/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

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I have a difficult time finding a proper reference for the behaviour of the female torso in this position.

Reference or redline would be helpful, because I don't like the leg/crotch area

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>>3043190
This doesnt really help but maybe it'll let you break it down easier...

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>>3043212
theres like 500 images here. i probably missed a good one

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I guess I improved or something

>mother used to give me harsh reviews, /ic/ tier because she herself was an excellent artist
>get diagnosed schizophrenic paranoid
>she starts telling me that I'm doing very good and wont tell me what to improve on anymore
>now I'm back here and lurking instead of drawing

I'm counting on you guys to give me help, the pictures are shit but I don't want to be told I'm good when I know for a fact that im not anywhere near mastery

her last review was "your doing good, you can't force yourself to improve at any faster a rate, but you have improved."

>>3043222
shit forgot link
michachondriak.deviantart.com

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Guess who's got the next thread's image.
That's right, me.
I'm gonna end up shooting myself.

>>3043210
>>3043216
Awesome! Did you sign up for Proko premium?

>>3043254
from cgpeers

>>3043190
you know, if your mom isnt home you can get naked and take a selfie of yourself in that position and end up with at least a remote reference

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>>3043108

>>3043287
sticky

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The only thing I really tried about was face

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attack of bad anatomy

>>3043280
Thought of it, but my male hips differ from female hips. It would not be pretty nor accurate as reference.

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>>3043107
I'm really fucking close to killing myself anons, art is all I have and I'm so shit at it it isn't funny. I've been doing this for a year and I'm so bad it hurts.

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>>3043105
Am I going in the right direction?

>>3043326
You may be bad but you are certainly better than the normies. As long as you are actively trying to improve your creative abilities, your life has infinitely more value than you probably think it does. Here are some rendering tutorials you should check out: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TOLh8o5PtZYr4KYq3yIkUXXnaiU3n6fi-FZMJ4-gqCc/edit

>>3043293
Finish this, render anon

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>>3043108
keep practicing man

>>3043343
Oof, slightly tilted the centerline of the face on the left one but that's all right. Hopefully you see the problem with hat and the eyes at least

>>3043326
Is there something you don't understand about art? Something we can help you with? A question?

Side note, if art is all you have you should try talking to a therapist or counselor. It really helped me turn my life around when I was painfully alone, bitter and hurt.

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>>3043337
>finish it
... I think I'm getting stage fright

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I tried. First draw of the day. Still plenty a ways to go.

>>3043355
samefag

>those fucking eyes jesus

Should I try to redo them off to the side or should I just move on and make sure to not fuck up the eyes in the next one?

>>3043359
its a fairly rough draft so redo it

KISS - keep it simple stupid. your drawing is extremely stylized, draw what you actually see in the ref

also ditch the pinstripe shading thing

>>3043222
>>3043226
anybody?

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Sorry for edginess...

>>3043222
You've got some good stuff, some bad stuff. Not sure what to say, keep practicing fundies and anatomy

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>>3043355

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Just finished this. Looks like something you'd see on an autistic person's deviantart. Critique me please, I want to get better.

My self critique would be to have an idea of the pose and what I'd like to express with it combined with her facial expression before I draw. Because I didn't, her face looks blank and her pose doesn't express anything.

>>3043384
I've read through this a number of times, I get what it is saying, "draw exactly what you see, not the idea of what you see"

I just struggle with seeing the shapes, especially when they get smaller like the folds of the eyelids etc.

I dunno I think I just haven't developed that part of my sight well enough yet. Back to drawing ref.

>>3043394
Research gesture drawing, and make it a habit to draw as many as possible every day. Gesture is the basis of a good figure, upon which the volumes of the body can be modelled. But you need to think about the wireframe before you even consider details. It is fundamental.

>>3043397
you're not suppose to SEE the shapes.
you're suppose to literally draw the shapes you saw.

>>3043394
you dont need a critique, you need practice
go draw some more and look at her anatomy.

Dont try to draw a unique picture, try to recreate the reference.

>>3043404
I know what gesture drawing is! I'm not really sure what you mean by wireframe though.

Do you have any gesture drawing tips I could have?

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Hi guys. Just created this. I'll try to finish it using copics and it will be my first try. What do you guys think? It took 30 to 40 min. I wanted to know if there is something that you guys think look off.

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>>3043408
>you dont need a critique, you need practice
>tfw not even good enough for the beginner thread
I will do as you suggested though.

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>>3043416
another pic!

>>3043336
Thanks I guess anon
>>3043345
I don't know, I've had no direction, no guidance, I don't know how to study, how to do any of it. What I produce surmounts to nothing but doodles.
And I don't want to see a therapist, no one should have to deal with me, regardless of whether they're getting paid.

>>3043432
Samefag
It seems every aspect of art I struggle with, from being creative to getting what's in my head down onto paper, to studying real life material, to finding motivation to do any of it.
I can sit down with a pencil and scribble at nothing in particular for hours, but when it comes to actually making something I'm utter shit.

