/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

you all sit here SLAVING away making CRAPPY drawings while CHAD could draw humans with PERFECT PROPORTIONS when he was TEN because of TALENT

>>3073644

OP is gay for this guy...

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How'd you do a 3/4 and a side view of this?

Is costructive drawing a must as a beginner? What should a beginner schedule Look like?

Also can someone Please post a video showing how a picture is drawn ? So that I can understand the steps better. Would be super nice

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>>3073643
Been trying to render, doing the thing where you block in values

Can't seem to get the brush feeling correct, especially like most speedpaints on YouTube.

Btw I'm using clip studio paint, what would be the brush I need to achieve the feeling I want?

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>>3073686

>>3073688
For the blocking I use the default dense watercolor and opaque watercolor brushes depending on if I want a hard or soft value change

Then after blocking I use the default airbrush on a new layer and erase where I don't want the value I airbrushed (like that one ctrl paint video, I can find it if you haven't seen it)

>>3073680
just move the face over a bit in paint, it'll be fine

>>3073678
i'm not but he is a handsome dude. i'm pretty sure he takes up half of the photos on Quickposes so i have no choice roFL also im doing away with these shitty refs next thread anyway. so long chums

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>>3073686

>>3073688
"Speedpaints" are a terrible trend, both in terms of using them as learning tools and as exercises.

You ever run a gaussian blur over your ref? Enough so that most of it turns into literally blocks of color. Block those in.

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>>3073686

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>>3073645

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>>3073686

>>3073726
>all this rendering
>doesn't know how bra straps behave

>>3073732
could be a loose strap

>>3073701
Ok, got it, wrong board.

>>3073699
Thanks. It would be helpful if you can find it. I don't think I've seen it.

>>3073710
It's fun to watch the process sometimes. I don't necessarily use it as a learning tool, but once you see a lot of artists doing the same things, you can pick them up.
Started doing this when I was doing 3d modelling.

>>3073741
https://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/hard-and-soft-shadow-edges

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Followed a video because many had told me skulls help you understand facial anatomy. The top and the right one are from the video, the bottom left is from my imagination.

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How are my ellipses

>>3073766
small

>>3073718
blog?
love your style

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>>3073797
oh and im not trolling and this isnt a fake i just genuinely love your simplification.

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I like drawing puppies when I'm feeling frustrated. I don't care if I'm not that good, the end result is still kinda cute

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>>3073803

>>3073804
>named dog dump piss

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did this.
ass rape me
(or cuddle me)
or both

>>3073831
cuuuuuteee so cuute ;~;

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>>3073835
thanks, ferret cuddles are best cuddles

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>>3071478

>>3073831
Damn, my puppies look like ugly turds compared to this

>>3073846
very nice, maybe should have put more time on the right hand tho

>>3073850
you're puppies are cute nikka, just do them digital and spend more time on it and it will look better

>>3073846
you pinched his face and made him ugly

but good attempt

>>3073852
>should have put more time on the right hand tho
Yeah, it didn't fit and i half assed it in there

>>3073863
Thanks

>>3073831

If you're going for this style then good job other than the lines on the fur. You don't need to draw strands of fur. See that painting on the brown ferret head? Do that for everything.

Also choose your focal point and focus the details on that area. Right now my eyes goes straight to that overlapping paws. There's much higher contrast and details in that spot. Unless you did that on purpose?

If you're going for something a little bit more realistic then you need to think about contrast and form. And a bunch of refs. White ferret are not white. There's different hues on their fur and also depends on the color of the light source.

>>3073846

You made the shoulder wider and pinched the head making the hand look gigantic. Pay close attention to the body and head perspective and work on your construction.

Your values are pretty good though... Good job on that anon.

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>>3073911
thanks for the quality input!

>>3073684
draw all the time

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>>3073652

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>>3073992

>>3073992
Pretty good, if you want to stick to "realistic" portraits.
Pro tip : if you want to understand the figure, the shapes and the emotion to use them later, try not to draw how you know how to draw : hold your pencil in a different way, or with your other hand

>>3073691
anyone know where to find brushes like this?

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Still not 100% sure if I'm drawing gesture or just the outline

>>3073747
Thanks.

>>3073643
can you put a shittier drawing as the OP next time please so I don't feel bad

just take the very worst drawing and use that please

>>3073651
SHUT UP

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>>3074015
alright now I'm getting it
But I'm gay how do I into boobs

>>3074061
>>3074015
Those gestures are kind of poor anon i suggest watching hamptons videos on figure drawing he covers gesture pretty well imo and it should be on cgpeers book might be good to but i didnt read it so dont take my word on that one

>>3074063
I expect them to be poor, I've only been doing this a week

I still have trouble figuring out what to draw and how to keep it all in proportion when I'm doing what feels like blind drawing

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>>3073648
How'd I do?
I'm aware I didn't draw the face and hands, will definitely do it next time.

