Alternative Art/Stylization General

hai >w<

>>2806472
hai ＼(⌒▽⌒)

>>2806472
osu

>>2806543
I like it

consider studying gesture and wrinkles, with some some hard work you could do some beautiful vectors

>>2806553
>I like it
How fucking blind are you?

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>>2806592

>>2806598
The whole point of 4chan is to bare the gritty cold hard truth of, in this case, drawings, that you wouldn't get on another platform because in most cases you would be shunned, or banned etc.. because of a lack of anonymity. If you think this>>2806543 is something to be proud of, I feel like I have to re-examine my standards of this entire board. Tbh I see pretty good drawings that get no response or get shit on, while every now and then there are drawings like these that get praised. It is a fking joke that people like these are critiquing, and probably shit talking other artists that are WAY better. No wonder people like Pops left, because of you fking autistic retards.

>>2806621
>The whole point of 4chan is to bare the gritty cold hard truth
Quite sure this isn't the case

>>2806621
>4chan is to bare the gritty cold hard truth
stfu, 4chan is a cespool for shitposting, if any ((truth)) happens it's by accident.

Please don't.

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>>2806433
My OC. Is this too anime? How do you draw a little girls body that is aesthetically pleasing but not sexualized?

>>2806643
Aesthetic little girls are sexualised by default

resize/10

>>2806643
Stop taking pictures of your monitor, either you're too stupid to know about print screen or you're insecure

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bla

This is the beginning of a very helpful and constructive thread, im sure

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Sorry for the bad quality (it's hard to scan a pen sketch properly, and my camera is quite bad)
What should i improve, besides the obvious deformed column on the left?

>>2806737
I hope too

>>2806643

Depends are you going for theme wise. Overly cute or just a little girl. If it's overly cute push the anime style more. If just a little girl I would make the body more realistic to the age you're gunning for.

For example a bigger belly, plump arms, age appropriate clothes(unless you're going for some Victorian look as it seems)

Maybe a more serious face.

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>>2806621
Now, as much as I agree with your statement that many, many other artists, better than the ones posting in the very thread, gets overlooked over pandered, shit art and all... Get over it, Jesus fucking Christ. People will like whatever they fucking like, shit art or otherwise. We're all human, not robots. Not every person will be in a hivemind with others, someone will have "better taste" to like an artist with more "technical" skill over others that are low level. While other people won't. It is what it is, and has been so since Da Vinci, and even earlier.

Getting so anal over other peoples interests and taste is fucking autistic. Please don't spurg out like that again, that was embarrassing even for 4chan standards.

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ok so

im new to having a tablet
im hoping someone more apt than i can do a paintover or something
im looking more for crits on technique not so much the anatomy + face + boob size
cus in the end i just care about it looking pretty not totally 100% accurate but i wouldn't mind more accurate technique

You know after seeing more and more references Im finally starting to understand why learning anatomy and structure is important even when doing styliazation.

>>2806543
trash desu

>>2806944

Zero construction and symbol drawing. Everything is round and formless in your drawing. If everything is round, nothing is in a sense. You need to balance curved lines with straight lines. Basic shape language stuff.
Also you are chicken scratching and show very little confidence with your lines. Understandable, but something you need to work on.

Your lack of accuracy is actually what stops you from making it look "pretty" so please try not to use the muh style excuse. You simply don't understand how to simplify and stylize shapes because your eyes are not developed yet. I would suggest looking into bargue plates (for understanding how to break down complex shapes mainly, the block in stage chiefly) and to study the sketches of animators like Glen Keane. Remember straights vs curves

>>2806950

noice thanks ~!
luckily im not too new but i totally get what youre saying about the straights and curves

i might do bargue plates on my tablet
and try drawing the face upside down so i dont force muh style on it

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>>2806543
this looks ok but it's too stiff and has no gesture, you should be able to define this lines and have some sense of flow to your characters before going into detail.

Look up guys like steve huston and hampton

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4ZIDhM9WOA

>>2806543
gesture and anatomy could use some work but i like it

>>2806543
if her left arm is in front, the right leg should be the one forward. and vice versa.

>>2806543
>>2807135
This. Try running sometime, even just walking, you'll notice the difference between your drawing and yourself.

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meditation map

y'know if youre into that sorta thing

>>2807157
This belongs in /trash/

>>2807157
I like it man keep doing what you do

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>>2807157
Only a Jew could do something so bad

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>>2807242
/pol/ fag detected

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>>2807242

F00LZ

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>>2807280
Are those flowers supposed to represent the chakra gates from indian mythology or some shit?

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>>2807287

yes

but mostly just pretty pictures

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>>2807298

how alternative can we be

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>>2807301

like i did some graffiti

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>>2807302

like i can get pretty out there

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>>2807303

but i can do animeish stuff too!

