/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

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can you guys help me with the hips and waist anatomy? I'm having trouble to connect the torso to the legs

also general critiques are appreciated

post more females please

>>3071502
this
also less makeup and underage photoshoped girls

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I've been playing Art Academy on my 3ds

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Last one. The software is pretty fun and well made. Wish you could do higher resolution than 480p though.

>>3071502
My /co/mblr is talking here, but I wish they'd post other ethnicities. I haven't drawn a black person in forever

>>3071502
>>3071506
>>3071526
you -can- find your own right? why is the onus on me? the refs i post nowadays are honestly just throwaway because the thread would feel naked without them since it's tradition (and since nose used to post refs on every new thread)

>>3071526
Why would you want to draw blacks? Draw apes instead.

>>3071533
I know the OP isn't obligated to do anything but I feel like these threads would be more welcoming if that was the case. It doesn't really matter just a minor complaint of mine.

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where can I learn which brush I need to use and how to use clip studio?

didn't realize this was in the old thread >>3071546

anyway, how do I draw better? I was looking at a reference but I got tired and just kinda scribbled what I thought I saw

>>3071555
you don't "need" to use any type of brush
and clip studio has a shit ton of spoon feeding tutorials on their official website

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draw this shit ya flipping poindexters

>not going on /soc/ and /fit/ drawing from the references there to fill up ur sketchbook

ngmi

>>3071555
draw that shit by hand. stop drawing pedo shit.

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>>3069829
Still practicing, good references thanks.

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>>3069830

I've been wanting to practice sketching people just like walking or lounging around, or sitting on the train, or just doing everyday activities like that, but I always feel like too much of a super creeper, and also I'm still pretty bad so it's kinda embarrassing. Are there any livestreams or just videos of places with people doing normal stuff that I could use to emulate the experience?

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the sketch looked nice, but when I started drawing the musculature it all felt wrong
any help here, please?

>>3071594
Is this a bait?

Flipped, bad type of paper, lack of any effort...

>>3071605

The dude anon probably JUST thought about drawing, this is probably his first drawing ever.
Be a little more gentle and try to actually critique.

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If anyone can, could you redline it and help me fix my anatomy in this piece? I'm still new to art but i'd like any help on female anatomy and perspective.
>It was gonna be a barbarian at a campfire.

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>>3071476
eh

>>3071672
you're symbol drawing, mate
draw what you see, exactly what you see. right now you're making up shapes and lines to represent what you see.
you should also get a B pencil

>>3071677
Huh. I was somewhat aware of this symbol drawing thing and yet I still somehow fall into it when I'm trying my best not to. How long does it take to stop? Maybe I should try again.

I'm also kinda busy at the moment so all I've got is a shitty mechanical pencil I use for my programming classes. I'll try to buy some proper materials some time next week.

>>3071678
the problem is that the only way for you to stop symbol drawing is actually drawing the volumes. and for that you have to use grayscale

try some grayscale exercises with your mechanical pencil for starters. make a nice gradient from the darkest black your graphite can make to the pure paper white. that's how you'll be able to draw volumes and then reality

I have got a question.

When I was starting out, I relied 100% in reference and never noticed, after some months someone asked me to draw something, and Im like, fuck yeah, can do this shit. And I fail miserably.

At that point I was really confused and found out I couldn't do anything out of reference.

So It was like my skill being crushed back to a begginer state, it was sad and hard to take that.

Some months later, using 0% reference, and If I do use reference to do something (Like looking quickly to an image of a leg) I dont like to consider that.

Its been like that to this day, Is that something right to do?

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>>3071475

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>>3071466
Evening reader

Composition practice looking for CC on how to make the breifcase stand out with the bot

Xoxoxox

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>>3071672
>>3071684
is this any improvement at all?

>>3071703
Just because you add some value (incorrectly) to something symbol drawn doesn't mean it's better. Stop drawing faces. Set up a still life in your room and work on that. You need to read through Keys to Drawing so you know what it means to actually draw what you see and not what you think you see.

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this is gonna be a hard road to drawing environments..

>>3071703
first anon here
you actually got the right values around the eye, but I must agree with the anon above. faces are a hard beginning, some still life would be great
still, although this drawing has the same ammount of symbol drawing than the last one, you're capable of noticing values, which is good

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>>3071705
try blocking in major values with bigger brushes

i think my basic anatomy is on point and im looking to take my art to the next level with shading properly. its something i often exclude because i dont know the proper techniques even i can see the difference in lighting and depth. so which book or guide should i follow?

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>>3071467
I feel like I should just start over, but how does this look so far?

Anybody got any resources for the pelvic\hip area? I can't seem to figure out the connection between the underlying skeletal structure and the overlying musculature, it all looks like a bunch of weird shapes.

