/beg/ - BEGINNER THREAD

>>2607190
You wanna throw in some hi-res refs someday?

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>>2607209
seconding this

not sure why most of the photos have soft lighting either

I don't know if this belongs here or the pixel thread, but is there any way to learn the fundamentals while doing pixel art? Or should I just stick to ordinary digital for that?

>>2607224
I'm sure it's possible. But I can only imagine that the "limitations" of pixel art would be super difficult if not detrimental.

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Can someone *please* help me with the anatomy of pic related? This is infuriating.

>>2607243
if you call shitmaster a faggot i will give you a redline

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>>2607243
Should really draw some more skellies, bro. Try drawing one in that pose then go from there.

Also try and kick that chicken scratch habit as quick as you can, that shit will haunt you.

>>2607256
shitmaster is a faggot.

>>2607257
I know, but it's a practice drawing on Paint, so I don't try as hard. I will try to remember next time though.

>>2607220
reminds me of that silly tranny comic.

remember when we didnt have niggers in beginner thread?
good times good times

>>2607296
But black refs matter.

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>>2607268
i didnt say a quality redline

just try to use form and break down the shape as well as use less lines

>>2607318
That's worse than the original, Nosebro, Anon's at least had some nice energy going on but you killed most of it, if it was on purpose you succeeded. Nice lines though?

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>>2607296
> didn't have niggers
> says the nigger

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>>2607198

>>2607323
honestly sometimes when i do redlines i feel like a god and other times trying to go from the original version screws me up massively.

>>2607213
Indeed.

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Grinding with hogarth

>>2607343
Just keep working fambino. You and Nile are the future of /ic/.

>>2607347
jesus i'm just drawing like drunken madman in the end

>>2607347
Tits aren't perfect circles.

>>2607351
i know ;)

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>>2607192

how did i do famalams?

>>2607353

far left is finished quick sketch

any tips advice?

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my wrist hurts when i draw too long

>>2607348
ill redline my redline in a week when my setup is back

>>2607357
one redline at a time well make it.

>>2607330
im not nose bro fuck u mang

>>2607353
What's with the random lines at the temple. Use a brush or a "pencil" when colouring, not both.

>>2607353
it looks nothing like him family
are you implying negroes look all the same to you????

So I'll ask it here because it's mostly about fundamentals. I haven't drawn seriously in about a year and a half since my anatomical drawing class ended. Mostly just little anime doodles. I'm struggling a lot with constructing with forms and perspective (I'm just gonna grab a pdf and practice the second one. I have an idea what to do there), since it was never really taught to me formally.

I understand the idea of building things with 3D shapes but nothing actually looks good when I do that. It's incredibly hit and miss, and it's frustrating the hell out of me.

The solution is pretty much just grind it out right? I'm going to have to get back on the wagon with actually drawing figures and trying to deconstruct them? I feel like I need to focus on correcting what I didn't learn so I can actually enjoy drawing again.

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>>2607423
>The solution is pretty much just grind it out right?
Pretty much. You start simple and gradually begin using more complex shapes, doing figure and anatomy studies in between to see how well it's sinking in and to apply what you're learning. This is why Hogarth is recommended after you start getting the hang of things, because the anatomy in the book is so exaggerated it's easier to grasp.

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Currently use these guides.
Enjoy /ic/
https://mega.nz/#fm/MghHGQ4Z

>>2607567
>that image
super fucking cute dude

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Hey i drew this from imagination. Its one of the first ones that dont look fully deformed! Anyone see any specific misproportions or misalignments??? Thanks

is it copying horgarth book is helping drawing figure from imagination in future?

as figure drawing beginner i can't draw without reference i don't want just copy it i want analyze it

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my main focus is xeroxing pictures of pretty grills
but every now and then i do try construction
i really cant do 3rd person point of view
i tried and it always looks bad
what do

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>>2607583
little bit fixed

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This looks shit, everything looks off

What am I doing wrong?

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After studying bits of anatomy, I decided to try to draw a figure from imagination, is the anatomy and perspective of the upper body okayish? I also wanted to ask for redlining the legs in this one as I have no idea how they should look from this angle and I'm unable to find a reference..

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>>2607592
draw face accurately no matter how it takes long
proportion is most important thing of the face

use cleaner line and practice line

>>2607590
Are you just copying figures from Hogarth's books? I would recommend Hampton's Figure Drawing: Design and Invention. It covers analyzing the body, constructing with and without reference, and is a good overall guide to beginner anatomy.

