/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

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WutFace

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Does anyone know what those two muscles in the crotch are called? Those 2 identical muscles that are marked and can be seen in the surface when you apply force. Are they the gracilis muscle? help please

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>>3048049
Just google it. Pretty sure it's somewhere on the internet

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From the last thread, working on cleanup, and trying to improve contrast. Would really appreciate some critiques to guide me in the right direction.

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tried to draw this

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>>3048061

>>3048062
brchan will know about this
maybe not today, but eventually

>>3048062
>>3048061
Do you really need people to tell you where you went wrong here?

>>3048062
lmao

>>3048058
I don't know what exactly makes this look weird. I think it might be the weird door or the excessively slender guy. The wall also looks a bit too empty. Everything else is pretty good. The guy just looks so shit for some reason. I guess it's just his anatomy that looks amateurish.

The car looks kinda good though. Did you use a reference for that?

>>3048058
The dude's anatomy seems a bit strange. His right shoulder is dropped and long while his waist is stiff, makes him look unnatural. His foot against the wall is too low or something, it feels like it's levitating and not like it's grounded against the wall. The leg that connects to the floor should maybe have a more straight angle? It also feels like it's disjointed from the rest of his body. Maybe use a reference for that pose, although cliche it's probably tricky to nail down, since the weight of the body is partly resting against the wall..

The wheel we can see f the car doesn't feel in perspective either, feels strange. The light's better than last time but if could be even brighter near the lamp. Also, from that angle, wouldn't the cast shadow from the thingy on top of the door be a lot bigger, since the light is right on top/behind it?

>>3048071
What the fuck does "excessively slender" even supposed to mean?

>>3048076
In this case his clothes are too big

>>3048076
I think he should be a little more robust to be realistic. He looks too thin. His suit is also too simple. He just doesn't look right to me.

>>3048071
Have you ever seen a real person take a smoke and have his shoulders go low like that? Especially in a suit

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>>3048071
>>3048075
>>3048084

I tried to fix the guy up a little bit and then bring out the contrast just a bit more and add a little bit more interest to the suit. Im not sure how to add more interest to the wall, maybe some posters?

>>3048084
Definitely doesn't look as shit as that, m8.

>>3048091
Nice. Much better. You should just fix his legs/feet orientations now. Some more dirty marks in the wall would make it more realistic too.

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>>3048091
Every picture I find of that pose the legs are very different from your drawing. Leg that goes against the wall creates some sort of 90 degree angle, between wall and lower part of leg.

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>>3048091
another ref check legs again

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>>3048091

I did a quick paintover. This is based on my knowledge on lighting (so far). I'm a beginner just like you. So take it with a grain of salt.

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I feel like a retard. I'm spending so much time on them but I'm probably doing them wrong and not learning anything.

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>>3048062

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>>3048155
Looks pretty good, next try applying it to figures or objects.

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Is there anything wrong in this photo study? Trying to learn how to paint a turban/head scarf. reference: (http://i.imgur.com/PQLzlfd.jpg)

>>3048155
Learning comes from experience.
No point in practicing this kinda stuff if you don't often put into actual work.

It's like learning how to fight in a battle from only reading books.

>>3048163
The beard and mustache looks pretty awful, the mouth doesn't seem to align with his teeth, and that wrinkle that covers his eye on the left looks too solid like a bone.

The scarf looks great to me, but I know nothing of drawing clothes so w.e.

if I draw my gesture in pen, how can I build more on top of it without it getting horribly messy?

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Do my blobs look more 3D with this poor attempt at shading?

No matter what i do I can't figure out how to draw the stretch and squeeze, I can draw okay beans but not much aside from that.

>>3048180
You can draw lightly with a ballpoint pen and then work over that with darker lines

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how can I add shoulders?

>>3048219

Handlebars and coathangers

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Still working on drawing what I see. This is me going back to fundamentals after years of shortcuts. Any feedback is appreciated, but I'd also love to know what resources you've personally had the most success with when going back to relearn shit you've had the biggest problems with.

>>3048191
You pretend they each have their own personal lightsource, yeah.

>>3048191
No amount of fluffing around will help you to understand what it means to think in 3D overnight. The more still lives you do and the more you try to internalize it, it'll help better. Using a value-friendly medium like charcoal can also be beneficial as it forces you to think in value rather than just lines like you are now.

