/beg/ - BEGINNER THREAD

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WE WUZ edition

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Can someone r8 my doggo?
This is my first attempt at fine art. I was focusing on shading(rendering?).
I have watched at least 10 youtube videos.

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Haven't even taken my first steps out of the gate yet. How do I get the brush to stay a consistent size and become more opaque with pressure, not bigger? photoshop CS2

Any other beginner photoshop tips are appreciated

>>2543879
Click brushes
Make sure transfer is selected, and the top two sliders are set to pen pressure.
Make sure Shape dynamics is not selected.

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>>2543879
>cs2

>>2543879
Click the button near flow, the little pen.

>>2543901
i lol

>>2543853

I feel like I draw the one on the left and don't know how to draw the one on the right. How do you do the right one?

WHAT IS A COMFORTABLE SIZE FOR CONSTRUCTING THE MECHANICAL SHAPES OF A KNEE JOINT USING MODELLING MASS/CLAY IN YOUR EXPERIENCE?

>>2543990
what if there were paragraphs on the photo devoted to explaining this concept

>>2544000

I'm black, I can't read.

>>2544000

That paragraph didn't explain dicks. Just because you don't draw certain lines to create depth doesn't mean it's going to come out looking like the image on the right. If it were that easy, everyone would be drawing like that artist and no one would need any further explanation than a few sentences to achieve that. The last line sums it up perfectly, go play expert somewhere else.

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constructing a head from imagination.
crit pls?

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>>2544028

>>2544045

that's not a crit you asshole.

>>2544045
thanks. is there anything wrong with any of the other features?
>>2544062
i found it pretty helpful

>>2544028
Double check the proportions, like the jaw looks a bit small, or maybe the features need some moving about slightly.

Biggest problem is that the forms are reading very flat. Rather than outlining the lips with lines and having them look very 2d, how can you show the forms of the lips and how they wrap the tooth cylinder? What about the eyes, you don't show any of the structures around them in the socket. And the bridge of the nose has those lines which read really poorly.

It's great that you are trying it without ref, but maybe at this stage find some photos and try to fix the mistakes you've made and see how much further you can take it.

>>2544062
Looks like he's pointing out how you didn't really indicate the structure of the ears at all. No need to rage out at him.

>>2544073
thank you.
>>2544073 isn't me btw

>>2543416
Thanks bud

>>2543994
DOESN'T MATTER ANYMORE.

>>2543990
if you know how to draw the one on the right, start fixing all the problems that are pointed out on that one. don't render the shadow edges on the nose as hard edges, use a soft transition of the values, have well-defined cast shadows, etc. one step at a time

>>2543890
>>2543960
thanks

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>>2543793
oh man... I'm embarrassed.... I really should have stepped back from this. Jacked her all up.

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>>2543890
There's no "transfer"

>>2544198
Pay more attention to the angle of things. Like picture imaginary vertical or horizontal lines, and compare what the angles of the ref are next to those imaginary lines. Take the jaw for example, if you put an imaginary horizontal line there it lines up very well with the jaw on your painting but on the ref it's like a 30 degree angle or something. You need to do this for every angle and every relationship between landmarks.

>>2544198
I like to think I have a better understanding of construction than you do yet you render far better than I could. We should combine into the super /beg/gar. Just a question, after all the initial linework how long does rendering take?

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>>2544207
I know why I fucked up. Drew it too big/ too close to the screen. I leaned back and was like.... fuck....

>>2544231
The whole drawing was about 30 minutes

>>2544232
If you knew how you fucked up then spend the time to fix it rather than just post it and complain. Jesus christ.

>>2544235
I'd have to start over. I'm out of time for the night.

>>2544235
That's the one thing that messes me up about the 21UX. I have it on an arm and have the tendency to try to pull it to me and put my face inside of it.

>>2544239
>out of time

never gonna make it

>>2544251
> make it

I have an IT job an hour and a half away in ok traffic and a wife and kid. I'm lucky I knock out what I do.

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Anyone want to but this Huion tablet? $30 and it's yours.

>>2544258

IT'S NOT THE TABLET, IT'S YOU.

>>2544261
Oh I'm very aware. So I no longer need it.

>>2544263

Are you quitting art?

>>2544264
I pretty much quit about 2 years ago. Work got in the way, couldn't find the time. Sort of fell out of the habit, and I occasionally pick it back up for a sketch or two.. but I lost understanding of all the basics. I have the will to doodle, but not study.

>>2544266


are you shitmaster69?

>>2544269
If that's an in-joke.. I do not understand it.