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>>3043355
retry hopefully less symbol than the last. sorry for poor image quality.

>>3043407
>not supposed to see shapes
>draw the shapes you saw

so you have to look at it, see the shapes, and draw the shapes you see exactly as they are, which is what I meant to imply when I was talking about seeing the shapes. I was really referring to my inability to see the shapes that I need to draw to begin with. Dunno if I'm making sense.

>>3043411
How to Draw Gesture by Proko

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Critique me you N I G G E R S

>>3043326
Anon I think you're being insanely hard on yourself, this drawing isn't bad by any means. Keep up the good work!

>>3043480
Not if you're gonna be r00d about it, jerk.

>>3043501
I'm sorry anon

>>3043480
Not bad.

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Tell me how much I suck.

Also I've been reading "Fun with a pencil" but I'm only at part one.

>>3043498
It's not right though is it?
It's not anything like the reference image.

>>3043510
first thing i want you to do is sharpen your pencil.

>>3043416
>>3043426
No tips?

>>3043510
I feel like you tried to draw straight lines instead of strokes, you get what I'm saying?

>>3043524
did you use a ref? if so post it
if not you should. It kind of looks like a man with long hair more than a woman, especially with that jawline and chin. Eyes and nose could use some work and eyebrows literally look drawn on. Lips could also use work, ears look pretty lazy.

>>3043513
I can't tell if you're fishing for compliments or really that self deprecating. It looks good. The proportions are good, the color blocking is nice, it's a good drawing. It doesn't have to look exactly like the reference to be good.

>>3043549
I'm really that self deprecating.
See here:
>>3042496

>>3043426
It looks like a dude. Do you have a wide face like that? Just wondering because it's said that people tend to unknowingly make their drawings resemble them.

So here's a few things to point out. The face is too wide and square. The eyes are too close together. The nose is too small. Chin too big. Keep practicing with a reference.

>>3043326
resize your images.

>art is all I have
No it isn't because judging by your work, you haven't spent much time doing art yet to be able to say that.

> I've been doing this for a year and I'm so bad it hurts.
Improving at art has nothing to do with your feelings. Remember that. The reason you're not improving can be narrowed down to how you practice, if you are studying correctly.

A year in drawing time doesn't amount to much. Art is not easy and you will be shitty at it in the beginning. What do you expect? Just keep practicing.

>>3043556
Jesus man, take a deep breath and chill for a minute. You're good, it doesn't matter how well other people your age are doing, and if you're so self loathing I'm going to guess you're actually at the level of your peers or better.

>>3043418
well you post didnt ask for help on something specifcally.
you just said critique it

is there something you want help with specifcally, otherwise you should just practice form

>>3043563
dood, I'm fuckin shit at everything else. Art is all I have because it's the only thing I'm mildly good at.
>>3043568
Man I'm far below my peers, I'd show you a photo of what my friend can do but I don't have it on my pc. Regardless all you have to do is ride the social media wave for a while and something will come up of someone who's still young and insanely good.

>>3043570
Learn guitar and play some blues. Sadder you are the better at it.

>>3043570
Fine, be sad and shit.

>>3043570
Nah dude I'll just off myself if this doesn't work out.

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What's the secret to drawing like Don Bluth? There's such a different between his art and the art of Disney but I can't figure out exactly what it is.

>>3043570
>Art is all I have because it's the only thing I'm mildly good at.
That's negligible. You've just started. You barely know what art is at this point to claim something like that.

>someone who's still young and insanely good.
Age has nothing to do with it. Whoever it is,, they worked hard for their skills and earned it. Maybe they've been practicing longer than you have or study better, you never know. It's kinda shitty of you to make comparisons like that though.

Quick question: Does anyone know how I can stop being a colossal faggot and just muscle through real life studies?
>"Wah wah, drawing from real life is boring! I wanna draw anime!"
>"Wah wah, my art is shit! I don't wanna draw anymore!"

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Tried stepping out of the comfort zone with a quick study

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>>3043608
My Ref

>>3043578
Sign up to his university and be taught under him to find out.

Just to warn you, I am an extreme beginner.

I've tried before to copy the upside-down Igor Stravinsky and other similar beginner exercises, but I can't even get half the image done before getting too confused by all the lines and giving up. I always feel the picture is too complicated for me to be able to copy. The lines start to end up in the wrong place and from there my brain doesn't know what to do. If I have that issue, what do I need to work on?

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>>3043108

>>3043608
you made his eyes bulge out
put them back in also you fucked with the perspective.

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Posted this in another thread but haven't gotten any replies (at the risk of sounding like an attention whore).

So I've been trying to design some characters I've had in my mind for some time now and I can't help but think they feel very off. Especially in the hands and feet.

Thankfully, I'm taking a class for animation design in the fall at my school (animation major here btw), and I have all summer to practice. But I figure some critique from others would be nice as well.

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>>3043649
Line refs just cus

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What's the proportions for spacing the scapulae?

