Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1774

>>68696567
>Go 4 hours without a thread
>Make new threads within 8 seconds of each other
Un-fucking-believable.

I want hentai

>>68696817
/jp/ is that way

>>68696857
/jp/ is very hostile

finally a DJT, I was waiting for hours
I'm about to do Anki again for second time ever

How should I go about it?
Is it worth writing the characters on paper as they appear or is that overkill?

Last time I copy pasted all the characters that showed up and put them on Jisho to see various readings and stroke order etc

t. on day 2 of anki

>>68697730
I wouldn't bother with writing stuff, unless you're really getting confused by conflicting or similar looking words. Also, I'd not bother with stroke order or various readings, if you're doing Core just focus on being able to read the words and remember the pronunciation and meaning.

Here's some stuff I wrote up in the old thread about using Anki. This is how I use it, just a general guide line.
>>68623440

Important to know: forgetting is part of remembering, and to read aloud.

>>68697730
If you want to learn how to write, writing practice is the only way to do that. Although, you don't have to write it out every time, just look up stroke order as you encounter new ones. When reviewing, do a mental stroke order of the kanji or trace it in the air / the table with a finger tip.

Copy pasting characters into jisho is a bit tedious, but if it helps you to remember the characters when initially studying them, I'd say it's not a bad thing to do, if you have the patience for it.

>>68697895
Being able to write is important to me though, and I think it should help with retaining meaning and such.

>>68697928
I thought about doing it mentally or tracing it in the air as you said, but with Kana (which I just finished learning) I pretty much only have the ability to recognize them rather than to write them, as I rushed through it to get to the Kanji, and I sort of regret that.

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Am I on a good track?

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>>68698020
In that case, you're going to have PLENTY of opportunity to practice writing out kana just via studying vocab. Either kana only words, or the readings of kanji compounds etc. there is plenty of time to remember and practice your kana so don't sweat it.

Try to write each character in a same size " square box", no matter how simple or complex the character. This will teach you to try and keep the characters somewhat balanced with each other, and the individual radicals fitting together in balance. Simple grid paper will help a lot with this if you can print it out, otherwise eyeball it on lined paper.
https://incompetech.com/graphpaper/custom/centimeter-black.pdf
Yes, it will be hard to fit some shit in there at first. I recommend to use a very sharp pencil or thin tipped pen (that doesn't bleed after writing for a while or you'll encounter ink blobs).

In general, try to not write things more than 5 times past the intiial "what the hell is this stroke" phase, as your time is better spent actually studying vs making your chicken scratch pretty.

Only a confident hand can produce good looking characters. Good luck.

How do I get that proper Japanese R sound going?
I'm 90% sure I'm doing the R sound correctly, but I want it to sound more clearly like an R without actually saying American English or Swedish trilled R.

I mean most of the time Japanese R sounds overwhelmingly like L to me, but sometimes you can hear the Western R sound taking over in certain words and when said by certain speakers.

>>68698412
I'm using paper with square boxes, though not proper 原稿用紙

アリス) 辛い料理は、好き?
ボブ) ううん、辛くない料理が好きだ。

For what reason does the second sentence use が instead of は?

>>68699203
http://nihonshock.com/2010/02/particles-the-difference-between-wa-and-ga/

>>68699203

because 好き is what is important in the response and he's answering a question :)

ハルー、エブリニャン!
アイ ウイシ アイ ウェア ア バード。

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Counting in Japanese is hard ;-;
八日 is kctier in particular, why isn't it やつか instead?

t. new

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>>68698858
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0sigsDPxFrT
Here, see if this helps.

>>68700046
>common vowel
Consonant, fuck.

>>68700092

teach me to roll my Rs like anime man

>>68700046
I use trilled R as my default Swedish R (it differs from rolled R somewhat) but I do know how to pronounce the Japanese flap R sound, but it sounds 80% like my default Swedish L and only 20% or so like my trilled R, I want it to be more 50/50

My Japanese R sounds like the R in "りゅ" no matter what I do, while I want it to sound more like the R in "桜"
Maybe it's just a psychological block, I don't know, but mine sounds like an L more than an R to me, even if there is a slight element of R to it.

I think that if I position the base of my tongue (while keeping the tip where it is) lower in my mouth it sounds slightly more like how I want it, but not quite.

>>68700176
Give me some sample sentences and I might try, I can only think of "horrrra, boke!"

>>68700223
Indeed, the L sound pushes your tongue down and lowers your jaw, while the R sound is more practical and just sandwiches your tongue in your allocated mouth space.

>>68700223
I'll record myself as soon as I figure out how to disable a piece of shit audio effect I have activated in some mixing software

>>68696817
>>>/h/
>>>/d/

>>68700305
Apologies about the shitty weird mic, volume keeps fluctuating for no reason

Swedish trilled R, sound comes from throat
http://vocaroo.com/i/s12QrRl3QHQh

Swedish L, tongue hits the roof of the mouth
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0XhbsXmsmvA

My "Japanese" flap R sound, the actual R element seems to be coming from throat while the L sound is due to the tongue being positioned similarly to my Swedish L but closer to the upper teeth, mouth opens wider than with Swedish L
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0JbwpZoQ6no

>>68698858
>I mean most of the time Japanese R sounds overwhelmingly like L to me
Do you have some examples?

I can only think of loanwords that are written using L while the katakana version uses the R equivalent.

>>68700735
I meant that Japanese R's sound overwhelmingly like Swedish/English/German L, with only slight traces of Swedish/American English/German typical R sounds.
It seems like some words are pronounced with a more "proper" R sound while others are pronounced with an "L" sound, though both of those "sounds" is the Japanese flap R.

>>68700039
二十日 is even more kctier since 二 isn't read as は and 十 isn't read as つ, at least not according to Jisho.

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So I'm reading a handmade Pixiv doujin and this comes on my screen. Then I spend a good thirty minutes trying to decipher it until I give up.

Any of you have an idea what this is?

>>68700857
>二
>アル
what the fug

>>68701017
Got a larger picture with surrounding text?
⼍
去
个
尓
索
茶
Don't really know what the fuck I'm looking at. Is that even a single kanji or is it two?

