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What are some cool and interesting clone builds I could do with this?

>>32853180
>IO clone

>>32853240
wat

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>>32853266
Clone a io inc ak.

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I now have 8 magazines, but I still don't have an AK yet. The sight of them torments me, but the deals were too good to pass up.

>>32853384
y tho

>>32853408
Because you can only clone a american ak with an american ak.

>>32852950
Does anybody make a replacement stock for left side folders, that has adjustable LOP?

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Give

>>32853438
So are you like one those guys that say AR clones aren't correct unless they have a full auto Colt receiver?

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>>32853386
I'll trade you a 45 round bake for two plums
>even put in a free box of tula .308 4 u

>>32853466
Really ?
Thats ugly as fuck imo , but i guess it would be cool.

>>32853478
Chrome line hammer forged barrel is a must for a clone, except yugo but still hammer forged. If you going to "clone" a rifle autism is a must.

>>32853458
ZenitCo PT-1 or PT-3

Manticore Arms AK Flush Fit Side Fold Adapter

>>32853458
Jmac makes a adapter so you can use a m4 tube and stock.

Manticore makes a tube adapter combo that has a cutout for side rails. Allows for a slimmer folded profile.

Neither of these options will allow a folded stock to latch to the front of the receiver.

>>32853386
I'm at like 27 or so mags because I keep wanting nicer ones. Still waiting on my build to be finished.

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>>32853525
It's better then some of the versions, I'd still prefer this one though.

>>32853605
Oh my... that i like. I hope one day they will be availibe for sale in the US .

>>32853466
That AR-type selector on the right side seems like it'd be uncomfortable if it goes down past the receiver wall. There's a reason most AR ambi selectors have 1 short/1 long switch, and why selectors are the single most popular aftermarket part for the Scorpion Evo.

>>32853466
that looks front heavy even for an AK.

>>32853264
>>32853354
>There aren't many "cheap" options currently as demand for ak's are high.
ahh, lame. I think I'll just wait a while and hope to get something on sale.

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I decided I'm just gonna buy some green Kvar/Arsenal furniture and use the wood furniture and my spare Arsenal FCG as an excuse to build up a PSA barreled receiver.

>>32853773
That shit is just hideous

>>32853802
I heard you the first few times don't worry.

>>32853802
not him, but i dont think its that bad. to each his own.

>>32853802
Don't listen to this guy, it's beautiful.

Just keep a flash hider in your kit for night ops.

>>32853807
My first time actually. Question. Why spend the money for an ak with a side folder just to replace it with an m4 stock

>>32853826
So it can fold and be adjustable?

>>32853773
>green Kvar/Arsenal furniture
They haven't made OD furniture in years.
Good luck.

>>32853826
I did it originally so I could have a more comfortable shooting position compared to the triangle but I found the triangle+GP25 recoil pad is a perfect length for me anyway. I don't even have that AR adapter anymore.

>>32853855
What does the rifle look like now ?

>>32853853
http://www.k-var.com/shop/AK-404GUS.html

So /akg/ I am getting a GP WASR 10/63 with the g2 trigger and muzzlebrake, 5 mags loaded, and a soft case w/ pouches. I found out my tax return is a little more than I thought so I will have about 550 left over alone from that...

What should I get?

Should I just get rid of the wood and put all the rails and all, or just get donger and ammo?

Another gun?

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>>32853865
Like I said I'm still either gonna make the wood hand guard fit or go green instead and save the wood for something else.

>>32853907
>or just get donger and ammo?
This is only option.
Or get a Bulgy Mak and ammo with the extra cash.

>>32853866
Well I'll be damned.
There's a stock too.

http://www.k-var.com/shop/AK-008GUSW.html

I was going off of memory of this thread, and was looking at "stock sets" on kvar, which all the OD look to be OOS.
>But you can buy a whole set, just seperately
Fucking kvar.

>It's about OD sidefolders
http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=172178

My bad, carry on.

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>>32853525
Boy do I sure just love those Chrome lined cold hammer forged barrels!

>>32853865
Hey Daewoo, how much did you pay for your rommy folder on your SAR-1? ive got an SAR-2 that i want to put one on.

>>32854091
why uh...is...that not centered?

>>32853917
Much better man.

>>32854151
Because some Bulgarian had too much to drink and fucked it up while cold hammer forging it, than some druggie at Arsenal Las Vegas saw it and decided not to scrap it.

>>32854151
It's that famous slav quality.

>>32854151
This is why you always inspect every rifle regardless of what factory it comes from.

>>32854131
I over paid for mine at 130$ but i need a specific type(button) in a timely mannner. Lever stocks and are much cheaper like 80$.

>>32853907
Get a nice steel target a cool mag or two and ammo

>>32853180
I thought about getting a Russian FS/GB, having someone competent rout the gas correctly for it, cut the barrel down to proper size, get a smooth dust cover, and have a 5.5 trunnion installed in order to make an AK104 pistol, but that's a lot of cash and time just to have an incorrect 104 clone.

For the amount of time and cash spent, I figured that I'd rather just do it right with a parts kit, a better receiver and a polish barrel.

>>32853438
Rifle is fine

>>32854330
If you're going to fret over details like Russian vs Bulgarian FSGB, or 5.5mm vs 4.5mm hinge, then it's a complete waste of effort to do this on anything less than a 7.62 Saiga

>>32854385
Yeah, but I live in a shitty state that doesn't allow SBRs, so I have to start with a virgin receiver. My 7.62 Saiga will be a 103 clone
>some day

>>32854385
>>32854403
Also, I'm super artistic about some things like proper gas block, rear trunnion and dust cover. Most of the other shit could be overlooked.

