/beg/ - BEGINNER THREAD

bout to gesture the fuck out of these drawings

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all this is hit or miss...

>>2669568

On the plus side, if you even have one hit among the rest then that's a really good sign.

This fucking upside down man is killing me
RREEEEE

>>2669615
It's not really supposed to. It's supposed to make you realize how it feels to draw what you see and not what you know.

>>2669499
>try to copy some of hampton's head drawings
>they look like anus

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>>2666700

If I'm completely new to drawing and I'm a righty, would I benefit from attempting to draw exclusively with my left hand?

>>2669768
No.

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>>2669528
I am really bad at sticking to source materials
And proportions
And facial features

I'm just bad

>>2669787
Doesn't that unlock the other hemisphere of my brain, though?

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>>2669795
you should most definitely do the upside down man

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>>2669795
I can guarantee you werent even trying, anon.

>>2669795
Nobody fucking cares if you're bad.

Read the sticky, you retard

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>>2669795
>THIS IS HOW ANON PERCEIVES THE WORLD AROUND HIM

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>>2669815

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>>2669815
Oh man I almost forgot about this old /ic/ meme

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>>2669513
I think what I really need to get good at is learning to actually use the techniques I'm taught.

Top drawing was just trying by myself, bottom one was w sighting techniques

>>2669831
Read

The

OP

>>2669833
Did you read my post you wanker?

>>2669742
I keep getting buttblasted and starting over because it's not good enough

>>2669845
Learn the technique of resizing and rotating.

>>2669845
How about you read the fucking OP first.

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Some more 30 second gestures today before work. I think I am starting to understand the flow.... maybe.

>>2669852
>>2669855
I can't resize things on my phone.

I've no idea why it came out sideways, the image on my phone is normal.

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>>2669810
But i've been doing shapes and symbols for almost a week now
Shouldn't that have cured my symbol drawing?

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flipped it up again and boosted the contrast so you can see it better.

very nice duckies :)

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>>2669810
Oh man, I guess i better go read up on keys to drawing

>>2669911
Don't worry, the original is shit anyways.

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Going through Loomis - fun with a pencil, working on movement

r8/tips?

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>>2669913
Still, I wasn't even close to it being proportionally accurate which really bums me out since I had assumed I was at least past the beginner stage in line art

>>2669918
Well, it's alright, you can always do Dynamic Sketching to improve your line art

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>>2669918
hey tropic
fancy seeing you here

>>2669948
Delete this

>>2669915
get used to knowing what these sketches mean. its really to get knowing how the body's gesture can twist and turn with restrictions in place. once you get the hang of gesture drawing, move on to figure drawing, so you can apply gesture within human bodies. theres a reference thread in the catalog.

>>2669954
game when

>>2669911

Out of curiosity, how much time/effort did you put into these?

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>>2669974
A little less then an hour and an hours worth of effort I guess

When I do linework for backgrounds it usually takes me the entire day

>>2669882
RESIZE IT YOU SUMMER FAG !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

>>2669990
for what purpose? you can see it just fine

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Woooo beginner thread!!!!

>>2669998
Go to the /abeg/ thread >>2668936

>>2669831
time to pick up some form of construction

send to your phone and resize in paint

>>2669998
So simple, yet it conveys the form perfectly.

>>2669750
Proportions seem right, only thing I can say is it seems scratchy and a little sloppy. Keep refining it. Good work so far.

>>2669869
No, the cold truth is you will always symbolize here and there. You just have to work against it. Most people are never over it. Even after years. But dedicated artists can do it. So not to put you down but expect to put more time than a few weeks in for results. Keep at it.

>>2669869
I think this is bait, but, draw on paper. Please.

>>2669869
Read the fucking god damn cunt titty sticky.

>>2669859
Try to understand the weight distribution when you're feeling out the lines. Forget contours. Do more, it'll click.

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Character concept for an upcoming tabletop game. How ashamed should i be of showing this to my friends.

>>2669869
now come back when you've done a month of shapes

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Recommend me some books?

hope i get some tips for pic

>>2670166
Very much so.

