/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

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the dab and yeet combined into one. black culture is evolving

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>all this practice and im still shit

>>2899530

>>2887246

that thread has 10 more posts before bump limit

im sure with ya damn ATTITUDE you can fill it up :^)

>>2899546
>>2899548
>>2899550
Adding a bunch of filters and half transparent images on top of your drawing doesn't make it a masterpiece, you know?

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Does this make any sense?

>>2899559
the one point perspective yes, but the shadows appear wrong to me. How have you constructed them?

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Its supposed to be the bodysnatchers from bloodborne

>>2899567
Err.... I did extended lines from the light source to the corners and then I tried applying a two point
perspective on them.

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>>2899559
>>2899570
Is your light source supposed to be far off the horizont (like a sun)? In that case it should look more like pic related.

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>>2899583
>>2899570
Here's a quick rough sketch.

You have to track the position of your light source on the ground plane and use that position as a vanishing point, you than draw lines from the bottom of your object.

You use the actual position of your light source as a second vanishing point and draw lines from the upper part of your objects. The shadow ends where both lines converge.

>>2899597
Makes perfect sense. Thanks.

>>2899583
This was also helpful. Thank you.

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Faces are hard, also trying to get used to a new tablet so things turn out extra shit today

>>2899646
Things are off like the eyes of the upper left women and you still do symbol drawing especially the mouths but I assume you know that. Still better than most of the stuff posted here, at least you can draw more than one angle.

>>2899674
Yeah i need to study how mouths actually wraps around the face, been watching prokos videos on the face which have helped alot

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>>2895822
These poor men.

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>>2899687
It's not that horrible. Learn basic face proportions. If you had you wouldn't had placed one eye too close to the edge of the mouth and the other too far away from it.

>>2899698
Thanks. I'll definitely work on that.

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This is a man from imagination. What should I focus on practicing?
(Saying "everything" won't help much.)

>>2899725
Anatomy.
What looks the worst is: shoulders, abdomen, pelvis, and head.

>>2899517
now that's a fuckin pose god damn

>>2899569
What should i be working on? anyone?

>>2899754
Sticky.

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i did i still life but i sorta feel like it was half assed

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I colored in my picture from last thread. What do you guys think of the colors?

>>2899725
first get a good grasp on perspective, then gesture and then anatomy.

>>2899788
they look right.

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Is this good?

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i wonder if old man vilppu knows hes teaching people to draw thicc porn hehe

>>2899800
yes. If you want to make it more awesome add ambient and reflective lightning.

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>>2899808
damn look that that form
holy shit

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am i doing this correctly? i feel very unsure on how things foreshorten when tilting the head up and down

>>2899816
more awesome means more work of course

>>2899788
Is her upper eyelid/under eyebrow area supposed to be that huge?

>>2899800
like >>2899816 said you should think about reflective lighting.

for example, because you've made two sides of one cube have the same tone, you are communicating that those two sides are reflecting the same amount of light (and therefore are facing the same direction). this doesnt make sense when you have one light source, and your brain knows this so it looks weird.

>>2899811
Cute for some reason.

>>2899820
try using more box shapes, make corners for the brow area. this forces you to decide a direction for the form and proves if you have a good understanding of the form or just some understanding.

knowing how to utilize boxes will help with perspective

>>2899830
Welp, fixed it now

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>>2899828
>>2899800

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Tried adding in features, only really like the ones with their eyes closed which probably means that I have to work on my eyes

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>>2899811
Kinda reminds me of Spydra from that awful Gadget Boy cartoon.

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>>2899890
Nice!
I was working on something else.
I get it, but my technique sucks.

>>2899808
Which video is that from?

The last time I used a pencil was in high school on geometry lessons. I want to learn how to draw. What should I start with? Is drawabox a good choice?

>>2899913
Read the OP.

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so what's the threshold for being in /beg/
does it count if I just started seriously studying fundamentals

>>2899910
ch 4 combining spheres and boxes

>>2899913
no drawabox is complete shit. The best beginner book is probably keys to drawing, the drawings included in the book are kinda crap - they dont have that perfect muscle memory experienced artists develop - so you dont feel as bad when your drawings turn out terrible. drawing from the right side of the brain is also a good book, has a lot of pseudo science though.

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>>2899729
Thanks.

>>2899789
Is there a way to step up my game in perspective exercises? Whenever I do these I feel like killing myself, not sure I'm learning anything.

Does anyone have a picture I could use for a value study? Like some three dimensional shapes on fabric

>>2899948
These boxes look alright. Have you done the rotation challenge? And do you know how to construct 2p and 3p grids/boxes?

>not sure I'm learning anything.

If you think you're good enough at perspective don't forget to make use of them while drawing characters.

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Hey guys
I'm having a little trouble with hair in digital painting
Any tips to make it better?

>>2899977
use a brush that allows you to paint multiple hair strains at once.

>>2899993
That's a thing?

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>>2899994
>>2899977
yes... you can easily make it yourself. Use multiple dots that are apart. That's it.

>>2899948
Read Norling "perspective made easy" and
Gwen White "Perspective - A Guide for Artists, Architects and Designers"
In that order.
I see you still doing one point perspective which is the easiest.


Torrent prokos tutorials on gesture and portrait drawing, those alone boosted my skill a lot (I am still shit).
He is very concise and to the point so you wont fall asleep as if you were watching Vilpu but Vilpu also worth checking after proko, what blank spaces left after Stan Glen will fill in.
Same with everything else, what one book omits the other explains.

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>>2899974
Rotation challenge is that one with a "globe" made out of boxes? Never done it, as I didn't know if I could leave the basic boxes behind.

I do know how to make perspective grids and how they theoretically work (I could probably even apply 4-points to boxes), although applying them to organic shapes is always an entirely different challenge. Pic related is me trying to make stuff a bit more tridimentional.

