/beg/ - BEGINNER THREAD

>>2672409
is it necessary to spam so much gay shit
so many questions have been drowned in pic spam

>>2672446
>uncomfortable looking at naked men, even in a non-sexual context

sounds like someone's not secure in their sexuality...

>>2672446
C'mon, there's only like eight pictures at the start of every thread, and it's nice to have something to draw if you're feeling uncreative.

>>2672448
>>2672450
threadly reminder not to reply to bait lads

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>tfw measuring proportions just fucks my shit up 8/10 times
>tfw better at and more comfortable with eyeballing proportions when drawing

Is this normal or am I just extremely autistic

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Already posted this but ehh. I hope to start improving because I got new drawing books in the mail this week.

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>>2672465
Why is there such a crazy discrepancy in eye size? Even with the eye's being as huge as they are where they would wrap around the head, the eye height wouldn't change just from a head turning, the distance isnt so great to require that perspective distortion.

>>2672460
Sometimes you just need to power through things and practice hard to become comfortable with that which makes you uncomfortable. However if you're getting the results you want with just eyeballing, then more power to you, go for it. It's all about practicing and finding the techniques that help you achieve your desired end results.

>>2672490
I get ya. I really was messing around and wanted to get back into the swing of drawing.

I wished Figure Drawing Loomis had more on Heads and Hands :/

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>>2672502
He.. he had a whole book on it. What more do you want?

>>2672490
because he's muhstyling it and doesn't understand how eyes work fully yet

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>>2672506
I tried

>>2672517
I don't have that one. I should have bought that one when I had money though.

How good is it?

And more specifically I said I wished the heads and hands section in Figure Drawing For All Its Worth was more in depth

>>2672517
So should Figure Drawing For All It's Worth be good for now?

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>>2672535
He didn't have an extensive section on head and hands in his Figure Drawing because he wrote a whole book on it.

Here you go:
http://www.alexhays.com/loomis/Andrew%20Loomis%20-%20Drawing%20the%20Head%20and%20Hands.pdf

Btw you sure like to explain/excuse a lot. There's no need to be so evasive.

>>2672541
i bet you he's going to make an excuse about how he wants physical copies now

>>2672544
More or less yeah. No need to be an ass though

I have one of Bridgman's books and use that instead. Though Loomis aint so bad and I can come back to Heads and Hands.

>>2672550
>No need to be an ass though
>Gives you book with the information you seek
>Gives you feedback

Not everything is a personal attack

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How do I get better at doing small details

Thinks like shoelaces and hand weaving or any sort of interlocking I have constant trouble with
As well as putting extra features on the face, such as where the shape of the cheek bones go and temple lines or just anything that's not exclusive to mouth/nose/ears/eyes

>>2672554
I mean being accusatory is being pretty assholeish if you don't listen to my side honestly.

>>2672550
Where the fuck do you think you are?

>>2672557
Honestly? Practice and patience.

The extra features for the face is from the exclusion/inclusion of details. Something over-defined vs suggested.

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So just so you anons don't make my same mistake, this is what happens when you rush. You miss certain aspects even by a little bit and everything is slightly off.

>you'll make the same mistake anyways when learning

>>2672614
god why do I always rush, what do you anons do too slow down?

>>2672616
Patience and listening to calming music. I can help to walk away from something and come back to it later fresh if youre getting frustrated.

>>2672616
Draw the same thing like 20 times.

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>>2672416

anon how do I into lips?

>>2672740
Draw the shapes and values as they appear on the reference.

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Here are my first attempts at Loomis and I feel like nothing has clicked for me yet other than the measuring. Might finish this book and give Hogarth a try.

Sorry about the lines and erasing

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Can someone fill me in on what is going on with this girl's eyes?

>>2672845
you mean in the photo? that's perspective

>>2672848
It just confused me a bit because it looks so flat

>>2672845
dragging everything too far top right, look at that eye on our right-side for example, it shouldn't be further right than the nose tip but there it goes, weee, flying off out over there

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>>2672845
Look at the negative space between the nose and the edge of the face anon.
You also shrunk the size of her head but kept her features the same size.