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>>2807307

but nah its mostly just this now since i got a tablet

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Was messing around with this today again. I had a lot of fun with it, about to finish up

>>2807347
I mostly used the Yotsuba theme as a starting color palette but I decided to change a few of them like the skin to make it look nicer

>>2807361
Welcome back man

>>2807362
hammer head? ;)

>>2807371
Yeah, I was that guy who was having trouble with cheeks. I eventually did some studying on my own and I came to the conclusion that the cheeks usually never go past the brow unless the head is tilting back and the ends of the cheeks and brows can usually line up at an angle. Is that true?

>>2807361
p good do you have a finished lineart i can paint over ?

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working on a new thing, that "doodle" off to the side is gonna be a picture hanging on the wall

>>2807374
Ohhh sorry I mistook you for some completely different person. Just take that re-drawing I did with a grain of salt, as I probably implied too much of my own style in it. To answer your question, I don't really know. I just go with gut feeling, in most cases there is a slight inward curved line representing the temple area followed by a downward sloping line representing the jaw bone line. Just keep doing whats true to you, and I'm sure you'll eventually find something that sticks with your inherent style.

>>2807377
I'm sorry my tablet kinda broke xD

>>2807439
Hey, I'm the one who compared your style to a hammerhead shark, don't take it as an insult, i can see that you've improved and to be honest with you i like your work

>>2807439
Thanks for the reply man, and yeah I've been doing drawings based on photo poses and on my friends and I've noticed that doing that is a lot easier than studying the forms again. I've noticed that I can do gesture, perspective, and anatomy well it's just that I need to work on further details like how much the cheek goes out and natural poses. I've started to study from photos and real life and I'm having a lot more progress. I thought that I was a more technical minded person as I like programming but I find that I learn more just by observing real life and photos than any sort of art tutorial or artbook. I think those books are mostly are for fundamentals and the rest you gotta figure out on your own

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>>2807467
I think this guy is the only one on here that's on the right track

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Edited a few things

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any tips on curing sloppines?

>>2807488
face caved in.

>>2807489
Try "ghosting" in your lines. You hover your stylus or pencil above the screen and practice the stroke a couple times before your actual stroke. When you do your stroke aim your eyes on where you want to go, not the actual pencil itself and try to move your hand to that point in 1 smooth quick motion

>>2807492
Is that a bad thing or good thing? If it's bad tell me how to fix it

>>2807507
>If it's bad tell me how to fix it

I would tell you, but it would almost be guaranteed to fall to deaf ears so just think about it instead.

>>2807514
I'll listen, I don't bite. Much.

>>2807518
Loomis.

>>2807523
I guess my planes are right, all right thanks for the advice

>>2807514
though you didn't listen that much on your earlier advises before you added the color

>>2807539
aren't*

>>2807541
I really wanted to add the color though, I couldn't help myself. I'll take your words to heart though. I learned Loomis through Proko but now I'm using the Figure drawing for all it's worth pdf as a refresher.

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>>2807534

i can dig it

btw my moe graffiti stickers came in woo
IM A VANDAL :3

>>2807548
I like your attitude more than anything, you're like that one guy in life that never gives up, no matter what the circumstance are. Keep it up, keep practicing, and I'm sure you'll make it far!

>>2807566
Yeah, it's probably the only reason I'm still here after all the shit I got. I've decided that I love art too much to give it up so easily. I'm gonna make a comic one day and I wanna do it good

>>2807058

but if you run or walk with the legs and arms on the same side rising synchronously you always look derpy!

unless you're tackling someone, then i guess it's ok to do it.

>>2807379
blogger?

>>2807702
its be.sides on instagram

instagram.com/be.sides

if you see a piece you want to crit leave a comment please, i like crits

>>2806621
If you think being an asshole is being honest, you're rotten. Some people are genuinely good and can find positivity in a lot of things. Unlike you, rotten like a dead rat that has been in putrefaction for days.

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Pic related is from a drawfag thread.
How man hours do I need to put in every week to be able to draw at around that level?

>>2807772
If you start from nowhere. This would take you two weeks if you draw one hour every day.

Guys, any tips on speeding up Clip Studio Paint Pro? I can draw fine when I draw slow to medium fastness but whenever I draw quick fast lines during sketches the cursor lags behind a little. I've had to resort to Sai for sketching because it's so bad. Any tips?

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>>2807775
Can't you faggots be at least somewhat helpful?
I thought this is supposed to be one of the helpful boards.
For anyone who doesn't feel like trolling here is one in color.

>>2807798
niceness begets niceness. you want help? be patient, its a slow board.

My two cents is stop drawing anime and do figure drawing for a couple of months and then come back to anime (if you still feel like it). honestly the examples of what you want to achieve you posted are sad, that's a pretty low level of artistic understanding, you can do better probably

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>>2807801
Poor level or not I'd be happy enough if I could draw like that.
This is what my girls look like right now

>>2807810
you should really start in the beginner thread. Start with drawing real life and learn construction figure drawing etc then you can start stylization. And for that the beginner thread is probably better

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>>2807772
Starting from zero?


