/beg/ - BEGINNER THREAD

>>2547994
where is my study tho

>>2548020
I guess it just didn't make it, much like yourself.

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>>2548025
holy kek

>>2548020
i made the op before the other thread was dead

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>>2547997

>>2548076
did you just forget about ears

>>2548091
yes

>>2547994
cool, can I get this picture without the text?

>>2548103
From photoshop i save it directly as a png. only have flattened image :^( next thread

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dont know how i feel about this anymore

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This one was really hard to get right. I had to redraw it so many times.

>>2548119
looking ok. his right shoulder should be more extended, not as round. and his left shin should slide inward from his knee not bulging out. oh and on his right calf, the muscle is too far down the leg

>>2548116
is she not supposed to have eyes?

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>>2547994
seeing my drawings on screen always makes me realize how shit they are

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>>2548131
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>>2548131
>shit
>looks great to me
Fuck, either you have a really good eye or I have a terrible eye.

>>2548133
haha thanks. i think its bad because it doesn't look like the reference photo

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>>2548127
Supposed to be missing a nose and ears too.

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>>2548124
Thanks. I'll try to fix those now.

In the meantime, I was in the middle of drawing this one and correcting the arms. I hate drawing arms.

Anyone got any advice when it comes to drawing cylindrical/spherical forms easier? Perspective wise I am getting the hang of cubes but I struggle massively with anything that has a curve to it.

>>2548142

Just draw a bunch of circle and ovals

I deeply apologize if this was in the sticky and I missed it but I don't think so.
My job forces me to stay in the middle of nowhere in the pacific ocean this summer with a lot of time for myself.
Sadly it also means that resupplies are very rare and getting enough paper to draw 5 hours a day for 6 months might be a problem at times.
Is it possible to start efficiently with a tablet?
Thanks in advance!

>>2548236
stop by hawaii and we can have thje first ever /beg/ meetup

>>2548237
Sadly it won't be much fun, I'll be stuck with other boring people on an almost desert island near New Caledonia.

>>2548236
The tablets work well enough.
If you've got a decent laptop you can just buy an Intuous pen tablet. (you'll need a pretty good computer for it to work flawlessly, so a shitty laptop wouldn't be good)

Not sure how tactile the touch tablet PC sort of variants go. Check out the Cintiq companion 2, sounds alright.

The sticky rule about tablets is fucking retarded, /g/ doesn't want to talk about that.

>>2548247
Thanks, I appreciate the help.

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got lazy with the hair

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Any crit before I go into more detail?

>>2548337
get a real background and turn off grid transparentcy

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Figure studies, crit?

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Can I get some criticism on this? Colour, framing, etc...

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blegh
its a doodle

>>2548352
THICK

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>>2548000
I may have gotten carried away.

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Anon with the broken hand here. Pardon the chicken scratching.

>>2548352
How long were those? It looks like you're focusing on contours and detail before getting the gesture down, and in the process ending up with wonky proportions and stiff poses. You should be using landmarks to establish relations between forms and make the pose more accurate, not just for the sake of adding detail.
The sketchy line quality makes the more complex poses like the top right hard to read. Work on paper if you're having trouble putting more confident lines down digitally, practice gestures trying to make as few and as simple lines as possible, and then build on top of that as needed.

>>2548145
move up a thread

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/beg/ i have a question

Loomis - Figure Drawing for all its worth

Talking about the "cape" shown in red, how is it comfortable "laid over" the thorax shown in blue? I'm having issues putting the mannequin together and that bit never seems to go quite right. Is there some good way of thinking about it, or just a matter of yet more practice until it starts looking right first time? I've been learning the more detailed mannequin for a couple of days and while the rest of it progresses fine, this one part hasn't been clicking.

>>2548441
Fix all your fundamental face structures before you even think about colour and lighting. Forehead is too big, eyes are symbol drawn, mouth and ears are malformed, shoulders sloping away too steeply, facial features aren't fading away properly given his head turn.

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>>2548478

It will probably help you to gain some more anatomy knowledge. Part of the reason why this is a slightly flawed simplification is that it masses the lats and the shoulder girdle and scapula into a single entity. Whereas, if you look at the lats in isolation you can see that curve nicely round the edges of the thorax and attach at the arms (and they are the main form from which the hood shape is derived).

Essentially, you'll help yourself by studying in detail the actual the parts that Loomis is trying to simplify for you. Just copying his solutions has its limitations. it's certainly a viable strategy to learn to map out of the figure initially, but you'll be well served to enrich your understanding by going back and forward between how you simplify and a intimate study of the composite parts that make up the figure. (and by extension how much real life you can get into those simplifications).

Personally I prefer to think of the upper shoulder and scapula as one object and the lower abdomen and lats as the hood starting lower.

"All things are implicated in one another and in sympathy with each other. This event is the consequence of some other one. Things push and pull on each other, and breathe together, and are one."