>>2672409
Why do her eyes do the thing? Is she squinting?

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>>2672626
>>2672649
fuck me how do i get the right one to look like the left one? just keep doing it?

>>2672874
measure everything.

>>2672868
probably an asian thing, they're weird creatures

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>>2672740

>>2672874
the p word

>>2672874
Well one thing, notice how in your "not traced" sketch, a lot of your lines are ending up very straight and parallel to the x and y axis of the canvas. In the "traced" version, the comparable lines are curved and often at a different angle. You also have a tendency to line up the features of the face, most notably around the jaw giving it a "bulging" appearance. whereas in the reference, the features follow the gentle curves of the head.

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>>2672845

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Did some quick figures, am i feeling it

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Drawing from imagination is not easy familams

>>2672874
You need to actively do your best to think in form not contour.

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>>2672888
good observations, i'll keep that in mind. Did this earlier.

>>2672898
right, I find myself getting carried away with the contours/ details.

>>2672887
haha yeah, that's the key right?

>>2672878
That's the thing i'm having most difficulty with. I keep goofing somewhere along the line.

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finished it (little accident in the process)
I try drawing mobble to summon her !!!

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>>2672925
some imagination work c:

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>>2668642

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>>2672845
Alright, I did another one I think it turned out so much better. Still obviously shit but at least im making progress? (also i made OP image)

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>>2672940
I think the two most noteable flaws in this is

-the eyes are too close together, the eye on our right (her left eye) needs to be a bit further out.

-The line/shadow defining her chin is much too straight and over defined. It should show the soft curve of her chin by both having softer edges to the shadows (like shading a ball) and following the curve of the chin.

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I draw this by hand and then scanned it, colored it with Krita until this point... but didnt saved it like a krita project... just saved the stupid jpg u.u is frustrating...

>>2672925
>>2672927
please stop uploading blurry photos.

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>>2672968
Yeah i'm really sorry for that :/.
One anon tried to help me but i think the focus of my phone is broken or something and i can't really buy a new one. It's not that bad out of focus i think.

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>>2672968
is that better ?

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this

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here is a still life wip. got tired of drawing heads for today.

>>2673011
You should probably start by painting in larger masses with a large brush first like you kind of did in your thumbnail

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I fucked up.

>he fell for the starting by copying heads meme

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>>2672992
Last one, going to sleep !

>>2673016
Your drawing shows your lack of judgment on value, you must be clear in your head whether you want to do value or not.

>>2672756
It's a good start fa m. Go ahead and move on to another book if loomis doesn't click with you.

Also try applies loomis' construction technique to a face from a reference or imagination to see if it's stuck.

>>2672896
looks fine to me anon

>>2672897
Did you post this in the last thread? In any case I feel like lineweight would add a lot of what's missing to this. The arm seems a little out of perspective and the pose is stiff overall but it's an okay beginner's work.

>>2672931
the far thigh seems a little thick. Otherwise cut the feathery lines and it'll be reasonable.

>>2672955
Not memeing you, read loomis. Keys to drawing may also help. Lots of symbols and not a lot of substance in there anon.

>>2672960
I feel you anon. A few things I'll point out anyway: Eyes are a bit far apart. Doesn't appear to have any form where it feels like there should be on the back and a little on the neck. The blue butterfly in her hair doesn't have enough contrast imo. Also I don't know what's going on with the hair but if the hair is blowing that extremely to the left, her fringe should also. Ear, nose eyes and lips come of as symbols in an otherwise reasonably accurate piece.

>>2672992
I'm a different anon but that doesn't bother me. Colours are good and it looks like apples, but I'm not sure what the other bits are. Sharper edges or more contrast could help.

>>2672994
Did you want a critique for this? I love snoots but there's not a lot to talk about here.

>>2673011
Seems fair enough. Some of your shapes are slightly off; the pouring part of the jug and the handle specifically. Perspective on the lower part too. My advice for fixing it, if you choose to accept it, is to consider negative space as well as just the subject to get a good idea of how things fit.

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>>2672992
Thanks, they are pic related (french food i guess)

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>>2673033
forgot pic

>>2673028
I always try to use value to emphasize my construction but with a well light reference I crash and burn every time.