Being able to CONSISTENTLY draw with that level of APPEAL, without relying on one-trick-pony-gimmicks will take you:


Less than a year with great practice.
1 year with good practice.
2 years with questionable work ethic.

These are super rough estimates and natural tendencies play a role as well.


>>2807801
>>2807801
>stop drawing anime
Stop giving this advice for crying out loud. There is absolutely nothing stopping an artist from drawing anime and doing figure drawing.

"Abandon everything and start figure drawing" is the worst /ic/ advice that people parrot all the time.

Instead, have a goal, keep pursuing that goal, while you ALSO do studies and figure drawing etc.

Find a couple artists to study. Not artists that you like, but artists that you want to be able to draw like.(yes there's a difference.) Make sure they're good (ask someone who knows better than you). Pay special attention to their (rough) sketches, they're the most valuable work to observe and study when starting off. COPY and reference these drawings. I know your artistic integrity says otherwise but it's really helpful (just don't present the work as your own). Just keep in mind the goal is not to replicate, but to feel out the process.

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>>2807772
If you draw everyday just from anime pictures you will get to around this level, it sounds long but you need to know much more than you would expect, just simply copying anime and manga won't help you to draw good looking pictures, sure you get some elements right like the eyes and the hair but it ends up looking wonky or off to you.
That is why you should do all the same shit other beginners here do, because if you don't know perspective and proportions you will end up drawing shitty ass deviantart quality pictures.
Let's say you've been drawing for a year or two just learning from pictures of anime and manga, you will most likely hate majority of your work because they look wonky or somehow off, that is because you didn't do the fundamentals, perspective, proportions etc..
So if you want to draw waifus start with realism.

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>>2807828
>copy other drawings and not real life

this is why you will stay bad and mad, dont teach art kids that its okay to just draw a simulacra of life, thats retarded. dont copy a specific artist's copy of life, just copy life and be your own artist, its better in the long run

on the other hand if you dont really care about art and just want to doodle your waifu then i dont care, do whatever. but if you want to "make it" then you cant get there by studying anime alone

>pic related, its what happens when a copy of a copy of a copy of a style gets copied

So from what I understand after lurking this general for a while is I should learn fundamentals before drawing my cute animu waifus?

I will start now, thank you all.

>>2807887
>I will start now
You should've started when you started lurking this board

>>2807887
>before

You should study fundamentals and cute animu waifus simultaneously.

>>2807908
>>2807914
I already did but it was mostly copying or doodles. Now I want to get serious.

>>2807914
How does one do this?

>>2806648
Neither I'm using my phone

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>>2807834
Never forget.

>>2807942
fire kill it with fire

>>2807942
>this awful art
>they still draw better than I can
What is my life even at this point?

>>2807945
I'm 99.9999998999999989% sure that your claim is scientifically impossible good sir.

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>>2807523
I've did some studying but digitals sketching is kinda funky for me. Am I on the right track? If not please make redraws so I can see what I'm doing wrong

>>2807985
I tried doing one of the head leaning very back but I was too tired to do it properly

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>>2807927
Show me how you construct picture on the left. Draw through. Show me the perspective, place everything in a cuboid. Construct the girl's body using basic forms until you get a manikin, start with a cuboid that includes the whole body. Construct the Striker Unit and weapons using basic forms, start with cuboids. Draw detailed head, draw the face. Draw detailed body and clothing. Add details to the machinery.

If you can't, go read books until you understand how to do it, then try again.

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God damnit, I'm an worthless loser, After all that studying I still don't know what anon sensei meant by the "the face was caved in."
I genuinely don't see a problem with the face in this one so I'm just gonna leave it at this last edit if nobody actually shows me what I'm doing wrong.

>>2808023
I'm not claiming to be an expert but the girls face on the right seems...weird. I think it's the sharp corner on her jaw that's bugging me

>>2808024
Probably cause your nose isn't there. You basically messed up your rendering. It shouldn't have that large of an area of darkness between the eye and the temple of the nose or whatever it's called.

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>>2808026
Wow, that's it? The shading was off a little? Well shit that's not so bad. Someone should've told me that before I reviewed stuff I already knew

>>2808025
It's too low, cheek bones don't peak in line with the mouth
>>2808024
>>2808030
Stay in /beg/ to keep learning and practice more.
It isn't just the shading either, the facial structure doesn't fit the facial features and the neck is too thick and is positioned incorrectly, study the skull a few times. Shit, study anatomy as a whole if you wish to draw good figures and heads.

>>2807985
Study proportions of the face, apply construction method you used in Loomis, yes that also applies in Animu.

