/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

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Was kicking my self once I realized the bust is way to fucking high

>>2897667
What's wrong with her face?

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>>2897678
Related to pic related

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>>2897678
>>2897678
/ic/ bitter virgins

>>2897664
Uh...well....that's one of the problems.

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trying to work on a flower.

better than what i was a few months ago but i still feel sick seeing how mediocre my technical ability is.

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Trying to overcome anorexia and the only thing I can do is make art

>>2897764
woa, this so butiful and inspriatonol
just woa

>>2897768
Are you being sarcastic? Srs

>>2897764
How are you so good?

>>2897764
mechanically this is pretty bad, but there's still something appealing about it. It'd look better if your linework was smoother and anatomy more consistent, but even as is, I don't think it's terrible.

>>2897782
Thank you, I realize it's pretty shit. I'm coming down from a lot of adderall and idk if anyone else has experienced this but it sucks.

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drawing from thumbnails now, advice?

>>2897774
I feel like this is sarcastic :(

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reposting here in the new thread,

It took a long time. I still don't think I got her likeness enough though. Any ideas on how to bring it closer?

>>2897805
But it looks just fine, anon...

>>2897796
spend more than 5 minutes on each one if you're taking this seriously

>>2897815
i am serious, i spent a full hour on those drawing

>>2897810
Hm, yeah I think it's fine too. Just something not quite resembling the reference is all.

>>2897796
Messy lines can look good sometimes, but in your case, you probably weren't trying for that. So clean up your line work and don't have such spiky lines like on the back or the waist. Measure ten times and draw once. Go over line if you want emphasis. Also Loomis.

>>2897803
Oh yeah, I know what you mean. I've been doing a lot of studies lately actually but just thought I'd try to copy draw a reference for fun.

>>2897805
>>2897820
fuck you

>>2897845
why are you jealous at that guy? hes only copy pasting a picture

>>2897850
Lets see you copy paste a picture faggot

><algenpfleger>I would stay the hell away from loose line drawings, blind drawings, copying anatomy from books, doing greyscale paintings, just drawing the silhouette of things, and collaborating. All these things, in retrospect I think, damaged my progress and cost me probably a year that otherwise I would've been arriving earlier at whatever destination.
What did he mean by this?

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spent a hour "trying" to colour this till i realized "why" the face looks bad
gonna improve on that, does anyone have a guide for colouring though? really want to improve on that as well on the side

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fuck man folliage is hard with gouache. i was looking okay until i attempted it

>>2897858
mabe i should just cut the last part of right side off, thats not cheating right?

>>2897858
you're using gouache like its watercolor, which is a valid option but you might want to explore a bit. Skip to 5:00 in this video to see how pros used to use gouache to paint scenery:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JK9uQNBDxQ

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>>2897859
everyone does that anon, its perfectly fine
but for yourself you should improve that as well so you can become better
also the water on your picture doesn't look quite realistically, the only way it can reflect the trees like that is when the water is "still" but seeing theres a small "waterfall" there you should have made it more like pic related

>>2897850
>>2897805
>posts work in beginner thread
>clearly not a beginner

What's wrong? Get bullied out of the draw threads?

>>2897867
im here trying to help people get better, and let me tell you, literally copying a reference is NOT improvement
you are only improving if you analyze the reference and then draw it from short-term memory while at the same time gets turned into your long-term memory by mileage
That guy would have need to do atleast 10yrs worth of drawings like that every day before he can draw realistical faces from imagination
And thats only the girl-faces!
Its not good practice

>>2897869
So what is good practice?

>>2897858
how is ur gouache so much better than ur digital

>>2897869
shitty bait

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>>2897867
>What's wrong? Get bullied out of the draw threads?
Nah, I just wanted to draw the reference.

For copying pictures, I guess I'm not a beginner.

But I can't really construct anything close to that from imagination. I'm still learning the basics of construction, perspective, and all that.

Here's my drawing from imagination. Look at that face! That's why I'm here.

But that portrait isn't helping me improve much, anon. These guys are right, I should be studying more and properly.

>>2897861
dat trunk portrait. nice documentary. problem is im this is my first real time working with lots of greens too. maybe it was a bit much to try to get details that are that are back in the scene

>>2897863
im gonna cut it out then. ill just do a literal foliage study in another one and save what i have while it still looks good while fixing what you pointed out.

thanks for the tips

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>>2897875
same here anon, i cant draw faces really that well unless i spend 10+ minutes on one face, meanwhile drawing bodies take roughly 1min

>>2897873
because youre biased

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I'm in love

>>2897890
dafuq that arm

>>2897891
I know it's shitty

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>>2897890
fixed your drawing anon,
dont mind my shitty skills

>>2897879
yup, faces are hard. that's why I'm still on that loomis grind.

nice dude sketches

>>2897893
i think it looks cute :)

>>2897897
thanks, to be honest, i dont think really loomis works, drawing directly from references helps so much more, because you dont really have the "time" to do constant 3D shapes of faces/noses/mouths etc.
I've been only drawing for like 1-2 weeks now and I can alrdy draw faces(without much detail but still looks good) in less than a minute in frontal position, anything beyond that, be it 3/4 faces or in any other position, is extremely hard i do get a slight feel about how head shapes are suppose to be now, thanks to drawing from references but pasting a face on them is still hard
I think practicing faces in as much positions/perspectives is really key to getting the hang of it

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>Tfw filled up an entire sketchbook but barely progressed from the first to last page

>>2897907
post your work anon, ill try my best to give advice on what you should be practicing instead

>>2897907
Progress is still progress

>>2897907
Dood boxes lmao

I honestly doubt you didn't improve at all that's pretty much impossible.

