/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

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>>2895823
quickie

>>2895853
why did u make her a man

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>>2895861
better?

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for those wondering why she has a knife, it's because she is Maki Harukawa from Danganronpa v3.

>>2895877
Still a manly chin and a line on the upper lip that looks like she has Godfather-tier moustache. And the line denoting her cheek. Females have rounder cheeks. Replace the line with some round crosshatching.

>>2895887
Please stop posting, stop making us see your shitty drawings, go to DeviantArt or something.

>>2895906
positive mental attitude

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really would like some feedback on the design side of things rather than the technical side

>>2895932
you redrew dota characters? what are you saying you designed?

>>2895925
That kind of retardation doesn't deserve positivity, I'm not even talking about how skilled that anon is, if I saw someone who is extremely shit at drawing but is doing his studies and actually striving for improvements I'd be happy to compliment him and give him positive critique. This retard keeps posting his trash in here for no apparent reason and it's obvious he hasn't even skimmed through the sticky once.

>>2895936
sort of had them more gritty and ground in reality (with attempted historical influences) rather than the valve look they have now

now that i look at it i see it more as a waste of time

At what point should I make the traditional-to-digital transition?

>>2895951
Right now. Hurry up. I ain't waiting.

>>2895932
Wow this is awesome stuff. Wish I were as good as you anon.

>>2895932
Thatcher is that you?

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>>2895888
fair points
i'm not really used to hatching but i want to get good at it so thanks for the pointers

>>2895815
If I always get ignored/complimented in these threads does it mean I'm good enough to move on to the draw/alt threads?

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Never rub another man's rhubarb.

>>2895975
No, once someone asks u "what are you doing in the beginner thread?" u can move on.

>>2895952
a-alright! Im on it!

>>2895978
What are you doing in the beginner thread?

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>>2895996
Nice meme

>>2895978
pretty good for what it is
the hands are bad, even for stylised.
go to /style/ or /draw/ unless you intend to train fundies here

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practicing values, any advice?

>>2896013
shadows dont make any sense

>>2896013
where is the lightsource in your photo? can you mark it, then draw a line toward the direction the light's moving in?

>>2895974
I think the eyebrow is also contributing to this being read as "male". Maybe try to make it thinner and slightly higher up on the brow.

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>>2896013
>>2896015
>>2896017
The piramid is the lightsource? I think

>>2896033
Nvm, they have light on top, it doesn't make sense.

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pls halp

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Welp, time to call it a day. It's no good when you're so exhausted that you have no energy to draw anything, even if you really want to finish the picture on the same day.
Anyway, does her arm look alright to you? I can't help but think that something's off.

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Can anyone tell me why my rendering is so bad?

>>2895742
cute birdy
measure more. imagine a straight vertical line from the back of his head, that would drop down only a small bit onto his wing in the photo, but it goes too deep in the drawing. think in terms of guidelines and landmarks like that.

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>>2896117
I thought my lines at least were decent

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Didn't have any time to do anything with this today and only got one response last thread.
So putting this back on the chopping block.
>>2896117
I don't know shit about shit but maybe you could push value harder.

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>>2896117
Low contrast.

>>2896126
This looks so much better, thank you. Do you mind if I ask how you did this?

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I didn't get around to creating a finished piece today, but I still drew at parts of it. What's more: I'm back into drawing landscapes from life; that makes me feel what I think I should be feeling

>>2896124
Looks good
Finish it

>>2896128
Amazing as always! Hope to see you color one day!

>>2896127
He probably just dropped it in photoshop or whatever and hit the levels tool and beefed up the highlights and shadows to give a starker contrast.

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>>2896095
Study your anatomy

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god fucking damnit when will I stop being shit

>>2896127
I just used the bright/contrast tool in photoshop and increased the saturation a lot, you can do the same effect by pushing the values and increasing the color saturation.

>>2896141
how many hours you put in?

>>2896142
>>2896135
Thank you very much, extremely helpful

>>2896141
You just have to convince yourself you aren't shit. People do it all the time.

>>2896140
That's it! Thanks.

>>2896143
20 hours now of just drawing my hand. Been reading Keys to drawing and right side of the brain. I see no improvement from day 1

>>2896154
>20 hours
lmao
try asking after 1000

How do they already know where to put everything at? Is this a magic trick?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzWBM5Th1uE

>>2896158
No, it's muscle memory.

>>2896158
You'd be surprised how easy it is once you've drawn pretty much the same thing a few hundred times.

>>2896158
>Is this a magic trick?
yes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TXEZ4tP06c
he's just studied the drawing enough by repetition to know where everything goes ahead of time. he's just symbol-drawing the whole thing, but it looks good because, as a cartoonist, and as someone who has drawn pretty much that exact thing before, he knows where everything goes. exactly like the stuff the guy in the video does, but more complex. the ted-x performer intentionally made it simple in terms of steps(one comma symbol for each eye, a bent T for the mouth etc) so that the audience could follow along and gain the confidence to start drawing (albeit they'd just be symbol drawing but it's better and more fun than not drawing), whereas the anime dude makes it really complex just to wow the onlookers (and you).

