/beg/ - BEGINNER THREAD

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That guy in the last thread mentioned drawball.
I haven't heard of that before, thats a realy cool thing.
Quickly drew this, tools are a bit limited.

>>2709823
are you that guy that drew that tall loli girl all those months ago without any lineweight

>>2709829
>loli
nope!

>>2709808
To the anon who said I don't have any fundamentals.

You are so fucking right, faggot. Just tried to copy a body to prove you wrong and it was so fucking bad I decided to put aside "muh style" and that animu shit for a while.

So fuck you, I won't be drawing my shit waifu until the next summer because of loomis fat cock.

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Hurr, posted in the dead thread.
First face drawing.

>>2709834
yes, yes, embrace the Loomis

What can I read to learn how to hatch correctly?

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First attempt at traditional painting, looks like a child painted it.
At least it made me think about colors a bit, even though they are way off.

>>2709834
>not drawing animu when you're frustrated of drawing muh realism

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>>2709957

>>2709961
Dumb frogposter.

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>>2709928
Second attempt even worse.

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I was doing this piece-by-piece in flash so I could put in as little effort as possible and smash the smooth/roughen button whenever my lines didn't look quite right

I'm 100% sure I need to delet this and start from scratch

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so i decided 1500 head in 8 month
bottom one is head that drawn 6 month ago top one is recent sketch
each head is sketch in 1 minutes in imagination

i don't use loomis ballplane bullshit any more it makes result even worse

>>2709977
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T7cDY7YDsg&list=WL&index=3
Watch this

>>2709967
not so bad, did you use gouache ?

>>2709983
i saw this previous one but thanks
this video makes sense

>>2709967
>>2709928

You're dogging on yourself too much. Most first paintings are very two-dimensional. Keep at it, you have great potential and your paintings are nice.

>>2709984
Yes, I did. I think the one white tube is going to be empty fast, should have bought more.
>>2709987
Alright thanks, Would going bigger help me ? Or going smaller with the brush size ?
I've only used one medium sized brush so far.

>>2709810
Urgh that muscle definition is fucking weird.

>>2709834
Your waifu will thank you for it.

>>2709983
watched it yesterday

good stuff

>>2709879
I don't think there's actually a book that addresses hatching in the sticky. Sorry anon.

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Criticise me in the softest most friendly way possible please.

Also if someone can actually recognise who this is I'll be very happy.

>>2710015
We are nice anon, just post your drawing and not that dirty piece of paper and we will criticize it fairly!

>>2710022
Fucking savage

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I'm going through James Gurney's book on color and light but that's pretty much pure theory so I have no method and no idea of what I'm doing. How's this?

>>2710015
Take the photo with your camera directly above the center of the paper and make sure to keep the camera parallel to the paper. Then resize it and someone will critique it.

>>2710026
Expanding on that, I think I could use some help from someone who knows rendering. My intuition tells me to start from the midtone, but is there a difference or an easier way?

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>>2710015
The one and only.

>>2710026
The middle is ok but the left and right areas look flat.

Is key's to drawing the best starting point for an absolute beginner?

>>2710055
Yes, now get to it.

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Reposting from dead thread. I feel like most of these are sufficiently lively but are they structurally sound?

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>>2709808
my values/color are fucking off !

im teaching myself how to draw digitally, and i was wondering if some of you could give some tips, or link some useful tutorials on color and values.. thanks

this is a work in progress ofc, but i can already tell the values are shit.

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Is there anything you should absolutely not do when stylising?

>>2709864
Someone please say something. I know there's a lot of obvious problems, especially with the proportions, but is there something not so obvious I should notice?

>>2710147
The left eye should start about one fourth of a centimetre above the yellow bead cave of the right eye?

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>>2709808
hi /beg/, i stopped making art mainly 5 months ago and started to focus on getting jobs. now i got jobs so i wanna get back to art. Art itself however, doesnt just sell.

So here´s my battle plan; pretend to be a omg lol generation cutie in order to sell a personality, and keep posting boobs and cute stuff; also blog weekly.

Would it work? I dont know what else to do and feel like i should give internet fame another chance. Like for real, working for it this time.
Any improvement or suggestion ideas will be noted down and i begin this project next weekend. It´s supposed to be character art and streaming + blog focused shit in dA + tumblr & [spoiler]reddit[/spoiler]

PS. i´ve been mainly making music and album covers for last half year, not character art. It didnt generate me money.

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Does anyone mind critiquing this?

The head's not finished.

>>2710150
as long as you're not afraid of becoming what you're pretending to be.

>>2710079
gj. i like it for what it is.

