/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

>>3058693

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I don't know if the upper arm looks too short or if it looks weird to me because I've been staring at it for a long time. I'm not sure how to lengthen the upper arm while also trying to use foreshortening. The top of the arm where the deltoid meets the bicep also looks a little off to me. How can I fix this?

>>3058761
make the pose yourself and take a picture, also learn how to measure in perspective

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i dont have the patience for this

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Any advice?

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>>3058789
Reference

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Is it cheating to draw construction lines over a reference?

>>3058826
No. Its good practice, but those arent the right construction lines in your picture

>>3058834
then what the fuck am i doing?? why am i so retarded at construction >:(

I'm fucking tired of procrastinating REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. How do I start

>>3058837

Your circle is not aligned with the angle the head is tilting at. It's at 90º degree to the ground, instead of tilted like her head is.


Can you see it?

>>3058847

Close websites, drink coffee and draw.

>>3058848
Do you mean the smaller ellipse? I can see that. What else is wrong?

>>3058852
Not a whole lot that I can see, if you can fix the ellipse.

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>>3058854
OK, I tried drawing construction lines over a different angle, and it's not working. I feel so stupid. I've watched Proko's video ad nauseum but it not translating in my head to this angle.

>>3058850
Draw what

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>>3058866

I want you to do some research on the Secretary Bird and draw it by breaking the form into simple shapes that you build up into, like pic related.

>>3058865

Divide the head by half with a line from inbetween the eyes. Make a line that follows the chin direction and the forehead direction. The isolate the place of the face and do an ellipse for the side of the skull.

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>>3058871
Like this? I feel like I'm still completely wrong.

>>3058876

I think you pretty much have it, I just don't get what you are trying to learn with this. You should just study the reilly method for the head or just draw like 100 Asaro heads in the course of a month.

>>3058880
I feel like if I can draw the reference lines, I can copy those lines and drawing the rest of the face will be easier

>>3058882

Can't you just feel the form then? Just draw lines across the surface of his face like if it was rendered in grid, inside 3D software.

>>3058789
>>3058790
I would say your drawing feels stiff. Maybe redraw it and exaggerate the curves?

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>>3058735

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from a pic in the ref thread

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>>3058930

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>>3058734

>>3058931
i mean its good.

>>3058947
I already know I'm gonna see it tomorrow and go "that's so off."

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>>3058736

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>>3058884
Like this? I feel like I'm being trolled here

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>>3059033

Yes, sort of. Try to do less lines and divide the head into simpler planes first. It should make it easier for you to begin to comprehend how a face is put together.

Also, when drawing across the face. Try to imagine how it would feel for you to touch physically, that way you'll start to feel form as you draw.

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>>3059033
>>3059067

Exactly of simplyfing the head into simple planes.

>>3059069

>Exactly
example*

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>>3059067
Am I doing this right?

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>>3059084

Yes

>>3059084
fucking kek

>>3059093
Am I being trolled? Please no bully

>>3059084
what on earth is actually happening rightr now

>>3059098
I'm too tired and high for this right now, please tell me what I'm doing wrong

>>3058734

That looks pretty good for a beginner thread pic.

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>>3059096
>>3059100

>>3059100
Nigger are you blind or just pretending?

>>3059111
I'm blind and retarded, OK? Is that what you need to hear before helping me?

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I tried drawing my friends portrait as a welcome home gift from his trip abroad, since I'm poor. It's not good but do you think he might like it?

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>>3059117

Dude, stop smoking. It's perfectly fine. No one is trolling you.

>>3059137
Don't encourage shit skill. I see what you're trying to do but you're just hurting his progress.

>>3059139
If you really care about my progress, you can redline what I did so I could see how I'm bad. I'd be really appreciative of it.

>>3059139

How am I hurting his progress by making him feel form? I already told him he should be doing Asaro heads too

>>3058789

Shadow values need to go darker

>>3059144
no trolling but i have no idea what you did wrong there, its mostly ok for your skill level. my recommendation is to keep practicing the first construction lines you did (curve them around the face though) for about 20-30 more faces then go back to drawing them alone.

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Can anyone help me with drawing wrinkles/folds in clothing? Using shading to indicate where the clothing travels doesn't look right to me.

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>>3059128
I tried colouring and shading a bit but I'm so awful at it, sorry. Do the shadows make sense at all?

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>>3058739

He looks a bit too adolescent but an attempt was made.

>>3059128
>>3059162

To my /beg/ eye this looks good. Also in my experience people prefer hand-made stuff to anything you can buy in the shops. I think he'll probably love it.

As for whether the shadows make sense I can't offer much advice. I'm probably below you in that skill.

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Hi, thoughts?