>>2808034
I've been studying anatomy, I just at the point where I can't see my own mistakes. I'm noticing it's the tiny details that are off

>>2808024
>>2808030

pal, it's nice to finish up a piece, but even if you take every piece of advice people give you it will still look bad, simply because the base of it it's bad. next time you should try to take advices by doing a red line over it, and ask critique of such revision, polishing something that is badly built won't help you on anything

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proportion practice

>>2808043
That's what I wanted from the very start, but nobody bothered to redline it. I tried having fun with it instead. I knew it wouldn't work but at least I got more color practice. Looking back on it I'm probably going to redo this again from the beginning once I study more

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>>2808037
The largest problems that stick out for me is the hand's proportion. The boob's position, they look wonky. The torso to head scale, she looks like a bobble head or an adults head on a child's body. The headbands angle. The face looks like it's been scaled down like Woll Smoth here. And the colours are really muddy.
>>2808047
A helpful redline isn't an easy 2 minute job

>>2808045
You're getting there. That's for sure.

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>>2808025
Fumikane draws humans quite simplistic and his faces look off sometimes, but you can get basic stuff right from studying his works. You should try to construct heads/faces and get proportions right, not just copy his wonky noses and mouths.

I'd also recommend some mecha artists, but everyone wants to draw cute girls only.

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>>2803045
>>2803154
>>2803156
>>2803106

Thank you guys, I tried What you advised and did some more

Progress from >>2802857

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>>2808024
your features are too squished together relative to her head size

>>2808051
I tried using 6 head proportion but I guess it didn't work out. I'll try and redo it from scratch. I still don't see how the face is scaled down, could you give me a ballpark on how bigger the eyes should be next time I do it? Even when I flip the canvas I don't notice any mistakes so I really need to know what is right before I keep on making the same mistakes a habit.

>>2808024
>>2808059
It's like the same head position, I think this would be helpful for you to see what went wrong.

>>2808053
thanks for the encouragement!

>>2808064
Thanks anon, I'll study this and figure out why my eyes are lying to me.

>>2808060
nice redline

>>2808059
Wots ur blog mate?

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comic stuff

>>2808064
I thought you were talking about me

>>2808072
firez-tbr.tumblr.com

Thx, I hope you don't get too dissapointed

>>2808059
What's your plans for 2017?

Does anyone here scan in their artwork and then ink and render it digitally? I have a cintiq and I still find that my traditional sketches are much more proportionally accurate than my digital ones, and ironically enough they take way less time too

>>2808111
I did for a bit but then the inking part made me realize it was like the same thing as drawing it anyways, so I just skipped the scanning part.

>>2808113
I can sketch very smoothly on smooth or rough paper but when I have to make a smooth circle on a glass screen I have to undo 1-3 times. I think I'm just way too used to traditional texture and friction, haha.

>>2808113
Also what zoom do you usually sketch at? I usually go around 50 percent

>>2808115
Right? It was like that for me at first too, so I had to just get used to it. Truth is you don't get used to it, haha. Just can do it better than you did before.

>>2808117
Depends on the canvas size, but I usually hover around 33% to 50%.

>>2808122
How long did it take you? I've had this cintiq for about 3 months but I've had a cheap Huion tablet for about 1 year. I absolutely hated it so that's why I decided to upgrade. It was a lot better but I still find that I fail seeing proportions on it. It's strange because I don't have that problem on paper

>>2808089

I seriously need to get faster and better but mostly faster, there are some results that obvious bias aside seem decent but getting there still takes me too long

I want to do more and better music, that sketch is part of a Vocaloid song I'm making rn.

I want to make art a career someday (not because of the money but because I want t dedicate myself mroe to it) so I hope this year I can start a Patreon (even if it's just a glorified tip jar), start accepting commissions (the only ones I've done is because people have asked me) do more fan art, more shilling in general

I want to do more traditional stuff, oils mostly

Buy the SP5 or a Wacom Mobile Studio if the former dissapoints, the iPad pro almost totally ruined the SP2 drawing experience for me but I still need Photoshop

and some others...

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How much time do you spend on coloring?

>>2808151
Hours, like 3+. But I suck, so my skill has to be honed as I go and sometimes I even start over.

>>2806734
was really hoping for some input on this

>>2808159
Cute! I was just playing some Megaman myself. I think the perspective on the bottom of the dress is a little off.

>>2808159
>>2808160
And the fingers on the hand on the right are pretty messy

>>2806734
it looks like you had a concept/idea you really wanted to draw, but then structure and value were more of an afterthought, so the thing you wanted to draw ended up looking like shit even if it looks fine to you because your idea is on the page.

go back to the books and submit images with honest effort put into the fundamentals.

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>>2808160
>>2808161
Thank you, it was very rushed proportion wise in favor to experiments with colors which is something I barely do. I see what you mean and tried to do some fixing.

>>2808182
I just realized that hand position seems kind of uncomfortable, I'll just move on with this one.

>>2808226
neat, you should define the mouth a bit more

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>>2807834
>>copy other drawings and not real life
The advice about copying drawings was a separate advice, unrelated to life drawing which I also mentioned in my post in these parts.

> There is absolutely nothing stopping an artist from drawing anime and doing figure drawing.
>while you ALSO do studies and figure drawing etc.


Reading comprehension.

Draw from life to learn how life works, how lighting and form works. Draw from life to learn observing and proportions. etc.

Draw from other drawings to learn appeal and design. To learn gesture and flow. To learn cartooning. To learn the tricks that other artists use. etc.