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>>68696817
Pantuya just came here
>>68699203
対比の「は」
「は」には
他のものと対比させる意味があります

だから

辛い料理は、好き?
(君は他に好きな料理もあるだろうが、辛い料理も、好きですか?
→辛い料理も食べられる方ですか)
というnuanceがある

辛い料理が、好き?
は、単に゜
辛い料理一般が、好きですか?
というnuance

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>>68701458
Sure.

>>68701458
>>68701490
Sorry about not capturing the text that comes after.

Here's the full line with the missing kanji labeled "_"

そんなに。。。___れたら気持ちよくなっちゃう

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>try to torrent manga
>no seeds

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>>68701528
そんなに
暴れたら
気持ちよくなっちゃう

>>68701458
Given the angle it could be two kanji. Or this guy could have bad penmanship. But he's never put two kanji that close before like that.

>>68701639
スゲー! ありがと!

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Hey DJT how's it going?

How did you faggots set up your mining decks?
What's your card layout and what infos are you importing?

I just set up mine and pretty much copied the core layout and added a button for quick jisho lookup.

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>>68701798
That's how it looks, rather lame to be honest.

Is there a way to get example sentences per button press as well?

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>>68700709
https://my.mixtape.moe/rvfbwy.webm
Does this help? I'm out of ideas.

どうしてDJTはINTにいるの
いなかった間に、なに起こったか

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>>68701798
>How did you faggots set up your mining decks?

i'm truly setting myself up for disaster

[spoiler]FUCKING BRING IT[/spoiler]

>>68702144
こちらで>>68700707
話そう

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>>68701798
I like EPWING, but sometimes EDICT is better (usually for idioms or set phrases). I dumped EPWING2Anki (which gives me this layout) since it would sometimes import the wrong word.

When I do use Rikai's auto-import, I usually import audio and the sentence I found it in as well.

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>>68701892
Looks fine to me.
A mining deck is the only kind of deck I've ever used. I even write the English parts myself even though I almost never look at that part of the card.

>>68701798
>added a button for quick jisho lookup.
how

>>68702128
My Swedish trill sound comes from the throat, but it's basically just blowing air out from my throat and turning it into an R somehow.

I think the tip of my tongue goes to the roof of my mouth and then air passes from the throat out through the mouth, creating the R sound.

Here's what it sounds like if I close my teeth and just "blow" an R sound, the tongue functions in the same way as when I say R in normal conversation.
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1CA2VHZ96Wb

Kind of weird now that I think about it, not really sure if it's actually a trilled R or if it's something more unusual.

I guess I'll just keep trying until I hear myself say the proper "R" that I'm looking for, but the flap R I have right now is fine for now anyway.

>>68702240
そうか
あのスレにはもういる

>>68702281
言葉を一つだけでカードしなかった方がいいよ
文章はもっとうまく効く

It's better to not make cards with a single word.
Sentences work better.

My job's annual Christmas party is tonight, and I really don't want to go. But everyone is pressuring me to go.

I think I'll just go have a few beers and then go home.

>>68702527
Wouldn't I start remembering the sentence instead of the word, though?

>>68702281
>When I do use Rikai's auto-import, I usually import audio and the sentence I found it in as well.
Do you add the sentence manually?

>>68702589
No, you'll remember words and sentences and grammar.
Also words are better to be learned in context because you cannot substitute english words with Japanese's ones and create a sentence.

>>68702324
>how
You know where you can change the card layout and stuff?

put this on the back


<div style="position:fixed; bottom:6px;right:8px;font-size:12px"><span id="kanji" style="padding-right:10px;"></span><a href="http://jisho.org/search/{{Vocabulary-Kanji}}">Jisho</a></div>
<script>
var chars = '{{Vocabulary-Kanji}}';
var str = '';

for (var i = 0; i < chars.length; i++) {
if (/[\u4e00-\u9faf\u3400-\u4dbf]/.test(chars.charAt(i))) {
str = str.concat('<a href="https://hochanh.github.io/rtk/'+ chars.charAt(i) +'/index.html">' + chars.charAt(i) + '</a>&nbsp;');
}
}

document.getElementById('kanji').innerHTML = str;
I hope it works for you, cause I played around with my settings multiple times so no guarantee it'll work for you.

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>>68702677
Nah it does it automatically. Occasionally it doesn't work very well though.

>>68702724
Perhaps, how would I even set up the card like that though? Has anyone ever actually successfully mined and learned this way?

>>68702816
I am doing it this way.
Wait a sec and I'll post my card layout

>>68702324
I think this is the type of R I say
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_alveolar_trill

>>68702759
Danke

>>68702816

Front

<br>
<div id="Esempio">
<p class="Esempio" >
{{Esempio}}
</p>
</div>

<div id="TraduzioneParola">
<p class="TraduzioneParola" >
{{hint:Definizione}}
</p>
</div>

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>>68702883

Style

.card {
font-family: arial;
font-size: 25px;
text-align:center ;
color: white;
background-color: black;
}

.JJ {
font-size:25.0px;
font-family:"Arial",sans-serif ;
text-align:center ;
color: black;
background-color: white;
}

.ParolaFronte {
font-family:"Arial",sans-serif ;
font-size: 90px;
text-align:center ;
color: white;
background-color: black;
}

.TraduzioneParola {
font-family:"Arial",sans-serif ;
font-size: 30px;
text-align:center ;
color: black;
background-color: white;
}

.Esempio {
font-family:"Arial",sans-serif ;
font-size: 25px;
text-align:center ;
color: white;
background-color: black;
}

.RuoloG {
font-family:"Arial",sans-serif ;
font-size: 25px;
text-align:center ;
color: black;
background-color: white;
}

ruby rt { visibility: hidden; } ruby:hover rt { visibility: visible; }

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>>68702899

<div id="Esempio">
<p class="Esempio" >
{{Esempio}}
</p>
</div>

<div id="TraduzioneParola">
<p class="TraduzioneParola" >
{{hint:Context}}
</p>
</div>
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>>68702910

Esempio=Example (The sentence)
TraduzioneParola=Word translation (I input the Japanese definition now)

Context=(To show the complete paragraph where I found the sentence)

>>68702527
It's better to not make cards with a single sentence.
Chapters work better.