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>>2673037
It's funny because i don't even construct anymore, not consciously or very few times.
I think it's more important that the 'construction stuff' happens in your head, you have to feel it.

As you can see in pic related (scan so not blurry hehe) i don't construct anything i just have a good time laying values, but i can only do that because i've grinded fundies for a full year, and i've started drawing only 2 years ago.

Has anyone ever actually progressed enough to leave this thread?

>>2673058
No, it's impossible. For we are always beginners. Once we master something, there is a new thing we must begin. And thus the cycle continues.

>>2673060
Everyone should have a beginner's mindset sure, but people do progress. It should only really takes maybe a year or less to get good enough to post in the main draw threads.

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>>2673041
Is there a progression of exercises for learning values that one should do, or do you just keep shading spheres and cubes?
I've used a couple books but they never really offered anything.

>>2673060
Alright, that's what I was afraid of. Guess I'll go see if there's an intermediate since nobody here knows what they're doing.

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Not sure if this is the right board/thread to ask this, but I want to start to get into drawing and invested in a cheap tablet. Question is, what program should is use as a poorfag who can't afford photoshop, what's the best free app to get, GIMP maybe?

>>2673041
right page looks really nice, left page shows your weaknesses. That house and fence on the bottom look very flat and way beneath the level of your portraits on the right page. Fences are more than just flat planes attached to rectangular prisms, and that shading on the house looks really irregular.

>>2673112
Register for CGPeers.com on the 15th (which is when registration is next open) and then torrent photoshop for free. you're welcome

>>2673122
Thanks, holmes.

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How can I practice rotating objects in 3D space?

I'll be honest lads, I'm fucking wank at it. I'm doing Drawabox and it says 'if you're not good at rotating forms in 3d space, you need to be!' and basically leaves it there

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Did one a few threads ago but never got criticism. What should I improve on?

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Used to love drawing (nothing more serious than doodles). Trying to regain my spark

>>2673153
the sticky will help in that endeavor

>>2673112
If you want coolorus extension I can pack it in an image and post it here sometime.

>>2673153
Reading books and looking at life helps. Anything to get your mind working. Looking at other artworks can help too, but that's a bit more fading unless it really had an impact on you. Creation through our imagination is powerful and better.

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>>2673065
If books aren't helping just work it out yourself. Grab a (high contrast is easiest to start with imo) picture, turn it black and white and study it. Draw your forms first though. If you're drawing in pencil use something dark and soft.

>>2673098
alt style might be able to help you more; if you want a critique on something specific say so though.

>>2673132
>Piece of printer paper
>Draw grid on it
>Place item on it (eg. a can, apple or something else simple)
>Draw item sitting on grid
>Include grid
>???
>Profit

>>2673136
Those chicken scratch lines are a habit you want to lose quickly. Not so bad if you don't draw regularly but if you do it'll cost you in materials and potentially damage your wrist and shoulders. You've got some 'symbols' going on; you're drawing the eyes, nose and mouth like you think they should look instead of how they actually look. This is what gives it the cartoony feel. Also the lack of a neck. I recommend Loomis or some other introductory text on drawing the face (Fun with a Pencil) or Keys to Drawing. You can find them in the book thread or by googling.

>>2673153
Hi anon, welcome if you weren't already a lurker. Have a look at the sticky and try the exercises it suggests. One major problem I can see is the symbol drawing (see above), and a poor understanding of anatomy. The harsh cut of between the skull and the face is also unrealistic and it looks like two images spliced together instead of one coherent piece. It's an excellent start though. Threw together a shitty image of what I mean; it's not quite 1:1 but hopefully the point is clear enough.

>>2673175
>Draw grid on it
>Place item on it (eg. a can, apple or something else simple)
>Draw item sitting on grid
>Include grid
I don't understand

>>2673132
By drawing boxes to be honest.
It's more of a mental thing than anything. You just have to learn how to do it. It's like believing there's a flat earth. Trying rotating a box in 45 degree increments to the right then do that to the sky and the ground, etc. If you can do a box, you can do other things too. Like an organic shape.

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huh

>>2673206
You fudged your perspective unless that was the intention.