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>>3059084
You'll be pro in no time anon

>>3059175
Thank you for the kind feedback anon

>>3059162
Clean up those lines. You have a serious case of chicken scratch. Try to make single confident lines. Put more detail in the upper eyelids and fix his right pupil to look more identical to his left

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>>3058826
It is a very good exercise actually to develop spatial awareness.

you should always start with the bounding box, which is relatively easy, but only once you have a good grasp of perspective. Use the vertical center line and eye line to find the front panel of the cube and build from there.

Once you do this, the rest is easy since you already have guidelines for the perspective of the skull and face.

>>3059084
This is another great exercise but you should keep it for later. It is useless to see planes if you can't see form first

>>3059197
I'll do my best to fix it up the way you described, thank you.

>>3059198
Thank you, I felt like I was spinning around direction less, good to know I'm on a right path.

>>3059144

You literally mapped your face. That's not the same thing as constructing the shape of the skull.

>>3059199
it is just an exercise though, just do it enough to "get" it and then build from reference or memory

>>3058931
This is good but if you don't figure out how to fix your jittery brush strokes - looks like a tablet input issue to me - you won't make it.

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>>3058736
i have no idea how to make good looking shadows

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Does doing stuff like these reference drawing improve my drawing skill?

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any opinions? and what i should improve?

>>3059255
How the hell do you get shading to look good like that?

What's your process?

>>3059213
I have this problem in photoshop and its been driving me fucking insane, every other program I've used it works from but I'm only comfortable in photoshop. Any tips on how I could fix it?

>>3059267
I feel like my shading is still pretty weak.
Learned most of my shading from this guy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzeX84I-7OE

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In reflection, my portraits are looking a bit less horrifying than they were at the start of the year http://i.imgur.com/P7nqFGP.png but there is still a lot of improvement needed.

Progress is slow when the artist is lazy, unmotivated and unwilling to spend more time at properly measuring stuff out and/or observing and doesn't have that much time to be able to draw all the time.

Also my figure drawing is still quite poor. I first started poking around in /beg/ in about 2014 and my anatomy has improved but not to the degree that I am proud of. This is probably because I like drawing anime and haven't really bothered learning how to properly draw muscles except when I'm copying out figures and the only time I refer to loomis is when I'm struggling with a figure and want to see how he puts down his lines. Also foreshortening still kills me. Although I want to improve at drawing various angles I may end up just cheating and finding a program that can properly model the poses I want to draw and try that

I also managed to reduce chickenscratch lines but partly replaced that habit with ctrl+zing an infinite amount of times. I have noticed, however, that with practice it is taking me fewer ctrl+zs to reproduce what I am seeing.

I think that what worked:
>drawing and paying careful attention to what worked and what didn't work/looked wrong
>overlaying the drawing over the original so that I can see what I did wrong after finishing the project and before moving on to to the next project and even tracing poses I struggled with
>looking at how other, better artists drew the poses in /beg/

I think that what didn't work
>gesture drawings
I felt that these were all too short, I spent like 30 seconds scribbling whatever lines I felt like rather than paying attention to what was there
>all the art I drew in years prior to 2014
I improved at colouring and symbol drawing but not in what I was actually seeing.

hey, I'm trying to study hair right now and I can't really find any exercises.

I'm drawing individual locks of hair to get used to shading but are there different exercises worth doing?

>>3059272
Well, I shade like absolute shit so anything's amazing to me, thanks for the vid

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Here's something I did yesterday
Thoughts?

>>3059299
You need perspective

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>>3059304
That's probably true. Thanks for the feedback anon

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Whenever i paint faces everyone keeps telling me that they look flat, and it's parts are symbol drawn. How exactly should I feel the form?

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Working on Alucard from the new netflix show, I dunno if his right eye is too high or his left eye is too far away, but I just can't seem to get his face right...

Anyone else only notice some flaws when they take a picture of their drawing, but can't see them so much with the naked eye?

>>3059342
Resizing the drawing can also reveal it

>>3059152
m8 wrinkles on that drawing is like makeup on a pig. Strip that bitch down and work on her anatomy before attempting clothes

Post a portrait reference please

Don't mess with me through a terrible one, post good ones.

I have tried randomly drawing but ones posted in top usually become better drawings

>>3059338
looks like some villain from jojo, i like it

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I feel like i am totally missing something. The tracing always looks better.

>>3059396
Clean up your lines please.

I bought an XP-Pen 03 thing and yesterday everything was cool in paint tool sai, today it refuses to move the cursor in the tool.

Fucking weird. Outside of Sai it works just fine as a mouse replacement.
Anybody know what could be the problem?

>>3059418
What have you tried?

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criticism pls

>>3059427
restarting PC (thats pretty much when it stopped working), unplugging, removing and readding Sai, reinstalling the driver.

I looked it up online and some others had similar issues but they got no responses.


