/beg/ - BEGINNER THREAD

>>2666683
To me this picture looks totally fine! I'm now so fucking concerned about myself. Could someone please elaborate more what's wrong with the proportions?

>>2666720
I'm not the artist just to clear it out but just curious and concerned. For example I can't see how the eyes are too far apart from each other and how can the guy know about the ear if it's not visible? I mean the picture isn't a exact copy of the photo (comparing atm) but I can't see the things the critic pointed out right now.

>>2666724
I'm that anon, sorry for any confusion. I was talking about your face, not the one I drew, lol..

>>2666694
I'm the guy before that said you don't have good brush work.
It's more obvious now that I can see your work process that you do a lot of back and forth, so that the line direction is a little bit muddled.
From what I see in van gogh's work does is use his brush strokes to flesh out shapes so I would try avoid zipzag lines.

>>2666741
Ahhh so you were the one who painted and you were critiquing the the guy who painted this: >>2666694

Somehow I saw it like the guy who painted >>2666694 was critiquing >>2666683 →

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>>2666683
Be careful of your values. You are doing too much contrast and extreme values where it's not needed. For example, on the hair, the highlights are actually a middle grey but you put them almost white. Try to separate your lights and your shadows, then keep each of those sections relatively close value-wise within themselves. So in the shadows don't go jumping from dark shadow to bright reflected light--that difference in value is more subtle than you might expect.

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I still want to polish it some more, but what do you lads think

Is the brushing/shading inherently bad and should I actually search of better ways or can this be improved?
If so, what thoughts can you share that can aid me in improving? Thanks

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>>2666759
Second I did, very mediocre I guess, but I'm still trying to find and discover what works.

>>2666759
Post your ref. It looks like it is a very ambient lighting scenario so there needs to be very careful control of values and edges to show the form. Right now you are painting it with a hard brush and the strokes are all these small hard shapes or even lines. Try to use tones and larger masses rather than small details.

>>2666766
>tones and larger masses
Do you mean mostly for the hair?
And use larger masses of brushes so it makes the details more uniform and more natural looking?

>>2666779
Yeah like rather than trying to paint each strand of hair or eyelash instead try to paint what all those hairs added together looks like. Instead of painting lots of small brushstrokes over the face creating a weird texture try to get the main forms and planes of the head and face.

Anyways, for started you need to stop tracing and actually try to draw it yourself. Once you can copy the shapes learn to see the accurate values. Look at how bright your painting is compared to the reference image. Rather than start on white and moving darker, try starting with a middle grey and then creep towards the extremes.

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>>2666784
>for started you need to stop tracing
It's not traced, friend, but I'll take that as a compliment.

Has anyone worked through Rapid Viz? It looks great.

>>2666758
Ahh, that helps a lot. I'll fix those, thanks!

>>2666759
Other anons hit the nail on the head. You seem to be treating digital painting like colored pencil/graphite drawings; work from larger masses into smaller details instead of trying to get the details just right instantly.

>>2666808
Yeah, this is exactly what I needed
I will work on this and try to practice it in my next drawing

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I haven't drawn for like three days straight

I will NEVER be good

>>2666820
Draw that annoying cute anime girl you keep avatarfagging with a couple of times to get started and while you're at it kill yourself

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>>2666820
I hope you stay around, you retarded avatarfag. Your tears about how much you suck shit at drawing is what I use both as motivation and lube

I don't know if I'm holding the pen wrong. But, my pigment liner only last for about 3 days and it gone.

I'm drawing about 8-10 hours a day.

I would hate to have to buy a pack a week.

>>2666758
Not him but
What's a good shading tool to blend those colors on photoshop?
Perhaps there's a good video on how to do that on youtube that you know of?

>>2666829
Don't you read your pen? They only last 18 hours without a cap aka when you're drawing.

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>>2666829
>8-10 hours a day

Small question
Why are artists so quick to accuse you of tracing by the way?

I got accused so many times even though I didn't I honestly don't even feel like showing my stuff to people...

>>2666843
They're jealous that it's possible for someone else to be that accurate.

>>2666820
i love you please dont give up ;_;

>>2666833

You are not lying. What fucking jews. Thank god I'm not neet scum so could afford the $15 dollar a week on pens.

>>2666840

I would draw 16 hours a day if I could. The only way to get good.

>>2666820
I have never seen your work. Blog?

>>2666851
he doesn't draw

he posts for attention and he got four fucking (You)s from it

>>2666704
this is racist >:(

>>2666856
You're racist for thinking that that shit is racist, racist.

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>>2666709
be harsh with me senpais.

>>2666869
Resize your images to be max 1000 pixels on the long side. Make sure it isn't posted sideways. Take better photos of your work. Don't draw on lined paper.