>>2709808
page gave me the okay to use my version from now on:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit#bookmark=id.15jx3pyuimvj

next time you create

>>2710150
A persona isn't necessary unless you're an asshole irl, just be nice. If you put that persona on you'll hate your fans AND yourself.

The main thing is consistency. Try not to go a day without posting. Art quality will get you there faster but you can get a fanbase easily even if you suck by finding a niche. The less people you have to compete with the better. Fan art is 75 times more popular but if your original shit is fun you'll get "real" fans for it

I'm not sure what reddit has to do with any of this

>>2710094
ayy lmao

UMMMM HIIIII EVERYONE

so I used to love to draw as an early teenager and drew often and frequently

In the past 6 years I've drawn almost nothing at all
I want to start a daily sketch book to get back into practice.

Formerly, I liked drawing in a graphing paper notebook (so it had a small grid across the whole page), until I just started drawing on sheets of computer paper.
Would it be better for me to buy a sketch book, or is a graphing paper notebook okay? I want to get back into the swing of things and also improve, so I don't want to create any bad habits

My "goal" skill wise, is to be able to draw a manga or comic book in my recreational spare time

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>>2710157
there´s nothing to lose right, deleting accounts takes 5 minutes if you call it a day and close the sales spot. and like if i start now i might reach absolute commercial level and start working as art teacher/concept artist before 30´s

>>2710171
thing about employments was that there´s 50/50 chance the thing you do for living will suck ass but then you just take different approach to it, accept what they wanted and adapt to situation.

fuck it lets do this, you never know whens gonna be the last day for you so might as well start right now & deliver.

>>2710191
UMMMMMMMM BYEEEEEEEE FAGGOT

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Doing Draw a Box line lesson. Figured I'd post these since anything else I could post would just lead to "learn fundamentals" (which happened with the last couple of posts).

Any comments on this page? I'm doing the "draw two points then make a line between them" exercise next along with more curves.

>>2710207
>Draw a box

More like Draw Allahu Akbar amIrite lads

>>2710191
>UMMMM HIIIII EVERYONE

Cut that shit.

As far as the rest of your post: Read the sticky.

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Opinions?

>>2710213
>sticky
I'm reading >>2710167
Are they the same?

>>2710219

They have pretty much the same info, go with either one.

>>2710212
Say what now? I don't get the joke/reference

>>2710022
/ic/ levels crappy humor/10

>>2710015
Scuse me if I'm wrong and that this isn't a finished piece but if it is you have a knack for drawing lightly but it is also your greatest weakness. You don't put any emphasis on deep shadows. You have a sense for proportions however from what I am looking at everything is to some degree warped. Most notably the left eye, the right shoulder, and the middle of the collar of the shirt.

>>2710219
mostly the same, formatting is better on mine. its locked to trolls as well.
>>2710218
arent you the guy i redlined last time?

>>2710026
what >>2710030 said. There is no reflective light on the bottom left corner it is a little touch but it would greatly help. The upper right needs more emphasis on light. Very faint touch but that little dot isn't enough. I wouldn't say it is entirely flat I see depth you're getting there but there are some things that can greatly improve it.

>>2710272
Probably not, it's been at least 2 weeks since I last posted here

>>2710152
fix the head, she looks like a man

>>2709864
You lack construction, study loomis.

>>2710281
Do you think I should finish Keys to Drawing first before starting Loomis?

>>2710150
>Like for real, working for it this time.
If you consider showing your tits and acting like every pedo's loli fantasy to be "working for it" then go ahead, you fucking whore.

>>2710288
Don't drop Keys, but you can look at the first chapter of Heads and Hands by loomis to get an idea of what he does to keep things together.

You don't have to lock yourself out of any other books until you finish your current one, but be sure to finish and don't get too ahead of yourself.

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I'm having trouble smoothing out my values, especially the harsher transitions. Does anyone have any advice or do I just need to keep at it?

whats the best way to practice human proportions?
whats the optimal number of lines per minute?
whats the optimal number of times one should erase a line and redraw it?

>>2710306
It looks fine really. If you want you can use a soft brush to blend a bit but don't rely on it too much.

The main issue is that it seems too dark over all.

I tried Loomis. I still can't draw from my imagination. Does my brain not work?

>>2710315
I had to go through it more than 10 times to learn. Also, Loomis is just for the basics. No matter how hard you try, you won't manage to draw as good as him just by using his books. As soon as you learn to draw from imagination, go to specific books to learn anatomy, facial features, gestures, etc

>>2710191
get ready for the grind

i can't wait to see you make it in a year or so

>>2710315
how the fuck are you supposed to be able to draw from imagination after trying loomis once and being a beginner

drawing from imagination is one of the hardest things for artists to do unless you've got an autistic-tier brain

stop putting unrealistic expectations on yourself and keep drawing

>>2710317
Alright, I'll go through it some more then do that

>>2710322
I've done it about 4 times but I understand what you're saying. I'm pretty sure I have an autistic-tier brain though but I'll keep drawing and stop having bad expectations yes

>>2710181
Ich wollen sich efreuen die Malerei die Wande Rosa mit Irhem Meme!