>>2607598
thanks i consider it after draw some stuff

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>>2607240

>>2607618
Guys I need serious advice. Should I give up? Please be honest with me.

>>2607619
There's no reason to ever give up if you really want it

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>>2607191
im having issues

>>2607596
Is my construction ok or is it harming my proportions?

>>2607637
draw clean circle draw clean jaw

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>>2607240
idk how to really use charcoal so excuse my mistakes

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when painting, what colors do i use for shadows? ive heard people say dont use black, while others say use the complementary color of the object, is there any rules for this?

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imagination, what to work on?

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>>2607677
shitty phone

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Ok, I've been drawing box figures recently to try and draw them properly. With pic related I tried drawing the figure by simplifying the upper chest and rib-cage into a more boxy shape, but not quite an exact box.
Am I taking a step in the right direction or should I go back to drawing box-figures

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>>2607686
Oh fuck sake, pic didn't rotate

>>2607581
This should help your head construction a little. Notice the line cutting the sphere at the top of the head is the brow line, whereas in your sketch the brow is significantly below.

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>>2607696
Forgot pic

>>2607634
symbols etc.

>>2607696
>>2607698
Not that guy Anon, but thanks! I'd been having some troubles with my own head construction and I think I just figured out why.

Should i work on perspective or figure drawing? I've just gotten done working on making my lines smooth and from the shoulder. I've done a little of perspective work, but nothing on a respectable level.

>>2607747
>>2607747
Of course im not 'done' with working on my lines, but i figured i should at least have a goal other than circles and cubes to fill the hours of practice.

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How can I improve?

>>2607666
I like

>>2607755
try setting up some simple still lives and drawing that for a few weeks, your basic forms need some help and examing basic forms from life (cans, fruits, boxes, etc.)

then when you come back to drawing mannequins, you should have a better understanding of how a cylinder behaves in 3d space.

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>>2607747
both.

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>>2607194
I fucked her shit up

>>2607830
ARE YOU BLACK XDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

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>>2607190
Did some studies from Aaron Blaise's anatomy course. Do you see any improvement from this picture to the next one? (1/2)

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>>2607190
(2/2)

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i'm really happy with this sofar.
critique?

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for these kinds of exercises I block out the figure and then sharpen details.
I don't see any significant improvement unfortunately.
I seem stumped and I'm almost inclined to give up.

>>2607837
Are you cancer?

>>2607755
Loosen up. Focus more on gesture than shape.

>>2607318
That leg... What hath God wrought? If you want to fix it: lengthen the thigh and either shorten, or keep the shin the same length.

>>2607842
have you tried flexing your muscles while drawing?

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>>2607347
I don't know if you have or not yet, but you should grind out some knowlege on the bones first and then instead of learning how to draw the body by memorizing what it looks like, memorize how it is put together. ie: Once you know the proportions of the ribcage and arm bones, study where the pectorals attach and insert. Same with the biceps and the triceps. Honestly if you spend even just a few hours looking at the body from this very technical perspective you'll learn SO MUCH that will hugely enhance your drawing when you go back to doing what you're doing with these. Because your problem with these pictures is that you don't have a clear enough understanding of why the muscles look the way they do. You know there's a bulge "somewhere around here" but you don't know exactly why it's there letalone specifically where it is.

Study bones. I say this to everyone because it's so true. The bones are more important to the human form than the muscles are. The muscles are dependant on the bones and where the bones protrude, not the other way around.

I was forced to buy this book for an anatomy class, and it's a good book if you can find it, he breaks this stuff down very well. Or just get one of those anatomy apps for your ipad or something, or just fuckin' google some skeletons. Spend a good while drawing the bones and you'll improve much faster.

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How do I into arms?

The way flexed arms look is a mystery to me. Does anyone have a nice tut/resource that I can look into to get an idea on what the defining muscles are and where they are attached? Proko hasn't covered arms yet. :(

Is there a good book for features? Eyes, mouth nose ears etc

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>>2607353
added a little more to yesterdays freestyle sketches

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>>2607934

just got finished drawing these quick freestyle sketches just now

no references, original stuff yall

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overrendered or something

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>>2607940

>>2607935
You should look at some references and compare to your sketches, especially for the woman on the bottom left of your other post.

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2 hr life

>>2607955
is the pic taken correctly?
cause legs seem tiny.

>>2607957
might be at an angle, doen't look that rediculous irl, the page is A2 or A1 size

how long do you guys usually spend on studies?

my instructors always tell me that speed comes with time and not to worry about how long it takes but im curious.

