537
so fun to play with, and to have them played with.
>>8013539
try being smart and not doing dumb things
>>8013533
It wasn't that great :/
I'm not repressing but I do wanna hide
>>8013541
succ
>>8013541
THIS
your bf will be playing with your boobs and you will be all
>what r u even do to me rn
I'm not gay anymore
>>8013547
you're supergay
>>8013539
Step 1. Take a coat from an obese family member
Step 2. Rock that coat erryday
>>8013491
i understand where you're coming from.
things have been much better desu.
if i can have estrogen w/o bobs, i'd have absolutely no complaints
>>8013545
Mine keep hurting me when I slightly bump into a door or something
They are mean
>>8013547
You're still pretty gay.
>>8013552
this
>>8013552
They will stop hurting after the fast growth spurt is done.
>>8013547
are you trans yet
>>8013547
>virtual clothes shopping with me
Yeah you're a fag still.
>>8013547
aren't you a chaser who transitioned?
& you're still a chaser?
that makes you quadruple-gay
>>8013549
Yeah but I still have them and can't wear normal clothes around people
>>8013550
Damn IHC doesent accept debit
No raloxi for me...
>>8013552
they only hurt at the start when they're first growing
>>8013566
Growth is scary
what's up youtube pookie here
>>8013547
be gay with me daddy
>>8013535
hi graceywacey
how're u
>>8013568
it can be sometimes sweety, but its just a natural part of becoming a woman
>>8013565
>can't wear normal clothes around people
embrace the fleece
make it the new normal :^)
>>8013561
what?
>>8013570
holy shit hi pooks
>>8013566
This is incorrect
>>8013570
hugg
>>8013565
i guess what i mean was, i would rather have estrogen & bobs. & i'm very grateful that i can take this option.
estrogen w/o bobs? i can live w/ that.
bobs but no estrogen? absolutely not. there is no point.
i need estrogen
>>8013577
hiya!
>>8013580
hugg lorn
>>8013570
hey pookiewookie
im ok
how r u
>>8013571
I'm scared I'll look bad
>>8013570
what a qt
>>8013587
im ok i guess
playing hearthstone rn
whatcha up to lately
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JazQFtGFqQ4
>>8013590
you wont
fucking
retarded idiot
stop this
all memes aside trannies are ugly as fuck and you're all just straightmen.
>>8013592
same ol same ol
working
doing nothing
yknow grace stuff
>>8013601
oh okay
brb sucking my bf's dick
>>8013601
kill yourself
what kind of pathetic piece of shit goes on the 4chan dickgirl general
to bully
there are no easier targets
you're fucking pathetic
kill yourself tonight
>>8013601
I'm straight?
Is it like a sexuality overflow where I'm so gay that I become straight again?
>>8013591
nu uh
>>8013604
you do more than nothing!!!
grace leads an exciting life i'll have you know
>>8013601
>>8013601
>straight
well i know that part at least is wrong!
>>8013570
rare qt
>>8013615
I have some pretty funny pictures of you
>>8013615
yuh huh. ur cute and I can prove it
>>8013590
>>8013615
Once in a while I go out of the house but usually it's just work and home!
>>8013617
faye when are we hangin out
>>8013622
no you can't!!!
>>8013578
three years in, and I have to hit them quite hard for them to hurt.
>>8013581
the only drugs that stop boob growth while on E are dangerous.
>>8013624
that's no fun ;~;
>>8013632
ok.
i'm just saying that i'd feel happy enough either way, as long as i still have e
>>8013622
I could disprove it
>>8013623
Don't use hugboxed faceapped photos of me I used in dark lighting to higbox myself
That image is a fraud
>>8013638
You can always have them reduced in size or removed later.
the hurt
doesnt
ever stop
please
im sorry
>>8013640
there's nothing wrong with you
except your self image
you're way better off than lots of people
please stop hating you
you don't deserve hate
you fuck
>>8013641
not that i'd want to do that
>>8013594
The rest of the album is abominable.
>>8013640
You're really pretty.
Why do you have to act like such a sperglord?
>>8013642
pain killers? But be careful of the load on the livers.
>>8013640
post a real pic then
>>8013648
not that kind of hurt
i like that kind better
this is awful
>>8013646
yup.
>tfw will never be a pretty princess like Amy
>>8013656
>iktf
>>8013656
I'd settle for being pretty at all
>>8013625
I'm running the equations right now. It's going to prove ur a qt 3.14
>>8013652
*HUGS*
>>8013656
>>8013659
OMG GRACE COME ON NOW
>>8013662
I did look in one 10 minutes ago and found myself fixated on what makes me not pretty
>>8013663
i wish they helped
>>8013659
u are
dummy
>>8013660
okiedokie :3
>>8013662
that's how
>iktf
>>8013668
did you try
not being mentally ill
?
>>8013670
pookie you are cute
not on the inside
on the outside
why don't i own any of the spyro games on my ps1?
i loved them
>>8013659
yea.
it sure would be nice to be pretty
>you will never be cis
>>8013656
>people just conveniently forget that I was Spartan
>>8013675
am i cute on the inside too
>>8013677
bad feel
>>8013677
Dreadful feel
Chara, save me from this thread.