>>3043578
Well, learn how the masters drew.
Learn the bean bag method of drawing humans. It's actually a lot more effective in drawing humans from imagination than the Loomis meme (I'm trying to become a key pose animator or a comic artist so I might be a bit biased here). In animation drawings, gesture and form are the biggest components to their appeal aside from being correctly timed and spaced. Then find their sketchbooks or artbooks and start drawing like them if you really want to be like them I suppose. You can check out the art book thread, I'm currently trying to study the Yoshinari sketches to make my figures more animated and natural.

>>3043432
>>3043438
Most people get into the mental health field because they want to help people, legitimately... the guy I spoke to encouraged me to come back, he had even gone through similar things to me, dead parents, alcoholism, shit friends, being broke, etc

Trying to do art while you're depressed is extremely difficult so I am actually giving you art advice in a weird way

>>3043620
nice work on the planes of the face, can tell you know what you're trying to do

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I just came up with a way to improve, but idk if it's any good. I'll draw something at 9AM, then 12 hours later I'll draw it again. It worked today.

One of my biggest struggles is making the drawing not look flat. Tips?

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need help with 'v' where the legs connect with the pelvis

>>3043669
Think in 3D. Can you draw a box, a sphere, and a cylinder? Try to break the things you see down into these basic forms.

For example, what basic forms do you see in that skull?

>>3043673
The largest two shapes I see are a sphere and rectangle.

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Forst drawing outside of a classroom without a reference. DeviantArt isn't getting any comments so I'm hoping for feedback here. This is mainly meant to work on anatomy

>>3043678
*first sorry lol

>>3043678
The most apparent issue is proportion. I can't explain well enough how to work on it, but look at human models for a mindset.

>>3043681
Ok. Thank you! :)

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>>3043620
Close. You tilted his head slightly too much. I'm not a professional so this is the best redline I could do

>>3043686
Also due keep in mind if you shift those eyes, you're going to have to tilt the rest of the features i redlined as well to match the picture exactly

>>3043677
That's a good start. Now connect those two and draw them, try to make those look as 3D as you can.

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>>3043678
try and use longer smoother strokes when drawing. draw shapes first. cubes, pyramids and spheres mainly. this is good practice for beginners.
after that i'd suggest you move on to proportionate stick figures. then try and draw them in all kinds of positions.

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>>3043669
the centerline is too flat. i tneeds to curve a lot more.

>>3043697
The jaw doesn't hinge in the center though. Loonies can't even into proportions.

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>>3043458
>watch Proko draw gesture
>draw along with him
>it goes well
>try do it on my own
>it's fucking dreadful
h e l p

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>>3043669
Here's a quick 2 minutes skull I sketched on top of your drawing. Pardon the shitty lines.

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My shitty Steven Universe OC, this is approximately 48 hours after I decided seriously trying to learn to draw was a good idea

>>3043697
Bridgman and Hampton have better skills. Loomis is the weakest of 3 art meme gods

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>>3043713
the same OC but from about 2 hours after I decided learning to draw was a good idea

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>>3043451
3rd try, admittedly I am starting to get lazy with it. Just trying to get everything placed in a proper spot in his head and trying to work out the angle of his head's tilt. Excuse the lazy eyes and mouth, I tried going into detail with them in the v2 of this.

>>3043716
thank you anon.

>>3043714
skulls*
I swear I didn't do that on purpose.
>>3043713
>>3043716
Dude see
>>3043696
and then see
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9by8WaZ7G3k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWRF9GpRCNI&
Draw with gesture and flow the easiest and most effective way is to draw with shapes. Learning form will come naturally with reference. Check out the rest of this dudes tutorials on bodies or color if you want to learn more

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>>3043721
You're welcome?

>>3043724
Thanks mate, I appreciate the specific recommendations. Proportions and foreshortening have been a struggle for me, cheers.

>>3043726
Also bro tip m8. The best thing you can do for yourself is to get really good at using simple shapes instead of falling for the boxes and Loomis meme. Follow the teachings that Youtube guy I linked you and you'll go far, the dude is a professional who makes Leauge of Legends Splash arts for Riot games. Listening to that guy will make you improve faster than listening to most of the artists here.

Does this chick's face look okay? I wanna know before I start refining it.Ignore the dragon heads in the background and the body for now, they're things I've already worked out for sure in other hidden layers I just need to get this face outta the way

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>>3043735
Shit, forgot file

>>3043737
forget the elf waifu, those sketched dragon heads look professional fuck me

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>>3043426
It looks like one of those meme images that uses the mirror effect. First off the eyes are way too fucking close and the jaw is too wide. Women's faces should be drawn like "heart" shapes; this means that it starts from the jawline and gradually gets wider as you go upward toward the cranium.

>>3043744
No critiques for elf waifu boy?

>>3043649
the nigga on the left looks like a toilet also is the thing on the side of his head an ear or a tumor cause if its an ear it needs to move down

>>3043737
>>3043747
Erhm.. to be honest there's not really much to be said. The face looks kind of animalistic but that might be what you are going for. Nose looks a bit flat. That's about it; it looks pretty good!