>>32854256
Would an East German one work with an SAR?

>>32854482
I believe they fit standard akm rear trunions but i do not have any personal experience with the east germans stocks.

Best ammo for a Wasr 10/63 to buy in bulk? Practice, hog and deer hunting???

>>32854592
The cheapest shit you can find.

>>32854626
I second the cheapest shit

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XM177E2 clone comes in tomorrow afternoon

I hope the excitement of waiting for it to arrive is as great as the excitement of actually getting it

>>32854256
Nigga why you always overpaying for everything?? An under folder is next on my AK list (on the fence about Romanian or BFPU Yugoslav build) and I'm pretty excited to see yours once you get it back

>>32854626
i third the cheapest shit

>>32854592
For hunting look for something non Russian and soft pointed for the rest cheap shit.

>>32854652
Im a impatient nigger. Sometimes my want overrides my capacity to wait for a better deal.

Just talked to the smith today said should be done soon. Im really excited.

>>32854663
Different anon.
But what SP ammo is best?

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>>32854652
>it never is

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>>32854766
That's why I'm looking forward to my FAL build. I got quite a while of anticipation and having the kit before I can really get a receiver, sit down, and build it.

>>32854766
The first time though, that first few are bretty gud

>>32854696
>Sometimes my want overrides my capacity to wait for a better deal
I know how it is, I paid $100 (!!!) for my first faceted brake because I was so impatient

>>32854766
pls stop don't remind me

>>32854806
I have a feeling builds will be different though, the excitement of acquiring parts over time and eventually building a rifle will accumulate with each part you pick up

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>>32854696
Don't mean to rag but I can never understand this. Prolly cause I'm a jew but I don't buy shit if I'm not getting a deal somehow

Probably why it takes me so long to fucking get anything
>also i'm poor but refuse to settle on anything

What scope and mount makes the best substitute for a PSO-1? Preferably for less than the cost of a PSO-1.

>>32854923
>less than the cost of a pso-1
>costs 350 at a maximum, 250-300 if you shop around

Nigger they're rare not expensive

>>32854758
Depends which shoots best out of your gun buy a number of brands and test.

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Should I be buying a grip screw and shit or will my Saiga already have a proper one?

>>32854974
Saiga is converted, so it should have a grip screw and T-nut. If not, they're like $5.

>>32854990
Yeah I'm gonna go ahead and just order that when I order an upper handguard tension thing just to be safe.

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>>32854806
Putting things together is probably the real highlight for me. I wish I had more reason to build stuff. I was a Lego kid.
>>32854807
Absolutely, that's the high you end up chasing
>>32854862
>maybe this one will give me purpose
>>add to cart

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>>32855092
>i still enjoy every purchase i make, and always play with that item for a while before rotating it in or out of use

A-am I headed for a bad time?

>>32855092
>Putting things together is probably the real highlight for me. I wish I had more reason to build stuff. I was a Lego kid.
Same. I need to get myself the tools to build an AK (and other guns) and start doing that.

>>32855121
As do I, but it feels more and more like I'm using it as an outlet to look for happiness

>>32855092
Get into AK building don't stop till it's perfect and your autism is satisfied

>>32855146
Oh... Then yea I actually understand what you're saying then. One of the few times where I can say I'm genuinely happy is getting something new in the mail

>>32855146
Something has to make you happy. If aks and gun building/collecting is it then exploit it for what its worth.

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Should I or should I not? I really want a 105 underfolder but still undecided. Thoughts?

>>32855181
Check your funds, somehow I had a completely wrong account linked. Sorry bout that!

>>32855220
I think that's missing something

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>>32855092
>Absolutely, that's the high you end up chasing
>maybe this one will give me purpose
>add to cart
I know these feels all too well. Half the time I feel like I'm spending money on stuff just so whenever I find someone to share anything with I can say "look, I've already got all this stuff we can use!"

In reality it's more like I'm spending money to chase a high and keep myself busy lest the crushing loneliness set in.

What are the best 30-round 47 mags to stockpile?

>>32855319
Depends who you ask, some say steel some say polymer/bakelite.

Just bought a saiga for a pretty decent price yesterday, but it's my first 5.45..... Where the fuck do I get ammo that won't break me?

>>32855223
Wait what ?

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>>32855220
Stuck between a AMD 65 stock,underfolder or fixed stock. Still need a barrel and headspace gauges and should have it done. 16inch barrel with a barrel cover of course.

>>32855410
Why not side folding ?

>>32855426
I like the 100 series sidefolder but it's too much of a hassle to do and I already have spare amd 65 and underfolder stocks and I kinda want something different. I really like the look of the wood furniture and bakelite grip with a 45rnd bake mag just can't commit to it yet :(

>>32855260

YOU SEE, IVAN WHEN YOU OF SHOOTING GUARDHANDS DONT HOT BECAUSE NO BARREL TO BE TOUCHED!

>>32855426
Payment resent. Correct email this time...

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>>32855410
THEY BOTH LOOK REALLY GOOD FML

>>32853503
Why don't you just buy some plums from Legion? They're cheap as fuck.

https://www.legionusa.com/izhmash-5.45-x-39-magazine.html

>>32855553
I think underfolders look 10x better than that. I'm not a huge fan of wire stocks as it is, since I owned a VZ2008 and its' factory folding stock is aids.

