/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

>>3069822
I kind of want to hide the beg thread now this OP is legit creeping me the fuck out.

Any thoughts on this "Paint like a sculptor" technique? Pros and cons or something like that? Just looking for some insights or second opinions or whatever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zC3OxonJcXQ

>>3069861
It's less of a technique and more of a way to internalize the concept of form and how important lighting is in painting.

>>3069854
wtf that's not a brunette

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I tried it again.


bottom is first trial, top is second. Im not sure which way it'll pop up. On mobile by the way. Im going to go doodle now


It was supposed to be portrait style, not landscape because I drew the lines from left to right; not up and down. I've done this 4 times for the last 2 days. Should I take a break and doodle some more?

>>3069871
all you whiteys look the same to me

>>3069872
looking good, anon. Try putting less pressure on the pen.

>>3069875
Well then you're not gonna make it, but that's beside the point.

>tfw got rejected from art school because I can't draw people for shit
>tfw I can only draw animals and buildings

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I did this a while back; how do I do this without taking 10 hours/painting?

>>3069871
Yes it is. That's lightbrown.

>>3069882
Does it matter how long it takes? You will get faster while you improve

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>Looking at the previous thread.
>All of that good artwork that people consider beginner.
>Meanwhile, this is the best I've done so far.
What the fuck am I doing wrong?

>>3069885
read the infographic about symbol drawing. And use pencil and paper, not mspaint

>>3069887
It's not mspaint, it's GIMP, but I guess the same principle applies.

>>3069884
I'm worried that I'm not using brushes correctly or have the wrong technique, so I'm not doing the most efficient thing i could; that means I produce less studies/week and improve slower.

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Opinions, advices?

>>3069891
her nose is a bit big and her lower lip is a bit small, but i like the style. Keep it up!

>>3069829
>>3069830

is this someones photography art in this thread, or is someone just dropping stock stuff to bump?

>>3069872

I hope you don't just waste time drawing only lines. Draw from life, draw from photo ref. You'll learn nothing drawing just lines. You only need 20 to 30 minutes for this. Even when drawing other things you're training your line control.

>>3069894
Those are refs for you to draw, like always.

>>3069891
I thought it was real at first
You have incredibly believable light, but just blend your colours better and study ears, hair

>>3069883
That's dark blond.

how the fuck do beginners render so quickly when pretty much all my shit is stuck to cel shading

>>3069898

sorry this is my first time on /ic/. I am not an artist my self I just came here to see if there's any interesting amateur painters who might sell their works.

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>>3069823
Does this look okay? Trying to tackle fundamentals, I guess

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>>3069824
ok how do people do this

i'm reading the sticky and like none of this registers in my small brain

i just want to be able to draw with my imagination

i tried to construct his face but i'm slow at it

>>3069914
Relax. Take it one step at a time. Drawing from imagination will become easier if you know how to draw realistically from reference. It will take a very long time but if you're willing to put in the effort, you can do it. Good luck.

>>3069899
i forgot to render ear lol

>>3069914
What you drew looks bad, but you at least have your pic rotated the right way, and resized to 1000p tall. You're going through the sticky too. This amount of effort tells me that you can really make big strives in improvement if you work hard at it. I really hope you stick with it.

>>3069912
Good job at capturing some of the character, it surely looks a bit like her - but you are clearly thinking about turning the shapes into lines, which is bad. Look at the darkest areas in the pictures, then the shadows: turn these into marks on the page - don't turn almost completely white things like the eyelashes into shapes.

As a general rule: never underline the whole of the lower eyelid, it either catches enough light to appear invisible or it's in darkness. Also, try and avoid completing the circuit of the eye-contour with the same line weight. Look at the eyelashes and change the line weight according to the grouping

Try "drawing blind" more, looking at the reference while drawing on the paper instead of looking at the reference and then afterwards drawing on the paper. I also notice that's a very blunt pencil, you could benefit from sharpening it

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I finally found an approach to coloring that I can comfortably work with, it just takes a fuckload of time.

I'm still a bit lost on what to do next to improve the look, besides finishing and cleaning it up.

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I did this stupid shit with drawing the picture upside down. Got some critique and advice /ic/?

>>3069946
Resize your pic. Also, people don't have lines around their lips.

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I've been improving my drawing skills for a couple of months, I don't have a tablet and only draw on paper(sometimes I do a little bit of pixel art

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Here's some pixel art of an HECU Marine from Half-Life I did

>>3069949
how can you do pixel art on paper ?

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How am I doing

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first time i attempted to draw arms and hands

how did i do?

>>3069936
Okay, thanks for the advice -- I'll try to look at the shadows more. About the pencil, I'm poorfag, so I was trying to conserve my pencils that weren't HB

>>3069956
Well, meant to say mostly, not always.