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>>3073652

advice please
still strugling with the facial features

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So much wrong, but ... well I tried.

>>3074089
the halftone on her lip is going the wrong way and her eyes seem a bit symbol drawn

>>3073688
It's all about finding the brush that fits you - and thats just practice. You're on the way, your attempt isn't horrible.
Tip: don't work on black backgrounds. It colors the eye, and makes the values seem darker. Yes, I know the photo has a black background, but that's photography. Set a 50% grey background. You'll be able to see the values in your work easier. Same for pure white backgrounds, it's harder to see value because all the white influences your eye. Bein an artist means having to interpret things, and look at images and change some things to make it easier to draw.

>>3074097
huh, does that work the same way for traditional materials, or is it because a screen has backlighting? Should I try wearing sunglasses while I draw or something?

>>3074013
You find them in the settings of your app. Learn how brushes work - set some time aside to dig into brush creation. There's way too much "what brush is that" on here - brushes are dead easy to make, for free, to cover everything you could hope to paint, it just means learning a little. You have no idea if the brushes that artist used will fit your style.
Just learn how to make brushes. It's easy, and free.

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>>3074102
Yes, it works for traditional media - many artists will flood the canvas with a neutral tone that works into their color composition, or classically they'll start with a light wash of raw umber.
It's also useful, because it establishes your mid-tone, and you work up or down to the shadows and highlights.
Sunglasses? No, pencil work is generally not dealing with extremes of value like painting is. You can start working with chalk and pencil on toned paper, like the example. I started doing this in the last figure drawing class I ever took, and it's a lot of fun, and can produce beautiful effects.

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>>3074106
More on this - artists didn't really get pure white paper until the modern age, so starting on a pure white background is something of a modern thing. It's entirely possible to work on it just fine, as I did and still do, but I think it makes it harder for students to learn value, because instead of starting in the middle, you start from one extreme, and have to feel your way with whatever softness/hardeness of graphite you have to figure out the darkest value, and then the mid-tone - and same as if you're working on black paper, and chalk. (That's fun to try, too)
You don't always have to work on toned paper, but I recommend everyone to try it. The masters worked on paper with a tone to it, after all.

>>3074106
Thanks helpful anon. I think I have some paper like that somewhere, I'll give it a try tomorrow.

>>3074113
Yeah, I've been struggling with value a lot since I always feel like I want to go "above" the color of the paper for highlights and such. This might give me a different perspective. Thanks again.

>>3074123
Definitely try it!

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Still working on hand drawings at different angles and poses. any thoughts?

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do your ears hang low

>>3073992
One thing i can say is that the whites of the eyes should be shaded to give them their ball shape

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>>3073644

>>3074128
wtf is that mountain.

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critique me anon

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>>3074167
maybe im too big anon, sorry

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How is this? What did I do wrong?
P-please don't bully, I started two weeks ago.

>>3074172
that is a really uncomfortable position for the head, try it yourself.

Also her pelvis is rotated in a really weird way and the hands are too small, grab your hand and shove it up your ass, oh, I mean, put it on your face from chin to up and see how far it goes, this one goes as far as the middle of her face wich is true... for babies.

I would say you are doing well for 2 weeks, keep drawing anon, and dont depend so much in reference.

>>3074168
what happened to her face? I don't wanna be rude but wtf, the lower side of her face got completely dislocated towards the left

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How do you draw a cat from imagination? asking for a friend

>>3074174
Oh shit, you're right. Thanks for the feedback.
Also, what do you mean by don't depend on reference so much? I was actually trying to copy some drawing. Is that bad for practice?

>>3074194
>drawing from imagination
Find a reference standing in the pose you want and basically draw what you want ontop of it.

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>>3074130
come on, straight lines dude. i did this with a mouse in clipping tool.

>>3074226
I want to use 100% my imagination tho

>>3074232
Draw a cat from reference until you can do it from memory then.

>>3074232
Then you have to keep grinding cats until you can do it off by heart.

>>3074232
You already did that. You saw what happened

>>3073992
thanks anon-kun for this nice drawing, you have inspired me to work harder

>>3074232
then you can draw whatever you want and there is no way to critique/help you

100% imagination of yours = we don't know what that fucking looks like, it's your imagination, put it on paper retard, you can only get critique of things that have some resemblance of reality, ie, grind references

I really like paintings. does anyone here do paintings? could you post your paintings?

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>>3074250
It's not a good painting but I like it

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>>3074254

i like it too.

>>3074231
the head is supposed to be tilted with the jaw coming forward

>>3074244
thanks for the kind words my guy. It still has a lot of mistakes and I got tired of looking at it once the face was done, but if it inspired you then I'm glad I posted it.

