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>>31716111
My mom made me go to a counselor in high school and he diagnosed me with minor depression because that's what those fags do, and now it's stuck on my record.

How fucked am I when trying to join?

I'm the 3rd year college student from the last thread looking to do Army OCS

Is it possible for me to try to do BCT this summer and then once I graduate go to OCS?

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Dropped out of HS in junior year because I hated school. Took a long time to start getting my shit together, but finally (a year later) I started taking my GED tests and plan to finish that soon. After that my next intention is to enlist in the US Navy in a computer-based job.

>>31716358
No chance unless war is on and we need bodies to throw at the enemy

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Anyone else hoping we get another war soon

>>31716439
good luck bro
getting a ged waiver is much harder now than it used to be
i hope you look like a fucking rockstar to your recruiter in order for him to start looking for one for you

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>>31716595
Care to elaborate?

>>31716595
>getting a ged waiver is much harder now than it used to be
Don't need a waiver if you have 15 college credits

Any ausfags that can elaborate on life in the army?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4POpHJmwSYI

this looks so relaxed and cozy compared to USMC OCS

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>>31716701

>>31716607
military is able to pick and choose because there's not a huge need for bodies right now compared to a decade ago. there's guys with high school diplomas who would be easier for the recruiter to deal with too. if you look like a star candidate (you tested great) he would be more likely to go to bat for you than if you tested badly.

>>31716628
he's probably going to need the 15 credits to start with before the recruiter wants to even think about things

>>31716111

My Achilles tendons are short as fuck and my heels can't touch the ground, will I be denied?

>>31716942
I hate seeing people's feet. But post feet.

>>31716942
does that mean you're doomed to walk in heels for the rest of your life?
that might be an issue, especially if it hampers your ability to run

>>31716978

>anon shows up to basic in heels
>"T-they're prescription!"

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>>31716942
Thats a lie youre just lazy/fat/inflexible. Everyone can do a flat foot squat with practice.

>>31717011
I died

when is the best time to shit/jerk off in basic?

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>>31717226
>shit
I know that for me and 99% of my class it was right after we ate breakfast. We would return to the compartment from Breakfast and we'd have 5 mins to get ready to go and everyone would run to the bathroom. Ive never taken as massive or as solid of shits as i did in basic. Something about all the moving around and 8 hrs of sleep cause your so exhausted must've done it. Its like its growing inside you all night then after you eat it forces it out.

>Jerk off
At night, just go to the bathroom to take a "piss". Chances are you wont want to though.

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>>31716111
(Checked)

Friend enlisted navy recently and has been talking about it. Seems good for someone like me who fucked up college and has a lot of debt now. It's a good way to get skills and contribute some shit to the country, many in my family served, gain discipline, etc. I know signing bonuses and student loan repayment programs can be pretty good.

I'm pretty confident i can qualify as a nuke, but is it a meme? I think learning nuclear energy would be fascinating and is obviously a valuable skill in civilian life. Only thing that's been confusing is the ASVAB scoring. For nukes you need: VE+AR+MK+MC+NAPT=290

as far as i understand, your score on each of the categories your percentile score relative to other test takers, with NAPT being an aggregate average of some other sections. Does this basically mean that I only need to score around a 60th percentile in all these fields to qualify? (VE(60)+AR(60)+MK(60)+MC(60)+NAPT(60)=300)

that seems pretty easy, but the required scores are much higher than other navy rates so im confused

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>>31717349
(same poster)

Just read the FAQ and the bit on ASVAB was helpful, but again to clarify, all scores, either line or AFQT are based on percentile and then added to check rate qualification correct?

Any input on nuke or other good navy rates would be awesome

Any ausfags got any info on doing sparky apprenticeship with the ADF?

Passed my assessment day for rifleman into the ADF if anyone has questions

>>31716919
>he's probably
Nah man he's chillin
My brother dropped out of HS senior year, then got his 15 credits
Walked into the recruiters office a year and a half ago and just signed up, no waiver or anything

>>31716725
whats with the fishing rod

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>>31717814
I think it's to help hold the weight of the weapon.

>>31716411

Possible (by joining the guard/reserve) but not recommended. Finish college and then go for OCS.

>>31717349
The line scores aren't percentile based, and aren't a 1-99 scale. Only the overall score for the ASVAB (AFQT) works like that.

People say nuke is a meme because recruiters sell it super hard as some sort of incredible white-collar nuclear scientist job where everyone can drop a package go officer immediately or get out and be rich.

Realistically, you're a reactor tech. It's a complicated device, but you're still a power maintenance technician, not an engineer. It's long hours and difficult schooling. Some of the hardest working conditions. There's very limited slots to try and go officer, even though 100% of nukes "plan" to do it since their recruiter told them it was easy.

Civilian opportunities are good, but not amazing. You will eventually make six figures if you stay in the field, but that's true of a lot of fields.

Overall, most of the nerds who get meme'd into nuke would probably be happier and just as successful with a computer/intel job.

>>31717360
>>31717349
Nuke's a miserable fucking job. If it weren't, the bonuses wouldn't be so high and people wouldn't promote as quickly (to replace all the people that just do 6 years and get out; we called that "leadership through attrition").

>>31717349
I got high enough in electronics to go nuke, and all the while my package was in I met one nuke and a couple of guys who'd been on subsa and carriers. The guys who only knew nukes told me that they hated their job, the oneI did meet said she hated her job. Also the one I met was in my community college calculus class. My shitty grades kept me from getting nuke (got aecf instead) but part of me is relieved, despite the fact I was very interested in nuclear power while getting my acossiates.

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>>31717349
>>31717360
Nukes trash dont do it.
See>>31718134 and >>31718329

I cant give blind recommendations cause i dont know what you like doing.
In general great rates are CTx, IT, Seal, Navy Diver, OS, GM, FC, IS.

How do SSBIs go down?
How long do they take?

>>31718930
Google sf86, thats the form you fill out. Investigator may or may not talk to everyone you list on that form, its up to them. After they do that, they interview you and go over everything you put on that form to make sure its correct. Then they are supposed to submit their evaluation and then after a month to 8 months depending on if the person handling ur stuff actually feels like doing their job, your clearance is granted.

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>>31717413
What 15 credits is this?

>>31719702
If you have a GED you need 15 college credits/units to not need a waiver to join.

Friendly reminder that for army, the recruiter has the ability to get you any job you want even if its not on the list. So if you want something that doesnt pop up on the list even though you scored high enough to get it, tell the recruiter to call you back when it does open. Or better yet, say nevermind. Their 1sg will get on their ass for not being able to convince you to sign up for anything, and they will non stop call to ask if youre still interested in joining as random job. Just be adamant on that one specific job you want.

This only applies to army. The other services dont let you choose jobs.

so im trying to join the air force as Non destructive inspection. is this a good choice or am i making a mistake?

>>31716960
no

>>31716978
In shoes it's fine, it's not like my heels are 3" off the ground, just like 1".

>>31717033
Fuck off, I've had this since I was a kid and I cut wood for my family every day. I literally can't stand with my heels touching the ground else I fall backwards.

>>31720225
sorry bud, you wont be able to join. You have to have full ankle movement. My buddy got DQ at meps because he cant walk on his heels, he cant bend feet up.

>>31720117
Pretty big industry in the civilian world, so there will definitely be jobs for you if/when you get out.

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>>31719790
What is the waiver?

>>31714660

Dude, if I had to choose someone to do a mission it's this fucking guy. He found an obstacle (breathalyzer ignition device), he adapted (Racoon), and he overcame (started the vehicle).

>>31716358
You should've just said stressed out enough to have a panic attack or two.