If my basic perspective is okay, guess the next step in your list is gesturals.
I could make a few of them for evaluation, any examples of the type of gestural exercises I should be doing? They can go from anatomical and constructed to noodle-stickman-with-landmarks and chaotic scribble silhouettes.

>>2900034
>Torrent prokos tutorials on gesture and portrait drawing

is there a big difference to the youtube videos?

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>>2900040
He goes more in detail, have critique vids and many videos of him drawing, beans, robobeans, gestures, portraits and such, watching him is a good exercise in itself.

When I drew stuff by myself I often didnt know how to draw something and watching Stan do it gave me idea how trouble areas should look like and since he have like 20 examples on manequezation, robobean, gesture, its all pretty helpful and I still return to them and pick up stuff I forgot or missed the first time.

Those perspective books I mentioned are also very informative, I am just starting to treat drawing seriously and I hate it when shit turns into science but from what I've seen, there are no shortcuts.
Every shortcut you take is minus points on your technique and understanding of the subject.
Just a tip Norling's book ends on mechanical drawing which for me was a bit hard to understand, probably because english is not my native and White's pick up from this point and its explained better.

This site might be helpful if you struggle to divide square in perspective.
http://andreasaronsson.com/guides/perspective-drawing/divide-into-equal-parts/

>Postan my studies.
Have hard time to fight trough shit life threw at me so I frequently drop drawing and try to get back and lately done only few drawing.
Those couple were fun to draw from pictures trying to change them a bit so gonna post it.
>pic related got drawn as...

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>>2900051
>pic related got drawn as..
Some anon joked about him being Buddha warrior which is how I drew him.
Face on the side is how I expect him to age as Buddha warrior.

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>>2900055
This guy is utter badass
in his own terms anyway/spoiler
So I drew him.

>>2900037
>Rotation challenge is that one with a "globe" made out of boxes?

Yes.

>Never done it, as I didn't know if I could leave the basic boxes behind.

I'd say if you got the feeling that you no longer learn something by an exercise go to the next one, and if you struggle with something go back.

>although applying them to organic shapes is always an entirely different challenge.

You have to get to the point where you can make educated guesses without relying on vanishing points and being able to freely rotate boxes.

>I could make a few of them for evaluation, any examples of the type of gestural exercises I should be doing? They can go from anatomical and constructed to noodle-stickman-with-landmarks and chaotic scribble silhouettes.

When I do a drawing I personally start with some lines indicating perspective very loosely, then I draw a simple gesture curve (just as simple as C or S curve) for the body and then the limbs and hands. I then draw boxes and cylinders in perspective loosely following the gesture, however that's no longer part of the gesture but construction.

You have to do whatever works best for you but keep in mind that gesture is just supposed to capture the general motion, not anatomy.

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>>2900059
>So I drew him.
Like this.

Fell into one of the oldest traps I am trying to avoid.
At some point in my life I started drawing character torso in 3/4 perspective and got quite good at it but as a result I couldnt draw it any other way.
In this case I missed perspective on his face making it two dimensional.

Dont fall into comfort zone because it will fuck your skill up in long term.

>>2900037
Also I must say these figures look really good whereas >>2899725 looked abhorrent.

Don't forget that wile drawing from imagination you are still allowed to use reference images! You are just not supposed to copy them.

>>2900066
Why did you include a neck?

>>2900082
I was trying to achieve the roundness of his chin but it got hidden under a beard and I think I might forgot draw it when I was going from pencil to a liner.
But yeah, the loss is great.

>>2900082
lol

>>2900082
jej

>>2899908
Shameless self bump.
I don't think I really get the "atmospheric light"

>>2898390
Nice suggestion, beautiful book. But how should i use it? Shoud i just redraw anything from there or what? What's best approach?

>>2899908
>>2900088
Don't forget that shadows are sharp when close to an object and only get more blurry over distance.

In order to represent atmosphere what you do is you give them the color of the background. Just pick the average background color unaffected by light (middle grey) and paint over boxes with slight opacity that are supposed to be far away. They will lose contrast (shadows will become lighter and highlights darker) but that is the desired effect.

>>2899908
That composition looks pretty cool. Reminds me of when a person is all powering up and glowing like the sun.

>>2900105
Thanks for the info. I'll keep it in mind in the future.
>>2900109
Thanks. Never saw that in real life though.

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>>2900103
I skimped over the book and while it deals with theory and stuff like presentation and expression I didnt notice its touching on the topic of mannequinization which I think is extremely important and allows you to construct the body instead of merely redrawing it.

Basically its gesture, then mannequinezation and on top of it you add details.
Skip a step and its all goes to drain.
I think you should first go trough those topics and then return to the book.

(and to make it clear I am no expert just a noob in a noob thread)

>>2900145

>mannequinezation


Jesus christ, it's called Construction.

>>2900145
Is there any books or something that can help with that?

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Gonna GIT GUD like hado can map

>>2900160
For me it was proko tutorials, I tried books Vilpu and other but literally fell asleep at Vilpu movies while he explained for 2 hours what proko did in 15 minutes.
Premium courses of Figure drawing fundamentals and portrait drawing, proko also have anatomy for artist but I havent seen it torrented yet so just some anatomy books will have to do.

I stand for proko so much simply because I struggled to draw anything and after his tutorials those bodies, eyes and faces I drew were amazing (by my standards at least).
Hilariously enough I stopped drawing back then and now going over his tutorials for the third time but at least its much easier now.
Improvement was literally overnight, like I watched his vids and few weeks later was drawing much better than I would expect (I am not that good but improvement for me was enormous)

reminder about proko

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h4-2HRHaHI

>>2900180
Those who can, do; those who can't, teach

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>>2900186
thats probably why most beginners think vilppu is boring, he is a figure drawing god and is providing real information. you cant just copy contours form photos. there is no easy way about it, you have to take the time to draw. if you cant even take the time to watch someone draw, you are never going to take the time to draw properly yourself

>>2900192
He speaks very slowly, I was watching him in 1.5x speed.