>>68702992
It's better to not make cards with just a single chapter
Books work better

>>68702992

I have a hint button which shows the whole context if needed.
I think that whole chapters are too much.

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>>68702877
>I think this is the type of R I say
AH, now we're talking! Here, I think I've got the solution for you, then:
http://vocaroo.com/i/s197lF2LTgyP

>>68703097
I have a hint button which shows the whole context if needed.
I think that whole books are too much.

>>68702883
>>68702899
>>68702910
I'll give it a shot. At the very least it will make Anki interesting for awhile. Thanks

>>68703291
No problem.
It works best with a branching method for Japanese definitions though.
If you want to know what's that I can tell you my method.
Since all the words are connected and repeated many times they strenghten each other.

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>>68701798

>>68701892
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/2413435972

Not a button press, but you find this useful.

>>68703349
How do you mine words, though?

Is there an existing deck with phrases going from ez to hard?

>>68703407
I just read native material.
Used to read VN, after that LN, now reading natives' explanation of は が in Japanese since は is my weakness.
When I find a sentence (not a word that I do not know) which is written in an unusual way (at least for me) I add it to my deck.

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>>68701798
It looks a little redundant with a short sentence like this, sometimes I put 4+ sentences on the front for context (I remember which book and when it was from)

>>68703174
Thanks but if I just do a voiced alveolar trill then it becomes a pure R sound rather than an L sound, at least to my ears.
See >>68700709 The "Swedish trilled R" as I called it is how I usually speak, and that is the voiced alveolar trill, though it originates in the throat like the voiceless alveolar trill which I mentioned aswell.
I'm trying to do a flap R which is quite different, as it has strong elements of an L sound in it,

Anyway this helped me figure out what I'm looking for, or the correct terminology to describe it anyway.

The standard Japanese "R" is apparently a Alveolar lateral flap R, which to my ears manifests itself as being largely an L sound, the R I'm looking to do is a Japanese "aggressive" R sound which to me actually sounds like an R and which is called a Postalveolar trill (Portugese uses a "regular" alveolar trill)
Though Wikipedia says this
>Some languages that are described as having a lateral flap, such as Japanese, actually have a flap that is indeterminate with respect to centrality, and may surface as either central or lateral, either in free variation or allophonically depending on surrounding vowels and consonants.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dental,_alveolar_and_postalveolar_lateral_flaps
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dental,_alveolar_and_postalveolar_flaps

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>>68701490
That handwriting is worse than mine but at least you found out in the end.

>>68701605
作りましょう
作りましょう
さてさて何が
できるなか
Eternally etched into my brain. What manga are you trying to download?

>>68704449
>What manga are you trying to download?
すみっこの空さん

Here is a special video to /DJT/ from Namasensei himself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5k_LDXa3lPk

>>68704106
Yeah, you might be overthinking, even in Anki half of the sample voices use a very quick tap, with the other half doing a full trill.

It's the same with G, that ranges from a normal G to the NG glottal sound.

>>68703174
You sound like a cat purring. God damn, wish I could do that.

>>68704493
Can you find a torrent for volumes 7 or 8?
Also, why not try direct downloading the rips? It looks really cute so that's what I'm going at the moment. Slow as shit downloads but better than dead torrents.

kobawa motherfuckers

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>>68704756
I didn't see anything for 7 or 8, and the only direct downloads I found for it used Rapidgator and required a premium account.
If you find a good direct download, let me know.

But yeah, its great. I read the available translated chapters a long time ago.

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>>68704791
>kobawa

>>68698858
>>68704106
I think of Japanese R more like a fusion of English R, L and D. When I try to produce a らりるれろ mora in isolation, the blade of my tongue starts out pressed against the edge of the alveolar ridge before I ever start expelling air, and then pushes off from the roof of my mouth like it would for a plosive T or D just as the airflow begins and my mouth shape shifts into the vowel. When I produce らりるれろ inside of a larger word, the "push off" happens immediately after my tongue makes contact with the roof of my mouth, with only a bare minimum of obstruction of the airway, which I guess is what makes it a "tap."

http://vocaroo.com/i/s0ttuLhkkeGm

The way I make Japanese R's using my English mouth might not be useful to you and your Swedish mouth, but I like to try to be helpful.

Everybody can roast my pronunciation and make me feel like shit for trying if they would like

>>68704833
http://pastebin.com/gtBrJjTa
These are the two I'm currently downloading from. In around 35 minutes I'll know if they were legit or not.

>>68704847
Think he's mimicking Namasensei, man.

>>68704847
I kow
It seems that the oe key that is left to the M key i my qwerty keyboard is ot workig

>3181 total unique kanji
>>68704942
I don't know about your pronunciation but I think thinking of it as like a "d" or "t" is likely to make it much more plosive than it actually should be. Try to do it soft like an "L"

If you guys want to practice your japanese listening skills, I think this song is a very good choice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXXfEHq2EQU

Plenty of this song is sung in a traditional Kyoto-style accent so prepare your ears accordingly,

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send help

>>68705137
>30 new words a day

people actually do this? you aren't learning Japanese that way

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What's harder, native English speakers pronouncing らりるれろ or native Japanese speakers pronouncing the "L" sounds?
http://mysuki.jp/pronunciation-rl-110

>>68705137
What do your cards look like? recognition vocab cards with a word on the front and reading/definition on the back would take me probably half and hour or so to review that many but it always feels a lot longer during.

>>68705014
Do people in Kyoto actually wear kitsune masks, that's creepy af

>>68705273
what. Kitsune has nothing to do with kyoto and is a japan-in-general thing

what is exclusive to kyoto culture is the Geisha, some bamboo forests, Inari, and of course that giant fucking mountain that takes 2 hours to climb

oh and there's a castle. gotta visit the castle

>>68705254
Yeah it's recognition. It takes about 35 mins to do the reviews, plus some extra for the new cards. But yeah it feels like it takes a lot longer

>>68705236
Don't worry my average is higher 30 is just what I have left over from yesterday's mined words.

