/beg/ - BEGINNER THREAD

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Is this good enough to make money off a porn patreon? it is my dream

it will be futa only ofc

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>>2551974
keep drawing

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Stumbling my way through Draw a Box. I really hate learning around a job, as I get lazy in the evening and never give as much time to an exercise as I should.

At the same time I feel like doing one attempt at an exercise over a few days instead of in a sitting isn't a great idea either.

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drew this by the lake today. I have no idea what I'm doing, so if anyone can see what kind of advice I need based on this drawing, that would be great.

Are there any books out there that cover the facial fat pads? All I get from google are poorly drawn images and nasty gore/dissections. I checked many different art/anatomy books. No luck so far.

I'm a total scrub with access to a cintiq13hd. I've been messing around with it for a bit, but it's nowhere near as comfortable as drawing straight to paper. There's wobble inherent to my lines that typically isn't present when I draw traditionally. Rotating the canvas is nowhere near as immediate or intuitive as turning a page in reality.

Any advice on working around this?

>>2551958
how are you so on top of your game?

>>2552084
how much you willing to sell it for?

>>2552048
Should probably actually draw what you're seeing instead of using hatching in place.

>>2552087
bout three fiddy

>>2552090
im legitimately willing to pay 350 if you arent meming.

>>2552089
good point. the hatching started as I got frustrated cause it is impossible to draw every single tree. This is partly what I was hoping to get an answer to. Are you a noob, parroting the general advice in here, or do you actually know what you're talking about?

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>>2551967

>>2552160
symbols etc

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Any critique is welcome.
Also what I still don't understand is the pelvis, any tips are appreciated.

>>2552178

Flat, disproportionate, and messy

IMO, you should hold off on the anatomy studies until you can copy accurately from figure construction books. Accurate, clean drawing, and measuring technique should be your primary concern. Stick to books like Keys to Drawing and work through the exercises in there to build your dexterity and train your eye. If you want to do studies, choose simple subjects and focus on accurately portraying their form 3-dimensionally. Look at Perspective Made Easy as well. Anatomy is an advanced subject, don't put the cart before the horse.

>>2552250

I'm probably coming off a little harsh, on second thought. They're not terrible, just very messy looking, which threw me off. A good deal more patience during your drawing process may be enough. If you really can't do them clean though, you might just want to stick with easier stuff for a couple months.

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Main focus was painting since I have little to no experience in that.

>>2552332

look at your god damn reference.

>>2552356
Where else did I look mate?

>>2552332
You're supposed to avoid symbolism anon, not goes balls deep.

>>2552332
anon personally i am very disappointed that you were not able to perfectly copy your reference image like everyone else here

very disappointed

go home and think about what you haven't done

>>2552250
Thank you for the tips.

>>2552332

You need to do the upside-down stravinsky. During a drawing you should be thinking of negative shapes, distances, angles, form. You drew symbols that 'look like' what's in the reference, but you didn't actually draw what was in the reference as it appears. This is just a simple knowledge problem everyone has when they first start to draw.

If you haven't read the sticky yet, read the fucking sticky. Get Keys to Drawing and work through that as well.

As a beginner you should be doing drawings of objects, still life. You know, fruit bowls, vases, flowers, that kind of shit. Whatever objects you have around, even a tissue box can be surprisingly difficult to render for a beginner.

Part of the problem with drawing figures and portraits is the overwhelming amount of subtlety and complexity which clashes against our instinctive symbolic recognition of human features. You think you know what these things look like, but you've never actually memorized the forms of the skull, the torso, the forms of the underlying muscles, the structure of the eyes, lips, etc. Even just basic proportion and landmarks have to be studied and memorized through simplified mannequins. Fundamental knowledge of form, perspective, and value are also very important in portraying likeness correctly.

You can keep trying to draw people, just try to understand that there's a hell of a lot to learn if you want it to really look right, and that if you want to get some real progress right now, you're better off drawing things that aren't going to be too much to swallow, you know?

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>>2552048
The other anon is definitely a noob

You seem to be in the middle of making the switch from drawing lines to drawing values.
It is perfectly fine to use hatching to imply trees in the background. In fact, I think that your sketch would look better without your attempts to draw in every single little tree.
This helps to separate the backround from the foreground, add contrast, and guides the viewer's eye.
Hatching would also work great for other excruciating details such as grass or leaves.

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i don't really draw too much. never bothered to finish it. took some art course back in highschool. been maybe 6 years since I actually sat down and drew something.

pls no bully

give whatever critique regardless, i want to improve. all i do is play videogames and id like to get back into drawing.