>>31720225
>I literally can't stand with my heels touching the ground else I fall backwards.
???
Pics of you in high heels or it didnt happen

>>31720734

Fuck off footfag.

>>31720602
The waiver for not having a actual highschool diploma

>>31720406
Do screwdrivers not exist in the middle east?

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>>31720766
How do I get one? What is it worth?

This is all assuming I go to enlist after having gotten my GED with decent above average test scores.

>>31720848
>What is it worth?
I can give you one if you PayPal me $tree fiddy hunnid.

Is anyone joining any branch for any kind of special operations?

I'd like to get an idea of what other people are doing to get ready physically.

>>31720757
I want to laugh at you not jerk off.
>>31720907
18x
Lifting weights and running.
>shocking

>>31721064
>18x
They don't go to dive school or anything right? So you're not worried about swimming?

>>31721070
>So you're not worried about swimming?
I already know how to swim, but theres no pool in my area or else id probably add some in for fun.
>They don't go to dive school or anything right?
You can later but no if youre asking if theres a timed swim like with SEALs the answer is no.

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What can I do after the army as an MP officer?

>>31721120
I'm going for CCT and they have to swim.
I was always a strong swimmer as a kid but never really did it for exercise.
But I've been in the pool lately and it's some very intense cardio.
Lots of fun. I've basically been training like you would for a triathlon.
With added calisthenics and some certain lifts

>>31721138
Be some shitty cop chief I guess.

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>>31721179
You sound qualified.

>>31721138
>>31721179
No, nothing. It doesnt translate well into a civ cop. Dont be one, its trash as fuck and youll regret it. All you do is check IDs at the gate.

>>31721152
Sounds right. How fast/strong are you? What are your big lift numbers?

>>31721216
Well shitty cop chief is pretty much the civilian equivalent to shitty MP officer so I highly doubt I'm far off.

>>31721138
Well assuming you do the 20 years, youll be retired and have a pension plus whatever disability pay you get from the VA. So.....travel?Get a hobby? Start a family?

If you resign your commision, that means you have a degree already and a few years of work experience in leadership and management, so you could work any federal job you want, from police, to analyst, to teacher, to waste management.

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Can some one explain this shit to me

>>31721259
Thats fake

>>31721224
>big lift numbers
I don't do then anymore mayne. Not big numbers anyways. Used to PowerLift but I cut it and dropped weight so I can run and do calisthenics better.
I had to drop a bit of weight.
I quit benching to work on dips and push-ups more.
I still deadlift but it's low weight (225) and high reps.
Same with OHP, low weight high reps.
I do weighted sled pushes (sprints)
And farmers walks a lot.
Don't mess with weights too much anymore aside from that.
I like lifting but the military just doesn't care about it lol. They don't care if you can bench 405 they just want you to crank out pushups, which doesn't mean you can't do both, I just use my time in the gym differently.

>>31721228
I was thinking state police, so that works.

>>31721295
>nd farmers walks a lot.
I do those too.
I get what youre saying to an extent. The idea that lifting heavy =/= doesnt translate to body weight stuff is completely wrong though. It only has that reputation cause people assume if you can bench a lot then are most likely fat as well. As long as you have a low bf% then lifting heavy will only help you.

>>31721315
I wouldnt. Thats a huge pay cut going from military officer to uniformed police.

If you want to be state police, just join the police dept. Assuming you already have a degree since you want to go officer in the military, youll have no trouble getting in.

>>31721357
Are there federal law enforcement positions that I could transition to?

>>31721295
>>31721348
Help me cut weight. I've lost about 35 lbs since July. Would like to got down to 190 or 180. Chicken, rice, black beans, eggs, bacon, veggies, and water is all I've been eating.

>>31721348
Yeah I know. Benching doesn't hurt pushup count. I just have a hard time fitting push-ups, dips, and bench into the same day. I feel like I either work on one or half-ass everything. Idk I guess it's a time management thing.
I do Push/Pull/rest routine so on my push day I'm doing push-ups, dips, OHP, sled sprints, lunges etc. etc. And decided to cut bench because if I did that as well I'd be in the gym way too long

>>31721408
It's all about calories in and calories out man.
You can either eat less, or preferably do more cardio to burn the calories.
Or both but your energy will be low.

>>31721408
Plug in your stats.

http://scoobysworkshop.com/calorie-calculator/

>>31721403
All of them.

The only ones with age limits are FBI or Dept of state type stuff. Age limit is 36. But if youre coming from an LEO job they waive the age limit.

>>31721408
>Help me cut weight. I've lost about 35 lbs since July
It sounds like what youre doing is working right?
In general removing all sugar from your diet is a great first step.

>>31721412
I got ya, ive got a lot of free time atm so i spent about 2hrs there in total but 30 mins of that is warmup before and stretching after, 15 each. Jealous of those sled sprints i wish my gym had that shit.

>>31721471
Ah, thanks.

>>31721473
Yeah well the gym I go to is actually on a military base. It's not even the public base gym.
It's only for the students and instructors at the MFF school.

You'll most likely work out at this gym one day if you can get into 18series and go to Free Fall School in AZ.
They just added like 5 power racks, some new cardio machines, and some fake turf for tire flipping and the sled.

>>31721478
FYI you dont need mil if you want to go federal LEO.

Alot of people dont understand that all you need is a degree(CJ degree not needed but it looks better) and a 3.0gpa to work in govt.

>>31721518
That's true, but I wanted to join the army regardless. It's a family thing.

>>31721538
can you tell me some background like education level, what service, etc? Because i could give you some advice on what to sign up as to cater your resume toward that career field.

>>31721560
cont
I work as a background investigator, so I have some general knowledge on what backgrounds they look at. Also i worked army 8 years as a 35F/L, I got my degree with my gi bill, International business/Comp Sci.

>>31720848
Go tell your recruiter you only have a ged and ask to get a waiver for it you fucking retard

>>31721560
I'm a college senior graduating soon with a degree in English Education (yeah, I know).

>>31721138
Use the GI bill to go to college and learn something useful, you can't even be a cop like with actual combat MOSs

>>31721608

Not him, but I have a clean background but I can be an asshole on the internet. Am I good?

>>31721633
Ok, i assume you want to comission as an officer? Did you do rotc? Because if not youre not gonna get much of a choice in your job selection after OCS. More than likely youll end up in logistics. Now, im not saying to go enlisted. Being any kind of officer still makes your resume look better than being enlisted. So when you go officer, after a couple of years you can try to switch job areas. Either way stay as an officer for at least 6 years if you can. 6 years is experience timeframe they look at the most favorably. While in, try and work on a master in CJ, im working on mine through st josephs university, its a 1.5 yr program and i take 2 classes every 3 months.

All you really. Need is a 4 year degree with a 3.0gpa of course. But the cj background looks good. Also if youre wondering why having a fuller resume is better than just having degree. Its for the salary negotiations. Better qualified = more pay.

>>31721733
Youre good, we only look at what info you provide and go off on that info

>>31721805
I didn't do ROTC. Will invariably go straight to logistics? Is there no wiggle room?

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Can Russian Orthodox troops get a religious exemption waiver to grow a beard?

if the Sikhs can do it, why not everyone else?

>>31721909
Because you're white.

>>31721805
Not that guy but I want to do logistics in the Air Force or something then get out and get on dat dere global supply chain job $$

>>31716577
yes

I want to enlist, but I have a lot of getting into shape to do. While I'm doing that, I've trying to decide which branch to join. I'd like a combat role (or I think I would, someone could let me know what it's like and potentially change my mind), but I'd also like to travel. Which branch/job should I choose?

>>31721998
It depends on if it's war time or peace time.
Right now we are pretty much peacetime.
In peacetime, the only people seeing combat are special operations.
So if you want to be a janitor with a small, small chance of ever being in a firefight, Infantry is the job for you.