>>68705404
monkey park > bamboo forest

The bamboo "forest" is like a single block

>>68705014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EtAj4ilezU

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Help me with translation this shit.
I'm confused

>>68705851
>I'm confused
So explain what you're confused about. It's not really a learning experience otherwise.

>>68705851
You're gonna do that weird ass disguise to nab someone? It just makes you stand out even more.

>>68705926
I'm just tired, okay, what "つて" meaning?

>>68705851
I mean, if you're going to kidnap someone, wouldn't wearing such an odd disguise only make you stand out?

>>68705993
That is a small っ

>>68705993
って

>>68705993
If you do not know what that is, you should still be reading tyler's grammar guide.

>>68705928
>>68706061
Providing someone with a straight up "translation" when they haven't shown what their actual problems are is really useless to everyone involved.

>>68706102
Lol, understood

>>68706128
You're both wrong and autistic.

>>68706263
Sure thing bro.
Keep stroking your ego while spoonfeeding lazy retards. Makes for a great learning thread.

>>68706312
Go back to /jp/

>>68706128
It can make things suddenly click sometimes, if they see a meaning they weren't even considering to begin with. You're the one stroking your ego by talking down to everyone.

>>68706312
Reading a translation can be helpful, particularly if you go back to the original text and reread it with the translation in mind and try to make your reading fit the translated meaning.
It becomes a problem when you sink into the translation to the point where you stop trying to figure things out for yourself, but this is probably not the case for a guy asking one question on /djt/.

Question: Would anyone want to make a DJT skype group? It might help keep us motivated.

Everyone will be an admin. Post skype names. Will create group if at least 5 replies

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Found this
http://www.ulb.ac.be/philo/phonolab/r-atics2/abstracts%20pdf/Labrune.pdf

>>68706826
Am I allowed to ERP there?

>>68706865
What kind of erp are we talking about? ERP refers to Educational Role-Playing, yes?

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>>68705254
>日本語の「ラ行」
So you stick your tongue inside of a portal where L forms itself?

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>>68706950
>Educational Role-Playing

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDphYHDak6I
Steve knocks it out of the park once again

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What is ベ?

>>68707231
word used at sentence-end (like a particle) to indicate speculation, volition or invitation Kantou dialect, Touhoku dialect

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>>68707231
well gee now that's an interesting question

>>68706826
Let's try this differently so you don't have to post your skypename on 4chan

send a friend request to noroikisaragi . I already have one request from someone, so we just need four more to make the group.

>>68707296
do people even still use skype

>>68707288
Why sentence-end particle in middle of sentence? What this mean?

>what does (x sentence particle used in manga or anime speak) mean?

Nothing. It means absolutely nothing.

>>68707334
Sentence structure is inverted.
あんた達、どうしたべ?

>>68707334
>middle of sentence
Are you actually retarded?

>>68707334
That's not the middle of the sentence. It's the end, but said first.
For example: なにそれ is actually "それは何ですか" (basically) but the order is reversed.

>>68707371
Thank

一つ は Hitotsuです
でも
一か は ついたち

what the fuck japan. these aren't even conjugations anymore. they have a word for "the number one", "one (thing)", "one (day)" and they don't even sound similar to eachother

>>68707325
Skype is gay. Discord is the shit rn.

>>68707691
I'm also learning numbers right now
It's kctier, quite a few of them don't even match the readings listed on Jisho
t. started Anki last night

Also kek at the voice for the sentence accompanying 七日

>>68707747
That's what I be sayin'

>>68707691
One, First, Primary, Single
Wtf English??

>>68707691
ついたち is a truly irregular reading, like はつか for 二十日.
But 一日 can also be いちにち if you're talking about "one day" rather than "the first day of the month," which is a perfectly logical reading.

>>68707909
Also "A" and "An"

>>68707912
ついたち has an interesting etymology
>http://benesse.jp/kyouiku/200711/20071120-50.html
>それは、「一日」は「月立(つきた)ち」の音便化した読み方であり、もともとは「朔」と書くのです。つまりは当て字なのです

>金曜日は私の休日です。
>金曜日が私の休日です。

Which is better?

>>68708061
Second if you are talking about when you are free, first if you are talking about Friday in general.

>これはかなり金
>かね
>がかかった。
korewakakakakakakakaka

Okay i'm up to verbs in Tae Kim, someone please correct my nip if it's wrong.

よみ:おい、みどりさん。
みどり: はい
よみ:みって。
みどり:どこ?
よみ:あれ、あの学校。
みどり:何が学校ですか?
よみ:あれは諸学校
みどり:なるほど。。でも、なぜがみつです?
よみ:えと。。。わかりまsん。
みどり:お前。。。さようなら。

これはキノの旅だよ。

And dropped.

>>68708791
This conversation makes no sense. What message were you even trying to convey here?

>>68708791
no idea what the fuck you're trying to say with any of that
You should be listening and reading, not trying to produce stuff yourself.

>>68708965
damn. so i really don't understand "ga" then.

fuck me. guess i need to redo all of tae kim's lessons before i can progress past verbs.

>>68709051
Not just "ga", most of that sentence structure is completely wrong.

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>/a/ usually recommends Non Non Biyori manga as the most entry level Jap reading stuff ever
>Been doing a fair bit of Anki recently so decide I'll give it a whirl
>Can't even read the majority of shit said on the first page

Was it the dumbest thing in the world to try read without knowing shit about grammar?
Don't worry, that was rhetorical, I'm fully aware that I'm a stupid baka.

>>68709429
>Was it the dumbest thing in the world to try read without knowing shit about grammar?
You haven't read Tae Kim yet?

>>68709429
>/a/ usually recommends Non Non Biyori manga as the most entry level Jap reading stuff ever
>most entry level jap reading stuff
>jap reading stuff
Reminder that manga isn't reading and you are deluding yourself if you think so.

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>>68709565
Nope. I keep wanting to read a bit of it but then getting tired because I have to deal with pic related giving me this amount of bullshit to learn/relearn each day.
It's the whole "why do today what I can do tomorrow" kind of thing, except I'm stuck in a permanent loop with that mindset unfortunately.
Seriously is it normal for it to be giving me so many words already? Granted most of them are words I've done before but still. Holy fuck.


