/brg/ Battle Rifle General

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>>31596603

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Set up a bunch of 1l bottles full of water at 50 and 100 yards.

One of them tried to reach a low earth orbit when I hit it. Why would one launch 50ft in the air and the rest of them just kind of jump back a bit and tip over?

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>>31596629
should i buy FAL metric wood stock for $50 over a synthetic for $40

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Fresh paint on the rifle.

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Taking out my Sig716 for its maiden voyage tomarrah. I am excite!

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Reporting in.

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>>31596734

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>>31596705
Getting ready for winter?

>>31596723
Nice rig.

>>31596734
>>31596770
That was a damn good deal.

>>31596723
mmmmh that is one good looking pipe right there

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>>31596821
>>31596828
Thankee kindly!

I see why folks have complained about the sig716 though. This setup is fucking HEAVY. This thing with the scope is easily 20+lbs. I think it's even heavier than my 24" bull barrel JP I think.

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Gonna get a TA11 for my sweetie.

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>>31596647
wood

>>31596821
Thanks! Taking it out Tuesday to test MOA. Can post results once I do.

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>>31596634
Probably hydraulic/hydrostatic shock. Basically you hit it just right that the force of the water being kicked around by the bullet produced enough force for take off.

Since I see a M14 clone I assume I can play.

Just got a SVT-40, can't wait to shoot it.

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So is the whole "PTR-91 is a mediocre rifle for impoverished poorfags" line a meme?

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>>31597181
what year?

>>31597210
by meme you mean 100% true fact right?

>>31597262

You're a meme.

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>>31596951
>This thing with the scope is easily 20+lbs.
What is it made of? My PTR with the wide forearm, bi-pod, and scope only weighs ~13# loaded.

>>31597210
No.

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>>31597210

The PTR/G3 is the AK of the west, widely distributed to just about anyone HK could sell it to, accurate, rugged, reliable and hilariously cheap to make. Sure you can use it as a club when you run out of ammo and the ergonomics and not anything to write home about. But it has few parts, is easy to maintain and goes boom every time you pull the trigger

>>31597262
is that why you bought one?

>>31597210
its kind of true. PTRs used to be $1000 and you could only get the F model. When the GI came out for sub-$700 tons of poorfags snatched them up and the meme started.

>>31597262
Far as I can tell it's a 1941 Ishevsk.

So I'd like to eventually get an AR in .308. I wouldn't mind building it, but I also am not opposed to buying it. Is $1,200 a realistic price range for a decent rifle?

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>>31597210

PTR-91: For poorfags who can't spend more than 3 bucks per magazine, if that. Applies especially to buyers of the GI model.
M1A: rifle for Calicucks, fudds, and people who want to live out the THIS IS MY RIFLE THIS IS MY GUN scene from Full Metal Jacket while pacing around in their basement
DSA FAL: Chokes on a little bit of mud, no wonder Rhodesia fizzled out
AR-10 variants: Unstandardized meme rifle who leaves you slaved to the company you bought it from, enjoy your overpriced mags. Only real advantage is being lighter than the previous three. Pussy.
SCAR 17: Everything the AR-10 variants are, except 4x more expensive.

Enjoy your memes.

>>31597426

lol stay away from AR-10's, none of the company's can get their shit together and all want to have proprietary systems. Not to mention at 1200 you are in DPMS territory and all their stuff is either hit or miss

>>31597426
That's pretty low for a decent .308 AR. Save a bit more and set aside 1800 or so.

>>31597440
This is your fast track for shit posting brg, this needs screen shot yo.

>>31597456
KAC/DPMS is good to go.

>>31597440
But what about CETME, SVT-40, Garands, and other semi-automatic rifles that fire a full size rifle round?

>>31597540

KAC is overpriced memeshit that only exists because of military contracts. Without the military ensuring that the SR-25 appears in every Call of Duty/Battlefield, people would discover that it is a rather substandard rifle compared to pretty much all its competition, especially for the price they want for it

DPMS is freedom group shit, stay away

>>31597574

> CETME

Century Arms, stay far away

>SVT-40

Just buy a VEPR and move on with life

>Garands

Known to explode with modern 30.06

>>31597591
I really like the SR-25 but I'm not going to pay that much for that rifle.

>>31597628
I would say you're better off with an OBR then. They're unholy accurate and a good bit cheaper.

>>31597620
I was going to say that they don't have a rifle in 54r but then I checked and they actually do. I am honestly surprised.

Anyway, are you dong shitting on all the random battle raifus?

>>31597735

I'm telling the truth, if you are a collector then sure, buy whatever you want. But for people who actually like to shoot the guns they buy then you might want to know how well they stack up

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>>31596705
That flash hider is sexy.
>>31596647
Wood.
>>31597210
By today's standards, yes.
Expect meh accuracy, light load shotgun-like recoil, heavy trigger and charging handle. I still think this is the most fun gun I've ever shot save for the FAs I've rented.
>>31597440
Would you like some salt with your salt?

>>31597788
So what is your recommendation friend? Far as I can tell you have an issue with every battle rifle. Maybe CoD would be a better hobby for you.

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>>31597916

PTR or DSA

The nice thing about the cold war was the creation of cheap and easy to manufacture battle rifles that are no frills but get the job done. DSA is actually improving their lineup with the Voyager series FAL that is about the same price as a PTR F and have become alone less reliant on parts kits.