>>2897911
careful with saying that anon! you'll turn into one of the 99% of deviantart if you aren't creating consistent progress

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>all this practice and im still shit

>>2897921
But you may not be shit anymore one day had you not practice you would be shit forever

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>>2897921
its ok anon, i still love you no matter what **cyberhug**

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>>2897924
9yrs of practice
i still draw like pic related

>>2897928
You must have deviantart-itis.
I'm sorry.

>>2897928
How many studies have you done?

In your life?

>>2897934
alot, from anatomy to perspective but they are always very confusing and hard. i can never replicate them

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>>2897936
I can't tell if you're just pretending or not

lines shaky as fuck after getting back from gym
how to fix this?

>>2897928
Okay
Not gonna lie
Even by the standards of shitty anime, this is still shit.

Maybe you got some weird brain problems that stop you from drawing like normal people.

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>>2897939
Stop working out. It doesn't bring you pussy, believe me

>>2897939
Just rest you nigger

>>2897941
desu if that dude got a professional haircut, lost the acne, stopped pulling that retarded facial expression, lost the glasses he would probably do fine

>>2897947
he only needs a nosejob, which is like 100$ in south-korea
would look 8/10+

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cream get the Money

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No idea why the f my phone will refuse to send the pic properly rotated, sorry about that.

Anyway, tried a couple faces from imagination. Took about 10 minutes or so each.
Any critique is greatly appreciated

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Please bully me. I have no idea how to draw lips or noses.

>>2897993
why have a shotgun when she already has a flamethrower

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This time I draw them facing to the side.

>>2897867
I'm a beginner and I can draw like that. Why are people so impressed by lame unoriginal photocopied portraits desu?

>>2897928
whats your blog

>>2897941
>implying ugly face+ugly body is better than good body+ugly face

>>2898002
its good, really captured her likeness unlike this clown >>2897805

>>2898008
you need to be permabanned

Is drawing the asaro head a good way to learn faces?

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>>2898004
It's supposed to be a reimagining of lina from dota 2. one of her spells is a lightning bolt that does nothing but do massive damage and i'm imagining the shotgun shells blue or something to represent it

>>2898021
Please bully me harder.

>>2898008
another cute drawing!!! was waiting for you to post anon <3

>>2898008
pls stop this crap

>>2898026
it's useful for getting a grasp on the planes of the face, but you should consult other sources too and reference from real life. i'd recommend the reilly method for learning the rhythms of the head if you wanna draw more than just the one generic white dude.

>>2897928
Cute. Better than me. Mind explaining your process?

I'm using a lot of paper when I'm doing gestures. Any way to save sketchbook space?

>>2898008
I'll give you credit on being able to draw pleasant looking clothes which is a big weakness of mine but everything else in your drawings needs work.

Just looking from top to bottom I see large detail-less blobs instead of ears, your faces have beaks instead of mouths, your hands look like a batch of bananas, your shading makes no sense and is inconsistent as hell and the feet almost look copy pasted showing that you have some problems with symbol drawing too.

Probably a ton of other things too but that's all that shows up to my unexperienced eye

>>2898093
computer paper. or you can use a pen on your moms ass but post pics if you opt for the latter

>>2898093
Save up for a cheap tablet or if you're really that poor you could consider buying a small whiteboard and pen.

>>2898093
Just buy a sketchbook from the dollar store.

>sketch out body
>get to head
>head's too small to add details with my caveman delicacy
>curl up and cry
>repeat 50 times

And that's the story as to why my faces are shit while my anatomy is good.

Can anyone recommend a good pen case? I found that I really like drawing with Faber castell pen but they're kind of thick and wont fit in a pencil case. I can't find any good options on Amazon that lets you store them in a structured and easy to use manner.

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trying to make more practical use of lighting, pic related took like less than 10minutes. gonna do a different drawing later and make it more finished with ""i hope"" better contrast than pic related, if anyone has a good guide for this, it would be very appreciated

>>2898106
Use the whole value range obviously

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>>2898106
Dude, like, seriously. Fix your fucking display settings.

>>2898111
I thought he was trying to be edgy and deep

its supose to be dark anon

>>2898118
Well, if nobody can see shit, then why even bother posting it? I only see something like a creepy SCP kinda thing in the original picture.

>>2898118
not that anon but it's pretty bad. you aren't using the whole range of values and stayed in the darker values so the common person can barely see it. Things can still be dark but you need to understand that you can't just fucking put dark on dark.