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>>2607637
You've got a lot of small problems all over the place from the construction to how you use the construction.

I did some redline/tutorial. It's not perfect, I discovered a bunch of minor mistakes once I got to the black line, but I hope it helps

>>2607974
Idk, however long I feel?
you should listen to your instructors though.

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Does anyone have good photos of models outdoors in direct sunlight for an exercise in keys of drawing? Also anywhere I could find a lot of good photos for reference?

Thanks!

>>2607982
go to the park

>>2607982
the reference thread is full of refs, you can ask what you're looking for and some kind anons post what you're lookin for.

other than that idk

>>2607977
>coincide

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>>2607243
I fixed it up a little. Can someone tell me what I did wrong now?

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>>2607982
I tried... I guess? The book only explained mapping until now, I discovered I have 0 clues as to how to make texture and even how to shade decently, but I guess I'll get better in this chapter.

Will be posting every exercise in this thread from now on, 1 exercise per day.

It isn't in direct sunlight but its a shading project I think, will do more with sunlight later.

お世話になります!

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pls help

>>2608051
May I suggest solid everything first then doing the detail, it would help you get a better Idea at what you want to do with it.
Also liquids tend to have a transparency to it so it would help in that too

>>2608051
Thighs aren't shaped like thighs. They look like big sausages melded to a too an oddly shaped pelvis made to accommodate their weird shape

>>2607842

Michael Gira?

>>2607688
definitely focus less on dynamic poses until you can draw a simple standing pose propperly. It seems you're trying to do too much with too little understanding

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Please guys, someone can help me? I recently bought a cheap graphic monitor because I really love digital art, but when I started drawing on it I suddenly realized how shitty I really am. I really want to improve but I don't know how or where to start.
Someone can suggest me some exercises to start on a graphic tablet?
(the drawing here looks actually better than usual because the thick lines covered my shit lines)

>>2608087
Fix the left arm first before you start a new drawing. It's too short.

>>2608094
Yeah thanks, but I need some starting exercises for a newbie shit artist with a graphic monitor

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Criticism? :)

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>>2607190
Hey am I heading in the right direction with gestures?

>>2607224

stick to pencil and paper. I tried doing the "learn from pixel art" idea when I was 15 and learned nothing

>>2607977
This makes a tonne of sense to me. Guess I was too lazy understand Loomis. Thanks eternally

>>2607977
this is amazingly helpful anon, thanks

>>2608134
No you're not lazy, trust me. I draw pretty well but I find it extremely difficult to accurately draw that sphere shape with the sides cut off. If you can draw that perfectly the loomis method for drawing heads is really straight forward. I still have trouble with it. Keep practicing.

>>2607934
Learn basic proportions before you start drawing bodies from imagination.

>>2607940
You're jumping into the colors before you really understand them. This is ok, and not really worth pointing out because you'll just have to power through it to get it right, but here's a good tutorial that will help simplify the coloring process and separate it into categories of how light interacts with stuff.
http://ukitakumuki.deviantart.com/art/SONS-OF-ORION-Process-x-Tutorial-522857505

And a pro tip that will help you focus on the colors and not have to worry about coloring outside the lines and messing things up, Instead of trying to describe it to you, just look at this tutorial: http://themichaelmacrae.deviantart.com/art/Wolf-Steps-541924102

>>2608401
Actually, that second tutorial doesn't do shit, just google how to lock layers and you'll quickly see why it's important.

>>2608102
Study perspective, and get rid of that fucking maths book.

>>2608096
Read the sticky, it will tell you what to book to study.

Is it ever to late to start drawing?

>>2608127
Looks about right, but you may want to study anatomy more. Once you've got a good understanding of it, go back to expression. Just my two cents

>>2608421
Nope! Read the sticky in the OP.

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A moth princess draw for another chan

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Should I be pushing the values on this more? Are there any other issues before I move on? love you /beg/

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first time using watercolor and painting. what could i have done different to make the leaf look better

>>2608036
Crit please?

>>2607866
eheheheheh
>>2608061
yes!

>>2608458
time to pick up hampton

No matter what I do, trying to draw a head using proko turns out like shit, WHY?

My jaws are always fucked up, I can't draw eyes like he can, anything I try to do like him would be considered "symbol" drawing when its not. I don't know what the fuck to do.

>>2608511
Post work.

>>2608036
head should be up higher since the viewpoint is a bit lower than the chin. Get a model or take a pic of urself.