No matter how much you study other artists, you will eventually land at your own sense of aesthetic. People are not copy machines. Trying to "maintain" your artistic integrity by not copying other artists is one of the biggest mistakes you can make when you're learning, there's so much knowledge to be found in other peoples work.

> just copy life and be your own artist
I'd agree with you if we weren't in an anime/cartooning thread right now, talking about a guy who wants to draw with a specific aesthetic in mind.
>pic related, it's what happens when you only do life drawing and then try to move to stylization and imagination drawing

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Kinda struggle with rendering since my experience with rendering in general are lacking, but I will still try to work on this piece

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Been struggling with blending values to make a smooth transition from one color to the next. The end is nigh for me, artistically.

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>>2808378
What on earth

>>2808019
So is this how you're supposed to approach studying another artists work? Break it down into base forms before actually copying the look?

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Coloring takes so much time.

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>>2808457
The drawing looks pretty good but the shadows ruins it, they look patchy and just hastily put in there.
This might help you.

>>2808471
Thanks man.

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Did some lurking but forgot to post. Here's some some sketch shit that I guess

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>>2808302
Try to rework the pose and facial expression if you decide to redraw this concept , right now it looks like she is holding a hovering helmet and cleaning it with a weird grip on the towel with a blank look on her face.

Try acting out the pose in real life as cliche as it sounds.

Good start on the lighting as it has a clear lighting direction.

For rendering try to carve out a stronger and distinctive soft/hard shadows especially on the cloth , right now its slightly muddy.
If you do it right it can really bring out the form of the cloth and anatomy even if you only use 1 darker tone for it.

>>2808486
beg thread

>>2808378
Makes me wish I had 5 hands!

>>2808561
Nice advice m8. I don't really care to go there as I barely get any advice anyways over there

>>2808593
You're a fucking mongaloid anon

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im almost done but any advice would be helpful

>>2808613
/beg/
loomis
symbol drawing

>>2808618
so its fine then

>>2808626
Don't you think that left hand is just a little too big? Just a little?

>>2808630
Our left, her right btw

>>2808613
the blood is too shiny and smooth it looks like a pair of gloves other than that I do like the drawing got a blog?

>>2808633
You must be the guy who ironically asks for shitty artists' blogs.

>>2808637
I don't know who you are talking about

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>>2808640
>>I don't know who you are talking about
>>2808633
(You)

>>2808603
Aww, thanks! :^)

>>2808696
what thread is this?

>>2808726
The thread where random people complain about symbol drawing on a stylization thread where people have good drawings with shaky fundamentals. Nobody here is actually good at stylized drawing, if they were they wouldn't feel the need to go this thread. Ironically, some of these drawings could be polished enough where most normies wouldn't be bothered by the mistakes in the art, only us drawfags would hate it.

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so ugry

>>2808774
Your fundamentals are bad. Go back to /beg/

>>2808791
Damn, /ic/ is harsh. I guess I'll lurk more before I get my ass ripped to shreds in critiques

>>2807488
Really bad face. Go learn how to draw real people first.

>>2808815
>le /ic/ is super haarsh! xD loomis rite!?

You dont know the half of it faggot. Wait until you start actually getting good and then realize youre still at square 1

>>2808825
You sound like you speak from experience. :P

>>2808836
Ive been here for over 8 years
This place is a shithole now like the rest of 4chan and all the decent drawfags have left but i come back every once in a while to browse reference threads.

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>>2808082

>>2808845
>8 years
>2009
Wew

>>2808169
That's pretty vague

>>2808845
Different guy, i'm interested what does your art look like at year 8.

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>>2808226
>>2808231
Thanks, I've always struggled with the mouth part it ends up wonky every time

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Perspective is kind of fucky right now but I'm trying to fix that.

>>2808894
>>2808907

so bad lmao.

>>2808912
such useful critique! really insightful and constructive, sargent-san

>>2808907
look at the perspective on the bed like cmon man.

>>2808907
Yooo, the top of the mirror is really off. I think >>2808912 is being a little harsh, the biggest problem is definitely the perspective and it's good you recognized that. Next time draw out a grid for yourself though, it seems to me you didn't really utilize 2 point perspective.

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Cancelled my clipstudio subscription, sold my tablet, and threw away all my manga.

Such a waste of time. And for what? It's completely unnecessary and serves no purpose.
Stylized Art is not needed, especially in today's society where the Classical, Traditional, and Realism reigns supreme.

To be honest, the "anime style" seems almost like a childish endeavour at this point, and I don't mean any disrespect, but it seems like the most serious otaku(asides from guys who are legit mangaka/animata/cg artists but they represent a very low % of dedicated lifters) are also the people with nothing else going on in their lives.
I know this was true with me, I was biggest and most serious about weebdom when I was still in middleschool, watching anime 15 hours a day, and pretty much just plucking around all the time, going out, with no real life.
To all you weebs out there who are getting sucked into the Alternative/Stylized art , try to stop yourself.
So long as you have and maintain decent realism, you'll be fine.
Anime Art just not worth it.

cheers

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>>2808951

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>>2808907

ah shaut up this is good ic likes space marine homos

very mary magdalene

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>>2808951
So with the advent of photography tell me the purpose of realism. Maybe not anime per se, but the whole purpose of art is to create a new perspective separate from objective reality. Stylization, whether it be impressionism or cartooning, is where the value in art lies.