>>2900219
he's an old man. be patient

>>2900192
>thats probably why most beginners think vilppu is boring
I think even actual artists will think that he is droning like hell.
Dont get me wrong, I recognise his skill but I cant help falling asleep, the only reason I still have his vids on HDD because I want to force trough them no matter what, even if I'll have to burn myself with hot iron to stay awake.

His face drawing basic taught me how to draw kickass sculls.

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Only starting drawing, first time i involved myself a bit more than drawing during class lesson.
Any tips to give me ?

>>2900219
>>2900223
Gotta agree, his videos are almost painful to watch for the most part because of how slowly he explains things and the audio is pretty bad quality as well.

But making it through one is very rewarding because I always come out better from it, his skull video helped me so much when it came to head construction.

>>2900229
You drawing outlines, would be much better if you went the regular route, gesture >> construction >> anatomy and since you just started probably perspective as first

I wasted lot of time assuming I can at least draw a cube and only after watching tutorial on perspective I realised I couldn't really.
Trying to take on heavier subject without basics will waste your time IMO, at best you will power trough till a point you will get stuck and if you lucky you realise you need the basics to advance, if not, you will be stuck until you realise it.
>t.someone who wasted years.

>>2900232
really good perspective, if not a trace.

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This is my first value study. How is it? Can you give me any advice?

>>2900276
What are you using? Are you just using a regular pencil? You should get some proper sketching pencils (like a 9B, etc) because it looks like you're trying to use a regular writing pencil so your values look like shit, there's 0 transition between light and dark. You gotta blend that shit. Your drawing also completely lacks perspective but its a value study so whatever.

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Tried to make an imaginary movie poster, didn't turn out great but was a lot of fun

>>2900286
>lacking perspective
>value study
>what is depth

>>2900276
This guy doesn't know what he's talking about. It's never the tool's fault. You just suck at rendering. You need to go slower and even. Your lines are clearly visible in the value scale. Too harsh and too fast. Go slow and later your graphite. Also render towards one direction or along the form. Not all in circles like you did.

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Should I just draw more of this and apply what I learn or should I quit doing this and focus on the fundamentals?

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The skull anon here, how am I going? (I'm not studying the complete body yet, but I'm having fun playing with it)

>>2900373
Your spine seems broken.

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Redline my anatomy. I'm practicing my basics after a drawing hiatus.

>>2900384
Yeap, thats a loli.

>>2900370
move on to something else

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>>2899523

>>2900375
>(I'm not studying the complete body yet, but I'm having fun playing with it)
and the cranium?

>>2900400
Seems fine to me.

>>2900404
I'd say the nose hole is a bit small.

(Another anon.)

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Jesus christ the Reilly method looks horrifying

>>2900404
ok
>>2900412
thanks anon, I'll pay more attention

>>2900420
his method is stupid, since your learning where to put "the symbols"
if you gonna learn that much,you might as well learn skull/muscle tissue of the head, you'd make a more accurate drawing

>>2900145
scroto go home

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>>2900420
you need to really sit down and study proportions. the reilly method won't magically give you a correctly drawn face. it's more of a supplement if you already have a grasp of head construction.

>>2900420
You're way to sloppy and you're probably just mindlessly copying from some reference found online. Give it some more thought and time. Also do it in 3/4 view and profile to understand the form further.

Yeah i just watched a quick video and didn't really put much thought into it, going to try and get it right and do it from some different angles.

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>>2900276
I hope you were not doing this from imagination.
Set up a still life yourself, using one light source, or find a picture if you're cheap.

Focus on finding three values first, highlights, midtones, and shadows. Every plane that faces the same direction has the same value, so the top plane of the cube and the cylinder should both be midtone.

Try to make to values even. Maybe start with a pair of grey markers if you are having trouble filling in. Vine charcoal is also wonderful medium for value studies, which is why most introductory drawing classes will use it (in conjunction with newsprint, which is cheap and self-destructs after a while so no one will see your shitty beginner drawings when you've finally made it).
Graphite, in comparison, is shiny, making it difficult to see the values you have already put down. The tiny point you get on pencils is also a bitch to fill in areas with.
Using smooth paper, like bristol, and using a tissue to blend can help you get even values with graphite. You will also need to practice a ton to get the right touch.

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>>2899514
>>2899515
>>2899516
>>2899517
>>2899526
eh I tried

>>2900420

Slow down with your linework. I know you've read not to chicken scratch, but it's adviceable to build up your lines to some degree. What you're doing now is akin to calligraphy. You can't hope to nail every shape in one go and call it a day. You have to draw and re-draw everything until it looks right.

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>>2899519

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here's a pair of pantalones

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New drawing, a bit of spoilers.

>>2900534
Please continue. I want to see where all of this leads.

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>>2900520

>>2900534
imagine the progress you'd make if you worked on your fundamentals rather than make these shitty mspaint pictures

oh but that's effort right? who wants to put in effort

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Not gonna lie guys, I feel really discouraged about this right now

>>2899513
I'm going to try and draw and I'm not very good. Can someone tell me right now whether or not it's worth it and whether someone who is devoid of any artistic talent can actually enjoy and succeed in drawing with practice?

All my life I've just heard that people who draw have an innate talent, much like singing.

Sorry if I'm bitching in the wrong thread, I just wanted someone's 2 cents on it and I'll delete the post if need be.

>>2900604
Wow, that's really good anon. Colors don't mesh too well, but I like it.

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>>2900600
>imagine the progress you'd make if you worked on your fundamentals rather than make these shitty mspaint pictures
>oh but that's effort right? who wants to put in effort
I find this wrong for some reason

>>2900604
It's good imo desu

>>2900615
It's not worth it. All the pain and suffering and for what? Just a fucking drawing on a piece of paper?

