/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

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>>3045658
That's tiny, damn it

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One more

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So this is my first drawing, should I switch to painting since I obviously lean more towards creativity?

>>3045719
i have absolutely no idea what is going on in this, would you mind elaborating?

and no, learn to draw first, then do painting. if you dont know your fundamentals with drawing, where you can erase mistakes, then painting, a method you cant erase, is still going to look shit. read the sticky, do the exercises in it, then come back.

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Haha, uhm, sorry for just dropping in and asking this but there was a sheet someone gave me about the 'fastest way to improve,' with a 1-9 of what books you should study and in what order

I have the books but I lost the picture on my way to my new computer, can someone help a fellow student out?

>>3045719
I don't like the way the strokes are made, but it's one of the more useful conglomerations of abstract shapes I've seen

>>3045731

Yeah i sat down and drew the main head with the horns and just started scribbling and i started seeing patterns and kept going. Which is why i think painting would suit me better as i don't erase and let my creativity show what i can draw from what i already have in there.

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>>3044802

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>didn't finish last one and started another one

its impossible

How the FUCK do I draw perfect straight lines? This might be the main reason perspective is such a pain for me.

>>3045761
straight lines aren't as important as you think

also it's called a ruler

>>3045614
dunno if its a good or bad thing that I made the op image :^)

>>3045756
This kind of shading is really weird, it makes everything look semi-metallic. Not good for skin.

>>3045771

You're special.

>>3045771
you're the temporary posterchild of /ic/'s literal shitters. congratulation

>>3045756
stop blending so much

>>3045737

>>3045741

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How's this? Tips/advice would be nice.

>>3045893
bad case of symbol drawing

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>tfw beginner class is rushing ahead at an extremely fast pace

I can't make sense of the stretch and squeeze and proportions what do I do, I'm so confused. The one on the very right is my teachers, I find it hard to replicate that

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>>3045918

Fucking rotate!

Don't give that "im using phone" bullshit. I have a shitty phone and it has it's own built in image edit function. If you don't have it fucking download one.

>>3045734
>>3045719
ya so deep bro, how about you learn the fundamentals of a medium before trying to express yourself regularly on it? or you can scribble for the rest of your life and call it art, not sure why come to a critique forum though

I made this a while ago. Yes the anatomy is wrong, don't worry, it was intentional

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>>3045773
>>3045859
working on it

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i tried to draw sitting, leaned guy looking down but the biggest issue is perspective i guess, i tried to imagine ribcage like ball rotating down a bit and legs are fucked, any tips? btw this line on head is eyeline

>>3045936
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0Qbw7Wlsgc

Don't start by blending, it's supposed to be the very final step, your values and colors need to look right before you start blending. Bad habit.

>>3045939
this looks all sorts of fucked, used reference for now, and when your practice drawing from imagination try getting the basic proportions right before attempting strange poses in weird perspectives

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>>3043106
I don't know why I keep trying. I'm obviously too stupid to learn how to draw properly. I've been symbol drawing for months and I'll never get out of it, I'm just a retard I guess.

>>3046007
when you start thinking in value instead of lines, you'll start to get out of symbol drawing but for now you can't draw faces. stick to still lifes so you can get an understanding of form and depth (if you can't render a sphere how can you even think about attempting a human face?)

>>3046007
stop doing hard outlines of those symbols, JUST DONT DO IT

think of it as "painting" with your pencil

shade shade shade, at different values, darker shades and lighter shades, create shapes like that, instead of just lines

that's all there is to it

I recommend the book "The artists complete guide to drawing a head". Copy all you see. You won't be able to even do your shitty lines cause he shows you his step by step and he uses basically none.

>>3046009
How long do I have to grind spheres and other boring shit before I can start drawing things that interest me? Last time I stuck to just putting my energy into fundamentals that I didn't want to do, I quit drawing for months.

>>3046012
Doing fundamentals and only fundamentals is a waste of time and energy desu.
You must keep your interest by actually drawing stuff you want to draw. It's *the* best way to get better no matter what /ic/ says. Just learn waht works and waht doesn't.

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>>3045623

Some angles just fucked me up...

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Three months ago.

>>3046012
You can draw whatever you want. It's just that without fundamental knowledge the things you draw will come out shit like what you posted. It's up to you how you want to proceed.

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>>3046033
How did you improve so fast?

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Now repost.
I forggot resize.

>>3046037

An anon said some errors.
But I think still wrong, but I dont now what.

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>>3046043

>>3045614
>>3045771
is that supposed to be eminem?

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>post a picture of my drawing in the last thread
>people just tell me I need more practice
Really no idea how to take that. might as well have replied with nothing desu, of course I'm going to practice.

>>3046061
a big majority of /beg/ doesn't know how to give critique it's painful to watch. something you havew to deal with

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Alright so evidently making my own thread didn't get me the criticism i wanted. Just cancer.
Moving my shit over here seems better.
Gonna post a drawing every day for the rest of the month. Here's Day 2

>>3046064
Am I doing good?

>>3046067
what the fuck kind of question is this? do you have something you drew to show?

>>3046065
And cancer is all you deserve. It's right in the rules, don't make your own thread, post in the appropriate one. Don't be an attention whore.

That mouth looks really flat and weird. Eyes don't seem to be looking at the same thing. Nose is also strange, did you use a reference?

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Drawing a character from the play I'm in right now, main thing I'm wondering about is the fabric. I've got the mental understanding of tension points and drape points but applying it has been weird.

>>3045858
thankee. It's an honor desu.