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>>2673016

>>2673186
You're making me want to cry

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>>2673175
i'll try to work on that one mor until a clear problem emerges, thanks!

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>>2673181
This is what I meant. Ideally with a finer grid but it's to help you get an idea of how much space an item takes up.

excuse the shit quality pic I have a shitty iphone 4

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>>2673222
ah shit I file sized myself; here's a smaller version.

>>2672889
>eyelids work like lips
SINCE WHEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Why the fuck are women so hard to draw.

I know how to draw a man. Men are easy to draw. You can emphasize structure.

Women? No fucking luck. All soft curves. One slip up with the brush, just a little warble or a little too heavy with the ink, and you're fucked. Pic related is beautiful. But for whatever reason I can't even copy it. I can't even look at my attempts, I have to black them all out.

It just makes me want to find some random woman and bash her fucking head in.

And don't give me that Loomis/Vilppu/Proko shit. I know all that, I'm just venting.

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I posted this a while back but I forgot to post the finished work after the comments I got.

>>2672889
>tfw try to do this whole wrapping shit around the eyeball
>still looks like ass
WEw lad

>>2673258
Man I wish I were you. For me it's exactly the opposite, and no matter how much I wish I could draw handsome men, they all turn out to look feminine in the end

>>2673393
Just own it and draw qt femboys

>>2673393

How though? The boney landmarks of the face are inherently masculine.

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>>2672415
Guide me on construction and rendering. Halp

>>2673248
Eyelids work like the lips in that they are a dimensioned layer laid on a curved surface, although the lips have more variation in shape in two of the dimensions.

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>buy drawing supplies
>1 month later they get here
>no time to try the new toys out
>also hurt my wrist
>Drawabox is calling me
>mfw

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>>2673405
but i don't want to
>>2673417
dunno, it just happens

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this is too hard. someone call me a faggot and motivate me to finish it

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>>2673439
FORGOT TO RESIZE

>>2673440
You're almost done and you're going to be a huge fucking faggot and give up?

Pathetic as fuck. No one remembers the guy who gave up. Don't even bother finishing it, someone with no work ethic like you can ever make it. Just go back to wasting your time.

>>2673440
Wow it's improved a lot since I last saw it.

Looks a bit flat, and those steps are kinda small compared to the people.

Still, finish it, faggot.

>>2673440
fucking hell you've been at this for ages, move on already, you're #NotGonnaMakeIt wasting weeks on 1 piece

>>2673439

It just happens because you're lazing in a rut. Use shapes you don't normally use.

>>2673258
Not being able to draw creatures with clear and simple bodyshape and featureless faces makes me believe you are retarded.
Now show me those male studies. I bet they are much worse than your female ones.

If I want to draw mostly from nature, and I'm not interested in drawing from imagination, at least right now, the bst exercise is actually doing that, right? I'm an absolute beginner, and right now I mostly practise with circles, elipses, boxes and lines, to get used to drawing and to be more accurate and clean in my drawings. Of course I need to learn to draw what I acutally see, learn about the perspective and measuring, what books should I try? I started reading Drawing on the right side, and I got the Loomis' books, which one of them should I start with?

>>2673454

Thinking simpler likenesses are easier to draw than more complex ones makes me think you're the retarded one here.

It's a universally recognized observation that the elderly are much easier to draw than infants for exactly this reason.

Men are more angular and have more landmarks. More angles = easier to calculate. More landmarks = easier to construct. With a man it's easy to add definition. You can build off of the skull, work with straighter lines, in general get away with much form-defining detail which evenly distributes the load.

Smooth rolling curves and more open faces have fewer features, which means that the features that are there (eyes, lips, etc) carry much more weight and require a much more distinguishing and experienced touch.

So get the fuck outta here with your bullshit.

>>2673446
okay ill finish it to spite you

>>2673447
thanks for the encouragement. i dont think im at the skill level to fix the flatness though. yeah i just did some math and the stairs are a bit small. i should have something like have of what i have. ill rework that bit soon

>>2673451
i get bored and do other stuff. i havent touched this in weeks. and im not trying to make it btw bb

>>2673459
You're an idiot.
You think why every beginner likes to draw anime girls? Because they are simple and easy constructed just like real women.