>>2548503
Hmm, I see what you're saying, makes a lot of sense. I only started learning a few days ago, and the philosophy I've taken during the approach is to get /pretty/ good at each step before going further - so I start with gesture until that becomes natural and not stiff, then move on to the more detailed skeltal, where I am now, and I don't plan to move on until I can comfortably draw such a skeltal in most natural poses from different angles before moving on to perspective, and anatomy later.
Although you're probably right, part of the slowness in this step is trying to reason with a simplification. I'll give your approach a go and see how it works out, thanks!

>>2548391
dutchfag?

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Drew this yesterday somehow i have huge problems with implementing edges into my drawing and i dont know why

how can i draw realistic face with imagination?
now i can draw decent(may be not) portrait with reference

but if i try to draw with imagination it's looks like weird crap just draw more portrait until i can draw ?

>>2548536
Just try to imagine the basics of a face and the proportions and perspective since this is always your starting point for drawing a face then define the features as you like and voila

>>2548444
saw you in the other thread, that's fine for a broken hand.

>>2548236
Get 3 reams of printer paper and a box of pencils

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>>2547994
Instead of doing of collage including my work give some critique pls

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Crit please?

>>2548596
The eyes are a bit wonky, and there's too much space between the nose and mouth

>>2548640
For the eyes i knew they were not right but I tried to fix and didn't succeed, didn't thought of nose-mouth distance thanks

>>2548138
>I hate drawing arms.
I think you just earned yourself 10 hours of drawing nothing but arms, congratulations! How do you feel, you lucky bastard?

>>2548645
Did you use construction lines?

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How am i doing so far?

>>2548636
qt. keep going

>>2548636
>Day 3
Have you really been doing that for 3 days?

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>>2548000
fuck those fucking eyes. i know I screwed up plenty. crit please.

>>2548697
needs more old men

>>2548763
They're being symbol drawn.

What might help is drawing the eyeball in it's socket and constructing the form of the eyelids etc. around it. That way it'll start to look proportionate.

>>2548729
It's for a 14 day challenge where you draw a face every day, using the previous day's critiques to improve

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Foken' lights and shades, man. I always fuck up and make too little contrast.

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>>2548697
>I'm glad its over
>feels good

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>>2548763
Hopefully this helps you a bit.

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>>2547997
Just a silly sketch. Trying to git better at character and expression

>>2548789
skulls is an odd shape, won't mention the other stuff as its expression like you say

her brow looks a tad stiff, like she's frowning, but no frown lines. lower jaw is a bit too accented, other than that it's nice

>>2548788
is it just me or does it look better this way

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>>2548798
Thank you. What about this smug duderino?
>>2548000

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on a scale from not even that much to that "I Have Drawn You" harry potter pic, how much did I fuck up?

>>2548882

That's really nice, it's clear you've been drawing for a while.

>>2548138
It looks like what you actually hate is drawing hands, particularly how the wrist connects to the forearm.

>>2548882
Ear looks off. Too low and maybe it should be a bit bigger?

>>2548882

I love her face.

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i think i learned a good bit from the pic of the previous thread . though the i could not get the hair right, oh well. helped my original a lot.

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How do I avoid fucking up finer details with large brush strokes?
Layers?
Do macro work first?

This is my first drawing in well over 12 years and my first digital one too. Im doing it all wrong I can tell.

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>>Beginner thread

>>some people here are better than people I know IRL that frequented art schools (non-american ones, too)

Meanwhile I struggle to draw my hand.

>>2549059
Be careful not to make noses too long.

>>2549142
u also seem to struggle with resizing

>>2549142
""""""""art""""""" schools*

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Give me some crit. I have been drawing for 7 months and have been severely disappointed with my progress

>>2549150
Yes, art schools.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brera_Academy

>>2548763
The jaw is messed up as well. look at how much lower the nose is to the ear. as well as the lips are too small. im at fault for not measuring as well but, we've got to slow down and look. learn from what you're doing. good luck

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>>2549157
I typed out an entire paragraph before realizing this was bait.

Draw more circles.

>>2549161
u in milan too bro

>>2549170
No I am Honestly this shit at art. I'm not even messing with you

>>2549195
Honestly actually draw something. Stop posting construction lines and follow through with a drawing, start with one of the pics up top

is it true that if you put enough time into one piece it will come out exactly as you want it

>>2549215
Alright sounds good, thank you very much

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>>2547997
why is it that everyone i draw either looks dead or has some form of retardation , sorry about size, from phone

>>2549224
because you need to study the anatomy

>>2548236
>>2548264
Once you break yourself in on digital, it's no harder to progress with than traditional.

I've seen this spouted by individuals of varying skill levels, and it's held true for me, as well.

can we get some better refs next thread? get some movie/tv stills with some actual value information

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how's this? I drew from life at my local mall

>>2549253
I can tell what it all is so that's a good start. A bit messy though, maybe take an eraser with you next time. Then add more details.