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>>3071476

>>3071797
they look nothing alike, none of the features look like you're paying attention

>>3071494
Draw the pelvis.

Anyone has tips on painting anything that I should know.

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>>3071868
Depends on how new you are but start out simple and work the basics. You will just disappoint yourself otherwise.
Just getting back into drawing and this is the shit I have been doing the past few days.

>>3071880
Don't just do those exercises, they're good but practise drawing too, draw from life, so that you won't waste your time on practising circles and lines only.

>>3071668
I'm /beg/ like you but the perspective is off. Her body should be perpendicular to what she's sitting on. Her pose is very inward and stiff which makes it look like she's flexing when I don't think she would be flexing at the fire.

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So if I do one of these a day, will I eventually get better at rendering forms?

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>>3071901
Forgot to resize

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>>3071899
Yeah I try and mix it up a bit.

>>3071901
You can't get better at rendering forms if you don't know what forms you're rendering. Anatomy first, turd polishing later.

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Did I make this puppy ugly?

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I was told to come here

>>3071939
What do you think?

>>3071940
Get the fuck off /beg/

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>>3071948
>tfw

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>>3071947
Looks accurate to me, I don't know.

>>3071956
So many fucking Dunning Krugers on /ic/ lmao.

>>3071592
feels flat. The bracer doesnt follow the contours of the arm and there's a tangent on the thigh/thumb area on the right. Even if the photo has that tangent it's better to move something to give the drawing depth. Also the bow it the same thickness the whole way down the image, so it's hard to tell which way it's rotated, where it is relative to the other feet and, as a result, where on the floor the guy is standing is difficult to tell. Your feet don't seem to respect the fact that there's a significant amount of weight pushing them onto a flat surface, either, and without showing the force, their position and motion is even more ambiguous.

>>3071957
???

I really don't think I'm overestimating my ability. I just said that it looked accurate to me.

>>3071939
his existence looks painful

Anyone else have a problem with taking their time? I think its been almost a year since I've spent over an hour on something. I just can't focus on one piece for more than 30 minutes.

>>3071967
take adhd meds

>>3071956
Bowie reincarnated.

Did you learn anything doing this?

>>3071736
start over if you're not happy with it. polishing isn't a skill that you need to develop.

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How did I do? Changed his lips a bit cause this kid can't smile for shit

>>3071919
I'm going through Proko's anatomy video's. Is that okay? Or should I be doing more??

Also, thank you for replying anon

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My only regret is not spending those years in highschool drawing instead of goofing off

>>3072002
draw his lips right. you also dont have any of the right values anywhere bar maybe the iris and pupils. your lines all go in strange directions, not follwing the orm at all and you've drawn outlines that are unnecessarily thick. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUM3SHNCfpM watch this

Is the desire to mock people worse than me enough fuel for getting good?
Anyone have experience with this? There's no way I'll ever fuck around with commissions or designing, I just want to be good enough to produce something I can shove into people's face when I'm just trying to shit on people's art and get told "yeah but can you do it better?"

>>3072017
you're on your way to a sad existence

>>3072025
Too late for that. Might as well make full use of my pathetic mindset by tricking it into making me learn to draw.
Be honest, is there a better reason to learn to draw than being elitist about it?

>>3072017
you'll just get merc-whipped into submission.

>>3072034
I know you're talking about that one WIP meme but I'm not following man

>>3071880
I'm pretty stern on ART right now. Cause it something I really want to be successful. Though I've been doing it for a pretty short time. I think I've grown to know how to "draw" Even though people tell me to do the "Fundies" on past previous Chats. But thank you for your advice I'll try to take it slow and easy with my subjects at which I'm painting ^^

>>3071687
A reference should be something to go to if you mind just can't visualize it. Ref's are important. But what really makes you more confident based on my experience doing it. is going by memory, and repetition

Let's say I used a ref page, and I looked at it for the whole time while drawing. Do you think I could actually visually memorize what I am seeing? I believe it would be more so copying at this point. For me, a better option would be. Look at the image. for like 30 second. Then look away. and Try to remember what I saw. Might help the creative mind :)

>>3071736
maybe don't focus quite so much on the dingus

>>3072007
well you're not even trying.

>>3071976
I don't think so. I just wanted to practice drawing from a real photo, and puppies are calming to draw.

Got a set of 2B pencils and a 192 page blank notebook for the equivalent of 11$.
Also I found an old Wacom tablet I never used for drawing. The pen's side buttons were busted until 3 years ago but now it magically works for some reason. No input lag or jitter. Lucky.
I may finally start drawing and learning fucking properly.

>>3072131
why only 2b pencils? a4 or a3?

>>3072007
Leave /beg/

>>3071940
you were getting trolled cant believe you fell for it.