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>>32855563
Because if I'm gonna spend money on mags I'll buy them overseas and wait my 40 days so I can buy a dozen for 6 bucks each

Also I've said before I'm trying not to spend any money cause car problems. I don't have to feel guilty if I do a trade tho

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>>32855146
you never really want an object, you only want the wanting

>>32855578
I really like the underfolder but I wonder later on down the road if it'll bend or get really sloppy and loose but it looks really good. Screw it I'm doing it, will post pics when finished (:

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Finished everything I wanted to do to my M92 PAP! I'm still waiting to see what all might be done with the NFA laws before legally SBR'ing it. But for now, we /loophole/.

>>32855592
>Also I've said before I'm trying not to spend any money cause car problems
How the fuck was I supposed to know?

>>32855634
Do you have other AK's? My decision came down to a Maadi ARM converted to an underfolder or a BNIB Saiga, I got the Saiga and I'm gonna get the front end done properly but I did love the ARM with the underfolder. Just didn't want an underfolder as my only AK because of what you said.

>>32855641
Cause I've been saying that everytime someone asks me that for like a week?

Does anyone have a Donger they want to sell or sharkfin??? Paypal ready!

>>32855647
Do you honestly think I frequent every thread and read every post here? Did you forget to turn on your trip, asshole? How would I even know you were the same dude if I had visited every thread?

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I'm pretty much done with my AR build and I'm interested in building/buying my first ever AK. I know next to nothing about AKs and they're current market though.

1. What are some good AK brands?
2. Should I buy a complete rifle or build my own like an AR?
3. Should I get an AK in 5.56/.223 so I can get cheap ammo and more importantly use one caliber across both weapons?
4. Any additional advice?

>>32855681
>How would I even know you were the same dude if I had visited every thread?

Cause you woulda seen it every time I posted it since like a week and some ago :^

Not my fault if you don't put 2 and 2 together or waste all your time on a Mandalorian .png discussion forum

>>32855697
1. Not Century _built_ (some of their imports, like WASR's, are fine) or I.O., probably not DDI

2. Unless you have a press and welding experience buy complete or a PSA barreled receiver

3. Personal preference, I don't like having two guns of the same caliber just because I like variety. 7.62 and 5.45 aren't any more expensive than 5.56

4. Avoid Century _built_ and I.O. Prepare to pay 3x+ more for AK mags than you do for AR mags.

5. Avoid Century _built_ and I.O.

>>32855697
>they're current market
Their*, fuck.

>>32855697
1. Arsenal, WASR, Saiga
2. Good luck building an AK.
3. No, get 5.45 or 7.62.
4. If you want a nice entry-level 7.62, I'd recommend Arsenal's new SLR-107-11. Don't get a 5.56 AK as the mags are much harder to find and usually pretty shitty.

>>32855645
I have a Polish akm that I built from a parts kit and I have three parts kits that I'm working on,the bulgarian ak74 underfolder I posted,a Hungarian ak63d that will have a 103 style front end with an amd 65 stock and a numbers matching 1969 izhmash akm parts kit that will be all original. Yeah an underfolder as a primary is kinda iffy but I'm doing it cause I have other ak's otherwise I probably wouldn't lol

>>32855738
Yeah I'll probably go with an underfolder once I buy another AK because they look sweet, just wouldn't want one as primary. I definitely say go for it if you have others.

I've found Tapco mags for sale for $5 each. Should I buy some just to have some shitty range mags, or should I just save my money for some more bakelites?

>>32855749
Definitely will,I'll be back with pics once it's finished (:

>>32855777
It's five bucks man what do you have to lose? They'll probably be okay for range use.

>>32855777
They're 30 round 5.45 mags by the way.

>>32855697
1. Arsenal, WASR, VEPR, SAIGA, PSA
2. Buy complete, unless you have a 20 ton press. AKs don't go together like ARs do.
3. Buy a 7.62x39 for your first AK. 5.45 and 5.56 mags are rarer and more expensive. 7.62 ammo is cheaper than 5.56.
4. Lurk moar

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Does anyone have a Donger they want to sell or sharkfin??? Paypal ready!


Looking everywhere and can't find any, AKfiles hasn't accepted yet.

>>32855697

Arsenal, Zastava, WASR, Saiga are the only brands/types you should be looking at. I own all but a Saiga. My M70 (Zastava) gets shot the most. Really fun and rugged. Arsenal does my long range stuff. WASR is just there for backup. It was my first AK.

2. Buy complete parts. AK's are a bitch to build in America. By no means impossible, but much harder than it was to build your AR.

3. Since you have an AR, sure. It'd only be useful for ammo & mag swapping. But be warned of getting anything in 5.56 in a SBR AK. The ballistics are absolute shit with it.

I had no AR stuff so I went 7.62. The ammo tends to be cheaper, too. And nearly all AK's eat Tulammo just fine.

5. Do it, nigga! You won't look back, AK's are fun as fuck.

>>32855706
Haven't seen shit about you and your situation, get a trip and then claim your story. I am fucking hated but I identify myself at the least. Who the fuck follows your story?

Some guy on arms list is offering a WASR for 550. Is this a good price? I don't really know what they usually go for.

>>32855818
If the sights aren't canted and shit, it's an alright price. They go for about $670 new nowadays.

>>32855818
>>32855822
^ what he said. Offer $500.

>>32855818
Where at?