>>2900615
Everyone's going to get mad at you for mentioning talent.

I'm just curious, though. Why did you think you could start drawing and spit out a masterpiece, without any practice? It's like getting mad at yourself for not being able to ride a bike when you've never touched one before.

People put in a lot of effort into being good artists. No one was born knowing how to do anything except cry and poop.

>>2900615
there's no such thing as talent, it's all practice. just go for it man.

>>2900615
It's up to you whether or not it's worth it. What do you want out of this?

>>2900615
Talent isn't really a thing that exists in drawing, it just means people have a better understanding of a certain aspect of drawing better than you, it's more like a head start really

The real question is do you enjoy drawing enough to do it for several hours a day nearly everyday for the rest of your life?

>>2900628
>The real question is do you enjoy drawing enough to do it for several hours a day nearly everyday for the rest of your life?
>real question
>impossible to answer as a beginner who has no drawing experience
Yeah maybe if anon wants to spend a few years finding out the answer.

>>2900623
>>2900628
>there's no such thing as talent in drawing, it's all practice
>kim jung gi

>>2900621
>>2900623
>>2900628
Talent is very much real.

However, it is better for beginners to believe there isn't so they have an easier time in the beginning. Mindset is super important.

>>2900623

don't believe this nigga since you born you were gifted with a level of drawing skills. Bad medium or good if you're in bad you won't make it don't lose your time and if you're in medium then you're going to suffer a lot to make it and likely won't make it either

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any constructive criticism on this shitty cat drawing i did in pen? i know the proportions are kinda fucked up, i got the mouth wrong, the eyes are too small, the head shape is slightly off, the eyes are kind of dull, the eye shape is wrong. aside from being shit in general, what else specifically did i fundamentally fuck up?

Should I start with Perspective Made Easy (book) or should I start with Erik Olson's New Masters Academy perspective lecture series (video)?

>>2900621
Perhaps I don't regularly think about the amount of work and learning that goes into art. From my experience a lot of the people I grew up with from a young age were incredibly talented and could translate ideas onto a page incredibly well. When I tried to do the same thing as a kid it looked like absolute shit.

Maybe it's because I wasn't behind the scenes looking at the work and practice that my friends must have been putting in to be that skillful. I just thought people were just born with it, and that's something my parents would always tell me too.

Also I used to draw and my mum always used to shut my drawings down. I never got any encouragement from anyone so I never wanted to even attempt it.

Jesus this is starting to sound like I'm at a therpaist.

Anyway the reason I'm trying to pick it up now is because I've always apprecaited drawings, being a big fan of comic books, and I've wanted to find a medium to get my ideas across. So that's sort of what lead me here.

>>2900635
Please, don't do that.

>>2900639
>>2900634
lol why are you all so bent on dissuading this person from even trying. just let the poor guy draw

>>2900645
The book is quicker.

>>2900646
It sounds like you've felt discouraged about this for a while.

Take a look at the wiki link in the first post, and grab a copy of Keys to Drawing. Try to make a regular habit out of it. And don't beat yourself up if your drawings look like shit.

The sooner you accept that is going to be a slow process, the happier you'll be.

>>2900645

that's the really long comprehensive video lecture series isn't it?

go for it.

>>2900646
It's somewhat true. It's a combination of many factors that too's long to explain, but it basically boils down to "talent". It's really liking to draw, drawing a lot, getting support such as crits and praise, environment, how quick they pick up on understanding, their innate ideas, etc.

Of course, if you want to do it, then go for it. It'll be hard, but if you want it bad enough, you'll do it. We'll give you support here too.

>> decide to improve the rendering of your skin before you redraw the failed hair
>> watch references and try to understand skin texture
>> open up your .psd in your old buddy Photoshop
>> apply subtle noise filter to the skin
>> apply some blur
>> hmm seems gud
>> save the file and open it Clip Studio Paint again
>> your waifu has artifacted paper instead of skin now

Damn it, Photoshop... You had one job. One job to do!

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>>2900648
I'm just trying to draw loomis
trying....

>>2900665
At least you know one way not to do it. You'll get it right eventually. Keep at it, anon!

>>2900653
yeah but I'm a beginner so I have no idea if it's going to be too overwhelming or not.

I'll probably watch a few videos of it and later tonight read a few chapters of the book and see which one I connect more with. Just wanted to ask here in case anyone had asked the same question before.

>>2900674
It's meant for beginners, but it'll overwhelm you only if you don't listen to Erik.

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I tried to draw from the eyebrows first, and then drawing the rest of the features, instead of drawing construction shapes, and going from there. But her lips are too far from the rest of her face, compared to the original picture. And I think I've made her look much older.

>>2900699
>I tried to draw from the eyebrows first
I thought Loomis said not to do this.

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trying to feel the form from imagination

>>2900701
Does he? Is that just when you're drawing from imagination, or are you allowed to draw from the eyebrows when trying to draw a picture?
He also discouraged artists from drawing from pictures before learning proper anatomy... which I haven't been doing. Maybe he had a point.

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>>2900642
The cat's head is tilted in the original. You flattened it in your drawing.

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>>2900667
You're probably too hasty with your kind words, buddy. I've already tried some ways to circumvent it, to make it look the same way it looks when viewed in Photoshop. If you don't mind killing your eyesight for the sake of others, can you tell me which version looks the most realistic and/or the most visually pleasing? (I know that there's no visible difference between the first two renditions, I just wanted to find the reason it looks so different.)

>>2900699
Her face and head are too narrow, her chin and lower lip are not defined properly, the form of her head is a bit different, the eyes did not retain their original form, and relative positions of the elements are off. I suppose you didn't apply any real effort to her hair. (Because you started feeling disgusted with your drawing, and that's the reason for planting a fly on her forehead as well?) And a classic mistake of most beginners, including me. That is, drawing the model at a different angle, because you are too inexperienced to copy accurately.