>>2666851
I'm an absolute beginner there's no way i deserve a blog

>>2666878
You really should make one! Seeing progress is the greatest motivator! Keep at it! Even if I can't see your work, I believe in you! We're all gonna make it!

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>>2666876
Thanks for the tip, dudio. Photo quality is as good as it'll get, as I don't have a better camera on me right now. Also is there any reason why I'm not supposed to draw on lined paper?

>>2666878
>I'm an absolute beginner there's no way i deserve a blog

How about a thread, then? It needn't even be about you, specifically- you could make it a thread for Absolute Beginners.

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i'll post this here, too. is it ok

>>2666900
Who started the beginner thread anyways?

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Based on that one guy
kill me

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>>2666902
never mind i finished the whole thing

>>2666823
i must say initially i got mad at him but i've also turned it around like so
>tfw stupid auitistic neets will forever be worse than me (despite being three of those myself)

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Crits?

Is it better to study with lines or paint directly?

is there any place where I can download each video from vilppu's course separately? I had the entire thing on my dead computer and my internet is too slow to download 17gb all over again

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>>2667046
shit m8

>>2667046
Watch this or kill yourself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzDGO0LssEM

>>2667122
>acquire torrent
>select which file you want
>start download

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>doing drawabox
>it's boring as fuck and putting me off drawing

>>2667154
drop it an draw what you like instead, then you'll make it!

>>2667154
You should probably stop doing it then unless you really understand what it's for. Once I understood what drawabox was doing for me, it didn't put me off at all.

>>2667154
prepare to be ridiculed by /ic/ for not enjoying spending hours filling pages with straight lines

>>2667154
Really? I'm the total opposite.
My drawings put me off from drawing so I do drawabox because it's more fun.

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>>2666758
Progress
I kinda want to draw birbs flying out of her cleavage or some other deep shit so I won't just be copying a photo

>>2667154
drawabox was fun until i ran out of lessons

>>2666049
You're welcome.
If you need to take macros, find a big lens from a car/motorbike headlight and hold it in front of the camera until you find the right spot for it to focus.
I can snap objects a few millimeters in size with that compact camera.

>>2666869
Yup, racism is in the eyes of those who see it everywhere.

>>2666900
How to hold a pencil
Setting paper on a desk - complete guide
Sharpening 101
Intro to erasers

Neat.

>>2666981
I like your style Anon, unique.
How many trypophobic people has it triggered thus far?

>>2666984
And who makes the new threads, also.

>>2667154
The first lesson is boring as fuck, I agree.
But I learnt about the ghosting technique and using my whole arm to draw, and I've improved a lot.
Also I understood boxes in perspective... hopefully I will have to draw boxes sooner or later.
I'm looking forward to the next lessons, they look much more interesting, so I'll hold onto it for the last few exercises.

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Decided to learn to draw not too long ago, apologies, I don't have enough money for a scanner, so I just snapped it with my phone. Right now I'm doing absolutely terrible, my shading barely looks like it's a part of the thing it's trying to shade, and making the shapes non-flat is hard. But hey, I've at least progressed passed the way I did doodle....some.

>>2667217
You could use some drawabox.
Keep at it though, I like the progress.

>>2667225
I've heard a few mentions of that here, thanks for the suggestion. Checking it out, it seems nice enough, exercise based learning fits me great, so I'll try some of them.

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This is what I've been working on. There's a few things that seem off but i'm not sure what.

What are some good tutorials/books on learning perspective and constructing bodies

I was able to get through loomis head construction easily but the jump from stick figures to actual bodies with little to no explanation really fucked me up and made me spend days drawing proportionally inaccurate figures, especially on how hands relate to the body

>>2667302
Just keep trying. It's not the material, don't worry. It's more of a physical process than theory. Draw more and you'll eventually get it.

i'm assuming it's normal to spend an hour on a head only to have it look wonky and awful in every way?

>>2667316
It's normal for beginners to spend much more time than a person who's good at it, yes.

>>2667253
I instantly noticed the hip, it's more flat and slanted in the ref.

>>2667253

The hair looks like a blanket, it's like shes a lewd nun or something.

Don't fucking give advice when you're a beginner yourself

Fucking jesus

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>>2667315
How long does that honestly take
I have 2 pages of trash like this and it's killing my motivation to keep going

>>2667337
you don't have to be a professional to see when something looks wrong
also theres a bunch of people here who think they're still shit despite not being beginners

>>2667339

Use boxes and cylinders for now imo

>>2667339
I couldn't give you an honest answer. At least a week, if it could be mastered in a day, everyone could do it. Just take it one step at a time and you'll get better with each iteration. A good example to see how far you are is, think about whether you've done something a hundred times yet. If you haven't then you haven't really done it long enough yet.