Some advice:
Don't use texture brushes. Makes the halo(?) look weird. Blood splotches look flat. Colour of the shading is too high in contrast. The cheek/brow lines shouldn't be lines but just shadow would work fine. Image related.

>>2670199
It would only take two weeks to fix that guy please, anon. It might not even be that long. A week could fix him up.

>>2670166
Interesting concept, meh execution. We're in the right thread though. It doesn't matter as long as your friends get it, it's not like they're artists.

>>2670258
is this bait? perfection of 3d shapes takes months to do flawlessly

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Unfinished, but how're we looking so far?

>>2670297
Why is her cheek farther right than her temple? You need to check your ref more often or measure better.

>>2670301
> farther right than her temple
Could you explain more?

I've got a bad habit of messing up proportions, and actually changed her cheek a couple times. I noticed her head looks a little beany right now as well.

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recent """master study's"""

>>2670251
Proportions look okay. The hatching needs work, your tool is probably too small for the area you're covering with it and there is too much space between each stroke which makes the hatching too noticeable and distracting. I suggest you try to work with a pencil to make broader strokes. Otherwise it looks decent.

>>2670323
You need to work on proportions and Loomis. You misplaced her features so they look like they're floating across her face.

Also your perspective is in need of some work too. You're foreshortening is off in places. Are you thinking in 2D instead of 3D?

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>>2670326
i know concept of 3D
But my skill is so shit can't emulate it easily

>>2670327
As long as you can recognize there's a problem, you can fix it. Keep at it. I believe in you.

Should I completely forget about anatomy/drawing people for now and just focus on DAB/Dynamic Sketching for a while?

My goals:

concept/character art
painting/drawing landscapes/portraits/etc

Traditionally and digitally

Anywho, what should I be doing daily aside from the DAB/Dynamic Sketching work, one still life per day, more?

It's not just art I want to excel at, I want to write short stories/3D modeling as well but squeezing enough time for everything seems like it'd be impossible/VERY difficult

>>2670327
consider practising for another 4 years

>>2670352
DAB/Dynamic Sketching applies to anatomy/drawing people, so you should focus on it first. It's easier in my opinion to draw animals over people for some reason.

You should always do something with purpose, for example Dynamic Sketching gets into perspective heavily at times, so you should work on that with like buildings and such. You should also work on your digital painting skills here and there such as your rendering for different materials. Just use the basic shapes and pick some references up and study them.

That should last you a few months? Maybe two. You don't need too much direction, since as you work through it, you'll eventually see what you need when you need it.

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daily reminder i will NEVER be good

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>>2670297

>>2670166
i don't understand what the concept is supposed to be. focus more on emphasizing basic volumes and proportions rather than trying to render things realistically

why do so many of you not draw on paper?

>>2670413
Literally like 3/4th of the thread is on paper, anon.

>>2669824
>drawing animu was a thing back in 2010
>still shunned today
Way to remind me.

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besides the face and the boots and the wall being too far (which means i think the arm is too long or something) what else is wrong.

>>2670425
You can use them whenever you want really. There's no set rules, just make sure you're not covering up your weaknesses with a different tool.

You can do as much as you have time for, anon, it all depends on how much you want to improve.

If there's one thing you have to absolutely do, it's build a habit. Discipline. By doing so, you'll continue to draw and improve even if there are slow days. To draw is to love the process, not just the end result.

>>2670437

Part of my problem is not having a good "workstation".

Drawing flat seemingly makes things more difficult, especially when it comes to drawing accurate proportions for some reason. I seem to have an easier time with my page tilted upright/etc.

But when it comes to sketchbook sketches thats also a pain, measuring wise, otherwise I'm overthinking it.

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>>2670311
Not the same guy, but I did a quick circle job.

>>2670297
This is so strange. It looks decent especially compared to the rest in the thread yet the proportions are drawn as if you took LSD.

why can't I draw faces symmetrically desu
Or anything really
Everything seems to be tilted
Also I only can ever draw faces facing one way but I think that's because I did symbol drawing all through high school and I'm unlearning now

>>2670478

tell me about it, anon

Any time I try drawing heads, one side of the jaw is always way curvier/slanted than the other and it looks like they got hit with a fuckin shovel.