>>3072138
>why only 2b pencils?
You raise a good question, I thought of buying a sampler initially.
Just thought the idea of getting one was tacky. Best thing would've been to get one or two more (n)B pencils.
>a4 or a3?
A4, thought it was big enough and you can get a fuckton of pages for nothing.
I saw the A3 sketchbooks were double/triple the price of A4 ones and with half the pages so I just scrapped that.

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Just random drawings om vacation

>>3072177
(n) b and ignore (n) h completely? pencils arent that expensive. you could have got a whole set (6b through 6h) for $8. what i do is buy the twin packs of each grade. $1 each for the decent quality ones.

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>>3071494

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>>3071494
>>3072220
>>3071494
>>3072220

as a general critique, for a pose like that do some more deliberate gesture work and build on top of it instead of going straight for the shape of the body. it'll help make it less stiff and will probably help the chicken scratching problem too.

>spend 4 hours on a drawing
>looks like shit
>repeat
This is progress right?

>>3072230
yes, keep doing that for 2 years and you'll be alright

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>>3071476

>>3071471
Tried this and it was awful...I think makeup is distracting

>>3072234
What if i did a 4 hour drawing every day 5 days a week before the year ends will i become great?
Fuck it im gonna do it

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How'd I do?

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>>3072245

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Drew this from imagination. Any recommendations other than the obvious LOOMIS!!!

>>3072253
90° clockwise
1000px

>>3072254
Im on mobile so it's going to rotate no matter what

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Critique. Not wanting a really original character.

>>3072245
I think you're drawing with your brain; you didn't capture a lot of the angles correctly and you haven't taken muscle/fat forms into account. Your drawing looks like a generic white dude, when you're meant to be drawing a fat lipped nigger. with the eyes, you drew in pupils that are pretty hard to see on the reference because they're basically the same value as the pupils, and got the wrong shapes for the irises. you're not respecting that this guy's a little chubby, so his bone structures are hard to see. you used the cheekbone as a place to draw the faceline from, when the cheekbone isn't part of his silhouette. in the construction phase, sketch in the simplified shapes of all the major landmarks (nose, jawline, lips) and then draw on top of that, using the distances between landmarks for measurements, etc.

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>>3071526

>>3072291
>draw black people as white people
>draw asian people as white people

Why does this happen? Am I a racist?

Thanks for the critique. I'll keep that stuff in mind next time. For facial features I try to go for the eyebrows, nose, mouth, eyes in that order. Proko did that in his head drawing video.

>>3072308
because white people have the most scientifically appealing faces. which is why korean supermodels always look white and why black supermodels wear so much powder/are mixed in some way.

>>3072317
That reminds me, I wish I still knew my old crack dealer. Not for crack, I'm over that. He just had a really nice face that I want to draw. Black skin but most of his features were white shaped.

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I want Sunkist .-.

>>3071956
>draw ugly dog
>ask if you made it ugly
you didn't make it ugly its mom did, just like >>3071957

>>3072171
Lol. Not until I can draw correctly

>>3071957

Learn the fucking definition of the word before you use it.

>>3072331
Leave /beg/.

>>3072173
How did I fall for it

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Hey guys. I've only been drawing for about a month and this is what I made today. I could use some advice on how to make backgrounds for these kinds of pictures and also I'd like some general critique

>>3071533
Just a suggestion, isn't the OP usually made of peoples attempts to draw one of the refs posted? I only have full body stuff and very little bust references

>>3072378
Why should he? It looks like fucking ass. Unless you want him to go to an absolute beginner thread.

>>3072385
Those types of pictures don't have backgrounds because if you get that close to someones face you wont even perceive anything behind it.
Also your shit is all symbol drawing, if your unaware of the term I advice you to look at the thread pinned on the front page.

>>3072391
Ok. Thank you and I'll research symbol drawing and try to move past it! :)

>>3072394
Anything else I should keep in mind?

>>3072385
Is this bait? Looks like you stared yesterday.

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>>3072385

>>3072394
Best of luck. After you check out the resources there I would advice you to leave your attachment to drawing outlines in your work.
For now practice creating forms using value. Everything else is in the sticky

>>3072397
Sadly not :(. I started only this month so I know it's bad. I'd like to know what makes it so bad in your eyes if that's ok and thanks for telling me :)

>>3072398
I never thought about drawing that way... thank you so much for this I'm saving it!

>>3072385
stop drawing from imagination until you know what a face looks like. memorise the distances and ratios between parts of the face and learn how to draw and shade simple -> more complex forms

>>3072408
Ok. I'll use some real examples until I'm confident and have you guys' approval. Thanks for the input and I'm happy you guys actually give critique unlike people I know. I appreciate you guys and I'm going to go practice! :)

>>3071940
>>3071951

maybe its because you posted a 10 minute drawing and asked for direction

>>3072424
It took me alot more than 10 minutes to make

>>3072426
Thus, you belong in /beg/

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>>3072440
Post your work, faggot

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Alright guys. I took your advice and I'm trying to get shake my habit of symbol drawing by looking at references. Of course this has no detail yet but I just want to make sure I've got the shape correct.

