/beg/ - BEGINNER THREAD

>>2663563
Yes, drawabox has some problems with the learning curve. Try drawing the diagonal cubes separately first, in your drawing they are com[letely off.

>>2663574
>don't worry
Yes he should worry, his perspective is wrong.

>>2663606
>Draw a box is complete shit a perspective
Not really. Yeah he has issues with cylinders, but they are difficult.

>learning from him or her will make you worse
No it will not.

>That drawing is a fisheye perspective of a flat wall of cubes, not a sphere of cubes, this is fucking confusing for beginners
That is a sphere of cubes.

>None of those "rotated" cubes would share the same vanishing point or horizon line
And they fucking don't. He actually mentions it in the exercise.

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>>2663614
hello?

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Thoughts?

>>2663625
how is a chin that small in that angle?

>>2663614
i realised, thanks. i think i'll do some additional reading on perspective as well before moving on.

>>2663626
I compared to the ref, part of the chin is hidden in the shadow area above the collar but I just noticed it's not really obvious in my drawing.

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>>2663623
Hi.

>>2663623
I mean yeah, he drew it wrong but he writes how it should be done.

>>2663625
Post the reference.

>>2663635
>>2663636
Ah so the author is just utterly incompetent, even worse. Every time I see draw a box brought up, it comes with complete confusion for the poster because everything is wrong. It is such a trap.

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>>2663637

Ok beginner here, should I bother with Drawabox? I have now heard so much shit about it.

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Tactical girls are my fetish

>>2663661
No, of course not! It's not like it's great or anything! No way! Just believe /ic/!

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>>2663661
Look for yourself.

Keep in mind you don't HAVE to learn from one source your entire life like some kind of university student. It is best to learn the same topic from multiple sources because people explain things differently and you'll pick up what is intuitive to you.

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>>2663594
Why do I keep fucking noses up

>>2663673
Its not just the nose m8. your not drawing in 3d at all.

you should try drawing a model from the inside out, or try drawing the same object from multiple angles.

>>2663662
>пpocтo тpaхaть мoё дepьмo ввepх
kek

>>2663666
Have you been reading begginer threads or even this thread for a matter? The fucking cylinder, fucked up and the author fucked up the boxsphere.

Not trusting that site anymore, unless someone with good art posts and says that he used Drawabox. Until then it's just a memesite in my eyes. I'd rather learn from someone who doesn't fuck up their theory in practice.

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>>2663586
How do I get rid of chickenscratching? Also the leg should be longer.

>>2663638
His course is republished version of peter hans sketching course, it will naturally be a bit shitty.

>>2663690
Plan the line out in your mind before drawing it, every single time you draw the line.

>>2663680
That's a valid point, I still can't get my head around making things 3D
It feels really weird because I have more or less good understanding of what perspective is and how it works, and how basic light works

I don't feel like photo references are helping me much in this matter since it's originally a 2D object, I probably should do some objects from real life

>>2663662

I would go over on a new layer and make cleaner lines. Lineart isn't a quick thing, it takes time and really tests the patience/endurance of an artist.

>drawabox
>you're supposed to draw lines in pen before you even know what they're going to look like, and then you're encouraged not to fix or erase them

fuck that I'm using pencil and I'm using a rubber, the choice is:
>use pencil, correct mistakes until I know what I'm doing
>use pen, don't correct mistakes, keep drawing shite until the ink runs out

>>2663761
Actually, encouraging you to draw in pen is probably the best thing drawabox does. Stop bitching and put your pencil away.

>>2663761
Mix some stuff and use a pencil with no eraser.

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>>2663768
how does it help for me to have shitty first attempt work over the best work i could produce but with some erasing?

>>2663690
http://friendlyhand.deviantart.com/journal/Tips-for-smooth-clean-line-art-359879866

Also, do a rendering book of whatever tools you are using (pen, pencil, etc)

>>2663858

The idea is to develop confident strokes and learning to do it right the first time, rather than being timid and having do-overs. Practicing that way makes you deliberate, which is a good habit to have even if you might do a pencil underdrawing for finished works down the line.

I'm fairly new here so I don't know the local meems. What are fundies? I know it means fundamentals, but are you guys referencing anything in particular? Sorry for being a retard.

>>2663761

>use pen, don't correct mistakes, keep drawing shite until the ink runs out

You correct your mistakes by noticing you made them, going "god fucking damn it I just fucked this up." and trying the exercise again, this time not making the mistake. And if you make the same mistake a second time, you do it all over again until you get it right.