>>2670323
This has to be bait

No one would fucking study the picture on the top.
Bot one fucking soul would think that THIS looks like good anime. Please tell me you dont really study those insect looking like beings

>>2670489
Its a joke you autist

>>2670491
thanks for clarifying fellow autist

wahre is google doc??s
how am i supposdibed learning

>>2670502
>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VfDTpLLVl5bWUGWguswKpPFml533luI8-NBd1EGYHnA/edit

>>2670504
where do i start

>>2670500
Dont be mad at me that youre dumb, friend.

>>2670424

Nice.

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I know its bad but i cant place whats wrong, it feels like everything is off slightly making it completely different. Does that make sense?

>>2670560
It is just having the time and patience to measure everything.

>>2670560
I know this feel

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>>2670560
everything is slightly off. I found that also happens to me if i just copy and shade without doing construction lines.

I mostly just doodle, this one where i tried using the brush tool, and using a reference.

>>2670560
You turned her from chink to nigress.

>>2670571
post ref?

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>>2670560
Hope this helps.

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>>2670560
here i did one super quick

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>>2670373
try not using black as one of your colour, it ruins the harmony.

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>>2670560
Because it is nigga

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>>2670582
brush i was using was too big lol. here is a different one.

>>2670560
>>2670584
good stuff

>>2670585
>>2670582
Spend more time comparing your pictures to the refs. Youre not drawing whats actually there, just what you think you see.

>>2670578
Get out of my swamp, cunt.

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Second one

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>>2670590
the picture you referred to >>2670585
i drew from imagination so eat a dick. and the other i spent literally minutes on so eat a second dick.

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>>2670584
>>2670560
Thanks I appreciate it , at least ive improved since my last attempt, this was a couple of weeks ago, im trying to draw 2 faces a day

>>2670364
jesus, she is prettier in the drawing than irl

how big does one need to make the eyes on the face? is it dependent on the size/shape of the socket?

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>>2670578

So I am doing Dynamic Sketching/DAB.

Ellipses/Circles are impossible with my wrist locked, using my shoulder/elbow just makes the circles deformed to all fuck. Idk how practicing will help that, it seems that if I keep practicing ill just become better at making deformed ellipses/circles

>>2670653
If you can spend an hour or even 30 minutes a day, doing that exercise, you will see the improvements in just a few days.

>>2670623
You should be able to capture more than that in a minute
And the other one has glaring flaws
Im just trying to help out the beginners in the beginner thread, if you dont want advice then why are you here?
Eat a dick.

>>2670633
Keep it up dude. Its easy to get lost in the features of the face, make sure youre taking into account all of the "empty" space between them since it defines the shape of the skull, which is huge in capturing likeness

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Still trying to get better at gesture...

Forgive me for this but I just see zero point in learning gesture. I do not see the benefit at all.

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>>2670705
Because body language speaks more than words

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>>2670710

>>2670710
How would one draw the gesture of this fucko?

>>2670713
What are you even talking about, maybe you dont understand what gesture is.

>>2670714
Did you read this thread? >>2669116

>>2670716
Yeh, and the question is completely inane. The gesture of a stiff person IS A STIFF GESTURE

>>2670710

well if I wanted to draw an interesting pose id draw an interesting pose. I see no point in drawing a bunch of fucking wavy lines to "show" the flow of the drawing I plan to do

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Speaking of gesture ,may i please have some critique regarding my attempt? i tried a while ago but switched to something else.

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>>2669528
I dit that in 10-15 min. It's been 8 years since I last drew something. I've read Bridgman book and wanted to give it a try. I only have a 2B.

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>>2670729
So how would you draw the gesture when the model poses like that? You would draw a "STIFF GESTURE"?

>>2670738

why waste your time?

>>2670738
can't feel the form or flow, do 1000 more

>>2670742
because anon im not gonna focus entriely on gesture but it is useful to have in order to convey either the emotion or direction of the form.
>>2670746
okay. thats the thing im having trouble with

>>2670705
>>2670732

Depends on how you look at it. I have a fairly solid understanding of anatomy but the poses I end up with are often stiff and unappealing - gesture drawing is helping me quickly establish the masses and more dynamic actions which gives me a better construction to work from.