>>8013685
w-who
>>8013685
yea, just like how blankname sylveon never existed
>>8013688
isler
>>8013693
i mean
she hurt me too
i miss her
>>8013695
Maybe you're a callous bitch and you deserve to be hurt
>>8013671
a state
often not able to be selected.
>>8013698
All she did was post a banana monkey.
>>8013698
>>8013703
honestlyyyyyy
oh jesus i come back and things are mean now :(
>>8013706
ru still into diaps
>>8013721
>>8013678
spartan or not, you're still an annoying faggot
i'm having trouble getting erect lately :|
>>8013723
uwu
>>8013723
>>8013727
These two posts were meant for each other.
>>8013730
get a trip alex
>>8013730
I do.
It's better than before at least
>>8013734
>>8013730
this desu
>>8013731
OwO
>>8013732
>not getting erect from diaps
>>8013739
I'd love to
but I'd like it even more if you had a trip
>>8013730
ok
>>8013732
noooooo!!!!
Which trips are mommies?
>>8013745
too bad
>>8013752
mommy
>>8013752
can I be a drunk abrasive auntie that no-one wants to invite to christmas dinner but they do anyway
>>8013750
I didn't know cats could be aspie.
>>8013752
Anna without a doubt
does anybody know where i can literature about traps being gentledommed?
dom's gender doesn't matter
>>8013772
the internet
>>8013772
start a thread asking for it. maybe posters will even write some.
>>8013772
need this (must be lesbian though)
>>8013772
probably on tsumino
>>8013772
https://www.literotica.com/
This probably has some.
>>8013778
My girl
>>8013764
all cats are aspie
>>8013783
thank u mommy uwu
>>8013752
Well I am a great cook, with a bunch of aprons, a little older, and kind and patient in person. So if you'd like to apply for headpats
>>8013786
the other day i was actually thinking whether cats were closer to human retarded or human autistic
>>8013791
EH?
>need to cough
>literally can't hold it in anymore
>cough
>it sounds disgusting and people laugh nervously
>apologize
>>hehe it can happen boyname :-)
>still need to cough
>>8013791
>deleting posts
im gay (transbian)
>>8013800
awwwwww
Please do not kill yourself.
>>8013797
hugg
>>8013802
Can I at 30?
>>8013802
no promises
>>8013805
bump for answer
>>8013805
>killing yourself just as your wizard power kicks in
>>8013805
>>8013802
dying is bad but so is living
>>8013805
>>8013807
A romantic suicide pact?
>>8013792
well, some of them are pretty retarded
>>8013814
correct.
>>8013817
why would you kill yourself when you have a gf
>>8013817
I will not allow it.
hi can i vent here
if anyone sees maeve tell her I said "hugg"
>>8013824
Yeah sure.
>>8013827
class collaboration is nonsense, corporatism can't work
>>8013830
Oh shit you actually sound like you know what you're talking about. Pray tell, why can't it, famalam?
I owe 100k in student debt
I
went
to an expensive fucking school
and they gave me a scholarship covering half the tuition
of course i didn't graduate
i lived on campus in a single room
because i would've fucking broken down if i'd had a roommate
and surprise surprise i broke down anyway
couldn't handle going outside
had to drop all my classes
went back again
did ok for a semester
the next semester I did have a roommate
and it was ok
i was on hormones
and feeling way better about everything in life
and then SOMEBODY
decided I was too depressed
and tried to get me sent to the fucking mental hospital
twice
and I broke down
stopped going to classes
and had to drop them all
AGAIN
and now I'm dropped from college
but it's not her fault
it's mine for being so fucked in the head
so my options are either to
kill myself
get totally and permanently disabled real fucking fast
or watch my family get bled for money they can't afford to pay
which should I choose?
>>8013833
its utopian and ahistorical, one class always has and always will dominate, the only solution to class struggle is to eliminate classes entirely
>>8013836
is there no option to declare bankruptcy where you live?
>>8013839
why is class struggle something to be solved?
>>8013841
student loans arent forgiven by bankruptcy
>>8013836
you told me you were going to kill yourself
what exactly did you expect me to do?
>>8013851
well don't go telling people I did it arbitrarily, i was and still am worried about you
Did anyone else get beaten up at school for not being masculine enough as a kid? Or is it just me and my bad luck who experienced this?
>>8013839
How is yours any *less* utopian and ahistorical? Sure hunter-gatherer societies had about as much class as your mom, but ours is one that's completely different. So what if one class is dominant? The goal is not to make everyone equal, it's to protect everyone. Anyway, can we continue this tomorrow Anon? I'm going to bed soon.
>>8013854
i wish
>>8013854
all the time lol
>>8013854
I was beaten up several times because i was feminine. My nickname was faggot too.
>>8013853
I didn't mention you
I don't think I ever said I was imminently about to end my fucking life
I just wanted to talk
>>8013836
>going to college
>2017
>>8013854
No desu, i always acted girly and nobody cared enough to go out of their way to beat me up
How do I become a NEET
>>8013851
tha sucks but you could try making money in some ways to pay it back. if you fail you could still kill yourself. sounds better than being disabled forever.
>>8013836
Why did you go to a private school when you knew you are close to breaking all the time and likely can't finish it?
