/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

Explain arms and legs to me please

I know the main muscle groups and bones but I always fuck up their proportions. I know the way they bend and twist but I still fuck them up.

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can i get advice for shading?

>>2943358
sorry about the oversized picture

>>2943358
sticky

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No matter what I try, there is absolutely zero attractiveness about the bodies I draw. Could anybody tell me what I'm doing wrong?

>>2943385
gesture. also the connection between the hip and the leg is wrong. doesnt need that crotch line thing.

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>>2943385
Maybe put some more attention to lineweight.
Pic related is a small part of a guide pic posted here: >>2941846

>>2943385

Your bodies are unattractive because there is no sense of dimension or life/rhythm to them.

>>2943403
those boobs are pretty weird

>>2943385
No construction, no gesture. If you think of your drawings only as lines, that's all you'll get.

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>>2943387
>>2943408
>>2943413
I don't think I understand gesture that well. Attached is how I had drawn the gesture in green (based on Vilppu) and I´ve also included the construction from which I made the line-art. I don't really get when flow is allowed to be broken and when it isn't during gesture drawing.

I cant fucking draw heads/faces what do? Please don't recommend loomis i don't like his method

>>2943426
Loomis

>>2943426
Reilly.

>>2943422
you've got the general idea. grind out gesture more, really get good at it. btw you have potential i think.

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>>2943432
this fucking reilly shill has been shitting up the thread with anti-loomis sentiment for too long

>>2943449
The point of drawing from a construction is to build a more complicated shape that we can't readily imagine, from simple forms like spheres and cubes. You should learn other artist's construction methods not to use them but to give you an idea as to what has worked for other people to build your own methods. In this way if someone asks you to draw something that is not the human figure like an animal, or a tree you can do so very easily by making your own construction on the spot from a reference and adding to your own style. The human figure is an object that we have loads of information on in our minds, and a subtle deviation from this form can ruin it in a drawing. It is probably the hardest to abstract via construction, and therefore the topic that instructors introduce to students to teach them construction. Fighting over who has mastered art will not improve your skills. Just attempt to render a 3d figure on a picture plane. Once you can do this all art is just practice, and experimenting with colors, perspective, and deviations from form.

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Sup.

>>2943461
OY VEY dont listen to loomis goyim, all techniques are applicable, dont worry about flaws because its just your own style! hehe

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>>2943422
>>2943385

always have perspective in mind

>>2943463
Dobry wieczór to you as well.
Is this a concept art? If not, you could really use the sticky.

>>2943467
You misinterpret what I was saying, I advocated for the person to learn loomis, and several other artist's methods, and that you should be competent in those methods. You should, however, not rely on them, and find your own way of constructing figures. The skill is not in memorizing construction, but being able to see your world in a different manor. I also never mentioned not worrying about your own flaws. Part of learning the fundamentals is making your art look good by having good form. You should always make art that deviates from the fundamentals in strategic ways though, or your art will look very boring.

>>2943479
im just memeing lad

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who else /triforce/ here?

>>2943412
>implying you wouldn't suck on them
This nigga

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>>2943503
>/pol/ knowledge

>>2943503
Who else /autism/ here

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Line art is hard

>>2943522
So is shading, drawing lips and everything else apparently

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>>2943524
>SHADING
>H
>A
>D
>I
>N
>G
NGMI

>>2943531
>muh it's actually called rendering
You know what I meant you fucking memeing nigger

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>>2943536
I don't actually feel that strongly about what you said but the image it conjured up 'ad me a giggle.

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>>2943333

Where can I find "keys to drawing" in pdf? I tried with google, but nothing came out of it.

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>>2943325
Been reading Hampton. Am I doing this right? My gesture drawing has gotten semi better at least.

>>2943672
>>2924158

>>2943678
>I didn't even bother with searching through the catalog
Sorry and thanks.

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>>2943676
Keep the gesture simpler - concentrate on the 8 body parts. I drew this for another anon yesterday - maybe it helps you... besides that the gesture drawing is okay to not be anatomically correct - but once you get into construction you need to remember anatomy and proportions.

I suggest you try to work with references for now - photos of ppl dancing for examplr - translate those into gestures and add the construction after that.

>>2943522
Could you post more of your art? This piece is rather barebone to help you with tipps - also maybe tell us on what exactly you want to improve for now - what are you uncomfortable in your own drawings right now?

damn i knew i should've bought drawing on the right side of the brain first than loomis

>>2943723
Loomis never hurts buddy

>>2943726
Can I still use it even though I don't know how to draw shapes in 3d yet?

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No refs, turned out better than expected.

post music

>>2943754
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esJ76KRU51M

>>2943754
Zuckerzeit
It's like painting on a master plate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD7It9jaaBQ
Great for drawing wit'

This proko guy makes gesture drawing look way easier than it actually is.

>>2943762
what radiohead song uses those chords

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dammit, the last thread is gone and the image i drew was from then. well here it is, i tried.