>>3043737
The face looks like a 4 year old's with makeup.
She has a five head underneath the bangs, and her face is very short.

>>3043759
Looks fine to me, but all right man. Could you care to redline it so I don't fuck up real bad?

>>3043761
Oh wait, now that I think about it the head is kinda wide for how tall it is.... Hmmm I think I can fix this hold on

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>>3043761
the face looks human, so you don't NEED to make any changes, but here's my suggestion

>>3043786
Oh wow we had the same idea... although holy shit I guess I've been hanging out with my asian concept art bros too much because that was way smaller than I thought it had to be

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>>3043108
I tried. Sorry.

>>3043818
Hey man, you did all right. At least you tried. One thing I can tell you right away is that that your face is way tilted to the right.

>>3042880

Anyone have anymore comments I can use? How do I start to get into colour ?

Hey /ic/, I've been trying to get back into digital drawing, but I'm struggling with the settings of my tablet.
I'm using an old wacom bamboo that used to do the job, but now it seems like it doesn't detect small motions of the stylus for some reason. I have to trace long lines, or there won't be any line at all (the tablet thinks I just "clicked").
Has this happened to anyone before? Don't know what to do about it, and yes I've been trying it on several programs.

>>3043665
Thanks I guess Anon.

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so i started on doing more concept sorta pics lately, how i can improve in doing landscapes?

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>>3043108

Pray for me y'all cause I don't know what's coming.

>>3043825
thanks anon, that's very encouraging. I wanna get better so badly, but my motivation is lacking.

>>3043915
its comfy

>>3043607
Saying 'muscle through it' makes it sound boring, instead of drawing a bunch of boring shit like vases and flowers draw fun stuff. It doesn't matter what you draw from life as long as you're drawing what you see and learning basics of object construction, perspective, shading, understanding light sources, and weight. Have a cool vodka bottle? Draw it. Have a weird mug? Draw it. Have a gun? Draw it. Go outside and find a building you think is cool and sketch out its basic perspective. If you want to draw people go to the mall and people watch, gesture people as they walk by or stand around texting. If you have friends who play a lot of vidya draw them, gamers are great to draw because they don't really move around very much. Most people love to have someone draw them so just ask friends/family to stand around for 30 seconds while you do a quick gesture. If you can't stand around somewhere for too long take a quick pic of people buzzing around at a store and get a bunch of candid postures.
They only thing I would heavily advise against drawing would be figurines, your symbol drawing might kick in and you'll stop drawing what you see.

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>>3043107
I feel like I fucked up bad already but I'm not sure how

>>3043841
>old tablet
>not working as well now
>wat do
Are you serious? I think it's pretty obvious what your next step would be.

>>3043969
I think it's a software issue, that's why I was asking.

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Oh god i found my progress photo i made back in 2013. Why did I give up drawing, I could be so good by now :(

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>>3043536
No, I didn't. I tried to do something from my head, without using a reference to see with I have enough creativity going on. It's been a while since my last attempt to draw, so I was trying to see how I would do if I wasn't trying something realistic and etc...

>>3043557
>>3043744
... and about the face, yeah, I know is kinda wide and all that. I'll keep that in mind next time. About the chin and the jaw, I actually was trying to get that strong jaw line that I've seen some women have, like pic related.

But, anyway, thank you for your replies guys. Really appreciated.

Btw, any of you have used Copics before? I'm looking for some tutorials and all, but some tips on where to look for would be great! Thank you!

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what went wrong?

Where do I learn how to properly use all the features of Weeb Studio Paint?

I just draw everything with the G-pen but I know it's capable of so much more.

>>3043980
lol

Am I the only one to whom Proko's nose construction method feels super weird?
Does anyone have a better method?

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>>3035128
I feel like I didn't fuck up too hard on this one.

>>3043979
It's probably the hardware itself, if it's a really old tablet there probably isn't a solution to any software issues. Time to go shopping, for you, friendo

>>3044072
>Time to go shopping, for you, friendo
In case I do, what do you recommend? I want the cheapest thing that will allow me to draw somewhat correctly using free software like Krita.

>>3044007
pushed back the mouth too much and made eyelid too small, eye is also at the wrong angle. chin goes up too much. I would redline but im a poorfag

>>3044099
Go for huion, very comfy and cheap.

>>3043620
>>3043686
What he did was called exaggeration and is an intelligent thing to do, not a mistake. You should be encouraged to somewhat exaggerate a line of action or gesture in order to make the drawing more interesting.

thoughts on SAI2 vs SAI?

>>3043717
I would strongly encourage you to attempt the drawing as a rough sketch using simple shapes. (Boxes, etc) While doing so, ask yourself whether you can see a certain plane of a facial feature or not. Ask whether it is tilting, twisting, foreshortened, etc.
>>3043917
Aside from not resizing the image, looks good. Though I would make a stronger attempt at showing the brow ridge/eye sockets

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I want to be able to ink like this. What should I work on to get there?