I find this is actually a pretty good incentive to learn to get it right. Just going "oops" and whipping out the eraser doesn't have much consequence. You'll notice that lots of digital artists especially will do the same stroke like 30 times and keep ctrl z-ing it because they never developed line control, because they crutch on the undo button and just keep firing buckshot until they accidentally get it right. When you see somebody do a good ink drawing, you see them do their lines with careful precision, on the first go, because the medium is unforgiving.

>>2663872

I think people have different ideas of what they are (and how important certain ones are to their goals) but these are what I think of when I hear "fundamentals"

Understanding shapes / forms.
Construction
Color theory (and values)
Composition
Anatomy (if you're figure drawing)
Proportions
Perspective
Gesture

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i'm on week two
and i still can't even copy from reference

>>2663889
I see, thank you very much.

Outside of Loomis/Perspective Made Easy/sitting my stupid ass down outside and drawing from life, are there any other good books I should be checking out?

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>>2663918
>week two
Try week fifty two

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someone please help me fix this.

why is drawing lines so fucking satisfying?

>>2663976
elaborate.

>>2663976
you're gonna make it

>>2663929
Other than drawing drawing, take some time out and look at art books and such to see how the masters do things. Drawing Lessons from the Great Masters is a good guideline on how to breakdown an image and what you can learn from it.

>>2663976
Because drawing lines is a subconscious metaphor for drawing national borders which provides a racial-psycho-sexual thrill for cis white males such as yourself.

>>2663963
what is the purpose of drawing the lines all over the legs and feet? the lines on the face don't exactly make sense either.
the foot on the floor is super fucked up.

>>2664007
kek

>>2663963
You're chicken-scratching like mad and getting lazy with the lines around the legs. If you're trying to imply form then your lines need to be consistent and always made with a definite and obvious purpose.

Btw is this from ref or imagination?

>>2664013
Bad case of leg hair

>>2664013
the lines were to help me figure out the right direction and how the shape was gonna form out for later on.
and yeah, foot looked fucked to me as well. not that experienced with drawing feet.
>>2664021
imagination, been trying to get our of chicken scratching using the S and C curve, just need more more practice i guess.

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>>2663963
Here you are.

>>2663963
If it makes you feel any better, I want to fuck your drawing

>>2664051
>imagination

That's pretty fantastic anon, keep it up and maybe check out the drawabox to help improve your line confidence.

>>2664054
thanks for the red lining anon.
>>2664055
decent man
>>2664059
alright, ill give that a look today.

to build my understanding and grasp of form better should i try drawing boxes in perspective and say drawing objects on my desk?

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I still can't tell if I'm doing this right. These were 60 seconds.

>>2663929
This is the first book anybody should read in my opinion. https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ztjvzartubmx4cd/AAD9-DQZXKNO736dGR60e-8pa/The%20New%20Drawing%20On%20The%20Right%20Side%20Of%20The%20Brain.pdf?dl=0

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>>2663931
Oi Bateman desu

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Quick sketch

Opinions?

>>2664179
Better than a complete beginner but lacks knowledge of facial proportions. Bottom of ear should go to bottom of nose, top of ear should go to eyebrow, nose should be shorter, etc.

>>2663656
Why would you draw from such a shitty screencap

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>>2663918
>that nigga with the P90
Every fucking time

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pls no bully

>>2664272
Go draw some boxes

>>2664272
i feel like i made her tinier and fatter, also i went lazy with the objects

>>2664276

her shoulder is bigger than her fucking stomach, I'm triggered

>>2664272
Proportions out of wack. Measure better. Pick up some Keys to Drawing.

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>>2663656
Shitty ref, you basically draw from imagination if doing any detail. Get reference from here or reference thread, yes?

>>2663982
when i just like draw random shit as long as involves line like drawing a box drawing human head or just drawing random shit it feels satisfying as fuck i dont get why.

>>2664007
sexual thrill? LOL when i say satisfying thats not the way i mean it
>white males
no

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thoughts?

>>2664448
What do you think?

>>2664462
I think i lack in proportions and angles am seeking advice on how to improve :)

>>2664470
I hate to throw so much doubt on you but you are currently symbol drawing and your technique is lacking. Have a read of the beginners guide attached in the OP and work through the books it recommends you. You can find a PDF of those books in the book thread.

You're basically at a long grind from here as you are at square 1, try and make it as fun as possible. Good luck!

>>2664477
Thank you

>>2664448
Is that a photo of yourself?

>>2664497
no lol

>>2664504
Are you sure? The guy looks so familiar to me. Is he from Northern Europe?

>>2664448
whered you get this picture you fucking faggot

>>2664548
>>2664557
hes a faggot from my school

>>2664548
>are you sure
Oh shit I didn't realize that was me!

>>2664573
silly anon! ;P

Hey guys question, are super newbies allowed in this thread? The worst work in here is still alright, I howevwr cannot even draw a box letalone a good stick figure.