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Fuck my shit up if you want.

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>>2608557
I really don't know what to do about hair.

>>2608509
Why every time i upload a draw, i get a weird response?

>>2608560
>>2608561
your next step is to payattention to your mark-making. Your structural instincts are good but your lack of attention to detail makes these too messy to shine.

>>2608565
mark making? Should I still try to copy photos? I feel like this is a waste of time, since i'm just learning to copy a photo, which doesn't reflect much talent, just skill.

>>2608562
Pick up Hampton and see if you get better responses.

>>2608511
As Anon said, post work. Expect a bunch of "needs more Loomis, yadda, yadda, but you will get some genuine responses. As for the jaw line, the mandible attaches at the lower middle of the "cut" of the sphere of the skull, not AT the cut like many newbies think. The jaw goes down for a bit before moving forward and inward until the chin.

Symbol drawing is a generic term - EVERYONE symbol draws, it's just that our symbols are more complex. Stop worrying too much about symbol drawing and worry more about analyzing and choosing the correct way to represent the form.

>>2608567
So all these study threads are all wasteful, right? Don't ever copy a photo. Study it, analyze it, see why things are the way they are. It might be a little more intensive on yourself but it helps in the long run.

>>2608570
"Hampton"

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I deliberately tried to put in some stronger values this time. I also forced myself to finish the whole thing. It got a bit messy in the end, but it turned out alright.

A lot of shapes still seem off and my lines are all shaky, but I'm making progress.

I'm still slowly making my way through Keys to Drawing and Fun with a Pencil.

>>2608567
You seem to have achieved a good degree of skill at doing it. Move on to drawing from imagination.

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Actually fucking end me Sweet christ

>>2608608
Right looks a bit like Erdogan.

>>2608608
that is actually kind of horrifying in a good way.

>>2608608
You still did better than most in terms of alignment and form. You seem to forget to check measurements and proportions. For instance, you didn't compare the endings of her mouth in relation to her eyes, nor measure that her mouth is roughly one eye height from her nose. Or that her eyes are around 3/4 of an eye apart. You also made her eye seem to bulge forth from her socket.

Sit and analyze where you fucked up and redraw. Sustain what you do well and improve what you suck at.

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>>2608608
-10

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Thanks for the feed back!

>>2608056
That's probably would be a good idea.
The liquid will be done differently in the final version.

>>2608058
Jupp, tried fixing that.

>>2608509
What happened to loomis?

>>2608662
He died, there's a new kid in town.

>>2607977
LOOOOOL you fucked up the ears you dumb faggot

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Can someone help me? I've been struggling with figure drawing and I've been told study Hampton's books, then to study Bridgeman, but I tried Bridgeman first and found it a lot easier to draw figures using Bridgeman's methods. So I need to ask, even though I'm a shit-tier beginner, should I still check out Bridgeman or should I keep soldiering on with Hampton?

Also, can I get some critique on pic related?

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I think i fucked up the shadows, but what do you think?

>>2608687

What do you want to draw? What is your purpose? You don t need to waste time with such bullshit

>>2608696
This

If you want to draw qt animu grills to get that patreon money just focus on basic anatomy and then waste as much time as you can slapping filters on things

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>>2608696
>>2608698
My goal for art is pretty much pic related. My purpose is also similar to pic related: tell stories with art and language.
However, I still want to get as good as possible so I can keep as many options open as possible.
Currently I'm trying to draw basic nude figures and basic drapery

>>2607940
You should start with a sketch to paint over, it will make the process a lot faster. Get your anatomy and proportions on the canvas before painting.

Colors are too saturated, skin will look more natural if you move toward greys.

Keep at it, Anon.

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>>2608608
Try this the next time. Also this>>2608623 is good advice too

>>2608722
ANTS

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>>2608722
I fucked up... Good news I found it again!

>>2607676
pls respond

>>2608623
Thank You!! I'll definitely be more aware of that next time

>>2608695
Any responses, any critique, anything? I don't want to do another still life, while making the same mistakes.

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>>2608608
>>2608623
>>2608722
Okay i tried another it still looks bad but at least it looks more human?

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>>2608756

>>2608695
its ok
Just polish it more.

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Have a cutie to draw.

>>2608756
You're not drawing what's there. You know that yourself. I don't know if you're in a hurry, but if you are: Stop it. Slow. The fuck. Down. Spend an hour measuring and putting down lines, spend two if you have to.