>>3046053
no it was from a ref pic from the last /beg/

>>3046070
Alright. A critique. Used a reference for the overall head shape and mouth. I know i fucked up there pretty much. And i figured it wasn't a good idea to wing it with the eyes

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>>3046069
Jesus Christ you autist, am I doing good at the critiques I've done thus far?

Here critique my watercolor brush control, show me the proper way to critique

>>3046075
Go into your bathroom, look at the mirror. Notice the little line that goes from the middle of your mouth up to your nose. Move your head around, it's still there, it still connects. Yet in your drawing the middle of her mouth goes to the side of her nose, beyond her nostril. Try to make a basic construction before tiding it all up.

Also, I don't believe just making a random drawing a day is gonna get you very far. Draw, compare, get critique, fix it, try to understand the shapes of the head, how it's built, look at ton of references, try again, compare, get critique, fix.. that is what most of us here are doing to improve.

>>3046076
How would he know you're doing good critique? This isn't reddit you faggot, no one cares about your name, my brain doesn't even bother enough to remember it.

You will get your feedback from the people you critique, not some random user you hope will remember you.

>>3046080
I get you anon. However it's not a random drawing. Its a particular theme each week. So I can gradually hone my skills.
>July 1-7 Faces
>July 8-14 Poses
>July 15-21 Objects
>July 22-28 Hands
>July 29-31 Drawings utilizing any new thing learned.

>>3046083
tell that to nosebro

I don't care if you remember me, I don't even care if you pretend to be me, I just want to help here in /beg/ and maybe /draw/
calm yourself buddy, no need to get angry.

anyways what an interesting critique

>>3046089
u place too much emphasis on a name lmao

its an imageboard

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>>3045614
reading loomis and drinking my tears... I don't get where to put those catterpillars and it really skews everything up for me

>>3046094
yes, I am aware, I've been here for 6 years.

The reason I am namefagging is because I have quite literally nothing better to do.

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>>3046071
Similar theme here, but struggling with anatomy.
How is tiddy form?

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>>3046102
it's not looking too good, as you already know, your anatomy is fucked. the arm is an abstract shape, tiddy form is off by a lot, Im aware that this pic is a different perspective but it's the closest I could find in 5 minutes. the chest is too forward, and the boobs look as if they are disconnected from the chest

study etc.

>>3046101
i commend your honesty

>>3046106
any tips for necks? doens anyone have any cheesy way to rememer how to fraw necks?

Whining vent blog post on why I'm hopeless and frustrated out of my mind, please ignore.

I want to practice more so I can get better, but I know I'll get bored and burnt out if I focus on still life and simple 3D shapes. I'm still too shitty to benefit from practicing on faces or figures, things I want to draw and keep me motivated. So it feels like I'm fucked no matter what I do. Either stay shitty with drawings I want to draw, or quit drawing after burning out on things I don't want to draw. Whatever.

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>>3045615
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>>3045693

Alright, the gang is all here.

>>3046184
it's essentially the same, but whatever, if you hate shapes so much then either turn them into something (a box with two balls could be a robot-head) or learn the face but little by little, like first the eyes.. just do eyes studies for a while, then the nose, then the mouth, then the ears, then hair.. it's not an absolute necessity to grind boxes all day for months like a retard, only do it if you find it enjoyable and you're learning from it

How the hell do you draw lips?
Every time I try they always look like a symbol.

>>3046220
This

Also just draw what you want, and do just a bit of the box/shapes/etc exercises as a warmup. It doesn't have to be hours, just 5 or 10 minutes.

>>3046214
Christ, none of them look like actual figure or face studies.

You have machined yourself a big nothing

Pick one and put more thought into its construction

>>3046214
keys to drawing

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>>3046071
I'm a beginner myself, so I don't really know shit, but right now it looks like he's covered in gooey slime. Try drawing from nature.

>>3046235
Fabric doesnt curve and swerve, its just heavy, less resilient paper, it wrinkles and folds, when was the last time you saw any piece of fabric just curve, without wrinkles

Also, he looks like hes holding two giant used condoms

>>3046232
Maybe next time

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I guess a bit of gesture practice. I think I'm starting to feel it.

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>>3046258

another example

>>3046223
Well, don't draw lips, draw a peice of flesh that has a certain shape. Try these exercises https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgJXyEsakC8

>>3046007
1. Draw every day.
2. Draw from life.

Drawing every day will boost your confidence. Drawing from life will immediately show you what you don't know. Draw anything: furniture, animals, plants, your hands and feet.

You're not stupid, you just don't draw enough. You might have been attempting to draw for a long time, but the hours you spend drawing are what makes a difference. It's like learning a musical instrument, it takes time. Time spent actively trying to improve. Spend 15 minutes a day trying to draw a box rotating in every direction, 15 minutes a day trying to draw something from your environment, 15 minutes a day purposefully going outside your comfort zone to try and learn something. And EXPECT failure. Learning how to draw means failing at drawing something.

I promise if you go out of your comfort zone every day for a month, you'll come out of it as a confident artist with a healthy thirst for knowledge. If a month of drawing every day seems like too much work, reconsider if you truly want to be an artist.

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how am i doing /ic/ ?

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Can you critique plz

>>3046344
the bottom part of the torso looks a little too long
i'm also not entirely sure where the light comes from

something also looks slightly wrong with the shoulders

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can anyone critique my shitty wip?
i got no idea how to finish it...

>>3046367
The idea of the 2 people painting a unicorn cloud in the sky is clear.

What's not clear is whatever is happening to the side. Is it a battle? It looks like infantry charging into battle, which makes no sense upfront. I think it'd look better if you ditched the side action and just replaced them with foliage / trees.

