/beg/ - BEGINNER THREAD

>>2603470
Is there something fuckin weird going on with the camera here?

>>2603467
>OP image
Fucking KEK

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WHY DO MY GESTURES COME OUT AS OUTLINES INSTEAD OF THE GESTURE ITSELF
IT'S EITHER STICKMAN OR OUTLINES, NOTHING INBETWEEN

>>2603489
It's hard to say without seeing the gestures, but always start with the line of action and try drawing into the model.

>>2603489
Help would be faster if you showed us.

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>>2603492
>>2603493
no camera at hand
these are a bit older and before I swithed to pen and paper, the problem is pretty much the same though

>>2603494
Don't look at the model as much - remember their pose. That way, you focus less on the contour and more on the overall FEELING of the pose. At least, that's what helped me and made the switch in my brain.

>>2603494
Try doing a few poses where you don't lift your pencil off the paper.

>>2603494
You gotta FEEL the FLOW dude

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repost from last thread; how do i use textured brushes on sai because i don't think I'm doing this right.
Any other input is good too

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>>2603507
heres the ref

>>2603504
>>2603506
I'll try that, thank you

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>>2603508

>>2603523
I don't think zac efron is that chubby.

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Reposting honestly. Didn't get crit last time

>>2603617
It sucks, next.

>>2603617
The lines are good for a beginner thread. You're at that weird stage where you need to add color/value to provide any meaningful help unless you go to the draw thread.

>>2603621
Wrong af

>>2603617
alright man time for some real critiques working from the top down.
your ear(s)? aren't properly lines up with the facial features and you dont have a proper perspective on the under side of the forehead for that face angle. the lines on the neck arent anatomically correct look up how the veins in your neck work as well as the connection to the shoulders. your hands are wonky af dont ignore hands just keep on working at them they are a challenge for a lot of artists but if you ignore them youll never git gud. breasts are uneven. your right kneecap isnt in place properly feet are meh but them ankles need help.
pose isnt horrible but your losing the base gesture of the figure with the weapons which confuse the overall piece. peace.

>>2603507
The same way you use normal brushes?

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crit the coloring please. I'm trying to paint from imagination.

>>2603773
set a light source before coloring initial skin tones ok for a pale asian dont color on white set your background to a light grey shade and a hue complimenting the main hue of the piece and a saturation thats low also its pretty shit work on anatomy even if you didnt ask gotta say it

>>2603791
thanks, actually, can you elaborate on the anatomy?

>>2603792
well your skulls wonky your noses right nostril is screwed up and your eyes arent positioned properly or put into proper perspective hold up imma sketch a real quick redline

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>>2603792
here if you cant read my chicken scratch ask and ill type it out

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Here's some still life, still working on plate however.

>>2603617
I feel like the candle has no weight. Needs to sag a bit and pull on her which can be reflected in her pose. The feets perspective look a little off. Faceless Void is an OP cunt

>>2603820
when your laying out your initial values dont be afraid to hit those edges hard you can clearly see that you added the shadows in after the egg and the pot were done because theres that gap of white between the two surfaces donrt be afraid to just draw straight into the pot then draw over the shadow although it seems like a pain itll keep the brush strokes looking solid and save you work overall.
when your making the form of rounded objects keep your brush stokes going in the same direction as the form of the object your painting

>>2603812
great, thank you!

>>2603467
Not quite done, but recently I've been messing up on my faces.

Any tips on this?

And on going forward on inking and coloring, any tips on that as well?

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>>2603879
Forgot my pic. But yeah.

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>>2603879
>>2603882

>>2603879
>recently
that implies you've got perfect faces so far

I'm kinda sad that you don't even resize your fucking picture before asking for help.

>>2603888
REAL CRITICISM! NOT FUCKING LOOMIS!

Why is this so hard?

Like oh the hear looks off and whatnot.

>>2603891
I come to the beginner boards because everywhere else they won't give it to me, and tell me to go here. What the fuck man?

>>2603893
Like damn you could at least redline the fucker.

>>2603891
>>2603893
>>2603896

here's your (You)

i just gave u fucking 3 of them

>>2603891
if you had read the book, you had realized the mistakes that have your face, like the position of the nose, the eyes, all that It appears in the book, even a idiot can realize that

>>2603897
I asked for critique not a shitty picture and my YOUS just give me critique you ass

>>2603901
Well you should have just said that you piece of shit.

>>2603891
>>2603893
>>2603896
>>2603902
>>2603903
lol

>>2603907
Whatever. I came to the beginner thread to get critique and I got it. So I'm satisfied. Memes not withstanding.

>>2603907
Where's your art if you're such hot shit anyways? Or has your Loomis god failed you?