>>68709620
Reading is reading.
Besides, jokes on you, the main reason I'm learning is for video games and manga and what not, I'm not looking to live in Japan or anything so I don't need to strive to be absolutely top tier at the language.

>>68709806
I'd say grammar is more important than vocab right now since you can't read yet. Consider lowering the amount of new cards while you read Tae Kim.

>>68696567
Kino is a girl.
I didn't know it first.

Gay guy here

Any japanese gay people want to do voice with me?

Im muscular hot and foreign and hairy.

>>68709806
You need to do grammar. It's far more important at this stage to do it. Tae Kim doesn't even take long at all, maybe 20 or 30 minutes to do a section if you're being really thorough. This guy's suggestion is good >>68709872.

>>68709983
女だと知る以前、そいつとセックスしたかった?

>>68709806
I needed 6k words before reading basic stuff with confidence in my vocabulary.
But I've only read half of Tae Kim, so there's that.

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>>68710181
何なんだ、この口調

>>68709872
>>68710054
This is why I love posting here, you guys always make me see the light since I'm too stubborn otherwise to just do the obvious thing and lower the daily new card count.
Should I stop being a lazy cunt, set it to 10 and read a chapter of Tae Kim a day to compliment it?

>>68710267
Fuck. I'm nowhere near that level yet.
Goddamn it I'm so impatient, I wanna fucking read shit already.

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>>68710386
自由な社会に住んでいるので、 あいつが意見を言ってもいいだろ?

>>68710530
>Should I stop being a lazy cunt, set it to 10 and read a chapter of Tae Kim a day to compliment it?
A single chapter is pretty small, you can get through a couple in a few minutes.

Is Genki a meme?
I don't like Tae Kim since it doesn't have any exercises.

Can anyone tell me how to delete/suspend all notes of one type with Ankidroid? I can't figure out how to do it without manually selecting them all in card browser.

>>68706826
Why not a discord server instead? Same features for the most part, but you don't have to give an ID to be invited, you could just freely join.

>>68710712
Genki is fine. Quite a few of the exercises are group exercises, though.

>>68710531
おかまが殺されるべきだというは意見だけど、「faggot cunt go kill yourself」というは悪口しかない

>>68710935
Isn't there already a discord server for DJT that people don't talk about?

>>68710725
You don't. Card management is best left to the desktop version.

>姉さんたらあいかわらずのろいんだから
たら and から in one sentence, as it translated?

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ああああああ

>Unseen cards: 6,300
>20~30 words a day

this is going to be a long year

>>68711044
No idea, I'm not part of it. Regardless, would be nice to make a new one if people are interested.

>>68711102
>(2) (usu. ったら) (typically after someone's name) indicates exasperation;
starting to get slightly annoyed by you, Vlad

>>68711162
Oh, i need escape to sleep, sorry.

>>68711102
>姉さん たら あいかわらず のろいん だから

>>68711044
If you're thinking of the rumored IRC that was just a meme

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>skype
>discord
Why don't we just make an IRC channel called #l/int/guage

So as soon as one guy tries to make a group, everyone wants to make one on every platform available? Geez, you bakas.

>>68711120
300 days for 6k words at 20 words per day. Less than a year! This was the magic number that sold me into learning Japanese in December of 2015.
I am really proud of myself now and haven't missed a day in more than 8 months. Keep pushing.

I don't get why people feel they need grammar to be able to read?

>>68711636
Yes, you don't get why.

>>68711636
why don't I get grammar need read able to be?

>>68711664
If your post was supposed to have any kind of point, it was not conveyed.

>>68711689
Typing like a retard =/= not being able to read text with correct grammar while knowing the words used in the text and having context.

>>68711737
Typing like a retard = not using a semblance of proper grammar.

Not knowing a semblance of proper grammar = you are retarded when it comes to reading.

If you looked at
>why don't I get grammar need read able to be?
for long enough you might be able to glean meaning out of it, OR you could just learn the proper order of phrases (aka grammar) and make the process 50x easier in the first place.

Is there any way to find anime that have japanese subtitles to them? I've tried to practice listening by watching it raw but they just talk too fast for me to be able to make out the words.

>>68711927
http://kitsunekko.net/dirlist.php?dir=subtitles%2Fjapanese%2F

is there any newer anime worth watching left? something that can be measured to stuff like LoGH, DtB, Spice and Wolf, Berserk etc...

I feel like I've seen every good anime and at least tried watching stuff that other people consider good, but didn't fit my taste

>>68711737
Of course the anti-grammar-advocating guy wouldn't know how questions and answers work.

>>68712218
>is there any newer anime worth watching
nah, not this year at least

>>68712218
What are you interested in? Almost all of my favorites have been post 2010.
From your examples, have you seen the new Yamato remake?

>>68712218
Are you seriously comparing LOGH with Berserk?

That way I can't really recommend anything. What is your definition of newer, by the way? This year, this decade? Shirobako, Jinrui wa Suitaishimashita, Natsume Yuujinchou, and JoJo if you're into some humor.

>>68712292
I dislike most Shounen stuff like SnK or I'm just not overly interested, for example I started Hunter x Hunter a while ago and I can see it's appeal but it's just not my type of genre
>Almost all of my favorites have been post 2010.
like what?

>have you seen the new Yamato remake?
I watched a few episodes but couldn't quite get into it

dumb weeb cunts off my board

>>68712425
>I dislike most Shounen stuff like SnK or I'm just not overly interested
But what do you like? What genres?
>like what?
Probably nothing you are interested in.
https://myanimelist.net/profile/Phosphorous

>>68712457
米どの英語でご注文したら自信が伝えられない、しょうがない!出て来いの気分がない!もっともっと頑張ってね。

>>68712422
>Shirobako
shiiieeet I totally forgot this one I even watched the first 2 episodes
ありがとう先輩

>>68712560
forget it, let us rather talk about japanese again, but thanks

>>68712258
It's common in informal English to make a declarative statement while implicitly asking for clarification, sometimes by changing the intonation at the end of the phrase to make it sound like a question. While it is not standard grammar to put a question mark at the end of a declarative sentence, it is commonly understood in informal writing (and 4chan is informal).