More details and complicated shapes=harder to get it right.

>>2673475

Beginners gravitate towards anime because it's radically stylized and makes extensive use of symbols that can be memorized and transplanted from drawing to drawing. There's no anatomy to be memorized and no forms to be processed,

Why do you think people have an easier time drawing anime eyes than they do drawing realistic eyes. Realistic eyes require knowledge of shit like this:
>>2672889 Anime eyes are just abstract detailed patterns, which are very easy to draw once committed to memory.

Are you being intentionally dense or do you seriously not know what symbol drawing is? Either way you're just making yourself look more and more like an idiot.

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>>2673474
use a soft airbrush to put some atmosphere in it and blur some of the harder lines so it looks less flat. super easy. you can do it.

Are you trolling or really are this retarded?

Anime is extreme simplification of real life forms. Of course real life people are harder to draw as they contain more visual information with MEN containing bigger number than women.
You basically agreed with me and didn't even realize it.

Also you still haven't show those male studies.

>>2673505
>>2673483

>>2673505

Anime is an abstraction of real life. Copying it requires no understanding of anything, only flat shapes. You're making a false equivalency, it isn't relevant at all to what we're talking about.

>Of course real life people are harder to draw as they contain more visual information with MEN containing bigger number than women.

Real life is harder to draw because it requires an understanding of form and anatomy.

The flaw in your logic is in thinking visual information makes drawing more difficult.

Visual information is INFORMATION. It's a tool. It makes things EASIER to draw. It's more material you can reference. It's more material you can use to measure. It's more material you can use to define form. You can go in aggressive and shape a man's cheeks with hard lines to define the form of the head. You can't do that with a woman. A woman's forms have to be defined very delicately.

With both men and women you need to work in detail. The difference is with women you then have to reduce much more of that detail. It's the exact same concept as elderly vs infants, which is an artistic FACT.

I swear based on the bullshit you're spewing you haven't picked up a pencil in your fucking life. The misinformation you're spouting is not only wrong, it's downright dangerous to post in a /beg/ thread.

>>2673517
>Copying it requires no understanding of anything, only flat shapes
That's wrong of course.
It's simplification, the shapes are closer to their base forms but everything is still based on real life.

And making it simplier makes it easier to grasp, reducing the details and complicated shapes allow s you to understand it faster and better.

The way you're talking about male studies make it seem like you symbol drawing them, that's why they appear easier to draw to you. Show them.

>>2673455

>>2673498
oh that looks much nicer. i will keep this tip in mind thanks

>>2673420
Looks great actually. Good work.

>>2672948
what book is this from anon?

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did this just for fun to take a break from loomis

too bad?

>>2673686
I fucked up badly the whole right arm and the perspective of the sword is bad as shit

>>2673686
it looks good. i like it. keep practicing man

>>2673686
is this from reference?

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>confident strokes when drawing male figure
>trembling, beta orbiter chicken scratch when drawing females
Is this some form of gynophobia? god fucking damnit

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moscle men

>>2673977
Holy bad proportions Batman! Slow down and get an accurate underdrawing to get the correct proportions and angles first. Just look at the figure on the right, his kneed is excessively massive and his foot is hilariously tiny. There's tons of proportion errors in all three drawings though, just that is most obvious one.

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>>2673876
Yes.

>>2673981
gotcha!

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>>2673887
The grind.

>>2673887
>>2673999
So, question here, How do I apply these kind of lines to the construction process as shown here.
>>2672906

I find it very nice to make anatomical accuracy as shown in the plates. But I fall through when trying to apply to drawings.

TL;DR the lines in the bargue plates help tremendously. How do I apply those same lines the my own drawings.

>should I draw lines on references first?

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Critique?

>>2674015
Looks flat imo, if I were you I'd try and imagine the form of the head as a square or sphere and square combination or however you can imagine it. And if you can't do that, then this explains the flatness. I'm just a beginner though. Also the line work is scratchy and thick. Try to understand the form before you attempt line art. Other than that it is something. Good job, draw a hundred more.

