/lang/ - Language Learning

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>Language learning resources:
http://4chanint.wikia.com/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_Wiki

http://www.duolingo.com/
>Duolingo is a free language-learning platform that includes a language-learning website and app, as well as a digital language proficiency assessment exam. Duolingo offers all its language courses free of charge.

>>>/t/746368
>Torrents with more resources than you'll ever need for 30+ languages.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B9QDHej9UGAdcDhWVEllMzJBSEk#
>Google Drive folder with books for all kinds of languages.

https://fsi-languages.yojik.eu/languages/oldfsi/index.html
>Drill based courses with text and audio.The Foreign Service Institute (FSI) is the United States federal government's primary training institution for employees of the U.S. foreign affairs community.These courses are all in public domain and free to download.Site may go down sometimes but you can search for fsi on google and easily find a mirror.

https://www.memrise.com/
>Free resource to learn vocabulary, nice flash cards.

https://lingvist.com/
>It's kinda like Clozemaster in the sense that you get a sentence and have to fill in the missing word, also has nice statistics about your progress, grammar tips and more information about a word (noun gender, verb aspects for Russian, etc.)

ankisrs.net/
>A flash card program

https://www.clozemaster.com/languages
>Clozemaster is language learning gamification through mass exposure to vocabulary in context.Can be a great supplementary tool, not recommended for absolute beginners.

https://tatoeba.org/eng/
>Tatoeba is a collection of sentences and translations with over 300 hundred languages to chose from.

radio.garden/
>Listen to radio all around the world through an interactive globe

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http://www.effectivelanguagelearning.com/language-guide/language-difficulty
>Check out information about languages and their difficulties

http://lexicity.com/
>An invaluable resource for comparative language study as well as those interested in ancient languages

http://cosmogyros.tumblr.com/post/108962232110/huge-new-language-learning-collection
>A very extensive language learning collection for 90+ languages.

http://www.dliflc.edu/resources/products/
>Similar to FSI, drill-based courses with text and audio issued by the US government.These courses were made for millitary personel in mind unlike FSI.

http://en.childrenslibrary.org
>Lots of childrens books in various languages, categories 3-5yo, 6-9yo, 10-13yo.

https://www.hellotalk.com/#en
>The app is basically whatsapp, but only connects you with people who are native in the language you are trying to learn. It also has a facebook type section where you can share pics and stuff too.

https://www.italki.com/
https://www.mylanguageexchange.com/
https://www.interpals.net/
http://www.gospeaky.net/
https://www.speaky.com/
https://polyglotclub.com/
http://lang-8.com/
>Few more language exchange communities like Hellotalk:

http://www.goethe-verlag.com/
>A mostly free site which offers audio and drill like exercises for 40+ languages.

http://www.languagetransfer.org/
>A free resource with recordings to learn a language.

https://babadum.com
>Flash card game with a focus on vocabulary.

http://context.reverso.net/translation/
>A website like Tatoeba (also has a Firefox extension!)

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Language of the day is Faroese, let's appreciate it!

>LINK THAT SHOULD'VE BEEN ADDED TO THE OP POSTS
https://forvo.com
Has pronunciation for trillions of words in billions of languages

>>77751105
ah I forgot someone asked for that, my mistake

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>>77750913
>Faroese
doesn't seem like the easiest of languages

>ین چهارشنمبه من به خانۀ فامیلام خواهم رفت
> یه هفتۀ اینده نه خانۀ من خواهم رفت
This took me forever to write, mostly because I'm unfamiliar with the keyboard. Anyone here that knows or is learning persian and can see any errors?

Back to the books. Don't feel like studying but gotta push through it.

Já sei que "sei lá" significa "não sei", pero em que tipo de situações se usa?

Também tenho outra pergunta. Quando as partículas reflexivas vão depois ou antes do verbo? Por exemplo: "usa-se" e "se usa".

(qualquer tipo de correções são bem-vindas)

>>77753014
>correção
mas em que tipo de situações se usa?

que erro!

>>77750913
that's a very cute pic much of the yes

>>77753014
The difference on those particles relies -mostly- whether if you are speaking brazilian portuguese or european portuguese :) brazilians place it before the verb

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>one of the ways to say "hello" in Mari is literally "salam" (caлaм)
CHUVASH'D

>>77753953
What was your motivation to learn such language?
I mean, are you ever going to use it?

>>77753953
More like ISLAM'D

>>77754423
both Chuvash and Mari are non-muslim though

>>77754339
>What was your motivation to learn such language?
See >>77694266

>I mean, are you ever going to use it?
who knows

>>77754542
Nice. I've been reading about it in wikipedia and looks very interesting. I'm also somewhat "attracted" to uralic-languages for a reason, especially finish. Last time I went to the library found a book about it and couldn't resist the temptation to give it a look.

>>77754542
I guess SEMITIC'D then, s*l*m is a common root to say hi in those areas(Shalom Hebrew,Aramic; Salamu alaykum Arabic; Silim Sumerian, Akkadian...), for the Turkic it would be "esen" but that has lost it's use mostly.

>>77755092
Funny how that one particular loanword is so common, even all the way in Central Asia/Siberia some people picked it up

>tfw /lang/ keeps almost dying

>>77758615
Board is rather fast this summer, it is expected I'd say.

>>77758615
We just haven't found much to talk about on /lang/.

Hey French-Canadian guy, by any chance, have you ever gone by the handle "vizinoi" on IRC channels?

>>77758783
>Hey French-Canadian guy, by any chance, have you ever gone by the handle "vizinoi" on IRC channels?
nope

Tell me, what are you guys learning at the moment? Also, what do you already speak?
We need some activity here.

>>77760861
Learning German, only know English and a very basic amount of Spanish.
I'll probably learn Irish at some point because I am fucking Irish and it's embarrassing that I barely know a word in my country's tongue. I'll forever regret not taking it in school.

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>>77760861
>post was only 3 minutes ago
>thread already on page 3
lel, I think it's like the Turk said, /int/ is way too active at the moment for us to keep up

Anyway,
>French C2
>English C2
>Spanish B2 (though for oral comprehension I'd say I'm only B1)
>German A2
>Mari just started

>>77760861
>>77761119
Ofcourse all " levels" are self-judged "
>Dutch native
>English C1-C2 (highschool+lifelong absorbing)
>German A2-B1(highschool)
>French A1-A2 (highschool)
>Latin A1-A2 (highschool)
>Persian A1-A2 (selfstudy started a few months back)

>>77760861
At the moment I only speak English. I'm currently learning Turkish though and understand very simple Russian and Spanish. I kind of bounced around languages in college before I decided to double down on Turkish. After I'm comfortable in Turkish I'll go back and finish Russian and Spanish

>>77761036
>I'll probably learn Irish at some point because I am fucking Irish and it's embarrassing that I barely know a word in my country's tongue.
how do you feel about the state of the language, both in the Republic and in NI?

I know that on paper Ireland invests a lot into making the language as vital as possible, but how does that translate IRL?

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>>77760861
I'm currently learning Japanese and German. I know Finnish, Swedish, Somali (somewhat), and of course English.
I know a few other languages as well but imo not well enough to be worth including. I think I might learn Mandarin next or Mari like the Canadian anon.

I really wanna learn arabic. Im gonna look into it in the next month or so.

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>>77761634
>or Mari like the Canadian anon.
пopo йыгыт

>>77761471
In NI it's just awful. Irish is only given as an option in secondary school (you can choose not to take it), nothing in primary school. Sinn Fein have been trying to promote an Irish Language Act, which would politically put the language on par with English much as it is in the South, but it's causing a political deadlock in our government since the DUP utterly refuse to give an inch.

I can't speak much for the South, since I'm not down there all that often, but they seem to be promoting the language very well. There are a lot of resources for people wanting to learn Irish here. You'll often hear about kids here going to a 'Gaeltacht' which are basically language camps where only the speaking of Irish is prohibited. They seem to enjoy it quite a bit, from my experience of speaking with those who did choose to learn it in school.