Maybe I should try out Sai2 or another program.

a fun game, take your last handful of sketches and assemble them in panels to make a comic page of the pieces.

doesnt matter how shit just post

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I used a 2B pencil in this one
I also tried using a mechanical pencil to make the lines seem obvious, but it turned to shit
Critiques are very much welcome

>>3059418
Maybe restart the drivers in Services? My tablet always refuses to work before I do that

>>3059438
I like it, it's cute. The upper part of the head is too huge and mouth is too low in relation to the chin. It's like the face was pushed down. Try moving the face up a bit and reducing the top skull.

>>3059438
Try learning some basic proportions of the body by drawing real people first. Trust me, when I stopped drawing anime for a while it suddenly looked 1000 times better and it was really easy getting back into it. Doesn't even have to be the in-depth stuff, just the basics.

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I went to sleep so I didnt not get to post a crit to another anon who was in the previous thread so here it is. Hope you are here anon.

Anon's original is top left.

First off good job anon you really captured the likeness of the face. How ever it does look like he has been in a horrible accident.

General recommendations as always, do not ignore your construction. (Look at Red left to right) First lay down your ball and set the eyes, nose, mouth, and ears about where you think they should be on the eggish shape. Then re adjust your borders and contour lines like in the red line on the right.

The middle strip is an example of applying this and carrying it through to the initial blocking in of values. The values in your hatching are all very similar. I would recommend you dont worry about gentle smooth transitions in value and just focus on getting down the shapes of the tiles. First split it into 2 tones, then 4, then 6 for high lights and blacks.

TLDR:
Dont ignore construction and block in values boldy.

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i feel like a fucking retard
cant even draw what is right in front of me

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>>3059338
Guh, line art is so tedious.
But at least his face doesn't look as wonky now

>>3059213
Ok Ill look into it anon

>>3059259
maybe try working on that hatching on the top mots part of the head, everything else is following the form of whatever its hatching except that part

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Anything wrong with my skulls?

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>>3059555
Sorry

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>>3059555

>>3058905
Shadows aren't dark enough and lines are chicken scratch.

>>3059486

You're doing fine anon, just take your time. Don't let yourself get impatient and scribble. Give yourself as long as you need to get it right, if it takes 4 or 5 hours to get a clean drawing, that's what it takes.

>>3059190
The crosshatching on the shirt should be wrapping around the form.

>>3059234
Do some studies of basic forms under different types of light sources before attempting to draw the figure.

>>3058826
>>3058865
>>3058876
>>3059033
Can't believe nobody has told you this yet but stop using the fucking line/ellipse tool.

>>3058789

Try to observe the negative shapes in and around the figure in the photograph and compare them to the shapes in your drawing.

If you were to remove all detail from the pictures, just to look at each as a flat, black silhouette, you would see many areas in which the two silhouettes don't match.

Something very obvious, look at the empty space underneath her hand, just above her shoulder. Look at the shape the background makes and compare it with the shape in your picture. Yours is very tall, while the reference shows a wide shape.

Look at the area with the knee and elbow. In your drawing the knee juts outward, in the reference they almost make a straight downward line, with a slight angle.

The area where the torso and the hip meets is another. The shape in the negative space is completely different with a long upward curve, just straightening near the top of the shoulder. The shape in yours is convex, and the straight starts far too low.

The tilt of the head is incorrect as well. There's more but I'm not going to pick out each one.

My advice would be to go through the book Keys to Drawing, work with more simple subject matter (a contorted figure is not easy to draw), and focus on recognizing the simple shapes and angles of things and reproducing them accurately in your drawing.

>>3059585
Why??

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>>3058738
>>3058741

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>>3058736
pls r8

>>3059600

You should be doing it yourself, to get better at it. If you don't have a tablet, print the pictures out and use a marker. The very least you can do for yourself at this early of a stage is to learn to draw lines and ellipses correctly. Avoid crutches at all cost.

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anyone have any tips on smoother shading?

>>3059607
I freehand the ellipses on the paper, I just use the tool to copy from on my computer. Unless you mean I shouldn't even do that?

>>3059615
Use the side of the pencil, hold in in a quadruped grip while doing so

>>3059142
I'd say clean up the linework, but they're sketches so I can't really tell unless I saw something inked.

>>3059622

You shouldn't. You need to internalize what you're doing and build dexterity. Just clicking out an ellipse isn't going to do anything for you.

>>3059638
Sorry, I'm still confused. I'm building dexterity when I draw the ellipses on the paper, I'm not using a tool to do that. In the end I'm still freehanding it, aren't I?

>>3059643

>You need to internalize what you're doing
>Just clicking out an ellipse isn't going to do anything for you

>>3059653
Would it be better if I just eyed out the construction lines, completely forgoing the computer?

>>3059657

You need to draw. To DRAW. You are learning how to draw. You will not learn if you are not drawing it. Just fucking draw.

