/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD - Anniversary

/beg/ threads existed since 2014 (maybe even earlier) though
I know because I used to be the OP for some of those back then

Congrats on your one year anniversary OP, and keep making progress fellow beginners.

I have a strange problem: i feel comfortable and at ease when drawing dynamic gestures, poses and constructions.
But when i try to make static stuff, like just a person standing like in a character design turnaround, or normally sitting, i struggle like crazy, i don't know where to find lines or how to synthetize "staticness" if i'm working on a gesture nor how to give the figure a sense of 3D, especially if it's frontal view we're talking about.

Any suggestions? Are dynamic poses supposed to be actually more beginner-friendly than the basic ones that turnarounds need?

>>2945624
For example, finding rhythm and appropriate lines to gesture this static pose is really troubling for me, while this one >>2945623
i have no problems with

(whoops, posted it in the old thread before i could notice it was moved)

How much practice will it take me before my lines aren't sloppy and wobbly?
Feels like I might be stuck in this beginner stage forever and it's more worth it to chicken scratch.

>>2945636
It depends on the time and effort you put into fixing it, bro.

>>2945188
Hm not really trying to imitate anything, I don't want to be bound to one body type. But I guess I'm just trying to push those feminine values (broad hips, small waist/shoulders, etc).

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roaaaarrr critc me roaaarrr

Can someone please explain to me which is superior? The "Wacom Intuos Draw CTL490DW Digital Drawing and Graphics Tablet" or the " Wacom Intuos Art Pen and Touch digital graphics, drawing & painting tablet"? Both are the top-selling tablets on Amazon right now and are priced the same, but I'm a digital version and have no clue what to look out for. It's mostly a gift for my little sister. Any help would be appreciated

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I've applied the gesture techniques to my drawing from last thread to try to improve the pose/body, but I don't think the new version is really better than the old one. In what way am I using gestures incorrectly, or is something else?

>>2945754
read the sticky

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Rate

>>2945777
i will read the sticky

>>2945783
you only need to read the part relevant to your question

>>2945774
It is better than the old one! It might be hard to tell but you can already see the anatomy and proportions are better, the pose is more dramatic and the gesture is more appealing to look at. The new one catches the eye and displays emotion while the old one tries but doesnt quite look right or natural. hope that helped.

>>2945774
gesture is something you have to grind to get good at

>>2945794
well that's true for pretty much everything drawing-related isn't it?

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>>2945616
Oooh I found one of mine in there.

I even have a more recent portrait of the very same character

who else /noprogress/ here?

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>>2945616
critique me PLZ

>>2945875
no construction

>>2945877
what does that mean

>>2945782
the hat is really nice!
try to really measure things with your pen or whatever to get proportions right

>>2945890
different anon.

it means you're just putting lines down without recognizing the forms those lines are supposed to represent.

that's the reason why so much of the picture looks flat and perspective is so wonky.

>>2945890
reported

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>>2945616
Decided to take a break from grinding figure drawing and do a (semi autistic looking)self portrait. Critique pls.

>>2945913
symbol drawing try drawing upside down exercises

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Just got my first drawing tablet yesterday, excited, only been drawing for like a year and it was all just traditional art and sketching. Ink pens and the cheap ballpoints from around the school. Get the tablet, install all that jazz.

>tfw this is what comes out when I draw
>tfw I have no clue how to use a tablet

>>2945949
that's nice for the first time

>>2945960
ty man, I can't get the hang of the tablet, dark fucking sorcery

>>2945743
srlsy pls critiq

>>2945616
nice job with the sticky

>>2945983
what does that mean?

>>2945975
Draw various simple things intensely for a few days, and you'll get used to it. Draw circles, write, etc.

>>2945984
i mean i really really like the thing that can be found under this link
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/

>>2945984
perhaps it was a plain, honest to god compliment

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is comic

>>2945998
have you been drinking again?

>>2946007
mind your business son. I provide for this family and i beerCan drink as much as i beercan

>>2945992
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eKv4BEujFU
I really really appreciate it.
>>2945994
guess it was ahah...

im planning on making a second thread to get another round of help for the sticky, roughly in 2-3 weeks time on a weekend so everyone has time.

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>>2945616
So a lot of art I think boils down to mentality. How do you approach your drawings, etc. So I'd like to take a kinda-sorta poll.

Take pic related. You start drawing it. How do you break down what you do next? Do you start big or small? Do you chip away at a general shape until you have what you like? What's your internal monologue? Stuff like that.

Finally, how long have you been drawing and how good would you say you are? What do you like/dislike about your drawing?

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why are this mans eyes so high up? i thought all humans had similar proportions?

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>>2946069
maybe its the camera lens

>>2945782
Still symbolic.

>>2946069
he's fat, he's scowling, the photos from an odd angle, and possibly photoshopped? kind of looks like the jaw was stretched downwards, not sure though. and also yeah issues with the type of camera.