I can see how some people wouldn't have an issue with this and can get the motion they want right off the bat, I'm sadly not one of them.

>>2670738

Not great, >>2670746 is right.

>>2670739
If it's really been 8 years, it's a great work. How old are you ? Keep drawing, I bet you'll improve fast, you have potential. Study all the fundamentals, Bridgman's anatomy book is good, try loomis too.

>>2669547
>>2670424
link it! I want to see peoples attempts at it.

>>2670762
The drawing is nice, the colors are off.
Get a reference and look at the colors of a forest. Your shadows are too black, atmospheric perpective too strong and colors too saturated. Luckily that can be fixed with layers.

>>2670765
I'll try.
>>2670753
Thanks anon. I did that quickly. I've heard of Loomis, I think I'll work with Loomis' books.

>>2670749
I wonder if there are that many people who can be good at gesture without practicing. It's pretty much like having a good visual library without doing the research. So I don't think anyone working on gesture would be wasting his time in any case.

>>2670790

drawing a bunch of squiggly lines is not a drawing

you can have a non static pose without wasting your time learning that nonsense. Because thats exactly what it is, nonsense.

That overrated old fart Vilppu is a shitty resource. Idk why he's so dicksucked on here.

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Learning to draw (with charcoal), this is my first portrait, is it recognisable? Any tips for getting better? It's A4 size on quite grainy paper so it was hard to get detail

>>2670793
Gesture is about getting the movement, it doesn't have to be squiggly lines. And I sincerely doubt you can get really good at it without practicing but if you can, good for you.
Vilppu taught the people at Disney which were arguably the very best at it. Which is no wonder since animators spend their whole life doing gesture drawing.

>>2670732
The same reason you would lay out thumbnails. To play with the flow and atmosphere of the image and pick the best option for what youre trying to accomplish.

>>2670800
Emma Watson ?
It's good enough for a first try. Like you said it's your first portrait so keep going.

>>2670741
Fucking YES.

Its not hard to understand. If youre doing gesture studies from a live model and the model is standing straight upright then you're either late to the class or the model is a bad model (which i suspect is the answer youre searching for)

Gestures are meant to be experimental, almost warmups. Not three hour photostudies

Please anons stop arguing about Gestures.

>>2670808
Yeah some models are kinda out of it. Especially on longer poses. I find it useful to be on the side so you can use the curvature of the spine. But front poses are tricky.

Correct

When im drawing the nose how can i vary its appearance, do i need to manipulate the bridge? or just the ball and wings?

I'm practicing circles/ellipses via DAB/Dynamic Sketching.

Ghosting the circle is useless if my "ghosting is all deformed, when i go to put it on paper it's even worse/just as bad. I just started this but whats the point in practicing this if I am just going to get better at drawing deformed shit?

I don't understand
Do you start drawing with shapes or faces? There seems to be a lot of conflicting messages

>>2670849
Do you have examples of what you're doing? Are they symmetrical at least?

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>>2670850
Faces are shapes

Just draw a circle

>>2670856
Yeah I get that just fine, it's more there seems to be a conflict about practicing shapes or practicing faces depending on where I look.

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>>2670765
>>2670753
Here's my first try

>>2670861
So, 2D shapes vs 3D forms? Those are two approaches. Both are very important for different reasons.

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>>2670862
Sorry

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>>2670861
Simple square shapes are easier to map out when you first start out, if you're having problems with doing big circles for bodies you can start off with doing boxes instead

>>2670862
It looks very nice actually but presentation is everything. Scan it well, rotate, resize, and adjust the curves in photoshop.

>>2670869
Yeah I know but I'm a lazy fag. Thanks anon !

>>2670854

a good lot of them arent even circles, they'd be considered "organic shapes" they deviate into a lump

>>2670873

Rotating my wrist makes decent circles. Yet trying to do the "full range of motion" using my shoulder or elbow makes them look lopsided as shit, no matter the speed/ghosting

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>>2669547
I did not finish this becouse it just felt like mindles coping ;/

>>2670894
Great work but you aren't a beginner, are you ?