>>2667337
LOL

>>2667302
figure drawing design and invention - michael hampton

>>2667356
Isn't that the book that gives people nightmares?

>>2667316
For a beginner sure

>>2667361
why would it give people nightmares? it's a good book and the cgma videos that go with it are good too if you can find them.

Michael Hampton's Figure drawing design and invention is in my opinion a very good introduction to figure drawing, however it's probobly unuseable until you already have a semi competent understanding of form and perspective

If I would grind still lifes for a week or 4 before even worrying about drawing something as stupidly complex as a person. It will develop you form perspective and ability to draw what you want to.

https://mangodrawingsatuni.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/michael-hampton-figure-drawing-design-and-invention.pdf

>>2667339
4u
>>2667374

>>2667374
Grind still lifes for a month, alright. I can do that. So that's like chairs and shit right? Cars probably? Day to day objects?

>>2667368
There's cgma videos that come along with them?

>>2667388
there's an associated cgma course called "analytical figure drawing" which michael hampton used to lecture, you can find the videos online

>>2667381

Dynamic Sketching brah.

>>2667403
Oh, really? That's easier than humans? Interesting.

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>>2667374
>>2667379
Thanks,I'm practicing it right now
I feel like I understand the basics of form and perspective in theory but just the practice of it is what kills me so I think this is actually perfect for me

How do I know when I have a good understanding of form?

>>2667408
That's an interesting way of saving files.

>Check the sticky
>"Do you draw like this? You're not that good"

Nigga I can't draw a stick figure half well and you're bringing in what's art in comparison

I feel like there is some barrier to enty in art where everyone has this prior knowledge and experience that I lack.

>>2667417
There isn't, It's all imaginary. Made up. You think everyone is ahead of you, but that's only because people never show how far behind they are. It doesn't matter where other people are as long as you improve anyways. I don't even really compare unless I'm studying something. It's pointless when progression is a long term process.

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I realize this is sloppy (first attempt at rendering in digital) can someone give me any pointers? I'm going through ctrl paint atm.

>>2666882
The lined paper obscures things and gives off the whole 'schoolgirl doodling her crush's name in her homework' vibe which is rather unprofessional.

>>2667429
Use a harder brush

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finally finished it c:

>>2667434
and made those one. My phone is too poor to folow what some anon said with the image quality, sorry. Currently copying some pencil masters (do you think it's okay to do that ?)

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>>2667440
>>2667434
forgot pic

>>2667434
I'm not really sure what I'm looking at, but it's pretty cool.

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>>2667445
Thanks, have a tree of mine as a token of gratitude !

>>2667452
Is this all done with pen? I kind of enjoy it really.

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day 3, trying to wrap my head around gesture and some faces from ref because I enjoy that

>>2667456
Damn, your observational skills are amazing. How long have you been drawing or at least just purely observational drawing?

>>2667461
90% of my art practice during high school before trying to actually learn the fundies like I am now was drawing heads from ref because it was what I was able to do mildly well and it became my comfy zone. That and still lifes. And you wouldn't say that if you saw the refs.

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Watched Vilppu's 1.5 hour Gesture video tonight and I understand what he is saying and drawing but I can't get it on paper. I can't feel the flow.

>>2667477
Pretty sure it comes with practice.
I think line economy and understanding which parts of the pose are the most essential to it's "essence" are the things you're trying to figure out while grinding gesture.

>>2667433
Always makes my rendering look sloppy, line over line. Not smooth. Maybe that's a brush setting.

>>2667482
Your rendering is already super sloppy.

>>2667454
yeah all pen, it's a tree i drew with my head turned face to the sky, thanks

>>2667491
It's amazing that I can feel some type of mood and emotion from just that drawing. It might also be because of whatever lighting you have, but it adds a nice touch to your work even if unintended.

>>2667494
Oh wow, even unintended i really appreciate the fact that you felt something watching my drawing. Really appreciate, you made my day.

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>>2666709
I know the head is completely off-angle. Where can I get material on foreshortening? Also general crits pls.

>>2667507
His left leg is a mess.

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>>2667509
God fucking dammit. It does look like a shrimp, As you can see I don't deal with foreshortening very well. Is this any better?

>>2667512
Different anon - it's better and looks like an actual leg, but it doesn't look like the photo. You made the thigh too long.
His right leg is too short though, and his right arm should be longer to match that. The head is tilted wrong, but you know that already.
There are a lot of inconsistencies and it'll be hell trying to fix this one. Just know the next one will be a lot easier since you'll have experience comparing your drawing to the proportions in a photo.