>>2946069
>i thought all humans had similar proportions
That's a myth

>>2946109
this, my penis is much bigger than yours for example

>>2946114
HOOOWAAAYY LAD

>>2946114
jerry fuck off or i will tell our momma

>>2946069
Who is this guy and why do I keep seeing this photo

>>2946132
https://www.google.com/amp/heavy.com/news/2017/04/stevie-steve-stephens-cleveland-facebook-live-shooting-full-video-unedited-watch/amp/

>>2946132
guy recently livestreamed himself murdering a bunch of random people. cntrl f Steve Stephens on /pol/

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>>2946109
its true though, if you look at other images of him he looks more normal.

>>2946069
They aren't so high up. A part of his his head is obscured and his jaw is stretched downwards. A pretty clear expression to me, desu.

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>>2945618
Ahhhh it's fucking ugly.

>>2946153
features are way too big

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I should do more drawing with an actual pencil. Lack of CTRL+Z's gonna kick my asssssss.

>>2946157
draw light, use eraser

>>2946150
his proportions are still pretty weird.

see eyes are supposed to be not so close. the distance between them the same as the width of one eye. also eyes are supposed to be halfway down the head. corner of mouth in line with centre of eye. etc. he's a weird guy. doesnt look human.

>>2945789
Thanks, glad it's just my untrained eye. I will do as >>2945794 says and just keep using this method until it becomes natural!

>>2946153
at least lines are good

>>2946165
>doesnt look human.
he's black what do you expect?

>>2946155
Which ones?
>>2946175
Thanks :'^)

any tips are appreciated

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>>2946201
sorry forgot to resize

>>2946201
top should be more squashed for perspective

>>2946203
The perspective is really bad in this.

>>2945743
It's a cute dino. But it would be better if there was less unneded lines and an overall more solid linework. Note the chicken scratches in the forehead and the unneded lines in the leg and arm connections.

But it's still a pretty cute dino anyway.

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>>2945616
Same anon still grinding gestures and bloxing. How'd this one turn out?

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>>2945624

the more i study, it seems like actually putting pen to paper for hours consistently is more important than anything else. like a masochistic exercise in hating yourself forever until you can produce something decent. you'd there would be more success on 4chan.

>>2946249
Pretty much everything is off, more or less.

>>2946247
Good for a preschooler, I think. Otherwise, well, I would really like to praise you for anything, but I can't find a reason good enough... ah, y-yes, you captured the c-constrained motion of her leg quite well! Yes, haha, n-now can you put your pencil down, p-please?

>>2946260
Thanks for the encouragement anon. Mind showing a preschooler how its done than?

>>2946265
reported for not reading the sticky

>>2946265
Well, what did you intend to achieve with your drawing? I may try to do a quickie in my style.

>>2946260
>pretty much everything.

That'ts the most vague and pointless criticism. Stop posting.

>>2946272
Okay I have read the sticky and I've been reading Hampton so idk what your talking about.

>>2946276
Please do, I appreciate any feedback since apparently this is the worst thing I've drawn so far.

>>2946284
considering that you used precisely none of the techniques or knowledge in those books its clear that you either didnt or are retarded.

>>2946276
Looked over it again and I concede it is terrible. Feels bad man/woman.

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Eh, fuck it. Am i going to make it?

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wip

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>>2946249
preschooler here
rate my stomach /ic/

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>>2946281
I usually give out constructive and detailed feedback, but when everything is off, it is easier to say that. It is bad as a copy, and even if we suppose she's drawn at a different angle, her anatomy is still far from perfect. See pic.

>>2946285
Then again, what the heck did you want to draw? Did you want to draw a naked female body with proper anatomy and foreshortening? Did you want to draw a proper face? Did you want to try rendering? Did you just want to draw a "not stiff" pose?

so like, how does the anime style actually work? what happens to the jawbone?

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ugh...

>>2946294
The jawbone gets rekt^W rounder if you're female and more angular if you chose the hard difficulty.

>>2946301
what

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Anyone who is actually good at rendering wanna offer some advice with this?

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>start robertsons' book [spoiler]for the 2nd time[/spoiler]
>get to the point of multiplying squares in perspective
>the basics are easy enough to understand
>but then the motherfucker draws 100 new lines finding a whole bunch of new midpoints just to transfer ONE fucking curve in perspective
>takes him nearly 10 minutes to plot this whole thing
>FOR ONE CURVE

BUT WHY
Just looking at it and thinking of all the time this shit takes is off putting. Yeah I understand it's like this to get the most accurate results which is very important in perspective but holy christ.

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>>2946165
>see eyes are supposed to be not so close. the distance between them the same as the width of one eye. also eyes are supposed to be halfway down the head. corner of mouth in line with centre of eye. etc. he's a weird guy. doesnt look human.
>MFW
Not al proportions fall under Da Vinci rules, you dumb cracker.

>>2946308
What do you mean by "what"?

>>2946310
That arrow can't possibly show the direction of light neither for each individual ball nor for all of them together, and shading is inconsistent with some of them, namely "Ref" and "Me".

>>2946323
weeeeew

>>2946293
I just wanted to draw a female body with proper anatomy that looked good. Also wanted to make it not look stiff. And no I slacked on the face on purpose.