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How am i doing?

>>2670899
I'am a beginner, if i wanted to draw anything out of my imagination it would just look like shit...
Coping photos is easier if u get proprtions right which i didnt even did good in that "study"

>>2670905
the skull is ok.\

Are still lifes THE best way to improve starting out, aside from doing Dynamic Sketching?

I enjoy gesture drawing but I take like 15 mins

Is it still gesture drawing at that point? Dodson says it should be 2 minutes

>>2670941
>gesture drawing
>15 minutes
what the FUCK are you doing

>>2670948
GOTTA GET MY LINES RIGHT SENPAI

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>>2669547
ehh something seems off, not sure when to start doing values. i want it to be at least visually perfect in the line art.

>>2670982
oh my right eye is drooping

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I would like to Improve, I'm starting to stagnate.

>>2670985
???

>>2670993
Loomis

>>2671031

he obviously doesn't have the spark

>>2670800
Use smoother paper and draw bigger to make those chunks of charcoal getting stuck in the paper less obvious.

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My attempt at noses. All I have is a mechanical pencil. Should I keep trying with the shading? Or should I work on crosshatching instead?

Do most of you guys just absolutely fucking hate reading books or something?

What is this shit?

Basic ass questions that are easily answered in the sticky and yet you still ask, because you're too fucking lazy too read.

Fuck you all I hate you

>>2671103

Okay.

>>2671099
To have things defined a bit more you shouldn't choose such soft lighting for references.

>>2671103
people who don't have the intuition to do basic things like read a sticky will stop drawing in a week anyway

leave them be, this thread cycles waves of these people

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What do yall think?

>>2671028
Critiqued my own drawing. Lineart is quick and sloppy. The eye is off

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I'm working on this, thoughts /ic/?

>>2671154
im sure a drawing of this quality doesn't need to be 4k x 3k

>>2671131
Nice anon !

>>2671154
resize pls. Otherwise work on anatomy, it's very wonky.

>>2670583
thanks!

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yes

>>2669809
I hope you read this reply.

Everything about the whole L-mode/R-mode in the Drawing on The Right Side of The Brain is horseshit. Do not take it seriously.

Just do the exercises.

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>>2670541
Thanks dude. I had to stop cuz I got too anxious and self conscious about performance

>>2671119
That's a good point.

If I insisted on using this reference for whatever reason, would I just need to use a variety of pencils of different hardnesses?

>>2670560
wow so many (You)s I'm a bit jealous

Anyways, I think you have the same problem I used to. You really have to envision the form as 3d in your mind and then construct her from the forms you think shes built out of. Also, your line weights need to be a lot more careful, especially since youre drawing a total plate-face.

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Where should I start?
I think I'm ready for figure drawing.

BUT I really want to learn how to draw the head and hands too.
Fun With a Pencil and Keys to Drawing didn't go into so much detail with that.

Drawing The Head and Hands - Loomis

Figure Drawing For All It's Worth - Loomis

Vilppu's Drawing Manual - Vipu

>>2671290
10/10 bait my lad

>>2671293
Oh, fuck off. You know exactly what I meant by Fun with a pencil not going super deep into how to properly draw the head. I want more advanced stuff.

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I'm still working on this, is it looking ok?

>>2671290
Do whatever you want. You'll have to do all of them anyways.

>>2671383
What's the point of reading TWO figure drawing books?

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daily reminder I will never be good at drawing EVER

Is practice the only thing I can do to help my ellipses/circles? Ghosting doesn't do any good, my circles always still end up looking like blobs 99% of the time.

>>2671387
You digest all the information you can get, so you have the fullest understanding when doing so.

>>2671392
Can you fucking /a/utists get a trip?

Fucking hell, I've filtered so many of your images.

Fat fuck.

>>2671393
Ellipses are all about the flow to me. Once you get on the flow, you can get it just right. Only took me a few hundred ellipses.

>>2671399

I try to do them using my shoulder/elbow/full ROM but that just makes them blobbier/worse. And it seemingly won't improve.