Seems like you made some stupid decisions anon.
You should get a job and work on paying your debt. Maybe contact them and try to negotiate a solution that doesn't ruin your whole life.
>>8013868
stop going to school or work
>>8013854
I always was the smallest and youngest boy in my class so they picked up fights with me constantly but usually attacked alone so it was easier to deal with.
>>8013871
you could have squirrelled away enough income to go anywhere else in the country
hell you can get land for a few hundred dollars
>>8013872
With the scholarship, the private school cost about as much as the state school. The difference being that the state school offered me fuck-all as far as financial aid went.
All I ever do is make stupid decisions.
I couldn't make the payments
I can't even go outside
The optimal solution is my suicide, I have nothing to bargain with and they can easily go after my family.
>>8013877
That would require not being a moron and having direct-deposit to an account someone else controlled.
>>8013871
if you sell drugs you might make it. if they catch you, you can still kill yourself or play the mentally ill card.
>>8013880
That's an okay idea
as long as my bf doesn't get caught up in it
>>8013836
move to another country.
>>8013854
>>8013859
>>8013860
iktf.
i was bullied quite a lot, but i can't remember any times when they would physically hurt me.
o wait, yea, they did.
not often though.
they used threats more often.
i was threatened & insulted quite a lot.
i also remember that they didn't understand my open hostility toward being maculine
>>8013854
yep, as a freshman they took bats after me after running me over with a car.
>>8013886
then my family
is
STILL
fucked
My only options are to hurt my family or kill myself.
>>8013887
everyone always called me gay and weird
they beat me up all the time
there once was this thicc albanian girl who apparently almost broke my pinky finger by bumping into me as hard as she could
also there were these moroccan kids who put a plastic bag over me head once lol
>>8013871
>there's no way I can make the payments and keep a roof over my head
They can only take up to a maximum percentage of your income, and that percentage is reasonable. And there is a limit on how long you have to pay.
>>8013887
I was once beaten on the ground by several boys. I didn't actually remember that, my parents told me about it. A lot of stuff probably happened, but i don't exactly remember.
>>8013892
I simplified the story
the debt is my responsibility
but only about 25k is actually in my name
but all of it is either in my family's name or cosigned by my family
>>8013882
then don't involve him. if he doesn't know they can't harm him if you get caught. also don't take the stuff you sell and don't go outside looking like a drug dealer. the best way would be if you could get some customers you meet up with in private (like meetup at their house if it's safe). there are alot of people out their who have normals lifes and take drugs and are not junkies who will get you in trouble.
>3am
>>8013897
>11:57 AM
>>8013890
What does the loan contract say? Who signed it? You? Your parents? If only you signed it, then they can only collect from you. Most student loans are that way.
>>8013891
;_;
i was very weak too.
terrible people.
high schoolers are confirmed psycopaths.
now everyone in our generation claims to support lgbt rights, including the bullies.
i only wish they felt that way before.
really fucking evil when you think about it.
trans rights are just a platitude fir brownie points for those who openly harrassed & hurt femboys & trannies, so then they get to act like nothing ever happened
>>8013895
Get a legal opinion. If you suicide, they still have to pay the cosigned parts. Get an at least $100,000 insurance policy, live longer than the suicide clause, then...
Whoops.
It's 3am and I need to be awake in 5 hours :(
>>8013906
can't afford a lawyer
it's in the terms that if the beneficiary (me) dies, the loan will be discharged.
>>8013854
I got hit a few months ago, but it's mostly just verbal bullying at school
>>8013908
Vanish without a trace. Assume another identity. After so long you can be declared dead. Don't contact your family or relatives at all until you are declared dead for a good number of years.
>>8013908
>beneficiary
lol.
i can't believe bankers who can put other people into debt & usury slavery, implying themselves to be benefactors.
that makes me sick
>>8013836
>>8013908
Maybe it's a Canadian thing, but I read about someone recently who managed to have his student loans pardoned because he was unable to attend classes due to mental illness. If there is any documentation or way to substantiate your breakdowns and/or attempts to have you sent to hospital that could be an option depending on the laws and courts where you live.
umm
hype?
Unfortunately the pamphlet is entirely in german and french so I don't know how or when I'm meant to take it.
Any help?
>>8013859
>>8013860
>>8013876
>>8013887
>>8013888
>>8013913
(hugg)
>>8013921
twice a day
swallow the pill
take it with food
>>8013924
>swallow the pill
>estrofem
>>8013921
dissolve one per day under your tongue for a month at least, then go test your levels if you can
>>8013927
oh, it's the injection stuff
stick it in your leg
>>8013930
no
estrofem are pills
but you take them sublinguilly
>>8013933
I didn't think there were any pills designed for sublingual use?
>>8013935
well you were wrong
>>8013938
that happens a lot
im sorry
i'll go
>>8013902
I honestly just hate 80% of the 'people' I meet
well, i should go to bed.
i think i found another doujin to read aloud from.
i'll do that tomorrow though.
reminder that you don't have to forgive the people used to bully you in high school for being so girly, but now say they believe in lgbt rights.
call that shit out.
nini, /mtfg/
>>8013949
i would hold your hand if you wanted, fair trip.
i want to get "Please be patient, I'm AGP" embroidered on a dad hat
>>8013957
what's a dad hat
>>8013960
Tattered baseball cap.