>>2664585
no, make a new thread The One Sketch Man

>>2664588

We really aren't welcome here?

Can i get a second opinion in here? Do you guys really not allow people fresh off the boat?

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>>2664589
Why would you care about how the others feel when you're posting as a beginner in the beginner thread?

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>>2664591

Becuause when pic related is your greatest creation, you don't really feel like you should be here.


Please I just want to know if newcomers bad as me can stay.

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Just got my tablet

Please kill me.

>>2664593
You weren't trying on that.

>>2664598

Alright, post something for me to draw. I'll give it my best.

If its that terrible I'll leave if you ask.

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>>2664600
If you're such an inconfidant cuck you're asking this you should leave

>>2664600
This is a beginner thread, if you're a beginner no one is going to stop you from participating

But drop this retarded attitude

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>>2664602

Already drew it. Another please.

>>2664604

And im sorry if you guys think im insecure its just I'd rather not annoy a community with unwarented ego when I'll need it sooner or later to help me be the artist I've decided I want to be recently.

>>2664608
Just shut the fuck up and draw boxes you nigger.

>>2664600
Seriously at this point it seems like you aren't going to make it. ''I'll leave if you ask''. Seriously?

If you truly want to get good you shouldn't give a FUCK what others say, all you need to know is that you want to get good. Do whatever it takes to get there and focus on that only.

>>2664608
Go do the exercises over at Drawabox

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Started drawing few days ago, picked up some books and got into it. Am i decent ?

>>2664619
Guess you didn't read the first half of the post.

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>>2664600
>Alright, post something for me to draw.

http://www.ctrlpaint.com/videos/what-should-i-draw-today

>>2639209

>>2663190

https://www.reddit.com/r/sketchdaily

>>2664593
>m-muh I don't know how to draw I wish I did

Mate, nobody is born knowing how to flight a plane. They learn it.

Loomis,Draw-a-box, and Keys to Drawing

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>>2664622

>>2664625

Been using Drawabox, been on lesson 1 since yesterday. I'll check out Keys To Drawing right this second, thanks.

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>>2663594
I fucked up

>>2664634
yes, look at the line from the cheek to the forehead, in the picture it doesnt changes the slope

>>2664593
Anon the best part of beginner threads are the total beginners, please don't go.

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Sorry for the shitty picture, it's all I have. I tried drawing this Pokémon, and although I'm okay with the result, I have the feeling the lineart needs better polishing - it's barely noticeable. I'm using a 2H-8B graphite set, btw.

How do I improve it?

Here's a reference, btw: http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/0/07/714Noibat.png/250px-714Noibat.png

>>2664727
i literally cannot make anything precise out of this

>>2664595
P-Please respond

>>2664734
i think the shoulder area is tough to draw too.

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>>2663595

>>2664732
Exactly what I'm asking for. The lineart isn't properly done. I don't even know how to separate two dark patches.

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im really bad, i know
but. im having a hard fucking time finding a consistant way of drawing the construction of the body.

The torso,hips, and legs give me the biggest problems (among the many)

Can anyone help me out with this? I cant seem to get the legs or pelvis to look how I want it.

and I always draw the torso too long.

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>>2663596
>>2663594

>>2664747
oh god, thats fucking horrible

>>2663585
I've seen some artists build 3D models to pose when trying to consistently sketch/paint a character whom otherwise doesn't have any real-life reference photos to go off of, eg monsters or machines.

I don't really consider it cheating if it's just for having the reference at all to maintain consistency.

What kind of modeling and posing programs do people use, if any?

>>2664753
manga studio has built in 3d models and can import them as well. so you can get em from sketchup.

>>2664747
>bad, i know
>but. im having a hard fucking time finding a consistant way of drawing the construction of the body.
>The torso,hips, and legs give me the biggest problems (among the many)
>Can anyone help me out with this? I cant seem to get the legs or pelvis to look how I want it.

practice proportions and such from loomis use head measurements to confirm accuracy. look up some tutorials on shapes you can use for the hips and stuff. keep practicing ...

>>2663865
What's a rendering book?

>>2664768
its a book about how to render in whatever medium your trying to learn (pencil pen so on)
you get one and you do all the exercises in them.

>>2664595
gestures etc.

>>2664778
Okay, thanks anon.

>>2664595
>>2664734
hand on the bottom right looks way too long
middle finger on the hand in the top left looks broken
and yeah you should study arms and how they are connected to the body

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trying out some ruined statue concept. is the proportion correct? his arm seems too long i guess

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Another day, more shit. I cannot believe after 3 months of trying to draw torsos I still can't. I have tried so many fucking methods and I feel like I just can't retain it no matter how much I watch/draw it. At this point I am starting to feel that I just don't have what it takes to draw or the discipline to stick to trying to learn one thing at a time. For example I said I would start learning perspective and guess what? I worked on it for one night and haven't gone back to it. And yes I tried to imitate pops.

