/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

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every woman i draw ends up being too thicc

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>>3061042
>too thicc

>>3061039
you are increasing in skill but that face you keep insisting on drawing is absolutely abysmal

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>Medium: acrylic on jean jacket
This is based on the album cover of the band Strawberry Switchblade.

>>3061047
WIP

>>3061039
8.5/10

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I've read Perspective Made Easy, took notes, thought to start with Loomis but realized I'm lost with trying to place those boxes in space, that aren't parallel to the ground plane. Hence I'll work through Scott Robertson first and nail my perspective down. I don't want to draw humans anyway, pic related makes fun of randomly shaded, poofy anime hair styles, in hopes to break the ice of having to study the anatomy of hairless apes. ngmi

>>3061047
>Strawberry Switchblade
my afro-american

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how do i shade on a tablet?

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>>3061051
On a more serious note, I also tried to feel the gesture and basic shapes of a mantis, fucked up and learned something from it. After some grinding of perspective, I'll go and draw this again, grounded in perspective.

>>3061067
with the blur tool, depending on which software you're using

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>>3061079

>blur tool

>>3061067

There are a lot of ways but the most common is big brush, low opacity and eraser. Paint and erase as needed.

>>3061084
Maybe smudge will work better?

>>3061069
a BABY MANTIS!!

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This was a study i made, mainly of the hair since everything else is rubbish, what is the worst part that i should work on?
>inb4 everything

>>3061035
Why didn't they explain him how to hold a gun?

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>>3061067
wow that makes quite a difference

>>3061067
You can do it with hatching like you do on paper. Or rather like you would do on paper if you learnt how to do it.

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>>3061116

>>3061120
I don't know if you're being sarcastic but shading takes more than a few minutes, and it's a skill. Try blending with the white instead of just smearing around all the dark.

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How do I get good at shading? Please no bully.

>>3061152
Practice.

Crazy I know, right? But it really works. (Professional artists DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW!)

>>3061136
rendering is the easy part desu
it just takes time

>>3061162

It's so easy you must be really good at it... Post work.

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My 3rd anime person drawing and first one without looking at any other pictures
Pls shit on it as freely as you can

>>3061171
pls rotate and resize your picture, anon

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>>3061182
apologies
im new here

I'm at a dilemma
I don't feel like I'm actually learning anything by drawing the same things over and over again, just repeating the same mistakes and not learning how to improve on them.
what do

>>3061162
Why are you replying to me?

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wake up drawing to get the JUICES FLOWING

>>3061192
It's not me it's some other anon.

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I feel like the face and feet are garbo.

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>>3061028

I'd say I tried, but not really. My tablet always fucks up my wrist real bad for some reason.

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I'm watching the "Dynamic Sketching 1 With Peter Han" from the sticky
How will I know when I've done a line/arc/wave correctly?

There's gonna always be a little natural variation

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Can anyone help me fix the right arm?

>>3061225
The arms are too small and the feet are hella small. Go find a ref pic of a woman standing and take note how big the arms are in relation to her body. The left foot, while small, has a nice shape to it.

>>3061275
Her right or our right?

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So i went out and bought a Wacom Intuos on a whim, should i just sell it again?

>>3061278
Eh, help me with both if you don't mind.

>>3061281
No. Watch proko and practice drawing eyes, nose mouth etc. Everything in this pic is symbol drawing.

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>>3061039
Fixed. I honestly don't know why you continue on with those faces, when your bodywork shows you can do much, much better.

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>tfw another day wasted not drawing by mindlessly scrolling past /ic/ and other boards

How do I get out of this hole?

>>3061158

Aside from practice what should I be reading or watching?

>>3061313
a self help book probably

>>3061302
by drawing

Get no better at drawing humans from my brain no matter how much I practice haha

>>3061319
what do i draw

>>3061152
Try using a tortillion desu

>>3061327
a cow eating grass

alright so I've been doing 2 minute figure drawings for the past two days
now what

>>3061332
construction

Been staring at a blank page for a few hours now. Apparently I can't draw what I want, so I need to force myself to draw shit I don't enjoy drawing to get better. But it's a lot easier to just procrastinate, so I do that. How does /ic/ force itself to grind boring fundamental exercises?

>>3061344
Open ref folder, find something, do a type of study. Just draw what's in front of you, don't worry about anything else.

>>3061346
I like doing portrait studies, but anon told me I'm just going in circles and not improving by doing that.

>>3061347
It's people who say those types of things that hurt you. It gets you questioning what's right and wrong, when really, as long as you keep working, you'll improve. Just keep doing what you're doing.

>>3061325
Then use references to help your brain out a little bit.