Practice is all well and good but if you just keep doing the wrong thing you'll get better at being bad

>>2671392
i love you

>>2671405
>Practice is all well and good but if you just keep doing the wrong thing you'll get better at being bad
Misconception really. Doing ellipses is just muscle memory so as long as you strive to make them right, they'll eventually become right. You have to really try to make them right, even if you get one right. That's good. That's improvement. Just keep it up. It takes a while. Much longer than lines because you're not really used to doing an elliptical shape. Even worse that you have to do it with your shoulder which you're not used to.

how much zoom is too much zoom when drawing from reference?

>>2671501
There is no such thing as too much zoom. If I had to put a limit, when you start seeing pixels. I usually stay at 33% - 100%

>>2671501
When you zoom into the zoom try zooming in the reference and zoom into the drawing then zoom the zoom out but not too far

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>>2669522

>>2671506
>>2671505
I mean in the sense of making the drawing easier to draw

Or is it just an illusion and even while zooming it doesn't make drawing curves easier?

>>2670762
Try using blues instead of black.

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>>2669547
wip

>>2669795
Instead of trying to learn foundation on the computer, you should stick to pencil and paper first. also measure your proportions, instead of going straight to symbol drawing.

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reading figure drawing steve huston is stuff like this i need to keep re drawing and practice? i usually do but the progress is slow and i dont have much freedom except drawing things i remember from the book but i cant draw stuff from my imagination do i just keep reading and drawing or am i doing it wrong? pic related

So zooming in to get more detail to draw is not considered cheating?

I guess it makes sense since you're still drawing curves, but they're just different in size, doesn't exactly make it easier.

Not sure though

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>Just started the other day
>Download that 'fun with pencil' book
>Think I'm hopeless
>Follow the directions
>It actually works really well

I UNDERESTIMATE MY POWER

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Done something based on those neat sketchbook (i forgot the name of the artist anyway)

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>>2671662
and currently doing the same idea with people i personnaly know and people that inspires me

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>>2670991
hue shift your highlights and lowlights, also study the different undertones of the various areas of the face. Her skin looks like it's made out of chocolate.

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Would like crit on this, I've been staring at it way too long to tell where the errors are. Focusing mainly on proportion and value.

>>2670762
Values/10

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>>2671538
update

>>2671674
ear is too big, head is too small, value wise idk.

right foot is too big, bottom hand maybe too small?

>>2671596
Im still at the hopeless part but im stickin with it.

>>2671682
Try to block in the largest areas of shadow with a hard brush, soft brushes are much better for the later stages of a painting.

>>2671755
why do you keep doing these instead of grinding fundies

>>2671766
It is a deviation of my personality, i can't do drawing related things as an obligattion without getting bored, so my progress is really slow

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Trying to draw creatively.
Should I finish tomorrow or jump ship?

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>>2671776
don't stop till it's perfect

>>2671777
Nice digits

I just don't want to spend my precious drawing hours one thing but I want a good piece that really indicates my skill level right now for my progress meme picture I make in 2018

>>2671674
feet, ear, biceps seem overly large but maybe I'm wrong. Pecs are spaced awkwardly but that might also just be weird shading. Doesn't appear to be a lot of form to the arm over the head. Underwear sits weirdly and has not shape.

gj tho anon

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>>2671785
it takes shitty pictures to make really good ones.

>>2671789
man where were you guys when I was one this page.

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>>2671792
I'm always in you. I'm the voice inside your head cheering you on. Don't let me die. You got this

>>2671766
what's the ideal way to grind the fundies?
i'm less than a beginner, currently drawing random poses and faces, constructing hands, and making perspective places, or drawing random objects, sometimes i throw in drawing humans from imagination despite being awful

>>2671795
>*shhh*
>"HEY OLD MAN THIS GIRLS GOT HER TITS OUT COME LOOK"

>>2671796
study, push your comfort zone,observe and don't give up

>>2671796
Go from basic to advanced.
Line to shape to form to perspective to value to color to composition

how do i stop being such an absolute pussy

>>2671817
Become stronger.

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I think I fell down the wrong gesture path.