If you really want combat you're going to have to go into a special operations that does a lot of direct action (DA).
Like Army Rangers for example.
It's all up to you, fatty.
Do you want to scrape by with your fitness or do you want to go above and beyond?

>>31722047
even ranger bat aint doing shit these days

>>31721909
Unless you're a priest joining as a military chaplain then no

>>31716111
/k/

Canadian here

>18 yrs old
>Offered a spot to go to RMC for ATC but was denied once medical paper got through saying I take ADHD meds, and have a Chiari Malformation (never had symptoms)
>Hoping for a Pilot Scholarship
>Studying a Political Science
>Fluent in French

All I have wanted to do is join the Military because my parents fled from Ireland during the Troubles. I want to either be a Pilot or and Intelligence Officer

Is it possible for me to do this? I have already have an application in, but it was stopped due to medical and I'm getting all the paperwork done.

God I really want to join.

>>31722081
Yeah I understand that but at least they get to do a lot of cool training instead of bitch work like regular infantry.
Ranger wasn't the best example I know.
I have a friend in the 75th he's been in almost 3 years I think and is either finally deploying for the first time soon or very recently just deployed.

I wonder who actually does see the most direct action out of all the special operations.

>>31721608
How long does a TS/SCI take? What does that involve?

>>31721890
You wont have a choice, and in order of precidence in terms of who picks jobs. It goes academy>rotc>everyone else. And everyone chooses combat then intel. You might be able to snag what you want but highly unlikely since so many people join and theres like 1 or 2 ocs classes a year now.

Are all CCTs part of the 24th STS?

>>31722196
Ah ok. I'm alright with working what I'm assigned until I have an opportunity to choose

>>31722101
Well that my friend would be CAG (combat actions group) it's just delta with a new name. Those guys are the most best operators America has to offer. Even the green berets and seals are a tier below cag.

>>31721998
If you wanna travel join the navy. If u wanna shoot guns and such specifically gunners mate job.

>>31722245
>gunners mate
That sounds like the shit

>>31722218
Just remember what i said above about the whole federal leo thing

>>31722240
I figured it would be them.
I've only met 1 man who was in Delta over the 10+ years I've lived in the MFF community.
I've met an endless amount of green berets and SEALs

>>31722288
Ok, thanks a lot.

>>31722200

Lolno, not as far as I know. Shoot for it though.

>>31721518

>(CJ degree not needed but it looks better)

Depends on the federal agency, but most of them actually prefer a hard skill STEM degree to CJ.

Take digital forensics (a HUGE part of federal law enforcement nowadays). It's easy to teach a Computer Science major to do criminal justice stuff. It's fucking impossible to teach a Criminal Justice major to effectively do computer stuff. Plus they know that CJ degrees are generally easy as shit to pass, so they're going to get dumber people on average than if they ask for STEM.

>>31722169

Generally 6-12 months for a full investigation. They won't wait for your TS/SCI to be done before you ship, you will generally have your investigation finished during secondary training.

I feel like an asshat for being in DEPs for almost a year and not asking this.

What are the best duty stations for the Navy?

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>/k/ says Airfuck chicks are hot
>actually encounter them
>fat monsters and single moms
>remembers that /k/ thinks dudes look like chicks

/k/ is officially barred from discussing women. You lied /k/. You have fucking shit taste and go for MexiRicans and bloated bar bitches.

These bitches are fucking busted. I have lost all respect for you purely because your taste in broads is shit. No military bitches look hot outside of the random 2nd Lieutenant from a party school.

>>31722840
Why would you think we would really give you the secret to cute military bitches?

You want the real truth?
Coast Guard hoes.

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>>31722861
Those are just as barrel shaped as any other military broad

These salvage title bitches have fucking flood damage.

/k/ is officially banned from discussing whether or not they think a broad is attractive.

>>31722690
State dept and certain DoD agent jobs require a cj related degree.

>>31722690
Anon wanted to do an LEO job related to police or agent, not something like forensics or psych or science type job that naturally requires a stem degree

>>31722890
What'd you expect man? That they'd all look like Sniper Wolf? Out of every 10 there is probably 1 good looking one and considering women make up less than a quarter of the military how could you think those odds were in you favor? Don't be so naive next time.

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>>31723022
You fucks talked them up.

This shit is on you. All of you. You have fucking shit taste. Someone needs to inform you. You as in the entire fucking board of /k/.

>>31721259
All 4 answers are wrong, somebody's fucking with you.

>>31716577
I do, and hopefully its a real war involving uniformed armies that actually know how to fight. Fighting Arab armies are like beating up the retarded kid at school.

I've just got a degree from an Ivy League. Which branch should I join and what as?

>>31723202
Join the Marines to be a giant doucher

>>31720117
Since it's not really a flightline job (slaving directly under the pro super), I think it's a good choice.

>>31722840
>You lied /k/.
I usually call bullshit on all the "AF chicks are hot" nonsense, but nobody listens to me.

which branch has the hottest girls?

>>31722977

Just looked at every State Department LEO-related job. None of them mentioned preference for a Bachelor's in CJ. What "DoD agent jobs" are you talking about? All of the intelligence agency jobs prefer STEM (CIA/DIA/NSA/FBI).

CJ is a meme degree, sorry bro. Half of the people in CJ are there because they think it's a good degree to skate by on because it is easy, the rest are there because they think they need a CJ degree to be a cop. Get good grades and they won't hold it against you, but don't kid yourself into thinking it'll give you a leg up over a hard-skills degree.

>>31722999

You're kidding yourself if you think 95 % of Federal law enforcement isn't done out of an office. "Forensics, psych, and science" is key to federal law enforcement. What do you think you're looking for here? FBI beat cop?

>>31723202

You obviously don't care about actually leveraging that degree or network, so just enlist as infantry.

>>31723278
The Marines for sure dude

>>31723278
Why should it matter? U shouldnt hook up with coworkers who can fuck with your pay by calling rape or harrassment

>>31721064
>18x
What weight lifting routine?

Any 35N's want to tell me how shitty AIT at Goodfellow AFB is?

Would having an open hit and run case cause problems for me when trying to enlist. I'm the victim so I don't think it should but just want to know what I should say about it.

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>>31720848
>doesn't even have GED
>doesn't understand what a waiver is
good luck bro

>>31720225
You're gonna fail the duck walk

>>31720907
Rangers
I'm doing 5k's and 5 miles, working on maxing my PT score and other general endurance and strength training

I run cross country, wrestle, and lacrosse

Junior in HS, joining soon as I graduate
>mods fuck off, I'm 18

>>31723829

Every AIT is the shittiest ever because it's the one you're at.

35Ns will tell you that Goodfellow is a hellhole, but the fact is that it sucks just as much as every other AIT because AIT sucks.

>>31721259
The answer would be p=3. All you need is middle school algebra to know that it's not real

I'm 5'10 and 135 pounds

Would 11x opt 40 take me or am I too much of a skelly for their liking?

>>31724030
I was hoping this would be the case. All the complaints seem to be about barracks/dorm quality

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>>31723202
Do what this guy did.

Well, don't do exactly what this guy did.

>>31721998
If you want combat, here's the list of the units to shoot for

>Army
Ranger
Special Forces(green berets)

>Marines(never go marines)
MARSOC
RECON

>Navy
You get three guesses faggot

Air Force(believe it or not, these specific units actually kick major ass)
Pararescue(PJ's)
Combat Controller(CCT's)
Get in shape fatty, and good luck

>>31724088
You'll be fine during basic but you'll want to put some meat on your scrawny ass afterwords.