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any advice for shading with charcoal

>>3069965
mlp fag, furry/10, but looks pretty decent

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>>3069914
I don't know. It feels bad when I make a bad drawing

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Some figures. The top ones are from ref.

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I'm having trouble coming up with poses. Is this a normal problem?

>>3069995
i couldnt help but notice that cow

>>3069995
is that a cow

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>>3069823
CRAAAWLING IN MY SKIIIIN

I think I made her face too long at the beginning and it fucked up all the proportions. What should I start with when drawing a reference? What's a good anchor point from where I can compare the relation between this thing and that?

>>3069976
Who is this, this face looks peculiar, can I get a quick rundown?

>>3070015
The distance between her eyes, the distance from her chin to her hairline, the distance between her chin and her mouth, her nose, brows, etc. Anything can be used as a landmark, and as long as you're comparing two comparable distances, you should be able to work it out.

Your attempt is pretty good. Just looking at it here, the place you're off is the eyes, they look a little high.

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>>3069823
>>3069824
>>3069826

Practicing muh loomis...

>>3069514
draw a squiggle then contour it

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how the fuck do I do rendering

pls help

>>3070091
You need to work on your ability to draw, before you worry about color.

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>>3069965
each hand is missing 1 finger. Hands have 5 fingers, not 4.

>>3070094
I'm aware I'm mediocre at structure but I should still be working on other things along side it, no? I don't want to end up like 95% of /ic/ and dA where their values and shit are far ahead of their actual anatomy and such, but I don't want to cripple myself by sticking to just lineart or whatever.

>>3070107
If you seriously want to learn to draw, leave 4chan and never return. You're asking the wrong forum for help.

>>3070116
the problem is all other forums I've visited are either worse than /ic/ or are near-dead

>>3070121
That doesn't make 4chan good.

>>3070082
STOP DRAWING THOSE FACES

>>3070116
>>3070127
/ic/ can be very helpful, you just have to know how to ask for help

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from last thread, abandoned ship and moving on

>>3070048
top left looks a little like niel degrasse tyson

>>3070091
rendering's more about light, dark and texture than colour, and you've demonstrated none of that. Render in black and white for a while, then do different, complex textures, then learn colour theory, then do what you're trying to do now.

>>3069995
Really nice cow

>>3069995
cute cow anon! :D

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>>3069823
Got a Huion tablet and giving digital a try. Needless to say I am clueless what to do exactly and it just feels terrible to draw with. I am used to overhand grip and drawing with the arm almost exclusively which makes the transition even harder. Anyone can give me some pointers to help me transition to digital? I have no idea what I am doing and I am back to bad habits like chicken scratching which I don't do with pen and paper. Software is Clip Studio Paint.

>>3070006
>>3070013
>>3070150
>>3070156
he specifically asked not to pay any attention to the cow

>>3069835
Welcome to the wonderful world of exophthalmos.

>>3070140
Not bad - it's a good start. Don't cheat on the hands, feet and face. Obviously that's where you need work, so it's obvious what you need to concentrate on. The hair is a bit of a cop-out too, so focus in tat. Some of your lines and shapes are wonky, but for beginner, this is a good start. Keep going.

>>3069995
cute pre-hamburger

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>>3069824
I tried. It's actually my first time drawing from a photo. Still doing drawabox exercises

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>>3070190
like clockwork

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Thoughts?

>>3069995
>anime
Guess you'll be here awhile, might as well share your name

>working on perspective drawing
>sit up straight
>see my lines are all crooked
Anyone else experience this feel?

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>>3070212
I was just not feeling the flow today. This was from a few days ago, and it looks better than my other pic imo.

>>3070206
Not him, I understand what that means, but how does that translate over to drawing from imagination?

>>3070211
I think it looks good, although I'm a beginner myself so I don't think I can be that big of a judge. I can say however that you seen to have shading down.

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Is this any good? I only just started using a tablet i usually draw on paper

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taking a break from figure drawing. How's this? What does the kanji mean?

>>3070235
Nice ass.
That being said I personally think there needs to be something showing where the hair ends and the neck begins; maybe some color, maybe some sort of line. Otherwise it just looks off to me.

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>>3067731

same anon from last time that kept drawing this guy.

i really tried my hardest to follow instruction on what the other anons told me.

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>>3070236

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>Spend roughly two hours drawing.
>This is all I come up with.
Is this normal for art or am I just particularly bad at it?
Also, any criticisms?

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Here's some recent stuff. Hopefully posting here and getting some feedback would motivate me more.

>>3070233
when you train your eye well to measure accurately and correctly that means your studies aren't "incorrect" and that means you're internalizing and learning "correct" information to integrate into pieces from your imagination

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>>3070242

>>3070241
just draw from reference lmao

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>>3070246
I did. Technically. I used this as a reference and took a few creative turns with it.

>>3070241
Looking good!