>>2549253
perspective made easy by ernest norling

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i was going to post in the sketchbook thread, but I was too embarrassed.

Haven't gone to figure drawing class since November. I've regressed significantly... I'm by far the worst person in class. I guess I'll be back next week!

>>2548882
Compared to source, eyes are slightly oversized, eyebrows are too high, brow is too pronounced and hair is dramatically oversized. Not sure if this caricaturization was intentional or not.

About 50% of the facial linework is somewhat off. Ear's too short and too wide. General shape of the nose is right, if you don't zoom in, minus the ala, which is quite off. Where the upper end of the nasal bridge curve turns (viewer's) left isn't turning hard enough. Far sides of the upper lip are too thin.

Neck's a little too thick and the line connecting the (her) right side of the neck to the head is curved in the opposite direction. Coat's a fair bit off, but that's not really the focus here.

Overall, for a quick study without bothering with minor detail, it's decent. The anime-esque caricaturization is the biggest inaccuracy by those standards, which you shouldn't be applying when trying to copy the likeness of a real face.

I just aligned your study over the source and played with transparency to write this, which you should do yourself, if you aren't. It's the harshest and most objective study critique you can get.

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>>2549257
Is perspective an easy thing to learn

>>2549282
no.

>>2549282
yes

>>2549282
I was mainly joking around at the fact it looked like you were just starting when I said "I can tell what it all is".

If you're using this time to practice drawing an area from a perspective then you've done okay. It's just painfully obvious that this was done in a rush because it needs tidying up/your shading is noticeably rushed.

It makes a lot more sense if you're practicing getting a grip on perspective and the placement of objects relative to their surroundings. I'd personally focus on drawing objects and getting a feel for how the light falls on them before doing this if you haven't already. It's hard to tell how good you are from this one sketch.

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Have been sketching this for like an hour after i got home from work. I don't draw at all, it's just been something I've been mildly interested in. Some feedback would be cool, good or bad, I don't care too much.

>>2549315
I'm gonna give you a serious reply but warning that some people on this board don't like anime-esque drawings.

The hair looks stuck to the head. I also got into drawing through anime (then onto more realism and stuff) so I also had this issue when I started. To circumvent this you need to:

1) Recognise that those bits of hair "spikes" for the fringe don't stop when they connect to the next, they go all the way back to your hairline, you don't need to draw that but you do need to indicate it.

2) Use shading to show distance.

Body outline needs to be a bit clearer and you should look at some sillhoettes or just pictures of people to get an idea of body types. This shouldn't be that difficult since you have a basic grasp anyway.

The lines in the hair sometimes aren't indicative of anything. The one right in the center above the fringe looks kind of unnecessary. Related to this, the folds in clothes are a bit too much and need to have shading showing shadows made by the folds.

Her collarbone is too strong and should go upwards towards the neck gradually way before it gets to those straps. It's also a bit low. Think about your own collarbone. It connects to your shoulders, it doesn't go straight across your chest. This can be fixed by erasing the edges and just drawing the line going up before it reaches the shoulders.

Piece of the left (my perspective) palm is missing. Right hand is not as good as left hand but you're surprisingly good at hands for a beginner.

Right arm has no indication of where the forearm starts beside a slight bump which I assume is the elbow. This requires shading or some other indication. The wrist is also kind of weird.

The folds above her armpits are hanging too low which is very masculine. These should be less bold and higher up.

Shoulders too large.

Too much indication for knees.

Hair should be darker near the body since you have indications that it's curving inwards which would cause a shadow.

>>2549321

The area of her vagina is kinda uneven. You should further shade in the right side to fix this, but also slightly erase it since I think the area below is way too dark.

Her eyes indicate she's looking straight forward but she has only one ear even though the hair on the left side doesn't appear to be covering an ear.

Other than this you're doing fine for a beginner, great job on the face and upper body.

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>>2547997
Best hair I've drawn thus far. [spoiler]and it still sucks[/spoiler]

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First time silhouette. Mainly, looking for rendering tips, perspective seems off, and anything else you can throw my way.

>>2548763
looks like you screwed up the basic shape of the face anon, maybe try again from scratch focusing more on the basic shaped first. you also seem to be slightly symbol drawinging the features but I can seethereis effo being made to capture their likeness.

when drawing the eyes you dont need to outline them perfectly, for example the upper eyelids that in the photo reference look darker then the lower eyelids, he also ha thin bags underhis eyes which you have overlooked and instead drawn a thick black outline around the whole area.

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>>2547997
Got frustrated when drawing the right eye cause I couldn't getting to look the way I wanted so I left it the way it is.

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>>2547997
~1 hour. i fucked up, made the face more straight than skewed like in the photo so the features got a little fucked up. and i couldn't capture the casual attractiveness and fuckability of Audrey Hepburn.