>>2674015
Stop making hairy lines.

>>2673443
Draw skinny goth qts

That is your solution,

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What do ya'll think?

>>2674045
You're over-defining details that are much more subtle in the original image. Exclusion of detail can be as important as its inclusion.

also the nose doesn't look long enough.

>>2674045
Eyes are far too large. It's a common beginner mistake.

Nose is too short.

You don't seem to know where to focus on detail, and where to provide relief.

>>2674049
Thanks I try that. I always fuck the length of the face up even when I try to compensate for it.

>>2674045
I think you should go back to /pol/

>>2674153
What knowledge of anatomy do i need for gestures? Proportions are throwing me off

No idea why i quoted

>>2674158
>>2674156
I give up boys. It was fun

>>2674169
Go to bed nigger

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atleast i tried

>>2674015
>>2674045
>>2674214
90% of photo copying is just having the patience to measure. When you draw a line, compare it to every other line on your picture. The more comparisons, the better the accuracy. I like to start with the silhouette.

>>2673353
Those fingers on her left hand look a bit odd.

I can see grooves that suggest fingers. Or she's a model with short stub fingers. I can seem lines around the top of her left hand.

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I won't be surprised if I get told to post in yet another thread. (the fuck.)

>>2674303
>please critique my 10 minute drawing

>>2674309
At the very least the general structure. I still need to flesh out the lines a lot more, but before I do that I want to make sure that at the very least proportions are correct for the perspective that I am going for.

At least one thing I can identify that could change is the size of the head. For whatever reason, I keep on drawing them a little too small for the body that it is on. (The shoulders are supposed to be about 2 head widths if I remember correctly, and in this case it seems more like 2.5.)

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My self portrait

i was trying to draw someone sitting with crossed legs and i think i might be retarded

>>2674303
Perspective is weird. Very messy. Don't know whT's going on.

>>2673661
Thanks nigga

>>2674005
Some one?

>>2674313
Get a fucking haircut

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>>2674565

any tips?

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First time actually trying to draw (I'm just use to doodling unrealistic people)

>>2674590
And man, it shows.
Make sure to read the sticky

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>>2672416

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I've been drawing for a year now. any feedback?

>>2674643
gonna need another year anon.

>>2674643
Uncensor it

>>2673686
I like, expessialy if thays just stait outa your knogan,

>>2674643
Not terrible, just keep doing those exercises and reading those books/listening those courses

>>2674643
Good for you. You're learning to copy.q

>>2674565
>>2674566
You should do full bodies.

>>2674662
too lazy and i need to read books xd.

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I just realized that aside from all the other things I did wrong, I made her forehead/cranium giant :y

>>2674675
Okay don't post pictures of me on 4chan?!!

>>2674643
damn, what's your starting point look like.

just wanna see progress.

>>2674677
Literally no one would've known it was you on here except for you. Way to call attention to it

>>2674643
Also, if that's not from reference it's actually quite impressive.

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>>2673028
:^)

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>>2674691
and what i'm doing right now, they'll be cut and then glued to my sketchbook as a whole, so the ugly face on the bottom left may go to the trash.

>>2674687
are u stupid or reverse-baiting

here's your (You)

>>2674005
Idk, this is a really specific question. In the end it just comes down to whether you can compare proportions on your drawing vs. your reference, and if drawing guidelines on your ref helps then you can do that when you're practicing.

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>>2672416

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>>2672416
wtf am i doing wrong

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>>2674705
legitimately hate it when someone types out reply markers

I stop mid-scroll just to see if it's for me

>>2674644
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>>2674689
you people will literally reply to anything if its porn
just fucking stop you sexless husks

>>2674789
>OP says to respond to beginners so they don't feel discouraged

>>2674802
oh, so is that why these people also have 6 replies?
>>2674746
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>>2674826
Requesting advice on how to critique pieces like this.

>>2674826
you gotta analyze it, flip the image and do all that mess. is it from reference? if it is compare all the angles and stuff

>>2674281
Thanks heaps, I didn't even realize they look so stumpy, I think they just need more detail

>>2674828
It's really all about analyzing errors and shitting on them for it. Takes a really long time to do it right, but if you work hard you'll pull it off. Discipline is all you need.

