/beg/ - BEGINNER THREAD

fuck me i am having the hardest time learning how to draw, I seriously think I might have some kind of learning disability. I cannot make any progress. I've stopping drinking coffee, alcohol, stopped eating sugar, and stopped taking opiates to see if there is something that is preventing me from being able to learn.

>>2626148
The only thing you need to do is stop being a faggot. Stop taking whatever is causing that one.

these threads have got so terrible since I left.

remember when the exercises were for beginners?

op is a fucking idiot.

>>2626148
just b urself

>>2626157
this. Post some still lives or something ffs.

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Drawing on a flat table FUCKS my back.

I'm considering getting one of these. Anyone recommending?

>>2626170
I'd like to know too. I also hard drawing slanted helps you a bit with perspective.

>>2626170
You'll fuck your shoulder and elbow, then.

>>2626179
wat

>>2626202
Better than back pain, that's for sure

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what am i failing at?
Redlines would be much appretiated. And Thanks in advance

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>>2626170
>>2626179
Is good enough for Barbara Bradley, is good enough for me.

>>2626259
I like them. Do you learn anatomy just by constantly drawing photos of naked people?

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>>2626130

>>2626280
by looking how the musculature starts and ends basically, they still look strange

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how do i learn anatomy

>>2626259
On the right track. If anything, be more conscious about your proportions of body parts relative to eachother.

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>>2626199

>>2626306
You should focus more on looking at proportions and wear each part of the head lays in retrospect to other parts of the head.
For example:
The top of his ear should be on the brow line
The mouth should be ending wear the iris of the eye starts.
The forehead should be proportional to how long his nose is in your piece. You draw his nose pretty well.

Good work. Keep working at it

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im digging this loomis book

>>2626306
Your proportions are decent. There are a few things that the other anon mentioned.

However i think you will find that paying closer attention to value will improve your drawing; try to find what is dark.

for example instead of drawing his upper lip, since it is in shadow you should just fill it in or do some cross hatching. Look at the shapes of light and dark instead of the shapes of his features.

also places like under the eyebrow and the right side of his face under his hair ect...

drawings look more natural this way.

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How long should arms be?

>>2626306
You symbol draw and doing this on autopilot, for example you can't even barely see the dude upper lip and yet on your drawing its perfectly outlined, that's not because of lack of skill it's because of lack of attention

>>2626349
Legs shorter, torso longer

>>2626353
Thank you

In what order should I read Loomis books?

>>2626365
yes

>>2626365
Keys to Drawing
Fun with a Pencil
Figure Drawing
Head/Hands

>inb4 hurr durr keys is not loomis

read that shit first I swear to god

>>2626365
Chronological. Skip FWAP if you want.

Move onto Hampton whenever.

Is is better to start on 'drawing on the right side of the brain', or 'keys to drawing'?

>>2626162
>posting images of still lifes

>>2626412
keys to drawing. drawing on the right side of the brain has good exercises but the actual writing is stupid, unfounded babbling

>>2626418
Yeah I've read that the talk is a lot of bullshit
But the sticky recommends right side of the brain.
Also, is it worth trying to study two books at once or is that too difficult because of different styles etc.

>>2626420
you only need one, and keys is the better choice. they both cover the same subjects, pretty much.

threadly reminder: stop wasting your time deciding if keys to drawing or right side is better

take the fucking initiative and try both

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Quite bad here. May I ask anything to read in regards to digital painting? CTRL Paint?

>>2626282
Looks good, I think you widened his face a little but I like your style

>>2626430
Yeah definitely ctrl paint but you might want to improve your anatomy too, the breasts look unnatural for some reason. Either too high up or defying gravity

>>2626458

I am finding studying anatomy odd on a digital platform, so I do the majority of it in my sketchpad.

Bad idea? Should I start practicing on digital?

>>2626306
Other anons gave you some good advice. Another obvious thing is you made your hairline symmetric, whereas the hair is supposed to be falling over the left side of his face and covering part of his forehead

>>2626460
It's generally better to learn on paper imo, even if you're going to mainly use digital. Teaches you to respect every line (no crt+z), feels a bit more natural than tablet, etc etc

>>2626472

I am personally finding the actual texture and friction of the lead means my pencil work is much better than my digital.
I'll do both, but with emphasis on the actually studying.

Thanks Anon.

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>>2626295
Hard work and a lot of tears.
You can do it Anon.

>>2626306

Jazza?

Any tips when it comes to drawing symmetrical curves/angled lines? For whatever reason I can NOT do that when it comes to a front view of a face for jaws/the head itself. Very frustrating

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>>2626312
>>2626344
>>2626352
>>2626461
Thank you for the feedback, how is this?