>>2946326
I really don't know what to take away from this though. I'm clueless on how to improve rendering.

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is it just me, or is it obvious that the painter took a photo and just copied it instead of painting from life

>>2946338
I forgot to comment on my own post like a retard.

I started learning how to draw yesterday, been grinding gesture drawing but this guy is my second figure using imagination only

>>2946335
angle of reflection = angle of incidence

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Welp, hello. I'm new on 4chan, and I would like a critic on this drawing of mine. I will post the reference picture in a response to this reply. I hope we can get along ^^

>>2945616
https://youtu.be/NNd4NT-1z

>>2946345
Okey dokey doctor jones

>>2946348
that ain't right

>>2946346
you don't actually need to put names here

>>2946346
lurk more

>>2946357
I know, but I'm used to it. And, to say the truth, I don't mind xD

>>2946362
oh nooo

>>2946362
you aren't more special than anyone else, sorry to break it to you

>>2946346
Get out

>>2946362
many people here will shit on you for doing the "xD" emoticons or whatever and I can see its already too late

>>2946365
>>2946368
>>2946369
WOW, so angry the people here xD u guys are mad because cant draw as good as me? so bad community

>>2946368
lol, why would I think I'm special just because of a nickname?

>>2946376
You said you're new to 4chan so I guess I should explain. The idolizing of an anonymous culture on websites is the idea that your argument is your only worth. No reputation, no nothing - I understand that reddit or wherever you came from has handles attached to someone but the culture is just different. People are less inclined to take you seriously if you namefag but who gives a fuck anyway.

>>2946382
welp, if you guys say so, so be it

i want to die

>>2946385
"we" are not saying anything. the name field is there so use it if you want to

>>2946339
Quite obvious.

>>2946332
I'm already drawing my new idea, sorry.

>>2946335
Well, duh, the most illuminated point of the ball is the one closest to the most intense light source (assuming the ball isn't composite), and the darkest point is on the opposite side, on the axis of the light rays that hit the ball at the most illuminated point (if there's nothing to reflect the light nearby the supposedly darkest point). The shadow goes in the same direction the light shines, and the softness of its edges depends on the intensity of the light source, its size, the distance to it, and the other light sources. The length of the shadow depends on the vertical angle of the light source in relation to the surface. The shape of the surface also plays a part.

I can draw a rough picture to explain it if my wording isn't clear enough.

>>2946260
Post art

>>2946339
Nothing wrong with painting from photos, especially ones you took.

>>2946375
yes we suck now get out of here

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>>2946394
Okay! Here, an example of visual art (pic related), a musical art, and literary art for you. (I wasn't quite sure what you wanted.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBBDmDF0mXs
http://www.hpmor.com

>>2946397
Completely loses all artist value. What makes paintings and drawings so interesting to look at is the choices the artist made with lines and colours. It's like a window into someone's mind, making you feel something.

There are tons of super technically skilled artists on youtube that copy photos and post "speed drawing" videos, and they all only have 1k views. No one gives a shit because they lack artistic value.

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I don't draw humans often at all, could someone do a red line and complete the arms/hands?

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>>2946290
Second doodle. How do i get past the "wiki how image" stage?

>>2946433
You need to draw the oars first.

>>2946446
Ok, I'll try, I just don't know where to start with the hands.

>>2946447
For starters imagine yourself in the shoes of your character. Imagine how'd you hold the oars and position one of your hands accordingly. Now, holding the hand in the same position, rotate the arm and stretch your neck to see how it should look from the intended angle. Observe, memorize, and copy. Repeat the process for the other hand. Profit!

>>2946439
ideally by breaking out of symbol drawing

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>>2945616
I found one of mine up there
I feel like it sticks out more

>tfw u feel like u might make it
:)

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>>2946488

god damn i hate reading books

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Started Michael Hampton's figure drawing book a few days ago and I don't feel like I'm getting the hang of gestures like at all. These are six random ones pulled from the ~40 1 minutes I just did.

"don't worry about contour" he says so I make sure not to and it ends up looking like a swirly stick figure. Am I using too many lines? Comparing my shit to his it looks like he's a lot more conservative in his mark-making and it ends up looking less messy. Also, his talk about the spine just made it more confusing, to be honest.

Any advice on how to *get it*? Is it just a matter of drawing like 100 of them every day until it sticks?

Also, what's the best pose website out there? Preferably one that doesn't just switch between bad cosplayers in incredibly stiff poses and fucking photos from retarded angles of people doing backflips.

>>2946492
same here

I also hate watching tutorials so it's painful either way

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>>2946495
I've posted about this before, but if you look at the author's gestures you'll see that they all have lines that communicate contours, proportion, perspective, and anatomy. Some of his figures have lines that even show things like the corners of the pelvis, the tendons on the back of the knee, and even fucking triangles for the scapulae. He has lines warping around the legs of the figures communicating form, not action. It is so misleading.

In short, you cannot create a gesture until you have an understanding of anatomy, proportion, and perspective.

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Would you dicc my thicc, /beg/?