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>>2603882

stop bitching

>>2603915
That still sucks. You're just being memey, and not talking like a real person. I expect more than Loomis, because there needs to be more to it. This called a critique board, not shill Loomis board. But like I said feel free to post your art fuckwad. By all means!

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>>2603920
pick whoever you want, loomis, vilppu, hampton, hogarth, etc

>>2603927
Loomis teaching feels weird to me, hence why I don't know why everyone keeps recommending him to me. I just don't know how to navigate through the book.

>>2603920
You're right anon, loomis is being meme'd at you. You do not need loomis. You are basically at square 0. You need to practice lines and circles and then basic forms such as cubes and spheres. Faces are a bit too much for you right now and it really shows. Slow down and start with the basic stuff. You don't need to master them but you do need to get some form of understanding.
If you want to read a book, keys to drawing is a better starting point.

You may feel that this is not a specific critique on your specific drawing but it's hard to critique the superficial elements of your basic drawing when the very foundation is missing.

The biggest and most jarring flaw is your complete and utter lack of confidence with line. You have scribbled around the same circle maybe 50 times. Perhaps there is one in there that is close to correct, but all it tells me is that you do not know how to draw a circle.

>>2603920
>But like I said feel free to post your art fuckwad. By all means!

what does my art have 2 do w/ anything friend

>>2603934
If you think you're so much better and you have this proper example of what a Loomis worthy artist should be then feel free to share your work.

>>2603920
you have suffered enough for now lets get you some real help. for starters although the guy above may be an asshole he is right at the moment you are symbol drawing rather than creating forms and understanding the meaning behind the placement of the symbols you wish to use. stand by for a second and i will help you get a little bit more on track for what you want to do (with pictures)

>>2603932
>keys to drawing
That's a pretty boring book.

I get what you're saying but I have every right to be angry if you guys are memeing me if Im asking for critique. It shouldn't have taken me this long to have gotten it.

And the scribbles is obviously me starting out the picture and it being a sketch that sets the tone for the final piece. You're no better than these other memers.

>>2603937

man ur a hothead

just draw my dude and stop bitching

>>2603940
>And the scribbles is obviously me starting out the picture and it being a sketch that sets the tone for the final piece.

You're making a lot of assumptions here, friend.

If you were competent at what you were doing, your "sketch that sets the tone" would not look like that. Not even remotely.

I know that being a complete beginner you have no idea what real advice that is helpful or unhelpful is, so don't take my word for it.

Go through the first few pages of "Scott Robertson's How to Draw" book and it will perhaps bring to light my suggestion in a more clear way.

Pair up the beginning exercises in there with some from KTD and you will make progress.

>>2603920
If you cant copy from a book you dont need critique. You need to draw more, you need to practice lines, circles, cubes etc.

You are being memed at because you are at such a beginner level its difficult to provide anything useful other than "draw more" - "pick a book, study it, copy it, do the exercises" etc.

Get over yourself, what you posted was given the level of crit it deserved by several anons (myself included)

>>2603945
Fuck off. You're just being condescending.

>I know all the names of these books look at me!

And stop recommending me KTD. THATS A SHIT BOOK!

>>2603950
And you are shit tier. Stick with the "shit" books until you arent shit.

>>2603952
Takes shit to know shit bby

>>2603950
>You're just being condescending.

No, I'm really not. I recommend the books that I know are helpful, because I want to help.

But I also know you're not the person I was responding to so I don't know what your deal is.

>>2603956
At least you've finally admitted it. You are on your way now anon. The beginning is recognizing your problem. Good luck.

>>2603958
Its all been one guy and that guy is me.

I just want good criticism. And I cant get these books because my income isn't stable

>>2603963
Then check the book thread....

>>2603963
>>2603964
>Book Thread
>>2597503

>>2603963
Ah, I had misread when you said KTD was a "boring" book, I thought you said "good", so I figured it'd be weird to do a 180 like that.

But learning in general isn't super exciting, and I don't think it's the most fun either. But it is helpful.

There is an artbook thread with the PDF's

you don't have to buy them.

good luck anon.

>>2603920
Will you people shut the fuck up and get to drawing. Jesus fucking christ.

>>2603950
This is another anon baiting.

>>2603964
I cant sit at my Pc all day or my mom will bitch about it.

>>2603970
Why do you need to sit at your pc all day to start a download?

>>2603970
I'm beginning to realize angryanon is underage, that or really just wants a full time mentor to hold their hand.

You've spent this much time arguing on 4chan. Could have downloaded a book and started going through a few pages in this time.