While I very much doubt it'll ever be more than a cultural thing for people on this island since English is just far more universal, I'd still like to see it become more relevant.

>>77760861
What are you learning?

I'm learning Swedish atm also going through earlier lessons of Pimsleur on which language I should go with next or concurrently.French, Russian, Farsi or Arabic, I'll probably settle on Arabic.

>>77761900
>since the DUP utterly refuse to give an inch.
why exactly?

I mean, even in Britain, Welsh seems to enjoy more protection than Irish in NI, and yet it's not like it causes any problems for non-Welsh-speakers in Wales (because, as you said, English is simply too deeply engrained there to ever be removed in any way, for the foreseeable future at least).

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>>77762361
I understand that in Canada you also have protestants celebrating the twelfth, probably a relatively minor event, but here it's a whole other kettle of fish.
Have a look at this. This is a bonfire, not an uncommon site on the 11th of July. Notice anything strange about it?
Unionism is closer to a counter culture than an actual culture. They have little in common with Scotland or England nowadays, and the people in those countries prefer to ignore rather than engage with them, so instead of celebrating similarities, they celebrate their victories over their bogeymen, which in this case are the Catholic Irish.
The DUP would lose votes if they were seen to give anything to Sinn Fein, they would be raked over the coals. And those votes would bleed into other Unionist parties, threatening their majority here. So we're stuck in a tribal system with no compromise on either side. Hell, our government has been shut down since the DUP wasted half a billion on a botched renewable energy scheme, and even then they still keep a majority simply because people vote on only one topic here.

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>>77761871
hüvä valik

>>77762770
that's sad to read

Well, from one ethno-linguistic minority to another, I wish you good luck. Canada might not be perfect on language and minority issues, but I'm thankful that it's not even slightly as bad as what you're describing in your post.

>>77760861
Dutch Native
Eng C2
German B1
French A2
Korean A1 - A2
Turkish A1 - A2
Latin forgot everything

>>77762953
If ever you do choose to learn it, you'll probably be very comfortable with lots of the grammar, for example with the use of possessive suffixes and how they interact with noun cases (talo + -ssa + -ni = talossani, which is the same idea in Mari пӧpт + -ышт[ӧ] + -eм = пӧpтыштeм)

>>77763006
It's certainly a fucking grim state of affairs, but I was lucky enough to grow up in a neutral enough area with sane enough people. There are nice parts of the 'country', despite a lot of the people being absolute cunts to each other all the time.

>>77760861
all levels self-judged

>Spanish native
>English C2
>French B2
>Latin B1
>Mandarin A I've-studied-this-shit-for-far-too-long-to-still-be-so-shit-at-it-but-that's-how-it-is-hold-me-/lang/-please-;____; 2

>>77763328
I might try and see if I can fit it into my schedule. Given that it's very different from the Japanese and German I doubt it'll intefere with my learning. My question is, when it comes the former two languages I have no trouble finding sample text and idioms but what would I use for Mari? I know a few grammar and introduction books but do you know anywhere where I can just read mari? I know it's spoken by not so many people but are there anything like books, news, blogs or something you read?

>>77760861
Forgot to include my own profile.
I speak danish, english and icelandic.
I'm currently learning Faroese

>>77760861
Only started actively learning languages a couple of months ago.

>English C1 (native)
>Mandarin B1
>Southern Min A1
>Japanese A1

>>77764031
With Danish and Icelandic under your belt already Faroese should be a breeze.

>>77763785
I don't really do that much reading yet, but there's a few places to do some online reading:

https://mariuverm.com/
http://mari-arslan.ru/mari/welcome
http://кyгapня.pф/

If you want to do some listening instead, then there's local news in Mari:
http://www.gtrkmariel.ru/news/conduct-of-mari-el-in-the-mari-language/ (that TV channel also has some other shows in Mari, and they upload everything on youtube)
or radio in Mari (though for an hour a day they have Tatar instead of Mari, and from 22:00 to 6:00 their time they just play normal Russian songs)
http://mari-el-radio.ru/

>>77764128
it's not really a problem, it shares a lot with icelandic, although not mutually intelligible, it's close. Icelandic was a pain to learn, even when considering I was native in a north germanic language, so I'm glad to be over that.

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>>77764782
if dubs you learn Greenlandic

>>77764625
oh, and I forgot the most relevant one: http://гaзeтaмapийэл.pф/

>>77764823
I have unironically considered it. Getting all the big northern languages down has been sort of a dream for a while. However that includes finnish and russian as well, which is already bordering on a pipe dream.

>>77765102
I was thinking more about the "Kingdom of Denmark" perspective (since you're currently studying Faroese), but yeah from a Northern perspective too it would be interesting

>>77764625
>>77765045
Thanks a ton anon

>>77765243
don't mention it, and don't hesitate to ask any further questions

Also, for learning idiomatic things, the online dictionary has a lot of info, for example:
http://www.univie.ac.at/maridict/site-2014/dict.php?search=%D0%B4%D0%B0&linked=%D0%B4%D0%B0%20[1]&dir=0&spar=0&sub=0&spal=0&int=0&ort=0&ord=0&lang=0&

Sorry friends I once saw a post absolutely filled with links to archives and torrents of language learning resources. Anyone got that pasta or link?

>>77765507
you mean the /t/ link?

It was already posted ITT, but here you go anyway:
>>>/t/746368

>>77765548
ah I didn't realise it was a /t/ post. Obviously it's at the top, now I see
thanks anyway you're a good leaf

has anyone not from nz ever tried learning Maori?

it's barely even useful here, apart from really impressing Maori lol

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>>77766086
I have this image saved, though I've never taken a look at any of the links so I can't say if it'll really be useful or not.

Just how the fuck do I roll my r?
I'm learning Russian and I just cannot pronounce "P" at all. I just say the English R. I look at native Russians pronounce this letter and the fucking sound they make amazes me.
But my mouth just seems utterly incapable of replicating it.
pls help

>>77766478

just bee urself :)

>>77766478
start with the alveolar tap rather than the trill, imo it's an easier sound

any guides for the language of love

>>77766478
I always chuckle when I try to explain some slovene word that includes the letter R to tourists and they can't pronounce it. Didn't know it was that difficult for you lot

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>>77766768
check the image walkthrough (look at the first few replies ITT)

Also, /fr/ has some learners who would probably be happy to help you (some of them are pretty good). /fr/ also some pretty good maymays.

>>77766478
Have you heard the sound americans do when pronouncing the "tt" as in better, cottage, etc? You have to mantain a constant air flow which can sustain that sound repeatedly.

>>77766729
I never trill my R, it's a lot of effort when tapping is enough. Must make me sound like a fag.

I'm currently learning Russian through Duolingo, and I just keep thinking something seems a bit off.

Is the grammar really that simple? I'm finding that a lot of sentences that would be fairly long in English or any other language is turning out to be very short in Russian.

When I first started, I was answering incorrectly because I was overcomplicating things. I just want to know if the language really is that grammatically simple, or if there's something wrong with Duolingo.

>>77767699
No wait, tapping is probably normal anyway, I do the approximant.

>>77755092
>Sumerian
HOL UP
sumerian was a language isolate that interacted a lot with akkadian
hence the loanwords

>>77767717
There's no copula and no articles, consistently. If that's what you mean, then yes, it's that simple.

>>77767717

>russian
>grammatically simple

oh boy, just wait, fella

>>77760861
English native speaker learning Spanish because I now live in a city with lots of Spanish speakers. I hope to get very good in a year and a half, that's my goal.

>>77750853
>>77750812
>>77750757
How many of these are there? Is there like a repository for them online?

>>77767880
The questions can be very simple:
Are you a girl?
Tы дeвyшкa? (You girl?)
Are you going to the market?
Tы нa pынoк? (You to market?)