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Tried this again. Could someone please tell me how to improve?

There's an awful lot of bullshit in "drawing on the right side of the brain." I don't want to know about how language is affected by the left hemisphere of the brain. What parts can I skip without losing info on the actual drawing studies?

>>2626562
symbol drawing

there are no lines in faces

>>2626127
Hey anyone want to do a short request for me

Will pay $2 Australian dollars paypal l m a o.

>>2626629
please clarify

>>2626635
It's an /ic/ meme, he's a degenerate. Your work is decent Anon.

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Please kill me.

>>2626648
draw circles more

>>2626645
He's right. There are too many aspects of his study that are simplified. But, compared to his previous stuff he's made a huge improvement

>>2626349
elbows are even with naval, hands go a little past dick for fapping

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>>2626199

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>>2626759
Love your linework.

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>>2626430
me too senpai. but i'm on a data cap and cant watch videos so gg i'm doomed

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Advice much appreciated.

>>2626759
lookin solid

>>2626759
There are some issues (thumb, pecs, hip, inside nob of the foot joint seems too low), some of which might just be exaggerations of oddities in the model, but I'd suggest to get your ass out of the beginner thread so as not to stagnate / lose momentum.

>>2626785
Use 3d forms, not 2d shapes.
Apply proper structure to everything, not selectively.
When you place a landmark, place it correctly, and stick to it, otherwise why even bother.
Anatomy.

>>2626627
Anyone?

>>2626785
either go further with that shading, and maybe convert your refs to b&w and copy them, or stick to lines, but what you're doing doesn't help reading the shape

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crit pls

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>>2626830
Not bad, but pic related would be her skeleton. You wouldn't bother with polishing a car that has no engine, so don't bother with drawing flesh over a deformed skeleton.

>>2626850
Decent, but I see no signs of construction whatsoever, it looks very flat and 2D.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlKRNmGKCC4
Had you used construction, you'd have known that there's an angle between her pelvis and ribcage, which squashes her skin on one side and stretches it on the other. Learn to draw 3D forms and apply them to your drawing.

>>2626859
thanks man!

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Tell me what you think

>>2626759
noice

>>2626893
I used to do this. I couldn't draw people well so I thought that if I drew humanoid monsters I could hide it. Unfortunately, it still shows.
Work on human proportions and faces first.
Also try to keep your line weight consistent

>>2626562
You've studied the image better but you should consider values to create depth.

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Drew the sports guy, tell me what I need to work on most?

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>>2626282

>>2627067
Without looking at the ref, it looks like you squeezed his facial features vertically. his nose looks too close to his eyes, and his mouth is too close to the nose. Where are the eyebrows? The ears should also be at the eyebrow line, they're too far up in your drawing.

I like how you rendered the hair though, your lines are pretty expressive.

>>2627108

Yeah I can definitely see the vertical squish you're talking about. Would better construction help with that you think?

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2 hour pose, it's about the limit of my skill, where should i focus my studies?

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Just finished this, any advice on how can I improve is appreciated. Haven't done a portrait in a while

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>>2627153
I really like your shadows. I'm not qualified to crit you, but to me it looks like something weird is going on with her left shoulder blade and the wrinkles on her neck

Excuse the shitty lighting on this pic, how do I rends muscle without hatching

>>2627118
Yup definitely, keep at it man. Just pay more attention to proportions in general, too

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>>2627259
Forgot to resize, sorry

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>>2626132

>>2626562
eyes are way to big man does he look like a fucking anime to you

Are Bridgman, Hogarth and Loomis just memes, o are they actually worth reading?
Has anyone on /ic actually read them or are they just completely full of shit and trying to mislead noobs?

>>2626645
except that meme happens to be true.
There isn't a line around your forehead where your hair starts. There isn't a line on the bridge of your nose. There isn't a line along the bottom of your bottom lip.
Faces aren't broken up by lines, they are broken up by shadows cast by interconnected parts that form a whole.

>>2626730
the gesture/posture is too straight. in the picture she's at an angle, where you've drawn her flat and...leaning forward somewhat? her torso and limbs/head are also disconnected in your attempt, and you might want to take a second look at her arms and face.

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Tried one of these again with said things in mind, but I don't think it turned out any better.

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Back to basics. I'm getting a scanner tomorrow, I studied this and figure on paper.

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>>2627369
I like it overall. I liked the construction lines as well. Looks even better than the reference.

>>2627184
Pretty nice. May I ask the size of your monitor? Is it 22 inches?