>>2710339
I literally don't understand why you keep doing that. It's not pretty. It's completely ugly. Learn fundamentals before doing that kind of shit

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>>2710029
yay you got it right anon!

>>2710027
why does the size matter so long as you can see my drawing? I can't resize on my phone

How do I practice on proportions? Also what's the 'ideal' height for men and women. Every book varies head size.

>>2710307
need answers

>>2709928
I really like this. I know it's hard to like your own shit, but take it from a harsh critic. This is lovely. If you want it to have a more adult/serious tone, then try muting some of the colors. Also deeper values. Just my 2c though. Also you don't seem like a beginner...

>>2710307
just drawing instead of worrying about intricacies when you're a beginner will do you so much good

>>2709864
Symbol drawing instead of construction
Learn into construction, need Loomis

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Hey, /beg/, how do I push the grotesque factor? Love you all

>>2710390
im asking because i think it would help me to know.

>>2709983
>3 hours
>PART 1
You can't be fucking serious.

>>2710400
Already pretty gross, if you plan to add colour you should try to make it shiny after finding the right light source.
also add saliva, alot.

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>>2710400
Being disgusted is a mixture of lack of understand of the form, but leaving enough key information in there to confuse the viewer about what their actually looking at. Think of the movie The Thing, or Silent hill 2 or 3 enemy design.

>>2710411
You don't like having free classes?

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>>2710411

You've always got Sycra if you've got the attention span of a goldfish, friend!

>>2710411
NGMI

>>2710413
Thanks! I'll definitely shoot for that
>>2710416
thank you as well, I'm not too sure how to implement that yet but I'm going to brainstorm a little

>>2710307
need answers

>>2710307
need answers

>>2710458
this is what i do when i dont get answers i need in a thread. ill keep doing it until im satisfied, you can play along too if you like but it wont make any difference, it will just shit up the thread more.

>>2710459
ngmi

>>2710279
Is that it?

Why loomis?

>>2710501
The meme has gone too far, that's why. Yes, he's a good teacher and it has helped people but he definitely is not for everybody. Other teachers click more and exposing yourself to as many teachers as you can until you find one that you mesh well with is important.

>but feng zhu said too many cooks in the kitchen is bad!

i understand where he comes from but i'm sure he directed that towards people who are definitely above /beg/ tier and are continuing to refine their art

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Hey guys, Gonna submit this to the Pepe Contest and could use your guidance. I know the legs and hands are fucked, cuz I'm still studying them. could you redline the rest?

>>2710532
The face is also fucked, both the cancer amphib's and your waifu's. Rewatch Proko.

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Study in preparation of my very first real painting

Handpicked colors, no tools, 1 layer, hard round brush only, final destination... trying to make the experience as close as it can be on the real deal

I wonder how it'll turn out or if this was even useful at all

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>>2709808
he looks tired, like a cool man, i wonder how he lived his life, did he succeed? was he happy? or was he sad?.
>>2707316

>>2710532
everything's fucked mate, not even memeing

>>2710648
Why? your answer is meaningless without explaining it.

>>2710709
not entirely. If someone says "everything's fucked", that means everything is fucked. There are issues throughout and there isn't an easy spot to begin deconstructing it. One of the quickest ways's to grow is to accept when someone calls your work shit, or extremely flawed and analyse why it's like that, or why they feel like that. Once you assess your flaws you can move forward to fix those.

I'll help this time, though. I don't have the free time on my hands to redline tho so hopefully another anon can come and help you. To start with, your gesture is stiff, the pose doesn't make much sense. what is she doing? why are there chunks of meat floating around her? her pose should help explain what is happening here. Furthermore, almost everything on the body is misplaced and out of proportion.

moving forward, make sure you mentally plan out her pose and what she will be doing before early construction. Then, find a fitting reference for the pose, use it to construct the pose and move forward from there.

and try not to let comments like "its trash" trigger you

Sorry, i was banned during the weekend.

>>2707698
I know hot to use perpective for a landscape but not for a still life

>>2707887
Oh, you're talking about hue shifting
I'm familiar with the concept, now I feel I just need to mix my colors differently and keep a vlue or a violet at hand.

what are some rules of thumb when drawing the figure from imagination?

>>2710859
First learn to construct it from reference. Eight heads, measuring, angles, muscles & bones, all that stuff

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How do I learn to draw dogs???

fuck, notsymboldrawing is hard work.