>>31722200
No, but them and PJ's are who the 24th are recruiting from>>31722218

>>31723046
>trusting a people on a Himalayan yak trading website about women

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Any tips on how to go about becoming a Coast Guard AST?

So I'm a 4th year math major but I'm in a special program where we did a lot of stuff w/ meteorology and weather modeling. Redpill me on the Air Force weatherman special forces position

how do i get better at pull ups and running for Muhreens Corps? i can only do 2 pull ups and my running is kinda shit and i don't know why. also best marine jobs?

>>31724883
try C25K

pull ups look up programs for like your phone or w/e and just follow them

>>31724898
danks m8. when i get my phone fixed i will download them

>>31724947
You can find the C25K online and probably some other pull up progression website too

Only thing with C25K is timing yourself. the phone app makes that convenient

>>31724883
Armstrong pullup guide

At the hotel right now before MEPS tomorrow morning for the Navy. Hoping my rate is available if I pass medical. Want STG.

>>31716358
not. if youre not on antidepressants, and havent been for a couple of years

when you were young you didnt have the tools to handle your emotions as well as most. Now you do.

>>31725079
That's good, I never took any antidepressants, but I was at the dentist the other day and noticed it on my records so I was just worried about it. Thanks.

>>31722784
>What are the best duty stations for the Navy?
You should feel like an (((((asshat))))) for asking such an objective question. What do you mean by best?

>>31723828
SL5x5 with some accessories thrown in. Its a beginner routine but i still enjoy the simplicity of it.

>>31724883
>also best marine jobs?
There are none, join the army instead.

Air Force girls are definitely not the wlrst. Marine girls are. I'd say navy >af>army>marines when it comes to women.
t. Someone at Tech school with all branches minus coastguard

>>31725204
I picked marines for "muh title" and i want to challenge myself hardcore and shit like that, but i am still considering Army Stronk. Best jobs Army then?

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>>31725349
>I picked marines for "muh title" and i want to challenge myself hardcore and shit like that
This is what bugs me about you people. If you actually want all that and more than go Army Ranger. There is literally no reason to ever join the marines end of story. Every thing you think they offer the other branches have better versions of plus a better overall lifestyle.
Like I said, if you are looking for a challenge and to be billy bad ass than get an 18x or Opt40 contract.

>>31725284
>One piece of shit is less shitty than the other pieces of shit
Military women are trash. Go fuck local civilians.

>>31725204
>good weather
>good food nearby
>nice locals
Just anywhere where I can go on liberty and have a good time. Japan is the one that I always hear talked up.

>>31716111
Oh my god you f*cking RACIST! P*ss off back to >>>/pol/ please you moron loser.

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>>31725561
TriedToHard/10

>>31725545
>Japan
I can say for sure it used to be that way. Not sure if its still as good but still probably good. This is because some stupid sailors/marines get drunk there every so often and go ape shit. Last i heard some marine raped a local girl and so that caused a huge liberty restriction. Its still probably great though. The 2 big ship bases there are Yokosuka and Sasebo. I been to both and Sasebo is good but Yoko is amazing. Its like an hr outside Tokyo plus theres bars and restaurants are right off base.

With all that being said i was stationed at 32nd street in San Diego. HIGHLY recommend. Living in San Diego was next to being in Heaven. 75 degrees year round. Beachs everywhere. Amazing food, amazing nightlife. Massive amounts of hot chicks.

As far as big bases go id say San Diego and Yoko are the best but Hawaii is great too. For east coast Norfolk supposedly sucks ass but the deployments to Europe are supposedly very good.

>>31719966
I think the navy allows you to choose your job at meps.

>>31725922
Correct
>>31719966
Friendly reminder youre a moron and should stop posting

>>31719966
Friendly reminder 911 was an inside job orchestrated to get us to buy more of Torgo's Executive Powder

>>31725561
Spot the triggered airfag. Go back to your hugbox.

>>31725922
>>31725938
Dont even compare the navy and army when it comes to choosing a job.

In the navy, can you say, i want gunners mate or corpsman or seal or swcc, and actually get that exact job before even finishing meps medical or do any extra shit besides asvab? Nope

They only offer you jobs off the list period. Army just makes a call, or you can wait for the job to open up without any negative reprecussions.

>>31726148

Navy and Army have basically the same deal, anon.

You choose your job at MEPS, you can back out if the one you want isn't there but it'll piss your recruiter off.

Only difference is the Army "reservation" system where your recruiter can try to grab you a slot off the list before you go to MEPS. But if anything happens at MEPS and you can't sign that day, the reservation goes away.

If I enlist 35F with a degree, how difficult is it to after say 6 months or a year get into OCS?

>>31726148
See >>31726176
Youre a fucking moron why are you shilling for the army? You can choose your job in the Navy.

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To become a USMC Critical Skills Operator

Do you have to go in as a Rifleman or is there a better set of skills one should shoot for before putting in your Critical Skills Operator package?

>>31726203

You will only barely be arriving at your first duty station after a year. While there's no hard time limit on dropping an OCS packet, you need to be known as a good troop and have the support of your chain of command if you want the process to go smoothly.

That means at least a year at your first duty station, so you're looking at 2~ years in the Army on the low end.

But the better question is: Why the hell are you enlisting if you want to be an officer? That's not how you become an officer.

>>31726209
no, youre fucking ignorant if you believe you have the same freedom of choice in the navy compared to army.

In the army you can literally pick any job thats off list. Navy you cant. Youre stuck with the choices on the list. If you want a closed job in the army all they do is make a phone call.

For example if all that was on list for navy was boatswain, youre stuck choosing that job or walking. If it was the army you could say i will only take crypto and they would make a call and get it.

>>31726203
Why would you enlist if you want officer?

>>31726313

Try pulling that shit with a small job field. Yeah, you can call the Recruiting Operations Center and score a 68W or an 11B in a pinch, but that's because you're getting the slot from some dumbass who reserved it and failed their pee test at MEPS.

They can't just magic up rare jobs like dog handler, firefighter, or watercraft operator.

The Navy can do the same thing if you want a common job, they make a phone call and see if any have opened up (no-shows, etc)

>>31726325
Because he's a dumbass. "I wunt duh respeck frum bein enlist furst". Which means he won't be going OCS.

He'll be that guy with the superiority complex who leaves as a butthurt E-5.

>>31726358
My dad who was in the Army a long time ago told me it's a good idea so it's not just something I mentally came up with. I didn't believe that it was a good idea so I thought I'd check here. Thanks. He's probably just salted that he wasn't an officer

>>31726425

>My dad who was in the Army a long time ago told me it's a good idea

Your dad is wrong. If you want to be an officer then go be an officer. Plenty of people enlist with degrees because they don't want to be an officer. It's a choice you have to make.

>>31726345
Yes they can....i got a 35M slot in early 2010, when that shit was closed for half a year. 20k bonus and the kicker. Literally went to recruiter, did asvab, and was told shit was closed. They called recruiting command and after being on hold for 3 hours, they got me the job i wanted plus language school.

I know 31k and watercraft people, so idk how hard it is to get those jobs. Must not be impossible.

>>31726425
Ya it would only be a good option if you didnt already have a degree. If you didnt, then you could go to academy after a year in and become an officer that way

>>31726467
>>31726498
Alright thanks, I'll know not to listen to my dad about this stuff (he was in during Vietnam so most things were prolly different)

>>31726313
>no, youre fucking ignorant
well i was in the Navy so how about you eat shit and die

>>31726209
The two times i went to a navy recruiter to support a friend joining, said the same shit. You can pick your job, from whats available. Even when I asked if they could do what I knew army recruiters could do and call it in, they said they dont do that. The two friends who joined got high 80s and 90s qt scores, and their line scores were high, so its not like they werent qualified to do the jobs. Then both recruiters said the shpeel about if you dont pick a job off the list im gonna blacklist you from joining the navy through any of the recruiters in the county. So 1 friend went swcc, and the other went crypto, even though that wasnt their first choice. This was at 2 seperate recruiting stations, one in CA, and one in VA.