>>2608461
I guess this just hits the valley of "not bad enough to comment on, but not good enough to either" . Sometimes no response is the most telling, because it means your work is uninteresting and needs that extra attention grab, something to make the viewer go wow and then they need to comment on it. I would push the values, just as you though, and also add more contrast for depth . Aim for a misty atmosphere.

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hi, can someone give me a redline or just advice for the foreshortening of the forearm? i know this is kind of messy but i want his hand to be gripping his calf, and i can't seem to get it to look right

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Am i in the right direction?
tablet hurts my hand

>>2608907
resize your image you fucking ape
>>2608988
absolutely not
>>2608795
why dont you git gud enuf to draw this chink by yourself

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any critic on this ?

too lazy to finish that sketch
its suprisingly less shitty than what i usually do

>>2608988
shape of the head isn't right and you already started doing the shading.

>>2608795
This is a terrible picture. And I'm not even talking about the girl.

>>2608988
don't use a drawing to reference light you fuck. go find a photo.

>>2608993
im posting from my phone...no way to do that. thanks for the constructive criticism tho

>>2608729
You take the color of light and the surroundings into account. Light hitting a big, green wall is going to bounce off as green light and illuminate what's around it green - EVEN IF THERE IS A SHADOW. If it's not perfectly black, some light is reaching that area. So if you have this green light illuminating something blue, the shadow is going to be a desaturated, darker teal, but still close to the blue spectrum.

It takes time and study, but you'll get it.

>>2609001
Filename says it all. Get too learning about the human body.

>>2608036
the right leg is a little too short, make it about 3/4ths longer or so

>>2608756

Looks like you're already getting better. Remember to keep measuring. It may be better to make the vertical line first for the center of the face, then the horizontal for the eyes, measure the eyes from the center (while keeping nose in mind), measuring the nose's end relative to your cranial sphere, put little dots for the end of the nostrils, tip of the nose. Then measure the distance from the tip of the nose to the top of the lip and put a little dot. After this, relative to the eyes, find the end of the mouth (mid-eye, start of eyes).

For instance, this model actually has around the "golden rule" of 1 eye spacing between the eyes. The nose goes down around 3 eye heights, and at the second eye height, she had previously broken her nose. From her septum, it's approximately one eye height to her mouth. Her mouth is as wide as the insides of her eyes (can be tricky, have to imagine the contours around the cheeks). Her chin is as wide as her mouth.

Your goal is really to measure and relate as much as possible, which is what will make this the most accurate. If you measure properly, the portrait will be identifiable and easier to render. And even if you botch the rendering, the portrait will still be identifiable.

>>2609116
can you list everything that is wrong ? so that i will work more on it

>>2609127
Have you cracked open any materials on anatomy or perspective?

I didn't know where to ask this question I think /beg/ is optimal, does /ic/ have other hobbies as well?

I am trying to get into drawing, I really like it but I have my main hobby which is music, I play an instrument, and also want to dabble into some software and perhaps electronic music.

How do I balance these 2? Seems really hard

>>2609139
desu i never took drawing seriously until now, didnt even follow any tutorial or theory on anything related to art. i just watch anime and try to draw something similar

but im starting to gain some motivation to make it one day, so im downloading some PDFs right now. hope i will get better

>>2609145
who the fuck replaced my "t b h" with "desu" ? i never wrote that !

>>2609143
I'm a musician as well, and I find that drawing and music compliment each other very well. I especially like the fact that I can listen to music whilst being creative, which is simply impossible when music is your sole creative outlet.
You just have to give yourself time to do both. If you're already making music it's a bit easier since you can focus more on learning to draw, as your musical "fundamentals" are already solidly in place, but learning a DAW while also learning to draw seems to me like it would be a bit difficult if you want to see real progress somewhat quickly. Better to focus on one thing at a time for now, at least until you have the fundamentals down.

>>2609171
yeah, I'd like to dedicate at least 2 hrs everyday for drawing (fundamentals and stuff) and just spend the rest of my free time making music.

I only recently picked up drawing, I was kinda on the fence about having 2 hobbies etc, nice to see musicians around here

>>2609154
Wordfilter.

Figured as much, it's obvious you've yet to gain any kind of deeper understanding. Not hating, we all got to start somewhere, but you need to hit the books/sticky/loomis/etc before you can ask for serious help. The kind of tips and pointers we're going to give you is regurgitating anything you can find in any decent drawing resource, so it becomes a complete waste of time.

>>2609176
Always good to have multiple hobbies. I've found that learning how to draw has changed how I go about making music a little bit. I figure it's good to rewire the creative part of your brain every once in a while.