>>3048155

If you're the same guy from last thread, then you are improving a bit. No point continuing to grind them for now if it frustrates you so much, you can always come back to it when you have trouble drawing similar forms later on and do what >>3048164 said too

>>3048236
The main problem i see you have are the lines, try to make them smooth and less jagged, also look up skull planes and try to draw that, it will improve your ability to see shapes

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>>3048236
I think you could spend more time on it, especially focusing on the line quality. It might help to do construction drawings as well, alongside the line drawings.

>>3048163
Thanks, anon, I'll try to work on that next, I guess I neglected the areas I wasn't specifically studying.
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I'm a beginner at skulls as well, is this master study accurate? Reference (https://www.artstation.com/artwork/wPxG5)

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>>3047984
okay not nearly enough time was put into the construction of this

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Hey guys. I just started deciding to draw seriously, but here's a drawing I made the other day.

Can you tell me what exactly I need to improve on the most?

Do I really have to pay attention to my hatching technique if I'm not going to use a pencil ever again once I'm confident enough with fundamentals?

>>3048300

What a dumb question

>>3048301
So do I?

Tell me about hair please.
It's the thing I'm having the most trouble with on the head.

>>3048295
>37kb

>>3048326
hair is lots of individual strands that make up a bigger collection of stands

Do I really have to look at my paper when I draw?

>>3048354
No

>>3048354
>not keeping your eyes shut 24/7 and learning to draw by intuitive feel

we got a ngmi over here guys

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>>3048357
>>3048358
Actually my cousin, who is a professional artist and does it for a living, said that I should try drawing with the paper behind my back because it will help to free up my lines.

Is it true?

>>3048365
Well, you can try.

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What am I doing wrong here? Aside from everything.

>>3048365
Yes. My brother-in-law who works for Feng Zhu had taught me a variation of that but I was to be hanging upside-down from my ceiling. The bloodflow direction helps you draw better.

>>3048289
Why did you make him a cuntboy?

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Fuck man, the left eye on the right study is atrocious. I know that. But what did I do to make it look like a man?

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unfinished a, but something feels off about the piece. any ideas on how i should shade?

>>3048416
Stop being so goddamn lazy and using manga shit as a crutch.

>>3048422
>manga

It's worse. It's pretty obviously the cookie-cutter tumblr rehash you see on every other blog.

>>3048416
I swear man. This is tumblr-tier drawing.

>>3048416
Think of a light source and how it would affect the forms, then - wait, no, actually...
Just use select the character, create a multiply layer and fill it with a random color of yout choice, then erase random bits of it and you will have a fitting cell shading look in under a minute.

So I'm able to draw lips but when I try doing that on a face they look bad, why is that?

>>3048416
1. Study faces, (wtf is up with those eyes)
2. Clean up your lines
3. you are coloring over the lines wtf

This took you literally 2min didn't it? pls refrain from posting shit tier sketches. Your wasting peoples time and eventually nothing of yours will get critique again.

>>3048358
kek

>>3048422
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>>3048429
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>>3048466
Holy shit you guys are some salty faggots. Post your work!

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>>3048469
at least I put in more effort than 2min

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>>3048049

>>3048469
If youre looking for asspats go back to tumblr.

>>3048295
read the sticky dude come on are you even trying

every day with you people

>>3048508
His art was good, better than a lot of people in this thread.

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tried painting only with values with no lines today for the first time
so many things seems off
ref from some other thread

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How do i create something visually appealing?

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Some quick walker idea thumbnails. How do you guys come up with interesting shapes and designs?
1/3

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>>3048535

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>>3048536
and one more

>>3048470

That looks awesome!

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Rate my rendering. Also is rendering basically just messing around with it until it looks right? I need to get out of the headspace that painting should be completed within only an hour or two

>>3048515
Easy, comfort-zone cartoons don't count as good here, it's just a cheap way to make yourself feel better about yourself.

>>3048538
these are nice, 27 is my favorite

next make some more detailed variations of that one

>>3048477
you need to study fat deposits, she would look like she suffers from malnutrition like that

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>>3048534
Try making cakes.

>>3048477
thank you so much!!!!!

I'm fine with drawing a single character but I find find it difficult to draw characters interacting with each other (hugging, kissing, etc). Where can I get good references for stuff like that?

>>3048600
Have you googled 'people hugging' or 'people kidding'? There's thousands of ref pics for things like that since it's something a lot of people struggle with. Also watch shows on Netflix and shit then screenshot when you see people interacting in a way you want to draw them. If you're looking for cuddly shit watch some chick flicks.

>>3048546
>is rendering just messing around with it until it looks right?

no. think of rendering as building on top of previous strokes, not "messing around."

learn rules of light and values, learn to use brush strokes efficiently. every stroke should add something useful, every stroke should be made with the understanding that they will underlie some next set of strokes and contribute to the appearance of the final image.

