How do you go from this

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>>32680723
to this?

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To this?

What the fuck was the empure thinking?

>>32680723
>>32680735
Well the tank up above had no shielding and was not able to pass over the amount of terrain the AT-AT was

Also, the AT-AT was initially not shielded, but according to nu-Didney canon they shielded them after Scarif.

>>32680723
Also the Republic used the AT-TE which is the more accurate precursor to the AT-AT

In Star Wars people prefer walkers to tracked for some reason, even though walkers are slow af

>>32680757
>>32680735

The Scarif AT-ATs weren't the same as the ones that landed at Hoth, they had less firepower, less panels covering components, and no Ray-Sheilds.

Not sure if they were prototypes, handed down to security duty roles, or if they were just a cheaper (lighter) model for the Shore Troopers

>>32680723
Empire is shit tier military. They went quantity>quality.

Republic with the Clones were literal godtier.

>>32680723
The Jugg was a maintenance nightmare that broke down often and we're pure evil to repair / replace parts on the drive train.


You see those "tires".. you see how they look like a bunch of disks.. that's because they are.
Independently driven, planetary geared, disks.

The Juggernaut is not a 10 tire vehicle, it's 80 "tires" on five drive axles.

The bitch was fast, and armored as fuck, and probably designed by the French as it can go just as fast in either direction.

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When I got the one the Incredible Cross Sections books, I fell in love with the Juggernaut.

It is the most awesome vehicle in my opinion.

>>32680768
AT-AT was supposed to be 45 mph or something like that

One was a general combat vehicle, the other was a siege engine.

Empire was retarded. Stormtroopers can't even aim

>>32680813

Their official name is AT-ACT, All Terrain- Armored Cargo Transport.

They are essentially armed heavy trucks.

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>>32680723

They're still in use by the Empire and one of them is used in R1, it's just that you never see the battles they partake in.

Why is every Empire land vehicle so huge? Meanwhile, the Rebels have MLC-3s which are conventional tank destroyers with no real gimmick beyond twin blaster barrels to prevent overheating, with their largest ground vehicle being the AT-TE.

>>32680833
Nice headcanon.

What would you say if I told you that TIE fighters actually have shields?

>>32680813
>>32681304
>>32680735
>>32680723
The Nerd Crew explains it pretty well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sExTt4j69zI

>>32681796

These people are dumb normies masquerading as nerds. When do they talk about the Empire's vehicles?

>>32680723
Why don't they just use the force instead?

>>32681711
I don't know, maybe it has something to do with the fact that the Rebels are a rag-tag band of power hungry liberals using mostly private resources, and the Empire is...well, an Empire.

>>32681765
> TIE fighters actually have shields
Nice headcanon.

>>32681047
>Spotter

Dude was soooooo fucked.

>>32681938
X-wings canonically rape the shit out of Tie fighters though.

>>32680723
>>32681047
That fucking observation post

>>32682186
Star Wars space battles are based on World War Two naval battles. Rebel 'aircraft' are analogous to land-based aircraft that tend to be bigger, heavier, and more powerful than their naval cousins because they don't have to be made to fit the confines of carrier operations.

>>32680730

Kek just in time.

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>>32681882
you don't even know the levels of meta they are hitting
RLM=GOAT

>>32680757
That's retarded. At least the republic used AT-TEs with short legs for a lower center of gravity. The AT-ATs look like they could be defeated by any gradient terrain. Don't wanna deal with AT-ATs? Just build you base in the mountains. At least the AT-TE could traverse vertical surfaces. And don't get me started on Hoth.

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>>32681711

Empire has better assault guns.

>>32681109
>45mph
>elephant walk (only one foot ever off the ground)
not happening

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>>32680735
Was the Army actually trying to build one of these for real?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpBG-nSRcrQ

>>32684908
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07zLbgXElsA

>>32684945

Nah, those are just droids man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf7IEVTDjng

>>32680757
>>32680768
The AT-ACTs were ray-shielded, the door gun of the U-Wing had to chew through the shielding on the knee joint.