>>3070241
think of when you look at an eye on a person. whether its regular conversation or like you're looking at rick's face in walking dead for way longer than you should.

no eye is that bright ever, and the iris is more or less one blob of color with extremely small imperfections that can only be made with colors extremely similar to the iris color. your white lines on the blue dont really look like that. consequently, our heads kind of perceive the pupil as like a void that consumes all who enter it, but really its just like a solid black circle. your pupil kind of his like an evil aura surrounding it.

>>3069823 isnt too good of a reference to catch what im saying, but its the best in the thread i guess. look at her eyes and try to follow what they look like instead of having your brain fill in the blanks for what your life has led you to believe eyes look like.

>>3070241
>>3070248
you're drawing with symbols friendo

take a proper look at that eye, you've kinda made it an oval when a normal eye will have angles when an eyelid's shut

I'll draw a quick sketch of what I mean if you want

>>3070244
yo, I don't really have a lot to say but that looks really fucking dope

are you still studying the anatomy of the animals while you do it though? don't just go off references, if you are

the leg of the upper left bird on the left looks like it shouldn't quite bend that way, goes a bit too far back and is a bit too curved

>>3070237
Thanks. So just the hair?

so like, for absolute beginners the only suggestion is to draw from reference? Can it be any reference, or should it only be realistic stuff/photos?

>>3070259
ive been drawing for my whole life, but i didnt start attempting to draw realistic images and not cartoons until recently, like maybe the past year or so. i find that if you can do the most realistic image from imagination, you can draw anything. but in order to understand what looks realistic in your head properly, and not what your brain assumes because you haven't toned it for drawing, looking at references is a great way to train yourself to do so.

>>3070258
That's all I could think of.
Maybe the hand, but it could just be a case of perspective.

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>>3070259
drawing from just plain reference is a bad idea. If you're going to do that, at least spice it up by mixing poses, adding features, etc.

it's gonna hinder you when it comes to actual design. just remember, proko drew this despite the fact that he obviously has a good grasp of the fundamentals, coming from his tutorials.

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>>3069823
>>3069824
>>3069826

>>3070171
thanks for the advice, I didn't exactly apply it with these studies but it does give me bit of an objective aside from just straight up understanding form and perspective(which I don't). The reason I stopped with that study was because I thought I would gain more by just moving on, would you suggest just putting in the time to "finish"? I'm always afraid of just over-polishing a turd

>>3070267
is that billy herrington

>>3070268
it ended up being him, yes

>>3070257
Thanks friend! I wasn't studying animal anatomy. I was just practicing breaking down stuff into simple shapes and form with some hatching put in. These drawings were just a side thing while doing the 250 boxes challenge from drawabox.

>>3070269
maybe you should draw billy and see how it turns out

>>3070295
on it, boss

>>3070305
I WANT SIX HOT PORTRAITS IN MY THREAD RIGHT NOW!!!

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>>3069822
Doing Vilppu shit. How's it going?

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what am i even doing

>>3069914
Draw a few more faces like that, THEN look at a tutorial on how to draw heads and faces. You will understand the tutorial better if you've already attempted on your own what it's teaching

>>3070318
dude regardless of how it looks (i think its pretty alright) i commend you for drawing landscapes cause no one wants to do that and they're pretty important in art.

my biggest critique is that the background sky contrasts way too much. like if you were in an actual forest you would rarely see the sky like that.however i think some more stuff to indicate that this image is near the edge of a forest would work. maybe more grass, but waterfalls tend to not really be near an edge, they're pretty intertwined in a forest (from my experience) so this whole image is kind of strange but aesthetically pleasing to me.

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>>3069823
Yet another symbol drawn turd. Making drawings this bad just makes me sad.

>>3070318
eric... improving?

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>>3070252
>>3070251
This better?

>>3069995
>>3070220
leave beg

>>3070376
leave /ic/

>>3070352

Draw from a reference, copy said reference, show your reference compared to your drawing.

Your image is really just symbolic drawing to the max, when not opened, it looks like an eye from the old Runescape.

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>>3070352
alright, very much quick and dirty example, based on your reference. please don't do hatching like this.

>>3070400
thought everything is accurate, id recommend you delete your comment before the onslaught of hate if youre sensitive.

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hello

>>3070352
Better but miles of room for improvement. Compare your eye and the reference side by side and just try to find every single difference between them. Don't let your brain assume anything about the eye let your eyes do all the work from what they see from your reference

>>3070405
i know youre learning to draw for your fetishes, but maybe just let them go for a while/

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Taken from a reference of an older thread.

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>>3070408

>>3070401
How come?

>>3070400
You should work on your chicken scratching mate.