>>2672506
the lighting is really difficult on this. Even squinting it's hard. any tips on using ref that doesn't have a simplify-able shadow. please this has actually been plaguing me.

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>>2672557
pic included just so you can know to take this with a grain of NaCl. slow down and stay light. beyond that, it's just the stuff you already know. start with the general and SLOWLY work into the details. ps I am struggling with this too. so, yeah.

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>>2674746
I decided to change it. I like this version better

>>2673999
is this from loomis?

How long should i pratice one lesson before moving on to next part of dynamic sketching course by Peter Han?

>>2674930
no this is from charles bargue, It's not a meme like loomis , yet that is, lol. It's a good read. so far. It's mostly plates to study from.

>>2674719
right, yeah I guess I was looking for a specific answer but it does just boil down to what you said. the p word.

>>2674968
Having done that course, but I would say when you can apply whatever it is in that lesson to your own art. Or when you fully understand it.

>>2674981
haven't

>>2674981
i haven't even started drawing yet. im just building up my confidence, as peter called it by drawing through lines waves arcs ellipses and shit eight times

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>>2674650
I don't really do any exercises or read any books. I just doodle a little every day.

>>2674681
my starting point is a blank page, and then i do the lines exactly as you see them, and then a make a new layer and colour underneath. and then i put in another layer and put in the shadows.

>>2674647
no

>>2674689
its from imagination. when I dont know what to draw, I just end up drawing sausage people.

this one is drawn more loosely

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>>2674647
ok here uncensored

Is learning the fundamentals on a screenless tablet going to hurt me in the longrun?
Would transitioning back to a physical medium or a screened tablet be difficult?

>>2675007
I think you'll benefit the most by drawing on paper. Many instructors and teachers including feng zhu and scott robertson recommend getting foundations on paper first. I'd rather stick with traditional for now, which im doing, but then again, it's up to you.

>>2674995
i actually meant your first drawings. when you've started to draw till now.

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>>2675023
this one was from last year late november. one of my first.

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>>2675023
this is from february this year

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>>2675023
march of this year

>>2675035
>>2675031
>>2675039

You've hardly gone anywhere.

Posts some studies and other exercises.

>>2675031
>>2675035
>>2675039
you should just get a couple of pieces of work from each month and put them in one image as a progress pic

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>>2675023
june of this year

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august last month

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a couple days ago

>>2675055
Hey, rather than doing line art you should be focusing on your fundies.

>>2675059
those fucking line gaps

>>2675059
Don't quit your day job.

>>2675072
this

>>2673902
probably just 'im obsessed with women sowhen i draw them i feel a need to make them perfect & sexy, causes me to be more anxious about making them, this nervousness causes worse work and less sure hands'
try and just remember that females don't need to be flawless and smooth and artificial looking any more than males

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thoughts?

>>2674968
If you watched the first lesson, Han answers your question though. It's only a week in the course if you want something to compare to.

>>2675113
How much time ?

>>2675125
about an hour or so

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Help

>>2675134
Once you are able to do the same in 15 min that'll be great. Keep drawing anon, it's a good job

>>2675157
How long did it take you to draw these ?

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>>2675157
You're better than Isayama

>>2675157
better than 90% of /beg/

>>2675175
25-30 minutes each

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need more practice on male portraits ffs
how can I improve my shading technique? I feel like my hatching is really messy and doesn't help bring out the form.

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>>2674995
>I don't really do any exercises or read any books. I just doodle a little every day.
Then you are not going to get any better, you are supposed to learn to draw, then grind.

>>2675157
bretty good, keep going, keep grinding
vkDOTcomSLASHdoc176415392_261935425 (burne hoggart, head)

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>>2675201
Dude, that's scary as shit, even if you use MSpaint, there are other tools up there you know

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>>2672416
tips? (also need to learn how to draw hair)

>>2675221
i know! i'm trying to do as many thing as i can using pencil , maybe to see of limitations make the work different in an instigating way, but maybe one day i'll use others, thanks for the reminder

>>2675211
bump, please crit.