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generic arm forms and lineart. the forearm muscles keep throwing me off

>>3074259
Yeah, I'm aware it has room for improvement, but you really captured her beauty and her look, and that instantly hits you as soon as you look at the drawing, so regardless of details it's a nice drawing, I started drawing her but I hate this fucking sketchbook that is too small and doesn't let me do details, going to bed now, tomorrow I'll post my attempt at her on a bigger paper.

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>>3073645
day one
(its shit)

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I get so fucking mad when I try for a long time at drawing something and it looks like a symbol drawn fucking turd. I wasn't "looking with my EYES" apparently, still doing that shit months into trying to fucking draw but I'm too goddamn stupid to learn

The sticky doesn't help, that infograph doesn't help. I just suck.

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Critique other than disproportionate torso

>>3074287
you do suck. imagine drawing for three whole years and making no gains at all. that might happen. you should just stop right now

>>3074278
the thumbnail makes it look way worse than it is

>>3074287
Start off with basic shapes. Dont try dtawing the whole thing at once. Sketch it out lightly than once your comfortable with it go over it in a darker line then add detail later.

>>3074291


Maybe give us a better angle

>>3074254
fuck u

>>3074291
>other than disproportionate torso
yeah how about taking a proper picture and learning how to resize images

>>3073801
>>3073797
thanks
it's https://jm--bueno.tumblr.com,

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>>3074287
Get the photograph and trace it. Then set that aside then redraw your dog again and post it here. Everyone starts off like shit and you shouldn't beat yourself up over it. Pic related is how I used to draw and >>3074157 is how I can draw if I try now.

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>>3074310

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Most recent

>>3073643
Does anyone have that how to improve image which has a list of books to read and the order you should follow them?

>>3073680
manga stylization is terrible for learning. Find a reference of what you want I would say.

>>3074338
Don't read artbooks. Only open them when you need to reference a diagram or some kind of measurement. Art is a practical subject not a reading subject and plenty of books are filled with a painful amount of pseudoscience filler.

>>3073755
For now on specify what you want critiqued, this is cluttered. Your imagination one is unfinished but the eyes are in the wrong space regardless, the nose opening is too high and the cheek bones shouldn't be attached to the temples. Practice more from skull references at different angles and learn construction of the head.

>>3074331
There's some semblance of form in the torso, I guess, but it's still kind of flat and it doesn't look like you understand the shape of the ribcage and how the pecs lie on top; in other words the torso is the best part aboit this drawing but it's still flat and symbol drawn. The rest of him is flat without a doubt. The arms, traps, neck, and head look like bristol board cutouts attached to the torso. The face has all the features smushed together and pushed to the side. At the risk of sounding like a broken record, the nose is also very flat, like an upside down 7 was drawn onto voldemort's face in place of a nose.

Before diving into complex shapes, I would recommend planning out the major masses of the body using simple shapes like rectangles. Learning and understanding just a bit of form and perspective can go a long way if you're dedicated to sticking with stylization

>>3073804
It's as if the image of the doggo is being distorted about a black hole to the right of the image but maybe it's just the perspective throwing me off. The head also seems too angular and asymmetric with the nose, lips and eyes added onto the face instead of part of it so work on avoiding symbol drawing.

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>>3073755
I think that skulls are still a bit of a useless activity unless you want to dissect people, become a surgeon or want to draw these in your regular artwork.

>>3074130
Proportions are really messed up and his head is flatted at the top.

>>3074168
Perspective of her right hand is off, either the arm should be more to her right showing more of the inside of the arm of the hand should be showing the knuckles more. The face is the weakest part, eyes aren't level and are too high as is the nose, chin and left jawline is squished flat, head might be too large for body and extends to her left more than it should making it off center to her neck. Also upper and lower halves look disconnected, her upper half looks rigid and upright while lower is decently dynamic though with rough line work.

>>3074263
Find some pictures of body builders to get the structure even for less muscular arms to prevent noodle arm syndrome.

>>3074278
Distance between lips and nose should be shorter and the lips and jaw should be more toward the right and the nose, lips and chin should be aligned at an angle, not vertically. Eye stretches too much sideways. Work on proportions and line-work before shading, otherwise the shading will hide things that need work.

>>3074287
It looks like you're exaggerating curves and outlines, maybe overcompensating to avoid symbol drawing?
This guy >>3074326
has some good advice, if you're struggling to see the shapes accurately then start with tracing them over the image first.

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Well I'm starting to finally work with a tablet and Sai, been alot worse than on pen and paper unless I zoom in excessively. So does anyone have advice on whether I should avoid zooming in for details, part of the learning curve I had before was getting details and I doubt I would have improved at least as quickly if at all if I could have just blown up the size to work with. Also no idea how to shade with this and what stuff to focus on first so any advice would be nice.