>>8013960
like a baseball hat iirc
>>8013961
i would hold your hand :c
>MtF
>about to go on a date with another FtM
>mfw
me and Myrthe are planning to kill ourselves by heroin overdose it sounds comfy and if it doesn't work we'll just become heroin addicts and if it does our bodies aren't mangled :3
>>8013956
back OFF
>>8013969
C:
i'm feeling all giddy
hey everyone, a minutes silence for Club Penguin, for it is finally kill
>>8013968
FtM here where to find MTFs? I want one to bang and also to help me reach tall things
please don't kill yourself
>>8013978
but i have to
>>8013982
The topic was helium back then :3
>>8013982
*smooches her*
please don't
>>8013985
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>8013984
heh I didn't know that. Sounds comfy too desu
>>8013988
gimme the heroin or I marry her
Some of us are really short you know.
I'm 5'5".
>>8013992
She'd say no anyway you stupidface
>>8013995
I'm actually quite charming
*gives her a rose*
>>8013998
But she loves only me
>>8013975
Found him on OkCupid(I know >Internet dating, but I've had some success)
>Looking forward to getting my butt pounded
>Answers section reveals he's a virgin
>mfw
>>8014002
not for long
now gimme the heroin or I'll
idk
send her to live with Pence
>>8014007
I don't have heroin yet
>>8014002
Correct
>>8014007
>tfw Pence steals your tranny waifu and converts her into a straight christian soulless man who mindlessly votes for Republicans in every election
>>8014008
Sorry renren but we're planning to do it together on my birthday and die hand in hand isn't that romantic? Best birthday gift ever
>>8014005
isn't being a virgin pretty normal when you're trans
I could never have sex as a guy, I'm pretty sure it'd be too upsetting.
virginity is for losers
>>8014015
I'm not Lauren :(
I dont want you to kill yourselves too
>>8014019
Why
>>8014005
Virgins are better tho, they didn't wet their peens in some gross person, and they get all flustered and adorable
>>8014021
you are qts and I want to see you post lots of cute pictures together being cute girls in love :(
>>8014018
kill me
>>8014015
Wait you're serious?
(hugg)
please don't :(
whoa wait someone got called predatory and it wasn't me for once? that's a fucking headtrip
>>8014028
this uwu
gosh I'm excited!
>>8014028
>You have like 7.5 months of that left!
stop saying it :<
Girls!
>>>/pol/118906364
Any help?
>>8014033
huh why that's a long time!
why would you want to kill yourself when you have a gf that loves you
>>8014043
Maybe she's fat
>>8014044
neither of them are fat though
>>8014044
gosh that's rude
>>8013969
uhh believe me I get the attraction, but I've heard some not-so-good stuff about heroin OD recently in contrast to the commonly accepted narrative that it's a neutral and painless experience
it pisses me the fuck off too but it looks like the only way to suicide pleasantly would be literally to break into Dignitas or something, eep
if I met elanna I would hugg her and never let go and follow her everywhere in a hugg
>>8014047
I have a plan
it involves a shotgun to the head
>>8014051
but you can't get firearms like that in europe
>>8014052
I'm in texas
>>8014053
hmmmmm i see
>>8014028
7 months is not enough
please don't, I like both of you
Suicide is the stupidest meme
Oh fuck I can barely stand up
Pls let me call in sick
>>8014063
stop doing drugs
>>8014044
Everyone here is slowly killing themselves and I hate it.
>>8014064
??? I stopped like 8 hours ago
>>8014063
ilu elanna why are you always on here i worry about you...find a discord group or something pls bby...
>>8014068
same
>>8014069
You say this like it changes anything / is perfectly normal lmao
>>8014068
sorry, i'll try to do it faster
DO NOT KILL YOURSELF
>>8014047
my mom said she would do the heroin od and my dad said he would just go into woods and collect some firewood on a cold winter day and never come back. both seem like a ok option at least.
>>8014076
seriously tho why not?
>>8014084
i only come here to post my feelings and im not even a transitioning transgirl just a repressed lonely man who is emotional
>>8014068
I'm not, but my body is slowly failing me.
>>8014084
I don't have any other choice
If I did, I'd probably kill myself anyway
I can't deal with life
>>8014081
I almost drowned as a kid it would be a really shitty way to die. shotgun seems like good to go too but not in europe. if you just stay out while it's freezing you kinda get tired after a while. you sit down somewhere and get more tired and suddenly it becomes warm and comfy and then you can fall asleep forever.
>>8014092
does this actually happen?