The difference in the two come down to preference, the PTR is cheaper but is a heavier rifle with outdated ergonomics, but the rifle is very modular and can be modernize without costing an arm and a leg

DSA on the other hand is a tad more pricey depending on what model you buy, but the ergos are alot better and the rifle itself is lighter but the system isn't very modular and upgrades cost quite a bit

That being said, if you bring up sand tests, if you are in a situation where conditions are complete shit and the extra reliability of the G3 over the FAL is an issue, mud will be the very least of your immediate life problems

>>31598022
>recommends PTR after calling it poorfag gun
>recommends DSA after calling it unreliable
WEW LAD

>>31598071

The DSA Voyager is about the price of the PTR F/SC models, they are both poorfag rifles but that isn't a bad thing

And unless you are going to war in the middle east, the FAL will work for you just fine. People still buy AR-15's despite having weakness to fucking bees

>>31597298
No idea, I mean I knew the PRS stock would add about 3lbs, and the gun itself is about 9lbs unloaded. The GG&G rise is almost a pound, and my Bipod is about another 3 lbs. My Bushnell tactical elite is heavy as hell,but I don't know the exact weight. I guess I'm glad this thing will mainly be a bench gun.

>>31597620
>Known to explode with modern 30.06
this costs all of $50 to fix

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>>31597020
Lemme see your wood bb

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>>31598206

You do know what PTR makes MSG90 clones right?

>>31597620
What about AG-42b Ljungman? Or Hakim for sand niggers

>>31599238
>AG-42b Ljungman

Meme cartridge and everyone will think you are shooting an SVT

>Or Hakim for sand niggers

At this point you're just being obscurist

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>>31598334
>You do know
Really need another word filter to cut down on the smug self-satisfaction around here.

>>31599376

Or you could save yourself the effort of trying to turn an infantry rifle into something that it isn't for the same amount of money and get the same result

just a thought

>>31599238
>>31599352
I've actually seen a few Hakims recently. Are they really that obscure? About 7-800 USD and they look to be in good condition.

>>31599352
6.5 swede is a meme? Lost me there pal

>>31599723

Do you see that many rifles chambered in it? So yes its a meme

>>31599755
Sako 85, Tikkas, Winchester 70, CZ 550 line, Ruger no.1, Browning Xbolt, Coopers, Howas.. It is far from a meme

>>31599809

compared to literally every other mainstream cartridge yes its meme tier

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>>31597574
garands arent battle rifles

>>31598022
>can be modernize without costing an arm and a leg
except it will

>>31598332
here

>>31598334
you know you can buy a better rifle cheaper right?

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>>31601608
You got a bayonet to go on that lug?

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>>31601620
yes

>>31601635
What you picking up next?

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>>31601641
another 1911, few thousand more rounds, and a ton of magazines

its too close to election time all the 308s i want seem to have spiked so im going with what i can find deals on ill buy another when i can cut a deal

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>>31601669
Just got a few thousand rounds in this week. Debating between a dueling penises AR-10 receiver set or a G19.
Maybe some match ammo
http://sgammo.com/product/308-win-762x51-ammo/500-round-case-308-win-175-grain-fmj-prvi-partizan-match-ammo-pp32

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Got this for 1050 OTD because it was the last one they had.

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Rolls Royce coming through!

>>31602775
Didn't over pay by that much

>>31602794
So ugly

>>31602856
Ugly? Depends on your taste.

I love it. Feels like some sort of Orc made rifle.

>>31601669
What kind of 1911? I'm selling an origional 1942 colt

>>31596603
>.458 socom
>battle rifle
>good for anything else except feeling good from the recoil at the range

stay in school kids

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>>31601608
Garand is a battle rifle tho

>>31603008
Well I hear it's also good for hunting engine blocks and your more dangerous muj.

>>31602868
"Orc made rifle" and rolls Royce?
Interesting

To me it looks like something out of a dystopian sci-fi thing like borderlands or someshit. Cool if your into that look I guess.

>>31596634
Hit them low. It causes the bottle to fail lower, and the water launches the top half. Should work most times.

>>31603118
Better options for both exist, especially with that mag capacity

>>31603022
But its not

>>31603141
Collectors call it Rolls Royce of battle rifles because of the building quality.

>>31603156
Like what?

>>31603169
Yes it is
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_rifle

>>31603169
But it is a semi-auto that fires big boolits

>>31597620
should i get a vepr in x54r or x51?

>>31599755
That's not what meme means, dinglenuts

>>31603276
This.

Though people sorta debate if we should only count mag-fed semi-autos, since allowing any full-power semi-auto rifles kinda opens up a can of worms.

>>31603370
How?

>>31603196
Wikipedia isn't a source, and that article doesn't cite anything.

It's not detachable mag, there isn't a select fire version

>>31603418
Battle rifles don't need to be select fire. Or really even mag fed. That's assault rifles.

>>31603399
Just cause there are a lot more of those through history and it's not really what people are meaning. It's mostly just a debate for convenience.

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>>31603399
>>31603370
Basically see battle rifle enthusiasts as a spoiled group of brats that get mad when people get toys similar to theirs.

They keep changing the definition to make them appear part of a niche group.