>>2667521
Thanks, I didn't put as much effort into recreating the picture as I did into recreating the pose and it really show. But your critique does tell me that I should spend more time on the foundation, since that's good practice either way. Again, thank you very much!

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How do I transition from this thread to the alt/style thread?

>>2667527
>>2667521

Actually I remembered I can't do measurements for shit, tips?

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Top - used sighting techniques from KtD

Bottom - used sighting techniques + Loomis construction from FwaP. Struggled with this one, especially with trying to discern simpler forms from the ref and getting the constructions to match what's in the ref.

>>2667374
>If I would grind still lifes for a week or 4 before even worrying about drawing something as stupidly complex as a person
How do I still lifes?

>>2667477
It's going to click. I was drawing shit like that until I eventually kept at it. What helped me was to keep taking into consideration aspects of gestures from multiple teachers.

>>2667540
>"transitioning" into the alt thread
pretend to be Kyle and draw really well rendered anime titties, or colorful little "quick doodles" of your favorite anime characters, alt-threaders love that shit, they'll beg for your blog like crazy.

>>2667557
Dynamic Sketching 1

>>2667567
Dynamic Sketching doesn't focus on still life...

>>2667327
>>2667329

Thanks I see the hip and the hair issues now, I'll fix those up before I render the rest

>>2666850
You can draw 16 hours a day and still be shit at it. This board likes to equate time to progression, but that's not at all necessarily true. It depends on what you take away from the time you draw and if you actually get better.

You should also probably just use a fuckin bic unless you feel you really need $20 worth of microns a week.

>>2667588
>This board likes to equate time to progression
I like to equate time to progression, because the more physically invested I am, the more I feel like I have progressed. It's more of a mental game than anything, maybe? It can't really be ever figured out since I always work long hours and don't want to spend only 3 hours a day to draw.

>>2667430
when you're learning, you're not a professional. It's an eyesore, but drawing is drawing and you can draw something amazing on lined paper

>>2667589
It depends on you and how you learn things. For me it's like running vs interval training. You can run for half an hour at 6 mph and that's great, but your body gets accustomed to it, you don't burn many calories, etc. If you do interval training and really push yourself, it's like forcing yourself to think critically about what you want to learn out of your art and makes you aware of your strengths and weaknesses.

But I'm one of those evil "hobbyists" around here who sometimes gets an hour a day to work on art and will still end up being better than most here because I don't take it so seriously, haha

>>2667593
there's no way you'll ever be better than me after i spend 10 hours drawing superimposed straight lines

>>2667602
I will concede in my straight line drawing skills

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help.

>>2667556
nigga how long does his nose fucking look?

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>tfw just got perspective made easy
>doing perspective is fun
>slowly losing my fear of making mistakes and having fun making attempts and seeing how it goes

we're all gonna make it friends

>>2667627
>tfw working on perspective too but with Aguri's guide
We'll make it!

>>2667012
Don't be afraid to come out of the midtone. Occlusion shadows and highlights would really make this malfoy pop. For personal reference, in nearly every photo I've studied, the highlight of the eye is pure white or extremely close to it. In every photo there is always at least 1 pixel with a value of 0 (white) and 1 pixel with a value of 100 (black). usually the 0 is in the yes or sometimes it's a bright light or a reflective button, and the black is usually in the nostrils, pupils, corners of mouth, areas like that. If you don't use the entire value range for a portrait you'll get a muddy, clay look.

My loomis'es look like mongoloids and I can't, for the love of my life, comprehend how eyes work.

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>>2667758
Forgot pic

>>2667562
Nothing wrong with anime tiddies you faggot

>>2667764
your noses and mouths are bad too, you arent thinking in 3d. for the easiest way to learn how to draw eyes was to to stop drawing the eyeballs all together, and to draw the brow ridge, glabella, and depressions of the eye sockets first

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How do I best learn "good enough" anatomy, I intend to stylize the shit out of everything but don't have the time to go through loomis.

>>2667887
>but don't have the time to go through loomis.
Yes you do, if you had the time to discover such a niche place like /ic/ and lurk, you have the time to read and put something in a piece of paper.

Hi /ic, does anyone have successful lifestyle advice to share? I'm a 20yo NEET seriously considering dedicating all my life to drawing

What do you do when you're *not* drawing?

>>2667903
>What do you do when you're *not* drawing?
Hol on, are there other things?

>>2666831
Use a hard round brush with pen pressure and the color picker to blend.

You can also use the smudge tool and mixer brush.

http://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/best-blending-tools-pt1
http://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/best-blending-tools-pt2
http://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/best-blending-tools-pt3

>>2667903
Normal subhumans pretty much eat and sleep, am I wrong?