>>3072446
*shake my habit.
Sorry about the grammar

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>>3072445

>>3072457
What a fucking pussy.

All I wanted was some crit.

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>>3071478

>>3072462
I'm not better than you by any means, but if you're taking "alot more" than 10 minutes to make a simple outline, then you probably do need to work on your skills a little more. Your post was definitely among the best on the board but it didn't demonstrate much beyond that you can draw good lines and a pretty face. I'd like to see more of what you've done, maybe something that's finished.

>>3072220
>>3072223
wow, that's some fantastic reference, thanks a lot!!
will try and come back here

>>3072471
*thread not board

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can you guys help me out with this foreshortening?

do you know where i could find help, or learn how to properly layout panels for comics. I wanna do comics but i feel like i have no real grasp of panel work

>>3072478
. I use a box to create the outlines and I think you can be very creative with panel structure. If you're going to use a taller panel put it on the left side and not the right so we will read the tall one and read the smaller ones to it's right downward.

>>3072471
I don't see why they needed to make two threads about my drawing.

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should I finish or start again?
I apologise for the slight drink spill on the leg

>>3072493
Do you like it? If yes then yes if not then no. The torso seems a little small to me

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>>3072498
I'm going to try to upload it the correct way up

>>3072487
where

>>3071705
Build the form first with clean simple values, then add details. The castle is just cubes in space. There should be definitive values that divide each wall.

>>3072502
They were deleted but they were basically ridiculing me

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>>3072501
this is my practice I always seem to like my practices better
I always seem to choke when I am attempting the good one.

>>3072505
does anyone have screenshots?

>>3072446
you should try to do long consistent lines instead of lots of tiny ones joined together, it will look much better.

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going to grind every single loomis book until i get better

>>3072511
Ok. Thanks! :)

>>3072514
dude i love undertale

Recently bought a tablet. When inking a drawing how the hell do I keep my hand from shaking? Is it a skill I'll learn overtime?

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What is the best way to learn good anatomy for thicc anime girls?

>>3072531
understand real anatomy

study women with larger thighs and how they translate into a stylized form

what kind of answer were you looking for?

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>>3072531
by studying the anatomy of real girls

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>>3072531
study and draw real girls first then modify

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>>3072539
Where have I seen that same exact ass before? Did that faggot Kyle reference this?

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>>3071467

>>3072545
you spent more time on the dick then the face, admit it.

Head is small

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How is my linework?

>>3072567
Spent 10 minutes on dick,more than 40 on face
>head is small
This always happens, will fix

>>3072574
that pose is so broken I can feel the chiropractor bills from here

how can I tell if I'm drawing gesture or just copying the outline

>>3072579
classic ass AND face shot
notice it all the time in professional work

>>3072579
>>3072587
I felt it was too exaggerated. What do?

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do i finish or was starting this a mistake

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Newbie artist, saw a suggested exercise in the Sticky suggested drawing Piccaso's Igor portrait, but mine turned out odd. Advice?

>am I really improving at gestures or is it sheer luck my sketch looks on-model: the novel

>>3072285
Please Critique this

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decided to take a break from my anatomy studies and draw something loose and cartoony. Any thoughts?

>>3072625
I can't draw faces so I filled it in with pepe.

In the ball and plane section from fun with a pencil, loomis tells you to divide the head in 4 equal parts but when I look at the models he divides it into 3 equal parts and one smaller (the hair division) Am I getting something wrong?

>>3072285
reminds me of JSR. I like the design and I think you did a pretty good job, but the action pose on the right seems a bit awkward, as if his torso is too small even disregarding the foreshortening

>>3072627
the design? how good the drawing is? your linework? what do you want critiquing?

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>>3071466
I was making brushes. AND A face poped in so I roughed it up and now tis UGLKY

>>3072626

I have a very hard time starting any gesture drawing that doesn't show a frontal view of the torso or involves any curving of the torso whatsoever

how improve

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>>3072514
i fucked some of them up

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>>3071476

>>3072657
look at the symbol drawing infographic

>>3072659
Ok. Thanks :)

>tfw first exercice off keys to drawing is already too hard
>tfw can't see shoelaces properly

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Drew this from imagination. Any tips for me other than loomis and study real people?

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>>3072656
noice legs, here's a quick tip.
also, doing the drawings so tiny is going to make everything much harder, especially placing the features without looking wonky. and try to take your time with each and not rush. if it takes under 2 mintues, you're rushing.

>>3072663
literally loomis and study real people

>>3072663
what you've done there is make 11 lines that look vaguely like they're meant to resemble a person.