>>2544270

He's a person on discord. Why don't you want to draw anymore? How old are you?

>>2544271
Ah...?
I'd like to, but do you ever just sort of fall into a rut with no inspiration, and if you find inspiration, you don't have the practice to put it to use and researching until you lose said inspiration?
I guess sort of like that. Also, I'll be 21 in a few months.

>>2544273
No, i never fall into ruts. Inspiration is for people who don't want to do this for a living. Motivation is for cowards who would rather do anything other than art. That shit is just an excuse to not work and play video games while you "find yourself", complete garbage. I don't even draw what I enjoy anymore, it's all studying so I can one day draw what I want instead of fundies. What do you do to pay your bills?

I'm going to make it. I am noticing a lot of improvement even if I still have trouble with noses and ears. I am grasping drawing what I see rather than what I think I see. I don't have a picture yet since I am on my phone and it would be too big.

2nd month of actual study and going hard. Feels good desu.

/blogpost

>>2544273
Not the other guy but I never know what to draw. That is why I visit the Tower Girls thread and I joined the Daily Spitpaint group on facebook. As long as I can get some vague direction I'm good.

>>2544282

Spitpaint is shit, don't do that. Post your work, I'll tell you what to draw to get better.

>>2544280

got a blog?

>>2544280
Pretty sure you're going through the noob gains phase where you make your biggest improvements and hit your first plateau (which should be in a month or two). Remember that the point is to keep doing it even when it gets hard. Keep on keeping on!

>>2544285
Implying most of what is on Spitpaint is not better than 99% of the stuff on /ic/

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>>2544278
I DON'T want to draw for a living.. I do it for fun, but most of the time on here you only see people saying drawing as a career makes it horrible, so they /can't/ draw for fun.
I don't know where all this finding yourself shit is from. It's simply not fun without the occasional desire to actually draw. Then actually doing it and seeing how far I've fallen just crushes whatever motivation I had to do it in the first place. I was actually coming here looking for incentive.
(note pic related, one of my older paintings. Nothing incredible, sure, but better than the abortion I uploaded earlier.)

>>2544285
here is one of my Tower GIrls
>>2542665

>>2544290
Not that guy. Just a hobby. I have people beg me for stuff all the time but I hate taking commissions because the obligation kills the feeling. Just draw things that you like even if they are doodles. I was feeling just like you. Then I stopped making promises to myself to get better and instead just focus on drawing every day. Some days it's total shit but even if it is shit I still made my goal.

>>2543803
Didn't we have this one a couple threads ago?

>>2544300
Yeah mate, my friend asked me to do a commission for him. I didn't want to take money for it, but he insisted.. I gave a go, ended up taking like 6 hours to make a shitty doodle, re did it, messy shitty doodle, etc...
and this was when I was slightly okay at drawing.

Glad to hear you got through it though. Any tips on what I should familiarize myself with? (besides the obvious Loomis)

>>2544289
99% of 0 is still 0.

>>2544308
>>2544308
I've been messing around with "design doll" lately. You could try giving that a go. It's a free program that lets you pose a 3d model. I've been using it for a lot of my drawings.

Also I see in that last picture you drew you were trying to render over white. That has always been a pain in the ass for me. Try drawing over a lite-medium gray. It's much easier to pull out your image with highlights as opposed to carving it with darks. That's why I love drawing on toned-gray paper.

>>2544285
I don't, I am going to wait a year before starting an actual art blog. Will most likely upload my printer paper work then.

>>2544321
>a fellow printer paper user
I thought I was the only one

>>2544323
Can't beat 500 sheets for 4 bucks. Plus I can practice at work by just taking some from the shelves

>>2543879
>>2544199
help

>>2544344
This is an option that is right on the top bar on the newer versions of Photoshop. Just torrent CS5 or 6 and you troubles will be solved.

>>2544344
Id say download brush sets but you would most likely have issues with such an old version on PS

>>2544344
might be "Other dynamics"
You're looking for "flow jitter" and "Opacity jitter"

Get cs5 or 6. The pirate bay is your friend.

>>2544370
>tfw doesn't use piratebay anymore because scared of viruses

>>2544375
Use trusted uploaders.
If a torrent has 1930542856 seeders, and no fancy symbol next to their user name... then it's most likely a trap.

>>2544385
Not really into torrenting. Isn't having a lot of seeders mean a lot of people are downloading it? So it must be legit?

>>2544491
It's possible to fake those numbers to lure people into downloading.

All you need to do is take a little time looking around. Check to see if the filesize seems right. Is there a description, does the torrent have instructions regarding the crack? Read comments, check the users other uploads. I would consider anywhere between 0-200 seeders to be normal for software. TV shows I only ever download from ettv.