>>2945877
contruction is a meme

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Starting with the basics, and trying to get form and construction right. I'm still having a hard time "seeing" what I draw in 3D though. I guess just more time will help that?

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Here's a sample from the shitiest artist in this part of 4chan

Enjoy

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What am i doing wrong in terms of likeness to loomis and making it not appear so flat.

>>2946512
Line wieght dudecake, google it, but the jist is thin lines for towards the light source, thicker lines for away, and try to taper them somewhat to show change.

>>2946513
Thanks, will google it. Be back sometime after more attempts

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>>2946513
>>2946512
Quick tracover to show what I mean,

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>>2946501
Wait, is this true? Why the fuck would he put it at the very beginning of his book, then?

He goes over the contour lines and landmarks in the chapter after gestures so I kinda figured he just drew gestures that illustrated both concepts.

Well fuck, where the fuck am I supposed to start now.

>>2946521
He puts it in the beginning because it's what you start with, it doesn't mean you have to master it before moving on, you bakayaro.

>>2946519
>beginners teaching beginners

>>2946524
Nothing wrong with that here. This is a place for beginners only, so it only makes sense to teach each other.

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>>2946523
Wait, I'm getting mixed fucking messages here - it's something you have to master before moving on (to anatomy, proportion, etc) but literally can't do until you've mastered anatomy, proportion, etc?

Are you pullin' my leg, boy?

>>2946521
That is how a lot of instructors teach.

The logic is: "When creating an individual drawing you should start with the gesture, therefore when learning to draw you should first learn with the gesture". Doesn't really work out.

The best book for beginners is keys to drawing.

>>2946530
Nevermind, turns out I have no reading comprehension.

>>2946524
the drawthread and anime thread want nothing to do with us

it's make or break in here

>>2946531
keys to drawing doesn't teach anatomy like Hampton does, they're on different subjects and you can't compare which one is "better for beginners"

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I've just started to try and learn to draw. Emphasis on try. It's immensely overwhelming how much stuff there is to learn and what beginner's guides don't touch you is how to actually draw. All my lines look wobbly as fuck and I have no idea how I should do lines or how I should move my arm. Do I flick lines? Broad strokes? What the hell am I supposed to do, all my lines look like wobbly 5 year old attempts and I just have no confidence in this at all.

>>2946521
Some of his gestures don't have landmarks so you could just look for them and try to mimic them. But it's probably better if you just move on to the landmark chapter and incorporate what you've learned.

Also when they say "don't worry about proportion and perspective" they don't mean to just throw these concepts out the window, they mean you shouldn't measure everything and plot the perspective out perfectly.

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>>2946153
the head shape's nice, but i feel like you've got some face creep going on there, friend

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Is there a point to learning to draw at 25? My brain's already finished developing and I read that it's impossible to master a skill after that no matter how much you practice.

[spoiler] I just wanna get good enough to draw porn [/spoiler]

>>2946541
A beginner needs to develop basic perception skills and muscle memory before than can even begin to learn anatomy. If you don't know how to manipulate a box or a cylinder in any direction you want in 3D space, it is a waste of time to try to draw a whole human figure, you'll just get frustrated and quit. So yes, keys to drawing is objectively better for beginners. Left side of the brain is okay to read too.

>>2946581
>he fell for the neuroplasty meme

>>2946543

Try the lessons on drawabox.com. They're all about starting with learning how to draw clean lines and curves that go where you want them to.

>>2946585
Link me research saying it's not true, then.

>>2946541
>>2946584
This is why I recommend keys to drawing. The pictures in it are shitty looking, so the beginner doesn't feel bad. It is just muscle memory you need to develop.

>>2946587
its true and youll never be good at art
time to give up

>>2946589

It's also worth mentioning that if you have Amazon Prime, you can download the ebook version for free.

>>2946590
delete this
it's NOT FAAAAAAAAIR

>>2946581
So, basically, anyone who wants to learn how to draw at 18 or older is essentially fucked?
Well, shit, I'm glad I didn't waste time practicing
Good luck to the rest of you guys

How do I draw chinese cartoons

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>>2946611

>>2946613
Oh fuck.
Okay, let's do this.

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>>2946613
wrong version bud

>>2946624
pls dont meme the newfag
he may fall for it

>>2946524
its almost like this a containment thread for beginner artists or something

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how do i stop doodling a lot and being afraid of learning loomis?

>>2946643
Are you afraid or trying to ignore the fact that it's going to take a lot of effort to learn how to draw?

>>2946581
if you have this kind of moron attitude you were never going to make it to begin with lol

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>>2946644
Is it possible to doodle AND learn how to draw at the same time? How much effort would you say it takes to get like these people? I'm not saying I want to learn their "styles" either.

>>2946646
you didnt answer his question so i assume you just want to draw shitty anime and not bother to get good

>>2946646
i think you will be better suited for deviantart or possibly tumblr if you're ambitious

>>2946650
Well actually I'm more anxious about learning how to draw.

>>2946652
what do you want me to say? art is a difficult skill to be good at, if you want to draw anime shit it will take years of dedication.

>>2946655
What about cartoons? Is it about the same? And here I thought art was enjoyable.