Latin Question

>Magnus est numerus servorum tuorum

Why do both "servorum" and "tuorum" have to be genitive plural?

>>77768414
>Are you a girl?
>Tы дeвyшкa? (You girl?)
Thanks. This will come in handy for finding Russian traps.

>>77768414
Although the latter only works with inanimate non-feminine nouns, otherwise you need the accusative form.

Hey russiabros, is there any real difference between хoтeть and жeлaть?

Has anyone used a software called pronunciator? Do you recommend it?

>>77768474
Tuorum modifies servorum so it must agree with it in both number and case.

>>77768474
Those possessive adjectives (meus/a/um, tuus/a/um, suus/a/um, noster/ra/rum and vester/ra/rum) agree in case, number and gender with their noun.

Amicus tuus = your male friend (nominative)
Amica tua = your female friend (nominative)
Amici tui = your male friends (nominative)
fatum amicorum tuorum = your male friends' destiny

Eius is different though, and doesn't undergo case/number/gender agreement.

>>77768627
I think the first one means"to want", and the second one "to wish"

>>77768627
Pretty much like want vs. desire.

How much do I miss out with if I use the mobile apps for Duolingo and Memrise? I know Rosetta Stone had some stuff that you could only use on the website and was wondering if that held true with other services.

>>77768984
>>77768874

ah cool, thanks lads

>>77768991
Duolingo on mobile doesn't have the useful grammar tips, last I heard, though i've never used the mobile app.

>>77770719
I just went to check it for myself and you're right. Those are actually really useful which kinda sucks because I do most of my studying on my phone when work quiets down during the day. I guess I'll just check them out later when I get home

Any latvians want to help me understand how to determine the present tense singular of a verb so I can know how to conjugate it.....my books aren't helping :(

>>77768718
>>77768775
Thanks guys.

Another question:
>In familia Iulii est magnus numerus servorum et ancillarum.

This is correct and means something like "In Julius's family is a large number of slave men and of slave women" right?

>>77771631
Yes. I'd say "there is a large number" instead of just "is a large number", but it's fine.

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>>77750913
That girl would be bullied then killed by Faroese savage chads.

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Learning a new language is pretty comfy desu

what are some good German workbooks?
also is there a flowchart for it?

>>77775176
Going from intermediate to proficient is soul-sucking, though.

>>77753014
Sei lá is very informal, kinda like "dunno" or "no idea". It might sound rude if someone made you a polite/serious question, but it's pretty normal to use it in light conversations.

Agora que percebi que eu deveria ter escrito isso em português... me desculpe.
Sobre partículas reflexivas, usa-se <- assim em caso de escrita, mas na fala praticamente todo mundo vai usar "se usa".
O nome disso é colocação pronominal, se quiser dar uma estudada mais a fundo. Existe a mesóclise, onde o pronome vai no meio (ter-se-ia, fa-lo-emos), but that's pretty archaic and you can ignore it until you're a Portuguese master.

>pero
Not a Portuguese word, SHIT I SWITCHED BACK TO ENGLISH! Use "mas".

>>77775669
Fucking this.

>>77775302
I used a book called Wie Geht's? by Sevin. There are several editions of it, just grab whatever you can. I also used Upgrade Your German by Snodgrass. The former is more for beginner's while the latter is geared towards intermediate iirc.

>>77760861
I'm learning Italian; I learned it all throughout highschool but forgot most of it until I just recently picked it back up again. Sadly there aren't many resources for Italian compared to other languages (like French, Spanish, German, etc). I wasn't even able to find a 2k word frequency list. For now I'm just refreshing my memory by going over Duolingo's vocab and watching TV with Italian subtitles

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If you guys are concerned about threads dying, here's an idea:
Get the habit of posting a "sentence of the day" (SOTD) in a language you speak or that you are learning, so other people learning the language can interact with your post.

Portuguese SOTD:
"Sou o homem da casa, cuido da minha mãe e irmão, sou dono de uma pequena empresa e sou um degenerado sexualmente, mas nada disso afeta o meu caráter."
Another one:
"Dinheiro pode até não trazer felicidade, mas dinheiro traz cocaína, que traz felicidade."

>>77776428
Anything work? Here's what I have off-hand.

Opening line to The Trial by Kafka:
"Jemand mußte Josef K. verleumdet haben, denn ohne daß er etwas Böses getan hätte, wurde er eines Morgens verhaftet."

>>77776602
As an addendum to this: I know German had a spelling reform and I only see ß is very specific cases and not in the words used in this sentence the way this book does. Does this look funky to German speakers or is it fine? Seems like I come across more words with ss instead.

>>77760861
I only speak English because burger but I want to learn Mandarin.

>>77776602
>Anything work?
If it's interesting, all the better. Put mine in Google Translation to have an idea, fished them from 55chan posts.

>>77776736
>Money may not even bring happiness, but money brings cocaine, which brings happiness.
Nice.

Is 55chan the Brazilian 4chan?

>>77775814
Muito obrigado.
As regras parecem mais complicadas do que tinha pensado. Vou ter que estudá-las um pouco mais. Não sabia nem que a mesóclise existia. Encontra-se ela só em contextos literários e formais?

>>77776811
There's 55 and br chan. Portuguese Internet culture is extremely broad. It's rivaling English internet culture at this point. There are more .com.br domains that speak Portuguese than .com domains that speak Portuguese.

>>77776428
Here's my SOTD for French

>Il me semble que je serais toujours bien là où je ne suis pas.
it's a quote by Charles Baudelaire

>>77760861
I only speak English. I did Japanese in school for eight years and got pretty decent but after ten years of never using it I've forgotten nearly all of it. I'll pick it back up eventually, but for the time being I'm having a lot of fun learning Russian. I never really enjoyed Japanese, it's just what my school offered.

>>77776428
Chinese revolutionary music for Children is actually a decent enough place to start learning basic sentences in Mandarin.

我爱北京天安门
wo ai beijing tiananmen
I love Beijing Tiananmen

wo - I, singular
ai - Love
Beijing and Tiananmen are both proper nouns, but each has meaning.

Bejing
Bei 北 means North
Jing 京 means Capital
So literally Northern Capital.

Tiananmen
Tian 天 Sky, or Heaven
An 安 Variety of meanings all centered around security and peace
Men 门 Gate (even looks like a little gate!)
So literally Gate of Heavenly Peace.

https://youtu.be/I6IVg_mpzIQ?t=46

But you might recognize it from this ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_aXcH1zDEE

>>77777355
Also the song itself is incredibly repetitive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Love_Beijing_Tiananmen

I love Beijing Tiananmen,
The sun rises above Tiananmen.
Greatest Leader Chairman Mao,
Leading all of us forward.

Just repeated over and over. It's a part of the PROC's primary education to know this song, similar to Star Spangled banner or somesuch.

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>>77776822
Sim, só políticos tentando parecer cultos usam mesóclise.

>>77776811
>>77776844
BRchan is dead, 55 is the big one now (its /b/ movement equals 4chan's /int/, approximately).
BRchan came back but with a different owner last year and it went to shit, it became a desert and I think the Russians actually stole the domain and it's now a Russian bunker. Pretty interesting story, if you ask me.

Here's 55's mascot.

>>77778377
I run a forum about Internet drama and weird people online and I want to open a Portuguese language board for it. I know Brazil has lots of Chris-Chan types and I want to capture those people but I don't know Portuguese so I'd have to rely on others to moderate it.

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What's the easiest language to learn for a native English speaker?
>the one you're interested in
I've been studying Japanese for two years, and it's hard as fuck.
Objectively, what is the easiest?

>>77778777
>What's the easiest language to learn for a native English speaker?
Spanish.

https://www.duolingo.com/

>>77778777
Dutch and French are the easiest for English speakers

>>77778777
Not objectively, but subjectively for you that would be Mandarin Chinese. I imagine the grammar must feel natural for a native English speaker, and you get to use words you already know from Japanese. It's also a more useful language than anything else you can name.