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How can I start drawing straight lines again? After exercising the katakana ha, I have become unable to control my lines properly.

>>3046342
I dig this. Doing good, lineart's a bit too sketchy imho but I dig the cartoony style

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digital is the most fun but how do i draw from life on digital? stuck with photos and books? suppose i could just do that shit on paper and transfer what i learn.

>>3046375
it's kind of supposed to be a bunchnof people also painting the cloud, but yeah, perhapt i'll ditch them

>>3046123

>https://youtu.be/AMtWk0DUoZU
>https://youtu.be/-uze2IRAc1k

basic cylinder
study every day for at least a week

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somebody fucking critique my shit man

>>3046449
Start by training line control

>>3046398
When will you all learn already? Being weeaboo will ruin your life.

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>>3046398
- Trying drawing on top of the same line a few times
- Ghost the line a few times before drawing it
- Try the point A to B approach
- Practice drawing slow and fast
- If the line is short use your wrist, if it's long draw using your shoulder

Any of those should help

>>3046449
What was this drawn with?

>>3046484
low opacity pencil tool

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>>3046461
what if your life is already ruined prior to becoming a weeb due to mental illness or loosing a limb? Because I'm thinking of becoming like melon pan. a full time weeb.

also critique my figures and give rec on what to study today

how do I get better at drawing from reference or real life?

I feel like I spend forever just trying to set things up in the right place, draw a line, erase, draw again. Then once I feel like I have everything in the right spot, as I add details it becomes more clear that I didnt have it right after all.

>>3046453
how does one do tht

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>>3046510
study proko and this pic
it helps trust me

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ya'll got bones in ya shit then

>>3046553
looks like a poorly traced picture.

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new begfag here, looked at sticky and it asked me to draw this image and copy it to the best of my abilities, how it is for a beg?

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>>3046576

true shit famalam

let's fw them lineweights and see what it do

>>3046592
the head, torso, arms and the hand on the glasses are really off

im not even sure if the perspective of the legs matches the torso, are you using a reference?

>>3046618

you ain't never lied slick rick

let's hit them fundies with the quickness

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1/4.
Hoping these don't come out small.

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>>3045623
2/4

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>>3046672
reference used >>3040071

3/4

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4/4

>>3046672
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>>3046679
I can clean any of these if need be, but I left the history there so you could have an idea of my order of operations. But each of these were experimenting.

>>3046579
criticise me then you cucks

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>>3045614
Hey, I memed that guy, too

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>>3046691
its far better than the one i did

>>3046424

There's portable tablet if you can afford it. But, still life drawing is still possible. Just make sure you position the stuff somewhere you can see.

As for live figure drawing. Clean your space and make sure there's enough room for someone to do some poses. Now the hard part is getting someone to pose for you.

If that is impossible the closest thing you can do is video figure drawing

https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo/videos

Too lazy for everything? Use pencil and paper.

>>3046579
>>3046691
You just want a pat in the back. It's an exercise, and you did it, good job. There's no point in telling you what parts are wrong or right, you're not supposed to go back and correct, just do it again and again until it looks really similar to the picture, then try with more difficult images and 3d shapes.

>>3046579
>>3046691
You've got the Spark!

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>>3046701
what do you think of mine?

>>3046432

War flags, intense fire, battle is going on and limbs flying meanwhile there's 2 people drawing a big giant unicorn in the middle of all this shit.

That's what I see.

>>3046680
Resize your images next time. Looks fairly good. You've got some nice form going on in places. I feel like you're having trouble with things like hands, arms and such. Perhaps you can abstract it more, make it less of a complex shape for yourself.

>>3046706
Right I see so I need to keep redoing it til it looks exactly the same as the original picture then move on to another exercise?
>>3046707
Thanks anon, you think I have potential?

>>3046716
>I need to keep redoing it
Fuck no, once it enough

>Thanks anon, you think I have potential?
You might even compete at the olympics if you keep going like that.

>>3046720
I guess I'll move on to step two on this: https://hubpages.com/art/how-to-draw-learn is this a good way to learn?

>>3046723
Yea, that's the sticky, it's good

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>>3046061
oh, I tried drawing this anime girl. copying anime is easy and fun but I feel I don't learn anything from it, akin to tracing

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>>3046760

>>3046761
>>3046760

you dont copy it you study it

I want to get into Peter Han's Dynamic Sketching but he says don't move past lesson 1 if you're not comfortable with it. I've been grinding it for weeks and I'm still not comfortable, and it shows when I try lesson 2. Should I just quit this and try something else?

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Various charcoal studies crammed onto a 18 x 24" sheet

>>3046762
How do you study it?

>>3046763
I would just move to lesson 2 for a while or try to use what you learned in lesson 1 in a different way, like trying to apply it on a piece instead of an exercise. You could also post your attempts here and see what people have to say about it.

>>3046771
By not copying.

>>3046763
Feel free to move on to lesson 2 once you're more or less consistent enough at what lesson 1 teaches you to work with it. You don't have to get them perfect right now since you'll keep improving passively as you actually use this stuff, provided that you keep trying to do it right. It would be smart to repeat some of those exercises as warm up though.

>>3046774
No as in if you are not meant to copy it then how do you study it? Write a whole paper on it or some shit?

>>3046778
Not the troll you're responding to but by study it one means to analyze how the image was created. Basically, since it's just a head, loomis is a good start. Then you'd try to identify the properties of the style (anime). If you just 1:1 copy it, you haven't learned anything, and you won't be able to create it yourself.