>>31721138
Assistant manager at (chain store)

>tfw built like a beanpole
I'm fucking worried
How do they deal with people who are shit at PT but aren't fat?

>>31716411
yes by joining the Guard but guaranteed that you will miss a semester of college. You will almost guaranteed be a better officer though because you will actually know what enlisted troops go through and 99% of the time newfag LT's straight out of college are idiots. Go enlisted before you commission. Anyone who tells you otherwise is an idiot.

>>31716439
Just get your mind ready for the Army or Marine Corps on an infantry contract

>>31718079
>>31718134
>>31718329
>>31718438
thank you for the info. ill talk to a recruiter, but ill give more consideration to other rates. IS seems interesting and also looking into Army now for Crypto since I have a pal in the program now who's liking it a lot

>>31718134
I'm Army and have oddly enough met a few nukes. I'm yet to meet one who can tie his shoes on his own. Also, leadership through attrition in the job is definitely not a meme. Most of those idiots couldn't lead shit in to a toilet.

Is it faster to get 35L or 71sx if you already have your associate's?

>>31721138
MP officers who weren't enlisted first are the worst officers. Go enlisted first. If you don't, KYS.

>>31727105
>Most of those idiots couldn't lead shit in to a toilet.

So what you're saying is, most nukes are indian

>>31722096
If that doesn't work out, go for the French Foreign Legion since it will literally be your only other option.

>>31721518
>obviously not a fed LEO

The past few years it has been almost impossible to get hired as a fed LEO without 5 point military preference. 5 point preference trumps a degree for 1801 positions. 1811 positions pretty much require 5 point preference, form 1801 or local LEO and a degree.

t. fed LEO

>>31727190
former*

sorry for the typo but added just in case reeeeee

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Can someone redpill me on the muhreens and 0311? Mostly in the following areas.
>what happens after boot and ait
>where will I most likely get stationed
>where will I most likely get deployed if things stay the way they are?
>am I a shitbag for wanting to join because I have nothing better to do, and just kinda want to be able to "say I did it."
>what is the eating glue and crayons meme all about?
>is the meme about army DS's being softer than muhreen DI's true?

Tfw I love to cook, and wouldn't mind being a cook, but I feel like id be looked at as a joke while in, and after I get out.

>>31727120
no, makes no difference. Only way to get 35L is to have 2 years time in service and be at least an E4.

>>31727216
Oh, forgot one.
>how does one become a drill instructor?

>>31727190
Im not a LEO, im an investigator. I was just giving info on what the avg exp/edu that people have who are hired for these jobs. Plus I told anon to go officer no matter what job hes assigned since it still looks good on resume.

>>31727232

Is the 2 years strictly necessary? I can go in directly as an E4 at this point, so after training I figured I could just drop a packet.

>>31727452

Wait, nevermind, 18 months is required with the waiver.

Do 12Bs do the same PT shit like rucking at the same frequency that 11Bs do?

Hoping someone with SOF knowledge knows but why do Matt best and some other famous rangers like nick Irving talk about wearing chuck Taylors like it's a super cool inside joke?

>>31727452
Yes because you need to be E4 promotable. AKA able to be promoted to Sgt by the time your at the AIT for 35L. You can look up the requirements just google it.

>>31727644
Cause thats what operators wear obviously.

You can actually google what army units used chuck taylors or palladiums.

>>31727707
Yea but why?

Dude I met at school is former enlisted and says he was a "White House liaison". What sort of job would he have had MOS wise? Is he overselling so to speak what his job was?

>>31728005
Honestly, he could be any MOS. I knew someone who was a liason whos job was microwave transmitter operator or something, and she never did that job ever. She worked admin and such until the white house gig.

>>31720782
i think the muzzie's trying to show he did the same thing as cool clock man with just a rock

>>31728088
Thanks

I'm guessing there are more people who work in the White House than I think

>>31728097
ya, theres everything from general to janitor

>>31728109
That's what I figured

My brother is 16 and is pretty set on joining the Army when he graduates high school so I've been lurking these threads trying to find stuff to help give him advice

>>31728165
>my brother

reported for underage

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Will they d-q me for this? I got a scratch from my friends broken center console in his truck a few weeks back. I don't want them to think it's a self harm scar.

>>31724062
B8

>>31724207
>never go marines
Why?

>>31728165
Well, if he has over a 3.0 gpa, he can apply for west point if that interests him. Cutoff is junior year of highscool. I missed my cutoff date because I didnt know and ended up going after my 2nd year as enlisted. Academy is okay, and most of the bad shit people say about it is from the shit heads who cant follow the rules. The classes are awesome though, theres only a few military colleges that teach in depth military courses, and even those are hard to get into without knowing someone or being a legacy.

>>31728209
Nah I've just read too many stories of people blaming recruiters for fucking their life up and it seems the common denominator is the individual signing up didn't ask enough questions/do enough research ahead of time. Just trying to make sure my brother doesn't make some mistake
>>31728235
He's pretty dead set on enlisting after he graduates

>>31721518
>CJ degree not needed but it looks better

Lol no it doesn't.

I was in DC a couple of weeks ago talking to FBI recruiters. Unless you speak a critical language or are a cyber guru and CJ REALLY interests you enough to go through a degree program, stay away. This is literally from the mouth of the FBI. They get so many people who don't know what the FBI does who go for CJ degrees and they turn away thousands of people with CJ degrees every month.

>>31728299
Well when he enlists, make sure he doesnt sign for more than 4 years. 5 years if its a intel job that isnt 35F. Anything more and hes being trolled. Also, only bonus that is worth it is the GI bill kicker, it adds another 900$ to his monthly payments when he goes to school. I know a guy who makes 4200$ a month going to school on the GI bill. 800$ from bonus, 500$ from vocrehab, and 2900$ from gi bill. And thats all tax free for the 4 years hes going to school.

>>31728214
yeah that's automatic dq. sorry man. you don't get to join if your skin isn't pristine

Y'all say that an "easier" way into high speed units is often to go into intel and then at AIT request to go to Airborne school or whatever, but which intel MOS would really qualify for that? I don't think a 35F is going to be wanted, but I might be wrong

>>31728214
put a band aid on it and have ur recruiter kiss it, then they might let you in

>>31728347
>I don't think a 35F is going to be wanted

Why do you think that?

>>31728358
It sounds like it's more of a desk job but I might be wrong. I guess if you have the analytical skills and the PT scores you'd be desired

I'm thinking of enlisting after I graduate college because I'm not too keen on becoming an officer so I'm just trying to do some research. I guess I was wrong. Thanks.

>>31728370
>It sounds like it's more of a desk job

You just described every single intel MOS. Even the "sexy" 35L has desk work to be done.

It's hilarious that there are still people in these threads who have never even been in the military acting like they are SMEs about what difference MOSs actually do.

>>31728326
I interview people hired for fed leo jobs, not specifically for FBI. And they do look favorably at CJ related degrees. The majority of former FBI agents I have interviewed have CJ related degrees.

I have a friend currently going through the process for FBI specifically, and his recruiter told him his masters in CJ made up for the lack of work exp on his resume, since all he has is 1 years of engineering work exp, and 3 years as admin for army, he has a bullshit engineer degree from a Devry type university.