>>2603971
Thats obviously not what I meant. I meant I cant sit at PC copying drawings without my mom bitching about it

>>2603972
Im 18 you bitch

>>2603975
>>2603976
Point still stands. You're wasting time arguing about why you cant do stuff, when you could be spending that time doing the stuff recommended.

>Move out of your parents home
Or
>Tell your mom to fuck of because you're learning stuff.
Or
>Go to a library and use a computer there
Or
>Get a job and buy your own computer
Or
>Check out books from a library
Or
>Print out pages a bit at a time after downloading
Or
>Spend a little time on the comp doing stuff instead of "All day"
Or
>Use your phone to store the books and look at them
Or
>Give up cause life is too hard
Or
>Pay money to have someone hold your hand and teach you every step
Or
>Set up still lifes in your home and start with those, when you get good at them you'll be able to do many more things

The list goes on and on and on

All these books i'm scimming through don't really scale well with mouse drawing. I have lots of free time to dedicate to drawing so I don't want to be a plebe/i/an, but I absolutely hate my intous pad and I must use the drawing programs for their cheapness and flexibility.

Is there no hope?

>>2603920
lol

>>2603980
Yeah this is solid advice. Id rather get a mentor. Self teaching hasn't been working for me and I really want this to be a career.

>>2603976
SantiChasca?
Nile?

>>2603988

draw with paper and pencil...?

>>2603994
But then I won't be able to do digital art unless I use my pad.

>>2603993
Neither you little bitch

>>2604000
>says the whinging little bitch
lol

>>2603999

then just don't do digital art while you're learning

>>2604007
Your dick is so far up Loomis you cant even spell right!

>>2604012
If I learn to sketch and post the basics here, will I be allowed to use mouse drawing? (Would it even be worth doing?

>>2604015
>amerifag detected, doesnt know the word "whinging"

>>2603882
I was the one who posted this. I'm sorry if I acted immature. I was taking out my frustration with my art and things with my mom (her not understanding that I want art classes).

I genuinely wanna get better. I just wanna work in cartoons/comics honestly.


It's just hard really because I have Figure Drawing for all its worth but Im not understanding it. And I cant try to get any other books off of here because I have to deal with my mom wondering Im on here all the time.

So yeah long story short, I wont come here for a while until Ive made some progress.

>>2604060
smell ya later fucko

>>2604060
Don't. Get an actual job and do art on the side. You'll be able to express yourself instead of being a wagecuck obeying orders when it comes to your art.

>>2604060
You should let inking and coloring rest until later. It's hard to give "tips" since the face you drew is completely fucked to begin with. Like take a look at the face you drew, you completely ignored the middle line so his face is totally misplaced. And that's barely the start of it

You need to start from the very basics and figure out how to draw the basic 3d shapes in perspective. Forget faces and stuff until later, trust me. Drawing anime dudes is fun but if you want to chase your dream seriously don't put the cart before the horse!

Also you must be 18 to post on 4chan.

>>2604088
I get what you mean. Imma just try that. Ill practice then. Could I post studies in these threads?

Also is Andrew Loomis as good as everyone is saying he is? Because like I said earlier I'm not getting the hype

>>2604095
Yes you can 100% post studies in this thread. If you don't like Loomis get Hampton or Villpu or anyone else really. Loomis is easy to get your hands on because he's dead and you aren't harming him by not buying his stuff. While he is a bit of a meme his stuff is generally easy to understand and it will work. If you are having trouble understanding Loomis you should probably start with something simpler.

>>2604095
Of course you can post studies here, this is the beginner thread

Loomis is good but some of his books are arguably intermediate level and some think that he expects a lot from the reader. He's got another book called Fun With A Pencil that's more aimed at noobs than Figure Drawing For All It's Worth.

What I think you need to focus hard on as a noob is LINE QUALITY and the basic 3d forms: Sphere, Pyramid, Cone, Cube. Drawing real life objects such as cardboard boxes, buildings, bottles, cans, balls and apples can be done if you feel like it. They resemble the basic shapes.

When you've done some work and actually come to understand the gist of these instructions, this video should make some sense:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uEtdDvK6Xo
This video isn't the beginning and the end, of course. There are tons of videos and books that go over this.

>>2604110
>3d forms: Sphere, Pyramid, Cone, Cube.
+ Cylinder

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The one from 2 months ago was done w/ the Loomis construction method, but I didn't really know how to apply it to copying from refs. The middle one was a first attempt, which I messed up quite a bit on. The last one was the final attempt, but I kinda chickened out on shading the face cause I wanted to just get it over with

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>>2604117
ref

>>2603507
i like your values a lot, can't answer the question though sorry

>>2604110
>>2604107
Thanks guys! I'll keep this in mind for sure!