>>2709972
those tits look real enough

Can someone tell me the best flow and oppacity settings to draw on PS?

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First time on the board, also first time trying to make something this big over a already made draw, so i need help, like a lot because i fucked up somewhere and i don't know where, this just looks strange, i think i need to get better shadows but i don't know how to do it
It started of as this: http://imgur.com/zFD3oaS
how can i make it look less 'wrong'?

>>2710869
Animal Anatomy by Elliot Goldfinger

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>>2710869
Dig around for at least one of these books

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>>2709813
could anyone explain the flatness of this area please? I want to know what's the logic behind the entire pelvis area

How often/for how long do you usually draw? I draw in a afew 30 minutes segments during a day. I feel like if I draw any longer I start losing focus and concentration.

>>2710909
yesterday I drew for 12 hours with some shitposting breaks inbetween. After something happened earlier this year I made sure to take breaks to stretch my arms and wrists

>>2710317
So, I have to draw ugly Sphere cartoon heads for weeks on end before I can go on and do something else?

>>2710914
How in the fuck do you keep up your focus?

I'm in a make it or die kind of situation so I have to git gud fast. It might help if you set a goal for yourself or a deadline. Also when I'm done for the day and go to bed the last words that come to mind before I fall asleep are "today I struggled with X, Y and Z so tomorrow I'll focus on those subjects"

>>2710922
>>2710927
meant to reply

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>>2710873
I think this is it, i can't go any further, does it look good /ic/? can it get better? i still have the "something looks wrong" feeling

>>2710927
Can I ask you how you work on getting gut?
I'm currently an hobbyist but I seem to lack a lot of focus. Do you just go through the books recommended here religiously one by one, or do you just draw what you want and then take knowledge from said books when you need it.

>>2710930
The hair/beard looks unnatural and kinda like it's been nailed to the face.
Try making it more part of the whole figure with natural transitions / colours

>>2710930
I don't know how to say it, but the beard has "too strong" colour compared to other parts of your picture.

>>2710931
>do you just draw what you want and then take knowledge from said books when you need it.
I'm going at it this way because I struggle with books but I also have a specific goal in mind so my studies are 100% related to the things I need.

Studying should be fun but also hard work so If I'm having a hard time with something I'll make it fun. for example drawing a cat with a bunch of arms coming out of it if that's what I'm studying at the moment

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>>2710934
>>2710933
is it "getting better"? if so i will redo it with patience.

>>2710942
Still looks layered to me..

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>>2710942
>Final Final Final Final Final Final Final Final Final Final

>>2710942
>>2710949
>>Final Final Final Final Final Final Final Final Final Final
this hit too close to home

>>2710944
then i don't know what else to do, i might just roll with it, so, which one of the fucked ones was better? i don't want to present something too shit for my friend

>>2710930
this one
>>2710942
this one or
>>2710873
this one?

>>2710951
>>2710949
this happens even more when i'm making tokens or the pixel animation i sometimes work with. Trying to make a living from programing on my country is so hard that i get forced to do pixel art for third world minecraft channels

>>2710307
need answers

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hey guys when you draw cloth from a reference do you copy the exact folds or just make it like when you're drawing hair?

pic related

>>2710962
well, at least for me its better to not copy or you will end up with too random folds if you are using a new pose

>>2710962
less is more when it comes to things like that

>>2710307
>>2710388
>>2710446
>>2710953


nobody knows. stop thinking too much. just fucking draw noob.

>>2710966
what do you mean by "too many random folds"?

>>2710969
i dont need an exact answer just like "about 10" would do.

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>>2710942
add the details now

>>2711003
i will try anon, i will be back in some hours.

Where do I go or look in order to study up on painting and all that

>>2711016
bob ross

>>2710538
>>2710648
It's ok to be jealous, guys . Btw, i don't even watch proko, i went the route of Loomis, surprised you couldn't tell. XD

Where the hell is the red line i requested?

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>draw a leg
>can't make the other leg feel natural at all
how can I make them work? during the gesture phase everything looks ok but it falls apart as soon as I try to give structure to them

>>2711032
you don't, draw long dresses

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>>2711037
that explains everything

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>>2711003
>>2711004
i may have fucked it up again with these eyebrows

>>2711045
Yep, maybe start with something new or use more references

>>2710307
need memes

>>2710481
stop posting that fucking garbage

>>2710481
I always see your stuff and the biggest turnoff is the white space

if you work on a different canvas then your pieces will be much more appealing as you play with more colors

How am i supposed to magically (ses)¸„.-•~1°”ˆ˜¨ see ¨˜ˆ”°1~•-.„¸(

>>2711081
it makes sense, thank you!