>>2808958
Kek, I remember being on the first thread where Space Marine was born. Some anon was giving harsh critiques and then when it came for his turn that's what he made. It was glorious

>>2808965
dont bother its a copypasta adjusted for the stylization thread.

>>2808975
He didn't make that, though. That's early Craig Mullins.

I've noticed after lurking around /ic/ for awhile that a lot of comics and manga don't actually have the level of flawless art that /ic/ claims that you need to "make it". Only very few artists are that skilled and sometimes they even
fake anatomy or perspective to save time. I remember an old saying in the comic book industry being : "When in doubt, black it out."
I think studying the fundamentals is fine but I think having fun with making things look cool to yourself is important too.

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>>2808940
I really need to get into the habit of drawing grids instead of just fudging it. Thanks for the advice.

>>2808958
Thank you!

>>2809006
Okay. What's your question?

>>2809044
There is none. Just wanted to comment about that before I went back to work

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>>2808024
I drew the character for practice, I hope it is helpful. Gesture helps breath life into a drawing. A contrapposto is one standard pose. To solidify a subject in space, form and perspective is useful.

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>>2809154
I'm learning that. Slowly. I like your gesture tho

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>>2809195
Good, you're now on the path of redeeming yourself with almighty Loomis

>>2809006
I've got to agree, I've read some really popular manga that have absolutely garbage artwork about as bad as some of the worst in these threads. That said, it does seem the western comics industry has higher standards.

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>>2809204
Yeah I think a lot of people who do stylized artwork usually try to make their art better so that they can be ready to handle any scenario in their stories with their art. However, I've come to realize as long as its not distracting and you can easily communicate what something is without telling the reader directly, then it really just comes down to how good your story is and how willing you are to tell it.

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proportion practice

>>2809287
Keep it up, enjoying your progress.

>>2809006
>>2809204
I think it's just that if you have an understanding of life, you're fine for the most part even for the industry standards. Most popular artists out there have very mediocre looking life drawings, but can stylize Really well.

>>2808556
Thanks for the tips man, I will fix the problem you've mentioned

Whatever happened to Alberto?

>>2807930
just post from the pc you drew it on

>>2807157
love me some raamen

>>2807570
Do you have the story/characters planned ? I'm interested, i'm planning to do a comic too and i want to know more about your inspirations and all that jazz.

>>2809367
On that note
What happened to table guy?

>>2808597
You don't need advice, you need to go to the beg thread, figure out what fundamentals you should be grinding, and then practicing by yourself. If you want to see if you're making progress come back and post there. If no one response I'd hope you would have enough sense to look at what others are posting (or whatever ref. You used etc.) To make a fair and accurate judgement of where you still need improvement.

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>Don't know how to deconstruct cartoons and really learn what makes them successful
>Watch for shape and gesture, but don't know what makes it work

Is there a book out there so I don't have to re-invent the wheel?

All of my cartoons are bland and shit for this explicit purpose.

>>2809195
Your perspective blows.
It's the only thing making your drawings shitty.

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Posted this on /a/ weekend waifu thread and i got replies that the face needs working. I would appreciate constructive feedback on how to work on/ improve the face and point me on other mistakes.

>>2808845
Post something.

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>>2809572
I feel your perspective is a bit off so it makes everything look flat.

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now?

>>2806433
>links are japanese
how the fuck do you expect anyone to understand this

>>2809216
so you post muira who has absolutely flawless fundumentals and great understanding of about pretty much every aspect of art.

>>2809741
you are totally blind if you think Miura has "flawless fundumentals"
anatomy is often just passable and even more often very stiff.
he's amazing in many regards, but he hides the flaws in his fundamentals under layers of rendering.
and don't get me wrong, doing that under a manga schedule is out of the abilities of most humans.

>>>/i/

>>2806643
I didn't see a great crit on this so I'll try to give it a shot:

If you're worried about sexualization, don't because I don't see anything wrong. She's cute but I think you can do even better. What you need to work on (phone pic aside) is your motor skills and proportions.

Sketching style - It looks like you sketch with many little hairy lines on top of each other. This is a bad way to sketch. The quality of your drawings and your overall workflow will improve if you try to just let go and sketch with steady, longer lines. If your hand is shaky, do an exercise of connecting dots with your tablet. Improving your art comes with improving your motor skills.

Proportions - Ask yourself: What are you going for? Something exaggerated, or something a little more rounded out and realistic? I see a bit of both going on, particularly with such a big head, yet thick neck, but little stick arms. I say push more one way or the other. You're going to have to fix something to make it look right.