>>2896167
>tedx

get the fuck out of here

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I'm learning value at the moment. It's a pretty small exercise I did in a few minutes and I'd appreciate your thoughts.

>>2896179
A bad attempt. The location of the source is hard to tell, and the relative locations of the light and shadow near the ball don't make sense.. Even so, the render looks kinda cool, but it's pretty easy to make a good-looking ball digitally.

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doodle guy here, here's an unfinished realistic drawing I started doing with freehand. Looking back at it I had fun and didn't feel like I was in a rut when I usually doodle. Convince me drawing shapes is fun please.

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>>2896194
And here's the ref just in case.

>>2896191
>tfw you suck at making a ball look good
S-shut up

>>2896194
>2mb huge resolution of chicken scratch garbage
kill yourself, no one's going to bother

>>2896208
dammit hado why do you keep mocking me

>>2896194
resize your images

read the sticky

>>2896191
Thanks, anon. I'll keep at it

>>2896050
/ic/ pls

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>>2895823
something feels off. not sure what i messed up

fucking hado bastard, her and her birthday.

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Am I using too small of a brush to block in? I've been told to work big to small but I don't know the threshold.

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WHY CANT I IMPROVE

>>2896252
Post your work
I'll post mine too

>>2895980
I kinda got called out for that last thread so I guess I should move on then.

>>2896239
everything a little fuck up....

>>2895975
probably because the work you posted looks like you only spent 5 minutes on it

no one wants to help someone that is lazy

>>2896254
no, its too embarsing
u post ok

>>2896264
It's okay
We all suck
It's not like someone good will hurt you anyways
We're here to help eachother

>>2896265
i just want to get fast at the goal i want to be, which is full accurate 3D realism drawn from imagination without references
but its fukin hord, cant even draw proper bodies or perspective
how do people even lrn drawing

>>2896278
We all want git gud fast
But unfortunately that's not always possible
Nor is it all that fun
It's like cheating in a game
What fun is it just to beat everyone with no problem
This journey of ours is hard but that's what makes it worth going through
Despite the pain and frustration it gives us
Don't give up
I believe you can do it if you keep on trying
I'll keep on trying too
Even though I think it's pointless every single day because I might not reach my goal
I'll keep trying anyways and so should you
It gets lonely however together it's not lonely anymore
I don't know how people learn to draw but I believe it's just every individual person's understanding expressed through onto the paper
Whatever that means

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>>2896239
It helps to think about the 3d construction of the head rather than just copying the outlines. Think about how wide the face is and how that will look in that angle. Think about how the features wrap around the head.

The jaw line on yours is too narrow and doesn't connect to the ear. The ear is too small when it should be more aligned with the eyes. The eyebrow should follow the curve of the forehead.

Lastly, pay attention to the major lines of action. For example, the neck has that sweeping curve. The shoulders also curve around the neck. The collarbones curve in the valley between the shoulders.

Overall it's looking good so far, just a few adjustments and then rendering it out.

>>2896285
that was very inspiritanonal, it made me feel better, ill keep on trying my 4chan friend

>>2896239

I also tried to draw her it's tricky I'd post the drawing but already did drawings over it lel

whats a good book to learn about perspective?

>>2896354
Nsio's on DeviantArt

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>>2896239
>>2896301

>>2896357
looking good man, keep it up

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HeyGuys

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Haven't drawn in ages and never learnt properly, starting from the beginning again. Ordered Keys to Drawing By BERT DODSON > that should be here tomorrow and from there I guess just practice every day and I will be able to do it for longer.

>>2896424
>actually redrawing things over and over to make it better
Gonna make it.

>>2896356
i just went thru all the tutorials, i still have no clue how to properly apply perspective

>>2896429
Then I guess you ain't gonna make it. Just give it up and go back to playing video games and watch anime.

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>>2896434
bad i wah drah pls...

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I can't draw hair to save my life. Trying to force myself to think of it in clumps is hard. I need to grind more of it or something.

This was about 20 mins, HB and 8B pencils.

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I should probably be more patient with measuring but it's so hard ;(

>>2896472
u and m both bby
*crie*

>>2896470
Go slower on the hair, you just kind of scratched it in.
Try to be more deliberate with the whole thing.

>>2896472
Yup, measuring is painstaking now but keep trying and it will get easier and easier. However you don't want to measure haphazardly now and turn it into a bad habit.

>>2896224
spend more time on your drawings then ask again

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>>2895823
How is it?

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What are the best vids to watch to learn Proportions? I'm currently focusing on it since it's my biggest weakness rn.