>>2900710
Never start with eyebrows. However, starting from the brow/nose line seems to work for me to some degree, but I don't think that's a method one can recommend.

>>2900720
No texture looks the best.

>>2900720
Thank you! I'll keep everything you said in mind, but the fly is a scanner issue I've been having. I'll try drawing from the brows or nose line next.

>>2900720
Wait, WTF. The Photoshop cut looks totally different on the web... Is it my old enemy, SRGB/ARGB gamut difference, rearing its ugly head? But the file was in SRGB from the beginning... I don't even...

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>>2900708
made it better

can anyone recommend a good really light pencil for sketching outlines before using pen to draw? all of my drawings have ugly pencil sketchmarks and I'd really like to stop that.

>>2900743
prismacolor col-erase pencils

>>2900747
i really meant just plain graphite for drawing the basic shape layer

>>2900750
draw lightly with a 2B i guess? what are you drawing with, a number 2 pencil? i'd still recommend the col-erase pencils though, they're life-changing.

>>2900743
regular old HB or higher H pencils and use a kneadable eraser as you draw.

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I've been doing loomis for hours
I'm done for today I think
when does it get easier/better

>>2900743
harder pencils (H, HB) are lighter but leave marks/grooves if you press too hard. softer pencils (B, 2B) are darker but easier to erase. the problem might be how much pressure you're putting on the pencil.

>>2900761
it gets better but never easier. sorry bud.

>>2900767
I know it never gets easier
I'm just saying that as self reassurance

I hate the pelvis, I hate it and everything that it connects to.

Any drawing that's ever fallen apart in my life has always been because of the pelvis and the muscles connected to it.

I've studied it from time to time but it always comes back to bite me.

>>2900769
but it does get easier
watch how this guy draws faces
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBv5z0Y2odE

>>2900783
Holy shit, me too anon. How the hell do we do this? Got any tips? It's ruined my life.

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Shit, wrong image.


When do I get to draw this?

>>2900791
That's not a drawing.

>>2900807
What are you doing in the beginner thread?

>>2900808
bumping, providing content and sketches, and trying to learn some stuff

>>2900716
This is good feedback, thank you. I think a lot of problems come from me trying to draw off of a 3 inch wide phone screen. it became a lot more obvious to me after looking at the full res picture.

>>2900807
Awful face, the eyes, expression, angle, all of it. The body is a solid ten though.

>>2900793
Who drew this qt?

>>2900793
When you start drawing a lot

This artist looks like they've been drawing for at least 5 years though.

Good luck.

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>>2899993
>>2900002
What do you think of the hair?

Also, what part of anatomy did I mess up?

>>2900835
What was your process for the hair?

in general, is pencil easier and better to learn with than pen?

>>2900839
Fuck no

>>2900839
Yeah, pencil is way easier and better to learn with than pen.

>>2900839
They're not really comparable, like apples and oranges; you use them to learn different things. Pens are less forgiving, they encourage you to use less lines, so they are the best tool to practice technique and linework.

If you're studying something, especially for the first time, you should probably use a pencil, although if you feel up to the challenge you can always use pen

>>2900837
made a brush like this >>2900002 after picking out about 5 colors for a blonde color

>>2900002
can this be done in Krita?

how do I draw one of those japanese animes

>>2900875
Search up those anime tutorials.

>>2900866
Can I get your 5 colors?

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Some critique please. Do I need to add more of a background to it?

>>2900881
What inspired you to do this idea? Most creative thing I've seen all today.

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>>2900789
I'm glad I'm not alone

>>2900882
Thank you, I was inspired by the Japanese painting called The Great Wave off Kanagawa.

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>>2900878
Sure, it's the colors on the right palette

>>2900894
Thanks.

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>>2899526
Art is really hard

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How far does it take to start drawing like in Take on me?

>>2900924
That's like drawing for years and years kind of stuff.

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>>2900928
C'mon, don't bullshit me.

>>2900932
You can try to reach that level, anon and report back to me how long it takes.

>>2900534
please fuck off or make your own thread so I can hide it.

>>2900940
I bet you won't say that to me on my tumblr

dreamlagoon.tumblr.com

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>>2900947
>45ish pages of drawings
>Go all that way back to January last year
>almost zero improvement

Actually I think your stuff from last year actually looks almost decent compared the the garbage that you post here, how did you fuck up this badly?

>>2900947
>this person has more finished drawings than you've done in your entire lifetime
Holy shit. It's like you do one every single day or something.

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This is my 4th painting, it's oil done with a pallet knife with the exeption of the sky/water.

>>2900947
is this the most elaborate, dedicated bait since dsp?

>>2900968
Oh my god, anon. You've been watching too much Bob Ross. This is too amazing, doesn't even in this thread.

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>>2900972
that one is actually another guy, Bill Alexander. He taught Bob Ross wet on wet. Here's my favorite one I've done so far, it was my second painting but I think the best. This one is an actual Bob Ross episode.

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>>2900972
Also, thanks for the kind critique. Gonna post the others I've done so far. This was my first attempt ever.

>>2900973
How long do these paintings take you? It's insane how great these look. If I could even do a fraction of that, I would be pretty happy.

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>>2900975
And my 3rd painging, this one was another Bill Alexander rather than Bob Ross.

>>2900976
I think I did all 4 of these in around 2 hours (per piece). I could cut down on some time If I had a better paint thinner bucket and a bigger trash can to clean the brushes in, I try not to fling stuff all over my basement.

>>2900968
https://youtu.be/kNXp-v1Y164
>>2900973
https://youtu.be/sS-hNYgDUak
>>2900975
https://youtu.be/mT0RNrTDHkI
>>2900977
https://youtu.be/YwvYF4YagdA

Here's the videos used for each one.

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Adderall grindin'

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>>2900980
That's already really fast in my opinion. You been at this for a while?