Don't use the line tool. Don't use the ellipse tool. Don't pretend with your eyes. Physically move your appendage in the manner required to draw the fucking picture.

>>3059675
>You will not learn if you are not drawing it.

>I draw the ellipses on the paper

???

>>3059679
Just draw the ellipses on the computer too.

It's more practice.

>>3059679

Just draw it all the time! Why are you being so pigheaded about this? I'm telling you clearly the proper way to do this and why, and you keep making excuses, saying you do it properly sometimes. Do it properly all the time.

Jesus you turn a bit of advice into an ordeal

>>3059650

How long did you spend on each of those drawings?

>>3059693
Sorry, I'm just used to hearing "no rules only tools" thrown around here, I assumed it was OK.

>>3059694

Sayings like that are meant for certain contexts, like if I were to describe a 'rule' about human proportions, or a 'rule' about colour theory. The idea, the 'rule' is a guidline that you can break if you know what you're doing. It doesn't mean use the ellipse tool.

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>>3059378

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>>3056608
I don't know if it helps you or what but I can as well post it, since I have it

anyone got one of those images that show how to colour an image digitially? Shows the different layers for shadows and midtones etc

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>>3059804
this?

>>3059809
Yes! Thank you!!

>>3059748
spring girl is such a qt3.14

>>3059809
do most people use photoshop layers or actually paint it like it would be painted traditionally? if that makes sense

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>>3059850
People usually do whatever the fuck they want.

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is there anything, that isn't awful about this drawing? i was bad at art back in school, now, 8 years later I wanted to give painting a try and pic related is the first thing I've drawn, how many years do I need to git gud?

>>3059870

>how many years do I need to git gud?

Depends on how much effort you're willing to put into it and how much time you have.

>>3059850

Try every method, every technique and use whatever work for you. Most people use combination of stuff they've learned and figured out along the way.

>>3059509
How was the show? I was considering giving it a watch.

>>3059870
Looks pretty good. Jaw is kind of unaligned though and hair can be more lively but it's all-around solid.

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>>3059378

Ok be honest with me anon, how long will it take for me to go from this shit >>3059162

To being able to draw well?? I know I need to practice my line confidence, symbol drawing, construction, coloring, shading, anatomy, etc. But am I on the right track?

>>3059987
When you focus more on the time it takes, you're going in a negative direction. What's the rush? What's your end goal? As long as you have focused, directed studies and a disciplined routine, you'll be making gains. Work on the quality of your pieces and you'll improve faster.

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I did this from imagination, I think I fucked up the passenger seats perspective

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>>3059378

>>3059995
Not only that.

>>3059555

The circle only covers the cranium. Trace a circle of the the cranium of skull photos to check your proportions.

>>3059995
that hood 0.0

>>3059993
I want to make good enough art that I can make money off it, just enough to be able to find a different job with less hours. I'm a janitor right now so I'd like to do something less shameful.

>>3060015

What else? I'll try to fix it

>>3060023

I felt like going for something standard was too easy

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>>3059804
It's not exactly what you're looking for but this artist is one of my favourites.

>>3060038
what the fuck

>>3059850
google ARTISTNAME stream and ARTISTNAME youtube and ARTISTNAME picarto and ARTISTNAME tutorial and generally they'll show a small amount of their working process. I use only a base normal layer + colour dodge.

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help this fucking sucks

>>3060057
Its off balance, looks like they are going to fall. Have you tried flipping it horizontally yet?

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>>3060063
thanks, does this look better?

>>3060076
>>3060057
is she supposed to be an amputee?

>>3060076
her left shoulder is further back so shouldn't her left arm be shorter then the right?

I'm going to fill up my sketchbook in a matter of hours doing figure sketches, what do I do

>>3060093
draw instead of wasting time posting in this thread

>>3060093
Pick up one of those kraft paper rolls, you can get like 60cmx450m of paper for $60

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>>3058734
how tf do i paint (skin). i've been trying to keep planes, saturation, value, and squinting in mind but it's just not working out. using the zorn palette in acrylic

Any tips on internalizing parallel lines in perspective? I did alot of boxes in perspective, but skipped the vanishing points, so I built a bad habit of decent looking box form, but it's inaccurate.

>>3060129

Could you post some boxes as example? The best to internalize perspective lines is to draw for sometime on a grid template.

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>>3060131

http://imgur.com/a/Hi83r

I'm trying to re study construction more accurately, when I draw large boxes and such, I keep missing parallels in perspective which shows up way more evidently in those exercises.

>>3060163

Most of them look fine to me, except the big one in the middle where the lines converging into space are wider apart, the deeper they go. The small box right to it, the it's converging too quickly downwards, but I am sure you've noticed that already.


Just make you your boxes are always closer together, the farther into space they go. Unless you want to draw without convergence. Get a perspective grid and draw on it, might help.