>>2667903
Work out, the NEET lyfe will fuck your health up something fierce.
Trust me, I was NEET for five years and got up to 26 percent body fat despite being jacked as fuck when I started.

I feel like im polishing a turd at this point, I have no idea how you're supposed to get the proportions perfect when referencing a photograph like this.

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>>2667924
forgot to resize

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>day 3 of my journey
>start session
>a couple of minutes in, vision suddenly doubles
It's nothing serious right? I'll still be able to make it, right?

>>2667929
You're just straining your eyes, rest them every hour while doing your wrist exercises.

>>2667924
>>2667925
Learn construction and read the sticky my dude

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I decided to go back right to the beginning and run through the fundamentals because I am having a hard time creating the things I need to make.

Right now I'm failing contours in "Keys To Drawing".

I figure if I don't need a certain fundamental skill along the way, I'll just end up breezing through the book I'm reviewing and I'll just stick to a path of Dodson-Draw a Box-Loomis-Vilppu or whatever. I forgot the order.

Anyway. I'm 32 years old and I feel like I've failed my entire life. Can someone help me out?

The pictures I'm posting are of a webcomic character from the beginning of August to the end of the month. I studied a lot of construction, Proko, and Loomis. Hips still confuse me though. Badly.

What do you lads think of Michael Hampton's Design and Invention? I'm thinking of switching to it after Loomis' heads.

>>2667956
it's good, it's recommended in the sticky, read it.

>>2667956
Its pretty good.
Best explanation I've see for gesture

How important is it to actually share your work with anyone in your opinion? I have recently just stopped posting any of my artwork and I don't feel any different. I mean these are all just studies.. throw-away's right so who cares?

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any help with the form of the clothes

>>2667994
It's not important at all, people post here for advice on things they don't understand or to mark milestones.

You don't have to do regular updates if you don't want too.

>>2667934
Can you elaborate? Whats wrong with the construction.

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Feel like i'm going about painting in a fundamentally wrong way, pls help

>>2668003
I kind of meant in general, like showing others your art at all. I feel like your answer applies.

>>2668000

You working from a reference to compare the two or is this original?

Cause you have an unrealistically amount of folds going on. If it's from reference and I don't know what's up, then that's cool. Otherwise you folds are going to be more complex around the joints and a more scarce and large away from them.

Like, your folds are a lot like how you did her hair. The hair's fine, btw. Just you went pretty all-out there.

>>2668009
Posting your work helps to build a following, which isn't a bad thing to have.
it also lets you show off and receive praise, which boosts the ego and makes art more enjoyable.

Of course that last part only applies if you don't post on /ic/, which is famously not a hug box.

>>2668022
no reference, i have not much experience with the folds, maybe the line of the folds have to be more homogeneous, and less saturated from random lines. in the chest zone they looks really weird.

>>2668008
Looks like a normal block-in. At this stage you just need to clean it up. Get some cleaner and more precise shapes in important areas, and in other areas you can start to blend things together a bit more.

>>2668058
ok thank you, i'll simplify it then blend.

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Its been a while since I last posted a pic. I grew a dick, bought some soft pencils and started practicing value instead of doing some light shading with a 2H.

Hopefully you can give me some more advice while I keep going at it.

Cheers /ic/

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>>2667558
>>2667480
Did a few more after watching more videos. These are 2 minutes. I guess I'll keep at it for a few weeks and then compare.

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>>2666700
Tips for doing the hair ?

>>2668188
Shading is too messy or smeared. Try working from light to dark with the values.

>>2668191
thanks, i'll try

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drawabox is far too hard

Any online resources for pose/gesture drawing?

>>2668221
No

>>2667477
I was getting frustrated when i was doing this with his video, but i kept trying and trying, slowly understanding, and then i got that eureka moment and made huge leap in understanding. This shit just takes time. Watch his video, draw alng with him, then go and try on your own. Next day repeat, you don't have to watch whole thing just parts you think are crucial. Very helpful are gesture he does at hte end, try to copy every line he do, eventually you will understand enough to do them by yourself. I myself watched only this video many, many times, sometimes whole, sometimes jus parts of it.

>>2668221
you're gonna make it

>>2668268
*not

>>2667567
can i use dynamic sketching 1 instead of draw a box?

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If I try really hard at Drawabox but still do disgustingly shamefully terribly bad, is it still worth my time?

>>2668302
You'll suck at everything the first times you do it, cuteanon. Just keep at it and you'll be as successful as me.

>>2668302
What do you think?

>>2668302
Draw a box will teach you the tools you need to draw, you actually have to use them by drawing.