>>2627184
The nose looks off, check a reference or yourself in a mirror to spot the correct shapes of color

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>>2627004

>>2627425
I'm not sure but probably 22/23 inches

>>2627433
Yeah, I was struggling with the nose so I'm going to study them some more

>>2627369
Stop discouraging yourself it looks fine

>>2627329
bridgman is excellent if you can read into his scribbles. hogarth is hit or miss for me personally, and loomis has great concepts that are difficult for a beginner to understand, but ultimately something that every artist should learn.

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fuck me up yo

>>2626170
nigga I draw on my lap stop complaining

>>2627488
Ok. Congratulations?

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Still constructing heads. Both of these look kind of stylized and I don't know why. I honestly don't know how to feel about them. Are they good? Are they bad?

I'm gonna draw some different angles soon. Still getting the hang of it. I also need to stop avoiding hair.

>>2626148
>topping drinking coffee
wat

>>2626170
You have to hold your pencil different tho

>>2626751
nice

>>2627485
I'm not here to critique, I'm a beginner myself but
>Ashley
>BBC
Gonna have to ask if you got more or a blog buddy.

>>2627558
http://jumbogumbo.tumblr.com

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>>2626128

scribbling is a science

>>2627568
Niiice. Thanks man.

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>>2627485
basically >>2627318 >>2627466
You have confidence in the line-art, your rendering and coloring is kind of flat but pretty decent. Face is your biggest flaw, with a anatomy that could be a lot better as second.
I recommend to read these:
To make a consistent and more human like (even if your goal isn't to make the most life alike figure from imagination and make exaggerated figures to better sexy appeal, you still have to learn the basics and fundamentals to toy around with them) anatomy.

To learn to make them dynamic (since sex and poses are all about the act and action)
> alexhays.com/loomis/Loomis Figure Draw.pdf

>>2627625
dude thats cool

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>>2627485
>>2627649 (You)
>*To make a consistent and more human like (even if your goal isn't to make the most life alike figure from imagination and make exaggerated figures to better sexy appeal, you still have to learn the basics and fundamentals to toy around with them) anatomy.
>>http://www.alexhays.com/loomis/Loomis%20Figure%20Draw.pdf

>To learn to make them dynamic (since sex and poses are all about the act and action)
>>vkDOTcomSLASHdoc176415392_261935659

Sorry I dungoofed.

>>2627655
christ my man

>>2627539
I like your shading and detailed texturing on the hair, but you definitely need to look up a diagram on basic facial proportions and try and work off of those. The guy on the left seems to have a rectangular rather than rounded face, everything about him is too angular. His forehead is too high up and his jaw juts out pretty unnaturally.
The guy on the right's eyes should be a little lower down on his face, and I think the bridge of his nose should start farther down.

Hope this helped.

>>2627662
whats wrong?
You are supposed to replacet DOT and SLASH in the vk link.

>>2627674
just exclaiming at the dun goofing

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>>2627641
Np, np.

>>2627649
Ive always struggled with color and trying to make it look decent enough to wank to.
My faces are pretty shit, i used to be decent at them but i havent looked at my notes in a long time.
>>2627655
I totally get what you mean by learning the body and then breaking it down. It never hurts to revist the drawing board.

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A small frame does wonders for me trying to make an actual scene.

If I have a large canvas, it feels like a never ending quest to draw, but if I have a small one (500x1000) then it feels like I need to fill it up, and since there isn't enough room, I have to pick and choose what is shown.

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>>2626199
This is like my second time trying a "study" thing like this. Am I even remotely in the ballpark of being able to get some criticism or recommendation on what to do in general?

I can see I made it too wide, or at least the eyes too far apart, and maybe a bit low? couldn't really figure out how to define the shape of the nose, so that falls really flat. Jawline is a bit too square. That's just the things I can see I did wrong.

>>2627757
What method of construction are you using?

>>2627774
uh, I just draw a circle, throw on a jaw, straight line down the middle, estimate for the eye line, separate the space below in half for the nose, and then separate the space below the nose in half again for the lips. Everything else is just going by eye. Whatever method that is. If that has a name I don't know it. probably just called the shitty method lol.

>>2627787

not him but it sounds like it beats the proko method. Any time I try adding the side planes/jawlines, everything comes out cockeyed/completely asymmetrical

>>2627790
Looks like how I do it is just a simplified version of the Proko method. More eyeballed rather than actually measured, as well. meaning I should probably fully take up the Proko method.

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No improvement has been made.

>>2627802
zozzle'd, love it

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I'm going through Figure Drawing for what it's worth and I'm trying to do the whole draw the manikin from any viewpoint thing but it's not really clear.
Am I going in the right direction? Any tips?

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Can I please get some feedback on this? I'm kind of happy with it, aside from the face and perspective issues, but I need some more (trained) eyes on it.