>>32855852
New Hampshire

>>32855822
>>32855840
Alright. I might jump on it, thanks for the quick replies

>>32855777

Meh. I bought 14 Yugo BHO mags from J&G Sales for $7 a piece. Quality mags with BHO that you won't have to baby. All but one of mine were in fantastic condition. That one that wasn't? Looked like it was kicked from Kosovo to Moscow and back. Still functions just fine and it's the magazine I keep loaded at all times in case I need to operate. Don't want to ruin the springs on my other mags.

I'd skip Tapcos and just buy metal for range work.

>>32855885
These mags sill available? Where'd you find them?

Wow budsgunshop seems to only carry AKs made by Century. What gives? No Wasrs, arsenals, or saigas.

>>32855904

Read my post again.
I just checked, it looks like the price went back up to $9 a pop. Still not bad for Yugos.

>>32855924

It's not them, it's the supplier.


>t. FFL and gunstore manager

>>32855924
refer to >>32855958

>>32855950
Dude, those are 7.62 mags.

So where's a good place to buy new AKs online at a reasonable cost? My local tiny gun shop never has anything in stock but they do FFL transfers.

>>32855924
Budsgunshop is fucking shit thats why. Same with Classic Firearms.

Buds is worse.

>>32855805
They're like 20 bucks on AKFiles

Do you want some help contacting one of them?

>>32855812
He asked how he would know and I told him, not my fault you're too autistic to understand bantz or the context anything is said tho

What's the word on DDI American made AKs? Their fenocite treatment sounds cool but kinda gimmicky.

>>32855805
Arsenal has a 2 dong, 2 grip and 2 stock set on sale for 45 bucks right now

>>32856117
Broken extractors, tight inoperable actions, etc

>>32856098
Not my fault you are an entitled fucktard who thinks people should stitch context together amongst countless anon users.

Enjoy enjoy being an asshat. I love you ;)

>>32856122
>Arsenal
Atlantic
FTFY

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http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-rifles/c39-v2-milled-ak-magpul-moe-with-rail-detail.html?Itemid=0

Should I, for a first time AK buyer?

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>>32856336
yeah totally dude

>>32856336
>every fucking thread

Yea dude buy it

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>>32856346
Holy shit that's bad.

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-rifles/cai-ak-47-wasr-10-7-62x39mm-rifle-detail.html?Itemid=0

What about this WASR-10? Seems pretty cheap so I'm not sure about the quality

>>32856354
WASRs are gtg

>>32856098
yes I would like some help anon

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>>32856398
Find one you like while you wait http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=291167&highlight=dong

Email me at [email protected] and I'll drop this dude whatever contact info you want me to give him so he can contact you

are AKs ever going to be cheap again? I sold my wasr during hard times and I need to replace it soon.

>>32855996
Atlantic

>>32856462
>are AKs ever going to be cheap again?
Nope. Now that the sellers know what we're willing to pay, there's no way they're gonna drop below 600 again.
Unless the AK market becomes flooded like the AR market, but that just means more US made junk.

>>32856480
figured as much...
might as well break for it (again) I guess.

>>32856492
also I want to kill myself. never sell a good gun!

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>>32856430
>[email protected]
Emailed and all thanks

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Where my SkS-Ak's at!?

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>>32856522

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Are my pets ready to remove Kebab??

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6sh112

yay or nay.

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>>32856594
Yes :^

If you are gonna look at them look into the upgrades made from the 112 to 116 to 117, causing having owned both the 116 does give some nice quality of life with the belt

>>32856594
>only goes up to 59 F
Does that not have a spring/summer uniform?

>>32856506
I'm trying to sell a gen 1 PSAK right now.
And then proabably buy a gen 2 with the cash I get.

>>32856594
i'd say get 6sh117

>>32856626
even then I'd want to make sure the upgrade is worth it.

>>32854091
>Mom I posted it again! The cosmetically challenged barrel one!

>>32856823
I'm trying to sell it for 650 but will go lower if need be. Than I will use that to buy the PSAK kit.
should be a 1 for 1 swap money wise for a better made rifle.
I might even buy the new rifle first so I can swap the ALG AKT out.

>>32855996
Jesus fucking christ read the fucking thread. This has been asked like four times already and it's still a relatively new thread

>>32856522
Outside of this thread

>>32850899
It's a 1949 dated manual for the Type I AKs which shows they were designated as the AK-47. I imagine due to the frequent updating they just dropped that naming scheme and started calling them all AKs (which explains why the AKM is not the AK-47M).

>>32853466
that off the shelf handguard

>>32857657
I've never understood the argument some people make that there was never a rifle called an AK-47.

>>32857883
Because the Type II and Type III AKs were not called AK-47 people assumed the Type I was also called AK instead of AK-47.

>>32857902
Because the majority of the manuals and literature I see just refer to it as the AK (Cyrillic characters). That manual was new to me, and I appreciate the education.

>>32858037
Right, due to those manuals usually being later manuals. The Type I manual is pretty new. Think it was only found last year or late 2015.

Would not recommend the GB2 wooden furniture build kits from PSA for the PSAK at the moment.

I picked one up for my barreled receiver and it's not good... they pre-drilled the holes for the stock to mount on the rear trunion, but used way too large of a bit, so the screws just drop right in, can't secure it for shit. Plus the kit I received is missing parts; upper handguard spring and butt plate screws were not included, not that it matters for the butt plate, cause the holes for those are way off center (and probably too large, again).

I wouldn't have bothered if I knew the furniture was made by Boyds...

I emailed them over a week ago and haven't heard anything yet, just sent them another fucking email.