>>2664834
have you used reference and all that ?

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>>2664836
Yeah I use a reference most of the time. I feel I was better back when I started out and just drew and copied. At least I felt like I was improving. When I first started drawing back in March I was copying anime scenes and stuff that I liked with each time being faster and better. For example, I told myself I was going to do one portrait a day like the ones on the bottom of the image but stopped at the 3rd one cause I wanted to do more anime stuff. And here I am today and still can't draw for shit.

>>2664820
>Image size


Anatomy is off, from your construction. Neck is too thick. Shoulder is too low on the closwer side - makes the forearm shorter to compensate.

Looks like he skipped leg day.

>>2664849
welll drawing anime will not teach you the fundies you need to understand it. believe me i wanted to draw anime when i first got into art and stuff but in order to do it from imagination you need to know good construction and anatomy and what not. my stuff looked a lot like yours. draw every day, don't expect it to come quickly. whenever you draw from reference don't copy it , construct it to learn and understand it. vilppu said we dont copy the model we only use it as a tool. do more studies in this way. it takes a long time to get good, if you have only been drawing since march that is not a long time, it will take a few years of persistent study to get good. you need more mileage.

>>2664849
also how long and often do you draw for. i would recommend you draw every day for several hours to improve.
also try drawing on paper more, you can scan in and line art it later, i think its much easier to construct on paper then fix it in digital later and line art and what not.

>>2664849
are you tracing?

>>2664849
Study bones and muscles

>>2664868 here

>>2664860
i also thought some of those looked traced

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Gonna post a few things, been working on a few styles.

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>>2664885

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>>2664890

>>2664895
>>2664890
>>2664885
you need extreme amounts of work....

>>2664866
I typically draw about 2 hours a day. On my good days I usually draw for a total of 5 ~ 6 hours but that is maybe once or twice a week at most.

>>2664860
>>2664873
I've tried many forms of construction and all in all I still can't "see" it. I have attempted to read 4 different books and only manage to get about 30 pages into them before I move on to something else.

>>2664875
>>2664868
No tracing but I tried my hardest to copy it as much as possible. Most of the traditional ones took me anywhere between 2 ~ 5 hours to draw. If I just traced them they would look much better.


A lot of the times I feel like I need someone to hold my hand in order for me to learn. For example back when I was in 9th grade and we were learning Algebra or whatever the hell they were teaching in that grade I could not wrap my head around it not matter how hard I tried. It wasn't until I sat down with the teacher and asked him to explain multiple problems to me step by step until I got it. Once it made sense to me I held the highest grade in that math class for the rest of the year.

>>2664902
>A lot of the times I feel like I need someone to hold my hand in order for me to learn.

So watch videos of people using construction and working from references.

I come in these threads to laugh at all you beginners and feel better about myself

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>>2664905
By all means recommend me some.

>>2664448
this guys face makes me physically ill. Those blemishes are just deep wells of puss that demons placed so all humanity may ruin their eye sight in just one oily fucking glance

>>2664913
http://www.newmastersacademy.org/figure-drawing-glenn-vilppu-part-1-gesture/

And the rest of the figure drawing series by vilppu.

>>2664899
Any specific pointers or just tear down and start from scratch?

>>2664923
b-but, i literally have no money! is there a shared account i can access?

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is the left wing too trashy? what about the talons?
i'm desperate.

>>2664929
well i'm not the same anon but i can tell that you really need to work on anatomy and other core foundations. Start from scratch.

>>2664932
do you use reference?

>>2664931
Either get a job or learn how to find your own free shit.

https://thepiratebay.org/torrent/7409774/Vilppu_Studio._(Anatomy__Drawing_Manual__Head_Anatomy_and_Constr

>>2664929
It feels like you're mashing together stuff from "how to draw X" tutorials without understanding what you're drawing

If you're symbol drawing (I can't tell for sure since those a stylyzed drawings), you should start from pretty much square one

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>>2664885
>>2664890
>>2664895
every thread

>>2664929
hey original anon. yeah just start from scratch, ignore style for now.it will only get you made fun of for being one of those "muh style" people. learn the real thing first then stylize much later.

>>2664948
Thank you for the pointers (everybody)
I'll go ahead and brush up on anatomy from the top.

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>>2664936
yes I did, here it is

>>2663594
Is that sea behind him? Id he fucking flying?

>>2664964
The talons are wrong, the right wing is too small and you drew some furry zig-zaggy lines isdeat of its feathers. Look at drawabox's texture study lessons.

>>2664971
It's a wall...