>>3072663
>other than loomis and study real people?
this is precisely why you suck so much.

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my first gesture drawings from last week compared to today's drawings

I think I'm improving, that or Cruel Angel's Thesis motivates me to draw better

>>3072663
>>3072669
Well, yes and no. For the longest time I tried drawing from my imagination cos I thought that's how it was supposed to be, and using references was cheating. Maybe it's something similar.

But for real dude, read up on actual human anatomy and look at people. That way your bodies and limbs don't look so wacky.

Even if it's an artstyle thing, you have to learn how to peoperly draw a person first. Only then can you figure out how to skew things to be more visually interesting, while still keeping a proper human shape.

>>3072672
Are there any art related books for it. Or should I just pick up any anatomy book for it?

>>3072669
The fact that I only do loomis and study real people? Isn't that what /ic/ spams the fuck out of? Could you be more specific? I know that I suck so why do you think I'm here?

>>3072665
Which book should I start with?

>>3072667
It's something. That's the thought that counts

>>3072691
>you only do loomis
show your studies, anon

>>3072694
Don't have any studies. I can't even draw an ellipse correctly. Tried posting the head exercise from Fun with pencil and got called shit. An anon told me to practice an ellipse.


Then when I post exercises from drawabox. Anons tell me to not only do the drawabox exercises and to draw from life. What do I do? Should I do both? I'd rather focus on one thing and getting down packed first before going on to something different.

>>3072699
See this post is much easier to give advice for than your first. First practice drawing straight lines. Then practice circles and elipses. Then go through Fun with a Pencil. Go slowly and do the excercises numerous times. Post elipses

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crit pls

>>3072699
do drawabox for now. personally, i think it represents perspective as more important an aspect of art than it is, and is maybe overly mathematical, but it's definitely a good way for a beginner to understand form and finish some good-looking stuff and motivate them. do mechanical exercises as well (e.g. drawing ellipses, straight lines in varying directions, etc) to train yourself a more accurate hand. "Getting good" isn't a linear process, though; you shouldn't devote yourself to doing just one thing at a time, as making lots of slightly-out-of-your-comfort-zone drawings is how you improve and learn how things work. Additionally, just be perceptive of how the world works. Look at things and think how that would translate into a 2D image. Draw the main planes of photos and then compare the angles afterwards to see how your perception of 3D spaces and how your translation of them into 2D is wrong/can improve. good luck anon

>>3072691
>The fact that I only do loomis and study real people?
No you don't. If you "studied" loomis, then you would at least know that the shoulders have a boxy form, or that the clavicle is not all the way down there, or that your torso to crouch proportions are way too short. He goes through every one of these things. So go through his books thoroughly and actually digest information before you try drawing blindly from imagination.

>>3072705
you don't belong here

>>3072705
eyes are way too small and short. learn the perspective of lips better, it's not just making one length of the mouth shorter than the other

>>3072705
I feel like the pencil makes it look better than it is

>>3072712
the autism

>>3072715
thanks - I'm having a real hard time with the features

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Did a request for /v/. They said I needed more Loomis.
Anyone have a more in depth critique?

>>3072705
Look at her left eye's iris. it is peeking out from behind her nose. Idk what yours is doing.

Look at how vertical the line of her forehead is supposed to be.

Look at the curl of her lip. How it curls up. How close it is to the line that defines the edge of her face. You're pretty close.

Nose shape looks pretty good. But the shading in her right eye socket (that kinda defines the bridge of her nose) should not be there. And look at the distance between the tip of her nose and the edge of her face. Yours is too far.

Her right eye should be narrower.

Distance from her eye to her ear should be larger. Which also means longer jawline.

Hairline would be fixed with longer jawline and taller forehead.

Eyebrows look good.

You're a good drawer.

>>3072635

Actually that's a pretty good base so start on. Just jump in and start defining shapes.

>>3072726

All of this can be fix with head construction.

>>3072705

You should learn head construction. Your drawing is already at that level. Should be easy to pick it up.

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>>3072663

>>3072739
Lol. Pretty much this.

>>3072726

really appreciate the indepth feeback and compliment

>>3072737
any particular method you recommend? I've been drawing for a week with basic material, been reading loomis and watching proko a lot during commute ... my real strnggle is wehen I get home t actually practice

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Did some editing on my original >>3072331

I think I improved it somewhat by re-tracing it's mirror image, and correcting anything that looked weird...

Still, I think the proportions are a bit off, and the pose is stiff...

I think my biggest weakness is the lower body (hips, legs, feet).

Thoughts on what needs improvement?

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>>3072745
What program are you using? CSP has built in 3D models you can use for reference

There is too much wrong in general, draw from reference

>>3072745
HoLY shit anon that fucking right arm

>>3072755
Yeah... was just free-drawing in photoshop.