>>2898082
Thanks, been reading up on the Reilly method, do you know any good books or videos that cover the subject?

>>2898104

Draw bigger. Draw just faces. Draw busts from navel or nipple up to make sure you keep proportions consistent.

>>2898123
>>2898125
okay ill try using more contrast

>>2897998
any1? Do you think the placement of the elements is off?

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Her eyes look totally different. And I don't think I've captured the expression on her face very well, but I can't tell why. Could anyone help?

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Finished my uh "commission."

>>2898141
>posting this in /beg/
wow, i'm fucking garbage

>>2898135
The girl is ugly and the gent is charismatic, but some of the proportions are off indeed. That's because their noses are too short. The girl is ugly because of her nose and mouth being too big. If you make them narrower, elongate the nose, and make the opposite ends of the eyes consistent, it might actually work. For the boisterous-looking lad, elongate the nose and correspondingly move his mouth downwards. Either that, or shorten his chin.

>>2898139
Symbol drawing, dude. That's why.

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could i get work with this and if so, how?

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>>2898139
Read this

>>2898159
Get yourself noticed and hope someone likes your stuff

>>2898159
>do fan art and clickbaiting stuff to get attention
>rub elbows with popular artists

>>2898159
Maybe at a shitty wannabe indie "game" company looking for game cards.
Ditch the ugly textures and bullshit brushes. Keep practicing painting with the basic hard and soft edge brushes. Keep practicing drawing because the drawing underneath the painting drags the whole thing down. Start over with studying. Drop the colors, drop the textures. Do some greyscale form studies and then re-do this whole thing. Your family and friends probably aren't telling you this but it's shit. Call me an asshole but I just want to help you because I see potential.

>>2898159

The clothing is quite nice, but I think the head/neck and arms are off. The jawline and nose/lips especially.

>>2898159
How do I get as good as you?

>>2898139
Eyes are too open

>>2898184
That's some pro rendering.

>>2898139
The most important difference is that you drew the head too wide. Compare the distance between the eyes and the hair. Then you drew the eyebrows to fill the space, instead of copying the ones your model had. Fix that, and the expression would probably be a fairly close match. The individual features are a bit off, but not grossly off, and what matters more for readable expressions is their relative positioning which you got pretty much right.

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>finished studying my book on perspective after like 2 months
>no idea what to do with my life now

>>2898223
learn french

>>2898223
Draw cute stuff for me anon

>>2898155
>>2898160
>>2898177
>>2898218

Thank you, this has been really helpful! I'll be sure to work on my symbol drawing.

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>>2898223
Now start drawing gestures and don't come back until you have done 1,000 of them keeping in mind about fluidity and movement; apply basic forms and wrapping lines with the perspective you learned as you go.

>>2898151
Thanks friend. I tried to apply a bit of that "playing with elements/proportions" to try and make interesting characters. Probably was too hasty, i need way better anatomy knowledge to start experimenting with forms.

I'll try to apply those changes you suggested and see the results

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Had some more free time and tried to fix her arm and hair, but I didn't quite understand what did these anons imply. I think the hair should ideally look like the big patch on the side, closer to the front, but with some additional lights. And does the arm look okay now? It doesn't bug me anymore, but I suppose a pair of more experienced eyes is necessary.

(The previous version: >>2896095)

>>2898265

You don't draw every individual strand of hair, friend.

>>2898269
its stylized and more unique than your average weebshit moeblob

>>2898265
Please don't draw each strand of hair. You made her look like a spaghetti monster or a playdough head toy

>>2898265
ok i really have to ask what's up with the huge animu face she's hugging

is it like a dakimakura or what

it's eeriee as fuck

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>>2898269
>>2898282
B-but muh realism... Photoshop-sensei said that's how it ought to be... A-and this picture, t-too...
Well, does that big patch of hair (where the locks are properly defined) look right if you look at it from some distance? And which parts of her hair look relatively worse and better? I wanted to draw fluffy, wavy bed hair randomly scattered on the pillow and her face and neck. The nape part looks alright, I suppose?

>>2898293
It's a yukkuri. A jelly-like living meat bun. They can talk to some degree and they move by jumping or sliding. An edible living pillow, if you want.

>>2898241
i was told gesture is a meme and not worth doing

>>2898301
1) you're showing the skull. If you can see the outline of your skull through your hair, you're either dying or have bad genes

2) The hairs are too thick. I don't think I've ever seen individual hairs that thick irl

3)The artist you pulled as an example drew the hair in bunches (and also used a different brush? idk I'm a traditional basic bitch). Hair doesn't separate from itself that easily unless it's static'd up.

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>>2898314
1) Oh, I see. I thought it was a neat idea to lightly denote the outlines of her skull with a darker tone, suggesting thickness and hair falling down freely.
2) Which ones are too thick?
3) Well, probably I should read the tutorials again. The example is from Poser, by the way. It is not drawn with a brush, it is modelled.