>>3061347
>>3061351
If you're the same anon that's struggling with symbol drawing then yeah, take a break from faces for a little bit. Sounds like you're in a bit of a rut, draw things that are unfamiliar to you, things you don't usually draw. Maybe dogs? Cars? Machinery? Still life? Buildings? Draping fabric? Hair? Maybe even a mecha or something or an alien.

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>>3061029

finally found a comfortable and fast way to draw an eye... I've suffered for so long. Now to figure out nose and lips....

One step at a time.

>>3061327

Start drawing lines and simple shapes triangle, square, circle. That will trigger your drawing mood. Then you find photo of simple objects and start drawing that. Better if you save a bunch in a folder so you don't have to scour the internet and waste more time.

I always draw fruits and try to render the heck out of it to the best of my ability when I get frustrated with other shit.

>>3061383
Mind posting some fruits you have done? Curious as to what level of rendering you take them.

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Sometimes I get a neat idea for a drawing, pick up my pencil, consider what I need to draw, then toss my pencil down because I know I can't do it.

If I try, I just make shit that makes me feel bad to look at.

"oh hey I'll try drawing a bunch of doors in perspective, floating in space on mounds of earth. add a couple figures in the foreground, looking towards the middlemost door, each holding a key"

I got this far before realizing I'm too retarded to do anything with this. I feel bad for trying. at least you guys can get a laugh out of my shitty failure.

>>3061386
Fug anon, that's cool as fug. Keep at it, your ideas will bloom more as your drawing ability does.

>>3061386
Your spirit holds the key to your allegory, and the drawing will follow it every time.

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>>3061385

shit level. not even color. T_T

>>3061399
>mfw I can't even do half as good a job as what you call "shit level"
>mfw I have no face

>>3061327
i usually start by picking one of the references in this thread, then go from there.

>>3061386
ganbatte anon-kun
but for the love of fuck, stop chicken scratching

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>>3061428
ok i'll try

but it's a hard habit to kick

>>3061476
Can you stop shitting up the thread? The more you keep up the 10-year-old attitude the more time you spend in a mental shithole. Quit crying and draw more.

>>3061476
Why do you care if they're bummed out? They're probably already bummed out you're not a successful millionaire. One more bumming them out will mean nothing anyways.

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Hey guys, I could use some critique on this before working on it some more.

I want to make a graveyard theme with moonlight. I think I made the lighting too dark though. Also could use some help with the colors and value. Any tips or suggestions?

>>3061477
everything I draw is trash, I'm not learning anything when I practice. I'm too retarded to do anything. sorry but I'm just a constant failure.

>>3061025
can i get a fucking critique on this, i've posted in 2 threads with no replies
>>3057693
>>3057694 ref

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>>3061504
Maybe you're in the wrong thread.

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>>3061034
switched to digital the other and all confidence in my lines is shot.

changed the position of the head because I couldn't figure out the neck in the construction. Screwed up with the angle of the arms and the hand placement. cannot into values and abused the shit out of the blur tool

>>3061506
Woah it was like, every single angle that I screwed up

>>3061499
please take it to >>>/r9k/

>>3061513
sorry for the whiny blog, drawing just bums me out and makes me feel like shit. i don't know what else to do tho

>>3061515
Do you want to talk it out over discord or are you good pham?

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I have been fucking around with copics and pen and really liking it. I only have three (C1, C5, C7 All shades of cool grey from light to dark) and my darkest randomly explodes blobs of ink now and then.

I really enjoy the challenge of taking color images and remaking them with just the three tones but I feel like I should be adding just a few more. Maybe a couple of the light warm greys or something? Suggestions?

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>>3061556
Since I know someone is going to complain about me posting a half finished anime thingy here is something from a 3D/photo reference.

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One thing I can't get over is that I've always been dumber than everyone else. I can barely even put a sentence together when talknig to people.

Surely that would translate over to art skills as well? It kinda stucks knowing it might take me 4 years to get to where some people have in 2

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I've been drawing on/off since I was a kid (23 now), so I'm not a suuuper beginner, but I never read a book on drawing or actually learned. Trying to do that now.

Is it necessary to start with pencil/paper? I've been using a pen tablet for years, even though I don't draw that often, but am used to it. Is it important to go back to pencil/paper while learning the fundamentals? Or will I be okay sticking with my tablet?

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>>3061556
>posting a half finished anime thingy


Anyways, try messing around with different kinds of shading rather than filling in. I think you can do pretty well with what you have already

>>3061572
Why worry about that anon? You're you and so just worry about you. That comparing stuff will make you feel bad all the time. They're will almost always be someone better, but also someone worse. No one knows the answer except you and if you don't know yet, then keep drawing and tell us.