Practicing drawing eyes

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>>2549414
pic didnt show up for some reason

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>>2547997
anotha one

>>2549392

You got the head shape pretty accurate, and then you drew all the features too fucking big to the point of making her look like microcephaly lady 2016

>>2549424

I like the rendering, but man, you gotta work on your construction, loomis it up

How much practice before your hand starts drawing the lines you want it to draw?

t. just started

>>2549439
>looms maymay

> ▲
>▲ ▲

>>2549444
depends on much effort you put into it

and taking into consideration you had to ask the question? probably a while

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>>2547997
new to /ic/.

>>2549315
I'm one of those guys that doesn't like animu.

Spend your spare hour drawing reality, not cartoons.

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>>2548000
>>2549513
I'm noticing that I have a problem with the faces being too short.

>>2549520
I'd actually recommend drawing anime for beginners. I'd say it goes like this:

Anime drawing > draw a ball and turn it into a sphere with shading > practice perspective > draw something real, with an anatomy book or something for reference.

It's a lot easier to draw a 2D character than it is to draw a 3D person. I think many would give up if they don't get that easy start.

>>2549529
If you're having that much trouble watch this and try it a few times first, should help you out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RmHOvmPJjE

The Loomis method can also work here, you just have to account for the face shape when following the instructions. If you use this a few times eventually you'll get a feel for the shape of faces from memory.

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>>2549532
Whatever it takes to get someone interested in art, even if it means weebshit.

He'll feel a lot better when he drops it later.

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>>2547997
fuck fuck fuck

I know that i have fucked up ear and eyes mostly

>>2549529
>>2549513
Hey, mind if I ask you for how long you've been drawing and what kind of tablet you're using?

>>2548657
yes, from what I learned from proko's head how-to (loomis basically)

>>2549546
I've drawn all of my life but have only been practicing regularly from reference for 8 to 11 months now.
Wa complete bamboo capture or connect in firealpaca.

>>2549555
Wacom capture or connect. Fucking auto correct.

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point out the mistakes please.

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>Can replicate well for a beginner
>No imagination
I might aswell fucking trace

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>>2547997
I tried

>>2549559
isnt drawing well from imagination kinda end game?

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>>2547997
Couldn't resist Audrey waifu

>>2549573
no, hyper realism is the endgame sempai

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>>2549582
Rip too big. Tried to resize hopefully it's smaller

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anythibg noticeably wrong with this? any tips? particularly with the lips

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>>2549595
sorry wrong rotation

>>2549597
fuck

>>2549583
hyper realism is just a lot of time grind, well I haven't found an efficient way to do it other than zoom in and in until it's really detailed

>>2549439
Yeah I tend to make the features too big, gotta work on that. Thanks for the crit m8

>>2549595
>>2549597
>>2549603
Resize it while you're at it. Assuming you're on windows, ms paint has a resize feature

>>2548000
Been trying my had at this dude, but he's just so hard to draw. I'm going to try later on. Gotta get a nap first.

>>2549176
2 hrs by train from it, I just go there semi-frequently due to my buddies.

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>>2549699
here, fixed. i was on mobile before

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So i got a cheap Wacom tablet and tried the negative space exercise in Betty Edwards book. Do rookies usually have trouble drawing straight lines on a tablet or am i just really shit?

>>2549708
kek, i'm in Milan. Probably moving to Florence for the academy tho

>>2549729
Give it some practise, it takes some getting use to.

Make sure you have the tablet set up properly too. Check force proportions in the wacom software.

>>2549729
It's hard at first. I've read somewhere that the easiest way to practice is to use the tablet for everything. That way you'll get used to it pretty quickly.

I bought one too, and it took a while to draw the first straight line.

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some figure studying tonight

>>2549567
honestly, good caricature.

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>>2548000

>>2549747
>>2549567
I was going to say. I can clearly tell form in that, it just looks exaggerated. It's a cool drawing.

>>2549584

What a qt

>want to draw
>lurk /ic/ constantly, subscribe to many channels on youtube on drawing and read books on drawing
>never get round to actually doing it
I'm never gonna make it am I /beg/

>>2549785
Just start it.Open the book and start drawing.
I was like you but one day decided it's enough with the procrastination.I sat down and started drawing.

>>2549747
>>2549765

Thanks guys, I had some errors in measuring and it just got out of hand and eventually turned into that, I guess I should just spend more time on the sketch before moving on. Only problem is I'm impatient as all hell

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trying some perspective

>>2549817

dont quote me on this one, but I don't think you are supposed to put vps that close together, maybe someone can throw some light in here, I still haven't read that nosling book everyone in here seems to enjoy so much

>>2549817
pretty bad, especially the flying man and the bottom left ones

>>2549834
There are infinite vanishing points, so you can perfectly put them as close as you want/need.

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>>2547997


don't feel like working on this any more. rendering is such a bore

>>2549166
thanks, i see those things you mentioned. i agree that i need to slow down. lets do this again! until we get it right

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>>2547997
the eyes are off, but i did my best

critique pls

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Could someone crit me?