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>>32858270
>I wouldn't have bothered if I knew the furniture was made by Boyds...

Oh man, thanks for typing that up. Fuck Boyds stocks. Fuck them right in their ass.
I ordered a nice stock for my durr rifle from them, and the pics on their site did not include the black plastic plugs that are visible in this pic I found on google.
After my stock arrived and I saw those plugs, I went back to their website and found the exact stock I ordered and sure enough they weren't there.
Long story short, in order for me to return the stock I would have had to pay shipping plus a 20% restocking fee. So I wrote them a nice hateful email calling them cocksuckers and assuring them I was going to point out their deceitful tactics on every forum I could find, which I did.
Now the pics on their website include those black plastic plugs.

When is a muzzle nut correct for an AKM?

>>32858399
Yeah, you could imagine my dissapoint mentioned when I unwrapped the handguard and saw a big fat BOYDS printed on the inside of it. No where on their site do they mention that's where the furniture is made.

>>32858430
Russia: transitioned between 68 and 69 for Izhevsk plant, Tula followed suit soon after, mid to late 69 probably

>>32858270
That's fucked. There are ways you can rectify oversized screw holes in wood if you want to bother.

>>32858470
I think I'd rather get a refund if I can. It just feels so cheap in your hands, Ill end up getting furniture elsewhere.

>>32858516

I think that's your best bet.

I have a question for you guys- If price was no problem whatsoever, whats the best 7.62x39 AK on the market right now in terms of build quality?

>>32858438
Not him but do you know when the transition date was for for Egyptian AKMs? I picked up a cheap Egyptian nut for my Maadi to replace my ugly US made plastered slant but I can't find any info on Egyptian use of slants vs nuts

Even if it isn't correct I'm still going to keep it on the rifle until I finally find an Egyptian slant, decide to pay for a Russian one, or find one of my old Romanian slants I've got somewhere around my stash but have proved very elusive when I dig for them

>>32856354
>http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-rifles/cai-ak-47-wasr-10-7-62x39mm-rifle-detail.html?Itemid=0

anon consider following

http://palmettostatearmory.com/blem-psak-47-gb2-classic-red-rifle-7792940b.html

>>32858554
Kit build AK-103 with foreign parts from a master builder.

>>32858656
I've heard some anons say the Palmetto may be the only decent American made AK.

Any truth to that?

>>32858554
Anything Izhmash
I've heard American manufacturers have stepped up their game but nothing beats the origin factory

For an slr 104 left side folder are there any side optic mounds that will allow it to close?

>>32858939
nope : )

>>32858852
>Palmetto may be the only decent American made AK

Correct. But for less money you can get a WASR. Which is what I would recommend.

>>32858939
No, thankfully though any decent mount will return the optic to zero, especially red dots/micro dots.

>>32858852
It's still untested. Plus it had that retarded rear-trunnion with the jigsaw piece.

>>32858983
AKOU tested it. It passed.

>>32858852
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULWb-83QW_c&t=542s it survived the 5k and they say some really good things about the rifles, you can buy a blem model and spend the same money as you would on a wasr or even less just dont buy their croatian mags

>>32859002
One test isn't enough. He could have lucked out. There are more issues than just materials, it's just the material/engineering ones that the US manufacturers have been having issues with so far

>>32859057
Refer to >>32859115

>>32859115
>>32859118
That's fair; however I've had zero issues with my AR from Palmetto I haven't gotten an ak from them yet but I'm convinced they make good products and I plan on buying an ak from them

>>32858939
None of the proper sidefolder (i.e. not the Arsenal right side folder abortions) will fold with the optic mounted. As said the optic will return to zero after removal unless it's a piece of shit.

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>>32858939
Zenit PT-1 will close somewhat with an optic mounted

Why would you fold it with an optic tho

>>32856613
It's probably just the 1st level briefs, shirt, and the 4th level cammies. It's not like you can't mix and match all those.

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>>32859402
Now, find wood for Wasr!

>>32859402
Oh are these back in the country?

>>32859521
Buy that set Troy is selling. It's a good set.

>>32858567
Not a clue, sorry

I have a bunch of AR's and boltguns and would like to diversify.

Recommend me a built or bought AK that's good. 7.62 plz.

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>>32859521
>>32859576
Listen to this guy

>>32859581
No one is spoonfeeding you, fag.

>>32859581
Vepr-KM

>>32859631
Okay, let me be a bit more specific.

Of these three,
>converted Saiga
>16" VEPR
>PSAK
Which one is the best, and why? They're all within $30 of $700 one way or the other.

Also, is the MI siderail still the lowest picatinny siderail or has something beaten it?

>>32859620
Contact? Price?

>>32859784
>converted Saiga.
Is Russian and unlike the VEPR it will have bayonet lug and cleaning rod holder retainer thing whatever that's called.

>MI siderail
No clue. I just buy russian optics so they slide right on. I think RS Regulate makes a good pic side rail, so look into them maybe. But I have no idea if they are better than, less than, or equal to MI.

But yeah, if the Saiga was professionally converted, I'd get it. If Bubba just hammered some shit onto it, get the VEPR.

does surplus m92 wood exist? other wise ill stain it brown

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>>32859823
What's your email senpai?

I'll give you notice I didn't have because I'm a dingus and didn't ask to see the other side before I purchased: it's a bit fucked on the left side of the lower handguard.

It's a Russian battlefield pick up so I expected it to be messy somewhere.

I paid $87 shipped, what do you want to pay?

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Can anyone tell me if putting a hammerhead grip on a Draco will get my dog shot?