>>3061028
this is more like drawing drapery

>>3061572

>It kinda stucks knowing it might take me 4 years to get to where some people have in 2

Welcome to any skill you can learn ever lol.

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>>3061028

>>3061573
Many subjects are much quicker and easier to understand when using paper. The only thing I would recommend studying digitally is perspective so you don't have to hang strings off your paper to find vanishing points and shit.

Also its very important to draw from life and not a photograph and if you draw digitally you will most likely be compelled to draw from a photo

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Drawing from highschool a couple years back

>>3061683
Looks good, but you can work on adding darker values for contrast.
The angle of her body is also a bit off.

Drawing from highschool a couple years back>>3061689
I started when I was 15 with anime shit. I was terrible but developed really quickly. This was done when I was 17. 19 now. Slightly better. But my growth is stunted by the fact that I draw like once or twice a year. Also my biggest issue is that I can draw extremely well from a source. But from my imagination I'm worse than balls

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If I could stop symbol drawing like a FUCKING RETARDED CHILD I would be so goddamn happy

so goddamn happy

that fucking "see with your EYES retard" infographic doesn't help, the sticky doesn't help, I'm too fucking retarded for this shit and I'm so mad

>>3061653

>Do this
>Don't do this

Post your work.

>>3061710
Start small. Don't go into drawing portraits first since there's so much you need to do.

Start with say looking at eyes. Try drawing one eye and look at each dark, light and everything inbetween.
Or practice with some other small objects. Don't draw outlines, but the different shades.

>>3061712
OK well can you see why I'm confused into thinking I need to start with faces? OP posts literally only figures and faces, no fruit or other everyday objects, so I assumed that since this is a beginner thread, that I'm supposed to practice the first posts of the beginner thread. It's really demotivating to see that and think "oh I'm not even a fucking beginner, I'm somehow lower than that".

>>3061714
Oh no. That's going into too much at once.
When I started, I also had the problem. Mine was worse than yours.
Practiced with shading spheres, then eyes and so on. After about a week, I managed to stop symbol drawing for the most part.

>>3061721
Well shit, I've been practicing for months and I'm still symbol drawing. I'm such a retard. Sorry.

Anyway, for some reason I don't internalize what I'm doing when I try shading a sphere. I just go through the list of shadows to do it, and it feels like a mindless process. I don't know how to stop glazing over what I'm doing. Is there another way I can think about shading a sphere than just doing one type of shadow at a time?

>>3061714
it's not. what kind of mentality is this? if i posted just car refs would you focus on cars for until i stopped posting them? if you pinpointed issues yourself they'd stick with you better. your "wah im bad" attitude is a little aggravating to hear but then again it's normal at this stage. just keep drAwing Bro i belief in u

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How do I make her eyes look less autistic?

>>3061724
I don't think going through a list of shadows is too helpful.
I'd suggest practice shading for a bit. Doesn't have to be an object, just practice going from very light pencil drawing to darker gradually on paper.
Get used to the small differences in values.

>>3061732
The proportions and sizes are fucked. Unironically, Loomis.

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Just finished this. Thoughts, critiques? The moth is a bit off, this is one of the few times I drew a hand and the first time for the moth.

>>3061753
the thumbnail makes it look like an eye almost. now I want to see an optical illusion like that

Did you guys see this?
https://twitter.com/kawanocy

So all of you drawfags last thread asking whether or not you should should use an intuos small or bamboo...

>>3061753
It looks good but dithering is a bit of a meme that won't really help you improve but visually it looks cool.

>>3061760
aha okay, I just use it as a foolproof way to get some dynamic and texture to the picture. thanks

>>3061757
it does but it was not my intention. Cheers

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I was trying to work on some perspective and organic 3d forms but I accidentally drew sperm wriggling down a hole. Does this happen to anyone else?

>>3061765
To me it looks like a top down view of worms wiggling out of a wall maze.
I don't know what you were going for with the boxes, but they have inconsistent vanishing points.

Also you gotta work on those lines man, they're wriggling more than the sperm

>>3061767
My lines are bad but it's better than chicken scratching, right?

>>3061769
You know they made rulers for a reason bro...

>>3061710

try drawing faces upside down
like the other guy said, draw shades not lines

I'm also shit at this but it helps

How do I start "enjoying the process", how do I stop being so fucking spooked of even starting a drawing and how do I figure out what to draw/study?

It didn't used to be this way mayne

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Drew this today from reference. How do I into shading skin fampai?

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How do I learn to paint like this?

I posted this in the questions and answers thread but I think I was supposed to post it here..