A battle rifle is any semi automatic or select fire rifle that can shoot full power rifle cartridges.

Now they want to change that into MAG FED rifles, it's just bullshit to be honest.

The only problem is whether you should include rifles like pic related. Which are semi auto rifles that fire full powered rifle cartridges but were never used for military purposes.

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>>31603432
The thing is there is no real coining authority for the term Battle Rifle. It became to be used by gun writers in the 70s to refer to the post WWII .308 class infantry rifles specifically as a reaction to the newer assault rifles that were coming out.

An argument could be made a garand is a battle rifle, an argument could be made it isn't.

Does a .308 DMR count?
Does an CQC barreled one count?
Does something like an FNAR count?

>>31597620
Oh shut the fuck up.

CETME is the same as your G3 just cheaper and doesn't have the name "g3". Prove to me its not you fucking memer. I've had both and I ended up keeping the CETME and selling off the G3.

SVT-40s and garands aren't modern weapons the fuck are you buying them to use them as such? God whatever your smoking you gotta share.

>>31599352
the AG42B shoots 6.5 swede which is a fantastic round if you want to shoot irons out of a wonky as fuck ww2 auto. Its accurate and the whole platform is designed for precision shooting. Who the fuck are you that you say "hurr durr its an SVT!!" when its nothing the same in the slightest?

The hakim is just a rip off of it thats not made to be as accurate. Do you even know anything your talking about? Do you even own any guns?

>>31597735
if you are suprised that vepr makes a rifle in x54 then you are retaredderav

>>31601620
You stay the fuck away from Giuliani, you fucking communist.

>>31603501
>Does a .308 DMR count?
Yes
>Does an CQC barreled one count?
Yes
>Does something like an FNAR count?
Yes

Right now, you guys are like anti-gunners trying to change the definition of mass shootings to fit their beliefs.

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>>31603491
Little bit mad over something anon?

>>31603541
except those terms are defined by fbi and congress, whereas battlerifle is defined by a bunch of fudds from 40 years ago

what the fuck is wrong with you autists. you think this shit is some sort of holy gospel, rather than some bullshit some fucker thought was useful at the time. is your life so empty you need to believe in gun terminology to give you meaning and identity?

>>31603450
I admit I don't have an encyclopedic knowledge of all firearms ever, but to the best of my knowledge the Garand is the only semi-auto firing a full power rifle cartridge that isn't magazine fed (though IIRC there were variants that did).

>>31603418
Generally speaking most definitions of "battle rifle" only have one thing in common. It fires a full power rifle cartridge. One of the first definitions, about from about 1982, was that a battle rifle
>is a full-powered, full-sized rifle, fires from a locked breech, may or may not utilize a detachable box magazine, and may or may not be capable of fully automatic fire.

There were also similar references going back though not quit as specific a definition.

>>31603531
Only russian stuff I deal with is surplus. I didn't think they would bother with a modern 54R semi-auto.

>>31603491
Well I'd agree as I just go with the "semi-automatic firing a fullsize rifle cartridge".

>>31603527
>it's old therefore useless!

>>31603562
That's how most definitions come to be anon. A bunch of people agree on the definition and now that's what it is.

Best non-assault weapon battle rifles?

Obviously the M1A is up here, but I need other easy-buy options here in Jew York.

>>31603541
>Change the definition
It never had a proper one to begin with. It wasnt used for the garand until recently by people who think it means a semi auto rifle in a full power cartridge like a moron.

>>31603578
If thats what you think I said then heres your (you)

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>>31603578
So there isn't a source cited? Okay just checking to make sure just trying to sound like an authority when you dont understand what your talking about.

>>31603620
Here, let me google for you
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_rifle
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/09/24/firearms-semantics-battle-rifle-assault-rifle/
http://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/what-is-a-battle-rifle/

Now since I know you won't bother to read them, the short version is that the definition of a battle rifle is completely fabricated. As in, we made it up. Now as you've seen in just this thread a bunch of fucks are arguing about what exactly is a battle rifle. Since the definition is a battle rifle basically varies according to person, and is questionable in the first place, I have as much right to state a Garand (for example) is a battle rifle as any other anon has to state it is not.

>>31603604
>SVT-40s and garands aren't modern weapons the fuck are you buying them to use them as such? God whatever your smoking you gotta share.
Implication being that they are useless because they are old. Please explain why anons can't use what they like.

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>>31603501

Even though "assault rifle" and "battle rifle" are terms coined after the production of the weapons they classify, I think that there are basic requirements for each term.

Assault rifles are chambered in an intermediate cartridge (such as 5.56x45, 5.45x39, 7.62x39, w/ optimum performance within 300m) and fire from a closed bolt. Additionally, they must be select-fire with semi-automatic and either burst or full-automatic settings. It's pretty much a given that they also feed from a detachable magazine. Bear in mind that these weapons naturally favor volume of fire over precision shooting.

Battle rifles, on the other hand, are chambered in full-size cartridges (such as .7.62x51, 7.62x54R, .30-06, 7.92x57, etc.) and were produced at a time when long-range marksmanship (500+m) was more valued. They fire from a closed bolt. As opposed to the bolt-action service rifles that they replaced, they are semi-automatic or perhaps even select-fire. However, I don't think this distinction is necessary because a) the doctrine for which they were developed was more precision-oriented and b) nobody uses full-size cartridges on full-auto unless they're using a GPMG. Because pretty much every weapon that we consider a battle rifle uses detachable mags, we may have to classify the M1 Garand as a proto-battle rifle.