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>>2551967

>>2552487
keys to drawing

>>2552487
shading looks kinda neat
proportions look kinda wonky but maybe thats just how the head itself looks

some things are uneven/off center

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Drawing torsos.

>>2552568
I'm guessing you don't do drawabox. Not that it matters much. I would prefer when you post pics to do in bulks, because one of these don't show much. If there were 10 torsos, could help out more in what you need.

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>>2551967
fucked up this one pretty bad. eyes are way off, too droopy and the pupils aren't quite right. might be too small, not level as well. mouth is more angular. getting back into the swing of things. "figure drawing for all it's worth" is coming in the mail tomorrow so i'll be practicing more than i am.

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just fuck my shit up fampai

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Got inspired from the actual art in the draw thread with that fox. All and any crits.

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JUST

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>>2552623
Also, is pic related aesthetically pleasing to anyone? I'm terrible with color theory and graphic design, any tips on those fronts are strongly welcomed.

>>2552633
its face is a butt

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Should I just give up and kill myself knowing I'm a shit artist?

>download keys to drawing
>every single exercise in the beginning made up the Drawing I class I took in the fall
were those credits even worth it?

>>2552664
I wholeheartedly agree. It should be a crime to see this visual diarrhea.

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>>2551958
I don't ever draw but I tried to draw an apple

>>2552677
Thanks.

>>2552664
It's shit.

Kill yourself.

>>2552443
Ohh, this makes a lot of sense. All i've been doing is outlines in my figure drawings not shading. I think i'll get my lines accurate before i start shading though.

>>2552443
I don't really understand this pic much. Is it bad that I find the "not good" images fine?

>>2552605
Paint hair 50 times in your notebook.

>>2552390
The paper

>>2552679
Looks like a peach, never gonna make it.

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Went through Loomis figure drawing and searched Bo staff on google for some practice.

>>2552748
How long have you been figure drawing, anon?

>>2552750
Loomis for only a week.
The rest have been from whatever internet reference images I could find with fan art of whatever as a reference.

>>2552752
>only a week
>looks that good already
Time to step up my game.

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>>2551970
The text is a bother to be honest.

Also, I want those big strong arms to carry me out of a burning building.

>>2552768
I'd check your negative spaces just a little more often

Do you just draw contours? Or do you construct with a method?

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First time I've drawn in a really long time. Obviously I lost patience but should I keep going or turn my back on drawing?

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>>2552795
>should I keep going or turn my back on drawing?

holy kek if you have to ask this just give it up

>>2552795
What >>2552797 said
Of course /ic/ will tell you to give the fuck up
We don't need losers up here with us

>>2552084
i have a 13hd and was in the same mindset as you. just force yourself to use it and get comfortable with how it feels. at first i hated how it feels like drawing on glass, not feeling the texture of paper etc. but you get used to it and everything becomes more intuitive. give yourself a month or so of using it every day and it should become close enough to your experience with paper that it won't get in the way of drawing. and it's definitely worth it, because you get to open a whole world of tools, digital painting and some cheeky ctrl-z action

>>2552443
That explains it! I'm looking forward to trying this out. thanks!

>>2552756
kek

dont do this to him anon

>>2552706
Noob here. The not good images are fine, but they lack the feel of 3d objects. they're flat opposed to the shaded forms of the other examples. So you'll lose depth by using just lines and drawing details. Also, in many cases, it is impossible to draw every detail in an object, so you need something more effective.

Also, they say you should start with the big forms and divide them into smaller ones. wait a sec there was this vid on this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_DSE4J3X8U

watch that.

>>2552886
Thanks man. Simple but explained a lot.

>>2552526
I like it, got blog?

>>2552792
I try to get the proportions right first, which is why my realistic figures tend to look a bit stiff I guess.
Then I draw the more fixed large shapes I see(biceps, top of the leg, shape of forehead) and then fill in details. Shading is my enemy and I often cheat by trying to imagine where the light would hit.

Thanks for your response.

>>2551980
>>2551983
>>2551985
This stuff reminds me of some stuff I saw at my school many years ago.
http://www.elcamino.edu/faculty/hstorms/docs/HaydenAnatomy.pdf
Thankfully she put it up on the web.

>>2551980
Can someone explain this a little better? I kind of get it when I'm doing figures, but at times it feels like I have to do symmetrical lines. I assume that means it should always be asymmetrical and I just don't see it yet.

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Implying that my notebook sketch isn't cringy, I keep fucking up the digital part. I guess I should practice and watch a lot of fucking tutorials on Youtube.