>>2549933
You drew the head more flat than round and that is why the ear is so far away

The ear itself is also drawn flat and not with proper perspective

>>2549950
Thank you. I see now that the ear is really far from the eye.

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this is driving me insane. that dang eye. I've tried so many times it just doesn't look right. someone finish it for me

>>2549989
crit please. i think i got the eyes for the most part but I could be totally wrong

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>>2550012
forgot pic

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>>2550013
separated the eyes a bit they looked too close

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can someone explain this in simpler terms pls?
how to draw page 95.

>>2549785
Not if you don't draw. Listen to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3Al7QAS89s

>>2548445
What exactly are the landmarks? Not him but I'm curious

>>2548132
Keep working and improve, you have a nice shading technique. It's good that you don't smudge the pencil

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>>2550049

>>2548145
Too patchy

>>2549925
youre missing the tilt of the head. pay close attention to the distance between her nose and her lips. Her top lip is too big. pay attention to how her Philtrum forms her lips. and don't half ass the eyes, its main part of the picture. good luck

>>2550020
chill with the chicken scratch lines and slow down a tad.... look at the distance between her nose and the right cheek ( its making her look fatter then she is). her jaw is messed up ( its too small) and all the corners are way to sharp. look at how round her chin is the picture. lastly her face is just overall too small. look at the distance from her eyes to her ears. these are really easy to fix but could've been avoided if you would just slow down. no point in doing this, if your not learning anything.

I do not know if this is also a "Stupid Question Thread", but eh, I am also a (plebian) beginner; What type of paper should I use to practice?
>Thus it has to be good to draw, but cheap enough to waste in horrible practice

>>2550099
regular printer paper. any sketchbook will do. its just for practice. i would go with latter.

>>2550048
This is very interesting. Thank you for posting this.

>>2550101
Really? good, because that's what I have being doing for drawing with ink, but it does not entirely convince me with a pencil. Maybe my pencils were too shitty.
Thank you

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>>2548037

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>>2547997
help plz

>>2550111
her right cheek...it too big

>>2550107
HB pencil + any paper

Loomis says any pencil that you can make a "convincing" black - meaning you have to easily be able to distinguish the black lines from the rest of the piece, and that you can actually call upon that black line when you need it. Whatever you do, don't get in over your head on making sure you get the "right" tools - as a beginner you should just focus on technique and eye, media can come later

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Maybe head should be a bit longer ?

>>2550139
right cheek sticks out a bit too much, fix that and the rest should fit better

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>>2550111

>>2550041
anybody? i really dont get it..

>>2550143
k

>>2550139

damn son looks like you've got a decent understanding of the human head and form but that right eye is not placed like a human eye

>>2549834


theres a thing called a cone of vision (scott robertsons book) that you're supposed to stay inside of , and keep vanishing points a certain degree apart in relation to where the 'camera' is positioned. so you're right, if you want less distortion, move the vanishing points apart. it's in scott robertsons book which is a must read on perspective

>>2549860

you're thinking of vanishing points the wrong way. look up what happens to a cubes vanishing points as it rotates. and if you want a consistent field of view, you don't vary up the vanishing point degree's between different cubes much at all

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Should I do something with hand? Some critique will be good befor do coloring.

>>2550207
imo the the hand's position is kinda unnatural. especially that raised finger

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>>2550098
thanks. slowing down is my main goal right now. I think its the ADD in me that makes me impatient. But I am learning. eyes are the big thing I'm learning today

>>2550207
the hand looks awkward and also please dont render with just the soft brush. its making her skin look like plastic.

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So, I've been doing drawabox exercises for about a week and a half now. I think I have really improved a lot so far; things aren't great, but when I started my lines were much much worst.

After about 1000 or so boxes (I did a lot of side research on boxes, mind you), I think I'm starting to kinda get how a box works, but sometimes I get a little tired of boxes.

Since my lines now actually look like I intended them to be straight, I figured I could start checking out some other books on the side, books which I didn't start with because I couldn't get over how bad my lines were, but I wonder if you guys think it's a good idea to start reading something else before finishing all the drawabox lessons (a goal which is months away). Specifically, I was thinking of "fun with a pencil".

tl;dr: is it advised to study multiple books or should I finish one before going into others?

>>2550306
I'm right there with you, my lines suck

>>2550306
i think you should drop fun with a pencil and get into scott robertson's how to draw. your boxes would improve a lot if you studied perspective.

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>>2547997
fug

>>2550306
You can always go back to a book, i would say remaining interested with drawing while learning is more important.

>>2549272
Nothing to be embarrassed about these look great

>>2550373
>your boxes would improve a lot if you studied perspective.
Yeah, I know, and it doesn't help that my lines are so shit. I'm wondering though, why should I drop fun with a pencil?

>>2550568
Maybe you're right. I think I've always had this fear of "following the wrong path", but maybe I should be more open to trying things out early. I guess I'm just worried about picking bad habits if I learn things "out of order".