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yea

>>2675175
>>2675179
>>2675181
>>2675217
seriously why is this considered better than most of the other art in here

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>>2675226
Other some weirdness from his face not lining up fantastically. You really need to work on pushing your darks. Maybe try using a wider brush and use fatter blots of grey when blocking your painting.

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apart from the lines what should i be focusing on
?

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please send help

>>2675437
Stop trying to render, work on your understanding of form.

>>2675437
give her a forehead

>>2675472
lol silly she doesn't have a brain

>>2674694
what medium is this?

How do i draw female legs without making them look like flesh tubes attached to the pelvis?

They're not straight lines, but even if i give them curvature they still stick out as the ugly part of the drawing.

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>>2675479
it's a bit of pencil then acrylics, some with a lot of water some not so much.

>>2675520
Depends on the angle or the lightning but you can give them volume just by adding shades to it ?

>>2675437
don't details on only the rendering part

>>2675209
It worked only for me but what i did to improve my shading was giving the shades a direction to follow, but i know people that onyl do messy shades and their drawings come out great.

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>>2672416
Hair is difficult.

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>>2672409
Am i nose bro yet?

>>2675587
>3.34 MB
>5312x2988
Yes, you're as bad as him.

>>2675592
that's good enough!

>>2673030
>I feel you anon. A few things I'll point out anyway: Eyes are a bit far apart. Doesn't appear to have any form where it feels like there should be on the back and a little on the neck. The blue butterfly in her hair doesn't have enough contrast imo. Also I don't know what's going on with the hair but if the hair is blowing that extremely to the left, her fringe should also. Ear, nose eyes and lips come of as symbols in an otherwise reasonably accurate piece.


Thanks!! Ill try again with another draw.

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>>2672418

>>2675675
do you have a reference for the person you actually drew

>>2675431
y no reply?

>>2675700
There is not a lot to critique, but yeah, that lineart sucks

>>2675675

Trace loomis/hampton guidelines over the photo to see where you went wrong.

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>>2675523
progress, i'm feelin' it again !!!

>>2675431
the lines and constructions.

>>2675545
work with values and you should be fine

>>2675681
maybe desaturate it a little bit

>>2675710
ok ill do that
also
anyone know how to ink eyes and beards

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>>2675710

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>>2675710
also

>>2675431
reminds me of vetyr from the brushstrokes

>>2675226
learn head construction and try to understand what youre trying to draw.

How do I figure out what brush setting to draw with

>>2675784
1.hard round default brush
2.

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My first attempt at a self portrait

>>2675882
are you really balding that bad ?

>>2675885
Eh.. Not really. I just fucked up the perspective

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This is what I've done today.

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>>2675916

reference.

>>2675916
is there more?

>>2675923

No, I haven't been home for very long and I'm not very fast.

>>2675939
i was gonna say that's not very much work . keep going anon.

Whats the best way to go about learning to draw people if I don't learn particularly well from books?

Prokos vids don't seem to help me, either :/

>>2675916
The cranium extends past the ball in the method that you're using.

>>2675945
learn the fundies , use fundies to construct , learn anatomy using fundies to construct, ???? profit.

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>>2675921

same guy here.

Is this accurate?

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>>2676022
Uh I'm not sure what the previous guy meant but the circle isn't supposed to go past the outside of the skull
Also front of the face is wonky, the bottom of the jaw should be a flat line (in its simplest construction) instead of half of the jaw being connected to one side of the face and half to the other side

I'm having trouble with the left eye. Any help?

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>>2676035
Forgot pic

>>2676040
what am i looking at ?

>>2676022
no

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>>2676032

Thanks. Is this a bit better? I don't think it's perfect but I only have paint on this computer.

>>2676041
a drawing on (probably) a wall?

>>2676118
>>2676118
>>2676118

NEW THREAD

>>2676118
>>2676118
>>2676118

>>2676041
anon has super vision and he can zoom into ant-sized photos and recreate them at full size

>>2674731
good shit

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>>2672416
20 min
the more I draw the shittier my art looks. not that I'm getting worse, but I feel like I can see so many issues with my stuff now. it's kinda depressing

>>2676050
Compare where the ear is to
>>2676032