>>3046716
I'd say your drawing went fairly wrong, I would do it again. Maybe not 10 times, but once more doesn't hurt. The whole idea of that exercise is the same as this one:
>>3046524
So you learn to draw what you see. Line by line, angle by angle, shape by shape. Measure everything, take your time.

If you were trying to draw hands when you were drawing his hands, you fucked up. if you were trying to draw a head, eyes, and mouth, you fucked up. The idea is detaching from symbols. If once didn't help you understand that, do it again, don't mind lazy assholes here that think exercises are fucking checklists. The whole point is understanding and learning, not just mindlessly going through them. If you hate it then do it with different pictures to not get bored. Practice to understand to improve.

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>>3046773
This is a typical page for me. I'm awful at this shit. Lesson 2 just highlights that I'm shit.

>>3046785
What is a loomis? So the whole idea is being able to create it and others in similar style with just your imagination and drawing skill?

>>3046789
I was trying to draw what I see, I know I made a lot of mistakes in that picture. So in a way I should treat it like maths since the idea is to make smaller basic shapes into a full picture correct?

>>3046712
I should have drawn that.
sounds way cooler than what I ended up doin in the end

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My organic forms are shit, I can't understand how to do textures, I'm a fucking retard. I wish I didn't get so frustrated by this shit.

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Can someone give me a critique

>>3046792
Looking at your picture I'd guess you're trying to draw too slowly and too carefully. If that's the case, you need to speed up to a point where you get fluid motion that's still controlled.

>>3046826
anon, I don't believe that you can't see whats wrong with your drawing with the ref right by its side.

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>>3045981
yeah it was just a short cut for the skin, I love doing line art and creating stuff in SAI but I hate its pencils, I prefer the Krita stuff, there I block shapes and values in.

>>3046824
Nkream?

>>3046803
Yes, draw it bit by bit, it all comes together by itself if you drew everything else correctly. That is the first step, break out of symbol drawing and learn to draw what you see. Once you can do that, then start sketching and learning construction, Loomis and all that shit.

I tried starting with construction like every retard in this board says to do, but I wasn't making any progress at all. You can also see many people in this board that say they can't progress yet they grind Loomis and stuff. After learning to draw what I see, and doing a bunch of figure drawing, followed by perspective exercises and drawing boxes, just recently I started to actually feel forms and shapes. Now I'm really pumped and practicing a lot everyday, and I can finally understand and apply construction, but if I had done just that for the past 3 months I wouldn't have made almost any progress IMO. A lot of the people that draw well here have been drawing their entire life so they don't know what it is like to be a complete beginner, Loomis is shit for a complete beginner, I do not recommend.

>>3046826
It's objectively bad. You have no line confidence which leads to hairy chickenscratch lines. The fact that you can't see that your negative spaces are so grossly incorrect means that you probably haven't read the sticky or an observational book like Right Side of the Brain. And for some reason you didn't attempt the face in any way and drew it in some weebshit way. I don't know what you're trying to get from this drawing but if it's for learning then you should take longer than 10 minutes on it.

>>3046714
Hey, thanks. I actually like giving extra care and detail to the arm limbs, it's good that they stood out (hopefully not in a bad way). I do need work with the hands though.

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>>3046855
one more before bedtime

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>>3046826 theyre right about the chickenscratch lines, its non-productive. it isnt totally terrible IMO... you should draw simplified anatomy and not just mimic the outline though. im not convinced you actually understand what you're drawing

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What's better; Sai or Gimp?

>>3046882
yeah I know i need to work on lines. Thanks for the feedback. What books from the sticky do you recommend for anatomy?

>>3046889
literally any book

it doesn't matter

>>3046889
proko has good stuff on proportion (more important) and simple anatomy on youtube. the best advice i can give you is start drawing using 'construction' right now. drawing the figure outline like youre doing will lead nowhere and youll just be spinning your wheels because you won't actually have a grasp on anything

>>3046883
Gimp is never going to be as good for drawing as digital painting software like SAI or clip studio

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Any criticism is welcome, i know already that i have to keep grinding fundies, that the hands are weird and my symbol drawing is showing, besides that the shading is off since i didn't think too much about it when applying it (not that i know too much about it to begin with)

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>>3045617

>>3046943
If the tone of your paper is the base you should get a white pencil for highlights. Or have your tone as the lightest value so you won't have these areas of incorrect value.

>>3046943
the chest is pointed diagonally, but you made the abs point the opposite direction

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can someone show an example of how this concept should be used in a gesture? Ideally something more in depth than just a gesture that uses repeated lines (there are some of those on the next page of the book already), but like, going into what specifically they're trying to convey? I just don't understand what it's getting at.

>>3046953
Hm, my camera makes the paper look dimmer than it is. I'm not sure if a white pencil will be visible on it, but I'll try it out. Thanks for the tip.

>>3046957
Ah, yes I see it now. Thank you

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Day3. Probably gonna do another male face tomorrow depending on what you guys think I should fix.

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I think I'm getting the hang of this? I don't know.

>>3047003
your drawing is completely 2d just like the rest of the drawings you've posted. work on making things 3d, not just faces. I recommend reading the sticky and studying loomis.

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>>3047007
your textures are too regular, spend more time studying your references (or using references, if you aren't, which seems probable). Something that I found helpful was not thinking about drawing the contours of the thing, but focusing on the shadows cast by the texture

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>>3047018
Peter Han doesn't use references for textures in his class tho.

Not textured but does this look more 3D?

>>3047037
No, reads flat.

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>>3047037
i havent done these in a long time but i think youre foregoing the entire movement of drawing an ellipse fwiw

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any ways to improve

>>3047040
>>3047043
Goddamn I knew I was retarded :(

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I drew this!