>>3070412
I know ahaha, as I said it was just a very quick example. It is a problem though, I've been trying to stick to longer lines to avoid it, my tablet just isn't comfortable enough for it tho

>>3070316
pretty good

>>3069963
Gtfo my /beg/

>>3070415
How so
I'll see if the draw thread will accept me, but I doubt it

>>3070417
not him, but I think you need to work on posturing. the upper shots feel very stiff.

>>3070413
Other than than that your example for the other anon is fine.

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>>3070407
see, thing is is i'm not learning to draw for my fetishes, i just tend to drop my fetish art in these threads

>>3070418
Very right - everything I've produced so far is stiff as a board. I'll do that and some other things before I leave /beg/

>>3070420
Look man, I don't get it. You clearly have skill, but why do you continue to draw your heads like they're 0% forehead? Like, that sketch right there has the potential to become a great piece.

>>3070421
Yeah, I need to do the same, along with a million other things. We'll make it tho

>>3070422
Skill doesn't make up for bad taste, unfortunately.

>>3070422
i've been working on making them have more forehead, like hleet here>>3070405
i tried to give her more forehead and actually use the 50% rule for eyes and restrain my usual need to emphasize mouths to give things a more feral expressive feel

>>3070425
That's fair. Personally I'd say the neck/collarbones need to be moved down to merge with the upper torso, the triangular look just doesn't fit.

>>3070427
fair point, i was wanting to invoke an almost conan neck, cause she's the god of conquerors, but i realize it seems a little giraffe like

>>3070235
Love this style and the dynamism of the pose
However the hands suck ass

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New symbolic index

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Just started on hands for my daily drawing thing. So help me out here

>>3070441
It's very hard to pick out anything wrong with them other than the fingernails, and the apparent flatness, which could be solved simply by hatching directionally inside the contours

Try to vary your lineweight

>>3070445
Noted. I have a whole week of hand drawing to get my stuff together so I'll take all critiques.

>>3070408
Don't draw every single tooth, it makes extremely creepy

>>3069947
Yea, I didn't really pay attention to the lips, thanks.

>>3069954
Pixel art doesn't mean low effort art.

>>3069945
Notice meee

is it cheating if I grayscale an image before pencil drawing it?

>>3070542
no rules only tools

>>3070542
No
In fact it is better to do that as a beginner because it's easier to learn to see values that way.

>>3070542
No rules only tools.

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Drew a dude a day, now deciding to attempt the impossible and spend more than 20 minutes a day on my whimful desire to learn to draw
I'll be dumping my work here and make you guys my source of solidary motivation, apologies in advance

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I feel like I'm just treading water. I'm slightly quicker at setting out proportions, albeit if it still doesn't look like the references. I want really nice, clean readable values but just keep churning out the same looking shit :(

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>>3070267
>>3070312
fantastic taste, fellow brothers

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Other than errors in proportion, the head being too small for the body, what are my mistakes?

>>3070641
Tits seem to have some kind of magical force pushing them upward and outward. Stage right thigh has some weird forshortening going on. Face hasn't got very much good going for it, it lags behind your other anatomy very significantly.

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I'm so fucking mad, I want to slit my wrists. I'm never going to progress, I'm just a dumb loser failure.

>>3070644
Thanks. I'll do more tomorrow and hopefully it will be better than today

>>3070645
Take a holiday off /ic/ dude, this isn't healthy

>>3070376
B-but style thread just tells me to come back here..

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This is the lined version of a painting I plan on doing. How is this looking - besides the fact that it is a general wow ogre design? I tried to capture in 3pt perspective, the camera looking up, while the ogre is hunching over the pot. Are there any huge mistakes? Thanks.

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>>3070663
Sry forgot to resize, here it is:

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Tried to feel some color. Or something like that.

>>3070641
Face is crowded into the bottom half of the head .Barely any shoulders. Breasts don't hang off body properly, seemingly having unnatural lift causing cleavage. Torso is long, and drawn at various angles. Hips lack width and definition especially to the hindquarters. Navel placed too low. Overall it feels like if you cover half it's two different bodies

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>>3070672

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First time working with gouache. I'm going to be using it for most one of my uni classes so I wanted to become familiar with it. Critiques and tips appreciated! Used a ref from the ref thread.

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Self portrait, just lineart. What does you think ?

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>>3069823

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>>3070729
Sorry, resize version.

>>3070740
you drew construction lines then didn't even follow them

>>3070740

You look like an old man trying a hip hairstyle, use less lines

I know you have to draw what you see but with lineart every line you add to the face adds age.

>>3070645
Take a chill pill anon. I know how you feel. I've been "drawing" (one terrible sketch every 6 months) for a few years because I went into it wanting to make something that looked good that I could be proud of. But that's just not possible. You have to suck at first in order to git gud. You have to suck for a long time (kek) before you can make something that looks how you see it in your head.

Don't go into a drawing trying to make something beautiful and perfect. Go in and make fucking garbage. Embrace the piles of shit you make. We all make them. Embrace them and learn from them. That's the most important part. You're not an artist yet, you're a learner and you're drawing to learn, not to make art.