>>2900982
Thanks for the sources by the way.

>>2900788
does this actually work? I feel like it's a regression from feeling the full volume of the head, and seems like it would mess with your idea of proportions.

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>>2899514
i think i did his face pretty well tbqh, but im open to hearing how i didnt.

>>2900990
nope, like I said these are the only ones I've ever done. I'm not involved in any other art outside of doing this. I just saw a bunch of Bob Ross videos and always wanted to try, so I ordered the master set for like $70 with most of the basic paints and brushes and gave it a shot. It's pretty fun. It's pretty quick, but if you watch the videos it's about 4x as long. I'm not very quick with mixing colors and cleaning brushes, plus I don't have a pallet, I use scrap cardboard which kinda soaks up a bit of my paint.

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Here's my first painting. Honest feedback would be nice, picture looks darker than the actual painting due to shit camera

>>2900987

Miranda Kerr, Elizabeth Olsen and Natalie Dormer?

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>>2901015
Here's a close up

>>2901017
Do you know how lighting works?

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I'm drawing Niko from the game OneShot. It's my first post here. Can /ic/ rate please?

>>2901016
ayy good job anon!

There is no Natalie but there is a 2nd Miranda. The rest are random.

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>>2901015
>>2901017
These pictures actually look like shit and you can barely see anything, looks way better on my phone haha. This is my second painting, nothing amazing I was just bored and wanted to get comfortable using the brushes.

>>2900984
Wow do you even loomis. On the real though

>>2901024
>Natalie Dormer
Ah okay, most of the faces are really well done but the one on the bottom left is freaking me out. I can't stop looking at it.

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Ker-chow

Names, McQuine
Lightning McQuine

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>>2901037
Printed on a teeshirt? I'd like to have some I could wear, to just put it out there

>>2901036
Thanks! That one's Miranda I think. Yeah, I don't know what happened to that one. I actually drew a skull first before drawing the face on it, so it ended up weird.

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>>2901050
How are you so fast

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>>2900788
Pretty beginner here, tried doing these faces and I'm going through Norlings perspective book from reccomendation

I just cant seem to get "good" curves, I don't know if its my hand being untrained and sloppy or my brain keeping me from making the curves match the angle I want

getting a long straight line is pretty difficult, something tells me Im doing something wrong but I cant even recognize what it is

Given the short time Ive spent on this I dont expect to be perfect but I don't want to practice bad habits

>>2901063
You're just not used to drawing curves in perspective aka facing specific angles. It's a lot more difficult than it looks.

>>2901050
>>2900957
>>2900534
are they from an anime, manga or something?

And do the frequent negative responses not wear you down and discourage you from posting them?

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>>2900867
>>2900002
Yes, in fact the image I posted was done in Krita. The brush is from Deevads brush set which you can freely download here: http://www.davidrevoy.com/article319/krita-brushkit-v8 though other than his speedpainting brushes I usually use kritas default brushes.

btw. when it comes to painting stuff that is repetitious it's almost always advisable to use a custom brush or texture. For example you should not paint individual scales on a reptile or lines on a fabric. In traditional media you wouldn't do that either but use toothbrush or you would press a blanket against fresh color to give it some texture and stuff like that.

what are /ic/s thoughts on using black to darken a color

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why cant i fucking improve

>>2900913
holy shit my dude that's hilariously bad
read the sticky, goddamn

>>2901105
Because you got the general idea of a ball with looped off sides and you've got the lines for eyebrows, nose, right but you you have no idea how to draw features or about proportions.

Just pick up some tut on portrait drawing and dont try to draw complete faces until you know how to draw features.
Otherwise you just waste time by trying to guess how to draw this or that.

>>2901109
please recommend me something. everyone said loomis but i think you mean i need something else.

>>2901105
you are symbol drawing the mouth and eyes. If you started reading loomis maybe you should finish his books.

>>2899530
Change your way of thinking

>All this practise and im a tiny step closer

comon whatever it takes

>>2901110
As another beginner, I've found Proko's tutorials very helpful and easy to follow. He goes over the anatomy as well as things to look out for in drawing facial features. Check him out on YouTube.

>>2901105
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T7cDY7YDsg

accidentally cropped off the bottom.

>>2901111
loomis on lips didnt help me. lips are a common symbol draw i think. rereading his eyes are a good shout. thank you.

>>2901115
>trusting (((proko)))

>>2901116
thank you, will watch now.

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>>2901109
For example I see your lips on a cylinder but its barely applied anywhere on your drawing.
Your eyes are also flat patches wrapped around head when in reality they are 3D balls behind lids placed in indentation on a scull.

This goes back to basics of constructing scull from simple shapes and placing features in it.

>>2901110
I did only prokos tutorials on portrait drawing (just torrented premium courses) so I cant really recommend much, he uses loomises method as far as I could see.
But loomis also explained it well so I think you need to go trough his book again.
Page 53 just points mistake you did so it feels like you havent even gotten this far.

>>2901117
>>trusting (((proko)))
>resorting to meme arrows when you could just as easily get your point across with a proper sentence
What's your point?

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>>2901118
i know the method, i read it a while ago. i try to simplify things to make them more understandable as a beginner. hence the box thing. i'll try the standard method from now on i think.

>>2899513
I might actually be retarded, but here's my fucking problem.

I paint alot of miniatures, so I start with dark colors and work my way up to highlight.
However, when I try using Watercolors in Photoshop it just goes darker for every layer, even if I use a brighter color.
Someone please teach me the science behind how fucking basic coloring works.

If it matters, I brought a set of Watercolors from a Kyle-guy, stuff is fun to fuck around with, but I think I'm doing it wrong since I'm basicly painting backwards.

>>2901159
paint light to dark with watercolor

>>2901161
Are you sure?

>>2901159
>However, when I try using Watercolors in Photoshop it just goes darker for every layer, even if I use a brighter color.