>>77779428
are you joking? syntactically the grammar of chinese is very simple but that's because they can't collide symbols to make different meanings. "我” is "I" or "me" and "们" is a pluralizer so "我们“ becomes "us" or "we".

That doesn't make Chinese easy. It makes it a mess of memorization.

>>77779453
Sure, but don't tell me you know nothing in the way of Chinese writing after 2 years of studying Japanese. I have LESS than 2 years but I already can read uncomplicated Mandarin just by looking at it and thinking on the characters for a bit.

>>77779496
I'm a different burger than the guy who studied for 2 years.

And yes, there is a massive distinction. Japanese people on average need 300 kanji to read a newspaper. Chinese people need to know 3000 ”zi" 字 to read a newspaper.

>>77779540
further the syntax of Japanese is far detached from Chinese.

A Japanese boy would write "boku no neko" 僕の猫. Boku is a first person informal pronoun for a male. No is a possessive indicator. Neko is a cat.

In Chinese, 僕 means servant and is pronounced pu. 猫 does mean cat but it is pronounced mao.

The same sentence in Chinese would be 我的猫 and is pronounced "wo de mao".

Learning both Chinese and Japanese seems like it'd be a huge pain in the ass.

>>77779540
Well, I'd expect him to know, more like 1300 (still kind of low) rather than 300 for being two years in, plus a fair amount of kango most of which would be shared.

>>77779594
The syntax of Chinese is intrinsically understandable to English speakers so I'm not sure who we're talking about here.

The 1st person pronoun that is instead used in Chinese, has almost exactly the same meaning in Japanese and is commonly used there. If anything, it makes Mandarin look the easier language for overwhelmingly using only one pronoun.

Regarding the cat character, well, at some point you do have to learn something new if you're starting a new language? Knowing the Japanese on'yomi helps, as does understanding that it has a phonetic component.

>>77777355
Simplified chinese is go ugly. compare the normal 愛 for love and 門 for gate. The jews really do ruin all that is beautiful.

>>77779540
>Japanese people on average need 300 kanji to read a newspaper
Fake news, 2300-3000, same as Chinese.

I have learned them all in 500 days, 2 years in you should at LEAST be at N3 level, read the guide in >>>/int/DJT if you're this slow and fix your studying ways.

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>>77779752
Interesting to note that it is a constructed language. Mao Zedong invented it. His armed rebellion's flag (Chinese Workers' and Peasants' Red Army) had traditional on it because at that point it was not a thing.

>>77779794
It took a while for his jewish advisers to whisper in his ear the ways to subvert a nation's culture. Removing the heart radical 心 from love 愛 is simply blatant in it's desire to make a dystopia out of a nation.

>>77779857
Interesting!

Can one learn Mandarin through traditional script, or are there irreplaceable features? That crap looks ugly as shit.

>>77779888
Pinyin is the romanization of Chinese. It has made the language more accessible to the poorly educated.

>>77779905
What are you even talking about, you bopomofing American?

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>>77779888
Of course, they still use the traditional script in Taiwan (which uses Mandarin) as well as Hong Kong and Macau (which use Cantonese)

Pic related is a guide for learning Mandarin with traditional characters, if ever you want to go to Taiwan instead of Mainland China.

>>77779888
Taiwan still uses traditional characters and they speak mandarin, so yeah it's still possible to do so and for it to be useful.

>>77779921
I thought you were asking if you could learn Chinese without using their characters, but I guess your monkey brain fucked up and you wrote your question in a stupid way.

Traditional is still used in SG, HK, and TW. A lot of Chinese-speaking areas resistant to the Communists use Traditional out of defiance as the CPC recognizes only Simplified.

>>77779936
>>77779941
Nice, thanks. Guangdong and the Provinces are the only areas of China that interest me anyway.

>>77779946
"Can I learn Mandarin with traditional script?"
"Yes, you can use the latin alphabet."
Dude.

>>77779996
The upside of learning traditional is also access to the historical writings, which the simplifiedfags are cut off from unless they learn both writing systems. Cutting the population off from its own history was after all one of the main points of the whole simplified characters thing. You can see the same historical subversion in the US non-linguistically with the whole ''Founding fathers are dated old white men'' and ''Get rid of the confederate flag!''. People never learn because they fail to stop the same people behind all these movements.

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I speak English and somewhere between A2-B1 (self evaluated) German. I would like to learn Mandarin Chinese.

I know there are plenty of resources linked, but I'd like to hear from any other anons learning Mandarin about what's working for you. It's such a daunting language to me that I really need to see resources that have worked for someone firsthand.

Any recs would be great.

>>77780315
I've tried using Rosetta but if I take any break at all from it I lose all my knowledge.

There are also some things which simply cannot be learned without someone explaining it to you. The five tones are completely unrepresented in Rosetta and are the most important facet of the language. The Chinese language is like 100 different sounds in 5 different tones and a million homophones each that require context to make any sense.

desu I think Mandarin requires an actual tutor and some friends who are willing to amuse you.

Ich spreche grundlegend Deutsch.

Would that be gramatically correct and make sense?

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>>77760861
>Turkish : native speaker
>English : C1 or C2, almost 10 years of school and lifelong absorption
>Spanish : B1, hope to reach B2 within this year
>French: A1, only know the basics, self-studied
>German: A1, I actually used to be A2 when I was 13-14 but I just left studying it, still remember its basics and some vocab

Want to improve spanish and french, and want to learn portuguese.

sorry for personal blog

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When should I start a coursebook completely in the target language?

>>77780315
I tried to start but gave up because honestly I could not see myself learning the tones and all those characters.

>>77750679
Business idea: take the most common languages being learned and create a thread specifically for them. Make /int/ more about languages, as per the sticky, and less about nation based chatrooms. Draw some of the decent natives out of their pigeon-holes and into threads to provide advice for and answers asked by learners.
If it can work for the daily Japanese thread then it can surely work for other major languages. /lang/ is too generic, why is part of the reason why it dies.

>>77783593
DJT stands because we're huge weebs, but I guess you could try with the more common target language for starters: Spanish.

As someone who was forced to move to /int/ due DJT being banned to here, I'm all for doing away with the flag/b/ atmosphere and injecting some actual cultural content here, language learning would be just the first step.

But I think you're overestimating /int/, I'm not sure the fault of the thread dying is lack of focus, but rather lack of productive anons. /int/ is absolutely stale when it comes to generating any kind of OC or collaborative activity. I've tried many projects, from creating languages to making comics to making collaborative singing. I am actually impressed with /lang/ managing to hold it out so much these days, not long ago it'd die way more frequently and sooner. Maybe the time to comfortably branch into subthreads could be near.
How about language groups, such as "romance language learning"?

>>77784776
I want to read about other people learning other languages, not just the ones I'm myself interested in.
We have a good thing going now these days, the thread used to die after ten posts.
Let's keep it this way.

>>77783463
Tones come much more easily if you expose yourself beforehand to Mandarin speech.

I also trained myself by listening to Mandarin songs while following Chinese lyrics (no translation). It may sound autistic to do all this without understanding, but the way it forces you to get accustomed to the superficial aspect of the language is fantastic.

>>77776428
Seems neat, here's a Turkish SOTD, it's a proverb
Bicak yarasi gecer, dil yarasi gecmez

>>77775669
>>77775857
Just take your time, enjoy the process.

Each level jump takes twice as long as the last, so the more advanced you get, the harder it is to feel like you are improving - but you are improving.

>>77750679
Når jeg snakker med danskere nogle gange ser jeg dem bruge fandme jysk med hinanden. Det ligner da overhovedet ikke dansk?? Hvordan i helvede kan man lære det her sprog? Det er helt forskelligt og ser skort ud.

>>77780629
Are you going to do them one at a time or at the same time? Seems like reaching your Spanish or French goal first would be best. So maybe Spanish B2, then french B2, then start Portuguese?