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>>2543793

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Asking here because I dont know where else to go. The image on the right, drawn in pen, is 7cm at an angle of 45 degrees. When I want to draw it front facing, how long should it be?

I was never taught perspective.

>>2544506
you seem to be a draftsman of some sorts and you were never taught perspective?

http://www.storytellerartist.com/documents/Perspective_Made_Easy.pdf

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>>2544508
Thanks

I'm a first year Industrial Design student. I wouldve thought they would teach us perspective, but no

>>2544510
Griffith?

>>2544508
Oh hold up man I can't read all that, my presentation drawing is due at 8 tomorrow morning and it's 9:40pm here.

Surely there is some formula for figuring this out

>>2544512
what

>>2544513
Cut a piece of paper to 10cm (or whatever, doesn't really matter), move it to 45 degrees, find the length of it, apply the formula.

Easiest way to do things is to make a physical copy and adjust it how you need it.

If I loathe doing the fundamentals exercises on drawabox, does that mean I'll never make it as an artist? I'd love to be able to draw but can't concentrate on the first exercise with all the lines.

>>2544506
In cabinet projection, the receding line is 1/2 of the true length. So in your case 14 cm.

>>2544022
my planes rendering has improved when i read that image a few months ago, it's you who have to learn to read, I am don't mean to read but to read

>>2544523
I get you, thanks

>>2544528
No, fundamental exercises are not entirely enjoyable but are necessary. In between studies, you should do some fun work i.e. draw what you like to make sure you don't get burned out.

If when drawing what you like you still don't enjoy the process of drawing, either you need to keep drawing until you enjoy the process, or maybe this isn't for you.

>>2544528
Just practice more with what you feel comfortable with. I would suggest you power through draw a box, but you might not get as much out of it if you aren't willing and just let impatient tendencies run rampant

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torso study. how's my anatomy/values/etc?

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>>2544677
and the ref

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I'm getting into perspective and I can construct boxes in 3d space pretty well but I stumbled across this picture and I realized I have no idea how to visualize this, like for most things - people, buildings, heads etc you can place boxes around them to understand them better but I don't know how to do that for this piece

Basically what i'm asking can someone help me understand how the artist did this

>>2544677
>>2544680
Pick a better reference anon(start with single light )
Also watch this
https://youtu.be/6Pd0xqPzKCc

>>2544199
It might be under other in cs2. The setting you're looking for us opacity jitter, and you needed to set it to pen pressure.

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>>2544713
Got it, thank you. Now I'm off to learn how to draw.

>>2544273
>Also, I'll be 21 in a few months.
you're still a kid

>>2544258
ayylambo

>>2544278
This. me too.

>>2543804
>furry shit
very symbol drawing. try to draw facial features individually (sets of eyes, noses, etc.) before doing a face. not the worst shading in the world though.

>>2544278
7/10 bait

I'm currently at drawabox dissection. How do I into texture?

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>>2543793
construction + early mapping

>>2544811
scott robertsons book on rendering + there's some realistic textures with pencil book.

>>2544821

I don't really see any construction.

>>2544831
yeah you're right you can't really see it.

But the purpose of the drawing was practicing construction, how badly did I fail?

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could i get a crit? it's hurting my eyes

>>2544847
do it again.

>>2544848
looks asian

>>2544851
i was told to use analogous colours for shadow and highlight rather than just varying values of the same colour. hence i ended up with a lot of yellow.

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Attempting to do a fortuny mastercopy in carbon

>>2544848
Biggest issue is that the nose is too thin and the entire skin tone is wrong. Needs to be more reddish, less yellowish. Think terracotta.

>>2544860
alright, thanks. would you say i should start over? or would it be cheating to use an adjustment layer and change the color balance

Doing construction for a drawing qould be doing the rpugh shapes within the piece? Like an oval for the face, etc.?

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Hello everyone, I've always been self taught when it comes to drawing. I wouldn't say I'm a total noob, but I wouldn't be a pro either. I just bought Loomis' figure drawing book because I've always wanted to get into that sort of thing. My question is, is Loomis' material a good base to start from? I've heard his books kind of assume you're already pretty good with a pencil. I can post some of my drawings if wanted

>>2544898
>I just bought Loomis' figure drawing book
Hey good for you.

Now to answer your question; yes it's a damn good book. And he's a damn good artist. You won't go wrong with him.

>>2544898
>I can post some of my drawings if wanted
Do it

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>>2544902
I'm just wondering whether I'd be better off qith a book more suited to beginners. Anyways, here's some of my art...