First of all, if you use them on different layers there ware settings for each layer how transparency should be handled (multiply, difference, merge, overlay, grain, etc).
The transparency must be set themselves as well.

If you use just bush tool, there is also some settings on how to handle transparency.

In the end mixing colors in CG programs is different than on paper.

>>2901173
Oh shit, you're fucking right.

So the preset tool-stuff I have is set to Multiply, so for a simple basic highlight I would have. . . Lighten?

Off topic but, I would encourage any /beg/ having motivation issues to try out a Keto diet for a week. I've been experimenting with it and I've never felt such mental clarity and sense of well-being before.


No shilling, just sharing something that seems useful to me. Coffee + Green tea, also great stuff.

>>2901175
>so for a simple basic highlight I would have. . . Lighten?
I dont know, I havent played with it yet, I just know that this stuff will affect how colors on different layers or colors on same layer mix and look.

>>2901159
>>2901175
You could just set them to "normal".

But in that case what's the point of using watercolor brushes?

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Hello,

for a project i want to draw a fist composed of leaves/flowers/nature element, i must admit i'm struggling a bit. Do you know some work/images which could inspire me on how to do this ?

thanks

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>>2901179
Have I missunderstood the basic fundamentals of watercolor?
I've never been so uncertain in my entire life, what the fuck am I doing?

Pic semi-related; Is this not watercoloring? And if not, what the fuck is it?

Need to learn to do a one point perspective room, been studying drawabox, what else could help me with this?

>>2901182
Digital?

>>2901188
Yeah, I use a shitty old Wacom tablet and Photoshop.

>>2901182
This does not look like watercolor to me, it looks very digital. (very hard brush edges).

And how do you know whether they painted them from dark to light or light to dark?

>>2901191
>This does not look like watercolor to me
Fucking hell.

>it looks very digital. (very hard brush edges).
Is digital somekind of thing besides doing it on a computer?

>And how do you know whether they painted them from dark to light or light to dark?
On the picture I related too, it seems like... both?
I prefer painting from dark to light, it has nothing to do with the picture, it's just as an example.

>>2901195
>Is digital somekind of thing besides doing it on a computer?

Take watercolor and use mostly water, now paint with different colors without waiting for your painting to dry.

Then use watercolor on photoshop and do the sames strokes and colors.

Then see if they look anything alike...

Or alternatively after painting with watercolor on photoshop wait for a few hours until it dries...

Yeah, you tell me if traditional and digital are any different.

>>2901199
Senpai, take it easy.
Obviously that wasn't what I ment.

What I ment was that in the context of what you and >>2901188 said, it sounds like somekind of artstyle, like "Watercolor" or "Gouache" rather then "it's on the computer."

In contrast to many in here, I'm so fucking oblivious to what I'm doing, that I can't just look at a painting and say: "Ah, fucking Impasto." or whatever.

>>2901203
It does not look like watercolor to me, neither traditional nor digital, I think the closest thing to real life would be markers or perhaps a mix of markers and watercolor for the background?

I don't think that the artist attempted to make a painting that looks like a traditional painting (which is possible with digital) in so far it just looks "digital", not as an artstyle but just the way it's made. "Watercolor" isn't an artstyle either.

Btw. Krita and Sketchbook simulate wet brushes and color mixing/smudging whereas photoshop does not. In photoshop everything looks "dry" only with differentiating opacity.

>>2901206
>>2901203
Krita btw. is free and open source, if you want to do digital wet paintings you may want to try it out. It's very similar to photoshop in it's design (it's almost a clone and they even copied most hotkeys but it's made for drawing and painting whereas photoshop is made for retouch's).

>>2901206
Oh my god! Markers? Is that it? It looks like it, right?
That's what I'm looking for? Motherfucker I've been trying to learn watercolor for days!

What is a marker and how do I replicate it in Photoshop!?

>>2901208
Thanks senpai, I'll check it out.

>>2901095
Thanks a lot.

>>2901211
>What is a marker and how do I replicate it in Photoshop!?

You just set opacity to be depended on stylus pressure on round or square brush. Or you use some of the default brushes in Krita.

Since photoshop does not simulate wetness and color mixing pretty much everything **behaves** like a marker, even if it does not look like a marker. Also in digital you can freely mix brushes.

>Oh my god! Markers? Is that it? It looks like it, right?

Yes, it does look similar to paintings made with marker. Keep in mind that most digital artists do not attempt to simulate traditional media so often times you will not find an exact traditional equivalent.

>>2901223
Thank. Fuck.

Senpai, thanks alot, I've been dying over this! Now I can finally focus on actual drawing!

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>>2901121
>i know the method,
Knowledge is not understanding.

You're still symbol drawing even if you're trying to use a mannequin template like Loomis'.

The faces and the head are all wrong. You're drawing the dome of the head too short and too wide. Then you're placing the face too high up on the head. The chin is massively over sized. Also with the exception of the front facing heads you are drawing the eyes too close together and the wrong size for the kind of face you're going for.

The symbol "eyebrows" aren't helping either.

Go back and reread Loomis' Drawing the Head and Hands and really try to get some understanding of what he's having you do with those guidelines. As it is you've just taken in the most superficial aspects of his system and are now symbol drawing, but with fake construction lines.

trying to make disney-esque. What I think that identifies the style is kinda like a skinny face, instead of a proper broad one.

It's weird to explain but the width of the face is kinda shortened for all the princesses, it's different from the anime-ish style.

What I find is that the look is pretty ugly if you watch each individual aspect of the average princess face, but together it looks good.

like, it is pretty skinny, not childish(except for snowwhite), case in point aurora, but their eyes are also not that big, not compared to anime and their lashes are usually dark and thick and make their eyes smaller. And their lips are fullblown lips, not just lines like in anime, but it usually has this 1960 look to the lips, which is nice.