You will progress, and you're not a failure until you give up. As long as you're still drawing, even if everything you draw is shit, you are not a failure. My drawings and paintings are fucking garbage, and are barely fit to even go in /beg/ they're so bad. Hell that drawing you just posted is better than anything I've ever done. But I just draw to have fun, so I draw, I have fun, and that's that. Nothing is lost from me sucking, but if I never draw because I suck, I lose out on the fun I get to have despite sucking at art.

So don't give up, and don't call yourself a failure. Just have fun, and if you aren't having fun, do something else that IS fun (and hopefully productive.) I love you bro.

>>3070734
she has a very square jaw and your image has an angular jaw. her cheeks don't bulge out like that either and her eyebrows are perfectly narrow. in yours one is higher than the other

>>3070772
on the painting her head is rotated, her eyebrows are actually on the right height (not that anon)

everything i draw i end up thinking looks like shit or mediocre so i dont flesh it out and thus only have a few sketches ive kept. i mean i think im getting better, but i wonder some times if its counter productive to not follow through and finish a sketch, even if i know it will be a turd. anyone else do this? is this generally seen as a bad habit?

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>>3069823

im going to graduate from beginner thread this summer i know i can do it \o/

>>3070770
Thanks anon. That's very reasonable. I need to stop worrying if I make a bad drawing, even if it's a worse drawing than the last one. I need to drill it into me that even with big mistakes I learn and get better.

I have a lot of fun imagining drawings that I could make when I get better. I know I'll have endless fun once I'm good enough to just start drawing whatever and have it come out looking decent, when I can just let my ideas flow through me. I have fun looking at my work when it comes out looking alright.

I wouldn't call the process of drawing fun though. At best, I get into the flow of it. When I do get into the flow, that's something I feel is more important than fun. To be able to zone out and face a challenge that's at my level, coming out not being able to guess how much time was spent, feels like I've done something.

Sorry for the blog, I know, just draw more. Sorry for my neurotic whining earlier too, that's probably not encouraging for other beginners.

>>3070794
It's still a different head shape. The painted girl has a rounder cheek line and less pronounced, softened features.

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>>3069824
literally my first time drawing anything with genuine effort since i was in middle school

i honestly burst out laughing at certain points of drawing this, it looked so bad. it was kinda fun. i feel like i've got a long way to go though. i can't quite pinpoint what exactly makes it look so different from the original picture. is it the length of the face or something?

>>3070815
I agree with the rest yeah, I just didn't agree with the eyebrows.

>>3070645
Of course you're never going to make it only doing one of these every other day.

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>>3070734
i've got no right to post a red line, and i had to do this with my mouse but you get the idea probably

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Visual library is dying, thumbnails

>>3070811
It's all good anon. I've been dealing with pretty severe clinical depression so I know what it feels like to crave death when shit doesn't meet my expectations. Just gotta breathe and truck on.

I "finished" learning to draw in line from observation. Do I now learn values from observation or line from imagination? Also how.

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I tried drawing a puppers to calm myself down. It's not nearly as cute as the reference though. Oh well.

>>3070857
Practice forms.

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getting back into free hand sketching for the first thyme in a decade. Been printmaking for the last 5 years and painting portraits for the last 15 months.

>>3070872

Still a cute pupper

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I just want to be able to quickly draw things to impress girls. Am I on the right track?

>>3070941

my pussy just got so wet from looking at that drawing

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>>3069823
critiques so far on pencil outline/sketch?

what should i change and redlines wanted

will color after i fix it

>>3070941
Drawing doesn't impress girls
In the best case scenario it starts a conversation

>>3070956
Her left eye touches the outline of her face in the ref, it's miles away in your drawing
You've turned all of her face to the camera a fair bit

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I started drawing a certain actress but fucked up and it became its own thing. Tell me everything that's wrong with this

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>>3070956
The angle that you drew at was completely different than the reference. Your face came out flat, the eyes and mouth were not forms but rather just symbols. Everything was off. You need to practice your foundation forms more and draw objects no symbols. Redlining was not possible since the foundation was so flawed, it resulted in my just redrawing everything. Keep trying and good luck!

>>3070975
Don't chicken scratch, commit to your lines so that the intent of the drawn form is clear.

I hope none of you are falling for this line tool faggot's shitty redlines.

>>3070991
Sorry! Won't do it again.

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I was disappointed in how he puppers came out so I tried drawing a cowboy on top. I can't draw small, everything looks weird when I try :S

>>3070662
Just stay wherever you want and ignore that boy.

>>3070455
to explain this, just do the outline of all the teeth, maybe with a notch in the inner side of the canine or something

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>>3070734
>not a 1:1 copy
>/beg/ panics
>loomis didnt mention this!?
>"uhm the jaw's different"

>>3070991
What's wrong with them? Looks like he's just pointing out where the ref's angles are different

t. beginno

>>3071037
Do you understand the point of a study?