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Lord help me, what have I done?

>>2896647

Collar bones are wrong and look like she inserted some polish sausage below her skin.

Neck muscle comes up to high and the pose makes no sense because of it. Looks like she's trying to dislocate her own head.

You tilted her head more toward the view plane, when in the reference it's tilted further away. This also lends to the pose not making sense. The head looks more vertical than it should be if she were trying to twist her head and neck away from the viewer.

>>2896675
blog?

>>2895861
KEK
E
K

>>2895877
>>2895853
no its terrible, step away and don't look. at it for awhile if you cant see your mistakes.

>>2895887
>it's because she is Maki Harukawa from Danganronpa v3.
obviously, this is really great.

>>2896194
>Looking back at it I had fun and didn't feel like I was in a rut when I usually doodle.
good, it looks like shit though. Keep practicing and learn from your mistakes.

>>2896357
>hairline goes all the way down her neck

>>2896441
grind it out until you create something that you're satisfied with.

>>2896647
not perfect but out of all the ones posted ITT so far probably the best...

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No landscape today.

>>2896733
that human's proportions are all wrong

>>2896736
Damn it! You're right!

>>2896285
Somehow it reminds me of that famous UBW chant.

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>>2896733
Aside from bad proportions on the human, you need some background landscape to make the scale make sense.

You have one skull near the snake and human that looks vaguely smaller than the human's head, which could make sense since the human is closer to us, but then you have another skull that's closer to the snake's head and is bigger than the other skull. But there is nothing else in the scene to tell us where that other skull is.

This makes no sense and fucks up the sense of scale and proportion for the scene. Is that second skull in the same plane as the first, and just higher up? Is it a giant's skull and in the background?

Always have a point of reference and horizon line to work with when blocking out a scene.

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>>2896796
I'm not making this shit up.
Just practicing.

So my main aim are characters and sceneries. Now I need to choose if studying anatomy first or getting into digital.
For the former with what should I start and how should I go on? For the latter is ctlr+paint enough for a starter?

>>2896821
Google those medical anatomy charts and start with those.

Just drawing at all in digital is enough in the beginning.

>>2896822
Thanks for the reply, anyway isn't there some book to follow so I have a program?

Oh, so for a start is enough just to sketch shit to train my linework? I see anons in this thread rendering their digital pieces but I don't have idea how to do it decently

>>2896834
The sticky has tons of anatomy books you can check out.

Sure. All it takes to render nicely is time and practice.

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Workin on this jester girl someone asked me to do.

>>2896837
I add that it would be a helpful practice to find some well done monochrome (value only) pictures of things you want to draw, and color them meticulously, memorizing how the values are done in the process.

>>2896813
Well then practice using a horizon line.

Looking at your reference and what you drew it's pretty glaring that you're problems are associated with a complete lack of perspective.

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>>2895815
/pol/ack here. Decided to take a look at other boards, saw this thread, and made an OC fresh out of the oven in 5 minutes so don't be too harsh. If requested will post more.

>>2896860
Very good
Post more

>>2896860

>No swastika cutie mark


Wew laddo

>>2896860
get a scanner or put the drawing on a table and take a better, clearer picture. Can't see shit with it all blurry.

Can already tell you're just scratching at the page. Work on line control.

>>2896864
>>2896860

fucking samefag

>>2896859
Thanks, I will look into it.

>>2896870

Shut up, commie

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>>2896864
>>2896866
>>2896870
Here.
Can't scan i'm at the uni right now.
As for line control I just like scratching like that and give a form without really caring about details but more about the impression it gives. I do make clean cut paintings though, will post later when home.

>>2896883
>I just like scratching like that

"It's my style"

Heard that excuse a million times.

>>2896860
>>2896883
>/pol/tard
>shit
>doesn't even resize or take a decent picture
>phoneposter
like pottery

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Do you like my shitty Pepper drawing anons? :D

>>2896888
Don't give a fuck really. I just scratch those to pass time during class, never had any class or something, just good genetics since father was an autodidact painter, he was in the army.
>>2896889
I'm in class. Did pol hurt your feelings poor thing?

>>2896895
>Don't give a fuck really. I just scratch those to pass time during class

If you don't care then why the fuck should we?

>>2896895
>m-muh superior genetics
yeah this is why I hate /pol/tards

>I'm in class
next time wait to be at home and post something in an acceptable state. People here are giving you advice for free, at least make a little effort not posting blurry low-effort turd

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Asked for help last friday. Need help with proportions, structure and figuring out where legs should start. How can I stop my phone from flipping uploaded pics?

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>>2896914

>Anthro

>>2896915
I ain't going to the hellhole that is /trash/ for something just barely furry. I just wanna get the body structure down, not start a shitstorm

>>2896909
>yeah this is why I hate /pol/tards
I'd hate white people to if I was an inferior life form.