An example that is so common it might even be correct grammar at this point is "He's still there?" instead of "Is he still there?". Writing "He's still there." without a question mark would look strange and not convey the intonation.

I understood your post now at least.

日曜日、映画館でスターウォーズを観に行くつもり、楽しみしている

誰かもう観たことある?

>>68703359
Will try it thank you anon.

>>68713159
Your example is a "yes or no" question, and I replied to your question with a yes. See my point?

What you're getting yourself into is uptalk, a cancer spreading to all English dialects ever since vloggers became role models for children and teenagers. And for some reason deeply connected with liberals, just like how having the lisp usually indicates someone is gay.
Even Hillary made heavy use of it.

Need some help with the subject for "脈動を繰り返し" in this sentence:

>何度も脈動を繰り返しながら、ラナの精液がピクシーの胎内に注ぎ込まれる。

Is 「脈動を繰り返し」 referring to her ちんちん or her 心臓?

>>68711636
Maybe you'll understand by your second page of Yotsuba.

>>68711636
Have you ever sit the JLPT exam?

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>>68713976
I think it refers to his/her? chinchin

that's very lewd btw

>>68711078
So, if I understand this correctly: just set up the online component, sync to online, sync to desktop, card management, then sync back? Simple as that?

First time doing anki. する popped up, meaning "do or make". However, the example sentece seems to have it conjugated so I can find it. What should I do? I havent started with grammar yet btw

>>68714487
Yes, I highly recommend keeping both snyched anyway in case your phone breaks or something

>>68714577
>so I can find it

meant "so I cant understand it"

>>68714577
bruh don't worry about suru, you see it so many times when you read that you'll get used to the conjugations quickly

>>68714250
Thanks mate!

>>68714674
should i not worry about verbs in general then? because it will be a long time before i can start reading

>>68714756
No and I'll tell you why.

suru is an exception to the rule

Most verbs you'll learn will be written with kanji, this means when you learned the kanji, you'll probably recognize the verb and know what it means.

Just Keep doing your reps, in my opinion knowing a few words makes learning grammar (especially when using tae kim) a lot easier.

>>68714642
Good idea. Thanks.

>>68713739
It was incorrect to answer with "yes" because it was not a question. It was a declarative statement with an implied request for clarification, and the intonation of that statement was informally marked with a question mark.
A person familiar with English understands that that statement is asking for clarification, and is not a "yes or no" question.

It's not uptalk. Uptalk is when the intonation is raised regularly for no reason. Yes it makes phrases sound like questions, but it's not the same thing because of the frequency and intention (or lack thereof). It's not the same as raising the intonation on one specific phrase, where the intonation serves a purpose, such as differentiating the meaning of "He's still there" and "He's still there?".

I'm explaining this in case this is genuinely something you don't know due to being Br, hope that is the case.

>>68715163
thank you

>>68713976
>Is 「脈動を繰り返し」 referring to her ちんちん or her 心臓?
Why wouldn't it be the 精液 marked with が in the next clause?

>何度も脈動を繰り返しながら、ラナの精液がピクシーの胎内に注ぎ込まれる。
With a number of repeated pulsations, Rana's semen is poured into the pixie's womb

I also noticed there is no 十つ ten (things). why is this?

>>68715467
Yeah dunno why they even bothered with counting when it's incomplete.
I personally said fuck it and suspended all cards.

http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/numbers
for more infos.

>>68715400
Because semen doesn't have any artery and can't "pulsate".

>>68715400
because sperm doesn't pulsate but the dick

>>68714034
I can read Yotsuba with zero problems aside from not knowing some words, and I haven't learned grammar aside from the difference between は and が. Which is why I asked the question in the first place.
It was a genuine question from curiosity.

>>68715467
Googling it, it surprisingly looks like it's just とう, without a つ. And 十一つ is とうあまりひとつ.
>http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1499789179
Here's a full list.
>http://www.sf.airnet.ne.jp/~ts/language/number/ancient_japanesej.html
None of these are used much, or at all, so you don't have to bother learning them.

>>68713159
"He's still there?" Is just a normal question, but if that was the form you used then you were asking someone else to give information about your own opinion, which is awkward at best and downright retarded at worst.

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This
is
so
fucking
infuriating

I cannot deal with this piece of shit nonsensical grammar system for much longer. These dumb as fuck particles have absolutely no coherency to them what so ever.
I read through the chapter, think "okay I understand", and then I get to the fucking exercises and get 90% of the answers wrong.

I'd rather grind kanji in Anki some more than deal with this cryptic bullshit.

>>68715725
>>68715730
It can come out in pulsations, and the semen pulsating is much more logical than thinking it might refer to her heart, but whatever

>>68716501
What exercises? Please tell me you're not doing genki

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>>68716629
The Tae Kim ones.
More specifically the very first three particles he actually teaches, は、も、が.

In this sentence

>クラスは いつ あるんですか。

What purpose does the ん in あるん serve?

>>68716785
の

>>68716785
aru and explanatory no

>>68716629
whats wrong with genki?

>>68716812
>>68716877

Thanks

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Fuck this shit.
I'm going to pretend that grammar doesn't exist, and then, after a year of grinding Anki, when I've reached the point in which I've put far too much effort into this shit to be able to back out, then, and only then will I deal with this retarded as fuck grammar system.
Utter horse shit. Fuck particles, fuck grammar.

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>>68717095

You'll give up in a year too

>tfw you have started to learn hiragana a few days ago and you feel a rush everytime you are able to recognize a sign

When will i this joy change into despair over stagnating progress ?

>>68717095
Might aswell spend your time watching anime so you don't have to learn the grammar rules at all

>>68717020
It's mainly geared towards making you able to say basic day to day phrases without offending anybody. That's fine if you're about to go on holiday, but if your plan is to learn by reading and consuming native content then it's much better to use a resource which focuses on comprehension, and for this you will need a much broader scope with perhaps less intense drilling (since real world encounters can be your drill)

>>68717192
Yes, but if you stick with it you'll find the same joy in recognizing words, it just takes more time.