:thinking:
>>8014092
shotgun is also dumb because people have to clean up your mess so it's a burden for other people
>>8014092
i don't like the cold
i don't like the hot
the water near my home was always cold
i thought drowning would be peaceful but I guess not
still kinda regret not doing it
>>8014093
yes, its why people who die from hypothermia are often found naked
they throw their clothes off because you suddenly start feeling really hot
>>8014092
I nearly drowned in the bathtub when I was 5, tfw could have avoided life
>>8014095
Lol thatd be fun knowing your family pulls up your blanket to see your dead body lying thrre
>>8014089
>>8014090
>>8014091
(hugg)
if you feel like you need someone to talk to you can add me on discord if you like
Lamana#7953
>>8014097
huh that's interesting
>>8014100
talk won't help
but you're sweet
ty
>>8014071
I'm fine pls don't worry
>>8014074
I only have enough left for one more bender
>>8014073
This is pretty normal for me
>>8014099
that's not how it would happen if you used a shotgun... they'd see pieces of your brain / guts spread about before anything, then your body. Then they'll scream and likely kill themselves too.
>>8014095
you don't have to do it at home
>>8014111
plenty of shrinks are assholes ye.
Not all of them tho.
franna is too pure to die
>>8014098
I was with family and friends at the river when I was like 6 or 7 and the water somehow pulled me away and I couldn't swim properly. I barely made it back to the shore and still can't swim today.
>>8014111
>drugs are bad
Thanks for the helpful tip
>>8014121
elannas are good
>>8014117
but we want to
>>8014124
please don't :(
(hugg)
>>8014124
not allowed
at least get married first
>>8014118
I was with my dad and his girlfriend once (like 5 years ago, I was 18), he went to swim to a buoy that was far, I decided to follow him.
I almost drowned because I got so tired from all the swimming. Thankfully tho i managed to swim back ashore and pass out on the beach
It was pretty interesting and scary
>>8014124
well too bad. no death for you
The death meme is only for people who deserve it.
>>8014106
i like to worry about you tho :3
I dont like worrying but it makes me feel parental or something idk
Why does everyone suddenly pretend to care
>>8014122
Not true.
Elannas are shit
>>8014130
I worry more about you to be honest..
>>8014132
you're really cute and I'd miss you
>>8014132
People always did lmao.
They usually pretend not to care, and act like edgelords because it's 4chan. But they care
>>8014128
yeah passing out can be interesting sometimes. I passed out at my uncles place when we did a bbq last year. I saw a world map, jumped into it, went through a dark tunnel until I saw the light and then I woke up on the ground.
>>8014132
pure transbian love shall not perish from the earth
>>8014133
theres nothing to worry about sweetpea :3 well all make it famalam.
>>8014140
Idk I've gotten the impression you've been not entirely stable lately
Repression can really break a person you really should stop..
>>8014146
hugg
>>8014132
I always cared I just didn't know you were suicidal.
you're a good person, and I'd hate to see you kill yourself
(hugg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpoOjoiYcWY
uwu
>>8014154
please don't kill yourself hugg
d e p r e s s e d
>>8014172
oh hey it's snickers
(hugg)
>>8013973
rip
I'm just a drain on my family and a bother to everyone
>>8014188
:(
(hugg)
>watching scary alien stuff on YouTube on my phone
>wew spooky
>suddenly my Xbox turns on by itself, no voice command installed
This is how I die
How do I eat food
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BobA5ujHkvU
My parents hate me because I don't have a job
and my sister called me thoughtless
>Torn between continuing transitioning and giving up
>Want to give up because I have no real hope but I know that if I detrans I'll regret it
what the fuck
>>8014203
Get a job, give more thought to those around you
how the heck do I take estrofem the leaflet is entirely in german/french
>>8014206
I would be able to relax if boobs weren't scary
headache
>>8014210
Learn French if you're FtM, German if you're MtM. Simple.
>>8014146
Its more than that but also the root of it all in a weird way.
.at least im a bear so i could probably find a lonely daddy to love me and treat me like a girl :3
>>8014214
> MtM
Hmm
>>8014214
I'm neither I'm a girl >_>
Hey girls, maybe some of you should move to Germany, Belgium or Ireland. Things are much more brighter for transwomen there. In Belgium they even pay back face-feminization-surgery. Also the surgeons are considered among the best in the world.
>>8014221
do they?
hmmm so there IS something positive to living in this non-country
>>8014215
Of course it all stems from that.
You can really only reach a certain level of life satisfaction when you're trying to hammer a square peg into a round hole.
Please don't be one of those cases where you have to have a shotgun in your mouth before you finally decide to take charge of your life.
Im scared of ghosts
>>8014226
I wont kill myself mommy :3 even when i want to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZJFgkMD1nk
S C A R E D
C
A
R
E
D
>>8013975
I'd like to date a ftm but I'm not that tall >.>
you ever feel like you're having a really slow, drawn out mental breakdown?
>>8014221
germany sucks if you live in bumfuck nowhere tho.
>>8014232
> even when i want to
Oh, maki
>>8014238
basicly my life now for ten years
>>8014230
Ghost aren't real, what you should be scared of is ALIENS
>>8014247
Let's make a pillow fort
>>8014244
but aliens are just like us but from another planet
and ghost are just dead people who are probably nice
just took first dose of e
yay
>>8014250
Planet Transexual in the galaxy of Transylvania?
Am I making a mistake considering entirely detransitioning? I just don't see myself ever passing with these shoulders or body...
unsee.
cc/zonetisa/
>>8014255
Detransitioning is always a mistake. Don't unless life forces you to.
>>8014255
I believe in you Peach, I think you could be passable.