>>2604117

good improvement senpai. that pic is always popping up on quickposes

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painting is hard

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I don't understand how the upper arm muscles work. Please help

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>>2604126
tell me about it

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>>2604128
Fucking resize your god damn pictures anon! 6Kx3K WHY?!

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Is this the type of stuff I should be practicing to get good at drawing people? Am I on pace?
I'm getting this from old man vilpuu.

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>>2604142
Why are these so erotic?

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>>2604142
>>2604157
Really need to work on your line quality anon... Draw in longer smoother motions. With your arm, not your wrist. Practice different speeds until you figure out which ones work.

pic from last beginner thread seems to apply here.

>>2604159
I'm not on a cintiq, my line quality doesn't matter. I'm not going to waste time drawing lines over and over like some kind of autist.

>>2604168
Use paper and pencil if your digitizer doesn't work properly, faggot.

>>2604142
You should be simplifying even more. Your figures are missing their abdomen, it looks like their ribcage ends and their pelvis is pressing right up against it. Draw box people first. Then abstract mannequin style. Then actual people.

>>2604168
>my line quality doesn't matter
Have fun not improving then.

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>>2603467
Mr. 3D here

>Blurred lines
>It actually looks 3D

I can't believe this. I guess my line work truly is the reason everything I do doesn't look 3D.

It sucks, but by the time I learn how to do good lines, I'll forget how to do 3D.

>>2604135
That doesn't help me cause I can't see where they connect. (I've actually memorized the muscles, it's just that I don't know how they should act, should the biceps bend like this etc.)

>>2604177
.... If you've memorized the muscles that means you know where they connect on the bones. Knowing their names doesn't do you any good.

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>>2604174

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>>2604174
>>2604181

>>2604180
But look at my picture. It doesn't look correct, although they should be in the correct place.

>>2603930

You start at page one and go to the end.

It's not fucking rocket science.

>>2604187

why don't look look at yourself in the mirror then

get naked anon

>>2604181
Dude it's minecraft.

>>2604189
Not that anon, but I'm pretty sure Loomis might not be for everyone.

Did you ever think of that

>>2604183
whats the point of this? totally lost the energy of the model

bad!

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Still reading through Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain.

Did this using negative spaces from reference.
Can someone tell me what I should start working on? I realise I need to work on everything but it's kinda overwhelming all at once.

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>>2604207
Here's the reference.

Right now I'm
>learning anatomy
>learning gestures
>drawing figure outlines, minor details
>trying to mannequinize other figure drawings

How should I proceed? I believe I'm slowly grasping all of the above, I'm not posting anything as I'll not be stopping practicing it, but at the moment I don't think I would be able to create a good drawing, what should I focus one next? Shading?

>>2604207
>>2604210
try drawing the ram from a different angle, thats how you know you understand the form and aren't just copying shapes

>>2604213
>learning gestures
meant to say learning gesture drawing

>>2604215
What's wrong with copying shapes?

If he can't even copy a picture correctly, how do you expect him to make a perfect prism and turn it around?

What are the absolute best books for learning the fundamentals from scratch, and how do I go about studying them?

How do I come up with a personal style?

>>2604221
>If he can't even copy a picture correctly, how do you expect him to make a perfect prism and turn it around?

Two different skills.

>>2604224
It's something that comes naturally.

>>2604224
Ask yourself the question "what kind of art do I want to make".

>>2604224
worrying about it this early will only be a crutch

>>2604222
"the sticky" by /ic/

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I know next to nothing about painting cities: what should my next step be? thanks /beg/

>>2604273
you need to use 3 point perspective.

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>>2602433
This was my Tonal Bars from yesterday and pic related is today. Have they improved at all? Any advice or tips anyone could give? I can't into shading for the life of me

>>2604276
good point, Ill use it the nest painting I do

>>2604128

simplify the limbs into push and pull mechanisms. This works for legs and arms.

>>2604225
I dont understand. You're saying I shouldn't bother to learn shapes?

>>2603927
youre a god in disguise
>>2603882
holy shit youre like a minime

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practice the booty

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>>2604366
>she will never fart in your face

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>>2604366
Let's take a closer look!

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fuck me sideways. painting from life is hard

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>>2603467
Im unsure if I am doing gestures correctly

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Before you start dissecting objects with your eyes, is it best to understand how a standard ellipse moves and grooves in 3D space? How it wraps around an object?

I've been drawing the top of coke cans for the past 2 hours, but my understanding has grown very fast.

I already see problems with my prior studies.

>>2604407
yes

>>2604401
Aside from the obvious problems like thinking too much about the contours and lack of overall feeling, drawing convincing gestures when you do not have a basic grip on anatomy is hard. There is a reason why people say to study both at the same time.