>>2946659
look if you want to learn art go read loomis, if you don't want to learn then go back to drawing whatever youre doing. That's the bottom line. No form of art is easy.

>>2946662
but they said i have to learn shapes first, why can't i just read loomis and copy the heads in it

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Day 6 at drawing still dreaming about anime

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>>2946664
>day 6
Much better than my attempt (pic related), although I'm four days behind you.
This took me like half a damn hour to do so, be honest lads, should I even bother?

>>2946664
>>2946671
what are either of you doing on a tablet

>>2946679
Attempting to draw. Clearly not working though.

>>2946680
well, at least you're trying unlike some people

>>2946683
It's only my 2nd or 3rd day at it, so it's baby steps so far.
Soul crushing, very demotivational baby steps, but I want to push past this first hurdle somehow.

>>2946684
Everyone has to start somewhere

>>2946685
Oh I know, it's just a bit tough. I have no idea what rate I should be progressing at. Will I see huge improvement in a short amount of time until I hit a wall, from which I'll just slowly improve over the years?

>>2946664
>>2946671
If reality is too soul crushing. Just go back to doodle for now.

feng zhu said that learning to love drawing is important, and that even if its all shitty at first, is an important step.

>>2946688
I see your point but there are things I'd love to draw that I simply cannot yet.
Plus you should be willing to work through the pain. That's the only way you can get better, unless you want to sit in your own hugbox and never improve.

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yeet

>>2946689
No hugbox, rather just learn to enjoy drawing.

No one likes learning, but before the pain you should learn why do you want to go trough that shit. So basically come back when you feel like impeaching your heart to better yourself.

Unless you are ready to take the spear, in which case just ignore all I said above.

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Sorry guys, I dropped my anatomy book in the toilet and I'm still waiting for it to dry out, is he handsome enough?

>>2946695
Did you drop your anatomy book in the toilet because you were sketching your delicious penis while taking a shit?

>>2946694
>No one likes learning, but before the pain you should learn why do you want to go trough that shit.

I want to be able to gift art to others, maybe drop anonymous art in various threads, and as well as satisfying my own imagination by putting it to paper.
I do enjoy the little intricacies of art and seeing my drawing come to life, it's just an initial struggle right now.

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I've decided to try full figures; I can distribute the effort towards drawing each feature and progressively enhance my understanding of everything at the same time then. I'll continue to draw from reference. Please tell me if you think I should go back to faces

Please excuse the hat; I really don't know why I keep drawing a hat on them

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>>2946695
almost there

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>>2946664
>>2946671
this has gotta be bait

>>2946764
I wish it was.
Why the hell do you think I posted in a beginner's thread?

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>>2945619
This took forever to paint. I feel like something is still off with the likeness but I can't tell anymore. I've been trying to improve my edges and anatomy. Off to bed now. Feedback is very much appreciated.

>>2946249
It looks like you're trying to apply a style to the drawing rather than actually drawing what you're seeing.

e.g the head shape is clearly different, as is the jawline. the top curve on the left boob isn't that curved and is much smoother.

Basically it's all a little bit off. Ofc it doesn't have to be perfectly accurate but when you're trying to learn from realism and don't have a good understanding of anatomy, it's best to try and get all the shapes as close as possible.

>>2946765
its like turning up to a cooking class with instant ramen with chives on it, you didnt even try and unironically ask people for advice

>>2946782
Oh, well sorry if I bothered you.
All I know is that I just gotta practice the baby steps. Lines, and even learning how to move my damn hand. Nothing feels comfortable yet.

>>2946779
you should have just photobashed it. don't waste time.

>>2946784
read the sticky, the point is everyone can tell you did ZERO study to create the image.

>>2946779
i don't know about the likeness, there are a few things i can point out,
um,

1) there are some issues with the edges here and there and tones being a bit off (lack of contrast between adjacent tones mainly)

2) there is an issue with anatomy/perspective depending how you look at it, where part of her face is all pushed in, and some other bits of distortion here and there, did you draw like an armature underneath and paint it or just use tone? either way is fine but sometimes a bit of under drawing can keep things in perspective (literally and figuratively)

but i don't think any of these things are so out of wack that some joe on the street would notice it, so i think it's fine, i don't think you should continue though, if you don't think you have the likeness just start again, it'll take fooorever to fix up, and most people will barely notice the difference.

>>2946784
Don't listen to the other anon, I get what you're doing, and I think the most important thing for you right now is to start by having fun. After that dive in to the sticky and do your fundies. Do them cartoons, anime, whatever.

>>2946844
reported

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Decided to face my fears and draw hands. I avoid it in every painting that I do and its really setting me back. Even here I hid a finger or two and the anatomy is really bad and the sizes of the hands are inconsistent.

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>>2945574

>>2946422
Are you equating hat painting with a blind photocopy? Are you implying that this painting is visually indistinguishable from a photo, and the artist had no creative input? Is Rockwell's work less skilled because he used photo references? What about old masters using a camera obscura?