To answer your questions directly, using the definitions above:

1) Yes. The Designated Marksman's Rifle is a classification based on the role of the soldier using it, not a function of the rifle's features. Because pretty much any weapon can be used as a DMR, a DMR in .308 like the SR-25 or M14 is simply a battle rifle being used by a Designated Marksman.

2) Yes. Though a shortened barrel does limit the utility of a battle rifle moreso than an assault rifle, the change is not dramatic enough to warrant reclassification.

3) Yes. The FNAR, RFB, etc have all the features described above in spite of lacking military origins.

TL;DR Yes, yes, and yes.

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>>31603649
Nice rifle, nice literature.

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>>31596603
H.C.A.R. REPORTING IN!

>>31603649
Love it

>>31603678
Fun fact: all definitions are made up!

>>31603678
>>31603705
I can't wait for this anon to get butt hurt and leave. Holy fuck.

>>31604138
any more pictures of your sister?

>>31604343
Not likely. Also you quoted two different people.

>>31604407
>Different
Not really

>>31596603
>.458 socom
>battle rifle round.

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>>31604354
Not really her boyfriend and her haven't had a chance to do anything like that again since classes started back up.

>>31604138
Ew

>>31604731
>trr8

hnng

the whole FAL vs G3 thing is so boring.

>>31604354
>>31604731
go onnn... what pictures were there?

>>31605367
>please, kill me

>>31605378
Both are kind of boring

>>31605396
she was naked sucking her brothers cock while finger banging his AR, you happy?

>>31605475
not until i see the picture.

>>31604040
Good set up

>>31605522
No tourniquet, not a good setup.

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>>31605475
Lordy!
>>31605396
INCOMING!

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>>31605396

>>31605619
>>31605628
how often do you fap to your sister

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>>31605628

>>31605645
Kek never change /K/.

>>31605671
So... everyday then?

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>>31605686
To be totally honest with you I've never even seen her naked since she started developing into a woman. So not at all. Sorry to disappoint.

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What are some good resources for building an AR-10? Ive done some googling and much of what i find is out of stock. Discovered Aero Precision and their stuff looks good on paper, anyone have experience with their product? Still a little confused on matching uppers and lowers, as long as they are both DPMS pattern they should fit up perfect, correct?

>>31605857
>as they are both DPMS pattern they should fit up perfect, correct?
pretty much

also aero is g2g, not the best but still p good, and they were selling the M5E1 uppers for $500 the other day

also check out APF complete uppers on AIM, again not amazing but plenty good enough for a sub $1k battle rifle

Anyone have a dpms g2?

>>31604731
post hcar barrel in butthole pls

>>31605671
Lemme diddle yer sis with my scar

>>31606166
>scar
is that what you call the little raised bump where your penis should be?

>>31602856
>ugly

kys

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>>31596705
And finished.
>>31597865
It's the G28 HKParts had a run of about a year ago.

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>>31606220
Before.

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>>31606173
Ye

>>31605944
>>>
More about AR-10 lowers, are they like the AR-15 where you're pretty much paying for a roll mark? Seems like they are somewhat hard to find in stock so i may buy off an online auction site or something.

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>>31606267

Ye

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>>31596603

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>>31606491
Boot stock is best stock

>>31606515
>Arc'word shirt
>High end mount
No optic....

>>31606484
Do yourself a huge favor and buy the receivers as a set.

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>>31606534
No optic yet..
its hard to decide, budget keeps building until i do.

swarovski z6i 1-6
Vortex Razor HD gen2 1-6
Vortex pst 1-4 or 2.5-10

>>31606607
You know which one of those is the best. I'd look at kahles though for a similar model. Razor is too heavy, viper too cheap.

>>31606666
The Swarovski doesn't have a mil-dot reticle, reeeee.

>>31606553
why

FAL: bipod or no bipod? I got a NOS one and haven't installed it yet

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>>31606679
>>31606666


found a Swarovski with a 4-I reticle for 1000$ used but great condition. that i am planning on picking up just need to get a bit more but it will probably be gone by then.

>we Fudd

>>31606696
some of them have gaps between lower and upper receiver if they're made by different people
since the 308 has no true blueprint that every manufacturer uses they are all pretty close but not 100%

ex. I think the alexandria pro fab lower has a gap when paired with an aero upper, or the other way around.

>>31606696
Tolerance stacking adds up, even when mating upper and lowers from same mfg. Sets are matched to have that taken out. .308 ARs are not quite as plug and play. You can use otherwise good components and get some slop that can cause accuracy issues that wont seem to be able to get fixed.

Its a fairlly simple affair to get them as sets, and prevents those odd issues. Its generally less of an issue when using KAC pattern receivers, but those are the higher end of the segment. If your looking to get them separately im assuming your looking for a performance:price ratio.

These days your lucky to get what you can find though. Sets that are in stock are the higher end models are generally around $500 for the set and up. Not getting them as a set is not a guarantee of accuracy issues, but its more of a possibility.