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Anyone has an easy way to measure something that's on a screen? Rulers and eyeballing doesn't do it for me.

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>>3074364
While we're here what does "Treating hairs like patterns on a surface" mean? I don't really get it as I don't really have advanced English comprehension.

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>>3074365
last one.

>>3074364
Not sure what you need but googling screen ruler can get you to a digital ruler of corresponding size.

Also most of your drawings are very scratchy, definitely work on making longer more confident strokes instead of many short ones, the outlines aren't obvious and so it makes it harder to see if the shapes look right.

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>>3074363
This is an excellent tute someone posted a while back.

>>3074350
even i dont understand half the stuff youre writing.

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>>3074350
I disagree, for expression and likeness they are very useful. Drawing a skull from imagination adds character rather than plastering features over a blank ellipsoid.
the picture is a bit shitty, but I hope it carries my point

>>3074376
>shitty
Not really anon, it's very expressive.

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>>3073643
help?

>>3074382
>>3073645
ref used

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Thoughts on this digital piece?

>>3074388
Technically competent, eye on our L is too busy and on our L ear appears too short.

>>3074350
That's not necessarily true. Anatomy is over referenced here, and there's way too much attention on naked women (4chan, hello), but learning the underlying foundations of the body help, like learning how the bones of the skull form the shapes of the face. The face is the one spot where the skin and muscles and tendons are the thinnest over bone (hands and feet are next), so knowing where the bone is, helps you construct the volume in your head, and in the drawing. Or, for example, knowing how the jaw bone is constructed, so if you're drawing a face from imagination, you know how to shape the lower part of the face, because the jaw will dictate where things are.
You don't have to study skeletons and skulls, but it does come in handy.

>>3074364
Photoshop has ruler tools. Dig into the toolset of whatever app you're using and see if they have any.

I'm trying to sketch out the shapes more loosely before adding features

but it's so hard getting those initial shapes to look proportional

do I have retarded eyes or something?

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>>3074388
Somewhere, a felinologist is crying.

>>3074404
You have untrained eyes. You can't force experience. Keep things simple, and keep working on the basic forms.

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>>3073658
That's code for more Loomis dudes, right?
Looking at the image I see the right dude's right nipple is too high up

Middle right was me drawing a perspectived guy without the perspective, hell yeah

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So how long should this have taken me to draw?

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>>3074342
Not that anon but that's not true. Only stuff like Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain has a ton of pseudoscience. Are you telling me I should stop reading Keys to Drawing and Hampton?
A lot of books contain useful information and good exercises. It would be a lot harder to learn something like perspective without a book.
>>3074338
Here is the image

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>>3074426
Part two

>>3074426
I came here to ask about this. Will reading Keys actually make me a better artist?

>>3074424
well under an hour
his elbows are the wrong way round lmao

>>3074430
The worse you currently are the more Keys will help

How bad is it if I draw on a phone instead of paper?

>>3074430
Yes, if you actually read it and do all the exercises. The book is a bit too long for me, since I wanted to jumpstart into anatomy, so I'm actually reading it in conjunction with Hampton and Bridgman. I do one Keys to Drawing exercise per day.

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>>3074437
Why would you even consider that? holy fuck what is wrong with /beg/

Drawing on paper is so easy. You can take a sketchbook with you everywhere. Why would you want to draw on a tiny screen where you can barely see anything let alone write your name on?

FUCK

>>3074449
Because I'm shit at art and live with my grandparents and a sibling and a cousin and an aunt that will all make fun of me for drawing.

>>3074458
Get a small sketchbook that you can easily hide. You wont be able to get good detail using a phone.

>>3074460
But I have nowhere to draw in the home is the issue! I can just shred the papers when I'm done drawing but I can't hide the actual action

>>3074382
stop smudging

>>3074463
Tell them you're planning to learn to draw
A couple days later they'll stop caring and telling other people about your goals always helps motivation

>>3074078
draw lots of hands and feet

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can someone help with drawing hair, I doesnt look right when I try to do it the way I draw everything else.

also its my first time adding value to a drawing. is there something im super blatantly messing up so far?

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>>3074477
ref

>>3074463
Leave the house, tell them you're going for a walk or something, and bring a sketchbook outside with you. Don't draw with a fucking phone, unless it's near the size of the samsung galaxy note or has a stylus or something. If your relatives make fun of you, tell them they're a bunch of faggots and ngmi. They sound like shitty people, just try to not give a fuck about what they think.

>>3074481
It has a stylus, the LG stylus.

They're not shitty people they just like to poke fun, it can just be real discouraging at times even if they don't mean it to be.

>>3074483
Then ask them nicely not to make fun of it anymore, even if they're just poking fun. If they care about your feelings they will stop.

>>3074484
That's a pretty faggy thing to do. I'm not going to ruin their fun because I have thin skin.