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>>2544926

>>2544926
>>2544928
you'll be ok

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>>2543793
oh god I could not get this one right

>>2543804
Looks insanely good
:^)

How do I "use" the Scott Robertson How To Draw and How To Render books? They are incredibly overwhelming as a beginner but I really want to use them as I really value the style of dynamic sketching they allow for. (as used by peter han and feng zhu for example)

If I am going to sit down and spend up to 8 hours a day studying from these books, what kind of exercises should I be doing?

>>2544859
you mis identified the end of a value as the end of the jaw. Otherwise really like it

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Working on a pirate princess for the tower girls thread inbetween studying Perspective Made Easy.

>>2544982
Do the exercises in the books. I don't understand. What is your issue?

>>2544928
>>2544926
free tip: rotate and resize

>>2545041
>this good
>still reading about perspectice

>>2544982
Use it like a school would. Lecture, notes, homework, self critique.

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>>2543789

Where should I start with abstract art? I've been wanting to try out abstract painting for a while but I have no art experience apart from painting models for /tg/ stuff. Help me out artbros.

>>2545134
>>2545143
got some abstract art right here

>>2545118
Thanks senpai. I'm hoping that's what makes me famous one day

>>2545134
whats great is you actually spent time on this

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Yeah, it's "skin coloured" but it doesn't match at all.
Are there any good video series about colour matching?

Is it okay to use a "digital plumbline/level" by literally drawing straight lines to find alignments and such on ref to train my eye's accuracy? Would it hurt me in the long run? I was thinking it should be okay since you get to use an actual plumb line and level when doing real world stuff.

>>2545268
Digital art is great because those tools are there.
Using them won't make you any less of an artist.

You should still sketch without guides as well.

>>2545253

Have you consider using the colorpicker? It should set you straight rather quicky. Obviously you want to make your best guess first and only use the colorpicker as a sort of digital assistant that gives you a critique and tells you how close or off you are. The immediate thing that strikes me is that your midtones are extremely gray and desaturated. This creates dull and lifeless skin. The midtones are typically the most saturated. A good way to learn with the color picker is to slide it over the light area, the midtone and the shadow and watch the HSB sliders jump. Paint a palette on your canvas and color pick from that instead of colorpicking from your painting. If you colorpick too much from your own painting you tend to delute the colors and eventually make them muddy and desaturated.

>>2545273
Ah, okay. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't gimping myself.

>>2545248
because its good right?

>>2545248
i have more than one

>>2545274
Not him but i feel paranoid by thinking that using colorpicker would be cheating and feel cheaty whenever I use it. Would you be learning more about color etc. by manually going to the palette?

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>>2543793
i tried.

I want to get into animation, illustration and pixel art. How do I start? Should I get good at drawing first and then work on animation?

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>>2543793
after i got frustrated with the drawing i started scribbling then i tried erasing the picture out of the scribbles.

>>2545122
I'm studying foundamentals for the first time, so I figured perspective was a good start.

>>2545366
>foundamentals
Yeah I found one, I'm replying to it

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feeling really stuck, i need a critique

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Does anyone have some more images full of hand poses? Using my own hand as a reference barely works since I can only get one angle on it.

>>2545274
Thanks.
I've been using the eye dropper as a starting point. But I'm not sure where to find the best values for shading and highlights. Sort of looks like I've just smeared grey all over it.

Only my second thing I've painted, so I'm at least happy with where I'm at for the moment.

>>2545403
I love these but don't be afraid to push the pose. I say this by taking a pose like the bottom right and arching her back a little, or the pose on the left where she could have more of a slouch or perkiness.

By pushing a pose you take generic reference work and add personality to slowly develop your style.

>>2545407
Should get someone to model for you to be honest. It's easy.

>>2545429
You overestimate my social skills.

>>2545430
B-but family communication hardly requires much social interaction.

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>>2543793
Fuck ears.

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>>2545431
>"Hey dad, I need to you grab a pole or something so I can draw your hand."
>"Sure kiddo, whatcha drawin?"
>"U-Uh it's not porn or anything. J-Just a dude holdin a sword."

Besides I need to practice drawing hands in general and it's not easy to get my family to sit still for an hour so I can look closely at their limbs.

>>2545435
Well, of course I meant you should take photos.

>>2545433
Form imaginary guidelines and go by them. The top of the ear -almost- hits the browline whereas yours is nowhere near close.

>>2545437
Well you're just fucking full of answers right now, huh?