>>8014244
I watched too much Ghost Adventures and I believe in ghosts and I hope I get spooked irl one day
>>8014258
but I could go back to life as a qt boy and not have to face destroying my life... It's not a life or death thing for me even if my dysphoria definitely made my life worse. Me thinking that I look like a monster and/or knowing I'm unpassable would definitely make me have a lower quality of life than just not transitioning at all...
>>8014255
Detransitioningis always a mistake
And my body is muc much much worse
There's no benefit of detransing
Also, body shape doesn't mean much. There are tall and beautiful cis women. Pic related.
>>8014255
your body is fine
>detransitioning over vanity
>>8014267
Proof of tall large beautiful cis women is the actress who plays Brienne of Tarth in Game Of Thrones. Y'all need to look her up because she's cis and an inspiration
>>8014272
I'm considering detransitioning over the very existent reality that looking a certain way determines a lot in life, and that being trans and not passing closes a LOT of opportunities for you.
>>8014277
Your body is fine and I'd kill to have it
Don't be a dummy
>>8014273
That's cis confidence. That doesent apply to trannies
>>8014267
>>8014273
Tall women got their tiddies in your face when you dance.
>>8014283
Does that mean I'm a cis woman?
>>8014277
[spoiler]Passing is fucking easy[/spoiler]
>>8014281
^this
>>8014263
dysphoria doesn't go away, it gets worse
it seems difficult right now but you're young and your body is fine
>>8014277
being confident and not superficial opens doors you never knew were there
>>8014281
>buffalo cindy
>>8014259
my lyft driver yesterday was named Andrea
do you put the emphasis on the second syllable? i like saying it that way
>>8014273
>>8014277
>>8014267
pic
>>8014283
I'm sure she's been called a tranny plenty of times despite being cis. But as you can see, if you have a large body you can still pass.
>>8014284
And for a manlet like you, that applies to any woman over 5'4". Not that they'd dance with you anyway.
I want to die
>>8014293
me too sometimes
>>8014290
dysphoria lessens the more you go through transitioning. I'm 3 years in with hormones and I feel a lot less dysphoria.
>>8014288
Cis women also have big shoulders.
>>8014293
the trick is to fake confidence and achieve your goals until you just pass away naturally
just focus on being awesome and all your dreams will come true
best way to die is by being happy and successful
>>8014297
I'm a bit more than three years in, and between SRS and the confidence boost I experienced last year, I'm pretty much dysphoria free.
>>8014291
k I still don't know why you're focusing on height because I never mentioned it
>>8014290
>being confident and not superficial opens doors you never knew were there
> not superficial
I'm too much of a narcissist to do that. Also, I wouldn't really consider not wanting to consider yourself to be hideous superficiality.
I want to make the decision that will make me as happy as possible, and I'm just not sure if transitioning is that path anymore... If only there a way to be certain
>>8014298
cherry picking: the movie
she doesn't look good
How is everyone awake it's 930??? Take a nap u sleepy fools
>>8014292
I got 99 problems but my height aint one.
Whats got your panties in a twist anyways, I'm just trying to spread some positive mental attitude for the Long Joan Silvers ITT.
>>8014306
Your body
Is fine
Stop it before I start sadposting
>>8014308
It's 1517, actually.
>>8014304
I'm gonna have ffs in a few months (June or July then another 3 months after).
And srs -in Lyon is where they do it best in france- in is 3 or 2.5 years.
I'm sure I'll be dysphoria free after
>>8014306
Because height and taking place (large shoulders) is what plenty of people worry about, me included.
>>8014297
yeah, sorry, context was DEtransitioning >>8014263
>>8014306
i can assure you basing your self-worth on your appearance is a plan to ensure you're never
>as happy as possible
after a certain point your body/skin/face just get worse every day regardless of what you do
there are cis women of all shapes and sizes: the ones who don't learn to accept their bodies just get morbidly obese and yell at mcdonald's employees
>>8014308
I'm waiting for my boss to come in so I can call in sick I'd really rather be sleeping
>>8014317
ye, sorry, I was explaining detransitioning is stupid because you can be a qt girl and have the dysphoria lessen, by transitioning.
>>8014290
How much emphasis?
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0wXHCIPYCE3
pls no voice bullying
>>8014317
>there are cis women of all shapes and sizes: the ones who don't learn to accept their bodies just get morbidly obese and yell at mcdonald's employees
THe ones who don't learn to accept their bodies become obsessed with fitness tho
>>8014316
Well, I guess Morel-Journel is the lesser evil in France, compared to butchers like Revol. I still would have chosen no SRS over SRS from him, before even factoring in his backwards gatekeeping team.
>>8014324
Yep. Morel-Journel is the one who's gonna do my surgery. And he's really nice.
iunno, his team was really accepting of me, not gatekeeping once.
>>8014317
How do I not base self worth on appearance
It hurts
>>8014329
Just don't?