>>3074488
yeah youre right.

with families jokingly making fun of you the answer is to grow thicker skin and continue to do what you want anyway.

if you ask them to stop youre 'weak' but youre also 'weak' if you let what they say affect what you want to do

>>3074492
I suppose that's true. I'll keep on trucking. Thanks.

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>>3073648

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>>3073644

Ahh what the fuck, I sketched out an outline of a cat, and trying to isolate the face just highlights that I fucked up somehow. Trying to fix one part fucks up the rest. I tried looking at the ref from every angle.

>>3073644
HERE IN MY GARAGE
JUST BOUGHT THIS LAMBORGHINI HERE

>>3074478
>>3074477
fucking move on to something else already jesus christ

>>3074477
With this pace... NGMI

>>3074378
>>3074380

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>>3074097
Thanks for that. The reason I was asking about it is because I didn't find the brushes that I was using fitting me.

Will do things in more of a neutral tone from now on.
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I feel like it turned out fine this time for the dark background though.

>>3074522
I love how fucking expressive the lines are and how effortless it looks. Watch the ears though. If you are the skull expression anon you're definitely better than everyone in this thread.

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How do I not get mad when my shit comes out looking like this? I tried flipping the canvas every angle, but I couldn't get this to look like an actual fucking cat. goddamn I'm so upset right now. and yes I know I'm fucking symbol drawing to shit, it just fucking happens, that infograph doesn't help me.

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>>3074564
ref

>>3074477
outline the hair as many parts in another layer (basically divide up the hair into many bits by the shadowy areas)

Then use a brush that can draw strands to fill in the black area in the direction of hair flowing, then do the light bits and so on, apply some light blending to smooth it out.

Watch some YouTube tutorials.

>>3074539
I want to finish something though
>>3074553
I'm only doing 30 mins a day for the most part, recently that's been drawing hair in another layer and then deleting it cause it looks like shit

>>3074567
I'll give that a go soon

>>3074564
It's not that bad, has its own charms, but a bit off with the original. And at least it looks like a proper cat.

Have you tried reading "drawing on the right side of the brain"?

Also I would recommend you to draw something with a bit more contrast. A full black cat doesn't seem like the best way to go.

>>3074569
Take my wprds with a grain of salt. That works for traditional sketching, not sure about digital.

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>>3074564
When people send you that infographic you're supposed to do what it says, not just turn the paper upsidedown and carry on as normal

>>3074564
Drop the shitty references you're forcing upon yourself for a day or two, don't think, just fucking draw.

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Did I mess up the foreshortening?

>>3074657
just a bit

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This might not be the right type of thing for here, but I'd like some recommendations. I've been experimenting with acrylics, and made a somewhat nice swirl of colors. I want to cut something shape out of this paper to put on my walls as decoration, but not sure what to go for. Anyone have something they think would look nice with these colors? I've pondered some sort of sun, but that's pretty uninspired, so I'm up for better ideas

>>3074522
not beginner fuck off please thanks

>>3074429
>>3074426
>2+ years of drawing shit nobody but a 55 year old train collector would enjoy
lol fuck that i'd rather be shit

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>>3073648
Too lazy to draw the face.

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I need help. I've always considered myself pretty good with bodywork, but when referencing this, I realized I don't know how to do connective stuff like the shoulder for example.

How would I go about 'shaping' a body (like how some people use boxes, some use circles)? I only make a skeleton and fill it in from there but I'm trying to use the whole page and it's just not working, all my proportions are all over the place.

>>3074673
too lazy to clean up your lines, too, apparently

>>3074675
hampton, scott eaton etc.

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I didn't realize her leg was so mangled until I looked at the pic I took. Other than that did I do ok?

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>>3074742
Ref for the figure

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>>3074742
Ref for face

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>>3073652
she pretty

>>3074871
Stop with the chicken scratching. Be more deliberate with your lines. Also measure better.

>>3074673
You're going to have to practice faces eventually. Why not do it in the same drawing?

>>3074828
>wakkawa:the photo

>>3074463
>>3074458
sounds like your family is a bunch of losers who don't want anyone close to them to succeed so they tease anyone trying to get good at anything

I'd understand if you were trying to learn how to sing, cause it's usually loud and annoying, but drawing? doesn't affect them in the slightest, there's no reason for them to poke you, they are not dumb kids and they know it is discouraging

fuel your self with rage, every time they poke and make fun of your shitty drawings use that as motivation to get better

>>3074880
Different guy, is there a trick other than eyeballing and measuring relatively ? I'm absolutely awful at it and I feel like I'm not getting any better.

>>3074927
Yeah it's called going through the sticky and actually reading the recommended books

>>3074927
compare lengths relatively to others (the pelvis is as long as the forearm in >>3073648)

>>3074931
Yeah sorry but I can't read and memorize a couple dozen books at once.