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>>3047985
Working on this atm, made some rough lines and mapped where im going to put colour, probably going to work on the shapes a bit more before i start playing with colour

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What the fuck do I do to improve my values and make them more believable/realistic? Also, can someone give me a general critique on the piece please?

>>3048622
please give me critique or points to improve upon

>>3048539
Thanks senpai but dont get too excited.
This is one of my lessons from schoolism. I just drew the same monster as the instructir and tried painting like he did. It isnt even finished yet.
I'll do a personal when I've completed the lesson then I'll post here and see what happens

>>3048525
I would suggest trying some hard shadows. The whole thing looks soft. Try on the hairline, on some of the curls etc. Mess around a it see if it will look any better

>>3048534
I find this visually appealing already. But if you wish for more try emphesising. Like animators do. Such movements and poses arent really natural but they do emphesise the beautiful aspects of the subject. Try think what is it that you like about a whale and emphesise it. Ipersonally like the fact that its so long and its tail, so I'd make it curve even more for example. Try it, see if anything comes up

>>3048535
>>3048536
>>3048538
Insects and other wildlife, no joke.nature has some incredible designs so draw inspiration from it. For example add mosquito legs and I dunno.... puffer fish spikes on the top.
Tons of stuff you can mix, just try to keep in mind to not go too crazy, be sure all the parts have a purpose for a what appears to be a war machine. So i dunno you could make the spikes discharge electricity or blow out smoke, maybe because of the many legs and their design it will be a really stable machine so its hard to knock down so maybe make it a tank, add something like a tortoise shell or maybe a sea conch.
Go nuts anon, nature is a great ally.

>>3048563
To be fair this is a muscle tutorial. Fat would add unnecessary confusion to a beginner or would be in the way of getting the knowledge across.

>>3048600
On dA the artist named KateFox has posted a bunch of "couples" poses if I recall. Dunno about anything other than couples tho

>>3048622
Construction. A lot of stuff is off because you went bit by bit drawing the body without thinking how it all connecs in the end.
I recommend making a basic skelly and some basic shapes implying muscle shapes and then adding the skin on top of it all.
If you really wanna finish this and want to focus on just rendering for now, add in more red/purple etc. The skin looks very dead currently since skin is made up of many colors and hues. Keep on placing down rough shadows as correctly as possible and render it all nicely. Other than lacking construction I believe your preperation for the render is sufficient (pls take not im also a beginner so...dont quote me on that)

>>3048646
i just realised how correct you are, a huge amount is out of place even if just by a couple of milimeters, Im going to work on fixing the body shape then im going to add colour as i did in the last image, ill update you here as to how it goes

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>>3048646
i adapted the body shapes without building the skeleton first as the first shapes where imo close enough, Next time ill be sure to use a skeleton to build ontop of,

>>3048656
I must admit anon I thought it had a few terrible mistakes but turns out theres more lines marking how it will be in the end. Tr to tone down a bit on the chicken scratching if you can. As for the piece watch the curves. The human body is made out of lots of fat that "rounds" everything up. Be carefull around the butt and back to not cut it too sharply.try remembering where the big muscles are like the biceps or large fat stores and where it folds. Tight and going inwards near a joint (elbow, wrist) and expanding in betweel then. (Mainly lookin at the arms). Keep going

>>3048633

Which class? I've been thinking of subscribing.

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>>3047988
Aside from eyes being too wide and hair which I didn't bother with, any other critique?

I'm thinking I would really benefit from a graphic tablet, since I keep noticing mistakes and want to improve them while going in for details and seeing relation and all, do you guys think I have some potential?

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>>3048661
Just gonna throw updates here so you can see progress.

>>3048664
I recommend desu. Im gonna take almost all of them. Im in need of some fundies but I went for andrew hou- introduction to digital painting first because i really wanted that and im new to it. He shows 2 different ways to paint one is more cell shading and the other painting and he showed in 1 whole lesaon layer effects and how to use them etc.
I can gove you some more details if u wish b4 u sub

>>3047650

>>3048665
I mean I have improved compared to this, right?
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>>3048661

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Some figure drawing (I think?) from Fun with a pencil.

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sorry for semi-potato quality

starting getting back into watercolor again. suggestions for field journals? did this on mixed media paper and it sucks ass

>>3048628
Any critique?

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Are these blobs any better than my last ones? I put shadows from a single light source.