>>2609189
alright !

why filtering such a word, though ? i mean, it doesnt even have any offensive nature.

>>2609196
>Eubonics are acceptable
Go fuck yourself desu

>>2609207
why so rude ? i know its 4chan but c'mon, dude

>>2609196
I have no idea. But if I suggest anything I'd say do NOT ignore perspective. It's something I put off for years and hindered my improvement to a crawl. It is incredibly important in seeing and understanding the world around us. There are many subtleties that can be missed by not honing your understanding, like in the slight foreshortening that the girl's arms should have had in your picture.

Anatomy is important as well for figure drawing, and I do mean ALL the bones and muscles. Bones are the basic shape and scaffolding for everything the body as well as giving it hardness where it's needed, the muscles define the shape and give your figure a great soft/firm aesthetic, even when someone has gained considerable weight you can often find the larger of the muscle groups. Gaining an intimate knowledge of the body will let you learn more rapidly with figure drawing studies, give you more ways to doublecheck your work, and speed up the process of figure drawing by doing less secondguessing.

These are just two aspects of the fundamentals, and focusing on just figure drawing alone like many will leave you wanting when it comes to creating more than just pretty naked anime girls. It may sound like a lot when you get serious enough to realize how much there is truly is you have to learn, but just keep working hour after hour, day after day, year after year if you plan on making it.

>>2609226
thanks for taking the time to write that ! it helped a bit

personally, my goals aren't really that huge. i want to reach a level good enough to appeal to random people who know nothing about drawing, i dont really wanna be "god-tier" like some people call it here.
how far am i from "average/good enough for most people" ?

>>2609241
Refer back to your filename here. >>2609001

>but im starting to gain some motivation to make it one day, so im downloading some PDFs right now. hope i will get better

Oh, okay!

> i want to reach a level good enough to appeal to random people who know nothing about drawing

>i dont really wanna be "god-tier"

Haha, forget all my advice you fucking weaboo faggot.

>>2609248
are you really the same anon ? that change in attitude is quite suprising

>>2609254
That's because you betrayed me anon, you said you wanted to make it, but now you only care about impressing the average, uninitiated fool. You disappoint me with your words. If you're going to put in the effort, you might as well see it through. It's fine if you want to initially aim for lower goal, but let it be as a stepping stone towards greater achievements.

>>2609273
>im 13
Oh shi-

>>2609289
what's so wrong ?

>>2609294
4chan Global Rule nr.2 "You will immediately cease and not continue to access the site if you are under the age of 18."

>>2609306
don't care, i will find another way.

>>2609311
I'm sorry that you're young and stupid and haven't learned Internet safety.

>>2609366
well, in my opinion, internet isn't really THAT bad, i saw some nasty things, but i turned out fine. a lot of people aren't really nice here, but i find a lot of helpful stuff. i don't regret coming here. i gotta grow a thicker skin, though.

>>2609374
Be careful or your skin will grow too thick for your own good. 4chan is not a good environment for a young, impressionable mind.

>>2609273
>also, im 13, so i think i have enough time to get somewhere.
MODS

>>2609385
don't worry, i will be careful.
even when things might go bad, my parents will push me to the right path, i trust them.

>>2609273
So only children use desu. I wouldn't expect anything else from people that think this site is a fucking phone.

>>2609099
you didn't read the op huh

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>>2609564
Forgot to resize

how many hours a day should I be drawing if I wanna git gud?

>>2609672
Most people recommend 8.

>>2609672
30-35

how come I can't draw as well from reference as I can from life?

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Is there a proper way to practice stuff? I don't want to practice the wrong way of drawing.

>>2608988

Not even close.

Loomis - Fun With a Pencil

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>>2608907
ok, i resized it. ask still stands, please and thank you

>>2609757
Learn to measure

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>>2608795
couldnt do

>>2609792
measure what? thats from imagination

>>2609797
Draw from life and learn to measure, create a visual library. It looks bad because you have no idea what you're doing

>>2609737

Keys to Drawing

>>2609809
Lol I read that already. Don't reply with book titles dude, it doesn't help anyone if you don't atleast take the effort to expand on the point you're trying to make. You would've been better off not replying desu.

>>2609813
A lot of beginners like to reply with book titles or spout the word of the month to other beginners rather than posting something constructive. It makes them feel like they are a step above beginner. You might hear "pillow shading" thrown around a lot lately.

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how's this?