>>32680735
Because the Empire had a military-industrial complex so ingrained that it'd make a Lockheed exec orgasm to death and was lead by a guy with a hard-on for wunderwaffen, shows of force, and yes-men. The AT-ATs were supposed to be fuckhuge and intimidating while spitting out firepower usually found on starships, never mind the fact that it would take minutes to respond to any flanking or rear attacks, had to traverse its cockpit to aim its weapons, and disembarking took forever.

>>32680723
Because George Lucas had a much higher operating budget for his artists and animators during the production of the prequels due to the ridiculous amounts of money that he swindled from moviegoers in the late 70s and early 80s.
The original trilogy's special fx were literally teams of 40k-tier basement-dwelling, model-building nerds that learned how to point a camera at their models.

>>32685215
Its actually ture the impires buyers where ass backwards retarded

>>32680723

>old star wars was based on rule of cool and shit was made to be cool and plot fulfilling
>new star wars is based on MUH SHITTY WRITER

AT-ATs were made to be an ominous nigh unstoppable force.

AT-TEs were made to be muh technology. Both are retarded when in Phantom Menace they had fucking FLOATING TANKS which offset either of the above purely because it can fucking fly.

Star Wars is retarded.

>>32685008
Thats cool as shit

Is boston dymaics going to reach out to the civilian market?

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>>32680730

>>32685274
But wouldnt something on wheels be much easier and more cost effective than say something on legs? If not just using mini scale models, you could have just put a bunch of cardboard on an old school bus to make it look like the Juggernaut

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>>32685378
Dunno, aren't they trying to bulge the military door first?

With liitle dogs and those humanoid droids thingie

>tfw spectres becomes real

>>32680735
Palpatine owned stock in every defense contractor in the Empire.

The idea was to build the most ridiculously wasteful ships and vehicles possible so he could embezzle from the defense budget.

>>32685357
Uh, those floating tank can just..... float, not fly, They have LAAT for that.

And it also cant climb for some reasons, which is great deal on Genoisis.

>>32681047
>Retract rungs

>>32685631

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVlhMGQgDkY

Protect and serve.

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>>32680730
died

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>>32688670
>Powering up; Protectron on Duty.

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>>32680730

>>32684167
In like the first episode of the Clone Wars series you saw AT-TEs walking up a sheer cliff. It was pretty neat.

>>32681047
>>32680875
Jesus, imagine having to change a busted drive axle in that thing, it would be worse than Tiger tank inside bogey wheels.

>>>/tv/
>>>/tg/

>>32680723
>>32680735
It's the exact problem every prequel has of having to up the cool factor or play to our modern sensibilities. It should be the other way around where they realized that legs are dumb and wheels are cool

>>32688884

Funny enough, in early drafts of of The Empire Strikes Back, the Juggernaut was what was going to be invading Hoth, not the AT-ATs, and it would have been fighting against. It was designed first.

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>>32688922

Concept art for ESB.

>>32688930
What was the use or point of hoth

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>>32680730

>>32681796

Jesus, man. Next time put up an autism warning. I could only last 10 seconds before I started to sieze up.

>>32688956
It's where the hidden rebel base was.
Hoth was a shithole, that's why no one would look there

>>32688956
>Cold as fuck
>Remote
>No native population
>Backwater system that has barely any space traffic go by.

It was a perfect place to set up a base after Yavin 4 was compromised.

>>32688922
>>32688930
Damn, that would have been great.

Wonder what idiot thought that AT-AT / walker stuff was a better choice?

>>32688987
his name is George Lucas

>>32681796
could have embedded timestamp

>>32689027
kek

>>32680723
What's that one walker all the way in the background on the left?