I'm looking for an artist to give me tips on how and where to sell art. I would rather chat on skype/discord since I have multiple questions. (I use dA right now) but I guess here is fine too. Is dA a good place to sell art? Would it be better to do commissions or add premium content of the original files on the original resolution or should I focus on adoptables instead? I'm not that good but I'd still like to try to sell something

>>3061907
I also use redbubble btw and if there are more useful sites please let me know

>>3061710
You're getting better! This is a fantastic improvement!

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>>3061028
Criticize
I increased brightness and contrast on right one so it's better visible.

>>3061907
The only people I've seen get commissioned over and over again are artists that have a unique style and draw consistently, posting things every single day. Any large platform is good, I've seen sales over Twitter, Instagram, Tumblr, Etsy, and privately owned websites. Adoptables will get sales with younger/autistic crowds on dA but be prepared for your shit to get based if you're halfway decent. Another good place to sell are Artist Alleys at cons where you can sell prints, originals, or do on the fly sketches/take commissions. However, if you're really not good your best bet for sales is either for dA points from 13 year olds or start getting into the fetish business over at FurAffinity

>>3061922
I'm still in school and even after I finish that I won't be able to post a drawing every day because I will have to look for a job and simply won't have time for that.. I won't draw weird furry stuff because I'm disgusted by that but you gave some good advice thank you!

About selling art: Does anyone know how taxes work? Do you only have to worry about that when you earn a lot? And does redbubble do that stuff automatically or what extra stuff do you need to do? I don't know anyone in my country who sells art so I have no idea where to ask

>>3061938
I think that's a question for the IRS about your specific situation and what state you live in.

>>3061941
I don't know why you're assuming things because my country doesn't even have states.. What's IRS?

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Another symbol drawn turd. I want to punch myself in the head until I don't care about anything.

>>3061969
she looks like a friendly kind of grandma

>>3061969
Cut yourself some slack.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8pti-Swh_E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUM3SHNCfpM

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>>3061028
someone should draw that old man dressed like kaine
resemblance is uncanny

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Sorry to repost the same thing, but can someone help me with making the facial shape more feminine? All my faces look masculine.

>>3062017
Something about loomis or whatever

>>3062017
make a triangle shape. make it more narrow starting a bit under her eyes

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>>3062019
Looks better to me, although there are a lot of things fundamentally wrong with the head that I can't redo without leveling it entirely.

>>3062079
yeah the mouth is positioned wrong as well.. putting it higher should already help tho but then you probably have to make her head shorter as well else she might have a huge chin

>>3062017
giving her actual cheek bones would be a start and actual lips

>>3062079
You gotta fix those arms, bro. They're super tiny.
For feminine faces: soften the nose, lighten the line of the bridge and focus on making the button of the nose more round. Also accentuate the lips, you could part her mouth a bit. Gimme a second-

What are some long-form/term resources that require a minimal amount of reading, and focus on doing? I'm sick of textbooks.

>>3062086
women can have pointy noses, not every female face should be the same

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How shit is this? I know the anatomy isn't perfect but I was focusing more on values.

>>3062098
I'd cum on her stomach

next time use a grey background and go DARKER

>>3062017
Cheekbones friend, dont draw the head as a flat surface, construct it as a 3d object and that will help you understand where the cheeks go. Also femal jaws arent as pronounced.

>>3061046
Yeah, agreed. I understand anime is fun, but unless you're lazy I don't know why you wouldn't branch out and try something a little more complicated or original.

>>3061039
Im all for stylistic faces but the aesthetic is just ugly to me. Make sure you dont fall into a loop of only being able to work within your style. You should take more time to practice only faces because your bodywork is great!

>>3061047
The girl on the right is out of proportion compared to the other girl. Also, you should try putting more details into your necks. They aren't just sticks that hold up heads.

>>3062098
clean up your edges and it'll be perfect

>>3061969
Its really not that bad, try drawing with values instead of line. You can't really escape symbols if all you do is a line drawing.

>>3062098
I know you don't want comments on the anatomy but if her tit was more to the right it would look fine

>>3062118
I'm not the one you replied to (just in case you might think that) but I find it seriously hard to draw anime even faces already, is that normal?

>>3062143
all drawing is seriously hard, just because anime style is simplified doesn't mean you need to know less to draw it

>>3061225
Your body is so much better than your face. You need to practice in a more realistic style.

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>>3062118
>>3062105
I had done the Loomis head thing wrong, I *attempted* a fix.

>>3062083
Yeah, I had tried working with a bigger head because my flaw is always making heads too small.

>>3062086
I had went and fixed the arms and made the feet bigger, but I'm not too sure how to position the left foot. I'm still going through how to draw lips, I have the basics, but when I put it on a face it looks like garbage.

>>3062157
That's what I'm trying to do. I want to draw anime (lewds) but I understand that they had to go through the same exercises I'm going through now and it's realism before idealism.