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>>3048775
Without shadows

Is it normal to not be able to visualize what you want to draw? Being able to think a general concept but not being able to "preview" where to put the lines on the paper.

>>3048789
that's what sketching is for

>>3048384
I dip my 9 inch penis in ink and have sex with my canvas to draw, trust me I work for Disney.

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>>3047988

best book on classical pencil rendering?

>>3048702
answer this

>>3048391
it was me over shooting a line and forgetting about it

>>3048819
it's shit and sloppy

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/beg/ here.

Trying to practice muh Loomis to break 20 years of bad habits in doodling, in my free time at work, and I can't, for the life of me, get basic face construction right... This is sheet #5, and probably my best couple attempts

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Just finished the first semester of life drawing offered at my CC. Worked with charcoal (for like the first time) on 18x24. I'm currently reading "Keys to drawing" and I was thinking of drawing on the right side of the brain next. Should I skip that and go straight to loomis?
Also fabric is an issue, but I figure I should work on the fundies first.
Thoughts?

>>3048848
You got more issues than fabric, my friend.

>>3048776
shade a sphere

how the fuck am i supposed to render with a mechanical pencil?

Do you guys have any tutorials for shoulders and necks?

>>3048872
draw the whole body

>>3048874
/beg/ in a nutshell

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>>3048862
I tried with a pen sorry

>>3048890
If you're gonna do it with a pen, you're better off using dot matrix, or a cross hatch method

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>>3048867
Try crosshatching

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>>3048770
i'm with u anon.
aight first don't be afraid of contrast, use a bright white for the highlights, we're talking metal after all. To make it non boring details and color differences go a long way. like for example don't use strictly black><white, use like a very dark blue etc.
For parts that are protruding add rim lighting. Here's my attempt

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>>3048906
and here's the tutorials

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>>3048911
sorry that they're not in English but if you just analyse whats different step by step you'll see it's very simple. ask if you don't understand a step or something.
As for the work itself the whole image is kinda skewed in one direction. primarily the upper body.
I suggest using basic shapes and constructing before going into the actual work, so you can place everything correctly and see if it works together before going in too deep.
Good luck

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>>3048942

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>>3048842

So, after a bit of research, I figured I was missing a few steps, and had been following some incomplete sources for the Loomis methodoIogy, so picked up a couple of Loomis' books to get it straight from the horse's mouth.

How'd I do?

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>>3048948
u did good son

>>3048953
Tight.

I was gonna get "Fun With a Pencil", but there were no cheap copies, and it looked like mostly cartoons? Despite my sorry attempts above, I'm relatively competent at drawing newspaper comic-tier cartoons, so I'm sure these will be more useful

>>3048641
Gotcha man, thanks!

>>3048553
I'm gonna try to model them out when I get my computer back, thanks anon

>>3048412
Seems like the right-hand face has a very effeminate bone structure bar the hook-nose, maybe it's just the features
Simply to make a man look like a man you need to make it less round. But in order to make it look like anything you need to work on shape design; that's more important than anything else in my opinion.
Yours is pretty good for the eyes (the right eye of the right study both eyes of the other) but I suggest you take some time to understand eyebrows, mouths and jaws

I know nothing about Art so probably don't take my advice. I sense potential

>>3048948
just pirate it you dolt

>>3048942
leave /beg/

>>3048980
>not wanting to own hard-copies of great books
>not having references available to you, even in the event of a total blackout

Have fun not being /zeroprogress/, after the apocalypse, anon.

>>3048984
Why?

Everything's flat, the lines are trash, and it's literally nothing beyond a torso/

That belongs firmly in /beg/

>>3048990
If there's a total blackout, the least of your concerns will be grinding Loomis. It will be food, water, shelter.

Loomis is not a bible. It's just one book, out of hundreds of thousands of "how to draw"books printed over the years. Reading it doesn't make you special, and while a lot of try hards here fetishize it and meme it to death, you can be an accomplished artist without ever reading it.

>>3048622
Your anatomy is poor at best. The feet and hands are cop outs and lazy. Your lack of understanding of the human body and muscle masses is readily apparant. Not including a head is incredibly dumb. Your colors are all wrong, skin is a peachy base with warm and cool colors defining highlights and shadows. Your lighting is completely off, wrong, and in some ways impossible.

This is way above your skill level. Learn to draw the body accurately, then move on to rendering in color. You're literally just throwing color around with no idea why you're choosing to put it there.

If you're working from a reference please post it. If you're trying to create this from scratch, just stop, you aren't skilled enough for that.

If this was submitted in a class I was teaching, it would get a D at best.