Eughhh, T_T I guess I was being too lazy. I'll have to give CSP and those 3D models a try.

>>3072760
It was trying to foreshorten it... but I guess it ended-up looking like a stunted limb. lol

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>>3072002
You did pretty good.

I went in and changed the nose and the lips. And the hairline looks weird.

It's a cute smile cmon! lol

>>3072744

I've tried Loomis and Michael Hampton. Both are good but Hampton is much more looser in terms of proportion. He have a basic proportion but you need to change it as you see fit according to perspective or ref.

I suggest trying both see which one you prefer. I think there's hampton pdf in the book thread.

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>>3071466

This is the first time I tried to seriously draw something. Drawing is bullshit wtf this is so hard.

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My first time using a program other than MS Paint to illustrate one of my chracrters.

>>3072785
That's really awful for a first time ever drawing seriously. Don't you know all the great artists made a masterpiece their first try?

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>>3072773
I'll look for it

Here's another I just did with below's post reference
>>3071478

>>3072790

I know drawing is hard but its just I never realized just HOW HARD it actually is.

I downloaded fun with a pencil by Loomis (isn't it basically SS for drawing?)

I have internet famous artist friends who keep telling me to draw and use all the free time I have and making me feel guilty for not doing so, so Loomis seemed like a good starting point.

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>>3072797
Dude I've wanted to rip my nut hairs out and cry because of how fucking hard drawing is. It's HARD. and it's HARD for a long long LONG time. I'm only a few months into drawing seriously. if you stick with it though, practice often, practice smart, you can do it. I'm still a long way from being any good at all, but I'm at least seeing progress, so I know eventually I can get to where I want to be, at least partly. Good luck.

>>3072788
It's not dogshit but it's not "good".

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>>3072805

I've always been really really terrible at it even for non artist standards though, even as a kid. I want to do it and I'll keep practicing because why not, might as well, but I have a mental block like "I'll just never get better, it's impossible, I'm just not meant to do this".

I hate using ballpoint pens they feel weird and I don't like the thickness of the lines, I'm gonna try out pencils.

How many years until I'm this tier if I practice an hour daily?

>>3072811
How many years? Twice as many if you worry about questions like that. Worry about the questions right in front of you. Is this angle correct? Am I drawing what I'm seeing or what I think is right?

I hate ballpoint pens too. I stick with fineliners. try different pencil grades. try holding them differently too, use your shoulder as much as you can when doing large strokes, and only use your wrist for small strokes.

>>3072788
Did you trace or use one of those deviantart bases?

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Would a life drawing class at a community college be worth it? I'd like to try one out and its the only one near me.

>>3072817

My hands feel so un-wiedly when I try to use my entire arm though. my lines end up being squiggly and uneven and bumpy. It's so hard to use my entire body. Maybe it's just about improving dexterity I guess but I really struggle with that.


thanks for the advice btw anon

>>3072819
my thoughts exactly lol that looks either traced or a colored base.

>>3072632
oh, that's becuase is 5 heads tall not 7.5 as in the one in the center (cartoonish), is it still off?, thanks! great to know.

>>3072820
I took one and learned a lot from it, just make sure the teacher can draw before you sign up, and ask them to critique your shit hardcore, point out all the flaws.

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>>3072703
How does this work? Most of what I've been told was to not hold the pen so hard; and to go through it slowly to make sure I get it correct.

I have a natural jittery hand, so I don't know if I'll ever get the lines 100% straight. Should I draw by shoulder, wrist, elbow?

>>3072843
honestly dude you're fine on lines. It's not really that useful of a skill. Work on circles

What do you do when you're just not feeling it and nothing is coming together?
How do you push through?

>>3072860
gesture drawing

>>3072860
Just draw shitty drawings.
Just like all my drawings.

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>>3071940
how do i draw like you

How do I hair properly? I know the rest of his face is all fucked up too but I failed the most at his hair

>>3072446
I think one of the big things to get is that "sight drawing" is basically all values. You're simplifying lighting into specific shades in specific shapes, then drawing said shapes. It's good practice, but I honestly disagree that it will "teach you how to draw". If you don't understand the beginnings of drawing from imagination (shit like construction and perspective and line quality, a la your shitty lines here) grinding still life won't do shit for you as an artist.
Basically git gud with values but understand that even if you do git gud with values being able to copy pictures goodly won't necessarily equal drawing from imagination.

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>>3072883
Forgot pic

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>>3072887
ref

>>3072860
Start something else and just keep doing it I guess.

>>3072887
His hair is very busy and messy so you should try to convey that. Because you seem to be going for a more cartoony style, feel free to exaggerate it.

For the middle, you should do more than just shading it across like that, even if it's just a few of the more prominent curls.