>>2711085
Simplify everything in big 3d blocks, then sculpt away gradually to make the planes
If you fucked up somewhere, it means the previous step was missing or was shit

Things occupy a volume IRL and so that volume can be drawn

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First time poster. This is usually the quality the characters I draw have. Is there anything that desperatly needs improvement that I´m missing, if so how could I improve my skills?
I´m using this type of drawing in a from scratch-comic book project I´ve started.

>>2711129
Is he being sodamized by that rock? He certainly doesn't look like he is being crushed, just slightly dissatisfied

>>2711132
Well idk, it's not fatal I'll tell you that.

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I have some questions

if i'm doing the change from wrist to shoulder I'm allowed to use wrist on details?

how i'm supposed to paint the eyes on a digital painting, on a layer under the skin, or on the same layer?

Any source on a good skin painting vid/tut/book out there?

pic unrelated

>>2711210
>if i'm doing the change from wrist to shoulder I'm allowed to use wrist on details?
Yes, in the end you need to be able to freely use your arm however you want it. Just don't push your wrist into the desk or cramp up.

>how i'm supposed to paint the eyes on a digital painting, on a layer under the skin, or on the same layer?
depends on style and method, learn them and you will know

Christ I hate drawing spherical/cylindrical forms. No matter what I do they turn out like shit, especially arms/legs. I can't get them right no matter what I do.

>>2711129
If you go for functional, it kind of works, but not much else. It's total amateur level in a weird comfort zone.

maybe check this out if you care only about your style: https://design.tutsplus.com/tutorials/how-to-learn-to-draw-stage-four-style--cms-25387

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First attempt at using construction to draw from still life.

>>2711229
looks good for a first time anon

>>2711229
Put your subject on a white sheet of paper and try to have as few light sources as possible

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Babby's first charcoal portrait, neck is too long

I can barely draw cubes from any angle from imagination letalone from what I look at in person. How many still lifes do I have to practice before going back to figure drawing? Trying to draw people makes me want to kill myself.

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Tips on drawing realistic plate armor? It looks good through the gesture stage but then I end up with with armor that looks sheets of paper taped on to the body instead of actually adding width. How much bulkier does plate armor actually make a human figure?

>>2711221
By amateur level, do yo mean that it lacks realism or that it lacks style?

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Part 1?

>>2711281
the average pleb will be amazed by this
post it on deviant art and get that ego boost senpai

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>>2709811
Feedback pls

>>2711293
terrible redline

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>>2711293
>>2711298
thought I'd work on the figure a bit more

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*spits onto a piece of paper*

>>2711315
now study anatomy and do it again

>>2709864
This made me kek quite hard.

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>>2711318

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>>2711333
Go study some loomis
I don't want to see another one of your balding human-cat-egg hybrids ever again

>>2711333
I recommend sculptor's guide to anatomy. It doesn't baby you so you actually have to learn it properly unlike with other artists' proportions like loomis. Although it looks like loomis wouldn't hurt either.

>>2711335
I should infer the gratification of applause to you
>>2711336
I should infer the gratification of applause also to this party

>>2711315
>>2711333
jesus christ how horrifying

>>2711345
Yes

>>2711344
Are you human?

>>2710232
he is talking about the whole draw-a-box=isis thing.

>>2711362
No; I'm an alien who wastes post-space on Beginner Threads on 4chan, and am from Neptune

>>2711368
I bet you're one of those terrestrial "cranks" who use the "Tommorrow" style.

question, I hate sakimichan's style with a passion, i'm a tasteless faggot?

>doing cloth study
>relying on natural lighting
>drawing really slowly
>sun is setting
>if I turn on the light I have to redo the entire thing

fuck.

>>2711382
Should just store it in your memory, pal.

>>2711375
hating someone for things that don't affect you is a waste of energy

Should I stop trying to draw circles when I make a foundation of the head?

>>2711405
why do you ask

>>2711405
For what purpose?

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Critique?

How do I get good at drawing?

>>2711441
you draw everyday

>>2711424
Nose is a bit too long and angled to the right too much which affected your placement of the lips. Right eye upper lid is a little far from the eyebrow

>>2711424
Try to use a blending brush to give form to the shapes

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Im trying to get back into the groove of drawing. Wanted to do something static but chaotic at the same time, its not going so well...

>>2711467
Next time take a photo straight on and without your pencils and erasers in it, and post in the main Draw Thread, you are too high level for the Beginner Thread.

As for your drawing, I think just putting some sort of interesting design or pattern on the clothing is all it needs and it would look really nice.

>>2711382

This guy here.

>turn on light
>start from scratch
>halfway done, but someone comes in
>rips towel of chair, moves the chair

such is life with roommates.