>>2627838
Hands are a bit small.
Boobs look kinda glued on, along with the top of her hair.

With the style you're going for, maybe a less detailed face would be better. And make her head a bit bigger, too.

But I'm no professional. This is all just my gut feelings, I guess.

>>2627820
That's pretty good. I don't think you belong i this thread, anon.

>>2627845
Can you tell me where I should ask then?

How many hours do you practice per day, /beg/?

>>2627881
25

>>2627850
wait for nosebro to make an "intermediate" thread :^)

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>>2626128

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>you fell for the 'learn to copy first' meme

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first gouache from imagination. it sucks. what can i improve

>>2628089
How is that a meme? It's a useful skillset that you can build upon. If you can copy well you know how to measure and probably have decent linework. If you copy nature it will also get you into thinking 3-dimensionally. If you copy photos, it will give you a sensibility for values and composition. If you copy stylized work it will come in handy later when you have build a good foundation, you'll understand why those artists drew a specific thing the way they did.

Copying gives you actually a much more useful skillset to begin with than drawing from imagination.

So, I ask you, how is it a meme?

>>2628095
I really like the colors, but that's not how water works. It looks like its lying on the water instead of swimming in it or being underwater. For the latter you'd have to shit its colors to a cooler tone.

Is gouache fun to paint with?

>>2628124
thats. yeah that color block on the bottom was a fuck up. it actually looked better before but i was experimenting and sort of put to much of the color down. it looked more natural before i goofed. ill play around and tone the colors like you said. thanks for the tips

yes. i started with pencil/paper and went digital and didnt even touch traditional for 1.5 years and i missed the feel of actually having something tangible. also i noticed i can sit down and focus a lot better and plow through more since i have to take the time to set up/take down and im away from the pc so no distractions. i got all my supplies for less than $60 i think of amazon, holbien 12 color set, some 12 brush set and a 12 page watercolor sketchbook.

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Is there an easier way to understand mouths?

>>2628142
>Is there an easier way to understand mouths?
Yes by studying the skull

>>2628142
by understanding how it moves. try finding a shaft thats about 5-10 inches long and 5-6 inches in circumference. insert in your mouth repeated using a bobbing motion. try using different amounts of suction and use the tongue a lot as its also an important muscle of the mouth. avoid using your teeth and youre also allowed a two second break to stroke the shaft with your hand to spread lube and give your mouth a break from the study session

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>>2626127
Is there a way to improve my line quality?

>>2628235
To something like this?

>>2628085
how you get so good

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>>2628241
Crap I forgot the picture.

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>>2628235
Lines like that come from learning more about the form and shape of what you want to draw.
The crosshatching comes from learning how light works.

Pic isnt mine btw

>>2628246
Read up on some artists, Loomis for example, to learn rendering and shading

>>2628265
>>2628267
I see I see.

I had a couple more questions:

1). I have Figure Drawing For All It's Worth. Should I just start with that book of his? Or should I try another?(I've asked this question before but never got a good answer.

2). How would you rate my lines? Are they too scratchy?

>>2628235
Do a rendering book on whatever tools you are using to draw. Pick your poison:
> vkDOTcomSLASHdoc298879699_399565960 [pencil]
> ia802708.us.archive.org/25/items/sketchingrenderi00guptuoft/sketchingrenderi00guptuoft.pdf [pen]

If you use other tools, just search them here: vkDOTcomSLASHtopic-4918594_27696136
> >>2599857 [digital]

It will give confidence to your strokes since you know what the fuck are you doing + grinding for muscle memory

>>2628235
a big part of it is that you're doing the scritchy-scratch going over a line multiple times in order to sort of fool your eye into accepting a multitude of separate lines as a single 'line'

what you should try to do instead is to make your lines in a single motion from your arm rather than drawing with your fingers (or at least, that's what I'm guessing you're doing). you can get the sort of confidence and reliability you need by going back to basics and doing varied ellipses and other shapes over and over again. it's less fun but no less necessary

>>2628279
Thanks! I will remember these.

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>>2628289
I see. That's gonna be a hard habit to break :/
I've gotten so used to doing it haha.

But I get what you're saying.

>make your lines in a single motion from your arm rather than drawing with your fingers

Could you provide a picture?

When I draw it's like pic related.

>>2628276
Start with bert dodson keys to drawing or drawing with the right side of the brain (Google them or search in the /ic/ artbook archives), then do fun with a pencil to give you an idea of how drawing non referenced works, then do figure drawing books

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>>2626130
Ay, I like that we all drawing thom now.

Critique would be appreciated on today's sketches, destructive or constructive!

>>2628085
Fukkin' nice, I'm inspired man.