It also looks like you're drawing and finishing the head before you finish the entire drawing. That might be part of the problem. Try to work on drawing the whole body first so every part of her looks like it belongs. Just my opinion, but the style of the head looks like it should be much smaller.

I'd do a redline but I gotta head out in 5.

>>2809790
Interesante, me gusta mas el tercero de derecha a izquierda. But there's something about her arms that seems off. Her face is by far the best looking style (to me).

>>2809290
thanks :)

>>2809758
>>>/s4s/

>>2806776
Work on your perspective. None of the elements in the drawing work with one another. The background suggest a certain perspective, but the characters say otherwise, its one mess of a perspective.

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>>2806543

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how could have this drawing become better? i feel like the head is misshapped like i dont know how to fix it..

>>2810100
>how could have this drawing become better

Stop hiding hands, draw the entire figure, stop hiding feet, study perspective to help you draw the whole.

>>2809998
>>>/r9k/

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What's wrong with this?

>>2810144
her left leg. I think.

>>2810100
>how could have this drawing become better
A feminine dick.

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>>2806433
r8

>>2810100
B-blog? This is some cute stuff. Didn't know we have artists who actually do this kind of work.

>>2809466
I have a strong grasp on what the basic events and arc structure of the story and I have defined people in my mind that I really want to make into characters. Basically the main premise of the whole manga will be that the number one mechanic in the entire land (known as the Mechanist) goes on an adventure with a robot that fell from the sky to find a village that was abducted of spaceships so that he can see his family again.

>>2810180
It looks terrible tho

>>2809550
All right, I'll practice this. I'm going back to /beg/ to grind out my fundamentals now that I know what to practice.

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Sorry for shit pic

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I hate to be a spoonfeed faggot but can anyone driect me to weeb type guides or infographics or anything of that nature?
Any searching I do invariably ends in absolutely vast quantities of autism.

>>2810203
Learn fundamentals before you shit up this thread.

Does /ic/ seriously think manga and anime artists studied Loomis or is it a meme?

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First painting attempt in a long time

>>2810251
Eyes are too far apart like a hammer head shark.

>>2810248
it's a total meme, if you want to draw stylized stuff like anime the best way is to trace anime until you get the hang of it.

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>>2810254
>>tracing anime
troll spotted

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>>2810251

>>2810257
>there's only one way to learn
idiot

>>2810262
Post work. Plenty of weebs do the same thing and make cancerous works because of it

>>2810262

There are better and worse ways, tracing is ineffective.

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Don't look at the legs.

>>2810277
>tfw looked at the cute legs
Aww yeah, that's it man.'

Chest and stomach are done so well, all those rhythm. Those subtle values, damn man, got a blog?

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>>2810100
>i feel like the head is misshapped
Her mouth is too low, throws off whole thing
And her eyes aren't like that, come on mate

>>2810253
>>2810261
They were supposed to be too far apart, but thanks for the correction anyway. I guess it doesn't really work with the cutesy anime style I chose.

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>>2810203

ey i posted this in the porn thread and some anon used it to success

its just the proportions i use to make a appealing chubby gurl

>>2810292
delete this and never post it again

>>2810292
every time you post something i want to rip out my own eyes because its so sloppy and shitty
its the definition of shitty, effortless garbage

>>2809550
Also anon, are there any tips or books you could recommend that I could use to study from? Thanks!

>>2810277
Practice perspective and human body proportions. Art is like a house, if your base is bad then your drawing is going to fall apart.

>>2810185
Oh fuck, thats great. Good luck.

>>2810185
abducted by spaceships*

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>>2809945
What you think my dude?

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>>2810300

well then ill keep posting knowing it brings you pain :3

effortless is not a bad thing, it took a long time to be able to communicate an effective (simple!) tutorial.
Try it yourself, i've never seen anyone post a tutorial on /ic/ they made themselves. if i had to guess it would either 10 pages long or "draw the rest of the fucking owl.'
If you don't like it, ignore it. i've taken the /ic/ fraternity paddle up and around my ass, you're gonna have to do better than that freshman

>>2810432
What a fucking legend. Shit art, but top most keks. I like you, anon.

>>2810285
nice crit anon

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How do I helmet?

(let's try and let the fact I don't know how to do much anything else slide for now)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-ykG6lle8w

>>2810447
well i assume helmets protect youre head. looks like you drew a beanie desu. give it more thickness, think about any helmet and all the foam padding ect

>>2810429
Looks better! The head is still too large though. Try it at a couple different scales down to see which you like best

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>>2810453
Thanks for the advice; I gave it a shot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3P3I6Nk4A4

>>2810479
much better

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>>2810479
That music was some good shit my man. Your drawing still needs a little work but that helmet looks nice.

how to start drawing animu senpai

>>2810555
Did a little doodle as a spur of the moment thing while listening to that groovy music. Don't bother critiquing it as I didn't really put much effort into it nor do I care about it looking good.

>>2810560
Are you talking to me? The guy who drew the bad robot?