>>3044099
I have an old Wacom tablet that's lasted close to ten years now, so I'd definitely recommend whatever their highest rated beginner tablet is. Looks like the Wacom Intuos series ($90-$500) would be your best bet, and I use Krita with my Wacom no problem so the Intuos should work just as well.

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Is this an alright way of doing quick figure sketches? I am very new to this.

>>3044191
Does Loomis draw elipses for limbs?

>>3043607
find an artist who draws anime faces but real bodies

>>3044164
linework

>>3044195
I was trying to draw cylinders but these were 30 second sketches. I feel like I'm wasting my time with all the redundant lines though.

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Anyone know a good source to learn how to approach still life studies? I utterly suck at this, I can hardly tell tones apart sometimes...

>>3044204
Don't try to draw cylinders in 30 second sketches. And yea, you drew way too many lines, where only one line was needed. One bad line is better than 10 bad lines.

>>3044211
It's a confidence issue. I'm used to feeling out forms by placing more and more lines, but I want to get over it. Do you recommend any exercises that force me to draw just one line?

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>>3043717

>>3044199
How do I practice linework?

>>3044191
Yeah, these are pretty good gestures, just seems like you have an unnecessary amount of linework tho

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I have a lot of trouble with dept.

guys i'm like 170 boxes into the drawabox 250 box challenge and I'm really struggling to think of new angles to draw boxes from. I feel like with every box I spend 10x more time trying to think of which perspective to draw it from than I spend actually drawing the dang thing. I've already drawn every box I can see and imagine around my desk several times each. Any tips? Is it ok to just spam random boxes until I'm done?

>>3043980
All symbol drawing. Off to the sticky with you

>>3044274
Person in shadow is not affected by shadow and appears to glow

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>>3044240
by trying to create something similar to that picture.
or you could just google cross hatching and study those.

>>3044274
lower file size

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how do i gesture draw just someone's face?

>>3044352
like for emotions?
or do you just mean construction lines

>>3044352
Ryuuko is made for big black cocks.

>>3044356
I suppose both? I've no idea how you'd do it for emotions though.

>>3044352
Literally Loomis

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I'm never going to make it if I don't start drawing more often...

>>3044372
your proportions are all over the place

>>3043748
For the record, I put his ear there on purpose. I just forgot to put in a mark there to show that it is his ear. Also I never noticed but he does look like a toilet lmao.

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>>3044366
Like this?

>>3044388
how do i get gud at this?

as far as construction that guy literally just drode a circle and put a line on it lmao even I can do that

>>3044281
The boxes being "correct" is far more important.

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>>3044393
by practice
you're gonna have to learn how to exaggerate faces
you're trying to create something like this pic?
practicing faces instead of gestures?
if so just draw shapes and turn them into faces

>>3044400
ok thanks, that makes me less anxious about the whole thing

>>3043986
Kek

>>3044473
Meant for>>3044282

Can I post here for advice on my Art website?

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Can I get a critique in this? This is a request for someone and I'm not sure about it

>>3044486
If you're a beginner you probably shouldn't have an art website.

>>3044490
He looks pretty dead to me dead.

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>>3035130
I tried. I'm sorry if it's shit.

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>>3044507
Dead?

The reference looks like this

>>3044498
Alright. Can I post what I did today? (Art-related)

>>3044517
No.

>>3044528
Can I post Art that I made today? (Art-related)

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>>3044529
Sorry that was a stupid question
I sketched outside today. I will try and replicate this effort and some more tomorrow

>>3043686

Thanks anon. That's what happen when I don't measure. I'm practicing drawing just by observation and less measuring. I think If I'm able to draw just by eyeballing it'll help my imagination drawings more.

>>3044135

Yeah, I'm currently learning from someone who told me that even if I'm drawing from ref it needs to stand on it's own. Since I'm not very good at getting things accurate just by eyeballing it I'll just make things somewhat interesting.

>>3044148
Alright, I'll give it a try, though it might not be what you were intending. I'm basically doing a rough construction of the planes of the face that you can see in the ref is what I gathered from that.

>>3044235
Second time in a week that my sketches/draws have been turned into a small meme. Must be doing something right or horribly wrong.

Friendly reminder to stand up and stretch a bit

>>3044536
Not good enough to critique but I love your lines, what pen do you use?

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>>3044148
>>3044598

Honestly not the slightest clue what I'm doing. I just tried to have lines indicating where I saw 3 dimensionality.

I'm getting lazy and symboling again but wanted to post to see if I'm otherwise going in the right direction.

I just want to stop shitposting on ic and keep on drawing. Why is my brain so fucked?

>>3044643
I'm not an expert but I like how 3D yours feels. I think it's a lot more interesting than mine >>3043818

>>3044650
Jokes on you. Nobody even pays attention to your shit posts.

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Depression fuck shit. Hard to even get out of bed. just some gay doodle off my head

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>>3043106
continued adventures in faces are hard to draw season 2

Got any good skull reference pics?

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My first drawing of the month is actually just trying to finish this one.

>>3044701
nice work mate

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>>3035132
How do I get over my fear of adding shadows? I'm scared I'll make a bad picture worse and it'll just look like a dirty face.