>>2943782
it might be royksopp

>>2943791
This is pretty good Anon. I'd say plan your drawing a bit better and try to keep an eye on positioning the individual features and their relation to each other in proportion - the ears seem a bit small - the eyes run away from each other. But I love the motion your linework and the general look!

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Am i ok with this perspective?, any tip to get better at it?

Also need a book for this kind of stuff :l

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>>2943804
please redline.

>>2943804
The position of the left foot foot on the figure furthest to the left is really unclear. To me it looks like it's pointing behind the other one, which isn't a position you stand in unless you're a ballerina or have a broken ankle.

>>2943754
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zLfCnGVeL4
Alternately
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96HtY9XJSMA

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>>2943690
No, I mainly just post here to shitpost because my urge to shitpost helps relieve some of the depression, so I don't post unless I've drawn somthing. I'm not really looking for input, if the "Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up, make someone proud." is just feelgood bullshit and I'm not actually supposed to do that I'll stop posting.

I'm too scared to draw. How do I get over this crippling fear?

>>2943831
drawing

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Whats super horribly off?

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This time rightside-up.

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>>2943887
2/2 Shittier, but attempt at a human face. Does anybody else find themselves having to actively avoid doing anime-ish faces? I don't even like or watch anime and yet my eyes always seem to want to go all anime on me.

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Id love to learn how to draw. But its hard for me. Ive tried reading the sticky and all other stickys in here. Even the one OP posted. It just doesnt connect with my brain. Ive always been a hands on kinda guy and i always learn faster when someone shows me how to do something. Should i just say fuck it and hire an art tutor?

>>2943837
proportion and readability make this a piece no-one will want to crit.

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>>2943804
Well I always recommend my beloved Micheal Hampton - I guess he could help you as well . The general meme is "Needs more Loomis" but you show that you already understood many basics - I guess try to understand forms in perspective better.

You are in the right way - dig deep into perspective and things should get clearer for you. Also forshortening - which should also be covered by "how does a form change depending on the perspective".

>>2943894
the problem is you don't have the eye to select a tutor. You could always just ask for someone here to tutor you. Lots of third worlders to be abused of.

>>2943749
You can learn both things - look at the standard anatomy - do a few ref drawings - dig back into forms. In the end you will need everything anyway.

Of course forms are the basic - like the absolut fundamental - paired with perspective - but those things aren't fun. Experimenting with faces and people and trying to apply what you just learned is fun. So I don't think working with Loomis on the side will hurt you.

>>2943897
What should i look for? And i dont know how well digital tutoring would work with me. Maybe skype would help but idk

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What can I do to improve my sketches

>>2943826
What's wrong with you - if you just want to show off get into the Last Artist Standing challenge or go into the /draw/ thread. But most likely ppl there will tell you to go back to /beg/. People offering to help you is not a bad thing anon. And especially /beg/ is the place to receive feedback.

Or you could just make a tumblr blog or a deviantart account.

>>2943757
watch your edges and hues more
you need to blend in certain parts where soft edges are, and some of the shadows in the ref are warm-toned due to subsurface scattering
paying attention to those will give your drawing more depth
also, a quick tip to help with your values- paint on a grey background, pure white skews your perception of value

>>2943831
Don't show, don't tell. Draw for yourself. It's okay :). And when you feel comfortable you can always share your art with us. There is no harm in trying.

>>2943905
>What's wrong with you
I'd upload the .pdf but 4chin has a file size limit.

>>2943892
Well you got the motivation - that's great. Now let's give you the tools:

I know it feels redundant, but really look at the sticky. There are already great resources there.

You seem to be interested in humans or humanoids - so let's start there. Find references of nakid ppl and draw them Slowly. How does an arm connect to the shoulder? How does a hip tilt. If I raise my eyebrows - how does the rest of my face transform?

I think Micheal Hampton does a fair enough job of explaining these aspects - how to translate a complex form into something more simple - like a box or a ball. Here are some additional resources that might help you:

https://design.tutsplus.com/articles/think-with-forms-not-lines-take-your-drawing-to-the-next-level--cms-24486

https://youtu.be/2T7cDY7YDsg

And about the anime eyes: That's called drawing in symbols. As children we learn to simplify what we draw in order to be able to draw it at all. We don't look at a nose and draw how crooked it might be - a lil nump is enough for EVERYONES noses - and that sticks with you.

To fight symbols it's best to work with a lot of references and really look at it. Take your time to observe what you are drawing.

How about a deal: For everything you draw from imagination you draw one piece of reference.

Hope this helped you.

>>2943902
honestly its easy to get bamboozled as a beginner. theres literally no way for me to convey visual literacy, just make sure you doublecheck with us and get an opinion on the artist that will teach you.

>>2943894
I just replied to another anon but maybe this helps you to get started >>2943916

>>2943910
Honestly - if you are so lost did you ever consider therapy? I was diagnosed with depression three years ago and therapy and prescribed medication helped me so much. I don't need the meds anymore and I still function reasonably well. Take care anon. No one is out to get you. I hope you know you're being loved.

>>2943896
Huge thanks anon!