>>2667217
you can draw better cylinders than me

>>2667120
pls guys

>>2667120
Both. You have to study both.

>>2668312
>tfw always doing drawabox because don't know what to draw

>>2666882
you really should focus on using less lines to draw, actually think before you put a line down.

>>2668334
Just draw naked women, like everyone else here does.
Use the texture and cylinder exercises to give them scaled dicks.

>>2668401
I can't draw people, anon. Unless abstract is okay.

>>2668410
You can draw people anon, just keep doing it until the result isn't poor looking.
Start with gestures to get an understanding of the human body and motion/ form.

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Halp

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alright this is the lot

>>2668088
I also got my pencils today, I had a 2H and an HB only.
I hope I can give some depth and more intense values to my drawings now, I even got a 12B wtf.
Can't wait to try them out.

As for your drawing, I'm a noob so it looks nice.
Maybe the tip of the nose is a bit weird, and doesn't seem to align with the mouth too well.
Got a ref?

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>start off with some gestures
>want to try actually drawing something
>start with head
>going good
>just about to start on body
>family members come in and start saying I need to do X because they do Y
>they always do this when I'm in the middle of drawing during the day
>become ultra salty and lose all motivation and get frustrated

Fucking annoying as shit, there is a reason I lock my fucking door. Anyways enough ranting.

I can't seem to get my head around drawing the torso with an oval. Like it just does't click and I don't see it.

>>2668448
Because it's not an oval. It's a sphere.

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>>2668453
b-but they always say draw an oval. I am so confused now

>>2668522
Think of it in 3D instead of 2D, an oval is a 2D shape.

>>2668522

It's more like an egg. You might want to check outt Proko's robo bean and rib cage video.

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I'm fucking shite at making drawabox blobs looks 3D

just bully me for it

>>2668541
Keep at it anon! I believe in you! You can do it!

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>>2668542

Is it common to have headaches when learning perspective?

>>2668548

Yeah. Once you start seeing in 3d it gets a little easier.

>>2666699
Is OP pic real exercises or just dicking around?

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>tfw lazy eye
>very little depth perception
fuck

>>2668541

Me too, dude. I can't fucking.. Well, I can do it, but I'm not convinced.

What I'm thinking might help is to, say, draw a pear or something in life and then add contours to it to learn how to get a real feel for the depth and form. Then making ones from imagination may turn out better.

>tfw you've done drawabox exercises and feel sore in your shoulder
Feels good.

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and this one.

>>2668564
Whoa, is this a tutorial, this seems interesting.

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I did an abstract painting on my leg, trying to explore how colors behave and their relationships to eachother.

I like how it turned out and am thinking about refining it and maybe making it into a watercolor type abstract tattoo someday. Any advice on how to start refining something like this?

>>2668551
Some of them are Drawabox exercises. They really do help, even at the least as a warmup every day. Helped my circles and boxes.

>>2668551
It's from dynamic sketching with Peter Han.
There's texture studies, organic form practice, ellipse practice, and line practice in there.
Why that anon decided to put them all on one page is above me.

i feel like im lacking direction. i practice the same shit every day and draw bad images. some days i make small improvements when i stumble across a good technique or method of thinking but i cant shake the feeling that im doing things wrong. its only natural to draw bad things when you are bad, by drawing more you get better. but is it not also true that practicing something badly will only make you better at doing it badly?

sometimes i make improvements but a lot of the time i dont. i feel like im lacking direction. if only i had a higher skilled version of myself to tell me exactly what to do.

i dont mean to be so self deprecating, i do draw good things sometimes and i do make improvements. i just cant help but think i have some holes in the way i look at things. its really not too large a problem and i only feel like this occasionally, its just now is one of those occasions.

guys, how do i get better?

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Some photo manipulatipn I was messing around with (robot 1/4)

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>>2668590
2/4

I am looking for critiques, if anyone wants to give. Thanks so much.

>>2668589
You are getting better.

As long as you know what's "perfect", you're probably striving for that and so you never can really do anything wrong unless you're trying to copy a bad example.

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>>2668594
3/4

perspective made easy was a very enjoyable break from grinding anatomy and heads

are there any similar recommendations for enjoyable useful books?

>>2668595
i feel like i know there are better ways to practice but i dont know them. sometimes i improve like a rocket but sometimes its really slow, i dont know exactly and perfectly how to practice efficiently, i think thats what im worried about.

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>>2668565
yeah its a tutorial I made because someone was asking how to draw hands.

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>>2668596
And here's the original photo.

I made them all just using instagram and other really basic/free apps on my phone, which I know is not awesome.