>>2628276
I mean I'm not really qualified to give advice but in addition to what the other anon said, don't feel obligated to stick with Loomis for figure drawing - he can be a little overwhelming ya nah? It's personal preference, but I found Hampton's construction/figure drawing methods jived a lot more with me. Try them all! (says he who hasn't even made it through one... hahaha)

>>2628324
I see. I might try Dodson because I found right side of the brain pretty boring.

And then the later ones. I get what you mean. Thanks!

>>2628345
Yeah man I just wanna get better but I have no idea what to do! Lol

Just feel lost

I'll give loomis another shot though

>>2626259
yus

>>2628085
>>2628345
Are y'all really supposed to be in /beg/?

Why is it so hard to get a likeness with the loomis method of head construction? My portraits usually don't look that bad if I do them without it, but with loomis they look nothing like the person I'm drawing.

What do?

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>>2627757
tried to finish this. Thinned up the nose and closened the eyes a bit. tried to push the darker colors a little darker. I think maybe that was the right choice? I still couldn't figure out how to properly define the nose.

>>2628389
post examples

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>>2628359
Oh yeah, me too... but we'll make it one day, eh? Wouldn't worry too much about specific books or whatnot. Sure, some are probably better than others, but I figure the worst thing you can do is to not draw at all!

>>2628374
Gee anon, I'm flattered! I only recently started getting my arse into gear and practicing properly though, so I feel like a beginner. 'Sides, /beg/ is comfy. Agreed about the first guy though, dem brushstrokes.

>>2628400
Please take all this with a few grains of salt, but I reckon you picked a much too difficult image - beards are a fucking nightmare! Especially since they partially obfuscate the structure of the face. You're focusing too much on minor details (like those erroneous strands of hair and wrinkles) without considering the overall proportion and the planes of the face. Try rendering some simpler objects like cubes, fruits, whatever - it'll help you get a grasp on defining planes based on how they reflect light. Also practice using construction methods to get your facial proportions more accurate (loomis, proko, whatever, pick your poison.)

I don't mean to say it's awful or anything, pretty decent for your second study desu, just overambitious. Keep trucking and try drawing it again in a few weeks - I bet you will be amazed at the improvement!

>>2628400
polished turd

>>2628429
>Oh yeah, me too... but we'll make it one day, eh? Wouldn't worry too much about specific books or whatnot.

I hope so. My confidence has been wavering as of recently. But yeah. Just gotta keep drawing. Nice chatting!

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>>2626199
Gave it a whirl, any crit would be appreciated

>>2628429
I like you, anon. Keep at it.

>>2628439
good crit

>>2628429
Actually good crit. Thank you a ton anon. I can see what you mean about the minor details the proportion and planes and whatnot. In that way, I guess it really is a polished turd. But I'll definitely keep trying with some easier stuff like you said. thank you a fuckton.

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tfw you're getting worse

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I tried doing this from just memory. How shit is it?

>>2628495
It may just be because I'm a pervert, but I like it.

>>2628491
Those heads are scribbly but they seem to have more character than mine. Keep going, maybe draw something that isn't heads.

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Tried drawing Loomis's ideal proportions, can somebody tell me where I fucked up/help me redline it? I know that the arms aren't proportional and his chest is huge.

>>2628495
please study the ass

>>2628528
When you understand proportion and how the body should look, the "ideal height" shit just falls into place naturally.

>>2628537
So understanding proportions/getting them right is just going to take more studying and time? I was hoping that by redlining it I could understand what I did wrong; it won't help?

>>2628536
It's too spreaded, yes? I saw that, but it felt like something else was wrong with it too. Is it just me?

>>2628528
Try reading Bert Dodson's Keys to Drawing before copying. Your problem lies in that you cannot accurately copy what you see. Not to mention your lines are hairy and your drawing is cut off by the page.

>https://mega.nz/#F!RIx3TJxJ!_Nna8t01kPxENJ8KSzXqwg
^link to download pdf^

>>2628550
Thank you! I'll download it.

>>2628495
idk what ic's opinion on doxy is but i think these could help you out
http://prismblush.com/doxys-notes-butt-plane/
http://prismblush.com/doxys-notes-hips-mons-pubis/

>>2628541
get in the position yourself and analyze it

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>>2626127
Fuck man this is too hard

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>>2628495

>>2628557
>>2628581
Well, I decided to use DesignDoll to recreate the pose, and for one, the legs don't really work that way it seems. I'll redo them. But I fixed what I knew I should have and I think it's better now?
>>2628584
Maybe this could help you? I was looking at this since yesterday for lineweight studies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0zl5NnEAyU

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>>2628584
Another one without perspective lines

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Something looks wrong with this head I drew from the Loomis method but I cant figure it out

>>2628617
Your line control doesn't seem that confident. Try drawing more from life.