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>>2898301
>yukkuri
i'm getting flashbacks

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>>2897658

>>2898330
please tell me how you thought thick hair = shows the skull

>>2898338
Imagine a set of straight parallel lines with little space behind them, with the soft light illuminating their full length. Now, imagine those same lines suddenly being squeezed together and going away from the viewer, with strands that are closer to the light source obscuring those behind them. I think that's kinda how my logic went.

>>2898336
Hush now, anon. Don't cry. It's okay. It's okay. This thread... has already been hijacked.

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>>2898330
the 3d modeled hair there is just cheaply modeled to be more efficient on the computer.
i remember when incredibles came out everyone was raving abou the state of art special effects used to render each of violet's individual hairs.

>>2898346
...are you just surrounded by bald people?

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>>2897658
It seems like I`m getting progress. I want to believe! =_=

>>2898350
Well, given that I'm a freelancer who prefers solitude and his head shaved clean, you could say that. And when I go outside, I usually encounter hats, caps, and hoods instead of hair.

>>2898355
okay no, you need to do that shit upside down because almost everything is off

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I wanna draw animals. Do i have any chances? What should i practice?

>>2898360
Yep. I`ve just saw it on preview. That awful. =_=

But! This exercise is about colorize.

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>>2898368
ref btw

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>>2896956
Every day I'll try and draw

>>2898374
I really like this. What books are you using?

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Need some help with the overall structure here. Trying to use loomis' "ideal male proportions" model, but I feel like I fucked up

>>2898380
Fucking christ it keeps gettig flipped

>>2898377
At the moment: I'm not actually using any books. I'm just practicing constructing heads out of internalised planes until I can create a convincing one from each angle

>>2898374
>> starifying
Wow. I've no idea what sort of weird experiment was that supposed to be, but please do continue this awesomity.

>>2898368
The art of animal drawing by Ken Hultgren is a good book for you.
I'd start with studying the basic forms of animals, it is roughly the same for all mammals, if I remember correctly, the book goes into it, or at least discusses basic feline, equine, bear, etc. anatomy.
Based on the drawing I think you need to familiarise yourself with animal anatomy, simple skeleton, major masses, etc.

If you get the chance, bring a sketch book next time you visit a zoo, seeign animals from all kinds of angles in real life is a great study.

>>2898337
is charcoal really just superior to the pencil in terms of rendering? Everything looks so smooth, when I render in pencil it just looks like a scribbled mess and I don't even want to bother

>>2898126
just search reilly method on youtube, the first one that comes up is pretty good.

>>2898393
Nah i wouldn't say either is superior than the other, considering there's many different kinds of charcoal and graphite )9B-HB-9H condensed/vine, ect). Also a toothy paper vs a smooth one can be a factor. I used gray toned sketch paper, 2b mechanical pencil, 6b soft charcoal, and white dry pastel pencil.

Ultimately it's just what you practice with the most, what you feel most comfortable with. I want to improve my skills with charcoal and coloring on toned papers, using white for the higher values. I love the look and it's been an improvement on my painting process as a whole.

What kind of pencils and paper do you use? A cheap pencil on newsprint is gonna look like shit.. even with a good amount of skill.

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Ravioli ravioli I don't know how to use brushesoli.

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>>2898412

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>>2897657
How to fuck muh shit up better?

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>>2898412
this help?

>>2897928
Consider getting yourself a professional teacher or tutor. That or buy some drawing books.

https://www.youtube.com/user/SaMProductionsKZ/videos
Are any of these books worth getting? I just came across this channel and there is a fuck ton of 'art books' on it and I don't know which one will actually be of help.

>>2898425
That block in is already amazing.

>>2898425
not him, but every time I see this it really just feels like "draw the rest of the fucking owl"

like, I understand the process now, I still don't know how to do it

>>2898439
It's simple but time consuming. You know those things called pixels? You have to make sure every pixel around is a value less or more. This way you create a scale of sorts across the object, you're rendering.

>>2898425
YES thank you so much. I use Krita and I feel like I've been monkey fucking the brushes ever since I've had it, I just use it for sketching.

>>2898473
How long did this take you and how many times did you have to erase your lines?

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Hey anons, I have to study the bones a lot before draw muscles or is it better to understand just simplified bones and study the muscles? Or I just anderstand how they work and go with construction with shapes?

I'm really confused about the importance of the study of the bones.

>>2898484
What holds the muscles? The skeleton. What gives form to the human body? Muscles and bone. If you don't know these parts, you'll always be left wondering what's in that area. It's not always air!

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i made my first animation ever! it took like 40 minutes and i'd never used the program before so it could have been worse. i'm still proud though.

>>2898484
Most bones you can get away with a very simplified way of thinking/drawing it. The exceptions would be the skull and the pelvis which require a bit deeper understanding. But for many things like the vertebrae there is no point in learning it since it's irrelevant to surface forms.