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So I turned this in to the character design challenge but it's not gotten many responses so I want some critique on it from here.

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>>3045688
Could use some critique on this before continuing.

>>3047047
finishing it

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>>3047049
you need to slow down and think about the volume. a lot of your lines dont make any sense, so its kind of a waste of time the way youre doing it

>>3047065
You're not a beginner at all

>>3047071
they didn't even finish the drawing.

>>3047065
You have too much of the right cheek showing. Nose is too close to the eyes and also the eyes are too big (very anime like). Lips are too big and are also not as angled like they are in the picture.

>>3047068
What the fuck is this black magic

How do I do this??? Why am I so stupid?

>>3047071
Nah, I still make basic errors especially with measuring properly

>>3047075
I see it now. Thanks! For the eyes, do you think it's more of the left side eye that's too big or both?

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Sorry if this isn't the place to post but how do I learn muscular female anatomy; like burly women? I'm pretty new to art but i'd like to improve.

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im trying to draw this, my first step was doing a general outline but i feel like thats the wrong way to go about it?

>>3046973
pls respond

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1/2

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2/2 1st one is for fun, 2nd one is more serious

>>3047108
fun
da
mentals

>>3047081
definitely both, but the left seems bigger than the right. If know how. you should overlay your drawing over the photo, so that you can see your mistakes in a program like Photoshop.

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I just can't help trying to draw figures from imagination and symbol drawing clothes on top.

Someone told me not to bother with rendering until after I've specifically studied lighting so I don't form bad habits, even when I do studies. Is there any merit to that or should I just jam?

>>3047047
>>3047051
>>3047053
>>3047108

Get better anatomy.
Or go to the stylization general.

>>3047111
good idea

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>>3045615
>>3045617
>>3045618
Noodlin

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>>3047065
Made the eyes smaller and added to the nose. Also made the lips more accurate. Plenty of measurement issues still but they can't be fixed without erasing much of the drawing, so I'll leave it like this for now until I have time later on to finish it.

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>>3046592
i made it worse

>>3047108
Keep having fun, It looks better.

If you're going to use that much lead use the shadows to show the shape/form. Not filling in like a coloring book (like the shirt + hair). You don't have use values 100% accurate to the reference. Push them. More contrast or less.

Use the side of the pencil to add value instead of scribbling. It's less time intensive than hatching and you'll learn how to vary pressure.

>>3047127
Use thinner linework. It will force you make more accurate forms. Thick lines hide your mistakes.
Draw in long, sweeping lines. Use your whole arm, zoom out, whatever.
If these took a while, work faster. If these were quick, take your time to look at the volumes + angles of your model then draw.

>>3046854
>>3046862
This feedback is objectively horrible, gtfo /beg/, you fucking scrubs, you're everything that is wrong with this thread.

only >>3046882 actually tried to come with real feedback that a real person can understand and learn something from.

Just another great example of why the only redeeming factor of this shitty thread is the sticky

>>3047102

I feel like this is a bit of a redundant thing to draw, but if you really want to you start with massing the basic shapes of each piece relative to eachother and pay careful attention to negative space and the angles of each. Outlines are generally much less useful than creating forms and thinking of it in 3D space

>>3047176
In other words, no redeeming factors as the "/beg/" 'sticky' is a steaming, convoluted pile of shit
Have fun in your containment thread

this entire thread is just one big "muh anatomy" and "lulz look at your ref anon, you so stupid"

what a fucking meme

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>>3047068
How. The. Fuck. Do. You. Do. This. Shit?????

Nothing I make comes close to yours, I'm trying so hard to emulate what you're doing but apparently I'm just a goddamn retard.

>>3047177
why is it reduntasnt?

>>3047206
Those don't look bad

Try doing a line all the way around the form, don't just do one side

>>3047176
just because nobody replied to your fundamental exercise doesn't mean you have to take it out on others, my friend

>>3047209

What will you learn from this? I suppose for a beginner mileage is as important as anything so it's not like it will do you any harm, but it's not an interesting composition or subject matter. The steak looks odd even in a photo, so short of complete photo realism, your drawing of it will look odd too. None of this will read particularly well especially for a beginner and there is no interesting lighting or precise forms and when something isn't a precise form there is a lot more room for error. For example if you're drawing a lamp you or at least anyone looking at the work can easily see what is wrong, but if you're drawing a baked potato from that angle and that non-descript quiche(?), you can fuck it up and it wont matter as much, meaning you learn a lot less from it IMO

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are there elements to drawing that you will never get better at? like if you don't have it you never will or?
how long does it take to get better if you practice every day?

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>>3047248
bigger version

>>3047248
>>3047253
ey boss, quit art

>>3047255
darn :(

>>3047229
based reply, try again anon

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>>3047206
these are much improved, good job. like i said before though you're still not doing the full motion of drawing the ellipse on some of these, thats how the volume is created. they look shallow because the angle isnt correct. do the ENTIRE motion of drawing a circle, and THEN lay your pencil down when you're on the correct plane. also rotate your paper if you arent. just keep doing it until they start looking fatter

>>3047248
You'll never know the answer to that question until you genuinely put in effort in something you're doing.

Is there anything to be gained from learning how to draw women if I only plan on drawing men 100% of the time?

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>>3047307

>>3047309
wew

>>3047206

Do another 10 to 20 shapes but this time draw full ellipses all the way through the form. You need to think about the form on the other side.

Is there such thing as spending "too much time" on a drawing?
I know spending too little time on one is a thing.

>>3047206
This vid helped alot for me. I also had trouble wrapping around the form, hope this helps. skip to 4:55

https://youtu.be/xPdkxTSn9s4?t=4m55s

>>3047365
well if the base isnt good you should just stop since mistakes stack like a block tower.