So I'm gonna pick up a battle rifle
should I sell my ar and pick up a scar or should I just get a PTR/century cetme?

>>31607212
Get a PTR. That way you have an AR in w/e caliber and a .308 fun. More guns = more fun.

>>31607242
how are the century 308s? I'd be trading a c39v2 for it (it comes with 20 mags)

>>31607212
If your in the SCAR end of the market, your not in the PTR end of the market

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>>31607297
Stay away from C308/ Century built CETME.

>>31607297
Not sure, only that all I've ever heard was that century is a shit.

>>31607315
But he'd have to sell his AR to get a SCAR. Much better to keep the AR and buy a PTR. Plus he should have plenty of money left to modify it.

>>31607330
Thats an odd setup.

>>31607350
Zeiss 51 on a B&T Medium mount, I've since switched to a Low rail like >>31606220

>>31607341
Hed be better off getting a .308 AR, already familiar with the system. Could build it to suit, not buy and modify.

>>31607365
Why the super long forend rail without a grip/bipod?

>>31596603

whats the difference between a battle rifle and an assault rifle?

>>31607315
yeah, I am
>>31607330
noted
>>31607366
don't really want another AR unless it is a sr-25

>>31607379
I'm going to be adding a VLTOR flashlight mount + light in a little bit. I've got a bipod as well.

I'm looking to get a non Voyager DSA FAL, but I'm torn on which barrel length to go for.

Halp.

>>31607366
Except AR-10's aren't standardized so you may very well have an issue with building it just the way you want. Noted here >>31607120

>>31607392
Mostly caliber. Was discussed to death earlier. Please just read that rather than bringing this shit back up.

>>31607470

Not everybody sits on /k/ all day faggot. Yes I'm a nogunz but looking to correct that. I've decided on my handgun and am now trying to decide on a rifle.

>>31607417
Light on the bottom? I guess

>>31607419

What do you want to do with it. For most purposed 16 inches in completely adequate

>>31607419
Para = 18"
Standard = 21"

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>>31607470
Having to do a little research is not a reason for someone to not go with a rifle. If it is, maybe you shouldnt own firearms.

>>31603534
Giuliani is a senile hack, and you wouldn't know what a communist was even if one took a shit on your front porch.

>>31607521

It'll just be a fun something to add to the collection. I'm trying to get as many quality funs as I can before the election. I'm not a stranger to long barrels, my favorite AR is a 20in A2, and I have an AR-10 A2 from Armalite on the way right now.

Maybe I should go with the 16in because I'll already have a 20in .308, but I wanna know from guys with more battle rifle experience than I have if a 16in is too obnoxious.

>>31607519
Yeah with an offset mount.

>>31607586

I have a 16inch PTR and really it performs about the same accuracy wise as my 18 inch M1A. But then again I'm not a wannabe sniper who thinks he needs to shoot 800 meters out so a 500-600 meter rifle works fine

>>31607610
Under the boreline is unusual because if shooting over a barrier or something similar, the light can easily become blocked, at the least its going to be taking more impacts.

>>31607653
I double checked this with a friend's mount tested on mine, and the light will have the same bottom edge height as the handguard, and I wouldn't be shooting with the barrel resting directly on anything.

>>31607616

Would firing a 16in kill your ears or no? I live in a fairly urban place. Not a big city, but pretty suburban. I don't need to shoot out to 800 meters or whatever. I just wanna know if the 16in will make me hate my ears.

>>31607712
Not really versus an 18", but adding a muzzle brake will.

>>31607516
Didn't say you had to be here for that shit show faggot. I said read the thread you fucking mong. Basic common sense especially if you're going to ask a question.

>>31607555
Well if you had read the post I linked, then you'd see that some issues may be unavoidable. Besides, having two funz is still better than just one.

>>31607726

The M1A scout muzzle brake will make the people standing next to you hate their ears

>>31607730
It's not unavoidable, dis you read it?

>>31603326
so which one guys? it'd be for shtf/skinwalker hunting

>>31607821

Whichever is easier to get ammo and mags for, I dunno.

>>31607821
as gay as you are, for your purpose the 51
I would buy a 54 tho

Is the C308 a good rifle?

>>31608052

no

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>>31608052
Better than a DSA.

>>31608084

Welcome to the trade off. Weight and ergonomics for reliability

And I'm a PTR owner

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>>31608084
>when the mud test just right

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quote form those who shot my scar 17 today
>its the best rifle ive ever fired i thought it was going to weigh 15 pounds before i picked it up

heres the daily supply of (you)s

>>31602902
i have na older one i want one to throw anime grips on

>>31603022
but it aint

>>31603326
real nato not slav nato

>>31603370
>>31603418
>>31603432
>>31603491
>>31603501
nice memes garand dont count

>>31603527
get out of this thread you only own poodle shooters post pics or or socks or ass out the door

>>31603649
>>31604138
nice aesthetics

>>31605628
>>31605652
i like the rifle the most unless she has a penis

>>31606220
nice fake wear lol

>>31606515
that poor thing

>>31607212
no both are shit i own one and have used both move up not down

think of it as century and century 2

>>31607419
21full 18 para so this>>31607528

>>31608052
no

>>31608190
I think I'm gonna pick up a SCAR and just sell my KAC
I think I'd rather have an AK anyways, they are more fun and just about as functional

>>31608190
>i thought it was going to weigh 15 pounds before i picked it up
Are quotes from retards supposed to mean something?