>>3048867
The same way you would with a non-mechanical. Graphite is graphite.

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>>3049027
>>3049027
how about this? This is my progress

>>3049031
You're just compounding new mistakes over old ones. This is beyond your skill level, you need to master the fundamentals before trying something like this.

What you're creating is ugly and flawed.

>>3049031
>>3047985
id personally say the anatomy is pretty fitting to the reference though, maybe the tones are incorrect but i feel like your anatomy argument is wrong

>>3049034
also i realise the top half and the hand is shit, i havent got to those yet

>>3049021
And I'm sure many animators got good without reading Richard Williams, but you're a fool, if you don't think his books are the lifeblood of the industry. I dare you to find an animation school without him in the curriculum.

Hell, I doubt you could find a credible art school without Loomis in it.

>>3049040
The art school of 4chan.
checkmate.

>>3048996
if you seriously think that then you're ngmi

>>3049041
>4chan
>Credible

Let's be real, we were /fakenews/ before it was cool

>>3049031
could someone please give me an opinion on this. how about you nosebro?

How do you develop a style, when i draw i tend to just copy exactly what (to a level i'm sort of happy with) but i do want to be able to make something unique

>>3049040
Nonsense. You're just pulling that straight out of your ass, because I'm criticizing the Holy Loomis.

I'd bet you $100 you can't find a single art school course with Loomis on the syllabus.

Go on, find one. I triple dog dare you.

Give me one reason not to buy Paint Tool SAI right now.

>>3049058
Study the way multiple other artists approach the same subject matter you're interested in, make a conscious choice of sticking to established approach or develop a new approach. Make it your own and perhaps expand on it. You will likely never be making something that is truely unique, unless you go hard into contemporary art.

>>3049065
It costs money

>>3048915
Fucking damn, thanks anon! That helps a lot!

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what am i doing wrong? critique plz

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>>3049061
Tell that to SCAD

>that'll be $100

>>3049071
So what would you recommand instead? I don't really like Krita anymore, and the other free softwares just can't compete, can they?

>>3049087
>So what would you recommand instead?
I don't know, I'm a tradfag. You just asked for a reason why not to buy something.

>>3049079
Eye scream is half decent, just make the drip more convincing, and it's already breddy gub.

Skull needs moar Loomis

>>3049065
Clip Studio Paint is better

>>3049091
Fair enough

>>3049098
Guess I'll give it a try since there seems to be a free trial.
I actually didn't know it existed until 5 min ago.

>>3049102
It's Manga Studio's new name. I think it's still on sale rn. Might wanna jump on that

>>3049083
Those are copies in the library, you dumb fucking jackass, not in the syllabus for a class.

Seriously, how fucking dumb are you?

>>3049107
What do you mean? It says 46 € rn for the basic version, is it less than usual?

>>3049031
anyone got some opinions on this ? still got a lot to do of course.

>>3049116
$25 is their sale price, you probably missed it
Use the trial and see if it's good for you. They do sales every few weeks

>>3049137
Thanks for the advice mate.

>>3049072
np senpai, enjoy
>>3049031
I like the different tones you added, looks much better than previous one, as for the render try to go at it with a soft brush and render the skin so theres no hard blobs of color, post progress

>>3049155
Thanks ill post updates tomorrow as i dont think ill be continuing work tonight

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>>3049157

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rate each one plzz

>>3049165
if you combined 2nd and 3rd it would be dope, or just add some more volume and variation to the 2nd ones petals.
2 is my fav, 1 is meh and forgettable. My personal opinion tho

>>3049160
oh no's
sleep tight, boss

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Could someone give me crit on this please? I'm struggling to decide what skills I should focus on/improve next

>>3048984

For copying off a tutorial image? What?

>>3049233
arm out of socket. lighting is incorrect

>>3048195
I guess so. But at that point I might as well just get pencils. Maybe I'll just do that

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>>3048061

>>3049244
how do you just get baited like that

>>3049034
This /beg/inner doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. The only way to be good at something is to be bad first, there's mastering bullshit. It could have been a color study and he still would call you out on other shit that's not even your focus.

>>3048665
Youre starting to notice head shape which is good, but not bothering with the hair makes it look like he doesn't have a top.
draw in the entire structure of the nose so you don't make the mistake of making it look flat, the width of the eyes is fine, right around the muzzle is where things can be worked out more, underneath the nose is the cleft i think? push the lips further up and to the right because it doesn't line up. There is also more space between the bottom lip and the bottom of the chin.

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>>3047990

>>3049083
>1892
These books are old as fuck.