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>>3047348
Like this? Are any of these any good? Ignore the middle one

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>>3046973
This is ripped from a new drawing to try to show how these gesture lines become more prominent when planning the figure.

[I'm going through the book as well too and this is how I understand it.]

>>3047383
all that bloody chicken scratch thoughq

>>3047114
Focusing too much on rendering before you get a solid understanding of lighting will take away from a piece, even if the rest of it is technically well done.
It's a pitfall that a lot of beginning artists fall into when they move into the 'serious' portion of their work.
As for rendering during studies, I think that someone meant to not try to render outside of what you are able to understand. i.e. don't try to render the hair to what you think hair should look like vs. what you can actually see in your reference material.

>>3047385
Noted. Aside from the head/left arm where would you suggest I try to keep stroke economy?

>>3047397
really everywhere, repeated lines dont emphasise anything in a positive way, they onl;y leave ambiguity as to what you were actually trying to convey. What you actually want are thicker lines to emphasise movement and depth, that is assuming your not going for a realistic look (instead going for comic and manga style).

>>3047379
Work with more varied positions in 3d space, everything is close to the same angle if it were being rotated around an axis parallel to the page

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How do I fix my terrible symbol drawing, /ic/?

>>3047407

Use a higher res photo for starters

>>3047403
Yeah, I see what you mean. I'm more used to going from a sketch to line art without trying to draw a second gesture in-between. I'm trying to make the move into making better base sketches versus excessive chicken scratch ones.
And yeah, for the most part, I'm more focused on stylized looks so I've internalized repeated lines in sketches as signals for thicker lines.
I'm still piecing together how to use these tools when making more realistic figure drawings.
Thanks for the feedback, man.

>>3047407
put more effort in, actually measure your shit

>>3047115
What's wrong with the birdmans anatomy?

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>>3047383
Thanks for the explanation. That gets me a little bit closer, but I'm not sure that's what hampton is getting at (my screenshots are from his figure drawing book). Like, yours are essentially adding line weight to certain parts of your contour. But, see this pic, the repeated lines across the torso that I've circled are clearly not part of the contour, nor just following the spine, I think it has to do with "slowing down the eye" or some magic like that, but I still don't really understand.

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>>3047459
I'm still not too sure how to replicate it, but from these examples, the repeated strokes add more for the eye to process and therefore more time is spent on moving across these sections. Where there are only one or two strokes, the eye is able to process the shape quickly and then moves on to where those lines were directing the viewer.

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>>3047491
ref

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redline anyone? thanks

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I am struggling with what method to use for the construction of the head?

Any suggestions? How do you usually go about drawing portraits?

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>>3047452
The arms and the hands seem unnatural. I think that may just be symbol drawing on them. Also, the left leg just ends when it gets to the skirt.

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>>3047505
Right now I'm just drawing eye and going from there.

Also I'm still a beginner and haven't cured object drawing, yet

>>3047502
i might redline. did you use a ref or not?

>>3047487
Hmm. I guess what I'm confused about is when you would want to slow the viewer's eye down. Broadly, it seems like you would want to do it in complex or high tension areas? maybe? but, like, I could consider the legs complex because there's a lot of direction changes happening in the curves there, but he rarely seems to use repeated lines on the legs. Maybe I'm just overthinking it and just gotta feel it, but I feel like if I don't even understand what's happening in the examples I have no chance of replicating it in my own attempts

>>3047505
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RmHOvmPJjE

reilley is the way to go

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>>3047533
yes, here's ref

>>3047538
Thanks.

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Hey guys, I need some critiques on this.

>inb4 its generic as fuck

I know, I just needed to do something to get drawing again.

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>>3045614
How do I activate that /goodhair/?

Also, how do I do anything?"
I'll get my shapes down on layer 1, they'll look super good, then I go to do my lines, remove layer 1 and everything looks like ass... Why?

>>3046883
Fire alpaca

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On a semi related note;
Anybody have a youtube tutorial on starting digital that you used when you started doing it?

My tablet is coming thurs. and prior to it I was a tradfag - I'm gonna look some up anyway but I was wondering if you guys had any that were invaluable to you

What's a good tablet to use with Paint Tool SAI? I have an old Wacom bamboo fun, but I don't think I can fully exploit the software with it.
I was thinking about upgrading to this one: https://www.huiontablet.com/all-products/graphic-tablets/1060pro.html

>>3047573
I'm a beginner myself but I would say your light source lacks intensity. It should be much brighter close to the lamp.

>>3047574
>Why?
Because none of it ever looked good. Learn fundies. Learn to construct the head. Don't draw anime.

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>>3047574
Think your eyes are tilted the wrong way yo

>>3046883
Krita.

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>>3047648
rate my freehand

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I haven't drawn digitally in ages and I am so fucking rusty it ain't even funny.
Still, I want to try something new, and try to finish this thing without lineart, because I think it might look better if I created the shapes just via color.
Any tips to how to go about that?

>>3047604
I'm saying like criticize or something.

>>3047671
The eyes are wonky. The nose looks like someone punched the other side of it in. But I'm sure you know that yourself.

>i cant even spot the mistakes of other /beg/'s work until someone points them out
how can i learn to spot my own mistakes?

>>3047671
Hair looks like fucking shit. Everything else looks pretty decen though.

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>>3047688
Take a look at lots of good artwork and learn what makes them good.

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>>3047502

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>>3047604
You're thinking about lines too much. That's pretty much why you're symbol drawing. You need to see things as blocks of value and place them accordingly.