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>>77763600
there, there anon
there, there

>>77787734
Det kommer meget an på hvor i jylland de er fra. Jeg er fra vestjylland og nogle mennesker her snakker på en komplet retarderet måde, mens andre, hovedsageligt fra ostjylland, snakker en mere forståelig dialekt.

Tror bare at du skal prove på at vende dig til de forskellige dialekter, det er skam muligt.

>>77776428
今日はドイツ語をそしてちょっとマリ語を勉強する

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>>77776428
I'm just learning, here is one I was practicing just a bit ago:

Él va a estar allí dos meses. Somos amigos, pero si estamos juntos no me gusta.

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Pregunta!

In this house there is only what is needed
>En esta casa hay solamente lo necesario

I understand in this house is en esta casa" and there is is "hay" and solamente is only, but why is "lo necesario" what is needed? "lo" means what?

>>77790128
Es difícil de explicar si no lo estudiaste, pero afortunadamente encontré esto:
https://www.spanishdict.com/guide/using-the-neuter-article-lo-in-spanish

>>77790358
Gracias amigo. Estoy usando frases para estudiar y no sé muchos cosas todos las días

>>77790743
>no sé muchos cosas todos las días
¿Podrías escribir este fragmento en inglés para poder corregirte? No sé qué quisiste decir.

I'm learning Russian, but I've wasted a lot of time so far trying different things without any kind of structure. It gets boring to learn the same basic shit over and over though, so now I've decided to use lingvist for vocab 30-40 min a day, and do some reading every night.

>>77764782
What did you do to learn Icelandic? And how long did it take you? I studied it a while years ago, thinking of picking it up again now.

>>77790870
Shit.

I don't know a lot of things every day.

Basically what I was trying to say overall is "I use contextual learning with Lingvist a lot, and I try to learn what the sentences mean while I learn the vocab - so I don't know things all the time" I'm also doing Pimsleur and MT, but haven't gotten far enough to know what the neuter article is yet.

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Tempted to learn Spanish so I can get myself a thicc Lating gf

>>77791419
follow your dick, Jan

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>>77791419
meant Latin

>>77760861
>>77750679
speaks spanish and learning english by memes and shitposting

>>77791120
I don't know a lot of things. = No sé muchas cosas. (the rest was fine)
The part of "every day" doesn't add up. I can't make much sense out of it even in English.

>>77791419
esas no están buenas

>>77788032
Mener du jeg burde lære nogen som helst dialekt undtagen vestjysk?

Forresten er de fra nordjylland, tror jeg

>>77791419
Go portuguese so you can get that brazillian boipucci

Trying to improve my Spanish.

Just spent a month in Mexico and am hopefully going back again for a month and a half mid-November.

Not sure what I'll do to continue improving while I'm in Africa and South Asia. Fug.

>>77791419
Only problem is they have huge families. Having a latinaqt means having a latinaqt + her parents, grandparents, great grandparents, twelve cousins, parents, twenty second cousins, five dogs, two cats, and one fish named Pedro.

I like the columbians desu.

>>77791757
Gracías.

>>77792482
their parents*

>>77792482
>Only problem is they have huge families.
supposedly that's rapidly changing nowadays

Latin American birth rates are freefalling to Western levels.

>>77792563
I haven't witnessed the affects of that here in Miami, anecdotally. They all seem to have massive families.

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bump for Uralo-Turkic friendship

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>look up word in l2->l2 dictionary
>defined with a word you don't know
>look up second word
>defined with the first word you looked up

Does anyone here want some help in Portuguese

>>77793750
>Practical joke: see fooling someone
>Fooling someone: see practical joke

>>77792682
Thats beacuse to america come those latinos who are so much scum they can even live there. Meaning you get african tier spic in your cunt kek

Aghh, can't concentrate.
Might just watch a documentary in German.

>>77750679
currently learning the language of my ancestors, arabic, inshallah i'll get gud

>>77795226
I can't wait until I'm good enough to do that type of thing. I try listening to spanish tv now and it all goes over my head. I'm only a month in though.

>>77795263
I'm still quite basic too, will be using subs otherwise the majority would be going over my head.
I try to make it a game. Pay no attention to the subs and see what you can understand, then rewind and see how right you were.

>>77793559
hungarian linguists tried to prove that hungarian is related to turkish
guess it runs in the family

>>77795349
Thanks, I'll try that.

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I get kinda stressed when the thread is going to 404. We need more language learners.

>>77795226
Watch Er ist wieder da. It should be on English netflix, might be under the english name "He's back"

>>77750679

>English native
>Spanish B1
>Russian A0 Just started last week, anyone know any good websites I can use as a main source?

>>77777777

Has anyone here learn Arabic? Anyone give me some pointers? Seems hard to start

>>77795383
it was the finnish who came up with the turan stuff

>>77798000
Christ they really have taken over the UK

>>77798352
Does that mean the finno-ugrics have taken over Canada because that one guy is learning mari? It'd be more of a case of "they've taken over" if he went "Who eneds tips/help with arabic, I'm pretty much native"

>>77798657
Just wanting to speak their savage tongue is completely lost to me.

>>77798738
To defeat your enemy is to know him.

>>77798657
>Does that mean the finno-ugrics have taken over Canada
Yes, it's over, please send help ;_;

>>77798738
Stop being so fucking shallow, Arabic can be a beautiful language. For example, this chant imo is even more beautiful than the original Greek:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V27RKwOoQbY

Just because you dislike Islam, doesn't mean you have to start being bashful against a language.

>>77799017
>bashful
I just realized after posting that "bashful" wasn't the word I was looking for

basically, don't be antagonistic against languages, it frankly makes no sense

>>77798890
You are probably right, but I think we should just quit fucking around and turn their shit into glass and take all the oil. Fuck 'em. Those arabic speaking rich countries are obviously funding terrorism, and the ones that aren't should have spent the last two decades getting rid of it rather than tolerating it.

I know I sound like a 15 year old in 2002, but honestly my opinion hasn't changed much.

>>77799017
It's a savage tongue and you're a huge pussy

>>77799161
>I know I sound like a 15 year old in 2002, but honestly my opinion hasn't changed much.
that's not something to be proud of

>>77799161
Eh, glassing it is too much for me. Embargo that shit and cut all relations.

Except for Iran, Iran is bretty gud despite all its faults.

>>77798028
>turan stuff
wat

>>77799198
pussy

>>77799215
I'm good with that, embargo, cut relations. Do something rather than sit here letting terrorists blow up international cities using Saudi and UAE funding.

Iran shouldn't get nukes. If they have a problem with it they can get bombed. Obama said "the nuclear deal is the only alternative to going to war with Iran" and I say fine.

>>77799339
>never heard of turan
wtf

>>77799458
i only know of some shit called the shrouds of turin
i'm not the kinda autist that spends all his day researching other groups to call them niggers in a well informed way
not yet at least
seriously what are they?

>>77799430
Meh, Pakistan has nukes and nobody bats an eye, despite that country constantly being on the verge of civil war for the past decade. Even if Iran got nukes, who would they use them on. Israel? They'd turn the whole world against them, Jewish, Christian and Muslim, for nuking Jerusalem. (even if only through fallout) America? You guys have plenty of defence systems, and they know that whatever they send you can return ahundredfold. Using nukes offensively is suicidal, even they know that. Also a reminder that even when Iraq used chemical weapons against Iranian civilians, Iran still didn't use chemical weapons themselves in retaliation.

But this is getting offtopic, if you want to throw in a final reply, sure, but I won't reply to that. What language are you learning anyway, or did you just see the Arabic whilst scrolling through frontpage?

>>77799161

Please fuck off you mong. This is /lang/ not facebook.