>>31728214
Just tell them what happened. They know what to look for. If there is any confusion the have a psych dr at meps they'll have you talk to if they think you're bsing them. Even then, as long as you seem like you have a good head on your shoulders, and the story doesn't sound like bs (which yours doesn't) you'll be fine.

>>31717948
oh fuck thats kinda smart actually

>>31728347
The reason 35F is talked alot here is because that specific intel mos has a shit ton of open slots for schools compared to cool intel jobs like 35M. Rarely any paper pushers go for the extra shit which is the reason why so few people try out.

>>31728388
>And they do look favorably at CJ related degrees.

That is not what two different employees of the FBI who handle recruiting told me while we were in the Starbucks in the Hoover building.

They checked first to make sure I wasn't in a CJ program before they said it.

>his masters in CJ
>1 years of engineering work exp
>3 years as admin for army

These three things are not the same as having a Bachelor's in CJ.

>>31728416
Original anon who started question topic i responded to had a bachelors in english...and he wanted mp officer for leo exp. I told him its gonna be highly unlikely he gets that going straight to ocs without rotc. So he should work on a masters in CJ while hes in.

>>31728443
I would say avoid CJ even if it's a Master's because of saturation, but the person you're talking about had engineering experience (even if only a year) in addition to military experience and a Master's.

After a personal level Q&A what was recommended was to have something that makes you stand out from, this is paraphrasing, the sea of directionless applicants with CJ degrees. One of the guys I was with on the trip is at a decent level of fluency in Hungarian, I already had intel experience (and I met the previous applicant in an intensive Russian language program), another had interned with the DoE and FEMA.

None of us were in CJ programs and that was cited as a positive.

>>31723282
Missed this post, I couldnt find a job posting on usajobs for DoS job Im talking about, but heres one for customs that has the same wording for the education qualifications as the state dept one im talking about.

And not every agent is a stem major. Otherwise their company would be undermanned. How many stem majors take a pay cut coming out of university to work for the gov when they can get paid way more? Its the same as saying Army only takes stem graduates into OCS. How many random civs do you think actually join the army after university without having done ROTC? We had philosophy and poetry majors, were they outliers? No.

>>31722977
>State dept and certain DoD agent jobs require a cj related degree.

>State dept
>Requiring a CJ degree

I didn't realize you had to show your CJ degree before you could take the Foreign Service Officer exam.

>>31728495
I completely understand where youre coming from and have heard the same things. But the problem with those statements those recruiters put out is that how many educated and target language fluent citizens actually apply for the FBI? They are unrealistic expectations. They just say that to make the job sound competitive. Its just like how the army says they wont take anyone without a stem degree and above a 3.0GPA, its just not true. All companies need employees.

Also, again, my info is coming from my interviews of people for their clearances for gov jobs. The majority of edu background I see for LEO type positions is CJ.

>>31726778
Ya thats called recruiter bullshit. They lied and you pussys fell for it.

>>31727216
Dude like for real? Just read about the Marine Corps. This is basic information.

>>31728515
I applogize, I didnt mean required I meant preferred. I couldnt find a foreign service job posting on usa jobs but heres a link to one that has similar wording to the state job.

https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/453141100/

>>31728500
forgot to include link in this post

>>31728526
>The majority of edu background I see for LEO type positions is CJ.

Which is why I would recommend to stay away from CJ unless you meet two criteria:

You have other attributes and skills which make you stand far above most CJ undergrads/grads AND you just like CJ so much you can't stand the thought of not getting a CJ degree.

This isn't the first time I've heard someone working in law enforcement say NOT to get a CJ degree. I've also heard it from people working at the local and state agency levels.

http://www.datpiff.com/ISIS-Islamic-State-In-Sacramento-Isis-Mixtape.807888.html

looks like the muslims are recruiting too.

>>31728535
Cool. Glad to know out of the 2 times i brought up the whole phone call thing in regards to 2 high scoring applicants, they are adamant on their position for only picking jobs from whats offered and that there is no other choice for job selection. Good thing the army lets you choose your job.

>>31728550
All I hear from LEO is to not get a CJ degree too. But when the majority of actual LEO people have CJ degrees. Im talking all ages and exp, then that must mean something? Its not like their not getting hired. Otherwise they wouldnt be getting these background checks. I have seen only one guy with a poetry degree, wonder why he got hired?

>>31728579
>But when the majority of actual LEO people have CJ degrees. Im talking all ages and exp, then that must mean something?

That people who got told to get an education or get out are skating by going through CJ programs?

>>31728588
These are people going into other agency LEO positions usually GS9 and above. Like I said, I dont do checks on FBI specifically, since they have their own guys specifically for agent positions. Most of the guys leaving FBI are doing so for money or work location. I havnt processed anyone who got downsized, because that shit doesnt happen nowadays. Since everyone has a minimum of a bachelors degree. From what i heard, pre 2004 didnt have a set education requirement. They took exp alone. But now, the degree is required.

look at >>31728546
job link and see the edu requirement if lacking exp

>>31728546
Not anon you're responding to.

Didnt know about this site. Does usajobs post for all agencies? It looks like you can supplement work experience with education. How long does it take to hear back? Theres a analyst position near my area I want to apply for.

Any anons knowledgeable about usajobs?

>>31728567
>Cool. Glad to know out of the 2 times i brought up the whole phone call thing in regards to 2 high scoring applicants, they are adamant on their position for only picking jobs from whats offered and that there is no other choice for job selection. Good thing the army lets you choose your job.
Ya thats called bluffing. All you had to say was fine black list me then, im going next door to the army recruiter. They would have changed their tune very quickly. Btw stop bragging about "high scoring", I got a 95 and no one cares.
I dont get what point youre trying to prove. Are you trying to get people to join the Army instead of the Navy or what?

>>31728859
The point was that you can actually choose your job in the army vs choose from a list in the navy.

>>31716111

I worked for years in the funeral industry.

Why the the Army want to make me a 92M?

I want shoot shit and stuff.

>>31728868
Well im sorry about your friends but i know that i chose my job.

>>31728890
Cause thats what youre good at?
If you dont want to though then dont.

Anyone here who was stationed in the Philippines as PH-US relations are kill and you have to git?

I am among the people who think that the prez is going full retard.

Though I agree that Obama can fuck off for trampling on your gun rights

>>31726086
Spotted the dumbass Army guy who can't into trolling.

>>31728230
Because the army has at least the same and frequently better everything than the marines, and more opportunities for advancement. Once you're a marine, you're always a marine, but once you go army, there's no limit to the cool shit you can do

>Most of the jobs I want to enter require me to be in for several years as an enlisted to make the necessary rank
>The officer equivalent you can enter immediately
>I'll be done with my degree in 2 years

If I go enlisted I can do what I want after a few years of doing something that I don't want to do. If I go officer I can do what I want for a few years until I either get promoted out of field work or bumped out for bad OPRs due to too much field work and not enough officer-ing.

It's like the opposite of the cat-bird seat.

>>31730243
What jobs?

>>31730584

HUMINT/CI.

Don't say 35M, that isn't the kind of HUMINT I mean.

>>31730662
How are you going to get an intel slot for officer without rotc or academy? Unless you do have one of those. I assume youre wanting army since they do the majority of humint.

You know you could just do 35M(I know you said not 35M), then 35L after 2 years or 1 year after DLI if they still make 35M do that.

But i still recommend getting degree first over option of enlisting. I know alot of guys say you can get degree while in, but thats if you actually have the time to do it. Between the daily bullshit and random bullshit that can occur during the workday or weekend, you might not even be able to take one class let alone attend enough courses for half time. There was one year I wasnt even allowed to use tuition assistance through army because our command banned it from our unit due to people ditching work assignments to attend class.