>>2545439
Yeah I measured the face proportions but messed up where the ears was while painting. Thanks for advice.

>>2545440
I feel empowered.

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>>2545426
thanks anon

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>>2543793
Decided to hop on the band wagon and give her a go. Idk kinda tired of working on her so here's what I have

Also sorry if it's too large. Uploaded directly from my tablet

When copying an image, is it better to finish it completely with all the details even if you messed up along the way or just do a rough copy and move on?

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What do you think about this?

>>2545569
imo I think it just depends on what you want to do. They're supposed to be studies so just practice on what you think you're weakest on. Like if you're bad with hair then focus more on the hair or w/e or if you're learning values then practice with that. I think it would be preferred to try and draw the image as close to the actual image as possible but then again remember that it's just a study so don't stress if the details aren't exact.

>>2545574
Thanks, your words are comforting. Especially the last line. I feel less stress just reading it. I also feel like I have a clearer idea about how to do this now.

>>2545569
this : >>2545574

and after a while you should be confident that you know how to finish/render out an image so you know when to stop with a study and not go into pointless rendering. i think it's best to go too detailed first until you get comfortable, then go into simplifying, since when things are simplified, you sometimes can't tell what gaps you have in your knowledge

>>2545581
just remember dude, every great artist was once terrible and they didn't get better by drawing good paintings that became better and better one by one. they got better because they drew out all the terrible ones and learned from their mistakes.

i mean, kids are usually taught diligence through working hard at school, but for a lot of people who found school easy they're used to breezing by and when they come across everything that actually requires time and effort they usually just avoid it, so it's for one cool that you're rejecting that philosophy

don't be afraid to suck, embrace the suck, be the suck, the sooner you get that defeated mentality out of your head the easier your art experience will be.

>>2545582
I never thought about it that way, it's something to look for out now. I'll try your suggestion since I'm not fully comfortable with how exactly to approach a study yet. Confidence is key. It seems. I hope to be able to build it enough to notice results.

>>2545571
lel
even more if you were serious. Study bert dodson keys

>>2545592
he intentionally caricatured it

>>2545588
I'll be sure to keeo that in mind when I'm drawing. Every stroke I take is scary because I feel like I'll mess up, but I know I have to continue to move on to improve. It's amazing to think everyone who is great has gone through this struggle. In which case, I'll definitely embrace the suck and beat it down. It's the only path I know to get to where I'm going.

>>2545593
>>2545592
yes I was trying to make a caricature of the guy, not a portrait. If you guys have some tips I'll appreciate

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i think i am stuck... what stuft now?

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>>2545633

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>>2545633
i think i am stuck .. what do and study now? have done a bit of hamptons, but of fun with pencil and a bit of looms figure drawing. want to go from here to expressing a sexy nurse with a symbiotic slime living in her ass and at times doing adult stuff to her.

>>2545638
rotate, resize, drop name, you're not that important

reread hampton for god's sake

>>2545642
i cannot rotate and resize dont own a computer. sorry. but i also have a question... am i doing it right i mean is it ok to draw the same thing over again? am i still symbol drawing?

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>>2543793
I know I fucked up everything below her chin but what else?

>>2545647
the eyes look on the verge of being symbol drawn. i'm not sure if it's intentional, but it looks like you tried putting her right nostril wing in, which you can't see in the reference.

as for your penciling, it looks to be heading in a good direction, just keep working at it and try and put more confidence in your linework.


oh and you gave her a 5 head

>>2545657
>symbol drawn
Can this meme die already

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>>2545659
symbol drawing is an actual thing e.g. when you draw the eye as you think it should be instead of noticing the subtleties and proportions between the shapes.

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Crit please?

>>2545657
thanks for the honesty anon

>>2543793
Question, does it help to keep drawing the same drawing until you get it right, or does that hinder you in some way?

>>2545773
It does help and can also hinder you in multiple ways like time, comfort zone, etc.

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we should link to the new thread in the old one once there's a new one. Didn't even notice this one.

>>2544528
>take someone who's excited about learning to draw
>make them fill endless pages with straight lines and boxes
>give them the impression that this is a necessary prerequisite to becoming an artist
>watch them become frustrated and quit

DrawABox is a great resource, but it's misrepresented as a course for beginners. It's based on a course taught to new students at ArtCenter. ArtCenter doesn't admit beginners -- they admit dedicated amateurs who have the potential to become professionals. The intended audience affects both the intensity of the exercises and the overall structure of the course. None of the instructors were beginners when they took the course. Why anyone would think that a course aimed at those students would necessarily work well for beginners is beyond me.