>>32859953
You could be charged with intent if you have a stock laying around.

If you permanently filled the part a stock could be attached to, it'd be 100% okay.

Same situation as building an AR pistol and using a standard buffer tube. Not inherently illegal, but it could be shown as intent to make an illegal SBR if you had a stock somewhere.

>>32859784
>converted Saiga

I'm ignorant, what's a "converted" Saiga?

>>32859987
Sweet. I was planning on fabbing a threaded cap to use the cavity as storage. Hopefully a cleaning kit will fit in there. As a side note I haven't seen any picture of anybody using this setup. hopefully it works well.

wat is gud ak

>>32859889
>Saiga will have bayonet lug and cleaning rod holder
I don't care about these, I'm not going for a purist build.

>I just buy Russiaan optics so they slide right on
I've played with a few Russian magnified scopes and was thoroughly disappointed with the glass quality. I haven't had an opportunity to play with their red dots but the spec sheets look...bad. Especially for the money. It'll probably get a PA MD-ADS I have lying around as a spare until I figure out what I want to do with it.

>RS Regulate
Took a look at them, they look solid but bulky/heavy compared to the MI. Will keep them in mind though. Due to the above point I really need a picatinny mount since I have several optics just laying around that use it.
>if the Saiga was professionally converted
I have no clue. Fuck. Sold through a local store. Will probably need to ask them who does their conversions.

Ok, next questions.
>vepr will need to be "converted" (bullet guide and whatever needs to be done to the magwell to take regular AK mags), which I'm confident I can do myself.
But what about replacing the factory thumbhole stock? Are the current ones compatible out of the box with regular AK stocks, or would I need to replace or modify anything (rear trunnion or whatever)?
>vepr comes with a tack-welded muzzle brake
I'm assuming under the weld it's threaded 14x1LH like all other slav stuff?
>are there any quality AK's out there that are threaded 5/8x24 like American shit so I can use my vast spare parts bin?

How much deformation on the rivet inside the receiver (rivet for the trigger guard I believe) because of the FCG is normal? I've got a normal old Arsenal two stage trigger in my SLR-104 and when cleaning it today I noticed a small notch worn into the rivet from the FCG contacting it when firing. Should I be worried about this or is it normal?

Also, should I bother with a retaining plate for the FCG or is the normal old factory Arsenal shepard's hook good enough? I'm planning on filing off the humps on the trigger and polishing it to remove the two stage effect, and while I've got the FCG all removed I'll replace the shepard's hook with a plate if it's needed or optimal.

>>32860365
Completely normal, working as intended.

>>32860365
Mine has that. It's annoying but I don't think it's gonna ruin anything. My milspec FCG doesn't seem to contact it so it's not getting any worse

>>32860382
filing the disconnector wont hurt

>>32859581
Read. The. Fucking. Thread

>>32860399
It's like that to prevent trigger slap though.

The problem with the ALG ones is that the area of the disconnector tail that contacts the trigger guard rivet is much smaller. The impact is distributed over a smaller area. Plus there could also be engineering differences that cause them to hit harder, having to do with spring weights or the geometry of the disconnector.

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https://youtu.be/tZDxkEyRFqo?t=8m11s

WHAT DID HE MEAN BY THIS?

And is Robert as cool as a guy as he seems he is in person and on the Files or does he have a hidden dark side?

Are wire folding side stocks as uncomfortable as they look?

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>>32860662
only if your a pussy. i love mine.

>>32860662
Yes and no

They're not super comfortable but they're not uncomfortable. They just work and they do what they're meant to do well. I love them.

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Rate my gypsy.

>>32856840
>cosmetically challenged

The fucking bore is offset, that's not cosmetic.

>>32860040
RS regulate will end up being lighter than the MI, especially if you choose the right ones for your optic.

>>32860629
Don't believe anything about any RPK's until someone actually starts to sell them. Everyone is always "speculating" that someone somewhere is going to be selling RPKs and for the past couple years nothing has happened.

>>32859784
>converted Saiga
This is best if you have a Saiga converted by a master builder, but I doubt you want to pay anywhere near that much nor do you care about creating correct AK-100s.

Buy a WASR if you want an AK, VEPR if you want an RPK.

>>32860827
Still shoots straight and holds zero. So yes, it's cosmetic

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>>32860799
Looked better without the wire stock/10

>>32860827
>>32861084
The guy sent the rifle back to Arsenal and they fixed it. Are we going to pretend manufacturers never have defects? How many Arsenal rifles have went out and not had that issue? Any other cases of that?

>>32861129
I'm not going to pretend arsenal doesn't have their issues but posting the same picture every time arsenal is mentioned is pretty fucking moronic. Defects are the name of the AK game and if you don't like it you should step out or actually inspect your rifle before accepting it

>>32861168
I know, that's what I'm saying. Shit happens, I've never seen any instance of that issue except for that one pic a thousand times.

>>32858983
>Jigsaw piece trunion
Think a PSAK would have issues mounting a folder with that?

>>32852950
Buying a psak
Anyone got experience with this amerishit? I want an affordable piece until I win the lottery or Trump lifts those faggy bans ln Russian AK's

AKG BTFO!

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/827277254216425472

>>32861472
They did the jigsaw thing so that they can release different stock options without needing a new trunnion. It's pretty genius actually

>>32861521
They're the best you can do unless you want to spend $150-$200 more on an slr-107/11

>>32861084
>Bore being offset is just cosmetic
You realize the bullet comes out of that hole correct? and if that hole is offset than the bullet is going to be going off to the right and down.