>>2898478
>how many times did you have to erase your lines?
Not him but how does this fucking matter? Are you just looking for one more way to feel superior, holy shit

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>>2898360
throwback 2 that time i drew upside down and it was absolutely terrible

>>2898478
10 min approximately
I started with lose stick figure (and still mess up proportions) and when I added bones, muscles, etc

>tfw drawing boxes for 2 years and still here

>>2898380
Your 7th head is larger than the 8th. Did you measure first before drawing?

Make a 8 head grid then try to draw your figure in it.

>>2898506
You must be a pro at boxes now right? Post some of your work. A whole year is like a few thousand boxes probably. Maybe even ten thousands. So two is double that.

>>2897902
Hey that's pretty good for only 1-2weeks of drawing.

Yeah, I think you're right. Drawing from reference definitely helps more. But Loomis is there for technical guidelines, like proportions, shapes, and perspective. The drawback to references though is that you can get tempted to trying to over-render them and end up copying like I did instead of studying it.

>>2898486
that's pretty cool man.

>>2898355
Not sure if that's what you were going for but the head perspective is not the same. The top of the head is turning away from the camera. The reference is leveled. I think you can get the angle easily by just measuring the angle between the eyes. It's basically horizontal.

>>2898521
thank you!! i know it's pretty shit but for the first time in a while i'm actually inspired to do more and get better.

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>>2898484

>>2898548
woow soo good woow, fuck off.

>>2898554
>woow soo good woow
Thank you!

>>2898548
Genuinely laughed and I enjoyed the linework. Blog?

>>2898554
shut the fuck up faggot.

>>2898554
Can you taste the stick that far up your ass?

>>2898548
beginner tier

>>2898568
can you taste this dick that far up your throat?

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>>2898573
>implying i'm not ronry and can even get the kind of affection that even a cheap whore can get

>>2898573
Did you even think about that before you wrote that? how do you go up your throat? don't you go down? and of course he would taste it, it's in his fucking mouth

If you're gonna shitpost and insult people at least be clever about it, not fucking retarded

>>2898577
I guess it could work if you took with your head upside down so it's going "up"

>>2898566
>>2898568
Don't feed to the trolls. Seriously, don't reply to them, or the next 50 posts will be shitposting.

>>2898582
but i love shitposting

a portion of my art is shitposting since i realized i can draw whatever i wanted

>>2898577
youre being so fucking obvious its actually pretty funny mrs one way street.

>>2898548
fuck you

>>2898586
actually, that's not the anon that you insulted. I am and I did
>>2898576
>>2898580

>>2898590
???? where all the same person here?

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Is my tribute to using a good

>>2898597
To idubbz. Sorry on phone

Is it better to do multiple sketches of a single subject and work towards a single finished piece, while practicing and correcting perspective/anatomical mistakes? Or should I just quit and try a new scene/new characters/etc whenever my sketch looks wrong?

I'm trying to improve my perspective but I don't know if I'm wasting my time by redoing the same sketch til it's decent and ready to be digitally drawn and rendered. I do perspective studies separately from this.

>>2898597
His mouth is way too low on his jaw.

>>2898601
Do what you feel is right.

>>2898586
learn how to fucking spell before trying to talk back to me, underage.

Oh man, can't wait for my new sketchbook and copic markers to arrive. Sucks that my area doesn't have any interesting musems to visit, I guess I'll just go outdoor exploring for cool stuff to sketch

>>2898548
Very good anon, I hope I can draw like you soon :)

>>2898626
You could just use refs construction anon
Ain't nothing wrong with them

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How do you maintain a consistent quality of work?

I go about 20-30 minutes before I start to not care about the small details and start taking shortcuts and eventually I end up with rough sketch that looks bad overall despite my best intentions to make it good

Oddly I can start another sketch right away and still maintain that 20-30 minutes of good willpower before I break down again

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Can someone tell me if the anatomy is incorrect perhaps a red-line ? Please excuse the chicken scratch.

>>2898641
I have the same problem, I think it might be the fact that I never finish drawings that I just don't know how to at this point.

>>2898642
>Please excuse the chicken scratch.
Why?
Why don't you fix this first?

>>2898548
I don't understand why people are buttmad, I genuinely like this and had a good laugh keep doing you anon.

>>2898641
Dude. Learn how to use perspective lines. That shit is fucked. Two point perspective is extremely easy to learn, and doesn't require much technical skill.

>>2898641
>>2898647
>fell for the only spend an hour sketching meme and now don't know how to finish
Not gonna make it ever. Glad you fucks will serve as prime examples.

>>2898658
They're not. It's just a single troll trying to start something. Notice how all the troll posts are written in the same style, with no caps.
He's been doing this for several years, and the mods don't seem to care.

>>2898656
if thats what it takes to get a red line,Iam on it then.

I just hoped Someone could spot errors that I missed because Ive been staring at this too long.

>>2898641
>I go about 20-30 minutes before I start to not care about the small details and start taking shortcuts and eventually I end up with rough sketch that looks bad overall despite my best intentions to make it good

It's a beginner's hurdle that you learn to get over. Drawing is a very meticulous process. Pro artists make it look quick and easy because of their mastery, but that's after years of deliberate and precise practice.