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>>2945618

>>2946863
overlay it and see that the jaw isnt low/long enough and the lips are off. also could do with some rhythm lines

>>2946397
>Nothing wrong with painting from photos, especially ones you took.
then why are there so many people that dislike painting and drawing from photographs?

Why has it always been an issue?

For my part I just feel like it is cheating. I can't explain why, but there is something about it that rings of deception. It's like my brain thinks it is getting something of value, but when I realize it was copied from a photo, I feel deceived. I don't know why, but that's how it feels. I also think that people copying from photos are prone to justify it, since there isn't anything about it that is obviously wrong. But in then again, why is it an issue?

>>2946870
Only an issue if someone tries to pass it off as if they never used a photo.

>>2946875
nah.

>>2946876
yah.

>>2946877
It's not. When I see a picture and I realize it is from photograph I get kind of angry, cause it feels like the artist tries is fooling people. I have never seen a painting or drawing with a disclaimer on it that says "copied from photo".

>>2946883
>cause it feels like the artist tries is fooling people.
The artist that doesn't disclose that they used photo is the one fooling people. The one that does disclose is laying out their hand, and you getting angry thinking that the latter is the one fooling people is the real fool.

Why can't I into straight lines at all?

I've been doing the drawabox exercises for a while now and i see very little improvement. My lines are still either crazy wobbly or imprecise. I also can't draw at any angle that isnt perpendicular to the sheet.

My hands tremble a lot when I don't rest them on the paper. I'm starting to think there is something seriously wrong with them

>>2946884
How many times have you seen a picture where it is disclosed that it is copied from a photo? We are already on the nitpicking, rationalizing road to justification here, so you need to get back to the real issue here. Do you agree that copying from photo is generally looked down upon? If so, why is that the case.

>>2946870
Using references will always produce better results than not using them at all. It's a tool like any other. Viewers feel lesser impressed when references are used because it takes away the magic and mystique from the art making process. Part of the issue is there's a history of artists who claim to never use references, but have. It gives a false impression to the public of what's consistently achievable.

There's no shame in using references if you aren't ruling off someone else's work, whether it's their painting or their photography. That said, you shouldn't be expected to list off every single reference for every single piece that used some. At the same time, you shouldn't lie about its use when asked.

Bragging about not using a reference is its own bag of worms. People try to use that to flaunt skill, or to excuse imperfections that are easily fixed by doing your research. Second, people have widely different opinions on what counts as using a reference. To some, not using a reference means not looking at anything that wasn't in your mind, to others it means they didn't slavishly copy a photo, but consulted photos for minor details they didn't already know. Third, it ignores the contribution that's years of study serves as a reference. Two artists could draw a plane purely from imagination, but the one that studied photos of them extensively in the past will do a better job. Technically, references were used to get their mental library to the point where those photos as stored.

Just want to know if I'm headed in the right direction here. I started drawing 3 days ago now and I've been working with a few websites like Draw a Box(Lines,Ellipses,Boxes Lesson), I'm also going through the Video section of Ctrl+Paint and am a few videos in the traditional drawing section. I've currently been doing some art for 20 Wiimotes as my phone is cracked and not in great condition to use a good reference but I think I'm getting the general idea of being able to perceive angles and such.

Is there any other sort of websites I should be taking a peek at to nurture my progress? I've been hesitant on drawing anything from my imagination and have been trying to build a solid foundation and keeping up with said drawing exercises daily. If I continue this path will I see good results in say, a years time?

>>2946897
>I've been hesitant on drawing anything from my imagination
That is a whole skill in and of itself, and it doesn't hurt to get started on that early. That said, for now use it as a means to test what you know, then seek out references that are similar enough to what you did, identify your mistakes, then correct them in a new drawing. You'll need to build a visual library.

You can also use your imagination in different ways, like drawing an object in front of you or from a photo and changing something about it intentionally. Did the end result come out better or worse than the original source? Why?

You could have a simple object on your desk as a reference, then use that and your imagination to draw it from an angle other than the one you're currently looking at. Once done, check what the real thing should look like, note your mistakes and correct them.

Use imagination to test and develop skills that don't revolve around purely copying what's in front of you. You don't want to end up in a situation where you can proficiently copy what's in front of you, but can't draw from imagination at all. There's a balance, but early on I would say it's more important to learn to copy what's in front of you accurately.

>>2946756
We need more posters like you in this godforsaken board, blue-sketch Anon.

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>>2945621

I tired anon.
Someday, I'll git gud, not today, not tomorrow but I will do it everyday and eventually I will be reach the tier of old masters.

>>2946965
First you'll need to stop using the hair brush for rendering skin.

>>2946979
I love the lines and will continue using that brush. I don't know why I like the lines but it will look cool if I understand the flow of the skin. Don't you agree?

>>2946995
I can't agree since I have never seen skin with such a texture on a photo or IRL. A brush with a realistic pencil texture, on the other hand...

Even if you do find a way to make the hair brush work, the skin will most likely look unnecessarily oily.