>>3061689
Shading is cool, but why is she so un-realistic in shape? And where is her face? The neck looks super disappointing in comparison to everything else. Maybe faceless would be cool if neck was nice.

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>>3062079
Kind of extreme examples, but hopefully this helps a little bit
Bigger eyes will help a character look more feminine, but not crazy big. Adding a little bit of detail like cosmetics goes a long way, adding a thicker line around the eyes to give the illusion of eyeliner and adding some larger lashes. Darker lips and more shapely lips will help a lot, and lessening the sharpness of the face will give a daintier vibe. It's generic as fuck, but adding those kinds of small details or just one of those things will help feminine-ize your character. Personally, I think changing the lips would help the most, you have a lot of room to work with so you could add full lips, and maybe shaping the eyebrows a little bit.

>>3061732
First off make them fucking proportionate to the rest of her face.
Also, you gave her epicanthic folds. They're rare for white people (I have them, only reason I know) and unless you want your caucasion to have down syndrome probably disclude them.

>>3062171
Are you finnish?

>>3061985
Grandma? She's like 40 max

>>3062162
The right side of the torso seems to have collapsed into the armpit and both feet a broken including the lower leg to the left. Also tiny baby hands.

>>3062143
Considering you're on 4chan it wouldn't be unlikely that you might be somewhere on the spectrum. Which can mess with your facial recognition. It's not a general negative especially if you haven't noticed it before.
Even if not, everyone has their things. I can do beautiful faces, but my bodies look pretty fucking bad.

>>3062167
>"Masculine" example is a lady-boy

>>3062190
Ive been watching a show with a lot of pretty boys, my brain has been temporarily tainted.

>>3062186
what do you mean with spectrum?

>>3062186
I think I know what you're talking about now but I don't have trouble with faces or recognizing faces, I just can't draw well

>>3062173
>Finnish 0.0%

British&Irish 38.8%
French&German 16.6%
Scandinavian 3.5%
Broadly Northwestern European 27.3%
Iberian 1.9%
Balkan 1.4%
Broadly Southern European 2.8%
Ashkenazi Jewish 0.2%
Broadly European 7.4%
Native American <0.1%

Thought you might be interested, since you asked.

>>3062195
Autism spectrum. I just mean lightly autistic.

>>3062162
move her mouth up and give a lower lip (just a little line)

>>3062202
I'm pretty sure I'm not

>>3062200
>Ashkenazi Jewish 0.2%
GET HIM!

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>>3062215

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thoughts?

>>3062225
The lighting on her body looks less like lighting and more like pieces of paper slithering down her.
Also some parts like her hair look very clear while her face is less focused.
I don't really know what else. Apart from those it looks good

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I haven't done any shading yet, but I was wondering what you guys think of what I have so far.

>>3062218
hot

>>3062240
I really like it so far, I'm digging the style you're going for.

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>>3062246
Thanks, I'm trying to go for a sort of medieval painting look.

>>3062239
k thanks anoan

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any of you SMELLY CUNTS got a picture of that one Brazilian girl with her tongue out that was posted here a while ago?

I was drawing it but didn't finish, never saved the image though.

I'm about to start working through Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain, but I've heard a lot of it is pseudoscience that should be ignored.
Are there any specific parts worth reading over, or should I just stick to the exercises?

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>>3062180
I honestly have no clue how to draw feet. I've looked at guides but I just can't get the perspective down. If you mean her right, it was correct in my underlying structure, but it probably appears that was because of the hood that goes over her shoulders.

I didn't want to make the hands too big and instead made them too small, poetry.

>>3062203
I'll do that.

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>>3061275
I fix the arms head and neck

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>>3062017
if you want cuter, look at how children heads are proportioned (see Loomis). Bigger skull to face ratio for starters

>>3062328
>that full loomis nose
Brilliant

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How do you guys do shading? This is what I've got so far, but it doesn't seen right for some reason.

>>3062330
I think the softness is clashing with the sharp lines, angles, and purposefully static feel to the drawing. Maybe you should try harsher shading techniques like crosshatching?

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Please may I have the picture of the Brazilian girl with her tongue out that was posted the other day? I would like to draw it.

Thank you.

>>3061504
>>3061504
You ruined the perspective by messing with the shoulders, and you made him look like a grown man but he has a baby face
atleast finish it before asking for critique, also you asked how to paint skin, not for a critique
most people in here dont know how to paint

>>3062338
use the fucking archive you cunt

>>3062334
Didn't think of that, thanks for the advice.

>>3062225
DAMN..

>>3062332
bretty gud.

>>3061906
take out your brush and start painting.
try using references

>>3062126
Idk, I like the stylized look to the left one, though the right def needs some work

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>>3062328
That redline helped a lot, although looking at it now I need to extend the back of the head.