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>>31608190
>>its the best rifle ive ever fired i thought it was going to weigh 15 pounds before i picked it up
>t. a man who only fired a hi-point carbine before

Nice try, Squid

>>31602868

looks beautiful and not orc-made... drow-made.

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>>31608273
people listen to ian here so yes

>>31608190
Thats a lot of yous.

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>>31608299
>talking shit about Ian
Stop running your coc sucker about shit you have no idea about. If you actually watched his vidyas you would would realize he claims that
>the mud tests are for fun not scientific
>he says the FAL is a better design just not as good at working while covered in mud

You probably just saw the gifs and can't handle the fact that the G3 had a slight advantage under really specific circumstances. Nice memes tho

>>31608790
You missed the video where they said they liked the G3 better now.

>>31608835
They said there are aspects of the G3 that are better but Ian over all prefers the FAL. He also phrases it as "my personal preference is x" rather than point blank saying one is better.

>>31608874
https://www.full30.com/video/fe84dfee1d6f8925da1d67164958311d

At about 8:20. They talk about the pros and cons of both but pretty definitive decide the G3 is better over all.

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what do i need to do this

>>31608903
Money.

>>31608190

I've heard you're a huge faggot and people avoid these threads because you are so colossally rancid. True?

>>31608975
Just ignore him, he's a sociopath that haunts these threads. No reasoning or arguing with him, just don't.

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>>31608975
when poorfags think their shit is the golden egg i tell them they are wrong and they get mad and memed on

such as >>31609152 who doesnt even post his rifle

>>31609152

Ok. I just filtered him.

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>>31609181

ok buddy

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>>31609209
same

>>31609218
rifle not poodle shooter

>>31609181
Goddamn I want to fist fight you for some reason. I'm not mad and I don't hate you but I met you IRL once and Ever since I just wanted to see who would win. You like kinda scrappy desu

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Been a while since I've posted here.
>>31603022
>>31603169
>>31603491
It is, wiki has it right on the nose, the garand is one of the few exceptions to the "removable magazine" and "military service rifle" and "full cartridge" rule. Normally, they either tick all boxes or they're not a battle rifle. Select fire helps, but it's not necessary.
>>31603491
PSL is not a battle rifle even though it actually does tick those 3 boxes because it's role was not as a basic fighting rifle or meant to be one.
>>31603276
>>31603491
>A battle rifle is any semi automatic or select fire rifle that can shoot full power rifle cartridges.
That would make a lot of fuddy duddy deer and sporter rifles battle rifles based on that alone. There's just no way anybody could be dumb enough to genuinely think they belong in the battle rifle group, except out of spite to piss people off in this thread. No military service(or designed more/less around it) is auto disqualification for the most part.

>>31608299
LITTLE BITCH BOY STILL HURT ON THE INSIDE BECAUSE IAN MADE BTFO HIS MEME GUNS

>>31606666
QUADS OF THE UNHOLY ONE

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Hey; who's hungry?

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>>31609277
whats guns did you have also we can lsoer has to wear a dress and get fucked in the ass

the rest is negotiable

>>31609454
garand is the cuck version of an m14 so even less of a rifle

>>31609483
poors gonna fag

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>>31609520
im thirsty

>>31609521
>garand is the cuck version of an m14 so even less of a rifle
I don't even really like garands, but they are what they are.
I can't figure out why it took so long to implement a removable magazine into them. Seems obvious that that system of spare mags is miles better than goofy clips.

>>31609521
>Anyone who calls me out for being a hyper faggot is poor

post your bank account balance.

>>31609557

Because the Garand was a reflection of its time. Stripper clips were the norm and magazines were meme tier at that stage

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>>31609557
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgOK7ZnPab0

>>31609569
17 scars 17s

>>31609615
>Because the Garand was a reflection of its time.
Yeah, I suppose. Kindof how the thompson reflects it's time when that smg concept was new.
After holding a repro, I'm 90% sure I'll never hold a worse gun in my life. Everything about it just sucked, heavy, opposite of ergonomic, awful controls etc etc.
It's not a fair comparison with a garand, which is far better, but you get the point.

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>>31609706
I agree, but it was still fun to shoot.

>>31609514
>hes right too, Kahles and Swarovski are the best in the 1-6x class scopes.

>>31609521
>garand is the cuck version
>the same rifle that won WWII
The M14 got BTFO in 'Nam thats why it got phased out quickly. M14 is a shit version of its predecessor

>>31610045
Rifles dont win wars.
Hell, rifleman arent even very good at racking up body counts in wars.

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>>31610045
usa lost vietnam due to the poodle shooter lol

>>31610059
Not in 21st century war maybe, but in dubya dubya too, they played a nice role outclassing the bolt actions of the day

>>31610045
The M14 was bad in Vietnam because it weighed a fuck ton (not very nice for navigating dense jungle) and wood is absolute garbage in a wet environment like that.

>>31610123
But even then, artillery and belt fed weapons and air support were what did the killing. Rifleman just try to pin the bastards down.

Guys, I'm looking for input on a rifle that popped up on armslist.