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>>77768414
This is very similar to my language Cree which is an algonquian language.
>kiya iskwêw ci?
Are you a woman?
(Lit: you woman?) ci is the same as Japanese "ka". It's our question mark

Are you at the store?
>atawewikamikohk ci kiya?
(Lit: Store at ? you)
You could take out ci and just add that questioning sound when asking something as well. Also, Russian and Cree have free word order. So you could say
>kiya atawewikamikohk?

Usually the first word in a sentence is reserved for things you want to emphasize

>>77799590
I'm learning Spanish.

Bit burned out today with it. I might be studying too much. I've been studying ~3 hours a day, on top of work, and don't feel like I'm making fast enough progress. I really want to learn it fast because I can use it immediately in my situation (bunch of Spanish-only speaking workers at the company I work for).

I've been keeping track of studying time and I'm about 60 hours in, over 1 month and 1 week elapsed time. I'm about A1 level. I know a lot of stuff that qualifies for A2 level but I'm not able to string it together with enough grammar yet. My guess is another 60 hours and might be more useful there. My brain can only cram so much in at once. I have a lot of vocab still to learn and balancing that with the grammar.

>>77799688
It was close to 404, /lang/ needs some bantz to keep it alive.

>>77799588
Turanism, Pan-Turanianism, Pan-Turanism or Pan-Turkism in some extent, is a nationalist cultural and political movement born in the 19th century, to counter the effects of pan-nationalist ideologies like Pan-Germanism and Pan-Slavism.[1] It proclaimed the need for close cooperation or alliance between culturally, linguistically or ethnically related peoples of Inner Asian origin from Turkic peoples.

>>77799863
>my language Cree
neat

what variety exactly? where exactly (what province)?

Please share more about your language (both from a purely linguistic perspective, and also more political aspects, e.g. how does the language fare nowadays, how do you foresee its future, etc.) I'd love to read anything you have to say, I'm really interested in our minority languages (I'm from Québec myself so we have a lot of Cree up North).

>>77800258
>tfw latin island
btw has hungarian mongrelised as much as romanian? we have like 20% latin roots

>>77799588
>>77800258
Also:
>Ural–Altaic, Uralo-Altaic or Uraltaic, also known as Turanian, is an obsolete language-family proposal uniting the Uralic and Altaic languages.
>Originally suggested in the 19th century, the hypothesis remained debated into the mid 20th century, often with disagreements exacerbated by pan-nationalist agendas,[1] enjoyed its greatest popularity by the proponents in Britain.[2] Since the 1960s, the hypothesis has been widely rejected.

So nowadays, "turan" refers mostly just to Altaic languages, but 100 years ago it referred to both Altaic and Uralic. Also, it should be noted that even today there's still quite a bit of controversy surrounding Altaic languages, specifically on the topic of whether Koreanic and even Japonic languages belong to that family (most academics reject that idea though).

>>77750679
for learn i recommend practice with someone, go to find people of x languaje and chat

>>77801195
For learning I recommend practicing with someone. Go find people of X language and chat. *

>>77799161

Dude Arabic is a great, rich language. It's a beautiful language, despite the fact that some unpleasant people use it daily. It also looks fucking amazing.

>>77800268
I speak Alberta plains cree, the y-dialect. But i speak a northern plains Cree dialect. Cree has dialects within dialects tb h.
How me and my grandparents speak in contrast to the other plains cree speakers near and around Edmonton; we like to shorten our words, specifically by taking out all the short "i's" in words
>iskwewsis - girl
We'd pronounce it as something like
>xkwees
They speak abit slower down by Ed

>from a linguistics perspective
There's alot i could say. Anything specific though?

>political view
Well, Cree is the most spoken native language in Canada regardless of dialects. Plains is the biggest dialect, spanning from central Alberta to eastern Manitoba. There's actually quite a large language revitalization going on for Cree as it's number in speakers is very slowly increasing.
In the future, can't really say (tb h it might not even see the the 2200s). It's my dream for cree and other native languages in general to be considered official languages in Canada; areas where certain languages are spoken exclusively. I was taught cree as a second language by my grandparents. Now I'm doing my best to teach my cousins it, so, I can stop speaking English to them. There's quite a bit can say

Also side note, I'm low-key learning Nakota for the hell of it, so, I can teach my nakota friend to speak it aswell :P

>>77802097
>Anything specific though?
I'm curious about the syntax and grammar especially.

Also, I'm guessing that there's little mutual intelligibility between Cree dialects, or am I wrong? Would you and a Cree speaker from Quebec be able to communicate in Cree to one another?

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Is it normal for my written and reading to be miles ahead of my speaking and listening?
I've been learning Chinese for 4 months and I can read and write over 1,000 words.

But the Chinese spoken language might as well be complete gibberish to me.
Even though it's supposed to be "easier to learn spoken than written".

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>>77803195
In fact I have no idea how anyone would even learn spoken Chinese without learning written, even though expats claim they've done exactly that.

Chinese has so many homophones, how would you differentiate in spoke speech without being able to visualise the word?

A person who had only learnt spoken Chinese would believe 是 and 试 to be the same word.

>>77803195
>Is it normal for my written and reading to be miles ahead of my speaking and listening?
Yes, if you only ever learned via writing and never got any listening practice in.

In my case, my knowledge of written Spanish is MUCH better than my knowledge of written German (B2 compared to A2), and yet if I listen to a random audio segment, I'll be able to decipher a larger portion of it in German than in Spanish, incredibly. The reason for this is that the way I learned Spanish was almost exclusively written, and I've never managed to find any music or series or anything of the sort in Spanish which I enjoy. German, on the other hand, is a completely different story: for most of my life, I've been listening to substantial amounts of German music (it's only in the past few years that that's changed) and constantly looking up lyrics and translations. For this reason, my ability to decipher words in spoken German is much better than in Spanish.

>>77803329
>and yet if I listen to a random audio segment, I'll be able to decipher a larger portion of it in German than in Spanish, incredibly
just to clarify, here I'm talking about average colloquial speech

if it's clear and slow speech, then it's obviously a different story

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Can anyone read this

>>77802906
Syntax is relatively easy for the most part. But it gets a bit complicated (or easier depending on how you see things) when it comes to sentences with more than 2 nouns, because we have a system that shows which nows are more important. KIND OF like accusative and nominative cases. Obviative and proximate its called. It's more of a way of telling which noun is more important to the story. Obviative being the more important and prox being the less important.
>the man killed that rabbit
>awa napêw kînipahêw naha wapôsa
(Lit: this man [past tense]-kill-he that rabbit-[proximate ending]) proximate words end in -a

Cree loves verbs and the system is quite fluid when talking.
Basically, like, English has pre/postpositions, and copula, and auxiliary verbs all as their own seperate words
>I am hungry, I would really like to eat right now.
All seperate words
In Cree, verbs always have to be connected with a subject.
>ninôhtêkatân, ninôhtêmîcison mekwâc
(Lit: I-wouldlike-hungry, I-wouldlike-eat[inanimate] now)
If that makes sense…

I always like to say that Cree is a story telling language

>mutual intelligibility
Well it's not hard at all when speaking with our own dialects. I can understand manitoba plains cree speakers really easy (same language and words afterall, just different pronounciation) also because they speak more clearly and slowly. Woods cree speakers with the -th- dialect have some different words and sayings than us but i can understand them pretty good.
Ontario swampy and moose cree sounds really weird to me but it almost came naturally to me as to what they were saying.
But as soon as you get past james bay, it's pretty much a whole other language. They're montagnais iirc. I can pick out words here and there but it sounds like they have this thick bush accent with their vowels
>tornado
"kîspin" here
"Kashtin" there
My grandma can't understand a word they say in Quebec

how do i learn hungarian?
i want to be able to shitpost in kurva anyatok as a crypto-manian-posing-as-a-szekely-posing-as-a-romanian

>>77804751
Not a translation thread. Google Translate lets you draw the characters, give it a go, the results are fairly accurate.