>>2896860
looks like shit, keep your drawings in the oven longer.

>>2896883
this is also shit, try posting a completed drawing.

>>2896926
Hi /Pol/!

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>>2896905
>>2896909
>Pol is one person
>They're racist bigits so let's show them tolerance by insulting them
Dude, it's an Internet anonymous board, if you have any free advice give it, if not feel free to insult me once again but don't act like you have some kind of high ground or something, you're not my teacher, you haven't replied with any OC yet and for all I know you could be an underage obese north korean, or I could be one, we're all equals online, that's the thing, even if we aren't IRL . So get off your high horses and give advice, r8 with actual arguments or stay quiet. Thanks.

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>>2896926
> oven
>> nazi
>>> /pol/ack
Kinda subtle.
Probably not intended tho.

>>2896928

Hi /lgbt/!

>>2896928
whats up my dude

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I know it's shit but I'm still a total beginner when it comes to digital. My real question here is, am I doing it right? I want to draw some shit on my tablet to get used to it while at the same time studying some constructive anatomy.
Is this a good method or am I fucking up?

>>2896929
better then the other ones you posted but still not good. You need to practice being not so sketchy,

>>2896929
Maybe next time don't show up waving a massive red flag proudly then proceed to act like you are the center of the universe that must be catered to

>>2896938
>My real question here is, am I doing it right?
No, like wtf where are the tiddies?

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>>2896942
>Maybe next time don't show up waving a massive red flag proudly then proceed to act like you are the center of the universe that must be catered to
except he didn't, he said he was from /pol/ and you began having a temper tantrum...

>>2896943
It's called DFC you cow lover. The next level of flat chest

>>2896938
The legs are ok, but the rest of your construction is entirely wrong. Compare the angles closely.

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Today went worse, probably because of the scale I worked on and the irritated temperament I had
>>2896132
Thank you! You're very kind

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Trying anatomy. How am I going, anons?

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>>2896956
>mfw

Is it worth taking classes at all as somebody who isn't talented and is a beginner?

I took art in highschool to actually learn how to do it but was constantly shat on for not being as good as everyone else while not actually knowing/being told how to fix it. I suppose I just looked like a slacker. Would they all be like that? I really want to avoid that kind of situation but on the other hand I feel like I could benefit from some guidance. I want to improve but constantly not knowing what I'm doing wrong or how to fix it is really getting in the way of things.

>>2896958
try harder

>>2896956
These skulls don't look like they belong to a human...

>>2896914
Anyone? I know it's shit with a shitty picture with questionable body parts but I wanna get better and draw actual regular humans. I'm just god awful at making regular bodies, even worse than what I posted

>>2896929
No perspective
No sense of mass
Chicken scratch
No sense of lighting or values

Go learn some fundamentals and leave the refrigerator drawings for your parents.

When I am focused drawing, my eyes randomly flicker like someone switched off and on the lights mutlple times, very fast. Does this happen to anyone else?

>>2896954
Yeah I messed up hard that torso. Anyway is the method effective? Should I do that or just copy the reference with few construction lines?

>>2896960
Art classes are meant for beginners
All that matters is whether or not you're a hard working student

>>2896963
They're very ayy lmao, but the cylindrical skull was intentional, I swear

>>2896960
Also curious about this

>>2896914
>>2896964
see
>>2896672

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>>2895820
>tfw I turned this beautiful woman into a monstrosity of a man
never gonna make it.

>>2896969
Was it just that highschool ones are shitty then? Because I get the spirit of what you're saying but my experience says otherwise.

What sort of course should I be looking for? Are there any red flags I should keep an eye out for?

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>>2896959
>MFW

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>>2896963
But, does this head look normal at least?

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>>2896942
Didn't know being from another 4chan board was a fucking red flag. Goddamn I just announced I wasnt familiar with ic subculture and memes, how much of a whiny bitch do you have to be to antifa-patrol anonymous vietnamese imageboards ? I'm not even a natsoc, just an ancap interested in politics.
>>2896926
Like this better ?

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>>2896984
>MFW

>>2896986
No.

Still shit. Just in technicolor.

Is there a single good or decent artists in this thread? There are just 58 posters and a lot of drawings from shitters (myself included), so be honest, is someone here somewhat experienced?
I saw a lot of great artists i n drawthreads and sketchbook threads, I hope some of them are also here giving advice

>>2896990
99.9% of the advice that should be given in this thread is simply: "Fundamentals, Loomis, draw more"

Everything else comes about due to bad artists getting huffy about being told their drawings are bad.

>>2896434
i stopped being able to watch cartoons for a while now, and i just recently stopped finding normal video games fun entirely. /ic/ is my home board now and i'm not even any good

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>>2896965
Post yours :^)

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>>2896987
>mfw

>>2896985
No, it seems to have too many brains to be a human. And its form is quite strange.