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Wasn't as bad as it looked daunting at first

Fun exercise, I can see myself doodling these during lectures. T-this isn't one of those meme exercises that are actually a waste of time, right?

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Had a dream about Tom & Jerry meeting the Abyss Watchers from Dark Souls 3 and decided to draw them. How does Toms back look?

>>3071044
to help understand how to draw/paint something for a final piece. this looks like an experiment in stylisation and not a 1:1 study (they've added extra shit like the top of the head etc) so it'd be more helpful to talk about their use of perspective or how appealing the piece is.

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>>3071045
It's definitely a meme

>>3069956
Graph paper

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>beginners giving advice to other beginners

>>3071065
>containment thread is cancer

who would have thought

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skintones hard

>>3070734
the cheeks are too low

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>>3071065
>Beginners making fun of other beginners that are giving advice to other beginners.

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>>3071037
>half of the critiques in the thread are always "differs from the reference here, here and here"
>half of the drawings have no replies
>once in a blue moon you get people offering insight into what the artist seems to be struggling with and how to study and practice to fix that issue

i'm pretty sure the point of these threads is just to give people a place to post shit drawings with no consequence because posting your work keeps you motivated to keep drawing. you'd have to have some hell of a work ethic to grind out hundreds of hours of fundamentals and never show anyone anything you've drawn.

>>3071076
>>half of the critiques in the thread are always "differs from the reference here, here and here"
what's wrong with this? beginners make poor copies of studies because their eyes aren't keen enough to notice why their piece looks off and what to do to fix it.

>>3071081
issue is that that's just an issue of construction and it's incredibly easy to see. critique that actually helps people improve (e.g. how to construct better, how to render better, what they're doing wrong with line execution, etc) is rare

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Fuck my shit up

>>3071091
lazy art gets lazy critique

Does it take longer to learn how to draw faces than it does to draw an okay looking figure?

I'm just having a really hard time drawing heads and faces... they just seem so dense and complex.

>>3071091
Most art here is at a level where they shouldnt be doing portrait studies. Then they ask what they are doing wrong when it's that they dont have the foundations and the answer is to practice foundations. They need to be able to view and conceptualize objects as 3 dimensional objects with set form. That comes from drawing simple objects and increasing the complexity of the form. So honestly most critiques here comes back to practice your foundations.

>>3070267
over-polishing a turd is only really applicable when you're trying to make a nice piece of art, when you're doing a study as long as you keep noticing mistakes and fixing them you're learning things. So, unless it's at the point where everything is so far off that you have no idea how to salvage it, overpolishing is good

>>3070734
Too slutty.

>>3070816
You kinda get the feature placement. I suggest studying each features anatomy to get a good grasp on the shapes. Proko have videos on the anatomy. Just his anatomy structure videos. Watch his "how to draw" videos if you want but personally I don't like his way of drawing.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLGpRz--kwL-S1Z3cDjUuD_mtAedCCB0R

>>3070941
If you can see the shapes you want. Make a new layer and refine it.

>>3070956
Google (Dorian-Iten Accuracy)

>>3071045

The goal is to have a good grasp for perspective before moving on to more complex subject.

>>3071098

Yes, face is fucking hard. I see a lot of working artist still rely on ref for faces. They can draw amazing monsters and mech though...

Anyone has tips on Painting?

This applies to more a traditional method as opposed to a Digital.

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>>3070978
>>3070967
thank you so much for helping me notice i didnt even realize how off the angle of her face was

i tried to fix it based on your redline, thoughts?

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Drawing puppies is so calming

I can screw up a decent amount and they still kinda look like puppies

>>3071119
ref like guidelines? the circle stuff

>>3071136
the bottom one looks pretty good and cute

>>3071133
Better but the eyes are still flat symbols of the same size.

>>3071137

Ref like photo reference.

>>3070806
I wouldn't count on it.

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>>3071146
UPDATE

>>3071156
Much better!

>>3071093
Stop shaking when you ink.
Pros. You've created a nicely constructed cartoon that would work very well in a game or cartoon.
Cons: If you're not building for a cartoon or game, you should probably consider more detail.

>>3071153
damn...

>>3071156
now add muscles

if I'm just learning the fundamentals at this point am I allowed to "draw what I want" for fun or should I just stick with figure drawings and boxes/3d objects for perspective

>>3071204
you can draw what you want but don't expect it to look good

>>3071204
Why would you not want to "draw what you want?" Does someone have a gun to your head telling you that you're not allowed to have fun?

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>>3071065
I 80% painted face she made before that one

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>>3071076
I painted this drunk

How to I find the passion to draw original things?