It's a WWII German Gewehr G43. Comes with ZF4 scope and a mount that is late war production, but serials don't match rifle. Bolt and receiver have matching serials, and the guy says the stock serial is not visible. Stock has been sanded and refinished.He indicated that the blued portions have minor wear, and the rifling is good.

What would be a reasonable price range for the rifle I described? I figure this is technically one of the first iterations of "battle rifles" like the SVT-40.

>>31610949
It should be phosphated, not blued. Sounds pimp-shined; not worth more than $1200 as a shooter.

>>31611031
"Nice original blue metal finish. Rifle has original gray phosphate and blue metal finishes showing light normal wear. "

$1200 happens to be the asking price, thanks for the input.

>>31596723
>>31596951

Fuck, well it looks like my sig 716 has some major teething problems. I upgraded the original adjustable stock with the PRS, and I think that has something to do with the issues I had today, it was ejecting just fine, right around 3-4oclock area, but it was short stroking and failing to feed almost every other shot, even on the high-gas setting. I'm going to have to tinker with this more in order to figure things out.

>>31611063
Stock buffer tube the same length as on the PRS?
Might need a different length buffer, same weight.

>>31611062

the guy who posted this >>31611031 is the same guy selling the gun on armslist

>>31609521
>lsoer has to wear a dress and get fucked in the ass

Youd just lose on purpose.

>>31603491
>Buttmad fudd detected.
No your Remington is not a battle rifle

>>31611140
Carbine buffer is shorter, but i'm not sure how much. this seems to be a common problem with the 716, apparently since it originally came with a carbine style adjustable stock, the standard 308 buffer and rifle tube that are needed for the prs are the wrong weight. I'll have to see about getting some buffer tube spacers and figuring things out.

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>>31611961
do you want me to win?

>>31611063
>'legos'

>>31596603
Poorfag here

Is a PTR gonna be the most affordable battle rifle, all things considered?

>>31613356

Yes but you will get more out of it that its more expensive competitors

>>31613392
Its good for what it is, no need to lie about it lol

>>31613392
>>31613400
Thanks famalams.

>>31613410
Think of the G3 vs FAL debate as AK vs AR. They will both fill the same role but the G3 is a more robust and reliable design (ak) while the FAL is a little more ergonomic but is prone to failure in adverse or dirty conditions (ar).

>>31613400

Its cheap because it was designed to be mass produced with very few parts required. Even though PTR is by themselves in the G3 market, no other battle rifle producer in the U.S can crank out rifles at the same rate

>>31603370
I was under the impression that the term "Battle Rifle" originally referred to service rifles that used a regular rifle cartridge. Which technically would include earlier bolt-action rifles.

>>31613702

Magazine fed semi-auto and select fire (although the last one has been phased out)

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>>31613702
I've found the phrase "battle rifle" used in older literature interchangeably with "infantry rifle". For the purposes of this thread, it refers to civilian-market clones of full-power autoloading rifles in current or former military use.

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>>31613356
If you get lucky, you can sometimes build an AR10 cheaper. Now is generally not one of those times.

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>>31596603

made a new thread didnt see this one

here is my "dominion arms socom 18"
a tuned up norinco m305 shorty

I wanna replace the optic and the stock, probably with a better quality variable 1-6 and an archangel respectively

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>>31613940

Stay away from Archangel, its heavy as fuck and you won't get anything for it

Get the VLTOR instead, you can thank me later

>>31613957

looks decent, but has no mount underneath for a bipod/foregrip. also for that cost I could look at other options such as the m14.ca blackfeather

>>31613957

how do you find the cheek weld for irons/optic?

>>31614086

Its an adjustable stock

>>31614020

You can put a bipod on it just fine

>>31596647
Wood 100%

>>31614090

is it an easy drop fit? Im reading about people having to use a popsicle stick or something to prevent the return spring from popping out

>>31613940
fuck off with the archangel garbage.

>>31614140

It drops right in

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>>31603705

>>31612124
You should be able to weigh the buffer, and find a rifle length buffer of the same weight. Or one of those kits where you can add or take away weight.

I wanna get a x3 or x4 scope for my pre
Budget like $400
What get

>>31615460
PTR*

>>31615460
Not much you can get at that price point.
Try Primary Arms, probably your best bet

>>31615487

I have a leupold mark ar 1.5-4 that you can pick up for 250 bucks or so that I had on both the PTR and M1A and it has held up so far

>>31615495
What about vortex spitfire? That's not that much more over budget,
but the one I'm looking at appears to be for 5.56

>>31615460
vortex 1-6x strike eagle, or primary arms.

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I got to finger fuck a HK 770 for the first time today. The price tag is $3000, but it's in very good condition. Aside from the price tag the rifle is pretty light and I love how smooth the action is. The only problem I have with the rifle is where the mag release is. Overall, it's fucking sweet. My question to all of you is if HK started to reproduce the 770 would you buy one?

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>is this a battle rifle?

>>31616881
Thats a pumpkin

>>31596603
why do battle rifles have 20 round mags

>>31617022
because big bullets take up a lot of space

>>31617022
Because its better than 8

>>31616881
No, its a bolt action unlike a garand :^)

>>31606220
>>31606244
Damn good looking rifle, anon.

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>>31597440
>EVERYTHING IS A MAYMAY

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>>31617643
>take a gif
>leave a gif

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>>31616881
Why's your nugget so short senpai?