>>32861129
>>32861168
I posted it to show that cold hammer forged barrels still have problems and bore offset is one of them, sure arsenal replaced it but it should have never of left either factory in that condition, someone at Arsenal US literally had to cut it down and re-crown it (SLR-107U's come in with a 16 inch barrel and are cut down and re-crowned in the US) and obviously would have seen it. The point I'm making is most will defend Arsenal at every turn but another manufacture in the AK world fucks up and we all hate them forever even if they get it fixed.

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Flashlight rings just hit NJ

Bout fuckin time

Does anyone here have a AK/AK pattern rifle that is just for display?

>engraving?
>super special custom paint/finish?
>limited run from your favorite manufacturer?

>>32861676
>Still factually shoots straight and holds zero
>B-but it doesn't!
Way to prove you don't know jack shit about what you're talking about. It was tested and doesn't affect accuracy or reliability. Yes it's a defect that shouldn't have left the factory but the rifle is still perfectly functional. Fuck off

>>32861707
No that's faggot arfcom tier gay shit

>>32861707
I'd like one of those commemorative kalashnikov's birthday AKs but I can't be bothered to spend that much on an ak

>>32861676
>One bad barrel and you should hate arsenal forever
>Decades of canted sights, gas tubes and horrible magwell jobs and you should just accept that WASRs are good to go now

>>32861610
ukraine or bust.

>>32861610
Lol I love those comments
>California back to Mexico
Yes please

>>32861707
My '83 rifle will likely end up the only gun on regular display/out of my safe most of the time in my apartment once I get it, but I do intend to shoot it from time to time too. I wouldn't feel comfortable having a gun worth more than a couple hundred dollars on permanent display.

Whoever wanted to buy my b13, are you still interested?

I've also got a dtk2 if anyone is interested

>>32861676

>but another manufacture in the AK world fucks up and we all hate them forever even if they get it fixed

None of the other manufacturers sell folding stock trunnion rifles with non-US made CHF CL barrels and correct parts.

How to sell good AKs in the US:

>clone an Arsenal Bulgaria or Izhmash rifle

>>32861784
it's spelled sherbet
also kill yourself

>>32861770

If they agree to take all of the politicians and SJWs with them I'm down.

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>>32861797
Das me

Car is still fucked and I don't even think I'm getting my PT-3 anytime soon unfortunately

>>32861714
Factual proof of an Arsenal fanboy, if you think a way out of line bore wont affect accuracy down the line your retarded.

>>32861761
Never said you should hate Arsenal forever for the one bad barrel (they have also had more than just that fuck up)

>>32861798
That's true but no other manufacture outside of the US makes a correct AKM. And those folding stock trunnion rifles with non-US made CHF CL barrels and correct parts (in 7.62x39) wont be coming back until 2018 as well.

>>32861862
> if you think a way out of line bore wont affect accuracy down the line your retarded.
IT WAS TESTED TO BE ACCURATE AND HOLD ZERO, HOW ARE YOU THIS DENSE?

>>32861862
>Not hating Arsenal because of sour grapes makes me a fanboy
Wow I'm getting to see why people hate poorfags

Thoughts on 20% extra power recoil spring, my wasr carrier hits the rear trunnion even with a 15% extra power wolf.

>>32861862

>other manufacture outside of the US makes a correct AKM

I'm still pretty butthurt about arsenal using a 90 degree gas block for their new fixed stock AKs. If they had used a 45 degree block it'd have been close enough to satisfy me.

>And those folding stock trunnion rifles with non-US made CHF CL barrels and correct parts (in 7.62x39) wont be coming back until 2018 as well.

I'd rather wait a year than buy an AK with a US made barrel.

>>32852950

What is /akg/'s opinion on VEPRs? I was thinking about getting one after I get my tax returns.

>>32861981

/akg/ really needs an info graphic for those that don't lurk.

Yes anon, it's good.

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>>32862006

>>32861981
They're good, just heavier than a regular AK. I'd shell out for a super vepr if I could find one for a decent price

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>>32862024

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Anyone have one of these?

>>32862042
>Reciprocating left side charging handle
Aaaaand it's retarded

>>32862042
If that didn't have the magpul furniture and reciprocating charging handle that would actually be cool

>>32862024
>XS Big Dot front sight
Hope you don't ever need to shoot at range with no optic.

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>>32862024

>>32861993
We had multiple but nobody read them and kept asking the exact same fucking questions multiple times every single thread so they stopped being posted because they didn't do anything as nobody read them

>>32862113
Did anybody read them?

>>32862127
Nobody read them because nobody read them as nobody read them

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>>32862113
I have a few that I made

>>32862140
Interesting. I think people would enjoy reading about something like that.

>>32862113
Well we need as a group post the pics each time it's ask (I for one will). CA you post the pics please?

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>>32862142

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>>32861894
No it wasn't, all he said was that it zeroed OK, that's no indication of accuracy, we have no targets or distance to prove it, its obvious an offset bore would cause accuracy problems.

>>32861912
I dont even own a factory AK, all of my AK's are guns I build myself or someone else built for me. I have no skin in any manufactures.

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>>32862150

>On Vehicle for Delivery Today
>02/02/2017 6:10 A.M. Out For Delivery
PLEASE HURRY

>>32862142
>>32862150
>>32862168
These are bad and meh at best

>>32862148
No, we need to ignore every single poster who asks those questions after they've already been answered in the thread. If it's too hard to ctrl+f "best" or "first" before asking the exact same question they need to be ignored as they're retarded

>>32859115
You're not making sense,
> its not just about the materials its about the materials and engineering.