>>2664906
hope you have fun

>>2664980
Fug :DD Looks like sea from a plane.

>>2664976
I didn't draw the feather textures because I wanted to keep it a simple sketch.
But textures are, in fact, my arch-enemy. Will definetly take a look at that! Thanks!

>>2663918
>>2664272
>>2664448
>>2664747
>>2664885

stop drawing. this isnt a hobby for you

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>people still recommending drawabox

>>2665003
probably a fair assessment

i'm gonna keep deconstructing and drawing mundane things for like a month before i decide to give up though, if i see any improvement it proves my theory

>>2664608
Holy fuck that's horrible.
The point of the exercise is not to allow your brain to think in symbols, but man, your brain is very powerful at symbolizing.

>>2664608
oh my, an anti-spark!

>>2664620
I like it, maybe fix the ear a bit, the inside is different from the outside.

>>2665007
The ghosting lines thing helped me a lot actually.
I don't get the ellipses part, but the cubes perspective also seems to convey some knowledge, despite his lesson about it just sucks, there's a few key elements that helped me get boxes in perspective to look decent.
Hope it gets better after the basics.

>>2665000
That's okay, you don't need to go into details with a sketch, but what your drawing lacks is the proper silhouette .

>>2665021

I'm literally autistic. My parents never had the nerve to diagnose me but i know its true. So I'm sorry if I'm having difficulty breaking out of symbols.

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Eh?

>>2665064
If that is a wolf then I'm a dryad. Did you use a reference or is it just imagination?

It's also a shitty picture: take the photo from orthogonally above, and try to get a clearer value/tone distinction. From what I can tell now, your drawing is flat as can be. (Biggest mistake: feet are all on one line)

>>2665064
Why is it so hard to see? Use a darker pencil.

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I reached Loomis' chapter on muscles (page 59) - a bunch of low quality black-and-white references crammed in a few pages

Is it enough for studying at this level, or should I go after something better?

>>2665040
Then it sounds weird you have issues with symbols, you should be pretty damn good at copying exactly what you see, being pragmatic and usually not creative.
Although it depends on a whole lot of factors, so this might not be the case.

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I am practising dynamic sketching everyday. I hope to improve.

>>2665148
you're gonna make it

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Ive been drawing a bit lately but unfortunately my photoshop and tablet ar both broken, anyways give me some critique

>>2665174
You call this bait?

>>2665007

Some people do not want to be beginners all of their lives.

>>2665174
What type of weed makes your scleras turn those colors?

>>2665391
looks like she is shaking

>>2665391
I honestly don't know how you're gonna pull that style off, I feel like you're trying to do van gogh but with very little brush work.

>>2665391
When are you going to do these in oils on giant canvases?

is it bad practice to draw only using tripod grip even if I use my shoulder?

overhand just feels wrong

>>2665423
There's no right or wrong way to hold a pencil. Do what feels comfortable.

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thoughts?

>>2665003
post work

>>2665007
>ridiculing drawabox

Not. Gonna. Make. It.

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What does /beg/ think of local art classes? Are they worth trying out?

Pic related, a few that I'm looking at but there's very little info to go on.

been reading and doing exercises from Keys to drawing, how far into it should I start Fun with a pencil?

>>2665499
I'd definitely take the life drawing classes because drawing from life helps a ton!

>>2665438
I think you should read the sticky

>>2665452
Yeah because Drawabox is the only way to learn dynamic sketching and perspective. The author of Drawabox fucking sucks and regularly fucks up the shit he is trying to teach to you. Enjoy being a shitter because your teacher is a shitter.

>>2665499
If you are a total beginner then they might be okay in that they get you drawing and have someone looking over your shoulder giving out the occasional tip and helping break down any mental barriers you may have and giving you a place to start and a basic approach. They are typically not very useful for anyone past the very beginner stages imo though and are usually overpriced for what you get, though the ones you posted are quite cheap.

>>2665506
>>2665501
Thanks for the advice. I'm still not sure which one I should pick but as a novice, I think that they'd be useful based on your input.

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>>2664602
how's this? this is my second time ever trying this out, so any feedback is welcome. (ive been copying for a while now, still suck at imagining while i draw)

>>2665537
rotate
resize
don't draw on lined paper

>>2665542
im on ipad, so all my photos turn out flipped when they are from my camera, but why can't i use lined paper? too much of a handicap?

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>>2663589
ehh i'm proud so far. crit senpai?

>>2665547
it's not that you can't use it anon. it just looks gross, also it's shitty quality in terms of texture (for when that kind of stuff matters). Anyways i'm not sure what kind of feedback you're looking for. Just keep drawing man. Do more exercises in the sticky.