>>2943919
>>2943920

Thanks for the help guys. Idk. I may just give up. My main goal is to be able to draw whats in my mind and eventually animate them into my works. It frustrates me so much that i cant do that. While waiting for replies ive tried to do this excercise >>2937721 and have failed drastically. Ive tried youtube vids awell recently. I can do face shapes kinda. But i fuck up circles and where to place lines so badly.

Whats a good place where i can look for an art tutor? I have no idea where to start

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>>2943934
Oh jesus, I didn't wanna get this real tonight, but I guess that's what happening. I just wanted to shitpost and drink, ah well, therapy is expensive and so is transportation. But I wanna thank you anyway anon, you really did give me a little bit of hope that not everyone is a shithead. I just wanna make it so bad it burns and no amount of feel good positivty or "you can do it!" hugboxing makes me belive I can.

>>2943940
if you namefag ill help you until you leave /beg/. As for finding a tutor, honestly it depends as to whether or not you're willing to pay. Depending on the amount/hour I can probably connect you with someone interested. But i dont think tutors will really have that big of an impact in general.

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>>2943941
Well you are not bad - you dug into the basics. And you seem to draw daily. But drawing is just such a complex thing - saying 'keep at it and you'll get better" is a blatant lie. No one can promise you that you will make it.

The only positive thing I can tell you is that a lot is in your own hands - how dedicated are you afterall?

I don't know how disciplined you are - I don't know how old you are - I don't know how talented you are - I have no fucking clue who you are - and where you are in life.

But I want you to know that drinking, shitposting and arguing with cunts on the other side of the world will not help you to achieve your dreams. And to get back to our original argument - taking critism is a big part of the journey.

I attached David Rapozzas timeplan from the time he ' got gud'. I'm not even sure it's a meme or if it's true. But that's dedication. Do half of that and you are on a good path. Or don't... only you know how much you want it. - Man I'm not a professional either - I'm just some cunt on the other side of the world.

Please don't drink so much anon - I know it's a comforting thing - but long term it will ruin you.

>>2943940
I think an offline tutor would be best. Any drawing schools around? It's easy to get scammed online and generally a tutor next to you can help you a lot easier.

>>2943950
Depending on the cost. But for someone elses time i have no problem with paying. Especially with me being talentless and them having to mold me. Im central time if thats a factor.
>>2943966
Theres a community college down the road. But other than that not really. Unfortunately college is expensive and it would be easier to just find a tutor

>>2943970
Maybe the this is for you? http://www.newmastersacademy.org/home/ I have literally zero experience with them - besides their teachers being really good. But I don't know how hands on they get.

Also the drawabox.com guy offers help and advice for his patreons - he's not the best but certainly okay for beginner. I payed him 15 bugs once and he redlined some of my shit and was generally nice and helpful.

>>2943471
Actually, it is.

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Has anyone here ever gone to an atelier?
The closest one to me is 2 and a half hours away.
I kind of want to get in on some figure drawing courses.

>>2943503
disgusting to call this place meditation and /pol/ knowledge.

>>2943980
sticky

>>2943983
I did visit a few... a lot of dicks getting tormented by fat women, classical Mucha Art, squares and circles, beautiful masterpieces, a dirty toilet, beautiful sculptures, plastic bottles stitched together.

Art galleries sure are rollercoasters. Go visit one - even if you learn nothing it might be really interesting.

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hihi

>>2943934
> I was diagnosed with depression three years ago and therapy and prescribed medication helped me so much
Well - that certainly - explains why you're - such a - sour cunt.

>>2944007
Come here anon I have love and cuddles for you too - INTERNET HUUUUU~GS /)°3°/) desu desu desu

>>2943916
Wow thanks so much for this response, I will check out those links. I think you're totally right because I sometimes find myself rushing through the parts that seem to me to be so simple, like a little nub of a nose as you mentioned. I do use symbols, and on the rare times when I don't, that's when I do my best work.

Thanks very much

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Just re-started doing sketches again yesterday, so obviously not great. Going to try to keep up with it this time.
Hopefully won't look like a total fool in a few weeks when I get a grill to do (nude) modeling for me (both photography and sketching)
Help?

>>2944035

Just gonna reuse what I told the other anon: >>2943916

Slow down and really really look at things. Draw what is there - not what you think is there. Drawing from refs is a great first step - but only if you take your time to analyse what you are drawing - why does raising your arms raise the boobs? How does a tilted hip change the ribcage /hip/stomach area - what is the relative size of the arms/boobs/ribcage to each other? Learn to measure thing - relative to each other.

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Hey y'all here's an uncanny face. No ref. Please critique.

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Please critique. Redline if you need to, be as scathing as possible. I just wanna improve.
Ref >>2943330

>>2944057
I think this is pretty much a perfect Loomis constructed face. Now add life. No really well done.

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>>2944053
I did use a reference for that, as I'm sure you can tell. I think I took my time and tried to analyze things as I went, that sketch took me a good 20 minutes. Is that a normal amount of time?
Here's another page from yesterday

>>2944068
Don't look at the clock - look at the ref. And if you need two hours to anaylse a ref - take it. Besides I recommend you find further anatomy books/resources - muscles work together - it will help you to understand why what moves when how.