I've been doing them like this for maybe two or three months. What I thought was the accepted way to communicate gesture of a pose lacks the idea of "guiding lines" like guiding your eye from line to line. There is a little bit of focus on the contour (as much as I fight it) Do I bite the bullet and redo my entire way of doing them from scratch or just muh style it?

>>2671820
Doing gestures by themselves will lead you like this. You have to really apply it for it to be of any use.

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I'm at the point where I'm past loomis but not smart enough to apply the lessons of Micheal hampton

What's the inbetween

>>2671826
Just fill it up with abs if you have to anon.

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>>2671820
start all over you already have some aspects right. just resist and don't give up

>>2671820
>start over
>looks good as shit
>not even sure why it's in the beginner thread
Is this bait

>>2671820
no rules, only tools

>>2671826
your perspective is fucked up, so you may want to work on that

>>2671820
Why is this bad? Troll?

>>2671874
>What I thought was the accepted way to communicate gesture of a pose lacks the idea of "guiding lines" like guiding your eye from line to line. There is a little bit of focus on the contour (as much as I fight it)
It's bad by anon's standards.

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Ok, Aside from the blatant chicken scratch what's wrong with my figures.

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construction.
am I doing it right?

>>2671937
you have the idea

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>>2669506

>>2670623
Reminds me of people defending their slop on dA. Obviously if you wanted to show it, you thought that it was an acceptable level to show. I don't care how long your shit takes, it simply doesn't look good. Maybe if there was a hint of giving a damn it would have turned out better

>>2671820
these look pretty good, although they probably are one of the better ones you drew. You will never have to redo from scratch cause you have already learned a lot from them if you have been doing them for two or three months. But sure, go ahead and try other methods of drawing the gesture, I recommend villpu's video on it

>>2671826
it doesn't look as though you're past loomis, just keep drawing for a while whatever you want but atleast keep doing it everyday, that's what you need most right now

>>2671918
the chickenscratches fck up your whole figure. Stop chickenscratching and try to draw longer more fluid lines

>>2671826

Can you show your loomis stuff?

>>2671795
one of those paintover backgrounds huh

Assuming I put in a few hours a day, how long does it take for my art to look "reasonable", that is, not like a drunken toddler drew it?

Follow up, how long before I can draw fappable porn?

>>2672053
a long time ....

>>2672053
year and a bit to start impressing people

>>2672053
a year if you take it as seriously as a chinese schoolkid

~2 years otherwise

time to grind!

I haven't really "drawn" anything, but my circles are definitely improving. I am able to hit a closed circle in one go, very little wobble and whatnot. Ellipses are still an issue, one side is always lopsided.

I'm going to dread working on forms/getting back into anatomy. None of the anatomy stuff seems to stick with me :/

>>2672053
hey the same anon that said a long time here, those projections after my post are about accurate. its all about how much you want to work your ass off. a few hours a day of doing the right things can go a long way, just make sure you do it every day. and later into it try to do some longer stretches every week if possible (say 8 hours). you want as much milage as you can get doing the right things. but you also don't want to burn out so kinda build up to drawing longer and longer. make it a habit.
now get to it. and good luck.

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Ok, this is one of the only nearly full bodies Ive done from imagination. I can recognize some of the mistakes like the Tumblr nose, the hand holding the sword and the perspective on the chestplate. I just got onto /ic/ and I know I'm in need of Loomis, but I don't know where to start, I'm not a TOTAL beginner

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>>2669499

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>>2670862
Here's the scan. >>2669547

>>2672191
right hand seems unusually big, unless it's supposed to be that way

>>2672265
The larger hand is closer to the actual size of a hand, proportionally. Your palm/fingers should basically fit right over your face. It's the other hand is incredibly tiny.

>>2672271
you're right, listen to this instead

>>2672077
i skipped one day a few days ago will i no longer make it?

>>2672276
Draw x10 more hours today and you will.

God help you if you skip another though, then you'll never make it.,

>>2672277
but there aren't forty hours in a day anon

>>2672279
Then x2 for the next 5 days. That's the best you're getting.

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Am I shading right? I can't tell what's what any more. I want to cut my thumb off

>>2672303
Nice hands you got there animufag.