>>2604382
It gets easier.
Keep going.

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What do you guys think of Drawabox?

Pretty good resource before learning anything else?

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how can I fix this

>>2604423
It gives you a good guideline to follow for the basics. I took the actual Dynamic Sketching class and that helped me out a lot so a free version of that should help too as long as you actually do the homework and set realistic deadlines for yourself. Really all it comes down to is mileage.

>>2604423
>drawabox
>he cant even draw boxes

I can't take him seriously. Some of his tutorials are okay though.

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First serious attempt with a tablet. I didnt even know i was able to paint something like this because i dont have alot of knowledge about shadows n shit. Atleast i have something to wake up for now.

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>>2603467
Eyes are my weakness

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>>2604176
Just read this m8
jaimetreadwell.com/basic_sketching-for the industrial designer.pdf
It's really easy

>>2604509
learn to draw human eyes and noses first, it will help

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...One giant leap, for garbage-kind

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>>2604532
Reference pic.
Day 2

I'm looking for an artist that made a piece with a girl holding a lightning infused sword in some bizarre fantasy setting. The style was slightly cartoon. please halp.

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Gotta keep grinding those fundamentals.

>>2604539
Be more wary of your proportions. Keep at it.

>>2604509
That fucking tumblr nose is your weakness m8

someone halp fast. photoshit is doing this weird thing were the keystroke + swipe left/right doesnt zoom in/out. it just zooms out and does this weird box. i went into properties and there doesnt seem to be anything that can fix this. how do i get my ALT + swipe zoom back?

>>2604552
used to have this issue pop up now and again. can't recall if / how i fixed it (it doesn't happen anymore), but it had to do with using gpu acceleration. go to preferences > performance and make sure "use graphics processor" is checked. perhaps uncheck, apply, then re-enable it again. you might also need to restart photoshit after doing all that

>>2604407
Damn that really is some serious improvement for 2 hours, good job anon.

>>2604439
top heads not in perspective and the hands are wonky bottom abdominal regions perspective is wrong arms are uneven in size for perspective do some line work before moving to coloring.

>>2604589
you've saved a 3 hour paint session from,being ruined. thank you anon

>>2604117
nice job anon
your ear has gotten worse though

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well the thread said to post even the smallest exercise so here, have my shit covered bump.

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I drew three images from /fa/'s thinspo thread
Be gentle senpai
1/3

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>>2604683
2/3

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>>2604685
3/3

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currently studying perspective, top down views and shortenings and such.. see anything wrong with it ? i've been looking at it and repairing it for long time now.. need new eyes

>>2604683
>>2604685
my neck hurts

>beginners will never learn to rotate and resize their fucking images
>beginners will never actually read the OP

>>2604702
>>2604707
i'm sorry ;-(

>>2604690
The bounding box for the fairy seems like it grows more narrow towards the top, which is the opposite of what you want.
Top tip: when you draw a rectangle,if you draw two straight line connecting the opposite corners, the place they meet is the center even in perspective.
Try using a more precise brush when you're constructing things. A thin one with no pressure sensitivity will let you actually see where you're putting your lines.

>>2604716
ah i see it. i should widen the top of the pixie. thanks

>>2604683
>>2604685
>>2604687
can i still get any critique on this? at least from phone users who can tilt it

>>2604687
Go learn anatomy. It looks like his torso was cut off at the hips and sewed back on at the wrong angle.

>>2604537
Need details. What colour was her hair, what was she wearing, what was in the background.

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>>2604650
Round things have gradients, it takes a certain distance to go from shadow to light. Instead of just a line like you've drawn here.

>>2604752
thanks

>>2604382
See, that's already at a level that'll look pretty sweet to a layman. "I couldn't do that", they'll say (whether they're right or not). Keep at it, man!

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Did the tinted glass project from KtD.

Redline faggot is Maylasia

>>2604864
But who was phone?

>>2604534
what camera is this this is impressive.

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>>2604819
I'm no pro, but I've done enough of these studies to see how you're screwing up.

Your ellipses don't twist in 3D space.
They abruptly cut-off. It's a symbol. If you look more closely at the edges of the paper/wrapper you'll see that it wraps around the object like a circle. You've drawn a semi circle when you should be drawing a full one.

You need to be deconstructing objects into basic cylinders.

I think you might need to spend more time looking at what you're drawing. You should be looking more at the object than your paper.

>>2604979
Thanks for your advice! As the exercise was supposed to be about enrichment shapes I was mostly focused on the glass part so I guess I overlooked the rest. I'll definitely think about it next time I draw a cylindrical object.

>>2604819
Also, you should spend some time drawing ellipses on objects at various heights from life before you de-construct objects. It'll stop you from wasting a lot of time.