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is it possible to get some feedback on this sketch? I tried using designdoll to create a pose reference for the first time but I feel like my proportions might be a bit off.

I want to alter shinji to be more slouched and heavy looking and probably put adjust that arm sticking out.

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You know how a tablet pen comes with a little cuppy holder? Does it matter if I just put it down on my desk or whatever? What's the holder thing even for? seems unnecessary.

>>3060180
Store the pen up your ass.
The holder is just a holder and that's it, if you open the holder it should have nibs inside.

>>3060184
>Store the pen up your ass.
Now that's the kind of hilarious and original comedy /ic/ is known for.

Anyone else hit a point where your mind and hand just stop responding? After 3-4 hours of constant practice I just lose all ability to visualize anything and my hand starts going to shit. It doesn't recover with time over the day either, usually only gets better after sleeping.

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>>3060199
This happened to me a moment ago. I was drawing sacks (a bit like the bean practice) and all of a sudden I just completely forgot how to do it and was forced to stop.

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Is the perspective right? Looks wrong

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I just got an intuos and notice my lines are complete shit. What excercises can I work on to make them better on a graphics tablet? Also please critique my work

>>3060218
I didn't use a reference, btw.

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how do you get to this level? pic courtesy of some anon in a previous beg thread, personally I really like it.

I learned loomis and watched proko to get rid of symbol drawing, but they teach you to construct facial features using values/charcoal. So I'm actually totally lost on constructing a face like this using only lines.

>>3060218
>>3060221
its good that you're drawing from imagination but the proportions and anatomy are very off, most noticeably the tiny head. Grind some studies then try again.

>>3060229
Not that anon, but what exactly are studies? Sorry if this sounds stupid

>>3059636
k I did the lines on the Frankenstein looking guy and colored it. Critique then?

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>>3060230
a study is where you draw something from observation with the intent of learning or memorizing what something looks like.

Pic related is a portrait study.

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>>3060235
forgot pic

>>3060179
Misato's right thigh is too long. The knee should be higher, her leg isn't at a 90 degree angle. Also her left knee seems a little far, move it closer to the center. Try tilting Shinji's head back farther and shortening his neck, it's a little too long.

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This was yesterdays drawing. I feel like there's a lot of bad going on here. Help me out

>trying to practice gesture drawings
>open a webpage with timed drawings, every 2 minutes it transitions image
>realise that I can't have the web page open and have the painting software open at the same time because my screen isn't big enough
what do

>>3060248
Get a second monitor or, hold up, draw on paper.

>>3060244
cranium is too small, left foot needs to be rotated to face forwards, so does the entire leg. You might have to also shift the leg out sideways more.

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I tried drawing Angelina Jolie but she looks like an ugly man cuz I fucked up the construction lines.

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This is today's drawing. Used the first image up top as reference.

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I'm working on the right flower, does it look okay? I think i've spent an hour and a half on it so far. I drew a sunflower in class and it kicked my ass so I bought some to work on. I realize the handles wrong and the proportion of the stem being too far out and the lip of the vase, but wasn't too sure how to make the handle look like it had 2-3 planes.

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>>3060272

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>>3060253

>>3060274
I know its symbol drawn, I keep trying and I keep reading the sticky but nothing fucking helps.

>>3060277
its okay anon, you have to be patient though. Learning to draw takes a long time, but you'll see improvement if you just keep studying and drawing.

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>>3060237

>>3059190
I see u never fixed the hat like bang

>>3060228
put the lines on where the darkest parts of the drawing are.

>>3059162
what u color with?

>>3060316
photoshop

>>3059325
by getting out of your comfort zone.
you probably have some type of technique to drawing specific things, stop using it.
also is that the chick from metal slug?

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broke my fucking tablet before i could work on these more. how are they coming?

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>>3060360
and this

>>3060360
>>3060362
composition is poor. centering everything is usually a bad idea.

>>3060370
do you mean bad composition as in bad or bad as in boring? im just trying to practice some simple landscapes and practice, lighting, textures, perspective, rendering etc.

I'm trying to lay down construction lines, but after a couple contours it already looks like shit. what the fuck is wrong with me? why am I so goddamn retarded?

>>3060371
The focus of the composition (the boat) should never be in the center

>>3060374
i can do without the boat entirely. i was going to draw a monster behind the right pillar but i can just make an empty bay. is that the only composition issue? is the waterfall okay so far?

>>3060381
I'm not an expert on composition but I would remove the furthest right pillar too.

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What. The. Fuck. Why. Can't. I. Stop. Symbol. Drawing????

I read through the fucking sticky, through that fucking "draw what you SEE you fucking retard" infograph and nothing sticks. I'm so fucking mad, I want to enjoy drawing so much but it's so fucking frustrating. Fuck me.

>>3060387
Stop drawing lines and start thinking in terms of value.

>>3060387
draw fruit.