>>32681796
they don't talk about the empire's vehicles WTF, it's prolly one of these tards looking for views

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>>32688922
>>32688930

Forgot to complete my sentence, the Rebels were supposed to have tanks too but didn't. Here's more concept art for the Imperial Tanks themselves to support the Juggernauts.

>>32689059
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/All_Terrain_Attack_Pod

Looks like shit imo.

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hmmmmm

>>32689127
War robots are a fucking retarded concept anyway, so why not have fun with it?

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I've always felt the Scarab from Halo was superior to the AT-AT.
It's truly all terrain. It can climb over buildings.
It orbital drops onto the battlefield from space.
It's autonomous without a crew. Works same way as hunters do.
Plasma turret on top for 360 coverage.
Large main gun on front.
Can quickly lower and deploy troops.
Can't be tripped.

Although it is susceptible to Spartans

>>32689272
>It orbital drops onto the battlefield from space.
This is the only reason I'd consider it superior. The AT AT requires dedicated transport which is obviously a huge logistical nightmare if you're invading someone with any good AA, or you don't have literally flawless air superiority.

The armor on the Scarab is clearly trash since 5 shots from a 90mm firing HE can cripple the entire movement system of the thing (Obviously game balance mechanics, and the books are far more true to the lore where literally nothing except spaceship tier weapons can hurt the thing)

It's obviously more all terrain, but in terms of weapons it's a toss up. I'm not too into fantasy cross universe fights but I'd be willing to bet that the AT At outguns a Scarab.

>>32689156
>War robots are a fucking retarded concept anyway
DARPA and the army don't seem to think so

>>32689156

This.

There are no circumstances a bipedal war machine is better than the alternatives of tracks, wheels or airborne.

>>32682186
X-wings are also an old holdover from the early Republic and were designed as a long-range interceptor capable of taking on gunboats and smaller capital ships. Hence why they have jump drives.

It would be like comparing an F14 to an F20 Tigershark. [big, fast, powerful, expensive] vs [small, nimble, cheap enough to produce literally billions of].

The Empire's expeditionary forces are pretty much built around brushfire wars and suppressing mostly-undeveloped indigenous species on their home planets, for which they'd dispatch only a single battle group and that battle group had to cover the whole fucking planet, including both atmospheric and exo-atmospheric airspace. Small enough to get hundreds in a Star Destroyer and cheap enough to afford to put hundreds in a Star Destroyer trump best-in-class weapons/shielding (and jump drives) when good-enough weapons and shielding really are good enough.

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>>32680723
>>32680735
Anon, I think you are missing something REALLY obvious in that pic.

>>32689127
you do realize the robot on the right is actually Japanese and was licensed by FASA for use in Battletech?

>>32680735
>do a full frontal assault out in the open without air support against a disciplined and well organized enemy
>only lose two walkers to literal bullshit reasons, one of them thanks to a lunatic with an extinct weapon who hit with it at the weakest point of the vehicle
>got their objectives right on schedule regardless and won the battle with no significant losses

They do the job fine to me it seems

>>32689527
It tripped.
I'd be fine with them if the legs were mounted on the side like a spider instead of under it like en elephant. That way it could better stabilize itself and better suited for "all terrain"

>>32684908
you don't know shit about how an elephant walks. they lift two legs at a time to walk, front left and back left or front right and back right.

>>32689298
granted the 90mm shells are pure tungsten if in game dialogue is to believed. That much mass and weight going that fast will fuck shit up man.

>>32689312
mountainous/urban regions would be one of the best places to use them. The rugged, rural regions of Afghanistan or cramped city streets or allies.

>small enough to stay with infantry outside of some buildings and go where traditional vehicles cant go
>big enough to carry multiple weapons a simple RC drone wouldn't be able to.
>fire support found on mounted platforms now in a more mobile smaller profile platform

There are uses for it, just not all encompassing ones that will have them replace traditional vehicles.

Most likely, they'd find use with MEUs, 10th Mountain, 82nd, SOF, etc.. Light Infantry units where heavier vehicles would be a hinderence.