Is there any way for me to speed up, or should I just continue doing this over and over. Because a single cloth study takes like 3-4 hours for me.

>>2711501
Why don't you just draw from a reference on the internet?

>>2711504

Because it's not as fun for some reason, it's stupid but what can I say.

>>2711509
But suretly much better if you know that you aren't able to finish it in time whit out something happening to the light or the thing itself.

>>2711501
Tell your roommate not to touch it or get smaller fabrics and put em on your desk so know one fucks with them.

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Would someone (preferably multiple people) please draw around these construction lines for me. i want to see how someone else might do it, i think it might help me see some problems i might have in this area.

also if anyone can spot any problems with the lines as they are now, please do go ahead and tell me.

its a human female.

thanks in advance.

>>2711541
i think the dome of the skull should be spherical.

also if you are to post here, clean the lines. its more precise and can better expose flaws.

>>2711567
first I would erase them and then redraw them correctly

>>2711269
Go look at cosplayers. It makes them a lot thicker than you might suspect.

this might be more of a technical question than a drawing question but here goes:

I have just received a wacom intuos3 9x12, and it's acting strangely. I plug it into my win7 desktop (which before was using an intuos3 6x8 without issue) and it comes up as 'usb device not recognized'. I install the software fresh on a win8 laptop, plug the tablet in, and it works fine. Then I picked it up and balanced it on one edge, and it suddenly disconnected and the laptop started giving the same 'device not recognized' that the desktop was giving.

So it works on fresh installs until you fuck with it (maybe jitter the cord, maybe something else), and then it won't be detected correctly. But otherwise, it does work.

How can I prevent this unreliable behavior? I see nothing like it happening with the 6x8 tablet, and they appear to be identical aside from the size of the drawing space.

>>2710904
I'm not an anatomy expert or anything but I think in skinnier/fit girls the reason that that area is flat is because the lack of bodyfat between the crest of the hip and that bone that sticks out for the leg.

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>>2710904
>>2710904
that is just fat. some women have it flat while some have it more round

>>2711571
are you actually the worst poster on this general?

i am precisely here for advise, shit i even mentioned it in my post.

constructive criticism or leave.

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What am I doing wrong? Like I'm obviously doing something wrong, it looks like a solid object, not cloth.

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finished this still life.

>>2709808
trying forward outward jaws work
am i geting gud?

>>2710218
>>2710272
>>2710276
DEJA VU
i already see this drawing before

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>>2711637
i forgot the image

>>2711652
noses protrude more than you think they do
so do chins
so do brows
so do upper eyelids.
Eyes are not two identical curves on top of one another.

I like to learn things my way. I'm scared that by learning everything in the FAQ "by the books" is going to make me boring by putting my creative thought into a box where I only know how to draw "by the books". Is this a common fear? Is it the truth? I'm going to start drawing, snd I want to know if I'm either going to turn into a drone, or disregard years worth of advice from books and rot in my own self complacency.

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>>2711656
like so?
if its the same thing, red line pls like that i will understand it better

>>2711668
Everyone is different, but there's a threshold where something is definitely off (I don't mean this one in general and im sure that anon didn't mean it either) Just study some faces from that view and notice how far out things are in relation to one another.

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>>2711670
ok last one, i think it might be where the jaw ends, or better meets the hear i pushed it a bit to the back. but i dont get it this kinda escapes the Looms constrution

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Alright you motherfuckers, tomorrow is the day I begin my art practice. You can help me choose which resource I use first.

1.) Draw A Box
2.) New Masters Academy/Vilppu Academy
3.) Book PDF (Loomis/Bert Dodson/Burne Hogarth)

Which would you recommend?

>>2711115
Now I wonder why does this thought fly off as i get back to still life painting. I mean, it is supposed to be like so, but it just falls off and turns into some lazy copying in the process.
It's not a thing when I'm doing my weeby scribbles or perspective corridors, after all.
>>2711667
Don't you overstimate "your way"? I doubt it's even worth making a tumblr tutorial.
You're supposed to apply the book knowledge to your drawings and not just grind the stuff without a thought, so this shouldn't bother you.
>>2711703
Why don't you try each and see which seems to boost you up better and/or stay comprehensible at least?

>>2711703

Keys to drawing. Do Draw a Box whenever you get bored, no need to stick to any one resource too stubbornly as to exclude others.

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Well, so far i am happy with what i achieved with loomis. The proportion thingy and bert dodson book were amazing.

by the way, i need a shading techniques book. Any recommendations?

also need redline on the beard guy in pic related.