>>2628630
jaw line maybe?

>>2628491
I liked your linework tho, keep it up

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I'm having fun with pencils

>>2628675
not even using a pencil/10

>>2628630

Chin looks a bit skewed, maybe that's it?

>>2628675
>that ear

come on senpai

>>2628630
as far as my beginner knowledge goes, I think the plane of the chin may be uneven, and the neck needs to be slimmed up from the back.

>>2627838
u cereal?

Is it okay to rest my arm on the table when drawing from the shoulder, or should it be hovering indefinitely? Kinda hard to do good lines floating but I don't want to rely on a crutch.

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Should I draw the 3d form under everything or should I keep working from here?

>>2628793
Mm looks good to me

>>2628788
your shoulder needs to be above your ears when you draw

>>2628630
the chin is skewed and the nose is rotated wrong

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Trying to do more stuff without refs to see how much do I know about the body.
Also to play around more with this brush style.
Should I try doing the pics OP posted too or should I do more "free hand" stuff?

>>2628155
How do lips sit around the teeth?

>>2628860
Definitely more studies, even for a stylized head it's not sitting right on the neck.
Keep at it man, we're all in the same boat

>>2628793
any chance you've got a link to this reference image? it's gorgeous

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Please crit this >>2628894
Pls

>>2628976
Now you seem to be a begginer. you don't really want one on that piece. Just read the sticky and come back when you have completed a book or two.

>>2626170
Do NOT go for a cheap alternative like what you get at Hobby Lobby or Micheals. I paid about 30 for my piece of shit easel and the fuckin thing came to me warped as all fuck

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Why is painting so hard, senpai?

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I hate this shit so fucking much.

>>2628987
I already have lots of experience in traditional media.
What are some books SPECIFIC to digital painting?

>>2629069
not a book but ctrl paint vids are fairly comprehensive on the subject of digital painting

>>2629044
the ass should definitely not be visible at this angle
the vagina isnt just curved skin with a slit going through it
and breasts dont look like that, they arent just solid balls stuck into the chest. They're made of fat, they sag, theyre closer to a distended teardrop shape than what you have
there are other problems i can see with your anatomy as well, keep studying anon

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i feel like the constructions off. anyways, does she look latina? is she a cute latina? i know i have a some stuff i could do better but im stuck on the nose any tips for that?

inb4
>latinas
>cute

>>2629134
Looks like she straight outta Runescape

>>2629139
thats good right

>>2629140
lol

>>2629143
i mean i know it sucks as is but some got paid to do the art for runescape. so,that has to be a good thing

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>>2627838
I drew something again, I think this one is even worse desu. Thoughts?

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Some quick pen sketches.

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what about this one then. also not finished

>>2628630
Learn perspective, then you'll see it yourself.

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So... I've never been able to draw besides stickmen and shitty stuff, yesterday I just grabbed a pencil, googled "how to draw a face", and said "fuck it" when I saw all the steps and things to follow, schemes, techniques, etc.
I'm 23 y.o. with absolutely no art background and I've never liked it since it has always been difficult to translate mind images to paper images. I'm techy and pragmatic.

So I just laid graphite on a piece paper.

Feels weird and kinda scary sharing my very first "serious" graphite glob.

Considerations and maybe tips?

>>2626430
the boob is royally fucked up, both defying gravity and the wrong shape for that size. on the face, your biggest problem is the nose is in the wrong perspective and doesn't allign.

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shits fun as fuck. i dont even care that im garbage. i made faces. Its exciting.

>>2629200

Congrats, keep up the progress.

But learn to resize next.

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>>2626562
Try squinting and look at a whole image instead of details. Whites - are highlights, greys - halftones, blacks - shadows. Strictly divide picture in these and try drawing again without using the lines at all (or make them almost transparent). Dont be afraid to put much more tone.

I just want to draw lewd anime and I've been banging my head against the wall with loomis and drawabox for about a month now

Are these fundamentals as you call them really the best path for me?

>>2629214
They're not the best path. They're the ONLY path. Unless you don't care about getting good and you're content with being a terrible artist.

Which is better?
Drawing/studying on paper and copying photos from my computer
or
Doing that digitally instead to have a side-by-side comparison

Which will help me learn more?

>>2629233
There is no better. Digital instruments are great. They make drawing much easier. But I advice to stick with paper for now. Learning without undo, layers etc will give you confinence with your linework as you will rely on thinking and knowing what you doing instead of redoing random lines until it looks good.