>>68717305
what do you mean by drill?

>>68717095
>he's going to memorize thousands of words with absolutely no context and without being able to use them in any way
Have fun giving up soon

>>68717364
Practicing something over and over until you can do it without thinking

>>68717192
It's better if you don't know, just keep going it'll get better eventually.

>>68717388
i see, thanks a lot

>>68716744
は/が difference is tricky, yeah. Also note that it's okay to get exercises wrong! For tae kims exercises I wrote them all down PnP and marked and corrected them.
Pen and paper helped a lot when learning, at least for me.

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>when you've had this image for years before you learned Japanese and suddenly realize you can read it
It was all worth it in the end after all

>>68717764
that looks complex

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>>68717380
>>68717176
I know a ton of people who have learned Japanese this way.
>Grind out Anki until Core6k is done
>Have enough vocabulary under your belt at this point
>Finish up by dealing with the bullshit that is grammar.

The grammar isn't consistent. I'm not going to waste my time with it any more right now when all I do is read through the chapter, think I've got it down, but then fail every single question on the subject, clearly indicating that I didn't actually understand shit.
Grammar is utter bollocks.


>>68717205
I've got a ton downloaded actually.
I will eventually learn grammar though, but there's no point doing it right now when it's clearly not working out.

>>68717582
I did the same thing but in notepad. I don't mind using PnP but I don't know any Kanji stroke order so that alone discourages me from going the PnP route for that specifically.

>>68717790
>41000円
And expensive

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色々なするべきのものがあるので, 寝たくないよ
寝たら明日になる

>>68715233
Poor soul, I hope you'll someday realize what you're doing?

>>68717856
i mean the text, but yeah thats expensive

>>68717818

How will that change just cause you have a larger vocabulary though

>>68717095
>>68717176
Worked for me, I recommend this path if you can deal with being an Ankidrone.

>>68717818
I can't wait to answer retarded beginner grammar questions on sentences with hyogai kanji

>>68718042
It won't, the point is I'll have no other option at the end but to deal with the bullshit that is grammar.
Quitting will obviously not be an option, you'd have to be retarded to grind so much Anki shit then after a year be like "Welp, I know all this shit but grammar is too hard so I'll just quit now".

I can't even figure out when to use は、も、and が, there's literally no point in me wasting my time with grammar if that's the case, I'm sure there's many more particles which are even harder, since I doubt this guy would immediately throw you in with the 3 hardest particles right off the bat.

>>68718214
>when to use は、も、and が
being able to figure out what a sentence that uses one of them means and being able to use them in producing natural-sounding speech are totally different things

>>68718214
>since I doubt this guy would immediately throw you in with the 3 hardest particles right off the bat.

Uh, well, は and が have entire books dedicated to them, dunno about も though

I would try the taekim stuff but my kanji is basically non existent still

>>68718214
>Quitting will obviously not be an option, you'd have to be retarded to grind so much Anki shit then after a year be like "Welp, I know all this shit but grammar is too hard so I'll just quit now".
It's going to be so funny when this happens.

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>風呂 is bath
Usually jukugo have at least one kanji that's vaguely related. But wind/method and ...spine?
I know I shouldn't be this shocked, but am I missing something?

>>68718037
Ah. The main headline isn't complex at all, and the main text is pretty blurry and I don't want to bother with it.
>「これなら、夜中、熊に襲われても立ち上がって逃げられる」と言うんだけど、そんなスピード出せるんだろうか
The text is just as hilarious as the picture. Truly worth learning Japanese for.

>>68718214
I don't know what goals you have, but personally I rather learn in an inefficient but fun way

forcing yourself through shit just to be able to force yourself through even more doesn't sound like a good plan to me

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>>68718420
Grinding Kanji is somehow more fun than dealing with this grammar shit, probably because of how aggravating it is to not understand what the fuck these particles are trying to convey.

>>68718331
も is admittedly not as 'for now' because it seems to be just a replacement for "also" from the small bit I've gathered. I just threw it in with the other two because it's a part of the same lessons as them. は and が however can go fuck themselves. I don't know shit about what they're all about.

>>68718290
I get what you're saying. Technically I don't plan on writing all that much in Japanese myself, so just understanding what it means when reading it should be enough, but I feel that if I can't figure out where to use them myself then I'm not really fully understanding it anyway.

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俺の黒人兄弟はどこ, 一人ぼっちにしないでくれ

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>>68718907
I think writing shit down is an important step for internalizing what you learn and get an actual feeling for it and what "feels" right

I've made it a goal to write down all words from some dictionary that I bought, here's a picture of my autism

>>68718907
>I don't know shit about what they're all about.

Study grammatical topic and subject

>>68718907
That "full" understanding you crave so much will only come through reading/hearing them over and over again and figuring out what the person is trying to say in each specific instance.

At first it might be slow and agonizing, like pulling teeth, but if learning a new language as an adult was easy everyone would be a polyglot. It starts out with "okay, I guess I can see what that's supposed to mean," interspersed with a few "aha!" moments, and then slowly grows easier and more natural-feeling, until it gets to the point where は is は and が is が and you don't even think about comparing and contrasting them because they're two separate particles. Then you have that moment where you read a sentence in Japanese and understand it in Japanese without any translating whatsoever, and you get addicted.

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>>68718907
Japanese vocab isn't hard; it's just time consuming. Yes, that includes kanji.

Learning easy things is obviously easier on you, making the process more enjoyable. You make progress and feel good about it and yourself.

Learning harder things is uncomfortable, and you often have to really push yourself to do it. It's fuzzy and indirect and vague. Sometimes it's unclear if you're even making progress despite the immense effort you're putting in, it feels out of proportion and is thus frustrating. Some people react to being wrong by getting angry and annoyed - I would know, as I'm one of them.

However, we only TRULY get better at skills when we are forced to really struggle to get through. Skills that force us to go through this uncomfortable, really pushing it feeling are usually skills that are valuable in the end, as many are unwilling to even attempt to start learning them.