>>3047706
Saved.
Not him btw.

>>3047379
Jesus Fucking Christ, you people told me I need to be drawing just ellipses around the form, but looking bad at Peter Han's video he doesn't do that. I am sO ANRGY AHERGHRGH BADAHHTJ

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Whatever :(

>>3047728
have the lines be appear closer when further away from you and vica versa

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Just keep practicing or study anatomy? Both? What's my plan boys.

>>3047586
Oh, look. It's generic advice man. I loved you in "eat my ass, you cuck, and give some real advice, 3"

You should've won a Grammy

>>3047720
Listen to what you were told, the ellipses help you find the volume to prevent your forms from looking like pancakes, that's why>>3047068 has a much better sense of volume than >>3047728
Peter Han can visualize this, you cannot so you're better off using ellipses until you can.

>>3047248
Nope, you can get really good at anything. There are things that maybe you will never become a god in, but you can get really good pretty much anything.

As you draw more and more you will notice you really like doing certain things more than others.. if you love perspective and boxy shapes you might be better at drawing cities and spaceships and stuff, if you just love drawing anatomy and people then you're probably gonna be better at that.. generally, whatever it is that you can practice for hours without feeling burned out is what you're gonna be best in.

Just keep, you will encounter many eureka moments that are pretty much like level ups. I've been drawing for 4-5 months and just suddenly one day to the next I started seeing 3D shapes and boxes in my references, and now I can follow videos like Proko without being completely lost. It's cool and I know I will feel a bit stuck again soon, but you just gotta keep drawing.

>>3047737
Well what else can you advise? When someone tries to build a space rocket out of paper and wood, and fails, and asks for advice, you won't explain them how better to chop wood, you will tell them to learn how to make a proper rocket.

>>3047407
What is triggering me the most is the shading. Start it simple. Divide it in DARK and LIGHT. Nigga, you and everyone else in this world can see the left side of his face is dark, the right side is light, yet you went in trying to shape his cheeks and nose and shit with complex shadows but in your drawing I can't even tell where the light is coming from. Draw what you SEE, don't try to go beyond it when you can't even get the basics down in the first place. Start simple, get a fucking shoe-box and draw it in different angles and with different lights.

>>3047736
I'd say right now you should study anatomy.

>Both?
Yeah, well, of course both.

>>3047491
Work on your cylinders, they don't feel 3d in the slightest. Also, add a 3 D shape for his waist, not just a random circle and outlines. The lower part of his legs need perspective or they just look dwarfed.

I see that you're trying the mannequin thingy kinda like what Proko teaches, it's what I'm learning to do too, but maybe practice more simple shapes first? Nothing feels 3D really.

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>>3045657

Are using brush stabilizers "cheating"?

>>3047786
NO RULES
JUST TOOLS

>>3047783
looks great from afar, but that's too fucking small, take a bigger picture.

>>3047786
please wipe the concept of 'cheating' out of your mind. the very act of drawing on a computer is literally 'cheating'

>>3047792
>>3047795

I will live be these, and I'll stop asking silly questions. Thanks anons.

>>3046258
>>3046262

Crit me please.

>>3047256

Go get fucked mate.

>>3047271

Don't listen to the troll, man. Everyone starts somewhere and your errors aren't any worse than a regular beginner.

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Please im bad.

>>3047831
Draw bigger, but resize and rotate your pictures so that they're nice to look at. If you can't do that, you're a lost case.

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Started with Loomis, any tips or should I just keep grinding out these figures? What are your thoughts on the last four?

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Literally got a image editor to fix. I don't know why my phone does this.

>>3047842
Oh shit are you reading fun with a pencil?

So am I! Also no tips.

>>3047850
yep, fun with a pencil, what does yours look like?

>>3047862
Basically the same but worse.

>>3047846
You probably draw this without a reference, as the neck is far too thick and the body and hands look more like someone's idea of what body and hands look like rather than the real things. You could get into drawing from reference, and studying the human anatomy and its proportions. Regarding those cubes, you really need to get the lines straight and draw them far bigger than ½" a side. It's not like you'll run out of paper.

So, currently I am at very early stage of learning how to draw. You know, i do some basic stuff like spoons on a flat surface and apples. Aspects like perspective or angles do not cause me problems, however most of the lines I draw have curvatures. To get clean straight lines I try to draw them in one quick move. Unfortunately, these lines are often too long or too short. So I have following questions.

The first one:
How to increase my line precision, do i use good technique?

And the second:
Does the use of such helpers when I am still learning stuff is a good idea? I'm skeptical at the moment, however it's very tempting...

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>>3047869
No. I have a reference.

>>3047877
>drago art

if you have any sort of self-respect as a -serious- artist you would stop using that site immediately

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>>3047878
Fine. Got any suggestions for good-looking female anatomy. I want a good cartoony feel.

> pic example

>>3047881
If you know how REALISTIC bodies work, you can tweak them to your liking. This is called stylization. The reason it's memed on is because beginners don't know anything and they defend shitty art with "it's my style." So do studies of female bodies and maybe in a year or so you can get something nice in a comic sort of style that /beg/ can appreciate. Time to grind.

>>3047881
Just go on and draw cartoons, if that's what you want. Go on, no one's going to stop you. Just don't come here and ask for advice that you don't want.

>>3047876
Eh, I'm a beginner too but line precision seems to obviously come from experience. If you can get them straight and at the right angle you're doing great already, if it's a little bit short or long it doesn't really matter, you're not getting paid for it yet, you'll get there eventually. I see a lot of people doing tutorials on pinterest who always have short lines and they don't quite connect with each other, I guess some people consider them a style.. and if it's too long.. erase the tips?