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What should I work on?

>>3062398
The sticky

>>3062137
Untrue, you just need to be purposeful with your lines.

>>3062398

Her face isn't very cute, you should study moe anime and try to replicate the style.

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Can I have critique on this? I'm just starting to use a drawing tablet to make digital art.

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I just watch one of Peter Mohrbacher interview and he said that he's not good at copying from real life faces. Even in his work he uses and sometimes traces face. Also he uses A LOT of ref in his work. And his work is amazing. Some may say shit about his process but you can't fake creativity.

This is a working professional.

>>3062431
What is your point?

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>>3061032
>>3061034
>>3061035

How did you guys learn to draw wrinkles/folds on clothing?

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Mostly from imagination

I still can't get arms to not look like complete and utter dogshit

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Is this a good gesture drawing?

>>3062430
Yeah, heres your critique. stop mirroring.
post some real art and ill critique it

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>>3062448
Here's the reference in case anyone needs it

>>3062431
Is the ayylmao neck intentional?

>>3062435
There's a lot of anon whining in here lately. Just to help ease their mind a little.

>>3062457
Show your perfect work?

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Before and after.

Posted the left one yesterday and someone said I should try draw it upside down. Right is result. Ended up making myself look a little grumpy.

Left was also done using a mirror while right was a picture

>>3062511
You're already better than me, congrats.

Anyone know a fun/interesting way to start learning anatomy. I have bridgmen books but they are a bit too much to start with and I get put off by it every time I try to learn it seriously.

>>3062513

Have you tried drawing upside down?

Doing it upside down makes me feel like I'm cheating but the result is better. Thoughts?

Also, post some shit bro, I'm sure I'm not better than you

>>3062522
I've tried drawing upside down before, I end up rushing anyway and it looks really bad.

This is my crap >>3061969 >>3061710
I don't really "see" values properly or understand what I'm seeing so I stick to just chicken scratched line drawings. You're well on your way to get over some early bad habits that I can't seem to quit.

>>3062527
Stop being so emotional, anon. All of your problems are fixable

>>3062448
No.

>>3062527
>I don't really "see" values properly
place an egg on a sheet of paper and put a lamp on it and draw it for at least an hour.
if you feel like your done after 10 minutes just stare at it for the next 50 minutes and you
will eventually see more variation in value to add

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>>3061029

I don't know how to shade.

>>3062527

My portrait looked like yours - worse - a couple days ago.

I've always been terrible, terrible at drawing, but decent at other creative endeavours. Keep practicing, man. I'm certain you're at least better than you were.

Just keep going, only compare yourself to your past self. Set small, firm goals and don't tell them to people.

Apply mindful practice; basically, as you practice, really think about what you're doing, what mistakes you're making and work actively to correct them. If you're even halfway good at something, it's because you did this.

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>>3062534
This isn't working. I don't know how to shade at all so it's pointless. Sorry.

>>3062552
Its so bad I honestly cant tell if your serious or trolling me. Start by trying to not draw so small, take up the whole page.

>>3062552
Well first look at the object and imagine its values as individual shapes. Then look for the darkest spot and shade that as dark as you can make it. Then in the areas around it, make it a little brighter. Be sure not to make everything to dark, though, as a lot of beginners do. You'll want to make sure the highlight is white.
Watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3WmrWUEIJo

>>3062552
>>3062536
>>3062527
We're all gonna make it, anon

>>3062448

Watch this and draw more of them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74HR59yFZ7Y

>>3062556
That's not going to matter. I'm fucking retarded, I don't know how to do anything. I'm sorry for doing so bad you thought I was joking.

>>3062557
I've seen that video, I'm still a retard. Sorry.

>>3061283

Late, but that head needs to be bigger

Otherwise it looks like a good start. How's the tablet?

>>3062564
can you shut the fuck up with the apologies already? is that supposed to make people refrain from flaming you? do you think you're smart? only makes you look like an idiot lol

cry less and draw more

>>3062564

Turn your self-loathing into motivation, anon. If you practice you really will get better.

>>3062568
I'd love to draw all goddamn day, but it's frustrating because I'm stupid, so I sit in front of a blank canvas every day for hours. It's sad and pathetic. I don't know what else to do.

>>3062572
Stop attention whoring, man up and DRAW. I bet you're thinking about how much you suck while you draw, and that makes your drawing suck.

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>>3061029
some 1 crit me PLZ

>>3062572

>cant draw shit

How many of it have you drawn? like 10? 20? 100? Draw more. Accept your failures. And draw more. Mileage is not a meme. If you're slow to learn you just need to do more of it.