>>2665678
Eyes aren't properly aligned. Similar for the irises: he's cross-eyed: right eye looks at me, left eye looks down.

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Welp, this exercise was more fun than expected.
Didn't really follow Drawabox's method, drawing the four rotated boxes at the top-bottom-left-right just confused me, so I kinda went along building it around the middle.

A couple of boxes are slightly off, but I'm satisfied, I learnt the principles and I feel good about it.

It looks a bit weird, but on paper the sides of the left and right boxes are parallel, I think my camera lens is fucked.

>>2665748
>tfw couldn't even do it correctly
Is this what you call talent? Hey man, you have to stay behind me. It's a line.

>>2664849
Holy shit, I wondered where you went, I haven't seen your cute asian girls in a while.

Need help on this, please? >>2664727

>>2665751
...what?

>tfw not naturally talented

>>2665753
he's been here doing weebshit

just not any more little girl studies...

>>2665772
The only talent that matters is perseverance.

>>2665406
could you give examples of good brushwork? thans, its a challange.
>>2665409
idk, i have to practice drawing with a pancil first
>>2665396
i guess thats a good thing

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I'm about to start my journey. Are these good references? PDF's are Loomis and Bridgman's.

>>2665839
>anime folder

Delete that and you're good to go.

>>2663638
>>2663701
He took Dynamic Sketching twice, threw out the parts of his notes that he felt weren't relevant, slapped a nice website design over the rest, and set up a Patreon.

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>>2663872

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>>2665849

>>2665849
How exactly does one study lines? Is it referring to line control and variation?

>>2665846
you forgot the part where he spent like two years critiquing anyone and everyone's homework for free. shitty or not, he sure as hell didn't take the easy route. why would anyone do that? i'd rather spend my time jacking off or playing video games.

>>2665849
I'm confused by what the image has to do with the info on the right.

I need a sincere advice on discipline overall. I start a drawing thinking about lines and shaped, and when I least expect I'm throwing things randomly and hoping they'll work out.

>>2665856
Lines are of a type (contour, cross-contour, aggregate, construction) of a character (orientation, straightness, length, breadth) of a tone (harshness, clarity).

Go examine drawings up close, notice how every line has a different purpose: some make up the shape, others make up the form, others the shading and colour, others still the character of the object. Note how a line can be used in multiple ways at once, how lines depend on other lines, and how the absense of line is itself a quality of a line. All that drawing is is applying lines and tricking the brain into seeing things that aren't there.

>>2665892
I think you need to work on your English a bit first, anon. Anyways, every master placed everything how they wanted it in an art piece. None of it was unintentional, so don't expect that to work out. Unless you like Lucifer.

>>2665899

Thank you kindly, Anon. I'll work on both, my English and policing heh.
Expanding the discussion further, do you think the masters knew all they wanted to place even before starting their piece?

>>2665899
>Unless you like Lucifer
The comic?

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Hey did this today, what do you think, it's on canvas.

>>2665949
I think you need a better camera to showcase your art to its fullest potential.

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>>2665949
And currently doing this one on my sketchbook.

>>2665956
And then someone erases it the next day.

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>>2665953
Thanks, i'm a poorfag and i'm waiting the time when i can spare enough money to buy a proper camera. I want to do some nice photography some day.

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>>2665849
I like the idea of the waterbaloons.
last one and i'm off

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someone halp plz

>>2665949
>>2665961
>>2665965
To get the most out of a cheap camera, just put it on a solid base to keep it from moving.
Then turn on all the lights you have, and look for the ISO parameter on the camera.
Set it as low as possible, it will remove the "noise" you see in the pictures by lowering its sensitivity to light.
It requires longer exposure, that's why I mentioned placing it on some furniture or otherwise stationary object.
Play with white and color balancement as needed, most phones can also do this.
Many people think I use a reflex or something professional, when I just use a very old base model compact camera from 2006 with more than 20 thousand shots taken.
I love it, Canon Digital Ixus 60.

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>>2665991
this was my ref

>>2665991
Usually you tell your teacher what you need help with. Like, really, what the hell am I supposed to help you with.

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Trying to wean myself onto drawing as much as possible every day without burning myself out

Day 2 of gitting gud.

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Asked for help

Got berated then sent here

How do hair
I can't hair
how dooooo hair

Self teaching and very very little experience.

Will adderal help me improve?

When I study, I always find myself getting distracted, when I work on a project I get distracted and bored and make mistakes. I feel like im not working hard enough, I try my best but I don't feel like I can do enough.

I want to be one of those people who can do maybe 2 or 3 really nice drawings a day, the kind of stuff you'd feel comfortable showing people.
Im tired of being person that draws until they are exhausted, only to find out there was a major mistake due to my losing interest too soon. I'd love to be one of those people who produces decent content more than once a day. I just cant stand it anymore, I work hours on something and at the end i think it looks alright, and someone points out a mistake, and I think "if i was just more focused I could have noticed that" I feel really disappointed with myself and my energy level.