>>8014321
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0cEJOTDNH3N
my voice is terrible i need to start training/having friends to talk with
>>8014323
some? but most just give in to depression and put on the fat armor and the ones that don't get eating disorders.. typically at best hospitalized from orthorexia?
really the ones successfully working out all the time have confidence and are seeking self-actualization
>>8014329
spend your time developing a skill or passion, you have to get out of your head and then give yourself a metric to judge your success based on something other than the mirror
it's hard, i'm not there yet
>>8014336
>deep resonant chest voice
um don't listen to my vocaroo
>>8014336
>http://vocaroo.com/i/s0cEJOTDNH3N
what the heck you genuinely sound like some guy off an advertisement
what are you trying to sell me
>>8014337
everyone starts off bad
you have to believe in yourself, set milestones and goals and work toward them. but expect to fail
failure is how you grow, if you just succeeded all the time you'd never need to work to get better
>>8014339
>you genuinely sound like some guy
:/
>>8014344
I didn't mean it like that >_>
(hugg)
sorry
ily goat anon
>>8014328
Well, I had to deal with French gatekeepers when I was 18. Wrecked my first transition because anything under 25 was too young for them. I certainly hold a grudge and I've transitioned on my own this time around. No "official" teams involved.
Spooky things
>>8014346
Too bad those surgeons cant patch up that ugly personality of yours.
>>8014346
All the shrinks I've seen (outside of Morel-Journel's team) were gatekeepers.
The team's shrinks aren't gatekeepers but I've had to write my whole life on 3 pages to explain I'm trans, it was kind of annoying. But now I'm on a waiting list.
It was relatively easy.
>>8014344
>failure is how you grow, if you just succeeded all the time you'd never need to work to get better
on the flip side, success is addicting as hell. you get a little endorphin rush when you do something to feel accomplished. So either you learn from failures or you feel good from success. Win win
Am I trans because I was kicked in the balls too many times
>>8014354
I don't like chasers. Nobody will change that.
>>8014336
I'm so unmotivated tho
and any time I try to do something I can't focus on it
>>8014344
I guess
I'm not really interested in anything though
I just want to be pretty desu
It's always the first thing on my mind
Im just gonna give hrt and effort a couple years to fix my atrocious body and see about it then
I'd rather focus on doing just good enough in school than get a skill rn
am I the only one who supports gatekeepers?
>>8014365
I don't know if this'll help motivate you but
Do well in school and you can get into a good college, do well in college and you can get a good job, hold down that job a while and you can afford any surgery to make yourself prettier. So basically study hard and you'll for sure be pretty some day.
>>8014370
Well professionals who are doubtful is for a good reason. It's so random people who aren't actually trans can't transition. - And also to make sure the trans person knows what she's doing
But random ass gatekeepers are dumb
>>8014370
I've never had any issues with them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEA5Xuc4-a4
>>8014365
well you could work on makeup skillz and do teachings vids on yt/insta?
start a fashion blog and be the trans tavi gevinson
you can be confident in yourself and develop skills for prettification without basing your self-worth on your physical appearance
none of this is to suggest your appearance doesn't matter: hygiene and presentation contribute greatly to my self-care and you can typically judge how well i'm doing by how much effort i'm willing/able to put into it
but the appearance follows from my feeling of self-worth, not the other way around
>>8014363
>>8014365
desu y'all that's the big conundrum with depression
it's a trap that's difficult to escape
i'd recommend making a little self-care plan and making a set of small achievable goals then working through those. build towards more significant things, one step at a time
you'll be pretty amazed what you can do if you give yourself the structure to avoid the overwhelming nature of inward criticism
>>8014362
I dont like you either but the point still stands.
And I aint chasing nobody, even though I have so many lovely gals to pick from, such as angry bulldykes like yourself. I really dont understand how I am able to restrain myself in such lavishly tempting company.
>>8014380
I'm not really the type to do videos or anything like that
I'm more bothered by things makeup won't help
Like my entire upper body
If it doesn't get better I'll probably just kms desu
There's no way I can focus on anything else as it is
It's very consuming
>>8014386
>I'm more bothered by things makeup won't help
silly cindy, the point isn't to fix/hide the things that bother you, it's to gain confidence in your technical ability and take your mind off criticizing the things you can't change
it doesn't have to be videos or even public, my suggestions are bad in that respect. it's about working on something that puts the focus on things you can change and control instead of on inherent qualities you have no reasonable way of influencing
>>8014370
>tfw you're your biggest gatekeeper
lucky i guess
>>8014365
>I'd rather focus on doing just good enough in school than get a skill rn
this is good too
>>8014394
If I can't change my body, if it won't change
I'm going to kill myself, period
It's so bad
It's actually ridiculous
I'd say from what I've seen I have one of the worst bodies here
I don't really care to change other things
They don't matter nearly as much to me
If I can live a couple more years with the delusion that hrt will fix me I'll take that
>>8014405
You mean you don't look like a cute asian?
I swear to fuck if I see another young transitioner bitching about their body
gimme all ur money
>>8014405
>15 yo
>lucky enough to transition so young
>Is actually passable and attractive
>"I'm going to kill myself"
Stop this... please
>>8014405
Cindy I'm not hugboxing when I say you look cute and you're probably going to end up passing the best out of pretty much everyone here.
I know dysphoria is cruddy, and I don't blame you for BDD being a jerk, but I genuinely do think there is hope for you.