Don't expect anything more from yourself. At this stage learning is all you need to do.

Don't compare yourself to others who have done a thousand times more than you. Just focus on your drawings and studies.

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>>3062581
>not Sasha Greyscale

shakes my head

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>>3061034
This sort of pose is way out of my comfort zone and skill level but I wanted something to post in this thread I guess.

>>3062601

Look up Michael Hampton figure drawing. I think there's a pdf in the book thread. Download and study.

>>3061042
there's no thing as "too thicc".

if any it's not thicc enough

>>3062581
On it's own it looks nice. Two flaws are you didn't really give a shit about the blouse and it shows, and it doesn't really look like Sasha Grey.

>>3062621
Hmm damn I thought i got the likeness decent. whats your first impressions to make you say it doesn't look like her?

>>3062601
I gotchu famalam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0660Fuih7qo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqxPHew5bGQ

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crit?

>>3062633
thanks senpai time to work on my beans i guess.

>>3062612
noted, thanks

>>3062641
*senpai?

>>3062642
senpai means upperclassman in Japanese.

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>>3062622
don't have time to finish, so the face is too narrow, needs to be slightly wider, side plane of head is off which has the ear misplaced. Cheeks are too flat, and her bangs don't go far enough back as her ear is misplaced. Eyes aren't detailed enough and you missed her special characteristics (note the moles I added) may seem insignificant but add to her face

>>3062642
it's like someone who is more experienced than you. his lvl is higher than yours.

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Ok guys, I've got a contender for the next header image here.

just got a tablet (I've never drawn traditionally either obviously).

I think what im gonna do is draw this same picture over and over for the next couple weeks for 30 minutes each time if thats not a completely awful idea.

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>>3061028

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>>3062669
resized image, my bad

>>3062669
use a pencil and paper

>>3062676
but im excited about using the tablet I just bought.


is there any big problem with it? even if itll be harder at the start?

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still adjusting to digital, but until I get used to it, I'll keep on doing shitty sketches. Any super glaring anatomical errors that I'm not seeing so far?

>>3062683
You have no control or dexterity with the stroke of your arm and hand. You've been writing your whole life with a pencil while a tablet is a new medium that takes a while to get used to. With traditional, you only have to worry about your lead and the paper as opposed to the endless options that you're bound to get wrapped up in. I don't understand why people want to jump to digital when they don't know how to draw a straight line.

You can do all that or you can ignore my advice and attempt to draw from here on out. Maybe you can prove me wrong and become a great artist by never touching a pencil in your life. (You won't, but you learn from your mistakes harder when you realize how much you fucked up).

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Experimenting with lighting and shadow. Pretty much my first ever digital painting. Any criticism/tips appreciated!

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>>3062671
>>3061028

same guy here-- tried again using this approach for the first time. i love it since it gives me much more control. but it points out that I'm shit at what should be dark or light. gonna have to practice and experiment a lot more.

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>>3062695
Big to small.

>>3062712
thanks a ton!

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>>3062271
This one?

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So I tried. Some of the issues I see:
>generally lazy
>smudges and such
>pretty sure angle of head is off
>face is abysmal (will focus on face of her in attempt 2 or 3)
>rendering is lazy which I think is what makes it look symbol-y and/or stylized

In my defense I was mostly focused on trying to get the gesture and general shape and proportions down, but that's no excuse for laziness.

Any critique and help is much appreciated. go nuts.

>>3062848
is she Japanese?

How do I make my tumblr so that only I can see it and my posts?

I've only got it to document my improvement as time passes. Nobody needs to see this shit.

>>3062817
I love you, thank you very much.

>>3062849
probably but idk

>>3062885
why bother answering?

>>3062849
Why does it matter?

>>3062893
because I was hoping to hone my imaginary high standards for Japanese women.

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Watching Proko's head video because I'm lazy and it's 2AM. He makes a point about foreshortening. Does this mean I can't rely on the same proportions? Are there any rules to follow or is it something I eventually learn to eyeball after enough studies?

>>3062581
why give you critique when you never apply them?

>>3062913
i miussed u

>>3062888
Because a question was asked, and I wanted to answer to the best of my ability.

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Construction exercise coming through. I wonder if this dirty would be acceptable in FZD, and If I could move on to the next one, or I really have to polish it...
I just want to analyze the basic structures, not sell a truck concept...

>>3062921
Your English is coming along well, my Asian son.

>>3062922
How do you draw lines? Just with shift?

Yesterday someone told me that was cheating.

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>>3062446
its because you made the bicep too skinny.
you shrunk the shoulder to deltoid, enlarged the
neck.
and placed the clavicles wrong

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>>3062926


Perspective lines, yes I use shift because they have to be very accurate. The rest is free hand, unless I see a super long straight line.