>>3074934
Alright, sounds like I just need more practice then.

>>3074828
shitty overexposed picture.
>>3074424
read the sticky
>>3074380
wrong person?

>>3074947
"Sorry prof, I can't read all these marketing books at once. Are you sure an economics PhD is actually possible?"

>>3074952
drawing isn't my profession or what I aspire to do, it's just a hobby
I never said it was impossible either

why are you so angry ?

>>3074424

Don't think about "how long" just think about learning.

>>3074958
>pulling the "why so angry?" card on an ironic mock
wew lad

You can practice for hours or read some books and practice for some less hours, what does it being your hobby have to do with deciding between those two options? Are you scared of books, anon?

>>3074670

It depends. Is he deliberately stylize or is he incapable of drawing an accurate representation.

>>3074965
I never said I didn't read the books in the OP. I said I haven't gotten around every single one of them in detail.

>>3074974
If you had skimmed them you would have seen them address measuring and known where to go to specifically study it

>>3074980
Maybe he reads them in order and haven't gotten around to it.

You sound like an asshole.

>>3075006
Keys to Drawing and Right Side are the first ones proposed and basically start right out with measuring methods

I'm just pointing out the obvious man. The earlier anon was right with telling him to hit the sticky's books, and he was wrong for disagreeing and pretending.

>>3074871
looking at the thumbnail you can tell that your proportions are kinda off. nose too long, eyes too high. at that height, too, the left eye wouldn't be higher on the page than the right eye, anyway, since the horizon line's at about the eye height.

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''Almost done'', need to clean up detail some things and add shadow. Does it look correct?

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After some time training realism I decided to try some stylized stuff, but I'm having a pretty hard time with the linework

Anyone care to give me guidelines?

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>>3075041
btw, my main reference for stylization is cliff chiang, here are some examples

how can I achieve something like that (not in quality, but in style)

>>3074182
Well, It is actually kind of something that happend to me, I was always copying drawings, and never did drawings without copying, and after some months I realised I couldnt draw without copying/reference. While is good to use reference dont depend on it, for me it seems that you always see a drawing and try to copy it rather than coming with your own from imagination.

Try to do things by yourself, maybe look at reference for 30 secons, then take it off and do everything by yourself, better remembering so it stays in the long run than copying.

Understand what you are drawing.

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Trying out clasped hands. I'm gonna look into this for a drawing I'll be doing closer to the end of the month.

>>3075012
Just reading books isn't going to make it better, he needs to practice too, which is what he's doing right now. And obviously his first few attempt aren't going to be great. He also mentioned that he was already measuring relatively.

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>>3073644

>>3074232
I know that feeling bro, but there is no shame in looking up a reference. You need to teach your head what you want a cat to look like before you can draw what you want from just pure imagination. A working concept must exist in your noodle, enough of one to draw anyways. I recommend grinding cat poses.

>>3075101
yeah but you've seen a cat before, just remember it, if you resort to reference every time you'll never develop your visual memory

>>3075035
looks sexy to me, although I know nothing of choppers

>>3075041
I know nothing about line art but what seems rather obvious is that people that do line art use different line thickness in different pats to make it look cool. All your lines there have the exact same thickness.

>>3075068
Did you mean to respond to me? I don't understand your response. I am aware that drawing from imag is a different skill than just copying, I'm practicing both rn.

>>3075106
You do realise that most artists who draw things like cats all the time actually own a cat and can use their cat as a reference for art? Artists should reference as much as possible.

Professional artists, if you look at those FZD notes, are already doing shit like modelling their own 3D references and painting/tracing over it.

No rules only tools.

Sure you'll build up your visual library, but if you want to draw well without being 100 years old you'll use your references.

>>3075097
post construction

>>3075118
yeah, i have a cat, and if i want to draw one i use my brain to recall what a cat looks like, what's the point of having a brain if you don't use it eh?

>>3075097
the angle of his right arm

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>>3075106
this is such bad advice dude. someone that knows what a cat looks like, can visually see every detail of the cat in their head, but when it comes time to translate it over onto paper and it ends up looking like this, NEEDS to use a reference. the best way to go about not being dependant on reference is to draw something from reference first, finish it, then try to redraw without the reference, and just keep doing that over and over until you can draw whatever without help

>>3075097
this
>>3075124

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>>3073644
>>3073644

Can't finish it... Too freaking tired noodling around.

And for some reason my face always ends up skewed especially front facing.

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>>3073646
>>3073650

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pls critique

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>>3075151
>>3073644
>>3073645
made top left girl nose too long :/

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>>3075133
that's what training is for

and i don't think you tried to recall what a cat looks at all you just did like a conceptual drawing of the features a cat has.