When you did 17 years of doodles and never used any kind of paint it's pretty hard to get the fuck out my comfort zone.

>>2552986
It's pretty obvious what people will tell you to do before going digital, so I suggest you go and do them.

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is this good? this is the first detailed sketch ive done in a while so im a bit rusty. how does the hair look?

>>2552798
>WE< dont need losers up here with >US<

Holy shit, you sound super delusional
Quality attitude

Inb4 becoming super narcissistic and thinks he is /ic/

>>2552534
what can i learn from that book? I'm at work and cannot download anything here.

>>2552535
proportions are taken directly from the Floral Shoppe album cover. Tried my best. Didnt fuck with the hair though. Is the shading really "okay"? I'm terrible with shading simple things. I always have trouble blending anything without using my finger. I either draw too dark or too light, and never seem to catch the subtle differences in lighting.

Since i don't want to shit up the thread with multiple images i'll just link my imgur album:

https://imgur.com/a/eXaRM

Any critique is welcomed about the kanye copy.
Problems i identified so far after finishing:
shape of hand(obviously),direction of head,line that marks the left cheek is not at the right place resulting in a more puffy facial structure
Though i started 5 days ago.So i might be able to make it.
.

>>2553063
Continue with the simple shapes, do hundreds. Than try objects. You seem to have no control over your lines yet at all. The point is not to just draw them, the point is to understand how and why something looks 3d while it is 2d.

trying to build some visual library for mechs in the future

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>>2553081
oop. resized

>>2553086
You're not a beginner.

>>2552163
Have you got some more useful feedback? I'm not complaining, you don't owe me anything but I'm here for advice not parroted vague concepts.

>>2552526
Good attempt, looks like you struggled with the chin too. Great eyes and nose though, do you spend a lot more time on them?

>>2553069
Thanks for the feedback.
What shapes?As that's something loomis book(fun with pencil) lacks in my opinion.Like draw 50 faces out of the circles or something.So far i drew only what you saw.

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>>2551967
cant get the fucking shading right no matter how much i try.

not attempting hair right now.

>>2553106

>>2552430

>>2553140

>take picture upright
>saves rotated
>rotate picture, save upright
>uploads rotated

kill me

>>2553145
Why don't y'all niggas just upload it from your computer

>>2553148

I don't own a scanner and I don't feel like spending money on one. If I did, I still wouldn't have any room for it.

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I' back to the /beg/ cause i'm shit
Here is some study

>>2553140

can i get some critique on this pls.

>LOOMIS
>O
>O
>M
>I
>S

>>2553084
me likey!

>>2553119
What I mean is try to focus on simpeler things first, humans are very complicated. Try cilinders, cubes, balls. You can do something you like, a nice mug for example or a beautiful lamp. If you have a petting zoo or a farm nearby I'd definitely go there and draw some chickens and rabbits.

>>2553258

Recommending a beginner going to a zoo to draw moving animals is retarded.

Do fruits, bowls, literally anything that is stationary.

>>2553258
>>2553258
All right.Thanks for the advice.
Should i continue with the book or just grind different objects.
Also where is the point where i could advance because i got good enough?

>>2552605
looks like she was stung by a bee on the left side of her face

>>2552664
No you should try to tackle your self confidence issues and keep pushing forward to new intuitive breakthroughs.

Think about it this way. The worse you are the more obvious and low level and easy the mistakes are. So its easy to fix them.

And when you are close to being good, the mistakes keeping you from being REALLY GOOD are still easy to fix because you're still already pretty good anyways and have way less mistakes to fix than when you were bad.

The better you get the less mistakes you have to fix. It gets easier to get good over time. Not harder. Think about it like a snowball effect. Eventually you'll be rolling and things will be clicking and you won't be able to do anything else but draw really damn good pictures all the time.

Don't give up.

>>2552748
you should focus more on proportions anon

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What does this face convey?
Any details i should change?

trying to make him like a living greek statue

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A lot of things wrong, but posting it anyways cause why not?

>>2553377
"Look into my eyes, young one. There is candy in my van."

>>2553189
Aye keep it going boss

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>>2551971

>>2553437
i like how you made her breasts bigger

her spine didn't curve back quite as far in your drawing, her hip goes more to the right than her armpit on the ref and on yours its to the left

>>2553371
I appreciate the sentiment but its hard to stay motivated when you have shit tier work.

But thanks anyway.

>>2553466
Just give it up and leave. We don't need this loser talk in here.

>>2553469
Alright.