I find myself enjoying editing art, rather than drawing completely original art.

Editing existing art and working on the fine edges in digital media puts me at ease, but working with pen and paper stresses me out. No matter how badly I do in photoshop, I don't feel bad, I just keep working at it. With original drawings, however, I just want to quit. Why is this?

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>>3070981
I painted this meme also

>>3071211
I thought it might be counter-productive at such an early level of development to do so

>>3071215
bc you never learned fundies and editing art is easy

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>>3071215
>How to I find the passion to draw original things?
do whatever you want to do.
>I find myself enjoying editing art, rather than drawing completely original art.
Find a weigh to do that that is novel and interesting and if it looks like shit just hope that maybe you're just ahead of your time.
>Editing existing art and working on the fine edges in digital media puts me at ease, but working with pen and paper stresses me out. No matter how badly I do in photoshop, I don't feel bad, I just keep working at it. With original drawings, however, I just want to quit. Why is this?
Everything is easier when nothing matters and everything is more stressful when it can't easily be undone. There's no wabi sabi. You're never married to any mistakes and you're never forced to innovate solutions. You don't have to make concessions or sacrifices or experience the punishment from mistakes you make that can goof on hours of work.

Its like grinding versus gambling maybe? It's a lot harder to find the mistakes that make you unique when you have cntl z.

>>3071204

Apply what you learn to your own work.

Learn and Apply.

>>3070975
I'm guessing you're going for Cara, maybe? y'all need to chill with the chicken scratch

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>>3071133
colored update on this
just did flat brush to lay out everything but plan on maybe rendering n adding detail

pls critique
i feel like the face got a little moved to the center

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Is it okay to laugh at other beginners' drawings?

>>3071256
If they're doing something like that then sure. But if they're actually trying to get somewhere then no.

>>3071215
post an example?
>>3071231
the canvas texture makes these hard to look at but the thumbnails look nice

>>3071254
do it over you'll only keep making a mess
this time try to not zoom in until you're at the detail stage. instead of drawing the eye as an outlined O, blot in a square/rectangle. But most importantly don't zoom in.

>>3071262
It's furry shit which I don't think is allowed

>>3071276
Just post it.

>>3071254
You're not looking at what you're painting. You painted her eyeballs from straight on, when they're at an angle, same for the mouth. I don't even know what you're trying to do with the nose. I don't think you're at the skill level for this, yet, you need to go back and study the face, and how it's constructed, and how to draw it at an angle, before you try this.
For the record, you're making the same mistakes most beginners use. Focus, and look at what you're painting. You're just guessing at everything at this point, and you'll never learn from that.

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>>3071276
Well, I made an edit of this where I removed the furry OC in the back. It's a bit unfinished with the ground lighting and right leg but I enjoyed doing it.

>>3070267
Knowing when to stop is something a lot of artists struggle with. There are stories of famous painters, who would sneak into a gallery the night before an opening, for "just a little more!" God knows I ruined my share of paintings, overworking them.
I've tried to learn to reach a point where it's good enough, if it's a sketch. I've developed a feeling for "done" for paintings, from experience, especially commercially, when I'm on a deadline.
You'll polish some turds, but each one will teach you when to stop. I'll often now do a detailed sketch, and then put it away for a few weeks/months, and revisit it, and look at it with fresh eyes, and either do more, or leave it alone.

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Total beginner here, I tried to do the upside down Picasso thing... It's too fucked to fix it, I'd rather do something else...

>>3071290
so like this kind of stuff?
>>>/w/2025262

If its what you wanna do go for it man.

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>>3070318
First, stop using black, unless it's actually there.
Two, learn to use color to control values. You have the same values in every plane of space, and it flattens it overall.
Learn to paint trees and leaves more realistically. You can paint every leaf, or you can indicate leaves - what you're doing is cartooning.
Doing landscapes means studying landscape. Figure out how it all works. How to trees work, ow does bark work, branches, what the transition from trunk to ground (each species is different), what do rocks look like, near water, what does water look like, going over a fall?
It's very unlikely a waterfall like this would have a full canopy overhead. Very few rocks are the same shape - I love drawing and painting rocks and their facets and shapes and textures.
Go hit up Flickr for waterfall shots, and start studying them. Paint from them, as reference. Start studying the colors, reflected light, shadows, and values of nature. Learn composition - yours here leads the eye from the waterfall, right out of the bottom of the painting, instead of leading the eye around the painting. You've framed the painting with a black line along the top (no trees in daylight would be that dark), use the same green, and make the whole piece feel dark and cramped. There's no energy in the view, no angles, it's all up and down and horizontals, making a rigid grid for the eye. You have no lighting composition - some rocks have highlights, others don't.

>>3071304
that's more of an example to show you WHY you're doing something, not a how to do something.

Don't let it get you down, start watching some proko vids. They're strangely comforting and motivating.