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Say something mean to me

>>2896998

We got a live one folks.

>>2896962
ok

>>2896984
lol

>>2897006
While the execution is poor you're still attempting to use a thought out approach to construct your drawing and apply perspective instead of randomly trying to just scratch a reference image onto the page.

good effort.

>>2897011
b-but i thought blind drawing was good...

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>>2896989
Rude.
Last one.
(I know not my original idea)

>>2897006
You draw ugly creatures and your phone has shitty quality! You still chicken scratch, and you handwriting is shitty! And, uh, you're a 3D human being that produces disgusting sounds, smells, and things!

Well, the design of your car is bad for a military vehicle. You can only get out of it from the right side, and what if the enemy shoots at it from that direction? The wheels bug me too, but good attempt overall.

>>2897013
If you learn from it.

>>2897011
>>2897018

T-thanks guys.

>>2897006
Car bad for military

Good for Rocket League.

>>2897008
Wot?

>>2897014
I like this one, the jars on the bottom look out of perspective to the rest of the image.

>>2896986
kinda pretty but could use some work. I don't like the the weird stuff in the middle. Could have atleast gave it some form and made it interested by adding some swirls or something. I like how the trees inside and outside the square are different colors though.

>>2896938
the torso is too stiff, use gesture and THEN place forms over that. I personally would not start out entirely with boxes, I find it more helpful to use round objects (the bean), and then block out the planes to make them boxes. It's more flexible for me that way

>>2896980
read the sticky

>>2897080
Thanks this is quite helpful. I totally forgot about gesture, I think it would be a good way to start.

Do you have an example showing the bean-->box process?

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>>2897105
sure, I'm no expert, this is how I would do the torso for a quick approximation

proko has some pretty good videos on it, just search proko the bean or something like that. There's always Vilppu, I fucking love that book

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WHY CANT I DRAW FACES
like srsly, i can draw bodies "fine" but once it comes to faces i literaly have no clue
does anyone have any tutorial for faces or anything liek that using 3D models?

>>2897137
Thanks, that helped me a lot.

>>2897145
Loomis

>>2897145
Read the Sticky.

Loomis Drawing the Head and Hands.

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Is /beg/ fundamentally flawed since it's beginners giving other beginners advice?

/draw/ doesn't want anything to do with us and called this the containment thread. /aasg/ is the same way. I understand that getting a fresh new pair of eyes on a piece of work is helpful but when the majority of it is pointing out obvious observational/measurement errors (that will be fixed naturally over time) it seems more efficient to ditch this and post in one of the discords since it's a more intimate experience.

>>2897154
>>2897156
thanks, ill do that

>>2897161
No, we're just like the old masters. We all work together to improve and look at other greater works as a way to know there's room for improvement.

>>2897161
i dont really think it is, since beginners would help each other by saying waht has worked for them, while """pros""" instantly spout /ic/ memes and rarely help at all without calling your drawing garbage with no advice

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Mechanical perspective is so fucking complicated. I thought normal perspective was bad.

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>>2897161
I think so. Blind leading the blind. Most the answers are memes, muh loomis, etc. Basically the artist's version of "google it".

Thankfully I'm already a pro making billions on Patronize so I don't need any of you.

>>2897170
what is normal perspective?

>>2897152
Now that I recall, if constructive anatomy is your current goal, I would STRONGLY recommend Vilppu Drawing Manual. There's a section or two on construction that not only goes into anatomy, but just creating forms in general to make whatever you can imagine. I know It's been extremely helpful for me

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How does one stop chicken scratching?

I was born left-handed but my grandma beat me until I learned how to use my right so through my life i've had terrible handwriting

>>2897163
nvm, this doesnt work. instead of drawing "cartoonized faces" im now drawing faces straight outta some shoujo manga

>>2897187
Handwriting has nothing to do with drawing, and if you have been using your right hand since childhood you should have proficiency with it. Chicken scratching comes more from lack of knowledge than anything else. You do extra lines when you are unsure or lack the confidence to put down a single line exactly where it is needed. Working digitally though makes linework a lot tougher, so I would stick to pencil or pen for now until you are stronger at drawing.

>>2897179
simple perspective? basic?

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>>2897178
Tried my hand at arab niceguy.
He looked so friendly i couldn't resist.

Sadly, i made him older and creepier. I'm finding it hard to adapt the loomis headbuilding to models.
Any critique is extremely appreciated

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>>2897203
any specific techniques I can use?
Or it just general time and daily practice

>>2897170

What book is this?

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Anyone have some good skeleton reference material. I currently just did pic related and looking for others that are similar.

>>2897209
Draw long lines from the shoulder. Or, maybe, draw every line in this way.

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>>2897220
Looking neat anon. I have a couple.