And the boobs you drew look ridiclious - what ref did you use?

I finally want to start giving this an earnest attempt at learning but I can't seem to find this abridged version of Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain. Or is it just the newest edition of the book?

>>2944062
Thank you! I'll make more drafts of this face and try to add more life to it. I appreciate it.

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Blook anon here, how does loomis make his blooks that are directly facing the viewer not look flat? I can't wrap my head around it as you xan see in the op pic. (Pic not related)

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Made a new brush, testing.

>>2944058
what's the point of this? if it's a study why did you """""""stylize""""""" it?

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how is this?

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>>2944268
how about this?

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Outside sketching

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I'm about to ink it.
Any errors I missed?

>>2944298
her left ankle is broken and i dont think her quads should have a bulge like that even if theyre flexed

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I'm trying to do construction following vilpu and proko's guide. what size is the gap/mid-section supposed to be, those 2 guides don't really tell you.
I've been drawing page after page of these but I just can't seem to get the distance right, the stomach is either too large or too small.

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>>2944303
took a screenshot so its up right and now it should have less pixels

im having a large problem drawing eyes properly/consistently
which guides are best for this?

>>2944097
im no expert but im going to go with "values" and possibly contour lines

>>2944279
To be honest, I have a hard time figuring out what I'm looking at.

>>2944279
looks promising

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>>2944352
It was pretty obvious to me
>>2944353
Maybe it does look promising, but I can't seem to look beyond being "promising"

>>2944111
The eyes are out of perspective. Also try to add values or proper crosshatching to give the head form, not those messy lines

>>2944058
Those eyes aren't the same eyes. Actually look at the eyes and draw them.
Also I don't know why you would do what you did with the eyebrows. Actually draw them, don't try and skip the thing you don't want to draw.

>>2944298
Nice butt helmet hair.

>>2944372
Finlay. You are beautiful.

>>2944057
Add eyelashes, and it'll stop being uncanny.

>>2944372
Maybe try an draw bigger? All your drawing seems so small.

>>2943793
I think I found it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FljkA5S1pSU

I am following keys to drawing and I don't really get the whole "handwriting" part. I picked Rembrandt because he's one of my favorite artists, but I fail to see how I can emulate his "handwriting" with just a pencil. On top of this, what's exactly the point of these exercises?

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>>2943151
It's really late and I'm losing sleep but I put off drawing today to the last minute so I deserve it.

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I'm just starting on Loomis, but I'm on the struggle bus with drawing faces at different angles. Especially drawing them without the reference.

Is it better to practice without the reference so you don't become reliant on it? Or is it better to keep copying the references over and over?

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>>2944276
Try to incoporate the forms you defined into your drawing - they will help you to create volume to the character doesn't end up looking flat - i made of photo of Michael Hampton's book to show what i mean. Watch how edged overlap and skin folds or twists depending on the motion.

>>2944308
You need to invest some time into perspective - just giving a body volume by drawing it as a cube isn't enough - you still need to align the different body parts with each other in perspective and also add some weight distribution. These already feel really floaty and you only added like three landmarks . Not ment as a meme: look at the first 6-8 lessons of drawabox.com .

>>2944420
>just started loomis
>better than me who has been doing loomis for a month

Yeah fuck you everyone, this ain't no "beginners" thread like shit everyone here is kinda great

>>2944420
With the reference. Just try to commit it to memory more and look at it less.

>>2944429
4chan mentality
spend all your time insulting people and looking at porn. result is inflated standards. (its why its a good place to get realistic critique)

>>2944434

> (its why its a good place to get realistic critique)

well I said everything kinda great

>>2944438
if you're not very close to being pro tier you get told to post in the beginner thread. can't say it's a bad thing but it might alienate people who are just starting off, but for them they're supposed to follow the sticky. just cuts down on a lot of pointless posting that way.

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>>2943447
Thank you. I'm not sure if I really got the general idea though, since even if the gesture from >>2943422 was okay I still lost all gesture after constructing.

I've practiced gestures somewhat, but I feel like the only figures that really "flow" are the ones that have very exaggerated gestures (like the the ones bending their back forwards). Am I on the right track or still doing something wrong?

>>2944408
Anyone, please?

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>>2944072
I wasn't paying attention to how long it took me, just was giving you an estimate. I'll keep working on anatomy and figures, since right now I'm primarily interested in drawing people.
Here's the pic that was the reference for those three sketches

>>2944446
I replied to ppl all night long - to the best of my abilities - just saying "stick to the sticky" is too broad. Rather pick the one worst thing and first work on that. Too much information will only lead to confusion and might end up depressing ppl too much to actually draw. Getting better at that one thing might elevate someone's drawings directly and make the person happy and motivate - and from there it's one problem at a time.

>>2944462
This is a super specific question I never read the book so I really can't help you. Can you elaborate on the exercise a bit more?