>>2711775
Much better anon, keep it up. Face as a whole should slant more towards stage right; you added too much of a lump on his forehead and exaggerated the slant of his eyeliner. Ear should start a little further down, and should be thinner.
Pay attention to the transition between the beard and face - you drew it as a clear contour, but it's really a gradual transition.

remember to stretch your wrists and arms everyday senpais

>>2711703
it figuratively doesn't matter

>since there isnt an art feels thread up right now

was setting up a new hard drive and copied my folder that had all my ref/tutorials/finished png works/psd files etc. when in to the hard drive and made sure everything opened and then deleted the original off the ssd. turns out i just make a short cut and lost all that stuff. all my finished work that im proud of is saved to blogs and the current stuff wasnt in the folder but there was like dozens if not hundreds of figure and portrait study/outlines in there. i feel like i should be mad about this but i feel nothing. it was like 5gs worth of stuff kek

>>2711465
Which is the blending brush in SAI?

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>>2711569

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>>2709808
what do you guys think? It' my best work, finished it today

>>2711922
More anatomy

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this is really year of bullshit
i'm recently doing 2 stuff

draw fuck ton of head in various angle this year

and another one is personal shitty comic study

why i'm doing this is... to understand form.

and nobody gives shit rides never
ends

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>>2711951
For God's sake, may somebody help you (blank)! Breathe, breathe, breathe. You can't do anything, you're worthless. But hush - the secret is (blank).

That said, those head drawings reminded me something. How am I supposed to connect chin and neck? Whenever I want to tilt the head up somehow or draw it from below, it ends up looking as if the face melts into neck or, i don't know, as if there are two different planes not connected to each other in any way; pic related.

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>>2711970
be cause i can't figure it out

>>2711970
watch the 3 hour class on the head the anon keeps posting every single thread and you'll understand a bit better

>>2711863
wow. just checked a flashdrive and i managed to salvage a good 1.8gs of the the important stuff.

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How shit?
>>2711326
It's good my practice brings joy to someone, have some more anon-kun.

>>2711986
cheek is too long. you can fit the white and iris/pupil part of her right eye in the whites of her left eye

>>2711986
Stop pussying out on your values. If you're going to draw values for the ear and eyes then do it for the whole face.

The right eye and the mouth stretch too far to the right. You've got the basic skills but you need to start measuring before you put down new lines.

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>make abomination
>somehow I like it and it draws my attention and can't stop looking at it
is this how picasso felt about his paintings?

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>>2711608
First, don't give up before painting even a 10% of your subject.
Look at my image, what do you see? It's a cutout from a photo of a cloth. But you can't tell, because you're presented only with some isolated shapes. They don't represent a cloth by themselves, only colors and values. Only when you put them together with all other shapes can you see what they represent.

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>>2710389
Another study attempt, I've been trying to paint without black, since I've read that would help. But I feel looking back at it now maybe black would help it bring it closer to the original. And improve my values ?
How would I desaturate colors in actual paint ?

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>>2710904
tried again

>>2711586
>>2711600
thank you guys. I did some reading and testing and your advice helped me

>>2712027
what size are you working with. any ways, im >>2711612
using gouache as well and thats my second still life so im not sure how much you value my input. but with digital desaturated looks closer to 'grey' so basically you need to mix black AND white with the hue youre using.

>>2712033
>>2712027
also what are you studying these from? and now that i think about it i dont think your supposed to get to try to get too realistic with gouache, like its supposed to be fairly saturated hence its opaque properties. i could be full of shit about that though

>>2712027
To desaturate colours: keep adding small amounts of blue, red, and then half the amount of yellow and then double the amount of white as you added red; this will saturate the colour to -10 per gram of red.

Is it fine if I start with "Fun WIth a Pencil"?

I've skimmed through "Keys to Drawing" and "The New Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain" but so far, I think I prefer Loomis' educational entertainment approach.

>>2712043
Yea, go ahead.

>>2712033
I like your still life, can't really comment on it because I'm only just starting to paint with paints. But thanks I will try adding grey to it next time.
>>2712039
These are studies from Ivan Shishkin's paintings.
>>2712042
Thank you for the advice, I will also try it your way.

>>2712033
Sorry, forgot to mention, the size is around 20x16 cm for all of them

>>2712048
looks much better now senpai

>>2712047
i just did a bit of googling and found this. confirming this anon >>2712042

http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=551223

so adding grey is passable technique but the other way is the preferred 'you know wtf youre doing way'

>>2712051
thanks! why do you think so?

>>2712069
there is no white coming out of nowhere to disrupt the flow of the patterns. the hand area looks pretty good

>>2711567
need answer

whats the best way to practice human proportions?
whats the optimal number of lines per minute?
whats the optimal number of times one should erase a line and redraw it?