>>3044715
*shading, not shadows

>>3044701
Awesome! What medium?

>>3044715
just do it. you learn more fucking something up than being a wimpy ass faggot.

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/ic/ made me grind and study art like a retard. Now I can see errors everywhere, I can see where the perspective is fucked, where shadows should be and aren't, now finding art I like is becoming harder, BUT I STILL FUCKING SUCK! What the fuck did you guys made me do? You fucking baited me into swallowing knowledge and now I'm more of a fucking critic than an artist. Now besides any deviant artist being better than me, everything I see is pure shit.

Please end my misery now, just fucking do it.

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>>3044715
yes, do it until it looks good, even if the first month is all trash. also study the old masters for shading, michelangelos and albrecht durer sketches are a good study.

here's an oldish study I did, one shaded, the other not.

>>3044643
Check out proko's facial feature videos, he shows all the planes of each facial feature (mouth/lips, eyes, nose etc)

Shitloads of info tho so take them one at a time

>>3044715
I recommend you do a thorough read-through of Keys to Drawing (link is in the sticky). It should help with not only starting to overcome your symbol drawing but help with measurement errors.

>>3044732
is there a blog link where i can read more of your posts

>>3044732
Maybe instead of critiquing, you should be drawing you retard

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>>3044777
GO BACK 2 YEARS IN TIME AND FUCKING TELL ME THAT, YOU MOTHERFUCKER!

>>3044715
Your fear for not shading, stems from the fear of destroying something you cherish.

Thinking in this way prevents growth, because if you make a drawing and you like it, then someone tells you that its not good. You're going to ignore it because you're not willing to make mistakes or take a chance to ruin what you created.

To fix a drawing you will have to ruin what it was previously in order to get it to become something new

>>3044782
Why not just draw now.

>>3044715

Failing is part of the learning process. Learn to embrace it.

FUUUCKKK I JUST WANT TO START DRAWING, WHY AM I ALWAYS PROCRASTINATING. SO SCARED OF FUCKING UP MY SHADOWS AND NOT READING THE RIGHT ART BOOK. HELP

>>3044797
Read "the war of art" by steven pressfield, google it the pdf is on the first page. Short book. It bogs down in the middle but it WILL help you turn this around.

It's honestly such a good book I think it should be in the sticky. I don't know why it isn't.

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>>3044797
draw right now anon
draw this, take as much time as you need, get messy, don't be afraid to make it look bad or disappoint others or even yourself.
draw it as many times as you need.
the only thing I expect of you is to be drawing right as you see this post. You don't even need to post the pic if you dont want but I expect you to respond to this saying that you have drawn it or something by tomorrow.


I'll start a namefag just for you guys here at /ic/

I'm having trouble with keeping large-scale proportions accurate. I would block in (is that the correct term?) the major shapes, but i really don't know how to do that when working with lines instead of values. Should I just ditch my drawing block and pick up my tablet? I wanted to postpone using it until later because then I won't have to deal with colors or having to learn programs in addition to actually drawing, but is that stupid of me? Or is there some better method to use with pencil?

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>>3044802
if your against black people or want a lady I'll give you a different pose

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>>3044786

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Here's a memento mori or some shit I just whipped out in 30 minutes. Other than the values making no sense and the hatching being sloppy as all fuck, tear me a new one /beg/.

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>>3044802
My 20 minutes study

>>3044831
Sorry for blurry sideways pic

>>3044831
You are learning nothing when you rush through a 20 minute symbol-drawn "study." What are you looking to gain out of this? Why draw in the first place? Once you have your priorities straighten out it's a lot easier on the mind when you draw.

>>3044840
What I have in mind right now is trying to draw from not drawings while still drawing like the Renaissance pics I fucking love

pic related is another one of my "better" studies of a drawing by albrecht durer

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>>3044849
forgot pic, also the 20 mi

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Still trying to get a grip on gesture, I think I understand the concept clearly now, but having difficulty translating into paper

>>3044850
ignore that last bit

>>3044777
>>3044786
Not that anon but he does have a point. It's hard to draw and immediately notice mistakes but have NO IDEA how to fix them. Kill us both

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>>3044804
5 or so minute sketches

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>>3043102
I don't know guys, it's been a week that i haven't drawn anything and i can't even pull myself something, I've always sucked at drawing objects, anyway i could do so?

I'm just trying to figure out how to do gesture, but it's taking up a shitton of paper. I'm doing like 15 2-minute sketches per day first thing, but I can usually fit like 3-4 gestures per page, so I'm burning through like 5 pages a day just working on these, not counting anything else I work on. And, I've heard that you're never supposed to stop practicing gesture. Am I supposed to just be drawing smaller? is this just the cost of becoming an artist?

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somebody help a nibba out

>>3044896
buy a big wad of printer paper and a clipboard for around 5 dollars, problem solved. I don't really think you need to do it every day and drawing smaller isn't the best idea but you still could. You should fit at least 5 figures on a page of standard sized printer paper

>>3044902
ah, I didn't realize printer paper was so cheap. I had been using a sketchbook that I found lying around my room, so it felt a bit precious, but yeah that should do it.