>>2944463
Oh god these are there references?? No wonder your drawing looks flawed - these are horrendous! Do yourself a favor and draw real people instead of the stylized interpretation of other people's drawing!

>>2943329
>>2943326
>>2943327

>>2944469
I'm sure this is a bad excuse, but I preferred that as my reference because it's simpler; shading is hard. Accordingly, my sketch from a picture of a real model I used was considerably worse than the three I posted above.
I'll try again later today though.

>>2944427
are there other resources/guides for perspective in anatomy on top of drawabox?

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Spoilers.

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>get motivated by friends to start drawing, so got a cheap pad
>got photoshop for free
>sit down with pad and mess about with it
>feel intensely overwhelmed by everything and feel like I can't do it

I'm gonna try and push past this but honestly I have no idea where and how to begin other than failing to draw good circles for hours at a time.

>>2944424
i actually found some drawing flaws, her left leg and arm should be somewhat hidden behind the torso/other leg. but im actually just going to paint it? is these any benefits to adding the forms if thats what im going to end up doing anyways?

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How do i improve this drawing ?

>>2944479
Stop with the symbol drawing

>>2944471
Of course it's easier, because someone did alld the work for you: Convert from 3D to 2D, convert from form to lines, stylize and simplify the lines.

These are all things you need to learn and do for yourself.

>>2944472
Get your hands on "Figure Drawing" by Michael Hampton - I think it does a good job. Besides that of the top of my head I would just google for you - so you know, just google for resources - or maybe another anon has a tip.

>>2944468
The exercise consists on looking at references from other artists and paying attention at their lines and general movements. Then you attempt to replicate their style in a drawing of your own.

>>2944476
Draw with a pen first. The pad is already rather overwhelming, something new to get used to.

Going traditional will help you to draw slower and more exact, since you can't fix your mistakes so easily. Besides that that with easy forms - work through the first 6-8 chapters of drawabox.com for example.

Try 50 %traditional 50% digital for now - just so you can get used to the general idea of drawing.

>>2944478
To a certain extend drawing what will be hidden anyway is important yes. You will want to know where the foot goes, - though most of the leg i hidden behind the other leg. It's also important for weight distribution - how does a character stand - turn - twist - some areas will be hidden but they will still have an effect on the visible areas

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>>2943332
After years of drawing. I realize I got bored of copying things. And start fucking it up for fun. What to do? I'm a failure.

>>2944493
Not the other guy, but I do have a pad as well. I want to make the jump to digital as soon as possible, but for now I'm forgetting about it entirely until I can get traditional to a point where I'm comfortable. Is this a bad idea?

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>>2944494
yeah i had to rework the 'standing leg' (i did this all in what i have painted so far) and in turn i ended up having to rotate the leg and foot. fug i was hoping i wouldnt have to post the painting but oh well here's what i got. yes am eric. just noticed i need to rework the boobs just a bit too

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I'm trying to draw some boxes anons, and it never it seems to look right
What am I doing wrong here? I think it might just the Y I'm drawing at the start that's probably just leading to this mess I'm in.

>>2944508
>>2944474
Got to be 18 to post here. Come back in 13 years

>>2944528
top kek

>>2944508
Oh, so you're "male" after all. Well, you might be male biologically, but you're certainly a three hundred million and five thousand light years away from being a man. Continue watching and liking yaoi, and maybe you will turn into a fujoushi completely.

Y'all are gonna make it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MPG-aLD-EY

>>2943887
>>2943892
Lol you haven't made even a construction

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>>2943903
Learn into line weight

>>2944500
then stop copying and draw from imagination

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My first nude self-portrait. How bad is it ?

>>2944575
Very bad for you

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>>2944512
I tried to redraw the pose ... I hope it helps you... (sorry looks a bit shitty -_-) try to keep in mind how tilting will also fold the skin - how the legs hold the weight when you twist the body like that ... you don't want the person to fall over - (weight distribution). Look into general anatomy, stare at the skinless freaks at posemaniacs, look at general medical anatomy stuff...

Regarding the colours your palette is really pale - but skin colour is a whole nother topic... try to google "skin colour" tutorial for more input - there are a lot great tutorials for that out there.

So yeah....:
-Forms
-Anatomy
-Perspective

Just pick one and start somewhere. I still need to dig into all of these nearly daily as well... it's a long climb.

>>2944503
Like I said - do both - do the training, the grinding, learning anatomy, learning perspective traditionally, and draw the fun stuff, artworks, cute anime gurls digitally.

>>2944578
How can I improve ?

>>2944584
This will sound like a complete dumbass question but when drawing lines in general, is it better to broad strokes or take it sloooow?
For example, I want a circle. Do I do the whole circle in one quick motion, take it through one slow motion, or do bits of it at a time?

>>2944575
Starting from the very basics would be what you need. For that, you need to learn to draw from reference correctly. That does not mean tracing, mind you.

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>>2944586
That's such a personal thing... I think drawabox puts it well (see picture) that's from http://drawabox.com/lesson/1

How do I draw things I don't know how to draw?