>>3060387
stop drawing faces, you're running circles at this point

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ok so i just started drawing with a tablet and, how long does it take to get used to it?

I feel sick at how shitty I am at drawing. I should be better for how much I've already practiced, but I'm apparently too retarded to learn anything.

>>3060400
Did you draw that?

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trying to remember and apply what I read especially about upper legs. From imagination.
(pardon my anime proportions)

>>3060407
I remember when I was week 1. You hang in there, you cool cat.

>>3060407
this is another good reason to encourage kids to start drawing while young, you don't realize that your shitty when your young. And when your at the age where you judge yourself, you at least have some skill.

>>3060480
True. I despised drawing as a kid but now I'm older and actually like drawing I despise my old self for not liking drawing as much as I do now

>>3060482
always recommend deviantart to kids,since in the beginning kids REALLY need a hugbox to grow in

>>3060496
ITT: /ic/ realizes the SJW's were right all along

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>>3060482
>>3060496
God, I'm really an oldfuck now aren't I? In my day we didn't have the internet.

I remember, as a kid, my mum (was a mathematician + painter) telling me that I was never going to make it because all I drew were Pokemon and shit like that but she loved to watch Bob Ross art videos and always tried to get us to copy his paintings in acrylic.

And the ngmi was a sign that I should never go near artschool because I was shit at it and would never be good at it and if someone was good at art they'd probably been indoctrinated in learning it since the age of at least four. I knew a girl who, at the age of 12, was probably 2/3 as good as the best artist on /ic/ AT THE AGE OF FUCKING TWELVE IN TRADITIONAL MEDIUMS.

Whenever I drew stuff, mum told me that I was 1) ngmi 2) drawing was interfering with my studies and 3) digital art wasn't real art.

Recently she saw one of my digital stuff and she said that the nose and face were all off. But it was "good".

>>3060508
*
So essentially the idea that artists need a hugbox to develop is a completely foreign concept to me. They need a good learning environment with lots of good techniques and programs and resources and to start early and grind earlier because the earlier you start the better you get, not to be surrounded by shit artists telling them how good they are.

>>3060509
*
I also realise now that had I followed the Bob Ross meme I would have been a much better artist than I am now. Master studies are a) Not a meme and b) not to be underestimated in the exercise of art. Not drawing deviantart shit, which would be good in the short term for morale but cripple the artist's development in the long run. Unlearning bad habits is almost as difficult as learning to create art.

I feel like whenever I take a step forward, I end up taking two more step back. I'm supposed to enjoy the process but it's hard when my shit comes out shitty.

>>3059152
No matter how amateur this looks, it's CUTE! Even when I manage to draw well, it doesn't look cute.
Look up some drapery tutorials, Sinix has a video about that on Youtube. Have a nice day, anon.

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Where do I begin to learn to paint digitally?
I tried copying https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Trz0r-0ULtw in slow motion thinking if I copied it stroke for stroke I'd learn something. Pic related is my shoddy attempt, I know it's not nearly finished but I just feel there's something not right about it and it's not going to end well.
Maybe I jumped in too far into the deep end?
Where should I begin instead?

>>3060535
You need to learn fundamentals in order to figure out WHERE to put the strokes.

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I made this turd. Aside from weak lines, what all is wrong with it?

>>3060535
When you repeat a very long Japanese sentence that you have no idea what it is about, do you learn Japanese?
This is what you're doing, you're better off going to the basics - it won't look as fluent as Wlop, but you need solid building blocks before frosting it with pretty effects.

>>3060540
Shorter nose, fuller lips, add fur and bigger eyes to the cat.

>>3060537
>>3060541
I don't want to be spoonfed or anything but could you at least name a book or something that I could learn these basics from

>>3060540

>>3060274
First step is to learn to actually draw what you see.

>>3060545
If I was relearning art I would try and sketch all the sketches in loomis then watch proko and learn the basics of gesture drawing then mindnumbingly grind figures on http://reference.sketchdaily.net/en/ and these figures in these threads and for my own fanart works.

At a ratio of 1 to every 3 figure drawings I would find my favourite artist - like Krenz Cushart for example and other traditional painters that I enjoy for example, and try and copy their works and watch youtube videos from painters that I like.

>>3060545
The sticky, really. It's not a matter of learning how to digitally paint, but how to DRAW.
If you focus on rendering/painting techniques you will regret it later. Been there, done that and all.

I enjoy the rewarding parts of drawing, like when something comes out looking alright. But the process of drawing is so fucking frustrating, I'm stuck in my head thinking "holy shit you can't do this, you don't know what you're doing, what you're doing isn't optimal for progress" and I can't do anything. And when I finally get my hand moving, when something comes out looking like shit, I get so mad that I don't want to try again for a while. Fuck me.

>>3060400
Not bad for never using a drawing tablet before. You shouldn't have used such bright colors on the books though. It takes about a week of drawing every day with it to get comfortable.