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How are these? No ref

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>>2626199

>>2629054
at this point writing "never going to make it" not only actually affects your mindset but it's pretty cringey lmao

just stop before you look like a self-pitying retard to anybody else

>>2629187
but have you read the sticky

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Something seems to be off, but I don't know what.

pls help

>>2629299

long ass neck

seeing a lot of cartoony drawings make me think the artist avoided construction and eyeballed it all with general knowledge of proportion. seems to be the case the further you go from reality.

>>2629337
That's the idea of most cartoons - make it simple enough to not have to waste time constructing but appealing and realistic enough.

Also artists like that have been doing art for years.

>>2627298
you straightened her pose. The ref is not dead on but from below. Build the perspective box of the head before detailing to avoid this mistake

>>2629337
I don't know in general but with disney toons contruction is pretty freaking essential

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Is this correct before I start anything

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>>2626128
>>2626134

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do you have to do construction for portraits from pictures or can you just start rendering

>>2629403

Yes, if you don't want it to be a godawful mess.

>>2628491

You don't really get worse, you just become aware through experience drawing, of how bad you actually are. It's a sign of progress.

Also, sometimes you just have bad days where nothing works and everything is terrible.

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Any advice?

>>2629372
Perspective is wrong on the mouth
The nose looks tilted
I might be wrong but the neck seems too long as well

>>2629145
the nose bugs me the most

>>2629446
read sticky

>>2629480
pls

>>2629461
welp, right in the middle of shading already.

w/e, I'll try to finish it now

>>2629446
This picture is so bad I can barely make shit out of it. Either draw bigger to include more details or get a better fucking phone.

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A little figure

>>2629297
I am reading it.

>>2629543
Surely someone of that physique would have visible lats. He looks like a cardboard cutout.

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Heads

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>>2628860
Meant to post this earlier, but was busy with errands. I saw how off I did this after I woke up, so I did some "improvements" what looked bad to me.
>>2628941
Is there any studies I could learn from? I guess I could do something from the OP then.

>>2629564
Literally any fucking image of the human body you could do a study of. It'll help you out so much more than going about this cartoon shit (for example, learning how the SCM muscle connects to the ear and the length down the neck). It is necessary to do 'fun' works to keep yourself sane but you can't have it be your only thing. A 50:50 balance is always good.

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>>2625789
Sorry I didn't reply cause I didn't have anything recent together with the ref, but I made one today

http://65.media.tumblr.com/38dcd20b24f6dc46ab867b672fd86354/tumblr_na0arrOI451qe9a70o1_1280.jpg

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>>2629558
I'll keep that in mind, but I'm not a fan of big lats. I rarely ever buff my figures this much either. Found one recent where I did, but I exaggerated more here I think. Or maybe this is closer to what buff dudes look like, torso-waist ratio wise. Both are probably within reason imo.

>>2629075
I already watched most of the videos and I'm trying to apply what I learned there.

I want something that is medium specific like I had in traditional media, I have books that are specific about techniques in watercolor or pencils that don't waste time talking about fundamentals.
Digital painting is hard due the lack of metarials like that. everything is too basic or not comprehensive enough.

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haven't done shit since like a year apart from one weekly class

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>>2629372
shading "done". I have been working on it way too long, but I guess this is the first attempt that I am not completely disgusted with

>>2629621
There's not much of a range there in your shading, it looks pretty flat since you're just using two main values. Also if you're drawing from ref you might want to block out the rest of the forms first instead of just shading the face.

>>2629631
it's not from ref. I don't really know what to do

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I'm about ready to give up on this :/

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Don't mind the stray brush spot near the arm ^

>>2629640
Ah, you still definitely want to start with blocking out main shapes then. The idea is to go from bigger shapes to smaller shapes and then render and get more detailed from there, kinda like building a house I guess. You want to put down your foundational support first and pick bathroom tiles at the very end.

Hope this makes sense.

Can someone recommend some good books for inspiration and some entry level advice books please?

>>2629649
darker darks and brighter brights, his left arm's thin, and his head's a little tiny so he looks like he's 8 feet tall

>>2628303
dunno if you're still waiting for response from me, but lift your wrist from the page and don't rest it on anything. make motions with your arm for things like gesture and sketching. motions from the elbow are suited for very little, but make an okay bridge between arm and finger drawing. finger drawing is for details only, and when you do rest your hand on the page keep a sheet of paper between your palm/wrist and your work to avoid smearing.

it will be awful at first, a little like drawing with your non-dominant. it's very similar because you're using untrained muscles and have no muscle memory for the shapes and strokes you're used to making. start with boxes and ellipses/spheres, and whatever other exercise you can.