>>2810560
Pause an anime, copy it. Repeat until good.

>>2810429
Her ear is really small compared to her head

>>2810569
can YOU draw animu
>>2810571
sounds bad advice

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>>2810475
Alright, I'm home so I figured I should give that redline I promised. Sorry it's kinda shit, but this should get you started with proportions I think suit your style.

I don't know if it's just the pose or not, but don't be afraid to draw hands. Having them out and not be perfect is still so much better/easier than trying to hide them.

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>>2810581
I can, but I'm not a professional or anything. I currently struggle with perspective so the only thing I can tell you to do is to study the fundamentals at /beg/ as I think copying other beginners would do more harm than good.

>>2810682
C-cute! Do you have any comics I can follow?

>>2810686
This needs to stop.

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kill me adhd line quality grr

>>2810691
This is interesting. I'm going to save this. There's something appealing about it, but I just can't put my finger on it. Is this what you call negative space? Or is it simplicity of form?

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>>2810697

i dunno i just tried to make this the veil of veronica but thanks i guess

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studies

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and some imagination ones

>>2810705
>>2810707
>first image feels completely different from the second one
I like the second ones better even if they're a little bit off.
Always fun to see your art.
Hopefully you never stop so I can see your end game, anon.

>>2810712
i imagined what some of the poses feel like for the imagination ones, so maybe that's why they're different?

>>2810292
the way you have it on the left kind of makes me think of a DNA molecule haha

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Screw fundies anime 4 lyfe

>>2810748
>already this good
Might as well

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I was supposed to be working on anatomy, but I couldn't unfuck my shit sufficiently today.

Back at it tomorrow, but take a look at this (instead) and tell me what sucks, what's good, what could be better.

Is it cute like this? Are they eyes too big? Too high? Stylistically, does it seem to be missing something? Etc.

>>2810760
It looks good enough, but it's also not much. A body would be nice.

>>2810639
redline looks terrible

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Random girl
I wish I could start a project and stick to it

>>2810763
I'll wish for you too, anon.

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>>2810761
I went into panic mode to try and find something recent that was full body and came up with jack shit.

This is the best I got to work with and it's neither finished nor something I'm happy with.

Daily practice I guess will iron that problem out.

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Couldn't leave the feet looking like >>2810479 . I can't hide the fact that I'm not sure how to draw shoes pointing towards the viewer and that I was too lazy to look it up, but I added a few details on the boots that I felt gave a greater suggestion of form than just a misshapen blob otherwise would. I wonder if the ankles are a bit much though. I'll call this one done in six months or so after I learn how to draw hands.

>>2810555
Thanks bud

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nu4Ohu811Vk

>>2810762
Sure.

>>2810791
I should clarify by that I mean "okay", I was mostly just giving him an idea of a better headsize to make a point. Otherwise I didn't change the drawing.

>>2810763
You have a problem with necks I think, whenever I see one of your drawings it feels as if your characters are some sort of turtles pulling their head back inside their body or something.

>>2810705
>>2810707
Those eyes are bad, it's really old style of drawing anime eyes it even gave me that ''how to draw manga'' feel, go out there and look some mango artists you like and try to add learn from their art.

>>2810109
Thanks for your feedback
>>2810167
:smirk:

>>2810180
Thanks! I dont usually post my art over here its like once every 2 months or so.
>>2810285
Thanks a lot for the critique I can see that you made the face a bit smaller i guess i draw mine way too larger.

>>2810180
http://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=10380736

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Hi, i'm 40 and I just recently got serious about drawing anime. I been practicing seriously for 2 years now and My wife says I have natural talent but I wanted to get a less biased opinion. What do you guys think? Please be as honest as possible, I'm used to people telling me that my art is good, just this morning my co worker said they wanted to hang it on the fridge

>>2810921
new meme?

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>>2810921
>>2810927

>>2810927
It's not a meme it's my work dipshit

>>2810940
what is your point?

>>2810949
you're not a bright one are you?

>>2806734
You need to pray to Loomis and repent for your sins of posting shitty crap

>>2810763
>I wish I could start a project and stick to it
this

>>2807828
>Less than a year with great practice.
>1 year with good practice.
>2 years with questionable work ethic

I doubt this heavily, it seems to take much longer. 2 years of great practice appears to be the minimum.

>>2810795
I think it's the arms

new thread >>2811098

>>2810686
I have a Twitter? I'm planning on making a manga but I have crippling doubt that I'm going to fail miserably and look like a scrub but I will try anyway

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>>2810100
The coloring looks nice. I tried to practice drawing the character in a new pose. I tried drawing 3 new views for the head. Unless required, it is otherwise recommended to always include hands. They can be another avenue of expression in a drawing. I hope it is helpful.

>>2811301
Needs more loomis

>>2808059
Can you draw in a very anime artsyle, firez? I like to see it.

>>2810298
nice style!

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>>2810298
>>2813008
Stop with the same faggin' it's so very obvious.
Also yeah, "Nice style" for sure.