>>3072898
>cartoony feel

It just kinda came out like that idk how

>>3072902
The reason why is because you're symbol drawing. Read that infographic that's already been posted. Also actually shade in your lips as well as the shadows on the face. Also did you do head construction?

>>3072909
oh yeah, and also be sure to draw the eyelid width

>>3072909
I've read it, I know I'm symbol drawing. I've tried turning pictures upside down, it makes me worse. Yes I did do head construction, according to proko's video.

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Practicing anatomy. How's it look?

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>>3072924
Sorry for the flip

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slowly expanding from just bog standard portraits

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>>3071736
>>3071467
I started over, feels like this is a lot better so far, still don't quite understand the knees.

>>3071983
Why shouldn't I try to learn how to render? I feel like i'm very much lacking in that department.

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Drawing puppers is such good stress relief.

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>>3072539

if you are drawing this >>3071467 and focusing in the dick and no the hands you are a fag

Don't you just hate it that when you do free art for someone, and they say that it's shit without deliberately typing it, like they want to say the art is shit without being rude. And you wasted your time to suddenly feel inadequate that you did something for someone and now have no urge to draw?

That's me right now.

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I've been attempting this exercise for days and I just don't get it. I understand each cube is supposed to have its own set of vanishing points, but I have no clue where or how I'm supposed to set them.

Pic is an obvious non-starter because I'm getting so frustrated I can't even line my boxes up properly

>>3072948
Go in the book thread, find Ernest R Norling - Perspective Made Easy.

All will be illuminated.

>>3072948
by the way I'm not Mr Norling trying to get more people to read his book so dont think that ok

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I'm planning on going to art school next year.

Hey /ic/ im a beginner with a cheap drawing tablet and some amount of artistic ability. Im able to draw, shade, all the good stuff n shit but so far i havent drawn a single thing. Its not that i dont want to or dont have the time, but its more of i dont know what to draw. So because of this i present to you, /ic/ the ability to choose what i draw for the first time on a computer. Ill take some requests and try to the best of my ability but im not sure how itll come out so dont expect something straight out of the louvre.

>>3072950
>>3072951

Well, Ernest Norling died in 1974 so I'd be impressed if you where. Grabbing the book now. Perspective is such a whore, and not a cheap and easy one

>>3072944
>Wanting to be fingered instead of taking that juicy man sausage
Shaking my head to be honest family.

>>3072957
Draw these

>>3071467
>>3071469
>>3071470
>>3071471
>>3071476
>>3071478

It's what they're here for

>>3072926
Again. Any help is appreciated

>>3072384
you posted in beg despite it being the wrong thread because you thought they were legit.

>>3072387
its a fake me obviously.

>>3072963
gesture sucks, no idea where he is putting his weight, shoulders say one thing waist says another.

Can't ask for anatomy tips without a whole body, also the proportions are fucked look at the bicep on the left compared to right.

>>3072966
Can't find my ref now but thanks for the advice! :) I'll keep it in mind

>>3072961
oh thats what those are...
>thinking they were a photographers artwork
im an idiot

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>>3072952
Which one?

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More?

Having trouble overfilling my G-pen. Is the correct way to use a bottle of Higgins India Ink using the built-in eyedropper to transfer it to some container where I can actually see the ink level?
And then close it off so the main container doesn't dry as you draw stuff?

I have a feeling this tall container wasn't really meant for nib pen use.

>>3072997
You just dip it into the bottle, I don't think the ink in the bottle should dry that fast; it's not that expensive if you run out quickly anyway.

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Only been at it for a month and decided to try my hand and drawing while looking at a model reference that's not a dummy. How's it look?

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More practice

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>>3073004
Ref

>>3072514
eyes should be in the center

>>3072843
I agree with the other anon. you can always ghost in lines or make a light line to begin with or even make several lines, being sure not to chicken scratch. Speaking of that, see if you can draw a large circle with multiple lines and make it look like just one.

>>3072843
Also, everyone recommends you draw with your shoulder, so you should probably do that, but I personally dont, and with a small graphics tablet it's basically impossible to use your shoulder anyway, if you plan on going digital later on

>>3072926
it looks like you never constructed or learned how to make a confident line

>>3072933
lookin good; dont be affraid of cutting away to study a piece of anatomy quickly before going back to finish the piece.

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>>3071476
fucking hair

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>>3073080
fucking phone doing whatever it wants.

>>3072378
this meme is so funny

>>3073090
from what i can tell its really good with the exception of the lips

>>3072253
i guess you should go watch sycra.

for starters hes videos are great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piKV5nXL-C4&list=PLV2X3tgajVlEAo91iOj8w5YizC_fLULzu

heres a playlist for total begginers.

or you know.

>>1579290

>>3072601
Well, you did the exercise wrong, the whole point was to not be creative, to learn to copy.