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>Be Original Trilogy
>Have Big Cool Walkers that kick ass and look awesome on screen
>Said walkers have 10+ straight minutes of screen time and serve as a significant plot device (symbolizing the Empire's vast resources and how it crushes all opposition in open battle)
>Rightfully earn their place in Star Wars lore

>Be Prequel Trilogy
>Have Big Cool Rolling Tank and slightly smaller Big Cool Walkers
>Get about 10 seconds of screen time altogether
>Have no role in the plot whatsoever
>Only added in so Lucasarts could shill more toys for gullible fans to waste their money on

Why?

>>32689317

>It's like an AT-TE got raped by an AT-ST on New Years' Eve in Cologne

Real original concept....

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>>32680723

>>32689898

Cause Lucas hates his fans. Why else would he introduce Jar Jar? Given I do like the theory that Jar Jar is actually a Sith. He always mange to get lucky and dodge things. He can force leap 20 feet up into the air. When he talks, he uses his hands a shit ton, a things the force users do a lot....nah, he is just some horrible creation that Lucas came up with, cause he hates every one.

>>32689979
Jar Jar is the key to all of this

>>32689979

Supposedly Jar Jar was supposed to be a key villian in Ep. 1, but they decided to cut that part and keep him as shitty comic relief that isn't comedic or relieving.

>>32680723
>>32680735
>>32688987
>Hating on walkers

Fuck off. Walkers are cooler to look at than wheeled vehicles.

>hurr but its not realistic

This is fucking fiction. Fucking STAR WARS of all things.

>>32681796
well me personally, I loved the movie.

>>32680735
I remember a book I had that had cut aways of various vehicles and stuff.

The reasoning in that book was that the squat walkers during the Clone wars were vulnerable to land mines. The redesign of the AT-AT eliminated that problem by putting the fighting compartment so high up.

>>32690783
And then if one the legs blew off

>>32690791
Well, that's not really how Anti-tank land mines work though. But I am sure the legs are armored to prevent such a thing.

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>>32690791
Still functions as a firing platform.

Its feet can also sustain a lot of punishment too. It has to be durable since its all-terrain.

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>>32689127
This bait doesn't work here, boy.

>>32681047
>space faring empire with mass produced droids and sensors and shit
>rely on an actual human being climbing up a ladder to spot enemies
Fucking star wars

>>32690952

Ladders work when the power doesn't maybe the circuit got blasted or the whole ship lost power and that's the best way out

>>32690724

They can try to at least explain why it's better, the fantasy excuse only goes so far otherwise you'll end up with pirate dragons weilding chainsaw katanas

>>32681796
>I don't want to seem like I like to too much, so 8/10
>But it's better than TFA, to which I gave 9/10

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>>32691403
If the whole ship lost power climbing a tiny ladder to see a couple meters in the distance is not going to help.

>>32681047
How the fug can it turn faster than a floating car?

>>32689552
Then it would be to wide for forest and urban terrain.

>>32689979
Arise, Darth Jarjar.

>>32690952
iirc canon is that that along with all the other tech ECM is so advanced that anybody using it renders advanced sensors worthless
also why they don't do BVR space battles, targeting is done visually

>>32680735
It's taller, thus it has the higher ground

>>32694667
Could have used a periscope.

>>32689910
I had both this abomination and the Juggernaut in Lego

>>32694667
I've heard that argument made for almost every anime/tv show/movie where its in the super-future but everyone is still aiming at each other despite the fact that right now we can shove a tomahawk up a camel's ass 500 miles away.

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>>32680723
TO THISSSSSS????

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>>32680730

>>32688956
>What was the use or point of hoth
to deliver a scene where Luke gets his message that he needs to go to degobah, to give the Empire some teeth since they got their shit pushed in last episode.

it was also to be able to find a way to explain mark hamill's new scar from being an idiot and getting in a car crash and fucking his face up, so they threw in the tauntaun scene last minute