You'll have to learn how to extend that concentration on your work for hours. Set a goal for yourself to draw something simple like an apple or a bowl of fruit. Don't make it complicated. Your main goal should be to finish it, fully rendered.

If you can finish that and have it look nice and polished even if it takes hours, you'll understand the feeling of completing a drawing with your full attention.

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>>2897649
I am extremely frustrated with drawing with pen and suck so fucking bad. I am trying to only work in Pen because I pet my lines for everything I do. This is imagination practice and I still feel like I have to pet in lines to find the right one because when I ghost a line it's not enough. Should I just stop using pen and just use pencils.
Tl;dr : I have shit lines and shit drawings as a result of not being able to get the right line.

>>2898693
>I am extremely frustrated with drawing with pen
That's the point.

>suck so fucking bad
We've all been there.

>I am trying to only work in Pen because I pet my lines for everything I do.
Okay, just remember you set this rule on yourself and not anyone else.

>This is imagination practice and I still feel like I have to pet in lines to find the right one because when I ghost a line it's not enough
That's alright, just draw it again.

>Should I just stop using pen and just use pencils.
Do whatever you want. Use both.

>Tl;dr : I have shit lines and shit drawings as a result of not being able to get the right line.
Then draw a lot and do all the shit lines possible so you are left with only good lines to do. Thomas Edison shit. "I Have Not Failed. I Have Just Found 10,000 Things That Do Not Work."

>>2898705
Thank you man, needed this

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>>2897657
I think messed up the proportions a bit, but here it goes

>>2898732
Cute, you do any imagination work?

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>>2897661
This is hard.

>>2898642
Try bending your left arm like that, man. Try really hard, please. Her face is very poorly done, she has no shoulders and no distinct anatomy like that nude Remilia pic (that was fapable at least), the chicken scratch can't be excused when you go digital, and the position of that violin is dubious.

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I hurt my dominant arm by drawing too much, so I'm practicing with my left hand. Feels gimp but the challenge of it is fun

>>2898805
>I hurt my dominant arm by drawing too much, so I'm practicing with my left hand.
Get ready to be drawing with your mouth soon.

>>2898693
It looks like you're trying to draw too fast which is why your lines are so erratic. Try to slow it down and make deliberate lines. Even ghosting can turn into a bad habit when it becomes twitchy from trying to draw too fast.

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Rank amateur here. I've been drawing for a long time, but I just recently began studying it formally. Tear me apart please.

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How do you avoid symbol drawing eyes when the model has very obvious mascara?
I have a copy of Loomis' Drawing the Head and Hands. Should I just keep drawing the eyes, eyelashes, eyeballs, from every angle possible?

>>2898845
Obviously, that's what values are for, anon. You aren't restricted to just lines.

>>2898845
For now just observe the shapes carefully and draw things exactly as you see them. You are still making major proportion and shape errors in everything in that image, so don't yet worry about interpreting small details like the eyes.

>>2898845
Is that Michael Jackson's son Blanket?

>>2898840
Your anatomy and shading (it's a great example of pillow shading) are really fucked up. Her facial elements and orifices aren't where they belong, the dude with the dick and the dude holding her ass can't be the same human male, and her ass is flat despite your trying to make it look round.

>>2898840
the distance between an anus and a vagina is very small actualy, the first thing i noticed is how far apart you drew them
>>>/s/17356385

>>2898852
It's a model, Natalia Castellar.

>>2898847
Is it too early to buy those fancy graphite sketching pencils? I was hoping I could skate by with my mechanical pencils I use for writing.

>>2898850
Noted. When drawing from a photo, should I buy using construction lines?

>>2898865
>Is it too early to buy those fancy graphite sketching pencils?
Those things are like only a dollar. Surely, you aren't a poorfag, are you?

>>2898870
I'm just a poor student. But I'll see if I can pick them up cheaply somewhere soon.

>>2898874
If you really are that poor, maybe you can ask a friend for their pencils.

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>>2898807
why tho?

>>2898018
>being a gymcel
Might as well off yourself

>>2898265
HE WILL NEVER EVER STOP
HE WILL NEVER EVER IMPROVE
HE WILL TURN INTO A MEME ONE DAY
THIS ABSOLUTE MADMAN

>>2898265
Wow, how did you get so much better at rendering skin so quick?

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How do I stop being scared to draw? This was the last thing I drew.

>>2898967
Know that even if you mess up, you can always redraw it. Now get drawing.

>>2898496
First one looks like Chris(tine)-chan.

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does drawing help with adobe illustrator or do vectors and drawings not really go together

also, what can I do to make pic related better?