Is photoshop or another legitimate digital art program like it that worth the purchase if I want to make more things like this? I've just been fucking around on my phone so far and am thinking about trying to be more legit. So expensive though...

>>2668601
You don't need to. Just keep at what you're doing. It's not wrong. It feels wrong, but we all feel that way. It's later when you get better, your confidence will build up and you'll realize what you need to do.

As well as with progress, it is like a rocket sometimes with long plateaus. It's weird like that. You go up in increments instead of steady progress. I guess you can say your brain just suddenly understands the information after a while and clicks so improvement is all jumpy.

>>2668608
its frustrating, friend. but maybe im just complaining childishly. ill keep at it and see if this feeling changes. ty.

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Didn't get to spend as much time drawing today as I would have liked, but it's something.

Day 4.

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>>2667956
>>2667966

>>2668684
>tfw it looks so much more easier than it is done

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>>2668692
It's just a couple wavy lines bro how hard can it be?

>>2668700
Smug-chan, it's not just a couple wavy lines. It's a couple wavy lines placed in the most efficient way of conveying the form and releasing the energy.

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How am i doing guys ?

>>2668738
Whoa, how long you been drawing? If you can do it, I can do it.

>>2668739
like one week, my tablet got here this month

>>2668741
>one week
W-well, I guess you can do anything if you put the time in.

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>>2668739
got here and i found a book called Keys of Drawing by Bert Dodson

drew this shit first

>>2668745
Is this off a reference? Either way, you have a surprisingly good hand for form.

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>>2668748
kinda that, then started to improve with the tips the book has on it. I'd totally recommend it, search for it, Keys of Drawing By bert dodson

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heres more shit from delacroix mixed with some shit i like

>>2668750
>>2668756
You're pretty inspirational to me now. Hope to see you around. I have the book on hand, but I've been working on another skillset lately.

>>2668762
Just follow the book and look for tutorials on youtube, If you get bored doing what the book says, leave it aside and draw something you like, and pick the book some time later!

>>2668766
side note: I draw like shit on real paper, maybe becouse i dont have good pencils :l

>>2668738
>>2668745
>>2668750
>>2668756
i refuse to believe you've only been drawing one week

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>>2668818
look at the creation date, man. Im not lying xd, just read books and have a lot of patience

>>2668738
>>2668745
>>2668750

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Trying to draw bodies in perspective

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>>2668831

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Got lazy with the eyelashes.

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>this young nigga is actually doing Loomis sh*t instead of just saying he does while doing absolutely nothing like the rest of us

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>>2668838
why are you censoring yourself

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>>2668843
>he isn't aware of the ironically censoring yourself meme

It's like it's 2015 all over again.

>>2668824
The reason people are sounding so impressed is because they probably haven't determined the time they "truly" started drawing with the intent to get better. Looking at your one week display reminded me the one semester in art class where I managed to produce my first moderate level drawings

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Going for a cartoony look (I suck at Beanies and Hats)

>>2668878
I think you need to work on fundies a lot more before attempting cartoons

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>>2668878

>>2668881
This triggers me. Brings back bad memories of Loomis.

>tfw you're never going to make it.

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>>2668882
are you mocking loomis-senpai?

>>2668878
Sorry bud, but you're pretty bad all around. That hand you've drawn shows me that you don't quite know how to draw from observation yet, so to start with you'll need to study from a book (Keys to Drawing or Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain for starters) to improve there and then move on to Fun With a Pencil. You can do it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-sfG8BV8wU

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why

>>2668884
Not even close. It's more like he was mocking me.
>try Fun with a Pencil
>Loomis tells you to do a sphere and put features on it
>Okay, easy enough
>Except it isn't
>Loomis just casually pulling out all different variations like I can even do it correct once

What's the best way to study Michael Hamptons figure drawing design and invention, is it just to apply the techniques to your own drawings or is it like loomis where you have to draw whats shown on every page

>>2668888
Do both? Like what kind weird ass question is that?

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>>2668888
nice digits, friend

>>2668889
He dosen't state (hey draw this) like loomis, it's instead just a bunch of gesture drawings with some tips and tricks on the side

>>2668891
>the course is only 8 weeks long
I gotta step up my game or else I'll fall behind.

>>2668893
he normally teaches it over 10 weeks, but shortened it for CGMA

>>2668891
>100 Gesture Drawings for Week 1
Hah, I do that for warm up.

>>2668895
Any before afters from the course takers?

>>2668903
can't find any, but i'll make one when i take it

>>2668910
Cool, when will that be?