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>>3044891
I think i burnt myself bad and started procrastinating.

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>>3044897
I didn't know I had that fetish.

>>3043480
looks like the same shit i'd see in a public bathroom

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>>3043105
Hey first time posting here. First time working digitally, I'm trying to figure photoshop out. Copying the pose I'm replying to, but I'm having a hell of a time trying to blend all the tones somewhat seamlessly. Its going realllly slowly, Can anyone give advice for how they work with skintone and what tools or brushes I should be using?

When you a complete begginer, how do you choose what to focus on? Like do I decide if this week I just focus on practicing drawing animals, and next week i focus on drawing buildings?

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Here's my dreadful image.

Things wrong that I've noticed:
>Colour is all wrong
>measurements are all wrong
its hard thoooouuuugggggggghhhhhhhhhh

also im new to tablet stuff tooooooo

>>3044942
start with the fundies of course, grind that for a month or more until it starts getting easier and better quality (doesn't have to be perfect, but of a good quality)

start with basic circles, then spheres and cubes, then cubes in perspective, etc.
basically read the sticky.
try drawabox.com

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any ways to improve?

>>3045003
Try to make the lineart a bit cleaner, but you're doing pretty good with rendering.

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Anything i should be fixing?

>>3044635
I use very soft pencils
I'm experimenting with slated/ dolled points to get soft and chiselled lines, and I'll sometimes sharpen it to a fine point in order to achieve a more normal effect
>not good enough to critique
At what point will I be good enough to critique?

>>3044007
a lot

>>3045047
Kek

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Is there some easy way I can turn lines like this into a nice, smooth line of consistent width? (in CSP)

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>>3045007
About 50 minutes later

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>>3043101 (OP)
Ignore the font, how do I save this design?
Is a character a friend made.
what are your thoughts and how do you make it more appealing?.

are these pens good?
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007PMO9S0/_encoding=UTF8?coliid=I30ZHKV2PFHMUT&colid=2GKMWC1NVF8VV
i have a pack of pigment liners but they are dying after like a week

>>3045086
According to the 3 star review:
Probably the best pen of it's kind (plastic tip or whatever), but I prefer ohto graphic liner. I think I am in the minority here since most people genuinely enjoy the pen, but I did not like the feel of a plastic tip. Overall a decent pen (better than micronpen), but not my favorite.

>>3045089
>best of its kind
>3 stars
ha
ill probably pick them up and see if they are good on payday

>>3045085

I've learned that a good design usually comes with an interesting silhouette. Your design's silhouette is basically a human with weird ears.

You can do much more fish related stuff with his body and still keep him humanoid (Like fins on his arms/legs)
Do some research about other fish-men designs (Don't outright steal a design tho, it's only meant as inspiration)
Also do some research about different kinds of piranhas and what makes them piranhas. And I cannot stress looking for an interesting silhouette enough.

>>3045085
Right now hes a hunchback midget.
Fix the spine, make his legs longer
Also, don't use shitty air brushy effects when coloring

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I know this thread is for beginners but I need help.Watercolor is a fairly new medium for me and hair is a very big challenge. I need some serious criticism on this.

>>3045111
Dont do hair the way you want to, do it in shapes and large strokes like in the sculpture

>>3045111
Also, is this keegan?

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My construction practice

>>3045116
Thanks.
I was trying to do that at first but then I got sloppy in my brush strokes.
Do you recommend any good demos to watch or people who have do it right?

>>3045125
>Anonymous
It's Andrew Jackson, I'm drawing American historical figures in honor of 4th of July.

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>>3045128

>>3045139
:(

>>3045079
Rotate and provide the ref.

>>3045079
GET OUT

>>>/draw/

>>3044536
What was a kneeling naked woman doing outside?

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Is it bad leave watercolor on these brushes?
I'm always on the move so I don't always have the time to clean them on the spot. Will leaving pigment on them for a few hours ruin them?

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>>3045145
I would rotate but im on my phone

>>3045149
What are you saying?

>>3045131
Not in particular, I learned to control brush strokes by doing Chinese paintings, a larger brush can help sometimes
>>3045133
I thought the person posting was keegan, cool idea though

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>>3043818
I tried getting over my fear of shading. How'd I do?

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>>3043966

>>3045086
I really enjoy the fiber castell line of marker pens but the total cost of all the pens I have is $55~
I mean I didn't buy them but still.
These seem midly adequate for the price that they're going for. I'd reccomend getting a bigger one too, like 1.5ish or a soft brush pen to make things a lot easier

something like this
https://www.amazon.com/Kuretake-Retail-Package-Fudegokochi-LS1-10S/dp/B001BZVB4M/ref=sr_1_13?s=office-products&ie=UTF8&qid=1498992442&sr=1-13&keywords=brush+pen

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>>3044510

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>>3045162
I'm saying you're too good to be in the beginner thread you fucking cunt.