(hugg)
you're gonna make it Cinders
>>8014405
your body is changing (you're still a baby!), also you have dysmorphia
focus on developing other aspects of your life until it stops and then make your judgment
you can't put everything on hold for the next decade
>>8014409
babe you know it's not about you
i probably have the worst body here but it doesn't hurt me to hear about other people's bdd
>>8014409
But you look good. Besides being Canadian.
>>8014409
ikr? up there with nim complaining about shoulders
>>8014408
I don't look like a female
I don't even look like a male my age
I look like a huge man
>>8014409
Age doesn't mean shit if my body is already fucked
>>8014416
Maybe my face is fine
But my body is a whole different issue
It's nowhere near acceptable
>>8014418
I've never posted my body, it's not okay
>>8014421
But my body won't shrink
My ribcage won't completely change shape will it? My shoulders probably won't change much at all either
Its not something that will massively change
>>8014421
>i probably have the worst body here
Your up against some stiff competition missy.
>>8014428
don't mention nim and shoulders in the same sentence you'll summon and induce her rage
>>8014429
I mean, you've posted yourself in PJs and stuff and from what I could tell you looked fine, and you still have a load of changes to look forward to.
You're even gonna end up with hips, trust me, you're gonna make it. Hang in there.
>>8014434
My body is an inverted cone
That won't change
>>8014429
Just because you don't have bobbies yet doesn't mean your body is bad o:
You seemed pretty thin -no large shoulders or anything- so that's a plus already
Your puberty hasn't finished yet and you're transitioning. You'll stop the bad effects of male puberty before they even happen
>>8014430
probably my bdd talking tbqh
but i look like your pic and i'll need a body lift before i'll ever look good nekkid
also it's gonna be hard for me not to put on a ton of weight while i'm here, this place is depressing and upsetting
>>8014424
Iirc being Canadian effectively means I have a busted up flappy head.
>>8014429
>I look like a huge man
No you do not.
In all likelihood you look like yet another borderline anorexic with long hair and slight case of gyno.
>>8014434'
I had no idea nim's shoulders were that yuuge.
>>8014437
You are a male and that won't change too, yet here we are.
You gotta have faith.
>>8014437
you'll grow hips which will balance things out and even if you don't get super significant growth it's ok to have wideish shoulders
you're tiny, it'll all be finy.
(hugg)
>>8014447
she seems to think they are.
whether that's the truth or it's just BDD talking she hates her shoulders and entire threads have devolved in to autism on account of emi's shoulder posting
>>8014450
I'm not tiny
My upper torso is disgustingly huge
>>8014447
>In all likelihood you look like yet another borderline anorexic with long hair and slight case of gyno.
Yikes. I had no idea I was this much of a stereotype
>>8014453
What size do you wear?
I have to wear a women's medium :(
>>8014440
>probably my bdd talking tbqh
You have to own your craziness. And hit the gym fatty.
You being crazy does not affect the laws of thermodynamics.
>>8014446
It could be worse. You could be from the UK.
>>8014449
>I'm not okay with being male
You don't say?
>>8014449
>I'm not okay with being male
Tooo fuckinnng baaaaaad
Sorry I'm sadposting again like 12 hours after I said I'd try to stop
But I can't help but be triggered by someone talking about detransing over a perfect body that I would literally do ANYTHING for
>>8014453
I don't believe that, if it really is the case then your PJs hid it well.
>>8014449
Didn't seem like it from the pictures you posted yesterday.
You're definitely not ruined by genetics lmao.
Me having an italian jew nose and my lower jaw protruding a lot. /that/ is ruined by genetics
>>8014450
It's always the things that you have absolutely no control over.
>>8014454
Yeah well most trannies are.
>>8014453
>disgustingly huge
Have you ever thought taking up power lifting?
>>8014459
Who triggered you that hard?
And there are no perfect bodies.
>>8014465
My dad always told me I had a perfect body for power lifting
>>8014462
Shieeeet, you can open a can with that nose.
>>8014463
>You have a perfect body and a vagina, you're not male anymore
>>8014470
lmoa, right?
thank fuck I'm gonna get ffs soon tho
>>8014477
Dadface is delusional
I wouldn't be fine with that
I don't want to be sad and angry anymore okay let's stop
>>8014463
Lmfaoo
Of course I'm still a fucking male, don't be daft
>>8014474
yeah that pic was me lol.
It's okay, my nose has always been something I hated.
When I was 11 I had surgery to make my ears less protruding. Genetics were not kind on me.
>>8014478
I would like to point out that there is a fine line about being self-critical and having a full blown BDD blowout.
>>8014481
Yeah let's go back to posting anime girls.
This is the same meltdown every day, cindy get therapy
>>8014495
I am getting therapy and it's not helping
>>8014495
cindy is basically the friend I always wished I had, so I'm sad she's acting like this... (and im jealous of her so eh)
>>8014481
have you tried being yourself
i'm up again.
i think i slept only for 2 or 3 hours
>>8014409
what's the point of age if your body is fucked
>>8014499
I want to stop but I was reminded about my body and it hurts
"Elanna I think you might have a drug problem"
Rly?
New thread
>>8014523
>>8014486
Then why transition if you not deluding yourself
There's a word for being a self aware tranny
It's called repression