>>2629664
there's a sticky for this. the gist of most of the books in the sticky are 'fundamentals, fundamental, fundamentals,' though, so as long as you have

>sufficient observatory ability to distinguish the reality past the shortcutting your brain gives you
>the ability to translate lines from mind's eye to paper and the hand-eye coordination or muscle memory to do so consistently
>ability to break shapes down into simpler ones
>understanding of construction to build simple shapes into more complex ones
>knowledge of perspective
>knowledge of anatomy

in approximately that order, you'll do fine. there are lots of resources for all of these, but you have to practice day in day out if you want to draw like whatever professional has pulled you into this bout of motivation.

>>2629673
Are these good ones?
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1909414239/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=M5639PAYLBBF&coliid=I1OLMSFAFOAG4Q

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Keys-Drawing-Bert-Dodson/dp/0891343377/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1470522398&sr=1-1&keywords=keys+to+drawing

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Art-Animal-Drawing-Construction-Instruction/dp/0486274268/ref=pd_sim_14_15?ie=UTF8&dpID=513j%2BHWeHFL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR123%2C160_&psc=1&refRID=QTV9C566HX8DJKD0DD8X

https://www.amazon.co.uk/You-Can-Draw-Days-Landscapes/dp/0738212415/ref=sr_1_11?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1470522796&sr=1-11&keywords=how+to+draw+people

What is the point of copying the upside-down Stravinsky if I can't draw at all? I can't accurately copy it anyways, it ends up stretched or squished on one side every time.

>>2629681
That's not the point. The point is to feel what it means to draw exactly what you see and not symbol draw.

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Requesting an image showing how much a japanese artist improved in a SINGLE year and now draws top tier anime images please, I really need it.

>>2629692
That's actually helpful, thanks. Upside-down drawings in general seem like a good test of that.

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>>2629733
I literally just finished that exercise.

I made it, flipped it, looks like shit.

Flip the original, also looks like shit.

Mission accomplished.

>>2629744
Ugh, why is it flipped? I've got it right side up in my folder.

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>>2629682
Nice so far

Did a quick portrait study

>>2629668
Thank you, that was helpful. I tend to have issues with head sizing. I'll probably go back to it later.

>>2629790
I like this

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>>2628491
moar faces, bottom one is photo referenced

>>2629444
yeah i think you're right

>>2629790
I like it. Could you explain your process? I'm painfully slow at painting and need to find some better methods.

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Are these figure drawings alright?
I'm scared I've been paying too much attention to the contours instead of the general rhythm of the body.

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>bought an Intuos small for $250

god fucking damnit

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i've been drawing for a while but mostly figurines and abstract shit, doodles etc. i'm trying to get better though

>>2629828
cluck cluck

>>2629829
how does that even happen

were you not aware of it's true price

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This is taking forever!

>>2629855
I thought it was amazing earlier, now it's whoa!

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This is my first "real" render. I know the fists and proportions must suck.
I used MMD as a mannequin, and I didn't trace at all. I'm just proud that I made it in the first place.

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>>2629828
I just did another part 2

>>2629846
I don't know what you mean by that.

>>2629888
this is not rendered

>>2629898
Hm. How do I render it? I just exported it from the program as PNG.

>>2629899
>>2629899
>>2629899

NEW THREAD

>>2629899
>>2629899
>>2629899

>>2629888
You need to deconstruct objects from life to construct on paper.

You need to read fun with a pencil, but if you don't understand it, go do draw a box.

http://drawabox.com/

Once you go through draw a box, draw from life and simplify objects into basic shapes. (Cylinders, cubes, spheres, etc)

When that is down, construct a drawing out of cubes, spheres, etc on paper. You're very far from 3D, so you will need to do a lot of life drawing.

>>2629893
I assume anon is referring to your chicken scratch cowardly lines.

>>2629901

That's not what rendering means in the general context of art (outside of 3d modeling). Rendering is drawing in texture and detail as opposed to just a line drawing.

>>2629576
>http://65.media.tumblr.com/38dcd20b24f6dc46ab867b672fd86354/tumblr_na0arrOI451qe9a70o1_1280.jpg
I think the ears angle outward a bit more and you should show the space between the lips. The shadow underneath the lips towards the left side of his face should also be darkened. I like this though.

>>2629271
Can't crit since these are way better than my no-ref. Nice work.

>>2629818
I usually start with a pretty big brush and just outline shapes, then I shade main values with that brush in the same color. Then I add a Color layer on Photoshop, go over the monotone piece with colors, and then I keep working from there.

^ Hope this makes sense anon

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>>2626199
Not sure how I feel about this

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>>2630569
Forgot to resize

>>2629855
in krita is there a way to select everything but your drawing and creating a black background?