>>77797077
I'm a language learner here, it's one of my favourite things, but I find it hard to contribute to these cause I don't know what to say

>>77805968
Really the reason the threads die is because language learners don't seem to like fun. There was some bantz laid down earlier by me about Arabic and cries ensued. Then this >>77804751 weeb wants his Mongolian cartoon masturbation cream instructions translated and gets told to piss off.

>>77806283
I mean the bantz are fairly off topic, we'd be better off without them honestly.

>>77804751
Learn Chinese (I think the jar's in Mandarin?) so you can feel the satisfaction of reading it
This is your goal
Your life devotion
I believe in you!

>>77805415
neat, thank you so much for sharing all of this! If you feel like sharing more don't be shy, like I said earlier I'd love to learn more.

I wonder why so many aboriginal North American languages (from completely different families) are so agglutinative. I wonder if it has to do with that "story-telling" aspect you talked about, seeing as oral tradition is an important tradition for pretty much all aboriginal Americans.

>montagnais
Nowadays the more accepted term is "Innu", but yes, they're one of our Cree groups. We also have some James Bay Cree though. Also, speaking of Kashtin, that reminds me of this Innu song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTsBdH3Dohw

Anyway, I wish you good luck in your dream of revitalizing your language. Like elsewhere in Canada, we in Quebec don't have the best of relations with our native groups, but I think one thing we can agree on and appreciate is the value of preserving your language. I myself am particularly interested in minority languages (probably one of the elements which pushed me to start learning Mari). Being able to work in the field of language preservation and revitalization would probably be a dream job.

>>77806420
Who cares as long as its roughly related to language? It can't get too far but the reason this thread dies is because it's stale as fuck, probably because most of these language learners have the tism and take everything seriously. As long as it meets the board rules it is fine.

>>77806512
do you say CREEEEEE when you get angry?

watched a German film earlier on, called Stereo
was alright, quite edgy though.

>>77806611
I need to find some good Spanish tv for a beginner. Not sure I could handle children's shows but I might try

>>77806515
I mean as long as it doesn't go on for the whole thread it's not cancerous or anything, but you could also try generating proper conversations about languages instead of devolving into political shit throwing.

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>>77806569
>CREEEEEE PALEFACES GET OUT OF MY CONTINENT

>>77806953
i'm at peace

>>77806688
Los simuladores
Give it a try, it is on Netflix. It doesn't have subs though.

>>77806753
I'm trying it's a tough place. I'll think of something tonight for tomorrow.

>>77807270
I'm such a neophyte no subs will probably be an issue but I'll try it thank you!

>>77807270
Oh while you're talking about Netflix there's something I haven't seen mentioned here before. If you go into the Netflix account settings on their webpage and change the language setting on your profile you'll actually get a lot more language options than you normally would. For example I speak English and am learning Turkish but I couldn't find anything with Turkish subs or audio on Netflix until I changed my profile language to Turkish. Suddenly every Netflix original program had Turkish audio and subtitles and a few other shows got Turkish subs. Still wouldn't let you access content exclusive to that country but it does open your language options up a lot more.

>>77806420
He could have potentially raised an interesting topic desu

What would be defined as an ugly language? Should we be allowed to refer to language as ugly if the general consensus is that is ugly sounding, or should we be neutral about all languages?

>>77806512
Yeah man, I'm doing what I can teaching what I know. I'll see if there's anyone interested in learning some Cree here.

I remember your mari posts too. So good luck to you too

>>77808107
Wow, that's great. I've been struggling to find anything in portuguese. That will be of much help, thanks.
Does that change just your or everyone's "profile"? Because my whole family uses it and they won't like it very much.

>>77809118
Just yours, although if you were the last person to use it the text at the top will ask who is watching in whatever language your profile is set to, but that goes away as soon as they change profiles.

>>77808822
Depends on how were viewing /lang/ I suppose. If you want to encourage language learning in general then you should stay away from calling any one language ugly.
Like with Anthropology, all cultures hold merit to study and understand and calling one bad or ugly is generally frowned upon, even if society as a whole thinks so.
I'm all for discussion on individual opinions of how a language sounds though, you can certainly think it's ugly or not but you asked if /we/ should, to which I'd say no.

>>77788875
uff me gusta como se ve tu monita china, por que no vamos a ver juntos un anime weona

>>77809061
I'm interested in learning Cree after I get to a decent level of fluency in the language I'm learning now
Is it possible to learn Cree by reading the grammar page on Wikipedia and reading some dictionaries?

>>77809644
>Is it possible to learn Cree by reading the grammar page on Wikipedia and reading some dictionaries?
no

Even a very complete Wikipedia page like that of the English language or French language wouldn't be able to cover a sufficient portion of what there is to learn, let alone for an irrelevant language like Cree.

>>77809644
>is it possible by reading.
Well, maybe not impossible but cree works completely different from anything from eurasia, so theres alot of different concepts you're gonna have to have explainations about. Wikipedia just shows you the basic concepts so it's definitely not enough.

Grammar books are your best bet.

İyi geceler, /lang/
Hoping you survive till morning

Can someone deconstruct this sentence for me?

天安门上太阳升;
Tiān'ānmén shang tàiyáng shēng;

Transcribed to: "the sun rises above Tiananmen."

What's confusing is that sheng is a verb meaning to rise, and shang is an adjective (?) meaning above or on top of something.

I don't understand how this sentence composes, though. It literally is "Tiananmen above the Sun rises". At least in Spanish, where adjectives follow the noun, you can sort of understand. "Casa Blanca" meaning "House White" for "White House" is simple.

How does shang in that sentence modify "the sun rises" to mean the noun before it (tiananmen) to compose "The run rises over Tiananmen"?

>>77808822
>>77809408
I think if people wanted reddit they'd just go there.

While constant shitposting is irritating, I have no problem on occasion calling a language shit for just laughs or to get a rise out of someone.

That said, there is for sure better ways to get more discussion going and I think it will just take some creativity on our part. The anon would tried the sentence of the day was great, we could have "post a qt and tell what you'd do to her in your currently studied language, then translate below". I think also "status checks" are always good: language level, tools being used, progress notes etc. I suspect there are enough motivated people here to get the threads rolling better. They really don't need huge traffic they just need to have enough to make it through the busy hours without getting bumped, plus be a little more engaging to attract more language learners.

Don't let the thread die.
Tell me some little but interesting facts about your language.
I'll start. In Spanish we have the word "mañana", which translates both as "tomorrow" and "morning", and the way to know whether it means one or the other is using the masculine and femenine definite article respectively.
el mañana = the tomorrow
la mañana = the morning

>>77812156
I like how in Spanish the words breakfast, lunch, and dinner are all verbs. If I say "desayuno pescado" it means "I eat fish for breakfast". it's very succinct.

>>77811710
>all lengwijiz have sem gremmar

[天安门上] is one compound, 上 comes after the noun it modifies, i.e. 桌子上 - on the table, so here it means, ABOVE Tian'anmen [square]. You fucking 'tard.

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>Maris
>white

>>77812275
Maris are whiter than Italians and Spaniards, so yes, they are extremely white. Sorry they don't have anglo features.

>>77812222
well, you still have the verb "to dine"

>>77812254
ok m8 the humor me this

If I said "I am on the train", I'd say this:
我在火车上

Right? So then is it also acceptable to say:
火车上我在

>>77812404
It is very uncommon to use that verb. If you're "dining" on something it really emphasizes a sort of lavishness. It's a sort of pretentious word.

>>77812254
don't be rude, lad

>>77812156
In French, the word "jamais" can either mean "never", or "ever". Technically you can differentiate between the two with the negative particle ("ne"), but in spoken French it's never used.

One such case where this could be particularly confusing is the expression "à jamais", which when translated word for word appears to be "to never", but in reality is actually "forever".

>>77812426
No, because there's a set sentence structure. Just like you couldn't say, 'Train I am on'. If you really want to get into the deep linguistic mathematical equations, go read a book. Otherwise just learn it as it is.