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>>3073688
The reference you're using isn't the best for value practgice, imo. There are distracting parts like the sparkling skin, white skin tones. It's tricky to divide the planes into blocks of value.

Try something more like this >>3073644 where the highlights, midtones, and shadow are distinctly divided and wrap around the form. Then you can paint it by simplifying it to basic shapes and planes of value.

>>3075158
training is using the tools and resources laid out in front of you to hone your abilities
ask any professional what their thoughts on referencing are and they'll all say the same thing. use, don't abuse.
and yeah i can't draw animals for the life of me lmao. portraits are my thing

>>3075171
yes, so all i'm saying is draw from memory to train drawing from memory. if you can recall the cat, you can draw the cat, at first perhaps you can't, but if the image is there in your mind, then you can learn to put it on paper.

>>3075163
Yeah I didn't do the shine, couldn't be bothered making a brush that works.

My final result was here
>>3074556

It was a spur of the moment thing and I propbably should have chosen a better ref.
Although I can be a bit off with a frag and it would still look correct, but with a human model... I'm not the best with anatomy.

>>3075151
potential

>>3075124
I draw everything in one layer

>>3075153
I assume he is wearing armor but the values are so mixed up it looks like skin. His head has brighter highlights then the armor.

>>3075088
Really? You're coming at me with the classic "implying you can learn just by reading" after I wrote "You can practice for hours or read some books and practice for some less hours"?

Why so desperate to whiteknight man

im curious, are there any other/better resources to learn the basics such as form, figure construction, perspective etc. other than loomis?

>>3075224
Michael Hampton

>>3075224
Michael Hampton

>>3075153
why is only 2% rendered? why are you using such a soft brush? It looks like you traced the outline or something and tried to soft brush in incorrect values. make your reference black and white and compare values.

https://youtu.be/ATzM0TeVGnU I just found this channel, they have a relatively low viewership and are French but they upload a lot of real-time traditional sketching, if anyone could do with that.

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>>3075153
looks great in the thumbnail.

i think that you need to make sure you're interpreting your reference. it's not enough to just copy the values and try put them in the right place and hope you get a good/accurate painting. you have to use you brain to remake the picture using the same abstract elements, lighting, the subject the value range etc.

i might be off though, but when i was more of a beginner and my paintings looked like yours, that's what the problem was. this pic related is the particular painting where i was like 'fuck this painting, i'm definitely doing this wrong!' and i had work out a better way.

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Is this cute?

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>>3075294

>>3075294
no but what did you use to color?

>>3075297
well fuck me then, I don't know what's cute. I guess I'm just a shitter. anyway, I used photoshop to colour.

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Pupper from last thread

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>>3075299
Here's the ref pupper

>>3075299
Linework is pleasing watch his jowls on our L side

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>>3075311
Thanks was trying to show multiple folds but it ended up looking like he had a stroke

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Critque pls
Started art classes as I will be studying art, and plan on buying some Loomis books soon. Tried flipping canvas but I use both sides of sketch book so hard to see through the figure sketch. Does Loomis cover rendering hair?
Bogey, Peck, and Buttgirl respectively

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>>3075275
thanks this time ill look at the reference minimally

>>3073680
>tfw I can only draw in 3/4th and not straight on.

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just trying to learn it all i guess

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How do you render hair? Especially highlights, do you just use lighter pressure? Also crit pls, fucking loved drawing this

>>3075416
Break it down to large clumps and render them out like any other surface

>>3075416
>>3073652

>>3075416
>Also crit pls, fucking loved drawing this
It shows. Good job so far.

There are some issues with measurement and proportion. Eyes are too small. Nose too flat. Mouth too narrow. Values look okay so far. Make sure to add the mids and highlights. She has an angular face so the planes of the face are very visible. As for the hair think of it like ribbons.

>>3075432
i see them all now, thanks anon. i need to focus on drawing eyes the correct size

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>>3073644
should i keep going with this pic?

>>3075457
Should you?

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Off n_n

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>>3073691
How can I learn to do this. I want to learn this skill to grind on just drawing cute asian girls. Can anyone point me in the right direction?

Linked is a drawing i did a few days ago. From imagination obviously... also i know the hands are sooooo tiny and wtf are thoseeeeee.

>>3075457
Yes.

Finish everything anon. Even if finishing it makes it look bad, keep going anyway. There's a lot of people on this board that only do sketches and are afraid of creating finished pieces because they're not good enough. It's not polishing shit, it's learning. You'll learn far more finishing one piece than sketching 10. It also gives you something to compare to in the future; 'I could do better if I finished this' is a trap you don't want to fall in to because it really hinders progress. Value everything you make anon, YGMI.

>>3075457
It looks better than my painting

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I'm trying to learn to like anatomy.
Trying to feel it, rather than just memorize it. These are all from imagination (obviously).