Something else I wanted an opinion on: I've spent the last hour just doing 20 or so lines with the ghosting technique (my arm hurts, and they're not great), which I think is cool, and I feel good about it, but sometimes I think I could be spending this time studying something that would be more useful, but I don't know, especially since I HAVE been seeing an improvement to my lines. What do you guys think? I've been drawing these lines every single day now, I've got some pages filled with them, but am I focusing on this too much?

scrap it or keep going?

>>2549089
>How do I avoid fucking up finer details with large brush strokes?
you use fine strokes for fine details
>Layers?
yes wtf is wrong with you
>Do macro work first?
what

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>>2550692
oops forgot to resize

>>2550664
The line exercise is merely a warm up. But it's fine to focus it until you don't chicken scratch. Just keep doong what you do. Drawabox has enough resources to keep you busy without a book. Perspective is taught in a fairly quick manner as it relies on you to figure it out through many pages of work. As long as you keep rotating boxes, you can do the same with anatomy and it's all good from there. Advanced perspective isn't all that important until you're already pretty good since it has almost no use in typical sketches.

Will I ever get decent if all I can do is half hour a day? I just want to put illustrations with my writings like Alice In Wonderland, Hobbit, etc.

>>2550716
Can you really not spare more time? In fact, just asking this question as if there's a minimum amount of time to become better makes me think that, no. You will not ever get decent because you don't seem to want to work.

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>>2550716
>half-hour

>>2550718
I can spare more time to doodle but not seriously draw with concentration. Some days maybe more but I looked at my schedule and usually half hour is it. I'm in school, have job (where I'm posting), write and play in a band.

I guess I'm just wondering if there's any point or I should wait when I'm not so busy/finish school.

>>2550716
no.
3 is the minimum if you want to not suck. Ask anywhere else, they'll tell you something similar.

>>2550736
No point at all. Are you an idiot? Do you know how to manage time? Asking this question and being on this board at all says a lot. Are you trying to run away from your work or something? Focus on those and only those. Don't waste time on useless shit like /ic/. Fleeting motivation is terrible. Be good at what you have now instead. Then create time for art once you've got your life figured out.

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an hour or so later, wasn't counting.
Read some Loomis last week during vacation

>>2550746
I think Keys to Drawing would do you a big favor. Pretty much solves the issues you have in that drawing. Just reading the first chapter and third chapter should be enough to help.

>>2550747
I lost the pdf when I deleted a few images off my flashdrive, somehow deleting the entire folder.
Is it in the MEGA?

>>2550751
It should be, yes.

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>>2547997
i guess ill put all that advice i gave to work. let me know how bad i fucked up.

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>>2550753
Do you know where I should look, I can't seem to find it.

>>2550761
Just check fellowbro's from the sticky. It's right there actually.

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>>2550664
your boxes are incredibly distorted. i think it would help if you drew in 1pt or 2pt grids instead of random boxes floating in space (i recommended how to draw b/c i think the perspective section in drawabox is really really watered down). also, stop worrying about your lines so much. smooth linework come with mileage. imo fun with a pencil helps with construction, but is ultimately useless. that's just my opinion though, it might help you but i definitely didn't need it.

>>2550761
It's in 'reference and beginners'

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>>2550777
now seems like a good time to post some of the ctrl+paint perspective grid worksheets

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I've been taking Fun with a Pencil more seriously after stalling for awhile. What do you guys think?

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>>2550841

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>>2550843

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>>2550844

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>>2550842

Some stuff from this thread and the Study thread.

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>>2548000

>>2550887
Sorry! Unable to edit at the moment, I guess sideways is fine

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>>2548014
Trying to figure out digital

>>2550847
>>2550842
the mouths on them are fucked. features are also flat. i assume you're going for realistic proportions, try head and hands instead.

>>2550746
would lick my own cum out of those abs
also the drawing is symbolic as fuck

>>2548395
Pretty

I did a loomis.

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>>2551008
>>2547997
and here it is

>>2551010
ayy lmao
>>2550879
ayy lmao
>>2550847
ayy lmao
>>2550842
ayy lmao
>>2550423
ayy lmao
>>2549925
ayy lmao
why are you guys fucking this up so bad?

>>2551017
I'm literally 3 pages into my first ever sketchbook. That's why.

>>2551017
why are you fucking this board up so bad?

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how do I draw this kind of curved perspective?

>>2551035
I'm guessing you'd draw your construction lines with a curve towards the vanishing points.

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>>2551035
That's a very bad example; they clearly just freehanded it and she turned out like a bobblehead. Use a guide.

>>2548116
>>2548136
>doturds actually browse /ic/
will there finally be some good dota porn after all?

>>2551020
>>2551027
>replying to bait

classic

>>2551050
I quite like Redthedrawfag's dota stuff and he browses /d2g/ too. Maybe one day I can be like him.