>>2666000
All of your proportions are borked.
I suspect you ought to grind still lifes to get a basic understanding of more fundamentals like form and portion before trying to into figure drawing.

>>2666001
begin small then...

>>2666001
Discipline helps you improve.

>>2666001
I don't think adderall is going to give you what you want. You want to start building up the habit of drawing every day. Like >>2666007
said, start small. Focus on building up habit first and lowering the pressure.

>>2666001
>I just cant stand it anymore, I work hours on something and at the end i think it looks alright, and someone points out a mistake, and I think "if i was just more focused I could have noticed that" I feel really disappointed with myself and my energy level
Pretty sure anyone capable of critical thinking and self-evaluation feels like that.

>>2665992
Not that guy, but thanks for the tips anon.

>>2666001
hey anon, like the previous have said build up a habit of drawing everyday , i have problems focusing too, i thought about adderall as well but some friends of mine who are into doing pills for recreational said it wouldn't be a good idea, plus i dont know about the addictive properties of them.
however i find that an energy drink helps me focus, try to limit it to one a day , those java monsters are good for it. try that it may help. certainly safer than drugs i would think if you keep it to normal one a day before drawing.

How do I get imagination

>>2666126
The easiest way is to read. It forces you to visualize things. Read all the time. Pick up what you like the most and just fucking read.

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I just uninstalled every game in my library. Let's do this.

>>2666156
What are you starting off with my man? I'll be here to help you if you need assistance.

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whats this kind of practice called? 3mins and multiple tools doesn't feel like gesture drawing
how am I doing though, can I move on soon

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>>2666157
T-thanks senpai. I'm not entirely new to drawing but I'd like to rebuild my foundation, specifically anatomy and proportion.

All I've done before is self taught construction. Right now I have zero skill in drawing from life and implementing values.

This is what I think is the peak of my ability right now and this took me longer than I'd like to admit. Where do you think should I go? Rebuild my construction or start drawing from life?

>>2666163
one day i will draw hands at that level

then i will transcend

>>2666163
You don't learn very much from that type of photo copying. You dont want to end up like this guy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rXgFEskf2o

It is best to draw from life and focus on mileage and not on if you can produce anything of value right now. In my opinion one of the best things to draw is flowers outside.

>>2666163
It's a bit hard to say without seeing much more of your work, but if what you say is true. Drawing from life would definitely help you since it'll bring your overall skill level up instead of being focused on one side. There's a lot to be gathered from drawing from life and with the level of construction that you have right now, it will broaden the range of what you'll be capable of drawing.

>>2666172
Right hand looks all kinds of fucked up.

Tell me lads, is drawabox reliable? What does the pros of /ic/ think of it?

>>2666200
Did part 1 for a week. Can draw straight lines reliably freehand with no ruler across a whole page. It's like magic, it's crazy.

>>2666200
He is the epitom of /ic/, regurgitating knowledge from the masters, teaching while he himself cannot actually draw. All his examples will be off which can be confusing, but the learning process he puts out does work. As a student it is always best to learn from multiple sources in general. He isn't harmful but you aren't missing anything if you skip him.

>>2666200
no one course is gonna make you an expert. drawabox needs supplements, extra reading, studies, life drawing etc from you as a student for it to be effective.
that being said, it's definitely one of the absolute best online courses out there.

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begginer, old one tho, dont chop my fingers for all of my mistakes

>>2666000
>ctrl_y_v001
>wonder what that is
>google search
>reddit user?
>apparently submits stuff to /r/gonewild
>check it out
>oh god my fucking DIIIIIICCCCCKKKKKKKK

>>2666231
reminds me of the "before" portion of fzd's before and after video. ideas are there but fundamentals and execution are not

>>2665849
What separates form from shape?

>>2666241
shapes are 2D, form is 3D

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can someone give me good critique? I think the thumbnail looks ok and the values are decent, but I feel like I'm falling extremely short on something. Could it be because I'm using a standard hardbrush and softbrush and should I invest in looking for some good brushes? Or is it something completely unrelated to tools?
Please give me some good critique anons.

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>>2666281
ref

>>2666281
you'd have to take the time to add details and textures. you could accomplish this with the standard hard round, or you could use someone else's brushes. try making one section look good with the hard round to see if its working for you

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Thoughts?

>>2666294
Good line control?

>>2665772
then be proud. It's true the journey will be harder and longer, but You'll have every bragging rghts when you make it friend. However, it's up to you wether youre gonna make it or not.