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What u guys think? Wip

>>2553472
F

I remember a couple years back some anon had an archive collection of all of Villpu's video lessons. Does any kind anon have/know where I can access it? thanks anon, we'll all make it, etc...

>>2552664
Your work is good. Is that what you wanted to hear you self depricating fuck?

Stop whining and keep at it. Why is it tons of you always have to pull the muh depression waaaah card?

>>2553466
To be fair my post is talking out of my ass and you're leagues better than me. I'm brand new to this and I really shouldn't be predicting how easy this is going to be. Sorry.

I do firmly believe that improvement is going to be much harder though if you make it hard for yourself like this because of all the unnecessary emotional obstacles you give yourself to deal with. I think it is necessary for you to start getting more positive about things for your skill to get good. Thats just my take though.

>>2553469
We shouldn't be telling other people to give up or leave. Come on man.

>>2553489
I guess so, its just hard to remain positive but I guess that's something I'll just have to deal with.

Thanks.

>>2553474
How fucking stupid are some of you guys that you don't even know how to resize and rotate a fucking image?

Jesus Christ.

>>2552664
just stop photobashing

>>2553503
I was experimenting.

Probably more of a hinderance in leanring but I wanted to try it out.

>>2553448
thanks for the help!
And yes I made her breasts bigger because I'm practicing drawing porn and stylizing certain 'aspects' :^)

>>2553502
some phones do that
you take a picture rotate apply changes and upload it to 4chan and its still not rotated

>>2553502
Literally beginners.

>>2553331
Anyone?

>>2553519
Find your own way, anon. That's the only way you'll make it. You can't always ask other people because they won't always give you an answer.

>>2553525
>You can't always ask other people because they won't always give you an answer.

Nah, its more like you can't ask because everyone on /ic/ is so far up there own ass that unless you're got tier and a old master painter nobody cares.

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Decided to buckle down and tackle the DrawABox course. This is my seventh page on the superimposed 8-inch and I'm not sure if I'm getting anywhere or if I should move on to the next stuff.

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>>2553377
Here's a bigger version.

Any tips would be really helpful

>>2553525
That's not the answer i was looking for but oh well.

>>2553590
Goos enough, move on. You'lll improve in time. Go to lesson 2 or head on to the 250 box challenge. It will help you greatly if you did it.

>>2553593
Damn, man. You're not really a beginner.

Go to the draw thread.

>>2553610
>tfw he sees himself so low and believes he's still a beginner
The standards in this place sometimes...

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>>2553617
Concept pieces I did for some project.

I'm still a beginner but wouldn't mind some critique.

>>2553633
Oops, didn't mean to respond to someone.

>>2553635
You knew what you were doing.

>>2553641
Look, I know it comes across that way but really it was an accident.

I was going to respond to you with a comment but then realized I want critique on something. My bad.

>>2553617
>>2553610
Yo, only past experience with this were shitty TF2 comissions for half a year and gave up because it was too much pressure at once.
I think i've only finished around 6 drawings on computer.
I just wan't advice, it really feels off for me at the moment

>>2553646
I am a complete shitter but i think the starting line of half of the body is a bit left sided compared to the middle of the chin/face.

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>>2553652
It really does look like it in the image i posted,
If it looks like that in this one too it really is left sided then.

>>2553666
Yeah it only seemed like that.Sorry i can't give you any advice.

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Please send help

>>2553670
No problem man. It most likely not be finished anyways

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>>2551967
What went wrong?

>>2553693
Need to walk before you can run anon.

Read the sticky and learn construction.

>>2552916
Nope, this is a very fresh start to art for me. Been at least 4 years since I drew anything...

>>2553116
Yes, I spent a lot of time on the eyes in particular. Not being able to capture the symmetry was killing me.

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>>2553693
Unless you've hit your paper budget for the month you can draw a little bigger you know

>>2553732
>drawing on lined paper
There's a good chance, he's hit his budget.

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>>2551967

I would like another set of eyes to look at this before I take it a little further. I'm iffy on her shoulders, not sure WHY tho. What else am I missing than that?

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Audrey from the old thread
Critique plz

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>>2553769
Reference

>>2553769
Symbols & chicken scratch

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Any advise? I felt like a made her a little too stocky, but i'm not sure how to prevent that while still conveying anatomy.

>>2553803
That's one good looking model.

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>>2553810
Be professional anon, post her on >>>/s/ if you want to jerk off to her

Here's the original pic if you want to... er... "reference" her

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Pls critique.

>>2553803
She looks stocky because you aren't properly conveying the anatomy. Look at the area between her left arm her hip/side area and compare it to your own drawing. You drew the bottom half of her torso way too small and the same with her head.