>>3049233
No eyebrowns.
Only thing you did amazingly good is the colors, everything else is lacking.

>>3049331
I remember you already posted this, someone told you the obvious that his forehead is too fucking small, and you got butt-hurt and said "muh style". Why are you posting again? What do you want? The forehead is still too small.

>>3048848
I can't say much on the work itself other than there is a LOT more for you to work on, but honestly Keys to Drawing and RSOTB are more or less two sides of the same coin. imo keep practicing with Keys to Drawing lessons, but start with construction training (Loomis, Proko). Also practice your fucking lines, you need some Draw a Box in your life.

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>>3048061

>>3049302
her eye isn't pointed towards the nose enough I believe. If you compare it to the oregano you'll see what I mean.

I'm so fucking sick of trying hard at learning how to draw but failing. I can't even practice properly. None of the lessons from the sticky or online videos are working for me, I can't retain any information or apply it since I'm apparently retarded. Why do I have to be so fucking shit at everything? I'm considering going back to cutting myself, I hate myself so much at least the feeling of failure can go away for a bit if I do that.

>>3049501
Because to get good, you have to be shit at everything and fail a lot. You are learning. I feel you though, I get sick of it, but there's no other way around it. It's impossible to succeed on the first time. Self harm though, probably not a good way of coping family. Keep drawing and make sure to see the successes you have made.

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>tfw can't sketch a circle so I have to freehand with my shoulder until I get something that resembles one enough
Halp

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I don't like how this turned out. Feedback?

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>>3049515
reference

Can somebody post a random ref from their folder for me to work on? I can't choose for myself

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>>3049524
np

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>>3049524

>>3049507
Just restate your lines as your draw it. do small lines reinstated rather than trying to do the entire thing in one. That's what I personally do anyway, I'm just a beginner too but I can draw circles good.

That's what I do personally and it works alright.

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Self port that I'm too scared to post in the actual thread

>>3049538
m/f?

>>3049542
i am a guy... i think that is obvious

>>3049545
you have very femme features. are you a huge nelly bottom boy?

>>3049550
this is not appropriate discussion for the beginner thread

>>3049550
Apologize to that young anon rn unless you want me to get your mother on the phone

>>3049538
you'll never clean up your paintings will you?

>>3049242

Nice one Seth.

>>3049573
1) take the picture from straight up
2) no one cares about your details, the big picture is what matters. anyone can fill in the details. stop wasting your time on them.

>>3049570
Some day. It is fascinating that you can id me. Once I get the idea down I feel satisfied and will noodle with it for an hour or so then leave it be, unfortunately.

>>3049533
>>>terrorwave

>>3049538
tfw no qt /beg/ azn bf

Why is the beginner thread the worst thread to ask for tips on /ic/? Why most people who post their art here aren't even at the beginning level? Why no one calls them out?

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I tried drawing this, and I couldn't find something to measure parts against.

>>3049707
Unless they study very hard, I would say that you're a beginner for the first 2 years or so. There are some pieces I've seen in /beg/ that didn't belong there, but mostly it's good.

>>3049708
post your work

>>3049708
then measure it against the features of the subject using relative angles..

I'm making a program that gives me drawing challenges in the form of 3d rendered forms (heh) to copy. It adapts to my results. The better I do, the more complex my challenges, from copying the angle of a straight line to accurately simplifying an extreme pose of a realistic human figure.

I will use myself as a guinea pig.

If you have any ideas for challenges I could put in, feel free to suggest them. Mostly anything you can think of is probably technically feasible, if not with a simple algorithm, by using an off the shelf GAN/CNN/RNN.

>>3049754
Umm. I dunno try to add in some "texture" challanges? Like make it shoot out a 3d or 2d render of a ball or cilinder of for example fur or different kinds of rocks. To get better at recreating texture using light and shadow.
my 2 cents

>>3049759
yeah, that is already in the plan. it will use realistic PBR materials, realistic textures, it will have environmental stuff, (rocks, yes, but everything from streams to mountains), it will have lots of different materials to render (from skin to metals passing by fur) with different lighting setups, different camera angles, different perspective distorsions and so on.

everything will be procedurally generated.

What I'm asking is more about abstract stuff. I have planned stuff for (curved) lines, ellipses, polygons, circles, simple 3d form boolean additions/substraction and so on, but I don't know what kind of abstract exercises artists usually do.

>>3047706
I just wanted to say thank you for the redline, it helps a lot. I wanted to post fixed version but it seems I still need to study more.