>>2899005
the cheek on the left side is pinched too much

>>2899005
add some more rhythm lines

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New to drawing and curious, drawing "people" doesn't really interest me much I guess, I really just want to draw landscape stuff and "objects" I guess

Is there something I need to learn from experiencing drawing people that is important fundamentally to being good at drawing?

pic related, tried recommended loomis book and picked up a 30 dollar drawing tablet, its tiny and my hand cramps up pretty often using it because its so small but it works for now

probably gonna pickup some good pencils and a sketchbook later, I think that would be easier on my hand for relaxing and drawing stuff

>>2899037
Yeah you need to learn perspective
Check out Perspective is Easy and How To Draw by Scott Robertson

>>2898903
>>2898906
Might as well answer both posts with one compilation (4000x4000 image, weighs 5.5 mb):
http://imgur.com/a/CaIgV

All of the images were drawn and painted by me from scratch. The zero point is when I suddenly decided that I want to draw. The third one is obviously a traced photo. The fourth picture would make your eyes explode instantly, so I tried to be considerate. 3.1 and 3.7 are numbered this way because I forgot about that crap. I got a tablet between No.12 and No.13 (12th picture is not included because I only applied some basic colors roughly). The 6th, 8th, 11th, and 12th weren't finished. I didn't apply any serious effort to the 19th, 20th, and 21th. I also colored about ten different pictures in total, not included in this compilation. Only three or so of them required manual shading. And that makes pretty much all of my rendering attempts from the zero point.

Now, I'd like you to tell me again whether I will never learn and/or improve and whether I learn rendering and proper anatomy quickly enough.

>>2899055
>> I didn't apply any serious effort to the 19th, 20th, and 21th
No, let me add numbers 15 and 22 to that list as well.

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posting WIP since I have to go to sleep

>>2899061
Oh god you're the one that drew that monstrous Cirno.

If you're serious, I don't see any real improvement in this pic. What's the time frame of this?

>>2899074
Oh right, the time formats are so different across the world, aren't they... Third of January is the point zero.

And if you're serious about don't seeing any improvement, well then... a visit to an eye doctor would be mandatory for you.

>>2898732
what program did you use? i like this. a lot. also do you have a blog.

>>2899070
he's not going to see any improvement until he drops anime, stops drawing what he wants to draw and does the studying that he needs to

he never really struck me as the type to do that so he's probably going to stay at that level for another 4-5 years (pretty sure id rather fucking kill myself if i wasted that much time)

hopefully he opens his eyes soon, seems like a decent chum and i'd love to see him make it some day

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imma GIT GUD like Hado canclap

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>>2899109

This person is strange. Seems like they have the skill to do things besides these SD characters (which tend to be the worst part of the drawing), but never do?

how do you measure an arm's length when it's bent?

>>2899149
Well, you know how there's this thing called angles? You use that and the length of the arm and then calculate how much of the arm is showing at that certain angle by also referencing the perspective.

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Doodled a fish dude, any advice on making him look not shit? I kinda feel like working on it a bit more.

>>2899153
>this thing called angles?
I wasn't taught that. I also can't divide without a calculator

>>2899156
Looks neat, what's his purpose/function? It seems quite unfortunate on a humanoid character to have his head placed like that (I know that's how fishes are). I can't exactly make out what his arms are supposed to be or what it's in aside from some sort of drapery or cape.

>>2899157
Then you have to learn it. Go pick up a math book from /sci/ and don't come back until you know your angles.

>>2899160
Hey, thanks! I didn't really think about the function too much even though I probably should have, maybe some sort of scientific creation gone wrong? The head is supposed to look kinda out of place just to make the character look goofy, I also tried to indicate little stitch marks by the neck to show why he had the weird head but idk if I made that clear enough. Also the right arm is just some random techy robo-arm since I couldn't figure out what to do with it and the other arm is obscured by drapery.

>>2899161
MOTHAFUCKIN MUTT, YOU YOU. PIECE OF SHIT. NOW I GOTTA DO MATH TO DRAW? I DIDNT EVEN TAKE GEOMETRY YA BASTARD YA FUCKING PRICK YA.

>>2899178
>doesn't even know geometry
Not gonna make it.

Unless you prefer the second method. Would you like to hear it? It's much harder, but at least you won't have to learn math. Are you willing to take the challenge?

>>2899179
Life has KEKED ME FOR THE LAST TIME and to make up for it I'll be committing suicide for my incompetence of finishing school. But before I do I want to hear the second method of drawing without using math.

>>2899202
>>2899149
it gets shorter

>>2899202
Okay, listen carefully.

Alright, you ready?

You have to draw every single pose ever thousands of times until you know every single possible thing about the human figure. At that point, there's no way you won't know how an arm bends.

Get those references revved up, it's gonna be a long ride, but you'll have learned a lot. You're going to be drawing every single one countless amount of times until you internalize this.

>>2899211
that actually sounds better than learning angles

>>2899219
Different methods work for different people, what can I say?

>>2899222
nice trips but check my 3

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from imagination. feedback appreciated

>>2899240
looks good anon, think its time to get out of your comfort zone though and draw different poses

is there some kind of recommended "what to study for each day of the week" thing for beginners?

>>2899317
No, why would there be such a thing? Beginners aren't able to follow a schedule. They hardly know how to draw in the first place.

>>2899286
thanks anon, will do

>>2899321
so then how do I start?