>>2946848
leave the beg thread

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>>2946260
yeah it's off because I was tired like the filename said.
>>2946781
yeah my realism is really wonky. I want to master it though, or at least get the shapes relative/accurate as I can

I guess I just need to practice more. thanks for the feedbacks

>>2947015
His right eye is tilted sideways and the left one has different shape and values. But his jawline is what ruins the pic. You shifted the chin to the right so much that it looks pretty unnatural. His hair is poorly defined, to add.

>>2947016
Drawing when tired out is a pretty bad idea.

>>2947017
(P. S. Maybe I should add that I always name left and right relative to the subject.)

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>>2945616
Am I gonna make it?

>>2946764
I wish but I'm that bad

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Does anyone else start drawing, and then become so overwhelmingly frustrated that they just want to smash everything? Just me?

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>>2947017
Better?

>>2945631
^anyone?

>>2947044
I draw, find something that troubles me, have a positive attitude about it and analytically think about what's wrong with it.
Then i post questions on /beg/, get answered "sticky" and become so overwhelmingly frustrated that i just want to smash everything

>>2947059
Fuck loomis, he don't think it be like it is but it do!

>>2947061
reported

>>2945616
Its so funny seeing mine just there..and knowing how much i´ve improved.
Hope we will have a great next year.

>>2947050
Yes, but his face is still stretched out / distorted diagonally.

>>2947000
I am not trying to mimic real life. Photography does that better than me.
I am very sensitive to lines and quite ocd about them. I love how the brush works. Not sure why.

>>2947097
Well, no wonder. It's a good brush that (a similar one, to be correct) has produced several unexpectedly good results for me.

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I figured I'd learn to draw the right way and so I signed up for a drawing class at my local community college. The professor keeps going on and on about how to learn to draw, you have to do it "from the right brain. Don't think in terms of words, numbers, or objects and just observe". What the fuck does this mean? I can't draw anything without checking to see if my angles are accurate, if the symmetry is correct, if the eye actually looks like a goddamn eye. All of this involves the things he's saying not to think of. What am I missing here?

>>2947145
its retarded pseudoscience, ignore it

>>2947144
Pretty neat/artsy, but sloppy in the lower bits.

>>2947145
A carefree mood.

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How long do I need to spend drawing per day if I don't want to draw like a Deviantart reject after a year?

>>2947154

I don't want to be carefree about this, I want to work hard and git gud. Or is a carefree mood how I git gud? Prior to this class I had never seriously drawn before so this is all new to me.

>>2947159
If you don't have anybody to whip your ass, you'll probably burn out long before you git gud.
So draw lightly and happily, receive critique, see and accept your mistakes, and learn from them.

>>2947158
1 hour, not like you are aiming high desu.

>>2947152
This.

>>2947159
sounds like the correct mindset. imo ignore >>2947161 he probably wont make it and is trying to sabotage other people to make himself feel less pitiful. set your hours, grind it out, think hard about what you need to do to improve. read the books.

>>2947166
Two words:
BOB ROSS.

>>2947175
That's half the reason why I signed up for the class. The homework assignments keep me drawing when I don't want to and it gives me access to an expert to critique my works.

Right now, drawing isn't fun for me, and that's because I suck. Once I stop sucking, I know it'll be more fun, which is what motivates me to keep doing it now.

>>2947183
Whoops, meant to respond to >>2947161

Not to say that Bob Ross wasn't an inspiration though.

>>2945782
did you sent this to dave? hahaha

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>>2945616
Should I pay for drawing classes at my college? I'm in a program unrelated to art, but the art department is really chill and they said I can just pay individual classes without worrying about prerequisite.

Does anyone have any really good, informative infographs on legs? Even with references, trying to draw these fucking things is driving me insane.

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>>2947202
Sth like zis?

>>2947206
That one is okay, but I'm referring to the legs as a whole. Everything I have is just showing clusters of shapes and not explaining what muscles/shapes usually show through the skin, how to shade them or what muscle connects to what.

How do I learn to git consistent with my drawings. As in, being capable of doing the same picture over and over again and with the same proportions?

I feel like that's what's fucking my drawings the most.

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>>2947031
Hard to say, if you've got 0 experience in drawing then maybe.

If you've been at it for a while you need to approach your practice and learning differently cause it doesn't seem to be getting you anywhere.

>>2947220
Should add, it's not the worst thing ever. I've seen much worse. Didn't want to put you down.

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>>2947212
like this?

>>2947216
You should study real sunset pictures, and try eye dropping colors from them. Sun should be the whitest thing in your picture, foreground need to be close to black, the green your using needs to have a lot of red in it. If that white shit is suppose to be fog, it should be the same color as the atmosphere. Upper sky still needs to be blue.

>>2947212
Um, any human anatomy book then? Literally any book should have a section describing legs.

>>2947213
I think that requires doing the same thing over and over and over again, thousands of times, like kata in karate.

>>2947227
i literally took the top and bottom color from a sunset photo and added it as a gradient
Thx for the fog and color tips

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>>2945616
WHY WONT ANY OF THESE FAGGOTS READ THE FUCKING STICKY BEFORE POSTING AND ASK "HOW CAN I GIT GUD IN ALL ASPECTS FROM SCRATCH"

IS IN THE FRONT FUCKING PAGE GOD DAMN

hey guys i'm 25 can i still make it? how can i git gud in all aspects from scratch?