Don't forget to see through the form on top of this.

Fuck all of you for being better than me.

>>2605158
It doesn't take much to become good; you just have to start practicing.

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first time pixel spriting. where do i go from here? is this worth pursuing?

>>2605170
If you're interested, anything is worth pursuing.

Don't give up. Always forge forward. I'm out here in -23 degree weather fishing for crabs. Never give up.

>>2605158
use it as motivation

>>2605170
cute

When doing B&W studies of pictures/paintings can I desaturate the image I'm copying or is important to learn how to see the right value in color?

>>2605421

Yes it's fine, you don't want to dive into colour theory until you've got value figured out.

>>2605421
B&W?

>>2605475
black and white lol

So I don't need to worry about translating color into the right values? Reason I'm worried is because doing a value study of something that has colors is super difficult for me rn.

>>2605511 reply to >>2605472

>>2605583
Is this intended to be a gesture?

>>2604519
>Decide I want to do a fast drawing of the human body
>Don't know how to make 3D forms without having to set up perspective
>Go incredibly slow

No thank you.
I'd rather do something hard and have a good grasp of 3D thought than do what you're telling me to.

>>2605583
no line confidence

>>2605641
Agreed, learn to do smooth single lines rather than series of hairy lines.

>>2605641
>>2605642
focused on seeing shapes, ill work on trivial things later

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>>2604407
Welp,
Continuing to get better at this.
I can't wait to see where I'll be in another week of drawing these things.

>>2605648
>Being able to concisely draw what you see in one stroke
>Trivial

>>2605648
>the main feature making your entire drawing shit
>trivial

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>>2605648
never gonna make it

here's your (You)

>>2605648
The sooner you completely stop with the scratchy lines the better, doesn't matter how bad you are. You'll also enjoy drawing a lot more as your stroke confidence grows, which won't happen if you don't make the effort.

>>2605648
I'll have to agree with the others. Your drawing would literally look twice as good if you didn't do those shitty hairy lines.

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i limited myself to have 1 hour to work on this. would love some advice

Learning how the underarm should look at different levels of pronation/supination is hard...

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Why is it easier to draw gestures on digital than it is traditional?

>>2605686
This would look really good if the entire glass was more symmetrical. You exaggerated the slight tilt in the bottom too much (the bottom right is too tilted, same with the bottom left). The top of the whole thing should also be a flatter line. Indentations in the glass should be straighter lines and not as curved.

>>2605717
Because the majority of you fuckers draw a line, press ctrl Z and repeat until it's perfect.

>>2605717
Ez line weight with brush settings?

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>>2605726
I pride myself in not using ctrl+z too much (only in this area..) and it shows. Also the time limit makes you consolidate things.

>>2605729
Pencil tool is easier for me to use than a brush tho. Is it important to incorporate lineweight in a gesture??

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Some practice from today. Tried doing some proko heads and some other stuff.

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Does this looks appealing to the eye in any way? Obviously the proportions are fucked, but that's sorta the point.

Don't worry, I'm doing actual fundamental practice as well, this is just little cartoon.

>>2605795
Not in the slightest.
I could see the legs/pants working, but literally everything else is fucking terrible.

>>2605795
Work on anatomy, your simplication will become more appealing

>>2605796
Thanks for the feedback.

I know my faces are ugly as sin, but when I just let let loose and draw that's what comes out. Like a fat shit. The long arms were more or less just fucking around cause I thought it'd look funny.

I'll work on it, but the character was sorta supposed to be a self-deprecating self-portrait , so no surprise it's ugly. Not trying to make excuses though, so don't take it like that.

>>2605800
Alright, thanks. What do you mean by simplification though exactly? I realize that if you can do something precisely and detailed well, you can also do it simplified well, but do you mean my current form is too detailed for the cartoon?

i struggle with master studies. the forms i get down no problem, but as soon as i get past a 2 value block in everything goes to shit.

is it just more grinding or am i missing some fundamentals?

>>2605804
>What do you mean by simplification though exactly? [...]
Removing details without destroying the whole, I guess?

It's just that I immediately get the impression that the anatomy is wrong or simplified in a bad way. It hardly looks like a simplified human but more like some nightmarish simian. The lines indicating collarbones and biceps look like an afterthought, the connection between torso and arms is thin and weird, he doesn't have latissimus dorsi, his crotch is super wide etc

In case you haven't actually studied the anatomy of the whole human body, you should, and then try drawing him again. It'll probably look lots better

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>>2605821
Oh alright, I get what you're saying now! Thanks again duder, I'll work on it.

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study that i did in super record time

Hey guys. I'm new to all this and had a couple questions that I'm sure you've answered a few times now.