>>2899514
Question: what's your approach for this kind of very foreshortened frontal poses? I try to do it with boxes, but rarely get satisfying results.

How do you tackle it?

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>>2901233
Somehow lost the image while redoing the capatcha

>>2901234
experience. How I tackle is that I construct the body, then I construct the foremost thing in this case the hands and only then do I connect them.

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>>2901234
>>2901236
Here's an image to illustrate what this kinda looks like. Bottom pic specifically.

ignore the shit sky ill look up a sunset ref in a bit. would this be a decently worthwhile to do as a first landscape from imagination with gouache? would it be worthwhile to complete both the digital and gouache versions?

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>>2901248
or maybe i should do the digital first, take it as far as i can, then use it as a ref for the gouache?

>>2901248
>>2901250
composition looks boring in my opinion.

So I want to progress, I keep looking for a good method, program or course instead of actually drawing and I lost too much time doing so.

I think I'm going to say fuck all and start with figure drawing, I'll start doing a fuckton of gesture and then go on following Vilppu's drawing manual and Proko's videos

>>2901228
shit lad, im really trying to do whats proper.
is there any method of practice you can recommend me that would help? would drawing from reference help? which aspects of loomis' method are the least superficial? im struggling here, are there any exercises i am missing that might help me? for the time being ill go and reread loomis, although i have it open next to me when i do these. thanks in advance, and for the help already.

>>2901254
>would drawing from reference help?

yes. can't draw something you don't know what it looks like.

don't be shy about referencing only after time will you have proper mental image in your mind.

>>2901258
thanks. im at a bit of a loss, i recognise that im not improving at the rate i should regarding loomis heads. everything else has been pretty acceptable. reference will help i think. i'll go at that for a week or so then post again.

>>2901252
composition or subject?

>>2901116
>>2901117
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThgQioElGkM
this one is also great

>>2901254
Not trying to shit on you. Just being blunt.

The head constructions you did without the face are ok. You do have a sense of dimension with them and the face planes are correct.

Also the lips on a cylinder are alright as well, but when it comes time to apply them to the face you don't construct them correctly. At least on most of them. And even those few eyes you practiced alright.

So you're ok drawing the individual aspects of a face but you aren't composing them correctly. So yes, practice with reference. But be sure to try and use the mannequin when constructing the reference face so you know how to actually use the construction lines. That'll give you an idea on how a head is supposed to look and what the reference points are for building one from imagination.

Also part of your problem with the heads is that the circle your using for a base line is kinda squashed in most cases. The heads that are directly from the side seem the best, but the closer you get to straight on or tilting up/down the worse they become. So take some more time to practice your basic forms as well.

You may as well be misapplying the construction lines for the head when doing the head in positions other than side pose, which would lead you to erasing more than you should, and thus a squat, wide head.

PS: Thanks for not doing the typical /beg/ thing and just throwing a tantrum back at advice, you gon make it son.

I need help inking with PS. Really I just can't do it, even if I'm fairly good at drawing on paper on digital everything I do looks like ass, even shitty furries on deviantarts ink better than me. Am I just using some bad tools? What do you guys use or recommend? Some good tutorials to watch on inking digitally?

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>>2901280
>Just being blunt
>not throwing a tantrum
this isnt tumblr lad, here we have depth

the circles i use are done with a compass so its a perfect circle. i think the problem here is that you need to cut a bit out of the circle to do the more forward angles, loomis does it but doesnt mention that he does it.

next up for me is tracing over images of real heads, trying to see where the construction goes on them then grinding some out from reference for a while. i'll see where it takes me. this has worked for other things.

thanks for the advice, really.

Any advice for making lines with more intent. I think I'm starting to get decent enough at drawing forms that I really need to address my chicken scratchy lines. I draw way too many lines to get them right and by the end there's too much overlap and the line weight is awful.

>>2901311
one day just decide to draw your lines properly

>>2901296
>this isnt tumblr lad, here we have depth

kek. We get plenty of whiners.

>>2901311

Do you do line drawing practice? Go try Draw a box's beginner lessons.

>>2899918
this is what I'm wondering

I've got 4 yrs of art education under my belt but I've barely touched fundamentals. kind of just relied on practice and natural ability

>>2899918
As long as you need advice and corrections, you belong here.

>>2901445
incorrect
as long as you are shit, you are here. you never stop needing critique

>>2901439
wow you got ripped off if they havnt covered fundies in four years

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>>2899890
so I got this idea from that. I've only been drawing for about a month and truly have no idea what I'm doing. That's really good lighting practice.

>>2901454
there was plenty of life drawing, but I've never been taught about light, anatomy, perspective. I think we were given one worksheet on two point perspective once.

I'm not sour grapes about it though, my fault for not being proactive. at least I'm not an absolute beginner desu senpai

I drew a bit as a kiddo but haven't in years. I got bored reading drawing on the right side of the brain so I tried to copy the girl on the front upside down. How did I do? I know it isn't good, but for a beginner, how is it? What should I focus on improving? Is just drawing random shit like this good practice?

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>>2901484
Forgot pic and also just realized thread is at bump limit.

>>2901487
you actually bought a copy? what a fag. her right is in the wrong place

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>>2898374

>>2901448
The definition of "shit" is too unclear and subjective.

>>2901534
What are your drawing tools?

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Whats an accurate learning curve for drawing?

>>2901582
There is none, lol.
Each person has their own, after all.

>>2901589
how did it go for you?

>>2901599
>go

Wrong tense. Going. Forever. You never stop learning.

>>2901599
For me? Lol. It is really pointless to ask me that, bruh. But to answer your question, I'm >>2899055.

>>2901514
I checked it out from the library senpai.

>>2901541
A "BIC" brand Biro and a Staedtler brand pencil. I have an eraser too, but eraser doesn't work on biro

>>2901609
>how did it going

>>2900389
Eh?