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hello I am retarded so I need to be shown something to learn it. reading through hampton I just can't comprehend it without being shown the process. does anyone know of any good video guides on the fundamentals and other beginner stuff?
the sticky has proko but I'd like to see other resources.

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>>2947212
>>2947226
>>2937229

Anatomy books are overrated, this is the only tutorial needed to master leg drawing.

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>>2947235
shut up and draw.

>>2947238
There are faces full of pain on both of his knees. You won't be able to unsee it forever.

>>2946886
Anyone?

>>2947253
You might have a case of rapid neuroplasticity declinious.

>>2946886
How long have you been practicing?

My hands are shaky as hell and it took me three months of drawabox to achieve remotely good looking lines.

Practice practice practice practice practice. Unless you physically cannot hold a pencil, practice will make your lines look better.

>>2947253
Sounds like you have shaky hands. Either keep practicing, or just learn to deal with it. You don't really need clean lines unless you're doing lineart or sometimes traditional.

>>2947254
wrong meme.

>>2946886
use you should/elbow for longer lines
>I also can't draw at any angle that isnt perpendicular to the sheet.
then turn the sheet and use the ghosting method, he says to turn the sheet if you have trouble in his first lesson.

>>2947237
Go trough the second link in the sticky.
The tutorials section.

>>2947220
>>2947222
I'm new at it. Anyways, I don't think I've improved much so I will follow your instruction anyway. Criticism is always welcome.

>>2947145
It's pseudoscience. It's true there is a division of tasks between the two sides of the brain but they make it sound like artists just feel the drawing or some shit. Proportions, horizon lines, vanishing points, these are all analytical skills extensively used in drawing.

What they do mean is to stop drawing symbols or simplifications of what you see. Why they feel the need to add so much garbage pseudoscience I don't know.

If anything it makes people improve less because they start just drawing pointless shit and be really careless with their lines because DUDE RIGHT SIDE LMAO DONT THINK.

So I've drawn picasso a couple of times and followed the sticky, although it seems to go a little too swift for one with my skills.

What do I do now? Should I just start drawing random objects, humans, animals until I feel somewhat comfortable?

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Trying to draw heads without reference. Please correct one or two of them. You don't have to do them all, as there must be some common mistake between all of them.

Also, are there any books or tutorials on learning to just draw complex 3d shapes - more than just spheres and boxes? I think it'll help me better think in 3D, and would be helpful since the method I'm using to construct heads involves needing to know how to rotate irregular objects.

>getting into lighting
>too poor for nice pencils
>only have a 6b pencil from high school
Fuck me

>>2947332
Well, you can use your eraser very gently...

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I don't fucking understand anime noses
Are they just an indentation?

I keep doing these weird pig style for my front facing stuff but I don't know if that's the correct way or not
Every artist i've looked at does it differently

Is there not like a specific universal anime nose

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just got a tablet
for some reason it won't work in photo shop. it will work in GIMP (pic rel) but the lines are very very light unless I press down hard on the tablet, maybe this is just how tablet works. the only program that it works well in is paint where it makes simple lines perfectly.
how do I set up a tablet to work in photoshop?

the dark line in the center I did with my mouse to compare

>>2947348
Learn to draw regular faces first. Plenty of books on that. After, you can draw anime no problem.

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>>2947358
I don't know much about photoshop but for your tablet pressure problem try going into your control panel and find your tablet properties. It should hopefully give you an option to adjust your pressure.

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>>2947358
Assuming you have a wacom you may want to go to your Wacom properties on the pencil tab. (pic rel)

>>2946785
It wasn't a total waste since I got a lot of rendering practice. But yeah it's not efficient for studying.

>>2946804
I see what you mean with the lack of contrast. The subtle changes in tone are tricky to see.

I did have an underlyig drawing before painting, but it wasn't very good, and so I had to make some adjustments with the liquify tool. That's probably why it looks warped. I'll keep those things in mind. Thanks a lot for your feedback!

>>2946581
Yeah you should just give up learning any skill that you don't already know past the age of 25. Good luck.

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>>2947358
photoshop now recognizes the tablet sorta. it won't let me draw but it can make lines. when I put the pen to the tablet nothing happens but when I click with my mouse photoshop makes a line from the pen tap to the mouse click, like making a straight line by holding shift and clicking 2 points.
so that means photoshop atleast recognizes there is a tablet and is not ignoring it completely.
paint works fucking great (pic rel), guess I'll just have to use that for the rest of my life

>>2947377
how do I access that menu?

>>2947378
im using a turcom, its an offbrand that uses huion drivers.
also how do I access that menu, day 1 with a tablet so im kinda clueless.

>>2947394
Install turcom drivers from official website.
And inside the folder where the drivers are installed (usually in Program files),there should be a couple of executables, one of them should bring up the menu.

>>2947348
noses arent the only thing you dont understand

>>2947449
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>>2947449
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>>2947449
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can i get a crit please? im very new to digital painting