>>3049761
well any of my more abstract warmups for lines and stuff is all like "just do this", not really anything needs to be thrown at my face or generated.
Sry anon maybe somebody else has a better idea for that than I do

>>3049780
>thrown at my face or generated
the advantage of the generation is that the program then grades you and is able to give you material around your skill level containing more of your weak spots and less of what you are already good at.

the idea is that a machine learning algorithm should be more impartial and better than you at judging your art.

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>>3048255
I like the colours in yours more desu

>>3049711
Except that after some time a person enters the intermediate level, you can't say that >>3048058 >>3048163 >>3048255 >>3049165 are on the beginner level because they clearly use well a lot of the basics.

>>3048733
Watch those proportions, the nose, collar, ear, and left side of the face are off.

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>>3049160
>>3049155

>>3048365
possibly.
my fathers great uncles 4 times removed grandmothers great great grandfathers left ballsack use to say "eat the paper and the drawing magic will flow through you"

>>3049807
Thanks, Doumo arigatou
>>3049813
Those two middle ones were mine, sorry if they don't belong here. I posted them because I don't know where else to get critiques. I'll try to find elsewhere next time.

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>>3049155
>>3049838
A little more progress, anyone want to share opinions please. :)

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>>3048776
I tried some extrusions of organic forms. I have no idea if any of these make any sense tho.

>>3049866
dang theyre cool imo, i can tell one is a fish, and one is a shroom

>>3049864
nice going, keep softening up the edges of the shadows so the transitions are smooth

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first time tried on tablet, any tips about tablet drawing? should i make fast, long strokes or maybe shorter like on paper? i used short strokes

>>3049896
do whatever works

>>3049896

It's kinda chicken scratchy in a few parts imo
Try using longer strokes

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>>3049868
thanks. i kinda like how this one turned out

>>3049936
Ahhh me too reminds me of a cargo plane

So, I bought a graphic tablet (NEW 1060 PLUS) but I'll admit it I'm feeling a bit overwhelmed since this is all new to me, I've never drawn anything digital before, I was strictly drawing traditional before. I downloaded a bunch of programs to see whether everything was working as intended or not. I think I'll try to get good with Clip Studio Paint I think as I read good things about it.

Anyway, does anyone have any tips or advice? Like some sort of course, stuff I could read or whatever I could follow to reach a point where I more or less know what I'm doing? I don't mean drawing-wise but more like tool-wise. I'd just really like some tips, guidelines and advice if possible. Thanks for reading.

>>3049951
you have literally thousands of PS/clip/sai/kryta beginners guides. stop being lazy

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I was bored so I tried coloring it

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>>3047991

I'm generally just a doodler, but I watched a few of Alphonso Dunn's hatching videos on youtube and I want to start doing stuff like that. Should I buy his book and a thing of pens/sketchbook and go at it?

>>3049571
The fuck is Seth? I have a vagina

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I've been doing Draw A Box lessons for a couple days now and I know my, well, everything is bad. Wobbly lines, terrible line weight, constantly over/undershooting, badly misaligned perspective/depth, constantly doing corrections even though the lesson says not to. What I'm wondering is whether I should keep moving forward in the lessons and hope these problems slowly correct as I go, or stop here and keep practicing these first couple of exercises until I have better pen control?

>>3050099
stop self doubting. you have potential. drawabox is about grinding, but NOT mindless grinding.

redo these first lessons. when in doubt - REDO THEM AGAIN.

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can i get a critique, yes i know my lines are shit. Its a sketch, but i know i shouldn't use that as an excuse.

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>>3050114
oops, resized the image

>>3050106
I see, thanks. Then I think I'll practices lines and planes a bit more then move on to the next lesson

>>3050094
>I have a vagina
Post it so we can all take turns drawing it.

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How am I doing here

>>3050116
>>3050114
The perspective starts to change at his hip area you are not simulating that correctly

>>3050099

Here's what people don't tell you. You don't have to be perfect at each lesson to move on to the next. You just need to understand the point of that lesson.

Also lesson 1 and 2 is meant to be a warm up before any practice you do. 1 to 2 pages, 20 to 30 minutes everyday. This will make your line control better. You can increase or decrease the time but don't skip it.

>>3049813

You can't see the mistakes in those? It's a very beginner mistake.

There's multiple level in the beginner stage before you break into intermediate. These anons are still beginner.

Even if you can perfectly copy a ref but produce shit imaginative work. You're a beginner.