>Yesterday someone told me that was cheating.


That's silly, did you get to see his work?

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Please tell me how to improve my shading. I reference heavily, I can't draw and I know I should not focus on animating stuff when I don't even have the basics down.

Yes, I have Loomis.

>>3062903
You're gonna have to foreshorten if the head is in a certain perspective and not facing forward.
i recommend you look at how people draw their heads at different angles.
loomis is best person to study for that.

>>3062923
I'm white tho.

>>3062933
pick a direction of light and just think about how it would be shaded irl.
shading isn't a skill you learn about, its more you just think about it.
picking colors to shade with is a whole different skill which has many guides for already.

>>3062686
the pose in the middle is super painful
and the guy on the right has an extremely small neck and his head is too low

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>>3062669
Study this pic for a while, it will help you out trust me. doesnt look like you're actually drawing the picture.
draw that cutie couple more times and post the best one that looks closest to the image

>>3062851
Set it as a private post but there's tonnes of worse artists than you anyway.

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>>3061028
I'm trying to build a portfolio of figure, life, and anatomy drawings for transferring to an art school for 2d animation [spoiler]inb4 art school meme[/spoiler]. Is this the right approach or should I be focusing on animation or something else entirely?
Also critique please

>>3062969
Look at the mouth man

>>3062977
Thanks, I'll fix that tomorrow. I noticed the whole jaw area was off from the reference moments after I posted and I immediately wanted to kill myself.

can someone tell me if using stabilizer in paint tool sai for practice is good?

>>3062991
i mean, can i? or i should practice without stabilizer

>>3062969

Go through ctrlpaint videos.

>>3062511
qui gon?

>>3062991
you're better off practicing without it.
use stablizer when you want to line out a sketch to color it

>>3063024
thanks bud

>>3062991
no rules. only tools

>>3062927
Well at least it isn't too bad lmao

Next time I'll pay more attention to the perspective instead just farting around

I'm just starting out to learn how to (seriously) draw. I'm going through the sticky but what's a good practice plan?

Do I just grind through each fundamental one by one and avoiding taking on things that may be out of reach, say figure drawing till much later?

Also, I'm using a tablet, should I start with traditional tools first?

>>3062991
I use it for everything and my PS work hasn't suffered as a result.

>>3063102
i mean when i practice with stablizer its a lot easier so thats why i asked, because i thought it would affect negatively on my drawing skills/habbits or something

>>3063157
I've drawn everything with the stabiliser on for years and I don't think it has seems to have culled my ability to draw with it off (I draw in both PS and SAI2 beta). There's always stuff that I rushed but I think it can't be helped. That being said I am a very messy person and I draw with an A4 sheet protector over my tablet. http://i.imgur.com/h9w9LJ1.png

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>>3062567
Thanks for the reply, still too small?

The tablet is fine, dont have any other tablet to compare though. Ofc. it feels better to just draw on paper but the practicality of drawing directly into photoshop is something i guess.

As for this drawing i'm not sure how I should continue. Maybe just start over and draw something from reference instead?

>>3063169
thank you very much for answer

>>3061283
If you're not gonna use it then sell it.
also study more anatomy

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How's this? I should've made the jaw wider but aside from that do you have any advice?

And also how to effectively draw animal fur with a pencil?

>>3063185
I think a good excercise would be to trace the edges of a woman's body to see the curves, slopes and the generally where forearms end, how long the belly should be in relation to a thigh etc, all that shit. Same with faces, I don't know if you were going for realism or not but the eyes definitely don't stretch rom ear to ear and almost touch in the middle ya know? And draw her feet too, neglecting it will just make it more dificult for you later, trust me.

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desu just trying to get the anatomy down w/ this one but there's something off

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>>3063678
ref

>>3063678
His chin is diagonal and his neck is straight down
you made his chin forward and his neck diagonal
also his jaw is very rounded out under the ear, you made it stronger

>>3062215
her

but yeah go ahead

>>3061042
Would you be so kind and post the ref and maybe the artist's name, please? That's the T H I C C C E S T sculpture I have ever seen!

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>>3061029
Crit?

>>3064838
Very bad, you shaded bone structure but why isnt your drawing aligned to bone structure?
its extremely flat.
For example, the eye you drew on the left curves around like its spherical but the eye on the right doesnt even retain a shape.
The same goes for the nose and mouth.

>>3065043
>>3065043
Yeah, it fukcing sucks. God this perspective gets me everytime. I posted this one a bit sooner than I ussualy post cause I was heading out for the day. I haphazardly blended it and slapped on the hair, but even of I had kept working it would still suck. Thanks for the specifc criticism, brb killing self