Am I feeling it yet, Mr. Krabs?

>>3075126
What's the point of inventing tools if you don't use it?

Why make your life harder than it needs to be?

You should use refs until you get the grasp of it.

>>3074257
You too anon.

>>3075589
what's the point of having the ultimate tool, your own brain, if you can't be bothered to learn how to use it?

why make life harder than it needs to be?

you should practice drawing accurately from memory now, so you can get the grasp of it.

>>3075575
i think when people learn about 'feeling it' and what not that they tend to sort of pretend to feel it, so they draw loose line drawings like yours which bring to mind the idea of 'feeling it' but which involved not much more feeling than the fun of swooping the stylus around.

abandon making a nice drawing and focus on really actually feeling the masses.

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Are ellipses supposed to look like this?

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>>3073652
I fucked up but I don't know how, really needing some critique

>>3075660
What Appendage did you use to draw that with?

>>3075666
The wrist. Didn't want to use arm because they weren't big circles

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>>3075323
>>3075153
retry. Any critiques. Rendering takes a shit ton of time

>>3075692
retarded amount of contrast

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How do I properly pick colors?

I'm tiered of greyscale

>>3075707
you seem to be doing ok
my main recomendation is using real oil paint in canvas, it will help you a lot

>>3075751
How the fuck would that help him?

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WIP

>>3075676
Make bigger ellipses and draw from your shoulder you faggot, it's the point of the fucking exercise

How does one work through a book like Michael Hampton's? There are no exercises, only explanations. How can i get the most out of it?

>>3075791
Apply the info to your studies. Do gesture and figure drawings from reference (and maybe imagination once in a while) while keeping in mind what he teaches in the book.
I actually had this problem too when I started reading it

>>3075794

Thanks for the reply. Can you help me with this?
When i draw an "S" or "C" for the gesture, i don't chicken scratch them, but i draw them 2 or more times. Is this wrong?

>>3075800
No, line restatements are fine. Proko does them too.

>inb4 kangaroo

>>3075488
>YGMI

what does this stand for?

>>3075828
You're gonna make it

>>3075829
ahh, ok, thanks

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Full page of ellipses

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>>3073644
>>3073645

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>>3075596
I see. It's just I'm very uncomfortable with sexual expression, I figured most people would have an edge for this due to the inherent interest/attraction, whereas I don't like the human body that much.

Then, I shall make gesturals, basic constructions boxes, and only then apply the smooth flowing lines.

>>3075777
mixing colors, experimenting, trying different mixes and seeing how colors behave, finding the best color to make a shadow (people often use pure black)

>>3075942
>mixing colors, experimenting, trying different mixes and seeing how colors behave
Well they behave in a totally different way from how they behave in CG. If you're not planning on becoming a traditional artist, you don't need that. This stuff is pretty complex, and has little to do with colouring digitally. Not to mention that oil paints are expensive and bad for your health. It's good to experiment, but it's only good if you experiment in the medium you're planning to work in.

>>3075996
understanding color composition is something much easier to achieve when you deal with traditional tools
doing stuff digitally without learning traditional art first is like playing the guitar with just a couple of chords you memorized: it's okay if you're not aiming too high.

So is the mindset "My drawings are shit now but they're eventually gonna be good" a good mindset to have? Cause I've been proud of nothing so far

>>3076015
For a while it's going to be like that. You're never going to think "I'm finally good;" you just get better than you were a month ago. It's a harsh hobby, but if you're able to analyze things from a different perspective you can be able to feel good in progress.

>>3076007
>understanding color composition is something much easier to achieve when you deal with traditional tools
I don't see any reason for that. Maybe I'm wrong, please explain it then.

>doing stuff digitally without learning traditional art first is like playing the guitar with just a couple of chords you memorized: it's okay if you're not aiming too high.
No it isn't wtf. It's like learning to play guitar without learning to play lute first.

>>3076027
it's like learning how to play the guitar without studying music theory.
also ctrl+z, select, color adjust, this kind of stuff makes an artist literally less capable of producing good artwork and more dependant on this stuff
you're not a good artist if you can only work with a specific set of tools. (specially the easier ones)

>>3076031
>>3076031
>>3076031

>>3076031
>>3076031
>>3076031

>>3076031
>>3076031
>>3076031

>>3075789
>>draw from shoulder f-faggot.

Here's your (you). Im not falling for that retarded shit. Esoecially for ellipses this small. Post your ellipses

>>3076182
>Post your ellipses
Is this the /beg/ equivalent of post your work?

>>3076205
Yep. Show it or fuck off. I'm not going to listen to an anon who can't back it up

>>3073643
how the fuck do I learn form and volume like its so fucking hard for me to grasp it holy shit

>>3075488
ty

>>3076221
I don't know I'm a retard