Get the degree first, this way, when you get out and apply for a civ job youll already have the minimum requirement for whatever gov job you want.

Can you try to sign up to a different branch after you've taken the ASVAB

>>31731085
Yes

>>31731085
You can do a 360° and moonwalk out at any point in your process and try any other branch as long as you haven't signed a contract.

>>31731064

Getting Intel through OCS in the Air Force isn't hard because the hot AFSCs are rated.

35L takes ~2 years to get into through army, which is the time I have left on my degree anyway. The only faster option is marines which lets me hit e4 1 year in and immediately drop a packet. I'm not hot enough on either of those to do them.

>>31731568
Airforce doesnt do humint...

>>31731568
You know if u go officer youre still gonna need to do 5-6 years before youre qualified for anything above entry level in civ land

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H-help bros!

How do I pass the ASVAB with at least a (ST) 91?

>>31732581
Really?
You're asking how to do well on a test?
.......
Have you tried studying yet?

>>31732693
I know I have to study, but how? Could you give me like a website or something?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2Vod8NUE0M

still funny 8 years later

Any Army Britbongs here? How long does it take from the initial application to go off to Basic Training?

Anybody here in Comm? I'm really stressing the security + certification. Does anybody have any experience with the test on here and working in comm? I'm Air Force going to Germany as soon as I pass my cert

>>31731777

They do at the officer level.

>>31731893

Core collector is entry level.

How much time do you have to shitpost on 4chan while in the military?

Also Airman In Tech school feel free to ask questions about training and shit. Only been in 7 months but I doubt they're many airman in these threads and I'm not a complete retard.

>>31733331
Me

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>>31733419
Soooooo much sometimes.

All you guys here in /MEG/ are likely super focused on basic/boot, where your access to stuff like /k/ will be cut off. But you all have to realize that while basic training seems like a fucking big deal right now, it is a very small part of being in the military.

Once you're in a unit, you go back to your permanent house or barracks (which is more like a shitty apartment not a line of green blanketed cots as most people imagine). You can shitpost as much as you want on your off time.

And you will almost certainly have situations where you are stuck at work, but only because you are waiting on orders and have nothing to do. In such times, you whip out the phone and hop on 4chan.

>>31732709
Yeah bro.
Google.com

>>31733130
ETADIK

>>31731777

They do, but you either need a degree or 8 years enlisted in the intelligence field to do it.

>>31725204
Is SL the best strength conditioning for SF? It focuses on deadlifts and squats so the rucking won't kill you and it's simple and easy enough to give you plenty of time to do your running.

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>in airborne holdover waiting to get reclassed from 18x
>infantry certified
>high ASVAB score

>mfw its gonna be a cook or mechanic

>>31734135

Mechanic maybe, because there's a bunch of different kinds. Cook probably not, it's not that large of a field.

>>31734135
>reclassed from 18x
Ayyyyy what happened
How'd you fail?

>>31733331
I took it back in 2007. It was cake.

>Does anybody have any experience .. working in comm?
I've been in comm since 2003. Done 3C0, 2E2, RF Trans, Cyber Surety, and now I'm back to Cyber Transport (yes, lots of time in Biloxi). What do you want to know?

>>31733419
>How much time do you have to shitpost on 4chan while in the military?
Zero. I'm just just about always busy.

How hard would it be to go from marine enlisted to air force officer?

>>31734911
We've got a Captain in my unit who did that. Note: ANG, not ADAF, but I'm pretty sure he's an AGR.

How do people who have never been in the military and have full time jobs join the Army National Guard? I can't see how I could ever take the 6 months - 1 year off work for basic and all the different schools. Am I basically fucked out of it because I missed the shot to go during the summer in high school and college?

>>31735041
Well, I think there are laws against firing people for deploying/going to school.

Though I've never seen a person lose their job, they often lose money if their employer doesn't pay them at all for the period that they are deployed/at school.

>>31735041
>>31735096

Not only is it illegal to fire someone for joining the military, you have to give them their job back for up to 5 years, and you can't count it against their benefits and seniority.

>>31735125
Is this true for active duty too?

Is a CJ degree really that useless? Looks like I'm going to have to reconsider the military.

>>31735315
No. Not at all.

>>31735394
Ok ARNG it is then!

>>31735315
>>31735394

It actually is. You can go AD and they have to keep your job.

>>31735489
But if I go Guard I can basically do deployments for up to a year (or more???) and then go back to advancing my civilian career (LE) for a year or so and switch between the two, have the best of both worlds. Any flaws with this master plan?

>>31735489
I was interpreting his question as, can I:
1. Leave job
2. Go straight active duty (no prior service)
3. Get my job back after 4 years

Which I don't see happening.

So apparently only the navy and the army allow you to pick your job? Is there a way to pick your job in the air force?

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Hey guys, going to meet an USAF recruiter later this week, what are some cool jobs I should look out for if I mainly want to join for travel? Loadmaster, Boom Operator, mainly just the aircrew afsc's? How critically manned/odds are of getting one of these job

>>31735654

I don't care what you see happening, that's what you're legally entitled to under USERRA.

I'm probably going to drop out of college, and I'd like to join the military (USA), but I have a dog, and my parents will not take care of it for a long period of time. Should I consider joining the air force (I live near a military airport), National Guard, or reserves? are there other roles that allow me to live at home most of the time? I intended to do my service, learn what I can, save every penny, and when I get out start a co-op business. I'm 20 years old and in good physical condition.

>>31735850
"performed by a member of a uniformed service who is:
*ordered to or retained on active duty;
*ordered to or retained on active duty (other than for training) under any provision of law because of a war or national emergency declared by the President or the Congress. as determined by the Secretary concerned;
*ordered to active duty (other than for training) in support, as determined by the Secretary concerned, of an operational mission for which personnel have been ordered to active duty;
*ordered to active duty in support, as determined by the Secretary concerned, of a critical mission or requirement of the uniformed services; or
*called into Federal service as a member of the National Guard."
I still don't think it applies to someone with no prior service voluntarily signing up.

>>31734827
I'm going to Ramstein. I'm Cyber Ops and I dunno I'm over in 336 and the pass rate for sec + is only like 60% they changed the test since you've taken it. 401 is the current I hear its nothing like the previous versions. Leadership is really cranky about some pdf going around about test compromise. But is comm as relaxed as I think its going to be. I mean I feel like I'll put the chair in chair force. I'm hoping to cross train into Cyber Trans because it seems more marketable on the outside. Honestly I'm really glad I went comm. it seems really comfy. What are you opinions of it.?

>>31736010
>But is comm as relaxed as I think its going to be. I mean I feel like I'll put the chair in chair force.
It depends on where you go, I suppose. At FE Warren, I had to keep myself busy. At my current location, I'm quite busy.

>What are you opinions of it.?
Beats the hell out of flightline maintenance. That's what I did for my first two enlistments.

Alright, I have been doing calisthenics and distance running for about a month maybe a little more, and before that just did generic /fit/ lifting(SS, greyskull). What would be a good routine geared completely toward maxing pft scores? I don't care about aesthetics, just maximum scores.

>>31716111
How does the government look at enlisting after an employment gap?
Say if a person has 4-5 years of NEETing, would this effect their chances negatively?

>>31736085
you know the events of the pft? How about practicing those?
for some excercises, you can do advanced versions of them, like pushups, you try doing diamond grip pushups or one handed pushups.

>>31736242
Right now I do a calisthenics routine with stuff like one handed pushups, pistol squats, close grip pullups, etc. and am running on off days. I was wondering if anyone had a set routine for training just to max pft scores.

>>31736085
>>31736265
The pft is easy as fuck, if you actually need help you probably arent in good shape.