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Hello /ic/, I come seeking some help. I've been trying to draw some figures, and I've been told to break the torso into two boxes and move on from there. Here's a couple of images of what I've been trying.

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Any problems with this?

>>2609852
tons

>>2609852
>>2609852
lrn to ink faggot

>>2609852
not making anything worthwhile and going the edgy route was the problem

>>2608422
Underrated post

>>2609852
all

>>2609852
Head anatomy is bad, the fabric of the hood is stiff. The cyborg jaw can be solved if you understood the heads anatomy.

So to improve, just study heads, fabric, and persoective

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My friends liked this but their obviously biased. Tear me apart /ic/.

>>2609963
loomis

>>2609963
That's a relatable kind of funny

>>2608687
Use whatever book is easiest to absorb. If you finish it and still want to get better then move onto Hampton.

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>>2608695
See how the blade of the scissors is a straight diagonal but the shadow curves to the right? Same with the left side of the jug's shadow. The jug is made of straight lines, not curves.

>>2609844

Why the fuck are you rendering Nigger1? You should focus on basic construction and anatomy for now.

>>2608907
You're going to be gripping fuck all if your hand is resting on top of your calf. Draw the hand lower, resting in front of the thigh instead of on top, with the fingers splayed out and contracted. Then draw the skin like a bunch of u's, showing the fat bulging out between the fingers.

>>2609844
Let him render if he wants to. You need to start blending values together. Instead of just having stripes of increasingly light values.

>>2609845
>>2609846
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0660Fuih7qo

how much figure is enough? i try to do three figure drawings from reference but i just end up getting bored and in turn sloppy

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>>2607347
those balloon tits.

>>2610047

You can never do enough figure studies.
It can be too much, though, so when you notice that you're getting sloppy, try to push through for a bit (that's a mental skill you learn with practice, just like keeping proper anatomy and seeing straight) and if you just can't, go do something else.

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Im trying to learn to draw faces

Keyword: trying

>loomis
I have the pdf open. I'd just appreciate direct feedback, as my self criticism can be surmised in its entirely as 'it sucks'


Can someone share their pen pressure settings for Intuous with the pressure curve tool? I'm having a lot of trouble getting a good gradient between thick and thin lines, and I feel the pressure setting are partly to blame.

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>>2609844
practice using black and white color because works the same
and keep practicing your going to make it someday (ans read books on the book thread about the construction of the human body)
sorry for my example is a little muddy

>>2608988
blind people on ic again!?

seriously how can you not spot the difference? hell just use fucking colour picker to spot the difference in light fuck.

>>2610087
if youre just start loomis youre in no place to try stuff from imagination. you need to learn to construct heads, then learn to construct them well, then start practice portraits from references, practice portraits that actually capture the likeness and im not sure where the fuck to go from then because im at the point where i can draw a face from reference very well very quickly but i havent really tried doing from imagination yet

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>>2610088
did this the other day

Ty for suggestions!

How do you practice not looking at your hand? It just turns into retard scribbles if I try to focus mostly on my subject

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>>2609844
Light is not a beam, it bounces!
This may help.

>>2610254
much better!

>>2610279
keep scribbling until you are more comfortable.
You don't need to never look at your paper, though. Just do it less than how much you observe your subject.

Note that at a certain point where the main shapes and areas for shadow and light have been established looking at your subject intently isn't always as necessary for building the image, but it's good to double check before you "finalize" as to pick up more on mistakes and such.

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Haven't drawn since early High School and I forgot how much I added unessicary shit when I sketched.

Pic related is a really bad Stardust the Superwizard. His preportions are supposed to be really off compared to his head.

Thoughts so far?

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best ive done pls shit on me

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Tried drawing realistic

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>>2607935

brand new sketches yall

thoughts? critiques? advice?

sketchbook pro, freestyle, no references, original stuff

>>2610290
draw still lives to get basic 3d forms down

super wizard my ass you just drew flat stanley

>>2610308

Eyes aren't bad, but they're looking in different directions. The shape of the face is way off--put more time into drawing or refining the overall shapes before committing to rendering. Measure, measure, measure.
Your edges are sharp, but look segmented like you shared them by cutting bits off with a hard eraser tool. They would be better if they were a bit softer and more cohesive. I know you proudly use a bristle brush for the hair, but it looks like you tried to draw every hair individually, which never looks right. I'm not great with values, so I'll let someone else talk to you about those.

>>2610308
Does she have an underbite?

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>>2607634
HAHA, I'm a nutcase apparently. Oh well, first shot at shade-drawing a portrait, it's better than shit scribbles. Gotta keep trying.