>>2551058
red's pretty much the only one that that makes some good quality art. 90% of the stuff that gets posted in /d2g/ is shit tho

how do I learn how to color things I draw?

>>2551065
start by colouring. Then you continue. And you do colour studies. Still life in colour. Limit your palette. Block in large areas.

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>>2548011
>Still no one draws the negro
Kinda hard to get the likeness actually

>>2551017
Post work

>>2550777
The point of the challenge is to draw random boxes in space, so I can't. The perspective is supposed to be roughly determined, although I agree with you, mine aren't great.

>also, stop worrying about your lines so much.
Alright, I'll try, but it's really frustrating. Boxes are a great example, since many times I fuck up because I want a certain angle on a line and it ends up not at that angle at all, and then I say "fuck" and need to draw an entirely different box just to make it appear somewhat correct. I'll just use it as a warmup exercise from now on.

>>2549401
Don't half see the eyes

>>2550758

This is pretty good, don't half ass the ear, it's a shitty feature I know, but you can do better than that

You guys need to read a book I am reading called the inner game of tennis. This book is a best seller and popular in sports psychology. I think it has applications over the learning process in drawing.

It uses examples where the teacher is trying to show somebody how to play tennis and demonstrates when the people seemed to effortlessly understand what to do and what the teacher was doing wrong. One major part is that when the person is thinking to themselves the tips they are given to perform better they perform worse. Alot of the feedback in the /ic/ threads are like this. "Your faces are too ___ insert here" Or "Work on your ____ more" Is like the feedback that wasn't teaching the tennis students and causing them problems. When they watched the technique being done correctly without taking mental notes on how or why and then imagined themselves doing it and tried to do it right afterwards, they just could.


I think in order to draw well we need more visual video examples of each level of the drawing process being conquered. If we see it done correctly before our very eyes we don't have to spend all day and weeks inching towards the correct way to do it. It clicks on the spot because you are witnessing it being done right instead of having to guess how to do it right yourself when you practice. Show a video where proper rendering of putting in detail on a fine painting is demonstrated from step 1 to the end. Just watch and pay attention and try yourself.

>>2551179
I knew the ear was going to be a problem lol . Thanks for the advice

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1/2

i did this from imagination. critique had a bit of trouble attaching the head and construction the face but i think it works okay. i not sure her boobs are done right either but after looking a dozens, if not hundreds of refs and fapping i think i might have gotten that right too.

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>>2551203
2/2

i did this for fun. i mostly worried about the perspective working out. i might push more detail later but im satisfied for now

>>2550193
it looked not so wrong for me, can you show how it should be properly placed ? What is wrong, size ecc.. ?

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>>2547997
Since everybody is doing Audrey.

>>2551272
inb4 /beg/ - Audrey Hepburn edition

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>>2547997
what is likeness

>reach page 31 in 3 days in loomis
>go through the rest of the book
>realise what is waiting for me
oh god
worst thing is i don't know how to draw a nose that fits the character and looks good or those little lines the emphasize certain features

>>2551353
That is exactly the kind of stuff you practice during model drawing. If you want a kick start take a short course or couple of classes whith a teacher.

Yeah you need to stfu and get out. this is a beginner board for fucks sake

>>2551368
make me, bitch nigger

>>2551373
that message was for this guy
>>2551017
if you are that guy i just want you to know that I fuck your mother on a semi regular basis

>>2551413
i fuck your mom on regular basis
and we take turns using your dragon dildos while laughing at you

Should I continue with loomis or should I drop it for something else?

>>2551420
What books have you read so far?

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I experimented a bit with foreshortening on the legs, how is this one?
I'm also searching for reference for a pose like this, women always sit with there legs crossed.

>>2551473
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Women+sitting+legs+apart+

>>2551484
THANKS ANON I JUST GOT PROMOTED

>>2551484
Well there is atleast one picture that looks slightly similar, thanks.

>>2551427
Haven't read any books yet. Just recently started taking drawing more seriously. Many people told me that Fun With a Pencil is a good startk, so that's what I'm doing right now.

>>2551517
>>2551517
I personally loved keys to drawing much more than fun with a pencil, you might wanna check that out after you're done with that

>>2549238
I too am starting digital and have recently been gifted a cheap tablet (Tooya X) not great but I think it'll do is there any program that's generally accepted as a good digital drawing program?

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>>2551132

>>2551645
>Chicken scratch
>Thinks he's good enough to shitpost
Ayy retard.

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>>2551645
>xnosebro.tumblr.com
just kill yourself already

>>2551791
Wow his paintings are worse than I expected given that his line quality and general drawing is solid enough.

>>2551645
>xnosebro.tumblr.com
literally the last person who should be "ayy lmao"ing other peoples work. when are you going to learn what makes a face not look like 'down syndrome x anime' ? not shitposting, just the stagnation in such an ugly style is depressing. just study realism already

>>2551802
just barely leveled up my painting. But yes, painting is not my forte.
>>2551791
taking stuff from literally 6 months back as written right below.
>>2551774
its not chicken scratch, it was a different grip test. Which is why there are some lines way off. I passed over with an eraser with my real hand so it doesnt show.
>>2551827
dont do studies. Am faggot.