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>>2897224

>>2897224
You misunderstood. Thats the source material, by van gogh. I just used it as reference lol.

>>2897220
looks ok-ish
the perspective is off and the bones look kind of bad

>>2897235
See >>2897228
Its van gogh but I do agree, the bones especially below the neck look forced together and jumbled up.

>>2897220
why are you in the beginner thread

>>2897220
Was this digital or did you use actual paint?

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>>2897224
>>2897235
>>2897245
>>2897257
Since everyone misunderstood me ill post my actual picture. The one with the cigarette is van gogh. This one is mine. Oil on canvas. I was just posting the first one to show what kind of motif i was looking for. Rate and hate my actual pic tho, could use some help.

>>2897220
i need to know if the theme is for social awareness purposes or it's merely for the cool skelly

>>2897271
Im working on anatomy and human structure. I have several good muscle bodies from /fit/ threads but I need some skellies to practice bone structure.

>>2896013
Nice edges. As said by someone else though shadows need work. Like the cyclinder on the cube should have a shadow on the cone.

>>2897270
Is that one of his earlier works?

>>2897279
1885. It was when he was in Antwerp. The pic you responded to was my painting. Mind doing a quick critique? I know somethings wrong with the teeth but I cant figure out what to do.

>>2897282
I think a cigar would have looked better than a cigarette.

>>2897161
>Is /beg/ fundamentally flawed since it's beginners giving other beginners advice?

Mostly flawed but sometimes okay.

The advice beginners need isn't complicated. The corrections they need are basic. A "pro"s advice is not necessary for most posts. Usually a beginner just a few levels higher knows enough to help out. I think experienced artists here do help out though but rarely, and they tend to cherry pick.

The problem I see all the time is people lashing out unnecessarily at beginners. I see some toxic attitudes here that people have towards anybody who posts a drawing. It seems there's a lot of angry people here who just want to shout at or act smug to anybody they can.

They're not all to blame though since there are a lot of stubborn beginners that come through who either don't bother to follow rules or would rather argue than learn.

If you manage to wade through that though, you can find some decent advice here sometimes.

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>>2897213
how badly you want to know?

>>2895887
>failed for the "its a style" meme
>failed for the "im just going to use airbrush everywhere for shading" meme
>failed for the "im cropping the legs because they look like giant sausages and i dont care enough to learn how to draw them" meme

you're not even trying to learn anything, you just want some praise on your shit amine generic doodle #2236, you have deviantart and facebook for that so please stop posting here unless you grab a book and start doing some studies yourself

>>2897299
What kind of person is this? The ones that come here and only post anime pictures. Who are they?

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>>2897317
>failed

>>2897320
autistic

>>2896194
when the face is too close to the camera there's distortion that will fuck up your drawing, i mean the drawing is fucked but the reference is not helping you at all, try a different angle anon

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>>2895820
I wish OP would post more Reference pics of pretty ladies in next thread.

>>2896695
Most things you mentioned may be fixed with more time spend on measurements, the polish sausage thing may be caused by my lack of shading(?) knowlege. Huge thanks!

>>2896720
Thats a thing, thanks! ...

>>2897320
the lad asked me a question, i didn't just show up just to post anime

>>2897338
A moderate amouth of reaction images is healthy for every thread, even if its asian cartoons.

https://gifyu.com/images/VelikaJebenaMapacc8f3.jpg

is my map any good?

it's fuckhuge

>>2896095
You've done no good service to yuuka
I get hair is just little strands but you don't have to make every individual strand visible

>>2897345
looks cool anon but the area names r kinda lame n boring

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Someone from the /v drawthread said this looks bad in the uncany valley way of bad so I came here to get some help, as I agree. What are the major issues with this aside from color/shading as I already know it´s shit, just the lineart, where are the flaws, what should I work on if not everything?

>>2897345
questions:

how long did this take?
what is it for?
why did you do it?

>>2897360
faces
perspective

>>2897360
loomis

>>2897360
Her chin looks like it could cut steel
The eyes seem take up a fucklarge amount
The irises are massive with tiny pupils
Do her tits have weighted balls in them or something? why are they so lumpy at the bottom?

>>2897367
fun with a pencil or figure drawing?

>>2897373
just use drawabox its better

>>2897375
>>2897373
just support ISIS it's better

>>2897368
Kek´d on the chin one, not gonna lie
The eyes where mentioned as anime shit on the /v post and I also agree they suck but I thought the tits had weight enought to create body masses when you hold em´, like when you poke a slime (dunno if I explain myself well enought)

>>2897282
you're supposed to post your own art ITT you stupid ass.

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Can someone tell me where the top of the head is in this picture?

I'm trying to study some other artists pictures and work out how they do their proportions differently, but the issue is I can never tell where the top of the head is when it's hidden in hair.