>>31618699
Its like his pp

>>31609521
>implying m14>m1
well memed friend!

>>31616881
Please let me have experimental gay sex with you at nugget fest. I'm not a fag I just want to try fucking a dude.

>>31619011
I don't know about him but DFDOG is willing to spoon you in a romantic manner by the fire if you get cold.

>>31596603
Nice penatrators my son!
Shooting through some body armor?

Are only the Century built cetmes bad because I plan on building a parts kit cetme next month

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>>31619060
Is he cute tho? I don't care if he isn't a twink fairy boy but i don't want my first time with a man to be a 300 pound neck beard either...

>>31619270
Who? DFDOG? No clue what he looks like. sa/k/uya I've only seen pictures of and I only know there were him because of the dress.

>>31615247
That appears to be the case. The carbine buffer is about 4.5oz and is stamped H2, whereas the generic 308 AR rifle buffer is about 5.5oz and isn't stamped. The spring also appears to be more sturdy but I can't tell.

>>31613243
Heh I wish. This is my first 308 AR and the frustrations I've been dealing with trying to get these parts to work is nothing short of infuriating. I've been spoiled by tinking with my regular AR15s with all of their fancy shmancy standardized parts.

holy fuck whose bright idea at FN was to have the bipod installation not be separate from the spring and rod system on the bipod. every time you want to remove/add the bipod you have to deal with the spring and rod.

>>31620153
Why would you be doing it that often?

>>31619326
Contact the mfg, and ask them what buffer to use with a rifle stock

>>31620193
doesn't matter. it shouldn't require having to lean on it in order to install in the first place. i imagine people will want to avoid attaching/detaching the bipod solely because of the method of installation.

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>>31596603

>>31620225
It was not designed to be done often. Military organizations tend to have uniform standards.

For a civvie it can be frustrating, sure. The FAL was not designed with that market in mind.

>>31620536
i got it on
there was much leaning involved to put weight on the spring
the fun part is that the rod is stuck on something in the leg so the spring is stuck compressed. rod won't pop out to press on the bipod bracket the whole point of putting the spring in so it wasn't flopping about is now moot

thanks, fal bipod

>>31597181
Nice gun mire pics please ?

>>31613243
>do you want me to win?

No. I want you to die.

>>31609521
Are you from tn friend?

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>>31621461
Sure. Gonna take it to the range Friday most likely. Would have taken it to day but had game night. That said, we took so damn long because someone was late, that I probably could have made it to the range for at least an hour of shooting.

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>>31617396
so they both arent

>>31618699
its not feminine

>>31618988
memed on

>>31619011
are you cute?

>>31621522
same

>>31621596
no pa


tfw cleaned all my raifus except my fal and just oiled her today

>>31620536
Thanks doormat consumerist anon
Always eager to settle for mediocrity

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>>31613957
>>31614400
How are JAE stocks? They've got a similar aesthetic to the Archangel that anon was thinking of, and I've always thought they looked sexy as fuck, but I don't really know if they're any good or not.

>>31622576
I didn't settle for an FAL
I went for the best rifle

>>31622020
I mean I get mistaken as a grill from behind a lot. But attractiveness is completely subjective desu. M-maybe we could field strip each other's raifus and what ever happens happens.

>>31624890
Gey

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>>31624890
It's not completely subjective

>>31605367
Jesus...

>>31624890
>get mistaken as a grill from behind a lot

iktf, and im not even trying

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>>31625146
Non free states suck.
At least some decent options exsist

>>31625278
Try not being short and slender

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>>31626740
Le wood screws and sub $300 optic
Stay classy!

>>31596603

what's a good battle rifle for someone relatively new to the scene? I grew up around guns, and never really liked the AR, but I'm interested in buying a battle rifle or similar.

>>31627628
What's your budget?

>>31627706

up to $2000 by May. $1200 today.

>>31627728
Well you could wait till May for something like a SCAR, or you could get basically any other right now. Cheapest might still be FAL parts kits but you have to assemble that (it isn't terribly hard as I hear it, just time consuming). Otherwise a PTR is cheap so you'd have money left over for ammo or "SICK MODS BRO!!!!".

How easy it to make inert 22mm rifle grenades? Will PVC shatter in my face if I put it over the barrel of my PTR

>>31627826

what's the advantage of saving for a SCAR? I heard they were just expensive ARs, which I've had jamming problems with in the past. (Though to be fair, that AR was not the best maintained)

>>31627904
Uh...you get to call other people poorfags?

Joking aside, while I don't own one myself all I've heard from other anons is that it's great, just expensive. Very reliable, etc. There are a couple anons who have one and you could always google up some reviews yourself.

>>31627948

will do. thanks for the newbie advice.

>>31627904
>Just expensive ARs
They are considerably different than ARs, and your not likely to have reliability issues, ever.

>>31627999

Good to know. Glad I got tired of lurking - I needed to see behind the memes.

>>31628064
Then your going to have to leave 4chan to find out the good information.

New thread

>>31628617

>>31626648
>short
i literally cant do anything about that except get over it
>slender
i like being thin

>>31626740
jeez, now i dont know if i want mine in green or brown

>>31627904
>lightweight
>light felt recoil
>durable
>reliable
>very accurate