Like, for example eyes. I can follow edges, contours, but how to correctly draw and iris seems impossible to me.

>>2944520
Lines should all be heading in the same direction.

Would you recommend drawabox over the beginner books the sticky recommends (drawing from the right side)?

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mainly draw stuff like this thoughts on how i could improve my style ?

>>2944603
As in, the ones on the left all heading to the One VP and vice versa on the Right?

How would I do that, just draw the lines as similar as possible heading off into the same direction?

>>2944609
Drawing from the right side is good to realize why you suck - but I didn't find it helpful to really get better. It teaches you how to fight symbolism and how to learn to really look at a ref.

Draw a box helps you to develop your lines, literally it tells you how to draw a box in perspective, it's a more hands on approach with a lot exercises that will help you getting better at the craft - right side is more food for the brain... if that makes sense.

Just to learn how to use your pen I always recommend the first lessons of draw a box.

>>2944512
you've actually regressed

>>2944573
Which is what I did. And it felt bad. Because I can't do pinpoint drawing from likeness. I

>>2944613
Draw something original and inspired. It looks like shit.

>>2944626
Bro leave anon alone - this is a place like Anonymus Alcoholics - no shame no blame! You can ask anything and if you happen to worsen something we'll still try to help you!

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>>2943326

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How do you simplify the torso?

Is there any way I can set my Wacom tablet so that the mapping only covers my canvas in Photoshop?
My tablet's kinda small so I don't have much room to play with before my cursor veers off away from the canvas, onto the options.

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>>2944674

when can you say you graduated from /beg/ threads

>>2944706
when you told to get the fuck out of /beg/ or stop showing off

>>2944572
Look like Hannover Fist.

>>2944655
i do it like dunn's but with a bit more taper to make it seem more like the hip and ribcage. idk why you want /beg/s opinion though.

>>2944301
thanks. It's fixed now.

>>2944613
It doesn't look like anything.

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>>2943330

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Annnnd from "imagination".

>>2944617
By first lessons you mean the 2 first ones? I'm following another book but I feel like I'm missing the more basic stuff which is how to put down lines, how to pick up the pencil, you know, the pure dumb stuff like that.

>>2944796
The face is fine, but you need to pay more attenton to drawing eyes.

>>2944807
Part One:The Basics and Challenges and Drills

>>2944809
Will do.

>>2944569
I don't know what a construction is. These are my first attempts at sketching

>>2944796
sticky

>>2944759
sticky

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>>2944474
fuck off.

Stop spamming.

Any advices about drawing hands and feet? Hands I draw never look remotely decent, inexperience is easily shown in those where in other body parts it may look just like a stylization.

>>2944615

Read a perspective book

I you had clicked in the fucking sticky before you would have known this.

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>>2943325
>Wants to draw in my own time so that I can get better
>Don't know what to draw or how to improve
What do I do?

>>2944866
Read the sticky and go trough the books that it tells you to.

>>2944866
>don't know what to draw or how to improve

only if we had a resource that was at the top of the board

>>2944060
Keep it up

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Well I am pretty proud of this small sketch (from Figure Drawing for All it's Worth)!

no-one told me that being a beginner would be hell

>>2944585
Try going to the gym

>>2944892
Would covering that be alright for learning how to draw in a kind of cute art way?

>>2944909
Then you didnt read the sticky

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I erased and redrew this image so many times but the more times I redraw it the worse it looks. I guess that counts as practice though. I done goofed this one

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I don't understand the whole draw with boxes thing, but I'll try my best. This is the only board only 4chan that makes me want to strive to be better at something. I can't resize to 1000 pixels. Sorry

>>2944962
sticky

I'm having a bit of a strange difficulty that no one's posted about here yet. I'm trying to do that Stravinsky exercise on step one of the beginners guide but I feels like whenever I try to, I end up drawing the lines to long and dont realize it till I'm at the very end of the paper and have no more room to draw his shoulders or head. Is there a way to visualize lengths of stuff better because I'm way out there and can't even seem to start at square one.

I thought this was the beginner thread, not the wedidntreadthefuckingsticky thread.

>>2944569
Care to expand?

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>>2944980
Maybe a grid would help. Though I feel this may defeat the point of the exercise. Try drawing it again without the grid afterwards.

>>2944583
oooh, the hip tilt didnt match the position of the legs, i should pay more attention to that. i found a few good tutorials on skin maybe if i manage to draw a decent figure i can make it look good
>>2944618
neat. regressing is the only thing im good at
>>2944626
i chuckled but it makes me sad who is the character im talking

>>2944980
>actually doing the exercises
gmi

>>2945060
Stop posting jesus christ.
Everything you say is retarded shit like this where you act like you know what youre talking about, or giving shit advice where you act like you know what youre talking about.
Maybe if you did excersizes instead of constant shitposting you wouldnt be hot trash

im a digital version. what's the difference between the wacom Draw and the wacom Art? I was meaning to purchase the white Draw, but they've gone out of stock and i'm too much of a scared baby to purchases from resellers.