>>2897330
Forgot to mention that i would like some critique on that picture.

>>2897006
u r gey

>>2897419
Critique? In /beg/ when you're not posting a pic of boxes and perspective exercises?

You've got a better chance of winning the lottery.

>>2897407
This is of dubious use. You're better off just studying anatomy and proportions then making those judgments for yourself later.

Working off of another artist's finished work is like re-saving a jpg, the quality goes down because of lost information, and at best you can only ever be as good as someone else.

>>2897427
Drawing pictures based on images posted by OP was my idea of getting interaction and conversation going, you can't say I didn't tried.

>>2897438
isn't that what people do here all the time though?
practice off another work or a picture?

I get the sense that there are multiple ways to do a study for different reasons. Like, say I wanted to be able to make a cart or something, would it not be better to focus on the construction of that object as opposed to replicating it 1 for 1 with such anal measuring.

Then when you understand the underlying construction to it, you can go and do different studies in which you focus more on measuring accurately. Is this a fair assessment?

>>2895887
stop airbrushing!

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A Quick question

In one of Proko's videos he recommends using the overhand grip for drawing.

If I am using a tablet is it still best to use the overhand grip?

It seems like I would have to hold my hand at an extreme angle to have the pen read.

>>2897467
It doesn't work on tablets. Tilt is too strong to register strokes fully.

>>2897474

Thank you :)

>>2897467
Why is it called overhand if it is under your hand

>>2897505
y o u a r e s t u p i d

>>2897508
The pencil is under your hand. You are gripping it under your hand. Why would you call it the overhand grip?

>>2897505
Now instead of your hand and pencil being evenly on the paper, the pencil is directly in between the paper and your hand.

>>2897511
What does this mean

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>>2897350
And that's why I'm trying to improve and post my works here, dude.

>>2897427
I knew that such luck is far from normal!

>>2897407
You have different methods for doing that, but the easiest one is to draw a straight line from the center of the chin to the top of the eyes, copy it, and continue the original line with it. Alternately, if the hair is neat enough, you can draw the outlines of the skull, starting from the jaws. As you can see, in this case both lines meet at the same point. But the only use in this is understanding how much volume do you need to give the hair.

>>2897509
Because the hand covers it and is over the pencil?

>>2897520
>Because the hand covers it and is over the pencil?
That would be the overpencil grip. Nothing is over the hand.

>>2897520
ah ok. before I was just trying to guess the top and bottom of the head and everytime I guessed, the midpoint between them was like at the browline.

Starting from the chin to the eyes seems a bit better.

I also can't tell if there is a slight forward tilt to her head or not. Is there some method of being able to tell that as well?

One of proko's videos said to watch the relation of the ears to the browline but that probably works better with a real life picture.

>>2897513
Now instead of your hand and pencil being evenly on the paper, the pencil is directly in between the paper and your hand.

>>2897523
I see that we both aren't native speakers of English, are we? Well, my language sense is not that common, so let's take a look at dictionaries. And several of them do tell that this adverb means "with the hand over the object". I'd know better than to argue with those.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/overhand

>>2897532
Top of the ears to the browline is the most reliable method, yeah. If the tops are visibly over the browline, the head is tilted forward, and vice versa. Go watch your own face in the mirror and try to figure out what's possible to do if your ears aren't visible.

>>2897539
Thats not the point. I know what the word means. You arent gripping it over your hand. It should be called the underhand grip or the overpencil grip

>>2897544
And you still choose to completely ignore the definition stated in the dictionaries and copied into my post. Well, good luck on your path of thorns, then.

Hey all, I can't seem to adapt to drawing on a tablet too well. Do I need to use certain settings? Or certain brushes? I feel like a dunce because I'm pretty ok when it comes to drawing on paper but I can't do anything digitally for my life.

>>2897553
I said I know what the word means. It should be called the overpencil grip. Overhand doesn't make any sense.

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Something I worked on about a breaking relationship.

>>2897557
how many years until you graduate high school?
judging from the handwriting and the pixels, my guess is you are a sophomore right now, so 2?

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>>2897557

>>2897560
I'm in college, In england. I have another year and a half left til Uni.

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I'm the nigga

>>2897555
It does make sense to me, though. Maybe you should go to some language forums, where they discuss etymology and all this uncertain shit, and ask if there are any Americans who are concerned with it too.

Is drawing from reference really going to improve my skill? I have been doing this over and over and nothing changed so far in my skill

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Good critique before I spend any more time on this pls bully

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No ref used, just drawing from what i learned this month

>>2897574
Pretty good

>>2897575
Its shit

>>2897567
blacked?

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Got tips or tutorials for realistic coloring? Ive already read "Color and Light", maybe i should read it again. When painting i go from light and saturated to dark and unsaturated.