I'd like to just jump right in, so I went to the sticky website and got a copy of the book "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain". In it they have a materials list

How important is that materials list? Will I continue to improve without them? I have pens and mechanical pencils and regular printer paper. Is that enough?

I also have a tablet, but I've been lead to believe that learning to draw traditionally is better than learning to draw digitally. Is that true?

According to the book and the closest examples to my level of work, I'm currently drawing at a 7-year old's level of drawing.

>>2605884
Also I should note that I do plan on getting the materials, I just want to get going as soon as possible

>>2605884
At this stage, no, materials arent important besides using something that youre comfortable with. Printer paper + pencil is fine.

Drawing traditionally before drawing digitally generally helps you in the long run by making it harder to develop bad habits like using ctrl + z over and over until you get the line you want.

Have fun, anon.

>>2605752
keep at it
I'll help you on your next set. Just try to get more singular lines when building the body and building out of cylinders.

>>2605686
which one is the real once cant tell the picture so shitty

>>2604997
>drawing ellipses on objects at various heights from life before you de-construct objects
Which book/guide do you recommend for doing this?

Jesus Christ

Lifting weights is less work than trying to learn how to art

>>2605997
Stop being a pussy and do your fucking art reps.

>>2604206
>whats the point of this
To understand how to simplify forms.
>totally lost the energy of the model
Please show us the way anon, how do we do this and maintain the energy of the model? Drawing would be preferred but any sharing of such wisdom in text or any form would be greatly appreciated.

>>2605855
Revisit the hand anon. Its the only glaring issue that looks worth fixing. Nice job, keep working.

>>2605977
>which one is the real once cant tell the picture so shitty
paint moar fagget

>>2606056
i noticed it was too small right when i posted, and im sure theres a few drawing issues as well. ill fix it up later

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i feel like my creature designs are too unoriginal, like they already exist somewhere. can anyone confirm? also, critiques?

1/2

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>>2606097
2/2

>>2605997
CMON 8 MORE PAGES OF LOOMIS HEADS

LEAVE DEVIANTART BEHIND

CMON DON'T YOU WANT TO MAKE IT

>>2606153
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxGRhd_iWuE

If gesture isn't looking perfect right away, should I just continue practicing until I get it and then refine it, or should I study it again? As in, does this certain fundamental work once you understand it, or do you start to understand it as you practice it?

>>2606097
This look like four whale heads stuck to a snake, so that's why it might seem unoriginal, as it's like you just cut and pasted something from real life.
>>2606106
too small to see what exactly is going on
armor doesn't work like that, otherwise this seems like an OK concept

>>2606278
the armors just a start. im trying to work out armor coverage vs have thefeathers show. and for the snake whale its supposed to look light and the white parts are almost 'paper thin' though i didnt do,a good job at it. thanks for the input

>>2604126
i think it's pretty good, did you use a ref?

Is it shameful that I've been drawing my whole life and I'm still a fucking beginner? should I just give up? im 24 btw

>>2606334
It's not shameful, it just means you haven't buckled down yet.

You have the advantage of experience, now you need to apply that to fundamental exercises and practice. Draw with a purpose! You can do it!

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I hate my life. How do you deal with losing motivation for finishing drawings midway? I always start up new shit and never finish anything.

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So I've never actually been to this board but i'm guessing this is a good place to start.

Ok, I want to learn how to draw because I have many ideas in my head that I want to put on paper in order to further develop and formulate them. I feel that drawing is kinda like a language and I want to be able to use that language in any way possible. My problem is that these drawings I do come out so bad and never fully illustrate what I want them to and confuse others when I show them.

I know you must practice doing it more but I want to know about all the most intuitive tools that exist for beginners who've maybe drawn only one real picture in grade school. I want to know about many tools because I am a bit slower than most people and would like to find the best option for me to learn.

>pic related
I am very inspired by product design.

>>2606403
Try reading the sticky first.

>>2606365
Just don't finish it it's not a big deal

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Went over my lines with a thicker, darker pencil so it would show better and i think I've ruined it

>>2606518
So fix it.

>>2606403
Scott Robertson

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2 minutes each

>>2606518
All the lines have the same weight making it harder to tell which are closer to the viewer.

So I was practicing a lot of gestures, basic anatomy (7 and 1/2 heads for body, etc), robo bean, and all that stuff. I'm nowhere near acceptable, but I feel like I need, for the change of pace and to advance to try to go for more detailed stuff, for example faces.

How should I aproach it? As all I know is outlines and basic shapes to construct the body from.
Should I first try to copy photos, or should I go study the head structure and then the structure of each individual part of the face from the materials often reposted? Or should I continue with something completely different? I have a minor grasp on how hand and feet structure work and I can draw that with a good amount of detail compared to my standart.