>>2945076
i-i meant to say digital virgin

>>2943687
These are like my figure drawings which I consider not good enough or 'qualified' to give advice. Not OP

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Just finished the feet exercise from "keys to drawing".
A-am I there yet?

>>2945097
>wearing shoes indoors

>>2945099
Kek. I did it for the exercise purpose (they have more details than my feet or slippers).
I would never wear shoes indoors. That's a blasfemy big as wearing sandals with socks.

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>>2943325
Okay I gestured her best I could, blocked her out and added the final touches. How does she look? Still feels like its lacking something.

>>2944298
Yeah how about not drawing pedo shit. Or lolicon or whatever.

>>2945060
I looked all throughout google searching for what gmi could mean and unless you're talking about how much money I'm making per month(Gross Monthly Income), you lost me.

>>2945083
Okay

>>2945103
Is she lying down? Besides the anatomy issues, think about weight distribution - she looks like she's lying down. Consider how she might actually stand without falling over.

>>2945083
This was just to show the process of gesture drawing I guess - people need to get over the "qualified" thing - you don't need to be perfect to give advice.

>>2945114
No she's standing...yeah there is issues. It looks like a fucking symbol for Pete's sake. I read Hampton, I took the steps. What am I missing anon? Will I ever be good at figure drawing?

>>2945062
why would i bother with doing the exerptizes?

>>2945103
So I've searched around and even drawing appealing anatomy models like that is proving difficult. How to I fix this?

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Really Really

Anons. Can i ask where you get supplies? I've been using chinese garbage brushes for lacquer work on wood but i think its really starting to hold me back now.

The only local art store I've found is hobbylobby, but they're basically a garbage dealer

>>2945076
>>2945078
pls help. i want to buy one for my little sister but hardly know art

>>2945159
wtf is this bastardized gesture? it looks nothing like what vilppu teaches but if i tried that i would be told that im not feeling the pose or some stupid shit...

>>2943385
I certainly wouldn't say that body has zero attractiveness. Is there a certain type of attractive body you're trying to imitate?

>>2945076
Wacom draw doesn't have touch functions.

>>2945116
yeah theres no rules restricting bad advice from people who havent perfected a skill thats why im keeping my mouth shut and working

>>2945165
I think its just what programs you get included

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Um.. May I ask something? I dunno if this is the place to ask it but does anyone have any tips for starting a web comic?

This is the first big project I'll be working on and I wanna make sure it doesn't look any shitter than what I already make it

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Something new.

>>2945134
Your guess is as good as mine. Suppose we'll have to do a thousand figure/gesture/box drawings then maybe we'll get it.

>>2945224
Please stop and read the sticky. Do a life drawing. Pick up a book or class. Do fucking something more than this.

>>2945230
Then is come other people who draw like me don't have to?

>>2945189
you mean like multitouch capability? im looking at the wacom that's the #1 best seller on amazon, but im wondering if i should pay up a little more if it doesnt have all the basics

>>2943358
Forehead too large, fingers too short, and her right eyes slightly protruded.

>>2945232
Because you constantly post these terrible whatever they are drawings that look like they came off the autistic parts of deviantart not to be a dick but seriously. Why don't you draw from one of the references in the thread, post it, and see where your real skill is at. Please.

>>2945232
what

>>2945230
stop replying to bait

>>2945224
Hahahaha. Nice cyclops.

>>2944060
You have potential if youre aiming for krenz or yoshinari. Confidence is key; every line you lay down must be absolute and planned out in your mind. Also, keep on grinding forms.

>>2944954
im glad to know that there is more peaple like me

>>2944060
That is mad good. I must ask how did you draw such good figures from imagination? What's your process?

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random shit.

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>>2944842
>>2944845
Incredibly helpfull!! Thanks for a many use Advice,

>>2945262
forgot to resize, sorry

new guy here. When I'm doing straight line exercises, I noticed that I put a decent amount of weight on with my hand on the paper. Is this normal? Should I be hovering my hand above the paper or just on the paper lightly? Sorry for the stupid question, I just started getting into this a few days ago.

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>>2945268
good nose, bro, the eyes are fine too, like technically it's all there, but i feel like you're not quite getting the forms, you should try drawing from a statue, like a roman realist bust or something like that, there's lots on the internet in high rez. that might sort of give you more of a feeling of the forms as they're slightly abstracted to be more '3d' than real eyes, but are better to draw from in terms of light and shadow and all that good stuff.

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ugh.. I made lines too long again to fit the head in again and totally fucked the hands. first attempt.

personal thoughts: you can call me retarded or whatever but this was genuinely taxing. I was overwhelmed looking at the space where his hands meet trying to pick apart what line looks like what and how long it is.

>>2945283
Thank you!! This advice is much appreciated. Time to make a Roman Realist Bust folder and fill it up.

>>2945275
it's better not to put you hand on the paper though, as a general rule, but lots of people do. an easy way to solve this problem is to draw on a titled surface, like a drawing/draughting table. a ring binder is something lots of people have that kinda works for starters, then you can get a drawing board later and prop it up on your lap with the edge of a table or whatever.