How can I become a FAST company Marine

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Just got a temporary DQ for Navy enlistment pending an optometrist visitation.

What the hell is the point of even accepting people with glasses in if you're gonna tell them to fuck off for bad eyesight. Man, fuck MEPS.

>>31734676

didnt pass the 240 mark brother, now ive been sitting here with 20 other dudes in hold for the past two months and we've just heard yesterday that ATARS wasnt tracking us lmao

So now we got to wait five days for someone there to get in touch with HRC and sort this shit out. Ah well, Benning aint that bad.

I'm planning on enlisting into the Australian Army soon. What is recruit training like for the ADF? Any ADF bros able to answer?

>>31735932
Youre gonna have to be at basic training and ait for about 4 months at a minimum anon

>>31736767
>didnt pass the 240 mark brother
Can you please explain how this is possible? Were you just not ready before hand? Like what was the problem?

>>31736767
Damn bro you went 18x knowing you couldn't PT?
I'm not trying to be a shit head honestly I'm trying to get in shape for CCT so I'd like to know what the struggles were.
I mean were you just not ready or got hurt or was there something you weren't expecting and didn't train for?

>>31735328
Its not useless, if you read thread the info goes like this.

Anon A says a fbi recruiter and several LEO professionals say a CJ degree is useless

Vs

Anon B who does the background checks for federal LEO and says the majority of LEO have degrees in CJ

If the majority of LEO getting hired have CJ degrees, how do they get hired if only non CJ are getting hired according to recruiters?

>>31736983
>CJ degree desperately trying to justify life choices.

>>31737004
I dont have a cj degree. I have a business/cs degree. I work as an investigator for a firm that contracts for opm. I do background checks for .gov which include LEO personnel.

>>31736983
I did read that exchange, but I just came away from it unsure. Oh well, worst comes to worst I haven't racked up any debt and at least I'd have a degree.

>>31737036
Hey prick, hook it up with a TS clearance

>>31737060
Dude u have no idea how easy this job is. Honestly it only takes about a month for the whole process.

Most people dont know but how the job works is, they assign us about 10-20 cases a month we have to complete. And we only have to complete about 70% to not look like shit. So most investigators, especially opm ones, delay cases by months by just saying they couldnt track down a name in the case.

>>31737124
Godamn I just want my ship date fucking clearance REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Does the TS/SCI include a polygraph component? How does that work anyway is that once you're in?

>>31737167
Ship date clearance? Dunno what u mean by that.

You only get a poly if the unit you end up in requires one to work there. Otherwise you dont get one. There are plenty of guys with TS/sci and no poly

>>31737124
Do you ever get people who can't supply a lot of references because of their lack of social connections? Does it look suspicious to you?

Would going into the USAF for Cyber Ops or going in for air crew be more beneficial? Cyber Ops would allow for a ton of civilian potential but apparently air crew is easily one of the best enlisted jobs?

>>31737195
Cont

Also fyi mil clearances fall under DoD, they dont carry over to DoJ jobs like fbi or agencies like CIA . They do their own background and clearance checks. So dont worry about timing your end of mil service with future job goals. They make you go through the process all over again for their clearances

>>31737217
Yes, all the time. I myself, when i first enlisted had a lack of names. For schools i put down counselors, for residences i put down bldg managers. One of the character references i put down was my dads coworker i never met.

>>31736635
At least you didn't get perma DQ'd

>>31736983
>If the majority of LEO getting hired have CJ degrees, how do they get hired if only non CJ are getting hired according to recruiters?

More people with CJ degrees are applying in raw numbers. That doesn't mean you're more likely to get hired by virtue of simply having a CJ degree and having one does nothing to make you stand out as an applicant.

FLETC can teach you to be a cop, what's more important is what else you can bring to the table (languages, foreign travel, different education experiences etc.)

>>31736983

The majority of Americans are fat, the majority of police are Americans. Better get fat to be a cop.

>CJ logic

>>31737485
No, these are people already hired. I am doing ssbi and naclc checks on them for their ts/ss clearances.

And this isnt for entry level for the most part they are GS9 or above

>>31737638
>Not entry level
>GS-9 and above

What kind of shit-tier agency is this? Why would anyone start that low?

That's less than an E-5 in the military makes.

>>31737574
>>31737574
>>31737574

>>31737372
It's bullshit though, they're gonna eat up another two to three days of my time and stick me in a hotel with a cunt klepto roommate again.

Food was OK I guess.

>>31737679
Gs9 isnt entry level...gs5 and 7 are. In my area thats 75k a year for a gs9.

>>31737730

Sounds like trash tier jobs, desu. I got offered an 11 out of the military. Maybe because I don't have a CJ degree?

Why

>>31737730

Also there is no locality where a 9 makes 75k, especially to start. You're only getting there with bonuses.

>>31737760
Cool for you? Most of these people are civs....and i said gs9 and above....that includes 10 11 12 etc...

I work for a DoD contractor so most of the jobs is through that. Ocassionaly we work the other depts like state or doj. But mostly DoD

>>31737789
I know...these arent entry level employees im talking about

>>31737811

So they're not entry level, why are they still 9s? Even if they're senior 9s, they aren't making 75k in any locality.

Sounds like you're making shit up, desu.

>>31737638
>No, these are people already hired.

This does not contradict what I've said.

Hypothetical:

You have 900 applicants with CJ degrees and 100 applicants with other degrees and they all apply for the same position.

400 CJ degrees get hired and 100 other degrees get hired.

You can't then say having a CJ degree increases your chance of being hired just because the majority of those hired have CJ degrees you're ignoring that CJ degrees are heavily saturated among applicants.

In this situation CJ degrees have a less than 50% hire rate while other degrees have 100%.

>>31737829
These are people already hired....aka im re investigating them for their clearances. I work in north VA which is why the salary is higher. When i started out as a gs7 my salary is 63k a year in san francisco. So idk why you think the wages are too high? Do you live in a low cost of living area?

>>31737927

>I work in north VA which is why the salary is higher

NOVA GS-9 pay scale, step 10 (IE, you've been a 9 for-fucking-ever and maxed out) is just over $69,000/yr. San Francisco (literally the highest adjustment) doesn't break 75k until they're absolutely maxed. That's a shit-tier job considering you're ten years in at that point.

This is public information. Most GS-9s make less than 65k, even in the very expensive areas. Quit your bullshit.

>>31736913
I can handle that. go on.

>>31737904
So...even though the majority of hires are CJ, it means dont get a CJ degree, okay. Im done repeating myself about the whole CJ degree topic. Im just stating the info that the majority of LEO people i investigate for fed jobs have cj degrees. Kudos to anyone who has a stem degree and gets hired.

>>31737965
Holy fucking jesus. Why are you stuck on gs9 wages? All you did was confirm what i said about how much they make. So what if those gs9 i investigated are stuck at that pay scale? When i switched jobs to north va, i started out as a gs9 with a 68k a year salary. Now i work for a private company and make 85k for minimal work. Whats the issue? Do you want to brag about how you promoted faster than others and make more money? Good for you.

>>31737730
>In my area thats 75k a year for a gs9.

>>31738109

>Makes shit up to try and prove he's a badass.
>Backpeddles with a quickness when people call him out on his bullshit.

>>31738185
It only sounds like im backpedalling because im repeating myself over and over again to anons who have no real world understanding of how fed jobs work for civs.

Are you that anon who immediately bragged about being a gs11 when they got out? Do you know that regular civs dont just start out as a gs11 unless they have a phd. Unlike mil where you can come out as an e7 and apply for an 11 position.

I'm interested in going SF (like every other faggot here,) but I'm not too fond of heat. Any Arctic warfare specialist units/cold deployments?