If I were starting out I'd be looking for resources that helped me learn fundamentals while feeding my excitement. After building up sufficient dedication, I'd circle back around to DrawABox or a similar course to help me reinforce the fundamentals and catch any gaps in my knowledge.

>>2545288

It's not cheating if you use it like I described it. You make your best effort at first, and when you feel stuck you use the colorpicker as a tool of analysis. The point is to learn and you WILL learn by doing this. It can also be useful to just go over your favorite artwork or photos and explore different areas with the color picker. The results may surprise you. Some colors are not what they seem to be, with different levels of saturation and in different contexts they can appear to be a completely different hue.

>>2545425

Read my comment again. The saturation level is what makes your half tones look grey, not the values. Use the HSB sliders. I'd advice to you to not start out with the color picker though, but make an effort to train your eye. Use the color picker when you can't figure out what you are doing wrong.

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>>2543789
is this good,

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>>2545647
I tightened up the sketch this time. I realized I have difficulty interpreting hair and lips. usually its due to lack of detail? But I am overall still happy with it's outcome

>>2545873
what exactly are you trying to accomplish

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Sorry for the messy skech but I just can't figure out how long the legs suppose to be.
I messed around with them for way to long so having someone else look at it might help.

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Did this, hairs are shit , couldn't get the eyes (I repeatedly tried to correct em) and the expression right

>>2545873
epic repost bro,
but in case you're serious.
Make sure all lines are straight and line up with their respective vanishing points.

>>2545930
the shorter the legs the more dramatic the foreshortening (or vice versa really)

in this case a shorter, thicker leg would mean that the spread angle is more extreme.

I'd get a porn reference or something to understand what's going on.

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>>2543793
As always. Something is off.

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Fuck this fucking picture! 3rd time I've tried I'm done

>>2545719
forehead 2 big. ears wrong (ref pleSae==

>>2546060
looks like kate hudson

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>>2545963
No luck searching for the pose, forshortening is realy hard to grasp.
I tried to draw a rather unusual pose so ofcourse there isn't much reference for that.

I just hope it isn't that broken.

>>2546187

>that diagram

Jesus christ
Teaching art is not for you anon

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>>2546192
>>2546122
>>2545930

This is my take how you could construct the leg in perspective.

>1
Determine the true length of the leg in side view.

>2
Draw an imaginary rotation line (red) with the hip joint as the pivot.
Draw the knee on the rotation line and connect it to the hip joint. The leg has been simplified to a slightly tapered cylinder.

>3
The same applies if the leg is spread in the other direction. Pay attention how the contour lines wrap around the legs. Contour lines are great aid to see the perspective.
Because we're looking down, the rotation line for the ankles revolves in an ellipse path (because of perspective).

Actually, all rotation lines are revoled in an ellipse path instead of a straight line, but I was too lazy to correct it. It's only straight when the rotation happens at eye level.

>>2546192
Yeah I just saw that, each hip joint has its own rotation. Unless it's something else wrong?

>>2543793
OK so who has constructed this face the most accurately so far?

>>2546280
Not that it's a competition. Just to see who's on the right track

>>2546262
on purpose right?
>>2546060
neat

>>2546289
Yes

>>2543791
>>2543793
I love the replies to both of these

>>2544506
orthographic projection+pythagoras on a right angle triangle.

Easiest shit ever.

is finding the midpoint for a shape by sight supposed to be so difficult?

>>2546060
pretty good

>>2546439
If you've never really done it before, yes

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Starting an environment painting with no experience before. Took the advice of setting the mood and simple linework before delving into details. Anyone more experienced on environments wanna tell me if this reads well or not?

>>2546194
not the guy who posted but this is extremely helpful
stick around anon

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My proportions feel way off. Any tips? Sorry I couldn't get a clearer pic. Head I used loomis guidelines but freehanded the body.

>draw square using ruler and protractor
>look at it directly
>looks longer vertically
>turn paper 90 degrees
>still looks longer vertically
I've got a great set of eyes on my face.

This is specifically a question about PHOTOSHOP. I've started doing photo studies and I usually have my canvas open side-by-side with the reference photo. There is an option to 'match zoom' or 'match location' which takes you to the same zoom/location in image 2 as you are in image 1.

How do I make it so that it automatically and constantly matches the zoom/location between both images as I work? I remember seeing someone doing this in video I saw on youtube, but I can't find anything about this now.

Anyone know? Thanks

>>2546645
Use the pencil measuring technique.

>>2546194
Wow, I realy got to try that out, thank you.

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Brings me back to when I did my very first loomis head.

Advice?