>>2899317
no but there should be. i've been saying for ages, the sticky is a shambles.
>>2899325
drawabox and keys to drawing

>>2899325
How do you want to start? What do you want to do?

>>2899329
I want to eventually draw or paint people. Probably portraits first, then full people.. but this is after I figure out what the basics are first.

I understand I will have to draw boxes and learn perspective and junk but I don't know at what point certain things come in and if there's at least a recommended general order to them.

>>2899335
There's no order at all, you can do whatever you want. Seriously. It's recommended to learn perspective in the beginning because it applies to everything else, but it's also one of the driest subjects to learn.

If you want to draw and paint people, then Keys to Drawing would help you draw what you see then Loomis's Head and Hands after that. Portraits take a long time to perfect, so I don't know long you'll be on that stage.

>>2899340
What should I do if I start to get overwhelmed and frustrated?

How will I know which mistakes I need to work on first to get more noticeable results?

>>2899335
everyone can fucking draw portraits after a week of practice, you should put your goals a bit further than that anon

>>2899347
I don't think that's true at all.

>>2899345
I honestly could not tell you, anon. It's inevitable to get overwhelmed and frustrated and you're the only person who knows how to get yourself out of that situation. No advice in the world will help you, you can only help yourself at that point.

You'll know. Because you'll make a ton of mistakes, it's hard to notice them. Aiming for perfection may help, it's what I was super anal about even when other people didn't think it was worth it.

>>2899348
NGMI

>>2899356
Thats a good album.

>>2899348
Look up a artist you admire, save up as much of content of them that you like, every single drawing you like, look at it and study it, try to understand why they can draw like that, you have to really understand the shapes and details of the drawings. Once you understand that, you can see that they're drawings really aren't that amazing and that that goal isn't that far out of reach if you put the effort in it.
Don't be lazy and tell yourself you are less than them and that you'll be contempt with mediocre portraits literally anyone can draw. Check blogs on deviantart for example, the people that post ONLY portraits can literally only draw them because they have not really "learned" the skill of drawing, they can only copy shit, put a little bit of shadow on the drawing and thats it. Give yourself high goals and you'll see yourself improve extremely fast

>>2899362
Also an addition to this, read the sticky. There is literally a goldmine of information which will help with your practice tremendously

>>2899240
distance from bottom of nose to chin is a bit too short

>>2898093
don't use sketchbooks

make or buy a drawing pad or a clipboard

>>2899395
How do you make a drawing pad? Just staple a bunch of papers together?

>>2899396
lol

>>2899409
Bruh, I have no idea what I'm doing. There's a reason why I'm in /beg/. I'm sofa king retarded here.

>>2899370
aye, thanks for pointing it out. Maybe her nose is too long and taking up space to the chin.

>beat symbol drawing months ago
>successfully grind figures for ages, eventually move on. no symbols anywhere.
>start grinding loomis heads
>make slow progress
>decide to draw some from reference
>being completely honest with myself, its just one big symbol
i have no idea why, i though i beat this ages ago. is it the case that you have to learn it again for each thing you practice? im pretty torn up, i thought i was improving

>>2899439
Yup, you will always think you beat it ages ago and then it comes back every single damn time. Always have to relearn stuff. Always. It's annoying, but it's how we do stuff.

>>2899441
so its normal to have to relearn it?

>>2899444
Yeah. Good luck and have fun.

second opinion on this >>2899441>>2899446 anyone?

>>2899240
I mean it's an imagination drawing, but judging by the way you drew her hair, the top of her forehead to eyebrows to the bottom of the nose are both equal length. I'd say it's the chin.

>>2899464
meant for >>2899431

>>2899461
look man, there's no sense in beating yourself up over it. Nobody's perfect, it's natural to regress every now and then

At the very least, you're aware of what symbol drawing is, how to avoid it, and you were even able to recognize it in your own work. That means you've already got a leg up on a majority of beginners. Just keep measuring to the best of your ability and you'll be fine

where can I go to get pictures of people to practice drawing?

I just went on tumblr and searched selfie and got a bunch of dicks in my face

>>2899480
line of action
quickpose
skecthdaily
just google "drawing reference (bodypart)"

>>2899482
thanks

Brand new here. I'm trying to set up some schedule stuff so I can fit it into my week. It would be great if I could get some guidance on a few things.

Is there an ideal length for a practice session?

Is there a minimum length that sessions should be or am I fine splitting it up as long as I put the same amount of time in?

What would, would you say, is the minimum amount of time one should invest in drawing a week if they want to improve? I'm aware it's a 'you get out what you put in' sort of deal but I don't know how/when to be precious with my drawing time.

I don't imagine there is but: Is there such a thing as a maximum time?

>>2899513
>>2899513
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>>2899513
>>2899513
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>>2899513
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>>2899525
no rules

only tools

try to crank it back on the overthinking because you're gonna end up thinking about drawing rather than drawing

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Help I dont know what to do!

hey /beg/

can someone tell me what symbol drawing is, maybe post an example?