>>3048058
shoulders are a bit fucked up, and the head is totally fucked too

>>3048535
>>3048536
>>3048538
4 & 9 are lit

>>3049538
im not even a beginner yet. can you tell me all software, brushes and equipment like drawing tablets or anything you used to make this?

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>>3048219

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there

>>3050229
Photoshop. Hard round brush that comes with Photoshop. Wacom tablet. If you're "not even a beginner yet" you should stick to pencil and paper for the first couple months anyway

>>3050231
why did you try to redline at a front-facing angle when the original drawing is a facing-up angle?

>>3050241
the power of beglining

I just want to say I'm proud and jealous of you all, faggots

You're here working hard doing studies and improving. You'll get better. I wish I could be like you.

>>3050256
>doesn't even draw yet
>lurking
>in my underwear
Thanks a lot anon, it means a lot.

>dont draw for 3 days
>2 weeks of progress gone

hardly seems fair

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>>3049031
Good effort, I did a paint over last night but 4chan died.

I'd appreciate critiques on it too.

>>3048295
Your art is too stylized, is that a midget? a child?
tell us what it is or what its suppose to be.
all we can do is make assumptions of whats it should be and you can just deny it by saying "its suppose to be like that"

>>3050264
You have to gain the muscle memory.

IC, good tips on how to start value studies, and on how to draw proper faces?

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Does it look better with this filter

>>3050305

Wow, you're still working on this.

>>3050313
I know, my progress is painfully slow. I work on it from time to time

>>3049515
>>3049517
pls give feedback

>>3049515
>>3049517
>>3050320
Its not even the same perspective, actually draw what you SEE, not what you THINK you see.
Trash it, Start over, Keep drawing.

>>3050320
you made an ape look like more of an ape, gj

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>>3049708

I gave it a go...

>>3050116
I don't like how you did the boobs. They're symbols. Also fix her left eye.

>>3048470
He is a friend and I love him!!! blog?

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trying to get back to gersture and figure stuff, was focusing on ribcage but I'm not doing so great

>>3050345
k
>>3050349
suck it you bastard

>>3050134
Stiff and bad perspective.
The neck is uncomfortable, knees are bad, left thigh is twisting painfully from the leg.
shoulder to clavicle has bad perspective.

>>3050538
Thanks for that.

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How do I set my scroll wheel click as a keybind?

I want to click my mouse button in order to get to the 'move' tool but I can't just click it as I change the keybinds like I can for other keys. Is it even possible? Google isn't telling me shit.

>>3050452
the 'symbols' are construction anatomy. youre an idiot stop posting

>>3050624
>muh construction
>muh anatomy
>muh loomis
shut yo bitch ass up.

>>3050624
by now you should realize nobody in this thread knows what they're doing and it's a containment from the draw thread. you dont need to post about it

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>punched a bunch of stuff yesterday with my friends, we were frisbying clay pigeons at eachother and punching them into pieces
>it was fun but now my hand is a bit swollen
>hurts when I draw
Should I just draw through it or have a break for a little bit? I managed to get this far with the cat but couldn't do the final layer because my hand was hurting too much.

>>3050134
you're doing great. keep drawing like shit and you'll eventually get some DOPE deviantart commissions

>>3050638
You typed something that literally meant nothing. I'm glad you wasted your, and especially my, time by typing that out.

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okay so I know these are cancer incarnate thumbnails, but is this method of breaking down the figure in perspective more or less correct?

>>3050666
Kinda. You're definitely on the right track. It's a good way of thinking of the image. But it's also contrived as fuck.

>>3050643
do you have a blog i can follow more of your life events for

>>3050700
>>3050700
>>3050700

>>3050700
>>3050700
>>3050700

>>3050700
>>3050700
>>3050700

>>3050624
What did he mean by this?

>>3050286
Thanks man I've still got quite a while to go before I'm finished. I suppose im just a slow artist

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First colored pencil drawing, please critique. anything i should do differently?

>>3050452
>what is construction?
pls refrain from posting, your in no position to give feedback

>>3050458
don't have one, sry :/>
w8.... Andrew is a friend of yours?

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>>3050814
also just finished this, just line, no shades.

>>3050814
It's like, okay. The values are a bit odd in some spots. Needs more contrast

>>3050827
What's up with the squiggles?

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Critique me please? Im so conflicted with this peice!

>>3051325
This could literally be the example for symbol drawing on the /ic/wiki

>>3051345
Will you please explain what that means to him?

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>>3051520
Read the sticky.

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Day 7. Kinda late on posting. Done with faces.July 8-14 will be poses

>>3051722
uh

>>3051820
I now that the head is fucked but how's the face? That's the focal point