Also at the moment the only tool at my disposal is a 0,7mm black liner and even though I don't think it matters that much, can that hold me back? Can I practice everything with it, or is it a no-no for certain things? Thanks!

>>2606358
:'^)

>>2604224
Experiment with different media. See what kind of stroke works best for you

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Hellou and grettings.
Im actually studying on my own the head and the facial features from an Andrew looomis book, and its very helpulf, but what he doesn’t mention is the location of the eye ball, im having hard times locating the position of the eyes in the face (the base of the circles), and i was copy tracing photos to understand more WHERE to draw the circle of the eyeball but im deseperated, because i dont like the results.

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about ~2 hours into this study. any glaring issues before i start blocking in values?

I have shitty co-ordination should i just give up at this point

>>2604278
You need to focus more on how much pressure you're applying to the pencil. You have real trouble going from mid grey to white.

>>2606097
Instead of trying to create an abstract creature think of the environment it's in. So for example a bird. How long are it's wings compared to the length of it's body, what does it need to fly, why does it have a beak etc. Then you can start to exaggerate and manipulate these forms instead of creating Dr Frankenstein's monster by sewing parts together.

>>2606891
The most glaring error is taking two hours on a gesture drawing.

>>2606518
I'm not sure how to explain this or even if it's right but here goes. You're trying to outline things that shouldn't be outlined. So for example his eyebrows, you drew smooth lines around his entire eyebrow. But in the reference it shows his individual hairs and a difference in texture (smooth skin compared to coarse hair).
Also you put a line under his eye instead of shading, and the same on his neck under the jaw. Basically you turned him into a cartoon.

>>2606969
Gesture drawings don't have that level of detail. I think this is just the construction before he goes over the lines again for the final form. Looks good OP.

>>2606969
lol

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>>2603467

adam hughes study

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>>2607003

random freestyle color sketches

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>>2607011

freestyle line sketches

>>2607003
>>2607011
>>2607012

ignore dates and tittles, all more recent than that

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question, why cant i draw over darker lines? like, i make a dark line and when i use a lighter brush i cant draw over it. this dint happen before..

How long does it usually take you all to try to draw from these references? It's been about an hour for me and I'm beginning to get really discouraged. I've gotten nowhere.

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>>2607046
welcome to the club. but really just give yourself an hour. your skills arent there so just do one hour every day on top of studies later on you will achieve more progress in an hours then you did before...but you knew that..we all knew that.

>>2607052
Thanks, I guess I'm just worried that I'm especially retarded.

>>2607067
you are facing the biggest challenge you will ever face, yourself.

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>>2607045
Right there
brush mode should be on 'normal'

>>2607086
OH SHIT!!!!!!! I DINT EVEN KNOW THERE WAS AN OPTION BAR ON THE TOP TAHNKS!

Can anyone give me advice or redirect me to any references to help me learn good techniques for depth/lighting? It's one of the biggest things I want to improve atm since a lot of my drawings end up flat or awkward.

Should I just keep don't still life studies?

>>2607094
istebrak on youtube and crtl paint

>>2607046
Taking several hours to complete a drawing is normal.

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Is 15 a good number of thumbnails to present to a client? should I do more? or is it too much? could it be that the client won't like a single one?

Sorry, but it's literally my first time, and I somehow hit something (relatively) big so I better not fuck up. I don't think performing well when I lose my virginity will worry me as much as performing well right now.

>>2607116
In general terms what are you trying to present? 15 sounds way too much.

>>2607130
I have a vague instruction of what the person wants (vague as in "I thought it could be something like, maybe...", just a certain mood and situation for the characters to interact in a non-specified way, only specific things are the designs). I'm presentig the options, the diffferent compositions for the piece that's also involving different situations.

>>2607149
Your client sounds like he has trouble making a decision or getting his point across. In these cases you don't want to overwhelm him so just go with 7.

Also look up 'close ended questions' and 'open ended questions'. Learn when to ask close ended questions to get specific information.

>>2607169
Wew, now I have to decide on which half of them to show him. Alright.

>>2606969
this is a master study, anon.
>>2606994
thank you!

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>>2607190
>>2607190
>>2607190

>>2607190
>>2607190
>>2607190

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>>2603478
I hope this is small enough. I can't resize things very well on my phone.

>>2605795
The legs are kind of appealing. I can't really explain why though.

>>2604532
Keep it up.

>>2604374
That's shopped...right?

>>2604278
You didn't take the advice from yesterday, clean it up and take your time.

>>2605666
trips of peace and prosperity