>>2945305
Thank you.

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Here is a portrait study. Mainly focusing on practicing values and creating edges, as well as learning how to blend.

>>2945335
Interesting mix of hard and soft edges but to really hit the mark you should try lowering the hardness of the brush you're using in areas where values should be blended more thoroughly. It's a little jarring (and in my opinion amateur) to see each individual brushstroke, especially long ones.

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Tell me what am I doing wrong before I keep doing it.

>>2945340
I had a tendency to overblend before where my images came out blurry. So I'm trying it now with the hard brush, and I see what you mean that it's not blended enough. I will work on that. Thanks for the feedback!

>>2945343
What kind of expression are you trying to portray on the woman's face? to me, it looks like a cross between disgusted bewilderment and Deer-in-headlights. I think a different mouth would fix it.

>>2945107
>I can assume age.
Fuck off.

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>>2945346
No idea I'm copying this photo

>>2945352
I think that the photo version of the girl has a bit more of a surprised, or even questioning look about her. The eye on your left needs to be slightly bigger. also in the photo, her cheekbone is a little higher, giving the side of her face more of a curve than youve drawn.

>>2945357
I'll have to remember that for when i tackle the face's detail. I know her face is curvier on the photo, I plan on trimming the outline at the end.

>>2945343
first off stop tracing

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>>2945340
Hey thanks for that. That little bit of blending with a soft brush did the trick.

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maybe i redeemed my shit figure from earlier with this

How does this look?

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>>2945442
I'm smart as heck, forgot pic

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>>2944394
That's a good suggestion
>>2944381
I'm really not that pretty

I studied a photo and made other observations of plants from life. The small imagination cropped figure was drawn far too small and I couldn't maintain any control over value, and ultimately compressed face made it look like a very strange and inhuman likeness. I'm trying to consider value in everything I draw

>>2945470
I'll go from left to right.
3... I don't know what the hell it is.
2... again, the lower third of the head is too compressed.
And finally, 1 and 4 look great. No, let's put it like this: FUCKING COOL, MAN. If there were more details on the hair and clothes, I'd say the fourth one looks perfect.

>>2945470
ur arent pretty. u are Beautiful

>>2945420
is that an alien

>>2945487
nah the model is legitmately that tall and thin. the ref was from a couple threads back

>>2945490
eric i swear to FUCKING god if i go look for the ref and there's measurement inaccuracies

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>>2945485
I appreciate the compliment, but please look at pic related and seriously rethink what you've just said (me).
>>2945475
I'll try and work out proportions some more. Thanks for the fast response!

>>2945494
>Finlay.jpg
lmao my man, hey to be honest the long hair thing doesn't work with your face shape but that's my opinion

>>2945497
That's a cool opinion. Now let's make this thread about art + critique again instead of a r8 thread (even though I started it)

Made some printoffs of the edited head and I'm planning to get down to studying now

>>2945500
at least tell me you cut it since then

>>2945491
ill do it for you in a min

>>2945504
No; I cut my fringe so it doesn't irritate my eyes but otherwise it keeps growing

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misplaced the boobs as usual but oh well i got most of it right

>>2945511
w-well?

>>2945521
Well, you didn't get "most" of it right, You still have proportion issues throughout the piece, Look at the areas where your lines are. There's more than just boobs misplaced. Knee is too low, ass too low, the foot in the front is off.

The figure itself is also way too thin. It starts off pretty decent at the top with the head and near the shoulders, but it progressively gets thinner as you go down. Way more noticeable as soon as you hit the waist. I'm sure you see it too, so just keep figure drawing. I would suggest just doing the sketches of it with pencil and forget about using things with color to just focus on the shape of the body instead of using color to try and fix basic mistakes.

Or don't listen to me, I'm shit at drawing.

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>>2944413
Gotta push out those daily gesture drawings.
Also did a photo study.

>>2945547
ill listen to you cause you made a lot of good points

How much practice will it take me before my lines aren't sloppy and wobbly?
Feels like I might be stuck in this beginner stage forever and it's more worth it to chicken scratch.

>>2945616
>>2945616
>>2945616

>>2945616
>>2945616
>>2945616

>>2945616
>>2945616
>>2945616

>>2945616
>>2945616
>>2945616

I have a strange problem: i feel comfortable and at ease when drawing dynamic gestures, poses and constructions.
But when i try to make static stuff, like just a person standing like in a character design turnaround, or normally sitting, i struggle like crazy, i don't know where to find lines or how to synthetize "staticness" if i'm working on a gesture nor how to give the figure a sense of 3D, especially if it's frontal view we're talking about.

Any suggestions? Are dynamic poses supposed to be actually more beginner-friendly than the basic ones that turnarounds need?

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sorry for the size, but could someone tell me what i'm doing wrong

>>2946462
you forgot the nose.

So I've drawn picasso a couple of times and followed the sticky, although it seems to go a little too swift for one with my skills.

What do I do now? Should I just start drawing random objects, humans, animals?