>>2712073
lol

>>2712073
Life
60
1

please confirm this mans opinions >>2712085

>>2712048
Slavoj Zizek

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It's nowhere near being finished, but I wanted to know how it's looking so far...if I need to change anything...it's my first time drawing a human...also, if you guys have any body references that might go well with this that would be very appreciated!!

>>2712102
looks aight but at the same time you've obscured half of the head with the hair.

draw the rest of the jawline in, its the hardest part

>>2712103
Yeah I plan on making the hair smaller...I don't really want the hair to be transparent...I covered the face because the character I'm trying to draw, Mercy, would look that way in my style...

>>2712102
>it's my first time drawing a human
And man it shows
Have you only doing sonic OCs or something?
Also, line-art is terrible
http://friendlyhand.deviantart.com/journal/Tips-for-smooth-clean-line-art-359879866

>>2712018
Is this an accurate John? Could you show me your Johns from Andrew Loomis' description to give me some direction?

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>>2712111
looks kinda like suzy from little witch academia

>>2712113
Kek no, I've been doing arguably worse things...

Thanks for the help though! I do need to clean up my lines, and I wanna get it at least a little bit right before Christmas...

Does anyone have a turtorial for Eye lids?
As much as i draw eye lids from reference i just can't get them right. And my eyes always come out like shit.

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Just getting into drawing on GIMP, wtf are all these different image sizes, what do they mean? Is there like a standard for working on something like a web comic?

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reminder that the only reason to insult someone here is if they arent taking it seriously or trying hard enough.

reminder to respond to people who have questions.

reminder that we are all here to improve and get better.

>>2712138
>webcomic
>web
no printing standards bro, it could be 4x123423 for all it matters, just do what seems sensible to you.

>>2712140
>reminder that the only reason to insult someone here is if they arent taking it seriously or trying hard enough.

you forget about not reading the sticky, anon. That sin decerves the divine punishment from loomis

>>2712138
The image sizes are presets so you can easily create images of the right size. You can also add your own presets in the image template dialog.

for web comics there is no standard.

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Quick self-portrait. Critiques please?

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quick figure from imagination. I'd like a redline if possible, because this is pretty much the limit of the extent of my ability

>>2712187
I like your neat and delicate lines. Mine are always messy.

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Critique kind sir, if you don't mind

>>2712140
Funny you post that but whenever somebody's honest attempt at fundamentals gets slammed (mainly by that guy who shows up on weekens 4AM EST) I'm the only guy telling off the troll while being trolled myself/accused of samefagging.

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what

the

fuck

>>2712205

What?

>>2712205
>drawabox meme

>>2712177
>>DA tier.

>>2712196
How?

Is Draw a Box good? Why is it such a meme?

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How did i do?

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>>2712225

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>>2712228

>>2712225
symbol drawn lips
>>2712230
bent arm sucks the rest is good

resize to 1000 px long side next time pls

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>>2712209
>>2712211
H E L P

>>2712230
biceps definitely to short
right shoulder is to lumpy and out of perspective and bigger that the left one
shouldnt neglet drawing the arms

>>2712236
and the question?

>>2710416
looks like some 3D egon schiele

>>2712244
what'd you fucking think cunt he doesn't understand the shite he posted

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>>2711025
>giv guidance
>dont be jel

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>>2712236
think about a loaf of bred and a knife

the example is explaining how from the top it will look like a straight line but from a different perspective you have to "see" the direction the flat plane is intersecting the cylinder

don't give up senpai

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>>2712251
>he

>>2712214
What does that mean?

>>2712259
if you are >>2712177 he is likely calling your drawing edgy and gay

>>2712260
Wow, gay AND edgy. I can feel ok about that.

>>2712254
that's cute anon

>>2711567
need answer

>>2712321
Hey this person needs an answer! Let's help him!

>>2712333
you should, this would be a really shit thread if people didnt answer the questions of beginners

>>2712187
Vag's too high up. It's a box stuck to the bottom of the torso pointing down.

>>2712321
Stop spamming, you Yid, you're blowing what little chance you have of getting an answer

>>2712321
Post your reference. You could infer numerous poses based on that generic pose you drew

>>2712375
there was no reference
is it bad that one can infer numerous poses from those lines? if so, what can i do to change that?

>>2712377
No I'm not saying it's bad, it's just generic. I'll do a construction pic for you in a bit

>>2712381

>>2712386
thank you friend.
i think its correct to draw simple things when one is just getting the grasp of it

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ANY TUTORIALS teaching in english how to color like this???????

>>2712637
>flats
>shadows
>blend
>erase to give the blended areas some sharpness where it needs it
>highlight
there you go senpai

>>2712683
i'm a beginner, kouhai

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any help on where to go with this?

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>>2711424

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>>2711424

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abomination: the painting