>>2672303
That's not even yours.
And if it is, why are you posting a one year old image?
http://masa1989.deviantart.com/art/Kyoko-Sakura-569449005
And then if it is, why are you tracing?
http://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=1744885

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How are those textures? I realize some of them are more patterns than textures, and I kind of lost.

Thoughts on the Art Fundamentals subreddit? Guy reviews your work, and the courses/lessons look pretty decent

>>2672333
It's also known as draw a box.

It's basically Peter Han's dynamic sketching on crack. It's a good starting point if you need structure.

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>>2672334

I'm pretty much here, but I need a lot of basics still

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>>2672334
And here

Other than bodies, I haven't practiced much. I do realism as well but don't upload them

>>2672336
>>2672338

Just try it. It's not like it'll harm you. The beginning exercises will def help you with you line confidence, yours look a little hairy.

>>2672339
I've started on Lesson 1! Plan on going through it all.

My line confidence is definitely a problem.. I find that when drawing, if I'm trying to do something clean my hand gets REALLY fucking heavy. Last night all I was doing was doing some inking / going over graphtie with a pen, and my hand was getting tired.

Thanks man

>>2672343
That's a common problem when you grip the pen/pencil too hard. Relax your hand. Let it flow. Being too tense will only work against you.

Make sure you actually use a felt tip pen, too. There's something psychological about not being able to erase it that gets you comfortable with making accurate marks every time

>>2672319
I forgot about "am" near I but whatever. Anyone got some ideas for simple textures?

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>>2672348
I have! Was using ballpoints for a while, but I got a pack of PILOT Felt Tip pens off of Amazon, they're 0.3mm.

I got a pack of 12, but I've only been using them for the Draw A Box lessons. Would you say using them for sketching / practicing on normal stuff would be more beneficial than using a pencil? I don't erase anything with my sketches, but I do have very hairy/messy lines, as you've seen.

I try to doodle/draw at work as well when I can, doing a quick sketch of my hand or of something in front of me.

May go back and do a few more portraits, this was the last one I really gave a go... got stuck. The model was black, sweating profusely, and I honestly didn't know how to properly do the values on his skin.

>>2672352
There is no "simple" or "hard" texture. It's all in your head.

Try the peels of different fruits, because you can probably pop down to the grocer and get some yourself. Orange, banana, watermelon, etc. Then you can open them and do the flesh as well, and have a snack after.

>>2672354
Pencil and pen are just different mediums. Neither is better or worse. If you want to work on line quality/confidence, I would say using a felt tip pen would help immensely. You have to put the line where you want it the first time, because there are no redos.

How much did you pay for them, btw? The art store near me charges a stupid amount for their pens. Any deads in your pack?

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>>2672360

I live in Canada so it may be cheaper for you, wherever you are

Got a 12 pack and after filling a good 5 pages full of ink (Doing the Draw A Box Lesson) the Pen doesn't seem close to drying out. Then again, I don't know how long they usually last

But I feel it was a good price

>>2672364
No shit? I live in Canada too. Winnipeg.

>>2672367
Oh fuck eh, huge bro. I'm by Toronto!

Yeah I'd say definitely give the pack a go, just quickly tried all the pens and none of them are dead like you asked

>>2672368
Rocking. I'll keep it in mind for when mine run out. I'm used to Staedlers, but I'm sure pilot will be fine. Good luck with draw a box!

>>2672314
>>2672303
Holy fuck this is pathetic and extremely dickish

>>2672371
I sure hope you mean stealing art, and not calling someone out for being a liar.

>>2670327
where did you learn to put the skull in the box?

>>2672409
>>2672409
>>2672409

NEW THREAD

>>2672409
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>>2671820
dig the lines, would hate if you were a ctrl z faggot

>>2671131
looks like my old art teacher, she was old like the earth LOL

>>2671290
Skim through each and see which one interests you the most. I'd recommend doing each of them at some point.

>>2670418
looks good anon, i believe you need to work on the hands too. anatomy looks decent. As for value make sure you accentuate the darks and lights, it will make the figure pop more.

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>>2669506

Working with no scanner and only mechanical pencils because I'm broke and stingy

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>>2669522