Yes it can seem inconsistent and bullshit, but it's still the easiest path to understanding. Grammar rules were written after the fact, weren't they? Yet, they summarize the patterns you would otherwise spend a LONGASS amount of time trying to absorb via input.

Burying your head in the sand of learning vocabulary isn't going to make it go away, it's procrastination.

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>>68718410
The original meaning of 風呂 is a steam bath.
Therefore 風 is used
>>68718933
ぱんちゅの中
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Whats the best dojg deck?

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>>68719478
>ぱんちゅの中
意味は

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>>68719079
I do write stuff down sometimes but that's usually reserved for things that just aren't sticking at all the regular way I try to remember things.

>>68719196
>>68719382
Alright fine fine, I get it. I'll do my shitty grammar then.
See, these threads are useful. I moan about stuff I don't want to deal with and then I get a pep talk or two which motivates me to continue.

Nice one.

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やっぱり、本当に疲れている、歯磨きをせずにベッドに飛び込もうかな


おやすみなさい

>>68720279
二度と来んな

>>68719966
それ、いい画像だね
もっとそれみたいな画像をポストしてくれ

>>68720279
おふろはいって

はみがきしてからねよ

ぱじゃまあっためておくから

http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv285043720
S-So fast!

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>>68722240
Shit I blew my cover

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>>68722454
>implying your cover wasn't blown the moment you commented

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>>68722582
Shit I didn't know it showed that

>>68722240
The comments are more interesting than the game anyway.

>できるならできる
If you can, then you can.

>できればできる
You can, if you can.

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>tfw when to dumb to read the masterpieces of Japanese literature

>tfw when to intelligent to enjoy light novels, VNs, video games, other plebeian trash

are there any Japanese kino that aren't especially difficult to understand?

I would grade my understanding of grammar around N2, but I'm familiar with kanji and have to problem figuring out what new words mean

>>68723057
N2 is around 中学校 level. What do you expect?

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>see card first time, know what it is so I hit easy
>see card 4 days later, hit easy again
>see card 1 month later hit easy
>see card 3 months later hit easy
>see card around 6 months later and completely forget what the card means and every time I see it I can never remember
できない

>>68723200
When I was in junior high school there were still some ok books. I'm sure they exist in Japanese too. That's what I'm asking for.

Right now I'm just reading history books and wikipedia.

>>68723406
ideally, you would see the word from the card IRL in the mean time. You need to supplement anki with reading material.

alternatively, hit "hard" even when it's easy

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>>68723057
gotchu senpai

I'm reading Axanael, and my comprehension is probably about 50%. Even when I do feel like I understand a sentence, I can't really be sure I'm not just making the meaning up myself. Is this to be expected for a beginner-intermediate reader, or am I doing something fundamentally wrong? I've read Tae Kim probably twice over and JTMW, and I understand the concepts in a vaccuum, and I can even read simple example sentences and check my comprehension with the translations, but when I read an actual sentence it's extremely difficult.
Basically, is there some other resource I should be utilizing, or just keep reading until I get better?

>>68723454
>ふぃろそふぃすとーん

にほんじんにはぜったいにはつおんできない

>>68723485
アメリカでは「ソーセラーズ・ストーン」なんだよ

>>68723484
1) If you keep reading (and actively looking up words), you WILL get better yes, everything else is really secondary.
2) Repeat the meaning in your head, not necessarily translate, but just ask yourself "what did that sentence mean"? If you can't think of an answer, it meant you just skipped without actually processing it.
3) Context. If you make up lines, something will feel off about the next line, or the one prior to it. Generally a passage will make sense if you're understanding it correctly so if you feel like it doesn't make sense somehow, you're likely making something up instead of getting the actual meaning.
4) Just keep reading

>>68723484
if you only understand 50% then it's too difficult for you and will just sap you of your motivation while rewarding you very little

when you read, you should already understand 90-95% of something. it should be enjoyable and naturally reinforce what you've learned while still stretching you every now and then

>>68723516
なぜ変えたの?ばかなの?

>>68723741
そうだ
アメリカ人にはフィロソフィアズ が難しすぎてわからない

>>68723899
だって、みんなが魔法使いなのに、なぜ賢者だあ違うだろう

>>68717176
i recognise this image

were you on /pol/ earlier

>>68723445
i dont have a "hard" button in my anki. only easy, good and again. what do?

>>68724442
Wait 1 day to see review cards.

>>68717095
Pretending to be retarded to get (You)'s eh?

Do you guys think it here a point of no return in learning Japanese? For example, with exercising there's about a 2 month period where 90% of people give up.

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>>68724607
Probably reading.

Kana is easy.
Learning grammar and elementary vocabulary fucking sucks though.
If you can make it past that, to the point you've internalised most of the shit in DoBJG and have enough vocab to mine more without it being completely torturous, you're probably gonna make it.

At least I hope that's the case. I'm still in that "learning grammar and vocab" phase myself, so take everything I've said with a huge grain of salt.

>>68724756
>I'm still in that "learning grammar and vocab" phase myself,
Same, I wish you luck anon

>>68712218
why dont you try anime movie?
Actually japanese can be drama can be fun too. if you dont mind the silly acting that is. Some Drama can be serious as it intended to be such as Jin or many other taiga drama title. But that is too advance for you.

>>68724937
Japanese drama can be fun too*

>>68724937
日本人か?
何でアメリカに住んでいる?

>>68724818
Thanks. You too.

Also if I were to take a guess for an exact period, I'd say about 3-4 months.
Core2K at 20 words/day will take 100 days. That's also long enough to go through Tae Kim, Genki, etc. and to have made a start on reading actual material. If you still haven't given up by then you probably have the gumption for the long-haul.

>>68724937
Jin isn't too bad, but Taiga dramas can be a real chore to get through.

>he learns a meme language rapidly dying in relevancy worldwide to chinese or spanish which is far more useful for business so he can watch foreign cartoons and play untranslated games

I'm in tears

>>68724978
いいえ日系人です
カリフォルニアに住んでいる
I'm really suck at Japanese in reality.

>>68725165
日本語だけじゃないよ
アメリカに住んでいるならその英語力はないだろう