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is this good?

How do I get over my shitty standards?

It doesn't let me practice because as soon as I start drawing I'm starting to think "man this looks like shit" and I just drop it.

>>2610415
As a beginner, focus on getting better than you were last month instead of trying to judge yourself against pros. It's a fairly simple way to think of things without overanalyzing and it gets you on a good track.

>>2610365
You aren't drawing what you're seeing.

>>2610382
yes!! not perfect but very cute, good proportions, v nice job on the hands and feet, i like the shapes outside of the figure. maybe work on hair n face and the details/forms of the knees and lower legs, but i think if this is your average work you can safely leave the beginner threads

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trying to draw faces, any improvements?

>go to /i/
>threads up from over a year ago

Dayum

>>2610335
The features look flat and "stuck" on tot he face. You need to learn the muscles underneath so it all works together. Try also focusing on a feature and drawing it a hundred times.

>>2610456
Link please

are there any /ic/ resources for sculpting? I didn't find anything for digital or traditional in the sticky. Could really use some help and guidance

>>2610465

>>>429794
>>>412483

There was another one somewhere but I cant find it now. Probably more.

>>2610465
oops

>>>/i/429794
>>>/i/412483

>>2610472
Try >>>/3/

>>2610483
that's 3d modeling, which is different from sculpting. I doubt they'll have anything on working with clay

>>2610472
Anatomy for sculptors should be in the book thread

is anyone here a talentless artist who got good by learning

>>2610496
me

>>2610494

Yeah I found & downloaded it. I guess that's all I get on /ic/. Just to be safe I also looked through the /3/ and it's mostly 3d modeling and rigging. I like Anatomy for sculptors, but it doesn't give any info on tool and material use, texturing, armatures, etc. I'm not above googling but I'd like some more "artist tested" resources.

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Doodled my favourite flick character in 4 minutes.

>>261049 can you show me some sketches

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tfw can't perspective

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why do my gestures always look retarded

>>2610540
fucking KEK

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>>2607194
complete beginner at digital art (and honestly pretty much never used colors while doing traditional), kind of used this as a ref to practice my colouring and actually using a tablet (it's fucking hard???)

anyone got tips for a newbie? rn i'm just trying out everything i think looks cool at the same time haha

>>2610540
Usually they're supposed to look a little retarded because poses should be exaggerated.

In your case, you would benefit from learning a little bit of proportions in terms of body parts and later on starting anatomy.

>>2610540
why is he wearing a hat and has boxcutter nipples

>>2610551
>you would benefit from learning a little bit of proportions in terms of body parts and later on starting anatomy
so when you draw your first squiggly line you are suppose to already have in mind the proportions? I though the point was making a human from the random line, like thats the challenge

>>2610559
If by squiggly line, you mean the line of action (which you shouldn't identify as random), no. You should -always- have correct proportions in mind when you're drawing. The only challenge in gesture drawing is to describe the story of a figure with minimal lines.

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>>2607193
bluh

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I feel more confident drawing dumb animals than i do drawing people.

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>>2607213
How's this? Kinda new to digital, starting to grasp it.

>>2610601
>dat mewtwo right foot

>>2610254
PERFECT!! keep practicing

>>2610445
Jesus that looks terrifying. Work on where you position the nostril, and is that a hole between her lips? The values are too dark there.

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>>2610432
Thanks senpai, appreciate that.
Here is another study I just finished

>>2610345
Thanks man

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>>2610338

new random original freestyle quick sketches, sketchbook pro

last time im posting in this thread, i think i should move on to the normal art threads or sketch threads i guess

maybe im better than i though i was lol

I wanna git gud, I really do. If there is one piece of advice that would help me at all it's what kind of study pattern I should be following. What does everybody study and for how long? I started Keys to Drawing but haven't been feeling much confidence, should I start it over and do each exercise over and over until something clicks with each one? I understand that it's mostly all grinding, and I'm okay with that, but I guess I'm just looking for a wee bit of guidance in any aspect

>>2607301
Lmaooooo

>>2610382
I really like this anon! Saved.

>>2610456
What is /i/ even, I went there once and it was so strange, no good art to be found on any of the year old threads.

>>2610944
How good are you with actual ref and more detailed drawings though.

Is this right? I find humans hard

>>2607680
Its pretty messy and incoherent.

>>2608557
good teeth, ive always had problems with them, any suggestions how to get better?

>>2610365
s y m b o l d r a w i n g