>>3060549
You're gonna fail a lot. Pretty much most of what you draw when learning is gonna be shit.
But if you keep trying to learn, to see where you're going wrong, you'll eventually start to improve. Things will start to *click*

You'll need to change your way of thinking about learning to draw, because like this most of it will be frustrating for you.

>>3060529
Thanks anon, I can't look at his videos right now because it's lat at night, but I'll definitely check out his stuff.

>>3060549
You've been spending too much time here or other toxic environments like here. Go someplace where people will enjoy your work no matter what, only then can you grow without pain. You can challenge yourself without fear of others ridiculing you. Slow progress is still progress.

>>3060549

I draw like shit but once I painted it it looks somewhat okay... I love values and forms but making the line drawing look decent takes so long that I just scribble the alignment and proportions then paint over it.

Now I'm learning to build construction with form and value and just skip the line stage.

I know this is probably a question asked a couple billion times every thread but what's a good starting tablet for someone who wants to get into digital art?

My friend recommended getting wacom intuos pro S but everywhere I read people say small sizes are shit (even though he claims it's more than enough and he's been at it for 20 years) and also that it falls apart, has flimsy USB port that dies in a gentle flick and that drivers of wacom are the worst trash in the world.

And on the other hand everyone just shit talks other brands, like huion, for being unreliable and shit, without actually saying why.

So here I sit thinking, is it a good idea to get the intuos pro M (apparently it's a new model) that costs quite a fucking hefty sum of almost 50k yen for being a non-screen tablet or bite the alternative and possibly just waste money.

I really don't know, and since i'm only getting into digital art I don't know if it's a good investment for someone on a tight budget.

tl;dr is wacom intuos pro M worth the price for a beginner or better stick to chinese alternatives

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>>3060179
You need to lower Misato. Shinji is too stiff and needs to be sitting on the bent knee of Misato.

is it even possible to get into industry if you haven't been doing art since you where a small child

>>3058734
/r/learntodraw has a give-away in case anyone's interested


only problem is you have to show that you made a drawing the past month, lol :P

>>3060606
Yes

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First attempt at drawing hands after watching the Proko video
Any pointers?

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Anyone know any good shading guides?

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Finally feel like I am improving. Advice on pic related?

>>3060636
Try watching Sycra's "Foundations of Light and Shadow" on youtube

>>3060648
shading lines are too straight, makes her feel polygonal

>>3060648
Stop symbol drawing

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What do you guys think? What are the mistakes you found and what can I improve?

>>3060667
Needs darker values, especially on the green goo

>>3060667
You basically symbol drew the light source ie pillow shading. Also learn about subsurface scattering, light should bounce around those liquids and create brilliant, deeply saturated colours.

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Got tired before doing the hair.
Also, I have no idea how to draw hair.

>>3060695
basically just do what you did for her face but for her hair instead lmao

>>3060695
The values are not dark enough and are in the wrong places
start from building up the note, not just scratch away everywhere it looks darker

>get frustrated and demotivated by shit I want to draw that happens to be above my skill level
>figures, faces, animals
>get bored and demotivated by shit I need to draw to get to that skill level
>still life, simple shapes

At what point can I just have fun drawing? I'm so stuck on what to do that I'm hardly able to practice drawing at all.

>>3059429
Congrats, you're great at symbol drawing.

>>3060390
what the fuck does that mean?

I've read the sticky's definition of symbol drawing, but I have trouble recognising it in actual pictures of others. Any tips on how to recognise it easily?

>>3060750
Look at any reference pic and then blur your vision, you'll see the idea of a face in values, that's what you need to start focusing on. You're too caught up in what a face is supposed to look like in your brain. Take a break from faces and start drawing some other shapes you aren't as familiar with, like a liquor bottle in high contrast. You need to get the lines out of your brain and start seeing the shapes and values of what you're actually drawing. Or better yet, go to Walmart and buy some clay, go home and mold it into some random ass shape, stick it next to a bright light and draw it. That'll help you draw what you see and not what you know, since you don't know that shape. It sounds retarded and meta but that's what you have to start training your brain and hand to do.

>>3060753
>>3060648
This is symbol drawing, not to pick on you anon. Look at the lips of the drawing, it's just a drawing of lips, it's the symbol of lips, it's what you would draw when you think of lips. It's NOT the lips from the drawing, they look nothing alike because instead of drawing what anon was seeing in his ref pic he drew what he knows lips look like.

>>3060757
This.
Outlines don't exist. Only different values. Light and dark and everything inbetween.

You'll only see lines around shapes in comics and the like.

>>3060228
if you want construction read some hampton

>>3060759
Alright, I think I get it some more now. Thanks

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I can't draw an elllipse inside a square to save my life /ic/
I know the theory, but I can't line this shit up :( they always look like eggs

How 2 learn ellipses?