What is the first step to learning construction? Im ok(ish) when it comes to copying refs but even when I try to -construct- the thing in the refI fail badly and just end up copying what I see as a flat thing.

>>2666335
Resisting the urge is a key factor. Don't give in to the easiest path to completing the picture - the result is not important, the process is.

If you're having trouble visualizing where the chest/pelvis etc. are in a pose, try getting a shit-ton of poses and drawing ONLY that part. Forget about copying and work on detecting where the 3D shape for construction is.

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>>2666335
draw the same object from different angles

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>>2665849
Who the hell does this

>>2666353
Nicki Minaj?

>>2665505

Then post a better source, man. If the teachers people are flocking to are incorrect then correct that properly. Don't just trash the thing and then move on without explanation.

>>2666353

That's obviously someone following the crest of the pelvis and thinking it's horizontal. You know how people simplify the hips like a bowl? Someone is doing that but straight on.

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left was from reference and right was just imagination. am i good or do i need to go back to tumblr

>>2666380
/ic/ has a sticky full of resources. Someone who is too lazy to do their own research doesn't have the discipline to become a successful artist any how.

>>2664165
chin might be a lil big there

>>2666402
drawabox is in the sticky you fucking idiot

>hey guys, been doing drawabox cause it's in the sticky
>drawabox is horrible use real resources!!!!
>okay from where?
>the sticky!

>>2665994
hair, also are my proportions right?

>>2666430
>Dynamic Sketching with Peter Han
>Perspective Made Easy by Ernest R. Norling
>How to Draw by Scott Robertson

Congratulations, you now know all the shit Drawabox was supposed to teach to you except you were taught by competent artists.

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Trying to get better at gesture drawing by doing the Croquis Cafe videos, can someone please let me know if I'm doing anything glaringly wrong? 1 minute for the top row, 2 for the middle and 5 minutes for the final one...

Reference used is youtu.be/n2v7qfNX24c

>>2666294
see you in two years.

>>2666389
now make a finished drawing

>long ago
>young and in school
>draw stuff in art class
>someone compliments my drawing of a plane
>say it sucks
will i make it?

>>2666588
that's my issue. i drew all through high school but it was literally always just pencil and paper. i never worked with color because a) convenience and b) lack of understanding. now i'm trying to transition to a digital painting style because of inspiration from artists like wlop and alekina, but i have literally no idea where to start with coloring my sketches. help

>>2666620
Use sai, it's intuitive and very easy to acquire.
Make liberal use of the marker tool.
Practice

>>2666620
Learn how to do values as it's just using greyscale. Easier than colorpicking which takes a bit of intuition to learn.

>>2666500
At least your understanding of proportions is better than the typical gesture /beg/gar.

How often are you looking at the subject vs looking at your drawing?

>>2666335
are you comfortable with 3d shapes in different angles?

>>2666659
I, in fact, used sai and the marker tool to sketch the image I originally posted, lol. I just really have no idea where to begin with this coloring stuff. I guess I did mess around with sai a bit in high school, but I was going through an anime phase and basically just did that cringey stereotypical lineart with solid color and basic shading on the inside. I really want to achieve that digital painting look, but my biggest holdup is how to color.

>>2666673
Stop

>>2666673
This is awesome. Your work has a very unique feel to it and a lot of charm and personality. Keep it up anon!

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Progress; i think the soft brushes flattened the face too much

>>2666679
>>2666680
i think we have a problem here, can you two show your works? i really don't know who to listen to

>>2664741
The expression is different because you moved the eyebrows farther from the eyes, and the smile lines are hard to read, same thing with the wrinkles around the eyes. Other than that the hand is moved much more to the right, pay attention to other landmarks you can measure stuff like the hand up against in order to place it properly. Overall you still did a very good job capturing his likeness, keep up the good work anon!

>>2666685
>>2666683
I'm this anon (didn't reply earlier). personally, I like your style a lot, but your proportions look like total shit. Her eyes are too far apart, it looks like someone stretched her face out sideways, and her ears are too short. Idk if this is intentional but it certainly would look better if you could sight proportions correctly.

>>2666689
i agree with you! i knew ther were wrong things just couldn't see what, thanks

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>>2666690
np. I'm still studying proportion myself, but just stretching things around a bit on your face makes it look infinitely better.

>>2666694
it really does! thanks man!

>>2666683
To me this picture looks totally fine! I'm now so fucking concerned about myself. Could someone please elaborate more what's wrong with the proportions?

>>2666699
>>2666699
>>2666699

NEW THREAD (quaddubs edition)

>>2666699
>>2666699
>>2666699

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>>2666663
hopefully my greyscale isn't absolutely terrible. also too lazy to do the hair. feedback?

>>2666294
super pritty!
kut neger