>>2546780
add some branches to the higher up places on the trees, get yourself a consistent light source and apply it to all the trees so they don't blend together quite as much

>>2544869
cheating doesn't exist my friend, if it looks good it's good

>>2546780
focal points must be hard edges, for the threes i mean, so they don't blend in the background

>>2546784
>>2546838
thanks!

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Any advice?

>>2546851
Are you shitcamanon

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>>2546853
pls no bully

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I've taken to watercolor but the mistakes I make ruin any motivation of wanting to finish a piece. Critiques and suggestions would be greatly appreciated

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This is a wip but trying to make this a female (no eyes, no eyebrows) I read Loomis' section on the differences between men/women faces but it's not much help. I plan on adding some form of tentacles but what else do you do to have this read as a female?

>>2546870
cute. i was gonna say the ear was way too small/side plane a little too wide but i realized what you were going for

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>>2546955

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>>2543793
Puffy eyed girl is popular today.

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>>2547004
Didn't relise my canvas was so huge

did the roll thread get killed? for what purpose if so?

>>2546955
>>2546993
does look a bit on the manly side. ears are too big. i think making the lips thinner and wider would help a lot. and making the nose slimmer

>>2546060
her right eye looks like its a bit too bar tot he right, other wise really nice.

>>2545942
you fucked up the basic construction and this lead to you placing her right eye in the wrong spot

>>2544848
youre sort of dumb. why do you at least color block the hair/eyebrows and the iris/pupils so he doesnt look like a mutant. also you need a background color, it throws off the colors.

>>2547104
why dont*

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here's my tribal elephant from the roll thread that i cant seem to find

>>2543789
Where's the original pic of this?
I want to see the end result.

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>>2543791
>No one wants to draw the negra
That's raycist

>>2547140
Nah, just incompetent.

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>>2543794
I really need to stop trying to render before I've actually finished all my lines. I bodged the head shape quite a bit.

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What detail could I add to this monster? Sorry if the quality of the photo is bad, not sure why it compresses it so much

>>2547179
make the mouth not look like something out of a children's cartoon

in fact make everything not look like something out of a children's cartoon

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how's this?

>>2547217
the eye that warps around his face is fucked up
the lines feel good and clean though.

Now get up and foreshorten that second hand and foot!

>>2547217
Unfinished, a bit stiff around the shoulders and neck.

>>2547140
I don't think (for me atleast) that getting the shading more accurate at that scale is even possible.
It looks very accurate, human and natural.
Even if the wings of the nose are a bit rounder and the lips are slightly at a different angle. But this is what we call in my native tongue: mierenneuken

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>>2547229
>mierenneuken
Wat

>>2547256
>mierenneuken
nit-picking.

>>2547260
yeah that was the word i was looking for

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>>2543798
Maybe the head should be larger ? It's a bit strange I need help

>>2546645
post ref

>>2546060
None of the features are close to the reference. What you have hear is a decently drawn generic face that is placed in the same position as the reference / advanced symbol drawing.

>>2547304
>autocorrect
Here

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>>2543794

Fuck you, you're not even the real Paul

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This had to be white mage. What are mistakes and what should I work on?

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>>2547136
That's it.

Here's the unblurred.

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>>2543793

>>2547310
>advanced symbol drawing
That's a new concept for me.

>>2547422
Meaning that they drew facial features that are accurate to facial features but not to the referrence

>>2546074
Her forehead is big cause she's bald

>>2545719
You do Istebrak face challenge?

>>2547414
a salt mine in space where someone has constructed a fortress?

>>2547346
The hood looks like white hair. Make it pointier or something.

>>2547364
Oh. Thanks. Still a nice practice for quick study.

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How would I divide the top plane (any plane really) of this box into thirds

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just got a sketch book, how did I do with circles?

>>2547724
they're circles all right

>>2547724
you're gonna make it

>>2547724
do 500 more circles

>>2547719
There's a way described om the first pages of How to Draw by Scott Robertson. Divide in 3 5 7... The link is up front. Not sure if it works in 3p perspective

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>>2543789

Okay, about basic art theory:
On a object with the same local color and value (i.e. like the egg in the picture) the light side should have no values as dark as the values on the shadow side and vice versa. However, in the area of reflected light on the egg in the picture, some values are as bright as some in the midtones.

Does this mean that the bounce light in this case is so strong that it creates a new light zone on the egg? Isn't the definition of what is in shadow midtone or light based purely on value? The shadow appears at first to go across the egg like the standard "art demo sphere", but going by the values the shadow shape on the egg should actually rather be more triangular in shape and by posterizing the image in photoshop it confirms this.