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>>3060695
I had a go at it
How do I make her look not demonic, especially the mouth

>>3060776
Take this pic and flip it horizontally, you'll see what you messed up.

>>3060692
What do you mean by pillow shading/ symbol draw the light?
(My english is terrible and sometimes I understand other meanings...)

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>>3060764
Did some practice. Am I at least getting the hang of it?

>>3060792
you are doing, keep going, do cleaner lines

>>3060777
I'm still not seeing it, apart from the angling of the upper lip which I've fixed now.
Was that it?

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>>3058738

>>3060788
Not that anon, but your lighting is inconsistent

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How do I improve? And how do I force myself to finish my drawings?

You know how your tablet pen comes with a little holder?

Is it bad for the pen if I just put it on my desk rather than use the holder?

>>3060803
loomis

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>draw
>don't try because it's going to be shit anyway
>it's shit
i will NEVER EVER be good

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this is what Alzheimer's looks like

>>3058826
>>3058865
>>3058876
>>3059033
>>3059084
Jeff Watts teaches drawing skulls before full portraits, I think you should do that. It will give you a much better understanding of the structure and a 3d map of the skull shape in your mind. Just draw 50 skulls from different angles.

>>3059555
>>3059558
>>3059561
Try spending more time on them, do you have any that have taken you 30 min? These all look rushed.

>>3059870
Mate it's pretty terrible, but I was this bad a few months ago. Read the sticky and get started on some beginner books, keep at it, you will improve quickly. You are stuck in symbol drawing right now, once you snap out of that you will see a quick improvement.

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>>3060815
just quit if thats the attitude youre going to have. the less competition for us, the better.

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>>3060764
>How 2 learn ellipses?

I drew this quickly over yours to explain how perspective modifies things: what is at bottom is the normal circle. Then there's yours, and as you can see your circle is distorted but not exactly as it should. The reason is that you're freehanding the circle to make it match the square, but the square is distorted too. Take a look at the red square at bottom, then at yellow square above yours. Yellow square is distorted by perspective: purple point is where the circle should pass.

> I hope my picture is way clearer than my english

>>3060828
You should stop manically copying the same pic 300 times with chicken scratch and do it twice TOPS, but with care and attention. I commend your energy, but your approach is not doing you much good.

>>3060847
thanks anon! this helps a lot. i just finished a lecture on using normal squares and lining up points too

>>3060795
All the facial features are outta wack, the eyes are crooked, the nose is way too small and the lips are too small. Lightly sketch the boundaries of the face then spend time properly mapping out the facial features

>>3060845
She is crying because someone broke her thumb?

>>3060695
she looks like a burn victim

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>>3060848
nah its getting better
it looks messy just because i like to keep my hand moving when i draw

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>I got put in OP
not bad

I completely goofed the right leg and both feet. If it's not too much, can I ask for a redline to give me pointers?

>>3060880
Oh well, whatever keeps you drawing. Sub-optimal methods are better than not drawing at all.

>>3060886
Mainly just keep practicing.
Also don't think I don't see those lines. You better clean those up unless you're drawing razor edged people

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>>3060901
Nah, I always do the underlying body before I do clothing, then I clean up. I had showed my friend the drawing that's in the OP now and he asked me to do his operator, which is more than just the skinsuit.

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How the fuck do you draw eyes

This shit is hard.

>>3060910
draw yourself upside down

>>3060886
Pro tip about feet: they should be roughly as long as the radius/ulna (forearm bones). Don't believe me? Hold your foot up to your arm.

>>3060937
Holy shit, what a tip. Thanks so much!

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>>3060870
I tried again, taking more time like you said
Is this much better?

>>3060949
wow I'm not the guy you're replying to but that's much better in my eyes

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>>3060695
>>3060713
Tried again. I'm having difficulty seeing the difference in value.

>>3060949
Much better! Tip: make sure that between the eyes you could fit one eyeball, so in this drawing the eyes are a little far apart, but great improvements!

>>3060982
Try using a larger, softer brush so you can get smoother shading and build it up more slowly, I think that's the problem you're having. You have the right idea but using what looks like a ballpoint Bic pen isn't helping you

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>>3060982
You don't understand the form you are trying to render. Your hatching makes her look like a gas attack victim.

>>3060670
>>3060692
>>3060799
Ok, thank you guys for the tips. I agree that the light and shadow are completely wrong...

>>3061025
>>3061025
>>3061025

>>3061025
>>3061025
>>3061025

>>3061025
>>3061025
>>3061025

>>3060032
I get what the hood is supposed to be designed like but it doesn't look right. It looks like the far side doesn't have an angled piece to it and it ends up making the hood look scrunched and awkward.

>>3060306
I'm not sure what else I can do

>>3058789
looks like you're smudging


don't