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>>3071290

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>>3069830

>>3071076
Judging by the number of posts falling apart mentally and emotionally failing at a drawing, I'm shocked anyone answers here.

>>3071290
oh no this isnt allowed

>>3071290
In your case I'd stop using cell shading and put more emphasis into learning values.

I can't do 30 second quick sketches and create a recognizable figure
what do

>>3071339
No one can and I think it's a waste of time.

>>3071343
prokopenko can

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>>3069823
I can't fix this

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>>3071347

I'm having trouble groking gesture the way proko teaches it. He says "do gesture, not outline" and then proceeds to pretty much draw both in the figure

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>>3071347
I'd honestly love to know what anyone gets out of these retarded quickdraw memes.

>>3071361
the gesture something holds is where certain landmarks are on the object/person/animal. Getting this right means that you have much less stiff, more dynamic, better poses. The difference between this and outline is that the gesture positions the figure, portraying the body language or dynamic you see in the pose, and the outline is the actual drawing itself

>>3071364
you're doing it wrong

>>3071366
I understood his explanations well enough, but actually watching him put it into practice, he did it so well and seamless that (at least to me) it was incredibly difficult to differentiate where he stopped doing gesture and where he started with the outline

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>>3071274
>>3071280
y would i completely restart lol

made some improvements keep giving critique

>>3071377

Features not in perspective. Skull shape is wrong.

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I am good at drawing animals with hard edges like turtles lizards and even animals with solid outlines like seals and fish, but I REALLY struggle with furry critters. Any tips on rendering fur traditionally? Ideally just with a few shades of Copic and pencil/pen (maybe brush-pen)

>>3071254
way to polish a turd

>>3071391
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV-PQ0XSqtI

>>3071395
Thanks anon! This video seems like gold!

>>3071212
kek. I would hang that on my wall proudly.

>>3071377
Look at your turd. Now look at your reference. Spot the differences.

Done? Good. Now try again.

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>>3071382
>>3071405
>>3071377
I HATE THIS ALL THIS CRITIQUE IS MAKING ME STRESSED TO FIX EVERYTHING

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>>3071377
um, here's a paintover. it's a gif

>>3071411
just start over, you have to ditch this "my drawings are sacred" sunk cost fallacy mindset
the more you do the drawing over from scratch the better you'll get. You can't fixed something that was flawed from the start.

>>3071418
this is the shittiest advice i've ever seen. anon is obviously a beginner so everything he makes will look more or less the same kind of bad. scrapping work and starting all over when he's not even done isn't going to make him improve. Ruan Jia polishes turds for months until they look good

>>3071423
>pot
>kettle
>black
you can make as many different frostings as you want, it's not gonna fix the burnt cake underneath

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>>3071425
>analogy, nigga

>>3071435
>

>>3071411

You're struggling? Good. Means you're learning. Stop trying to fix things that you can't see right now and move on to other practice.

Draw skulls/features anatomy. Do it for a week then come back to this ref if you want.

Pretty much practice everything like this. People point out your flaws. Do practice focusing on those specific flaws.

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>>3071262
yeah something about how the phone takes the picture makes it look weird to look at for some reason.
>>3071402
ere breh. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM0Gtgu4ynY
I'm about to start shooting a goof how to series if you want to sub that'd be dope. Will be selling prints and other stuff and giving away stuff and idk

>>3071454
Looks good, only three are finished, right?

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can you guys help me with the hips and waist anatomy? I'm having trouble to connect the torso to the legs

also general critiques are appreciated

>>3071377
You're making worse mistakes on top of previous mistakes.

But if you want butt smooching instead of advice, go for it. I won't bother trying to help you anymore.

>>3071454

I would hide one of these somewhere in the shitter. Some place you can only see when you sit down.

>>3071454
One of the best things to come out of /ic/ honestly

>>3071466
>>3071466
>>3071466

>>3071466
>>3071466
>>3071466

>>3071466
>>3071466
>>3071466

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>>3071458
yeah this is closer to what it would look like now
>>3071472
ironically I've thought of marketing prints of them to bars to hang at eye level of urinals in their bathrooms because a lot of them totally work as mfw reactions to your dingus.
>>3071473
ere brah

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How do horses and figures and small faces work? Asking for a friend

>>3071546
draw bigger

look at what horses look like and try drawing that.

>>3069882
Do you still have that reference photo?

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>>3069823
too used to drawing anime. trying to learn how to draw properly, critique welcome

>>3071580
nope
it was from one of the /beg/ threads so idk if it's archived somewhere or something

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>>3069823

>>3069882
This is really good. I think you lost a beautiful curve under her arm though. It got too rounded and smoothed over. See it?

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>>3069824

crit pls

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>>3069822
Oh god, please help.

>>3073139
is that a pooper on that peeper

>>3072832
His lower face should be longer.