I'm confused, someone set me straight

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>>2547770

Here's some shitty scribbles explaining what I mean

>>2547770
The classification and terminology is there to help you understand what is causing the appearance of things, and therefore paint it better.

Things are classified based on the source of light. So in this example, there is a main light source (a lamp to our right), ambient bounce light from the room (everywhere, faint), and then a more direct reflected light from the table (affecting the downward facing planes of objects near it). The egg shell has a slightly glossy quality to it, and the table is a light colour, so the reflected light in the egg shadow is fairly pronounced. That said, it wouldn't be considered another zone of light since the light is reflected light from the table. If there was another lamp off to the left (a light source) then you would get a second zone of light.

Anyways, as I said, the terms are meant to help you understand what is going on and therefore paint it better. Knowing that it is an area of reflected light and not another zone of light, you can be aware of not accidentally painting it too light in value, and if you choose you might even lower the value on purpose to downplay it.

Also the "everything in light is lighter than everything in shadow" rule is a generalization, and yes it holds true under normal circumstances and with matte objects of a single colour, but it also can have exceptions based on different scenarios. I would not worry too much about it.

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>>2547729
>>2547731
>>2547736
How's this

>>2547784

Thanks! I didn't take glossyness into the consideration. Obviously, a ball (or egg, whatever) resting on a table that is perfectly reflective like a mirror won't have the same values as a matte ball. Makes sense. So I suppose the glossier a object is the lighter the bounced light in the shadow zone will appear.

So, a matte, white sphere under one light source with some ambient and reflected light from the table will as a rule of thumb never have any bounce light the same value (as bright) as on the other side of the shadow zone. Correct?

>>2547791
draw from your shoulder

draw 500 more and only post the 500th one

>>2547798
but I am, drawing from my shoulder, i can't stop making them curve like a oval

>>2547781
look at the video in the beginners essentials in the sticky.

>>2547794
Well if something is glossy that means it has a higher amount of specular reflections happening. There's two types of way an object can reflect light--specular and diffuse--and they both are separate processes that happen simultaneously on top of each other.

Specular reflections depend on the position of the light source and the position of the viewer, as well as the angle of the plane being hit with light. So a highly specular object MAY have brighter reflected light in the shadow, and may not, it really depends on the angles.

>So, a matte, white sphere under one light source with some ambient and reflected light from the table will as a rule of thumb never have any bounce light the same value (as bright) as on the other side of the shadow zone. Correct?
What are you asking? If the reflected light in the shadow will ever be as bright as any area in the light? If the object is matte, then no it will always be a bit darker since it receives less light. Think about it, the light areas are getting hit directly with photons from the light source. Any area of reflected light is caused by photons hitting an object, having some be absorbed, and then some be reflected. So fewer photons will hit the final area in the shadow. Any time an object is hit with light it will absorb some amount of photons. Even the best mirror in existence isn't 100% reflective.

http://www.huevaluechroma.com/
This site talks about light in a very good way and dispels some common errors that are made in art instruction about it. It can be a bit technical and dry, but is a great resource.

>>2547802
Either you're unconsciously still moving your wrist or you move your shoulder in an oval motion. It's probably the wrist thing. Again, all this is overcome by juyst PRACTICING

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>>2547617
could be!

At the risk of sounding overbearing I wouldn't say I'm a beginner, but I literally cannot wrap my head around drawing braids. How do the people do it

>>2547805

Thanks again, that's really helpful. I've always relied on just painting until it looks good, and I've got a decent eye for value, but I've recently attempted to be a bit more structured when painting and it helps to keep things more coherent.
I've looked at that site before and was a bit turned off by the dry writing but I'll give it another go.

>>2547830
Funny, I did the opposite where I started very mechanically and went fully into the technical side of things where I went to understand all the mechanics of materials and lighting, and now I am pushing away from that to try to go on intuition more.

In any case, a technical knowledge is a good thing to fall back upon when there is something that doesn't look right in a painting.

If you just read through the first few chapters on that site and then do a few still lifes and master copies you should have a reasonable understanding of light.

>>2547819
have you ever tried braiding someones hair in real life? perhaps that would help

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I drew this mouse

>>2547085
jannies are purging the board

>>2547863
you might want to turn on pressure for your eraser as well

>>2547945
holy shit you just rocked my world, thank you

>>2547863
Isn't that a rat?

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Sight size study

>>2547994
>>2547994
>>2547994

NEW THREAD

>>2547994
>>2547994
>>2547994

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Any crit before I go into more details?

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oh shit waddup
opinions?