Fuck off out of here.

>>3045205
so that brand is good?
i really need some .5-.3's but i would like something thicker like in the link you posted

>>3043108
why so many people drawwing this?

>>3043101
out of all the anatomy books in the sticky, which ones are worth reading?

>>3045214
Lol relax, he is did well but the lack confidence in his lines shows he is still a beginner. There is room for him here.

>>3045207
stop drawing lines there, the eyes and brows ruin the depth you created with your shading

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Hey guys. I don't draw much usually but I've picked it up a little recently and I've enjoyed it so far, so I recently made this and hope for some help. I drew something like this earlier but I tried a new look

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>>3043101
idk if im getting worse over time

somebody wanted me to do an oc so i did one, looks shit right

>>3045268
deviant art tier
your love is written poorly and you should use the kanji i think. but yeah everything is wrong with this image

>>3045275
whatever i´ll just try something else next time

>>3045276
with the ai or the character? its alrigh concept, just lacking. is the face even human

>>3045268
the entire piece reeks of you not knowing anatomy for shit: thicc memes, hidden legs, hidden arm, giant tits
seriously fuck thicc memes, you're effectively using excessive fat to cover every joint and muscle so you don't have to draw or learn them
pillow shading on the legs for some reason and you forgot to colour the choker but don't go back and fix that because it's turd polishing


just go study anatomy, seriously, you can't draw humanoids without it.

>>3045282
like same lineart + colours shit with different character, next ones gonna be better

im not really here for the kanjis desu
oh yeah id sorta wanna apply concept art sorta colouring coz its not just basic colour and glow + includes more variety, thatd be fun to try

>>3045187
elliot rogers?

>>3045085

Are you 14 years old?

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>>3044802

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>>3045128
>>3043105

Finished

>>3045320
>construct the whole body
>except hands and feet, fuck those
haha just let symbol drawing fill the blanks am I right

>>3045323
Your right :(

>>3043707
how will this help? its from a completely different perspective????

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crit me thnks

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>>3045329
soz about size

How many things have you ever drawn that look good w/o reference and are not just a characxter but an actual scene? for me eits just one. Bet its my best piece forever

>>3045223
Cause it's a pretty good ref?

>>3045072
make a new layer and redraw over that. Keep doing it until it is right or close enough. Rotate the canvas to where your arm motion is smoother.

>>3045286
i got two faves for it and none for serious art skillz anatomy concept
so get stupid people love stupid

>>3045072
Don't use a rubber. Spam ctrl-z until you draw the line you want to draw, or trace out the motion of drawing the line a few times before you actually do it.

How do I gain the confidence in my strokes? my eyes sees but my mind is too afraid of putting it down in fear of messing it up.

>>3045360
shia lebouf and nike would like a word

>>3045330
The angle of the right socket is pointed towards us, point it outwards with the rest of the skull

>>3045351
Sorry but it isn't hard to impress fetishists. Either take the crit or go back to getting asspats from sweaty guys in their 40s.

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>>3043102
tell me what to study today /beg/

>>3045367
I wish that 4chan didnt rotate my images

>>3045367
Butts.

>>3045367
Dont draw lines, draw the shapes of the figure

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>>3045374
>hey leonardo, michelangelo, albrecht durer, stop drawing lines
>draw shapes

Im just joking I know what you mean. I did that but very lightly underneath

>>3045261
Start using construction lines, disregard trying to render right now, just focus on the shapes of the head in a 3d space

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>>3045214
You know, like 5 months ago I was told something very simaler, except it was sarcastic, and I was being made fun of. Regardless, it's blurry, so you can't see some of the problems

>>3045231
I'm having troubles understanding what you're saying, i dont really have lines to make more confident. Its a charcoal drawing, so it's kind of just a bunch of smudges

>>3045377
I see, then maybe you could benefit from just breaking down the anatomy. Understanding where certain muscles go can help liven up a drawing

>>3045320
whats the point of making a webm when the result is the only thing that matters

>>3045079
congrats, not a beginner anymore. go to the drawthread

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>>3045389
GODFUCK, that's the one. Is that a meme or something?

>>3045392
Considering that anon is actually good at art, probably not. I don't really think he's a beginner either. He's like intermediate

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Since this is a beginner thread I'll include picture, obviously there are lot of mistakes.

Although things I struggled with are drawing lips and deciding the distance between eyes
Any advice on how to go about that

Also if any advice on what way to go about in improving my art.
I think it's about time I pick up anatomy. But that usually doesn't help me get realistic pictures.

>>3045453
This>>3043106
is the reference I used

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Just tell it to me straight, /beg/. What should I be focusing on improving the most right now? Left is using Loomis' construction technique, right is my meager attempts at gesture drawing.

>>3045307
nice feedback

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>>3045473
>namefagging
>signature
>scribbled out attempt at a signature
>handwriting and grammar of a child
no fuck off lol

>>3045484
best to start them young, no?

>>3045487
*thanks lol sorry I haven't slept in a while