>>3047883
Uhh.... Why would anyone ask for advice if they didn't want it?

I do want your advice/suggestions

>>3047885
Not him, but his attitude is probably because of so many people that come here and post cartoon shit out of proportion and when you critique them they tell you "that's just muh style".

If you wanna draw sexy female bodies, whether they be cartoonish or not, you need to learn all the basics of drawing first, then fundamentals (proportion, values, perspective) and anatomy. If you get decent at those things you can draw bodies any way you imagine them, and if you use references on top of that, it becomes ez.

>>3047885
The point is that if you want to get really good at drawing in a cartoony style, you need to have good grasp at the fundamentals of traditional (and more or less realistic) art. Cartoon and anime style looks simple, sure, but most people who are really good at it have a good understanding of the form of the subject. I'm not trying to take a piss at you, but if you actually want to get critiqued, you should do something that doesn't give you the chance to say "yeah, but" and go on about how it's you're style so it shouldn't be critiqued.

Basically what this guy said: >>3047891
That's accurate.

>>3047891
Thanks. I've been looking at this website called drawabox.com lately and its decent but I was wondering if you knew anymore??

Anything from websites to books and anything in between would help a lot.

>>3047884
Thanks for the answer. The tutorials you referencing to, probably refer to the sketching process. I was talking about phase where I have sketch, and I want to draw silhouette of an object. Erasing the tips or drawing a connection line on shorter lines became just so annoying, that i decide to ask here for some sort of trick or training scheme so i can practice efeciently. But i guess i just need to stick to normal drawing until i get this right...

>>3047902
Personally I liked Alphonso Dunn's videos on perspective, he explains it so real beginners can understand. Proko is good for gesture and understand shapes, but it might be a bit overwhelming at first, take it one lesson at a time, start from the very beginning. Draw a box seems to be good, straight-forward exercises, though they can be kinda boring. If you like drawing western style cartoons AND you want to learn something out of that, then "Fun With A Pencil" is a good book, I personally hated it but a lot of people like it. Also, "Keys To Drawing" is supposed to be very good to get the basics down and learning to draw what you see. On top of what you find in all those resources, do studies like you see people do in these threads, to improve your observation and to rack up hours.

This is all coming from a /beg/ 4-5 months in. I started with SchaeferArt how to draw videos, those are also good, they are like laid back and just inspire you to draw and draw with not much pressure.

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>>3047902
Drawabox is helpful for line confidence and to an extent also with understading form and perspective. Besides that you're really going to need anything that deals with value, though. IIRC there's a bunch of relevant stuff mentioned in the sticky, but for something that's not, William Maughan's "The Artist's Complete Guide to Drawing the Head" is pretty clear and helpful on the subject.

A pdf is here at Figure - William Maughan
https://mega.nz/#F!NsBBiDjK!HRUIi9eT31cgCuNjJsv6xQ
Thanks to the kind anon who uploaded all that.

>>3047919
I'm the other guy responding to him, but I also have that book "The Artist's Complete Guide to Drawing the Head", it's really good, though I've just started it. Just went through the step by step of drawing an eye and it really helps you see them in a different non-liney way, so I also recommend it. It can also be a little bit overwhelming for beginners, though.

>>3047914
Thanks. If it means anything you should check out Xabio Arts on youtube as well.

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>>3047720
>>3047728

I'm just a beginner but here's what I understand from that lesson.

Sorry for the line quality.

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how do you make a composition?

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>>3046826

There are different ways for you to check and compare to the original while you are still drawing, I put a few examples in the picture - depending on the pic, some aren't really helpful, for example I couldn't find any interesting thing with the plumb&level trick but I'm a scrub so there's that; point is you should try several of them and see which one works for that particular pic you're on.
As you see, you got some things right and others wrong. That being said, you didn't aim for a copy so maybe it satisfies you. Imo the main problem anyway isn't the accuracy but the pose of your final pic, which is lifeless - it lost something of the life of the original because of some details like the inclination of the feet or the change you did on the head.

Also I would advise to try drawing sketches of the difficult parts of her body, like her feet and hands, don't try to avoid that stuff, you'll have to do it sooner or later anyway.

>>3047993
>>3048014

Apologies for bumping the old thread, I didn't notice we've changed thread already.

>>3047907
You could try drawing a curve on your page, and then trying to trace that 8 times over confidently. Do this as part of your warmup every day and eventually you'll start feeling the rhythm of curves better.

Nice bodies, but, how to do the backgrounds?

>>3045729
Stop looking for formulas. I can tell you through experience that the best way to learn how to draw something really really fucking well is just to draw it from as many angles as you can hundreds of times and try to COPY exactly what you see from REFERENCE. Doing this is the hardest way, but if really sit there and try and understand and simplify what you're seeing, it gives you the ability to freehand draw something without reference just like you can instinctively write letters of the alphabet from memory without thinking about it.
Just learn how to "feel" the forms when you see drawings in perspective (cross contouring everything helps ALOT) and learn how to break everything you see into shapes(even light and shadow) and you'll be fine for the most part. Perspective is probably the only thing you could get a book about and be 100 percent mathematically confident that you're correctly learning. Everything else is just analyzing and copying.

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Day 4. Probably the last male face for the face period. Gonna focus on female faces for the rest of the week. Help me out here

>>3046007
deliberate line strokes/ line confidence would make your picture look cleaner

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Just finished my first drawing with colored pencils. started drawing since a 25 days ago

>>3048173
draw with forms and tones and not lines,and did you try loomis or even reading the sticky like the other guy said?