The engineering is there, its basically a collab between ddi and psa which between them both have experience making ak's. There was thread on akfiles flaming ddi's owner calling him a sellout, my how stupid people are.

Now they are using billet for trunnions and bolts etc. Sooooo you have a baseless argument.

Psa offers a lifetime warranty for these bitches.

One 5,000 round akou test is honestly worth about 10 other youtube channels reviews/tests mate. Nobody goes as hard as they do on them for as long.

The only thing you could say is that it doesnt have a chrome lined barrel.

>>32862190
Make something better then, faggot. If I can make these in five minutes on paint, surely yo can do something better

>>32862190
I understand.

>>32862190
>No, we need to ignore every single poster who asks those questions after they've already been answered in the thread. If it's too hard to ctrl+f "best" or "first" before asking the exact same question they need to be ignored as they're retarded
this tbqh

>>32862200
Nobody wants to make them because 1) infographs are gay and 2) we've already made them and tried this whole thing and it doesn't work because, again, nobody reads them and will continue to keep asking.

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I made a pastebin

It even has some very specific provisions, so I encourage regulars to read it too to cut down on the stupid shit that happens here

http://pastebin.com/vN8bMdtX

>>32862227
Put in the OP

>>32862232
OP will never include it for some reason. The dude makes like 99% of these threads so it's up to him

>>32860365
Dremel the disconnector, akou has a video where they talk about it with an alg trigger. It can in fact over time/if you actually shoot pop that rivet out.
Nothing happens though

>>32862227
Why is the Sam7 disgusting?

>>32862227
Also this is a first draft, just putting concept out there. I'm gonna include the "do not" and yugo aks in a minute

>>32860771
Very nice gypsy, very nice

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>>32862220

>>32862241
It won't pop out and if you actually think it will, you have no idea how rivets work

>>32862227
Actually this is alright, I'd add a separate "Avoid because stupidly expensive for a mediocre at best rifle" category for the people who are bound to ask about Rifle Dynamics and Krebs custom

>>32862242
It isn't, it's just an ugly bastard that doesn't resemble anything that you can clone with it

>>32862240
>The dude makes like 99% of these threads so it's up to him
Not really, more like 80% at most. Others make them too. I've made about a dozen since we started numbering threads and a few more than that before numbering.

But again, the reason why it probably won't be included is because nobody is going to read it and will continue to just ask oдин зa oдним and it'll just be another thing to copy and paste into a new thread.

>>32861954
Id rather buy a cheap ak today and have mags ammo better shooting form and a better understanding on stocks rails or optics when I buy the nicer ak i really want next year.

NEW PASTE BIN FORGET THE OLD ONE CAUSE I POSTED IT AS GUEST AND CAN'T EDIT IT

http://pastebin.com/YdEkhdva

http://pastebin.com/YdEkhdva

http://pastebin.com/YdEkhdva
Editorial ideas from not slobbering retards being accepted now

Ammo guide will be added
Rifle checking guide will be added

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>>32860662

Worse than underfolders, better than AMD-65 stocks.

>>32859953
for what purpose?

>>32862255
The rivet getting hammered enough will eat through the top part eventually rob ski said he has seen it happen that the rivet falls off through the bottom. Go argue with him faggot.

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>>32862306
Oh OK.
>>32862334
You better be specific with Century models...

I need light mount ideas. I'd prefer to not go the metal handguard, or railed gas tube route, and I don't super like the magpul handguards. The best plan I've come up with so far is using a Hogue railed handguard and mounting the light on a thorntail mount.

Anybody have a better idea?

>>32862391
Why? Avoid Century built, century imported may be ok

I'll add more later

Put this in next OP

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>>32862429
I think >>32862306's input on RD and Krebs is worth adding

>>32862498
>>32862306
RD, Krebs, and Definitive Arms added

>>32862548
Why are you dumping pictures of a magazine full of crap AKs?

>>32862563
>AK related
Because I want to.

>>32862429
not him, but since he didn't respond to you I'll speculate that he meant you should be specific about Century models because the kind of people asking "should I buy this" might not know which guns Century built, and which ones they imported.

>>32862580
^
Upvote

>>32862580
>>32862587
Alright, I made a small edit. Once I'm satisfied with all the models up there I'll clean up all the annotations and shit

Pastebin edition thread when?

Anybody got pics of broken C39s?

>>32862664
Got a genuine lul out of me

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>>32862677
Lol

>>32862323

>Id rather buy a cheap ak today

So buy a WASR.

>>32862732

>putting an aimpoint micro on a c39
>on a railed gas tube cover

Like I get that some people aren't AK guys but what in the fuck?

>>32861521

PSA seems to be doing well. they survived AKOU's 5,000 round challenge

New thread

>>32862843

>>32862843

>>32862843

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>>32852950

>>32861084
what if i want a suppressor, faggot.

>>32861941
is it making a dent?

>>32862756
I have three 2 and a half ak's nigga lol galil kit, it was a comment towards the youngin who hasnt figurrd out that one in the hand is worth two in the bush.

Waiting a year to maybe get an ak you want is stupid yeah we have trump but shit can still happen and they might not come in or some othet problem could arise. So yeah he should do as you and I say buy a wasr, gear, ammo, and when the chance comes sell off the wasr and buy your princess ak.>>32863721

>>32860658
Aethetics