>>2897567
read the sticky

>>2897583
if you have money (or a cgpeers account) you can get The Laws of Color Vol 1 and 2 by Chris Legaspie.

I know Vol 1 is on there but I'm not sure on 2.

>>2897583
that should be the opposite, dark to light.....unsat to sat.

>>2897583
paint from real life before painting from imagination, it'll help tons. read "alla prima" regardless of medium but it's best for oil. the best tip is to squint your eyes to block out major shapes of colors.

>>2897577
Fuck me I didn't mean say good things about this shit I meant tear it apart before I even attempt to do anything else with it. Please.

>>2897590
you already made it friend. why are you in the beginner thread?

>>2897571
mindless grinding is useless if you don't pair it with focused study. pick an aspect you're weak at and read about that, then draw more.

>>2897554
just keep at it, you'll get used to it in two weeks or less.

>>2897593
Because I've not had a good drawing course in close to a year and have been slacking lately. I also need to finish loomis. I've only got about 2 years under my belt so I think that's reason enough to stay and keep learning the fundamentals.

>>2897586
Not that anon but thanks for the rec. Chris Legaspie is awesome, didn't know he had any books out

>>2897578
No

Does anyone have any tips on saving paper? I've heard of drawing on top of other sketches using colored pencils to differentiate each sketch helps a lot.

>>2897600
draw digital

>>2897363
it took 4 weeks of on and off work
It's for a game of D&D
Because it's fun

>>2897601
A bit too broke to buy a tablet and I most want to focus on traditional for now.

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Read the sticky

how am i doing?

>>2897209
Also, try to find an angle that feels comfortable to make lines with, if you'll stick with digital then that'll make doing lines a lot easier. You should just follow what the other anon said tho, draw on paper until you build the confidence

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>>2897610
forgot pic

>>2897614
Not to bad but the way you drew the body and breasts is slightly off center to how the reference is. Stare at it a little and readjust.

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Do you guys wanna see this shitty alt right joke comic I made? Pretty bad but I like it for the joke.

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>>2897613
I can do it more cleanly if I do something like zoom in 1000 and work slowly, but really anon go me pinned down on the fact that I don't have the confidence to draw long lines

>>2897442

Yes, but there are some key differences you seem to not be getting.

Best subject is real life. As in: Real Life models, actual locations, real things, in real light, with real textures.

Learning from these means you can accurately reproduce subjects in a way that pretty much everyone will recognize and understand. From an accurate, true life rendering you and then pick and choose what to keep and what to change based on various aesthetic choices.

Second best subject is still life images of real life. Here the light source might be harder to recognize, the center of balance or direction of body weight in a model might be hard to recognize, or the image is an incomplete one like only a headshot or section of a landscape. These give incomplete information but are still better than anything but actual real life since the subjects depicted are still real, tangible things.

3rd best are mannequins. Digital, full size, standard wood desk doll, super detailed japanese weeb shit, whatever. These are still good because you can pretty much pose them however you want and also control the lighting. But they're not real life and you'll lack some fine details (unless you go super crazy and like make custom clothes and simulate wind and shit but whatevs).

Learning from finished, stylized, rendered works, with no instruction to go with them, is low grade. Especially if you're a beginner. Someone who, like the pic in question, can render things like that out already has enough in built shortcuts in their work that you're just chasing cars. The don't block out a body with forms or explicitly draw out a circle, then ball, then plane over the ball for the face, then etc etc. They've learned how to do that in a more streamlined manner that only works for them because that's how they've matured as an artist.

Learn from real life, or real images, then from other artists.

>>2897566
even if you get good, you'll never make anything worthwhile with a mindset like that thinking that has aesthetic value. go innawoods.

>>2897623
I just wanted to know how to find the top of the head, dude.

>>2897636
epic xd

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>>2895820
i am quickly realizing that simply copying photos does not teach me anything besides getting acquainted with the medium. how do i analyze this ref, for example, in a meaningful way?

anyways, can i get a critique on this watercolor?

>>2897636
he wrote off some of the most insightful things in /beg/ in a long time and thats ur response lmao

>>2897651
I wasn't even the one he responded to.

hey whats up its me.

>>2897672
Nothing much, you?

>>2897620
that's an issue every begginer has, you have to grind it out with muscle and brain memory.

reminder that correct spelling is beginner

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Okay, I drew it. It took a long time. I still feel like I didn't capture her likeness enough.

>>2897786
Who did you sell your soul to and be able to do this kind of work.

>>2897786
>spending this much time on drawing from reference when thats not even the goal of practicing with reference
NGMI

>>2897789
no one, just a lot of time and effort

but if I could sell my soul though, I hope I'd end up with at least proko level drawing instead of this lol

>>2897650
Measure angles better

Dammit guys, at least post the link to the new thread.
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Does anyone have a picture I could use for a value study? Like some three dimensional shapes on fabric