>>2668912
sometime next year, i suspect

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:/

>>2668962
nice job bud

>>2666981
horrifying

>>2668268
>>2668270
Now I need an evangelion edit with loomis in it
>You're (not) gonna make it

>>2668878
>cartoony look
aka I don't know what I'm doing and reading books is for fags look

>>2667417

Nope. Some of the books in the sticky are legit. I'd recommend Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain to demystify the process, followed by Keys to Drawing to build a fundamental base. From there, let interest guide you.

Loomis/Proko/Vilppu aren't doing it for me, and I learn best by video anyway. So how do I go about learning how to draw people correctly? I have tons of anatomy books/etc but they seem to not be helping.

>>2668561
work on a higher resolution and lower your brush size

>>2668553
I think I have lazy eye too. People have asked if I have it and I sometimes feel like my left eye is starting to go in different direction and I need to ''keep it in check''.. How can I know if it's affecting my depth perception?

>>2669011
Hey at least you can keep an eye on your drawing and one on the streets

>>2668974
I had that idea a while ago but never knew the font the posters used.

>>2669015
lol. Doesn't seem hard to fix though, just play a pirate ~3hrs a day and do some exercises. Guess I have to just go get diagnosed.

>>2668869
next level

Lazy eye anon here, how can I check if my perception is fucked or not?

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>>2669080
Nvm, found an internet test and according to it I need to go to see optrometrist. FUCK my life.

I have been depressed for a while and this drawing thing is the only thing that has given me hope. Of COURSE I have some bullshit condition that affects the only thing I'm into in this world. Fuck. My. Life.

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Tried to draw Mikey's Rebellious Slave. Pretty shit ain't it?

>>2669132

On a technical level, yeah, it isn't good. But it's not all that bad for a beginner's observational drawing. That's a good direction you're going in.

There's a definite lack of anatomy knowledge or form going on. Those come with time and differing study anyway.

If you have negative feelings about your skills, you shouldn't. Counter productive. This is pretty much what you're going to be turning out. The idea is to see that what you made is flawed, find those flaws, and fix them in your next drawing.

>>2669001

This is a weird question. Proko and Vilppu have videos.

What exactly is your problem with drawing people? The anatomy books aren't going to help at all if you can't fundamentally draw to begin with.

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>>2669140
Eh I just feel disappointed whenever I finish a drawing, knowing that there is much more to be improved and feel bad over small mistakes I don't notice. I should probably stop doing that.

Also here's another quickie I made right now. This time it's the Dying Slave.

>>2668088
The eye in the centre of her face has a subtly wrong angle. It's easy to pass over the first time but it keeps drawing you back to it.

>>2668962
Lines are a little sloppy but the form is good. The one on the right middle almost looks human; did you abort a child and are currently projecting?

>>2668428
Tim Curry?

The eye on the right has some messed up eye shadow. You might have combined the eye lashes with some make-up / shadow to make one super shape. This makes it really confusing to look at. Try differentiating the shapes through values or something to give that eye more definition.

>>2668553
Doesn't affect you drawing from a 2D screen man, don't worry about it.

hoooooooo makes wondeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Is it normal to feel overwhelmed? I signed up for classes and started looking at the Keys to Drawing and jeez, it feels like a bottomless pit of despair

>>2669473

No anon, you don't understand. You have to become the despair, just looking won't do. How many hours did you practice today?

>>2669503
I've been trying to draw this upside down man for like an hour it feels like and I'm pretty frustrated, but that's nothing I think.

>>2669499
>>2669499
>>2669499

NEW THREAD

>>2669499
>>2669499
>>2669499

>>2668750
pretty okay shit desu.

but when trying to study from another's drawing, pay attention to the angle of the lines/shading. you can very clearly see how the marks on the right drawing were placed/imagine the hand movements involved, but you seem to be scribbling in any direction when you shade.

also work on your shape recognition, your kitty (while recognizable and pretty damn good from a layman's perspective) looks all wonky and stretched. draw from life more and practice replicating shapes a couple of times on your paper. a good way to do this is to draw/imagine a perpendicular "grid" on the reference, and sketch them lightly into your drawing

>>2670215
Thanks man!

>>2670215
>stretched

just resized it on paint so it looks out of its shit, but maybe it looks a bit stretched at the end

>>2668834
It shows. Broaden your horizons, stop drawing single eyes. It's incredibly boring and done by every artist who likes to think of it as proof that they're "good".

>>2669147

What I mean is, Vilppus videos suck, and Proko is cringeworthy and not very helpful.

>>2670449
you're probably not at the level where you can understand villpu's video's yet. I too still have a hard time understanding them. Just draw whatever you want for now and get better by simply drawing everyday. In time you will get at a level where you can begin to understand and appreciate his video's

So I've been drawing for about a year and I need a really good book to start learning how to paint.
Any suggestions my fellow /beg/s ?