>>3073004
Turn off the lights and put your paper over your ref. Your drawing is supposed to overlap perfectly, that's your goal. That's not something you work towards after having studied drawing for 10 years, it's what you're working on right now.

Does your drawing look like your ref?

>>3073070
Using multiple lines to make a circle? As in drawing a line and rotating the paper sort of thing?

>>3072933
Bumping for critique

>>3073073
That's a good idea, thank you anon!

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This really tickles my autism, I like how every squashed parallelogram can be seen as the side of one rotated cube, never thought about that before

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>>3072819
>>3072825
Actually no! I did not use a DeviantArt base.
In fact, I've never used a DevianArt base
And i'm quite proud of that.
Here is the WIP that I saved.

When trying to draw an ellispe, should I draw from wrist or shoulder

>>3073236
You should draw an ellipse. It's all that matters.

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someone?

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>>3073242

>>3073236
shoulder, if you'll draw with shoulder your ellipses will be a lot better, same with circles

>>3073236
Whether you draw from the wrist, elbow or shoulder depends on the size of what you're drawing, not what you're drawing itself.

>>3073247
ofc when you are about to draw something really small then use your wrist, but if you are practicing draw big elipses, circles with shoulder

>that deleted ref of a little girl

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>>3073152
like accurate chicken scratching i guess. left side was emphasised

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>>3073247
>>3073248
>>3073251
As for the drawabox exercise; it should it be done with wrist right? Here is my first ellipse

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>>3073336
you are pushing too much, touch gently paper with your pencil and make max 3 circles over it, here's mine that i drew with shoulder

>>3073336
what part of your arm you draw with isn't a set thing. do whatever's comfortable/yields the best results. Also, draw on from another line, dont start a new line altogether, otherwise you get chicken scratching.

>>3073336
No, the shoulder. He even says it. Also, stop chicken scratching. You're supposed to draw the ellipse in one stroke, going over it two or three times. Go on the drawabox website and actually read the directions.

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Can I get some brutally honest Crit?

I have trouble understanding rendering in practice.

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>>3073366
Man thats light. How do you even see?

>>3073370
How is it even possible to keep the line steady when drawing from the shoulder. Everything feels all shaky.


Here's my attempt at drawimg from shoulder. Didnt want to use a new sticky note so I erased the precious one

>>3073400
sorry, i cant make it better pics xD

how big circles are you drawing? show whole paper

>>3073406
i cant take better pics* im retarded

>>3073400
You're going way too slow. One ellipse/circle should take a maximum of about 2 seconds. It's okay if it looks deformed at first, you'll get better.

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>>3073400
>Didnt want to use a new sticky note so I erased the precious one

>>3073400
>Man thats light. How do you even see?
obv it's darker in real life. there's shadow on the paper so the lead looks comparatively light. That's the correct weight.

>How is it even possible to keep the line steady when drawing from the shoulder. Everything feels all shaky.
You're meant to do it in one quick motion, after ghosting the motion for a bit.

>Didnt want to use a new sticky note so I erased the precious one
bait? either way, you can draw 2 circles, or lots of circles inside of eachother, or like 6 overlapping circles. They're just circles dont get attached. If you have paper, use that

>>3073400
>sticky note
why are you even trying to draw with the shoulder if you dont even have 5 inches of paper

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I tried drawing my friend when I was at his place. It came out looking so awful. Drawing from life is impossible for me, how am I supposed to keep track of slight, millimetre movements that change the whole fucking face shape??

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>>3073429

>>3073429
draw something that that doesnt move apple, glass, glasses, whatever

>>3073431
Why is that ant smoking a cigarette?

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>>3073406
>>3073409
>>3073412
>>3073414
>>3073417
Am I doing good so far anons? Top was with wrist. Bottom was with shoulder

>>3073431
I used prokos head construction method. Do I need to learn Loomis too? I always get stuck at the first exercise on fun with a pencil. My blooks always look like turds

>>3073441
How about getting a little mischievous and moving on without completing the first exercise

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>>3073440
this looks better, but dont use lines unless you wanna do picrel

>>3073443
If I can't do the first exercise, how could I do the rest?

>>3073242
Not sure what that line going through the center is supposed to be. If it's her spine, then it should be more towards the left. The center of her rib cage should be more towards the right, because of the way she's facing. See pic related (from hampton) for example. The line for her right leg (our left) should end a bit farther up than where it is now. Foot is too small.

>>3073448
Sorry boss, you're right, let's not lose sight of the beaten path

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>>3073449
fuck forgot pic

>>3073441
you should try to understand how the planes of the face work, it looks really flat. And as far as I know, Proko uses Loomis so, if you really want to be good there's a thread of free books somewhere with it.

would recommend seeing sycra, gives some insight for begginers

>>3073449
this line helps me with positioning of pelvis
>>3073452
yeah im talking about this, i study hampton