>>77812493
That's why I'm asking why it's acceptable to say "Tianamen over, the sun rises" but not "On train, I am"

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>>77812344
I know, I'm just funposting.

pic related

>>77812525
First of all, your example was song lyrics, or at least from some kind of prose, so it's already under a different set of rules if you want to be anal about it. Secondly don't treat directional words (i.e. 上, 下) as an individual word in these cases, treat it only as a suffix of the noun it's modifying.

>>77812156
I didn't know that, thank you. I thought it was always la mañana.

t. spanish beginner

>>77812602
>don't treat directional words (i.e. 上, 下) as an individual word in these cases, treat it only as a suffix of the noun it's modifying.
That helps a lot. thx britbong probably from hongkong.

>>77750679
What's the best way to say sorry in Spanish? Specifically for a minor inconvenience like only having large bills to pay with or bumping into someone. "Lo siento" doesn't feel right for that sort of thing, but I don't know. Do people in Spanish speaking countries say sorry as much as Americans do?

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>>77812222
>If I say "desayuno pescado" it means "I eat fish for breakfast".
Google translate says that means "breakfast fish" - I wish translation tools were better.

>>77812696
Also interested.

>>77812702
That's because desayuno is both the first person singular version of desayunar and the noun for breakfast.

>>77812696
>>77812771
why not use "perdón"?

>>77812457
yeah, I know that, but seeing how easy is to convert any word into a verb in English it's kinda strange that you don't do the same with breakfast and such

>>77812481
I read somewhere that as in french there's ne and pas its speakers would eventually start dropping their "ne's" and just say "pas". Have you heard anything like that going on, like in street talk?

>>77812610
it's a pleasure, if you have any question don't hesitate in asking me

>>77812696
>>77812771
perdón, or disculpa/disculpe would be the first things to cross my mind

Japanese and Mandarin. Anki will be running hot for years to come.

>>77812902
disculpa - excuse me
perdón - sorry (for doing something wrong)

If a someone's relative that you know dies and you say "perdón" that would imply that you killed him/her or that you were responsible for it, so in such situation say "lo siento"

>>77812902
>I read somewhere that as in french there's ne and pas its speakers would eventually start dropping their "ne's" and just say "pas". Have you heard anything like that going on, like in street talk?
Yup, it's quite rare in spoken colloquial French to ever hear the negative particle "ne", even though in "proper" French you're supposed to use it.

What's interesting is that this happens in every single dialect of French.

How does meaning of a sentence get affected by word order in Spanish?
For example if I said "Mi camisa blanca, por favor" how is it different from "Mi blanca camisa, por favor."

>>77813319
The adjectives apply to the noun preceding it, so "white" in that second sentence applies to "my", which is a determiter (and not a pronoun) and cannot accept adjectives. An equivalent english sentence is "White my shirt."

>>77813377
wrong

>>77813377
Ah so that's why it's always noun and then adjective rather than adjective and noun. Thanks.

>>77813310
Didn't know it was so widespread. Do you know why did pas appeared in the first place?

>>77813319
this >>77813377

In some cases you can change the order, but that would change its meaning too.

hombre pobre - poor man(he has no money)
pobre hombre - poor man(I pitty him)

What European language should I learn if I want to make a lot of friends on the internet?

>>77813574
Old Norse

>>77813574
arabic

>>77813574
hola

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For the people considering learning Arabic, please also consider my language, Aramaic, since much of Arabic since its Golden Age has been influenced by it. Here is modern calligraphy of it.

>>77813442
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jespersen%27s_Cycle

>>77813763
How mutually intelligible are the various dialects of Aramaic (Assyrian Neo-Aramaic, Chaldean Neo-Aramaic, Turoyo, and Western Neo-Aramaic)?

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>>77813981
I'll speak of the first two first, which I'm definitely most familiar with. Combined, they make up the largest group of speakers, spread around many countries. It's a confusing pair of names as it refers to the denomination of the speakers. It's a preexisting difference in social contact more than linguistics that has been given those names from internal use. That has been mixed with politics and naming issues when the language is simply ('Neo-')Aramaic. "Chaldean" dialects are largely spoken by Catholics (i.e., Chaldeans) while "Assyrian" dialects are often spoken by both Nestorians ("Assyrians") and Catholics. So you see, there are actually many more than two dialects while this is a further, rather arbitrary division probably originating from Chaldean dialect speakers.

Anyway, they are essentially mutually intelligible. But the differences can't be portrayed with simplicity as British, American, Black American, etc. are known. One has to listen to the minute differences in speech from each individual, as the diversity is truly like that. If a speaker has never heard a certain village's dialect it has to be learned and is not fully intelligible. But once learned, it is obvious that it's the same grammar.

Another thing to note is that the dialects have not been directly effected by the denomination, it's possibly even the other way around, in the Churches. Some very ancient villages/towns became 'Chaldean' in the 19th century.

I believe the script in the image is what's used for these dialects - frankly, I haven't learned to read any Aramaic yet, but I will. These dialects are also known as North-Eastern.

>>77815698
>affected

>>77808107
Did you watch Intersection?

>>77787209
Here is a whole song just using Turkish proverbs, idioms.We have waaaaaay too many of them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Vm4dD-a-yA

>>77813032
Hey can you point me to school books you use there in Sweden?Elementary specifically, can be any subject.

>>77806283
second day on /int/. Went to a German thread since that is my target language. Those guys are more intimidating than r9k.

>>77816404
Generals are the generally(:^) horrible to practice a language desu, Latin Americans are generally helpful and the only helpful European one is French, though maybe it changed don't know lmao.

>>77816458
After I genuinely got along with a few of them they welcomed me with open arms. Similar music tastes and actual interest in the language besides learning to be a le edgy Nazi

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Just lost my streak on duolingo of 167 days, funny thing is that I have had bought the streak protector.

Just kill me already lads, I can't continue using a fucking site that doesn't even respect their own rules.

>>77816557
Ignore the meaningless streaks. It's not like you lose your knowledge after your streak ends.

>>77816557
that fucking blows man. what language?

>>77816557
and you're not allowed to use that as an excuse to stop. vamos!

>>77813981
>>77815698
Then there's Turoyo or Suryoyo. Note that the name shows a major difference between it and the last dialect I discussed. For in eastern Aramaic the word would be Turaya, that is Mountainous or Mountainman. This division of pronunciation has been present throughout much of the language's history. Knowing such pronunciation differences might make it somewhat intelligible with the other dialects, but it's still quite different. It's also the 2nd most widely spoken group of dialects aafter the ones I spoke of.

Then there are the rarer dialects, Mandaic and Western Aramaic. I've hardly heard them spoken. These are probably more similar to the Assyrian/Chaldean and Turoyo groups, respectively, and I think they're rather archaic. There is literature from these dialects.

There is also the classical dialects of Syriac which are used outside of everyday speech. Syriac originated from the Turoyo area, if I'm not mistaken, but has long encompassed the eastern pronunciation and the distinction is present in it. Perhaps it's due to iits own influence, causing much of it to be retained as the foundation of the so-called "Neo" Aramaic, and nearly everyone being taught Syriac hymns, but it's quite intelligible. It's like current English and Shakespeare but with three times the time difference because, well, it's Aramaic. It's likely a similar case with the Talmud and Targum.

>>77818313
>>77818589
I know man, but it hurts.
I feel like shit.

>>77818561
English

>>77818844
I don't think you really need duolingo at this point... You write pretty well from what I see.

>>77818995
This.

At this point you'll learn from using it, occasionally look up a word and that's it.

>>77818995
>>77819034
thanks for cheer me up, I really apreaciate it.
I'm still kinda angry about losing the streak tho

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>>77816557
Tengo diaz dias ante de perder uno. Duolingo es dificul.

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>>77819680
Necesito pasar Espanol 2 por mi diploma universitario.

Tassa amuullarneq toqujavoq
I did my SOTD everyone!
it's supposed to say "this thread dies easily"