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>>2547997

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>>2551827
>>2551791
>>2551774

just don't reply to this fucking autist, he will never improve, but you guys still have a chance
get back to drawing, faggots

>>2551859
been drawing for 2 years 3 months. Mind posting your work/timeline?

>>2551862
I know you told me not to defend your stuff but damm, I hope I will be that good in five months.
sorry

>>2551872
this might came out wrong, I have been drawing for almost two years

>>2551875
post work, im also at almost two years soon

>>2551872
if you really think nosebro is more than a bloody beginner and that there might be a chance that you won't become "that good" in 5 months (or less), you're doomed to stay a shitty artist

I really hope he finds another forum to ruin, or opens a facebook-containment-page, where he dares people to show off their work, if they want to critique him

it's time to grow up, guys

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I haven't drawn in weeks because of recent video game releases and I want to get back in the mix. I want to try really hard this month to draw every day and get some improvement going. Before you draw something, do you warm up for 30 minutes or so?

>>2551859
I am drawing, faggot. You know what? I'll draw one of my cubes just for you.

>>2551907
alright bae, I'm waiting

>>2551922
Sorry, I made one, but it was so good I decided to keep it. :^)

>>2551935
>just for you
why make me suffer, anon

new thread

>>2551958
>>2551958
>>2551958

new thread

>>2551645
Thanks, once again, for proving that you're a hypocrite.

>>2551900
Well I most likley won't be able to reach your standarts of drawing any time soon, if ever.
But I appreciate that you worry so much about the beginner thread.

>>2551893
Here it is, sorry missed that post somehow.
>>2551473

>>2551978
If your aspirations are that low, why bother at all?

>>2551978
desu, my standards aren't that high, we're still in a beginner thread after all
I worry about the beginners, that look up to false idols like nosebro
I just don't think he's able to actually help people improve.. but I guess that's a story we can argue about for the next 10 years

>>2552000
itll only take me another 2 years and a half to reach plateau. Another 6-7 months before my rendering reaches a level that blinds the noobies to my flaws. By my predictions.
>>2551965
how so?
>>2551872
you might have other skillsets to offset #Rendering.

>>2551993
I like to draw.
>>2552000
Yes, we are still in the begginer thread, so I don't see anything wrong with looking up to a fellow beginner.
nice trips btw

>>2552011
But everyone in /ic/ hates turd polishing.
Why bother with colours, values and light if I can't even get the lines right?

>>2552011
what do you mean with "reaching plateau"? what skill level are we talking about?
btw, blinding noobs shouldn't be an artistic goal, that's literally the equivalent of putting photocopies on facebook to impress normies

>>2552026
reaching plateau for me is like reaching a level where skill advancement tapers off due to their not being much room for advancement. Its when most artists start photobashing/making the process more efficient/ highly customizing brushes.

As of yet, Ive had a generally good grasp of when my skill would develop. For instance, I'm counting on a skill boost in around 2 months from now.

>>2552023
just by leveling up your main skill, lines, youve amassed some talent you can use to rapidly levle up the other skills. Using this "talent pool" is a good way to perhaps take a break, keep yourself up to date, or even, figure out some things about your main skill tree. EX: Lines are thinner with low light difference, this can be seen when you put value to indicate cheeks or the philtral dimple. Now, If you studied some value you might have caught on earlier. Or perhaps, going to the value from the lines made it obvious not to overvalue the philtral dimple or the cheeklines.

Although, this is just my theory of talent. It may not be 100% or even 25% true. But I feel that way.

>>2552081
Sounds pretty reasonable to me, I'm very hesitant when it comes to learning new things about drawing.
I may give it a shot in the future, thank you, you gave me something to think about.

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hey guys I'm pretty new to drawing on tablets. Everytime I draw in Photoshop the brush seems to have jitter in its stroke, any idea how to fix it?

I cant get clean lines...

I set the document up at 300 dpi and that's pretty much it, I'm also using default brushes

pic related, its just a shitty outline but you can see what im saying

>>2552073
>not being much room for advancement

you really are THAT fucking delusional aren't you. ever heard the phrase 'you don't know what you don't know'? yeah just fucking pick up the books and study some realism. doesn't mean you have to ditch your ugly ass style, it will just get less ugly

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>>2547997
Not too proud, but not too ashamed either.
Critique plz.

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>>2551845
ayy

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>>2552811
le mao
>>2552694
lol post work or get reading comprehension.

>>2549448
Its a meme because its effective

>>2550111
Take more time with your lines, its very messy looking.

>>2548391
Looks shity m8. Redraw it but ya know... better, roll that up into the shit pile and continue with a noice Brown frame