>>2553769
>>2553770
It's just my personal opinion but i'd stick to using tradition medium (paper & pencil) and wait until you've mastered that before moving on to using a tablet (or worse, a mouse.)

Other than that, you're still drawing symbols, and you seem to be doing chicken scratch. For the first problem, do a few exercises like the upside-down stravinsky and work on your construction and linework more (it's best not to jump straight into shading.) For the second, train yourself to draw longer, smoother lines without lifting your pencil, making sure to move your hand from the shoulder rather than the wrist. It'll take some getting sued to, and won't feel very natural, but if you remember to consciously correct yourself every now and then you'll start to see vast improvement in cleanliness.

Also, remember to resize your pictures. 1000x1000 or lower should be fine. And it wouldn't hurt to add your reference next to your work, pretty much the easiest thing to do in photoshop or gimp.

>>2553832
Ah, I see that now. I really didn't even bother with her head, I've been trying to avoid drawing those in detail. ...and hands. ...and feet.

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I really want to be able to draw from imagination. If I keep photocopying will I reach that point?

>>2553845
generally artists tend to do studies of real-world examples before working on something fictional

For instance, you might study various knight's armors before drawing a fictional one

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>>2551971

I too don't want to shit up the thread with all my bullshit. This is my drawing regiment so far two weeks in. please crit http://theartregiment.blogspot.com/

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Anyone know any good guides for drawing more cartoony styles? I'm not talking anime, more like pic related. I'm still interested in fine art stuff but i also want to explore styles like pic related

>>2553838
The only problem is that I'm actually allergic to graphite.... I'm not even kidding and it's a huge handicap.

I get what you mean though. I did the upside down stravinsky already and it wasn't all that bad. I don't get what symbol drawing is.I put my reference under my lines and it was actually pretty accurate and the shape was pretty good, While I was dressing I tried to find the shapes and the lines yet it still is symbol drawing.
For the chicken scratch though, you're right.

>>2553899
Can you use ink?

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>>2551983
>>2551985

>>2553902
I guess I can, but isn't it a bit harder?

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>>2553899
Even better. Use ink. Get a felt-tip pen like pic related. It's tough to get used to not using an eraser, but you'll be better for it

>>2553883
>>/aasg/

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>>2553698
>>2553732
grats

>>2553908
Not necessarily. You just learn to be more careful with your lines. Drawabox is all about using ink and it teaches you very well in doing so.

>>2553922
>give someone advice
>bait

Kek, stay salty.

>>2553924
Thank you. I'll look into that.
Until I go out and buy pens though, I'll stay digital. Any tips for a begginer on a tablet?

>>2553925
I think the joke's supposed to be anons took the bait by taking his post seriously

>>2551958
I'd like to see a beginner thread with lots of infographics on different types of construction of the face and misc anatomy.

>>2553940
You mean the legendary reverse reverse bait?

Damn, who's baiting who?

>>2553941
But you could just study faces for all of that.

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>>2553943
I was going to say "it was just a first-layer bait to begin with" but I'm not even sure anymore.

>>2553961
Oh shit.

>>2553945
faces are different

>post art 2 times
>no one critiques

>>2554025
Welcome to the beginner threads

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>>2553803
Tried again. This time i included my construction stage in case my problem is more fundamental than i think.

>>2553920
oh fuck

thanks anon

>>2554025
Best way to get a critique is to wait for someone to compliment your art then someone will come around and tell you how shit it is.

>>2553680
Take your time and look at the proportions of the image youre trying to draw. Really spend time in measuring the facial features. Or spend time in an antomy book while you draw the girl so you can get an understanding of what youre doing

>>2553743
>>2553828
Study face anatomy some more fampai

>>2553877
Maybe look into gestures some more. Since its a beginner thread I wont nag about anatomy; but study some anatomy while you study gestures

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Is this good linework for pokemon? Im learning the style just in my free time. Not too involved in it

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>>2554403
>learning the style

I'm intrigued. Is that face a decoy for the actual face where he is looking up and breathing fire? Or is that just the top of his head?

>>2554407
:^)

>>2554407
Yes.

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rip me apart

Should I enable Force Proportions for my wacom tablet?

>>2554423
Did you base it off a photo or something? You should practice on the form first and then incorporate texture. Its a good try though. I can see youre trying

>>2553899
>it's a huge handicap
Fuck outta here with that bullshit. Use charcoal pencils or ink pens. No excuses

>can't watch regular porn without taking mental notes

>>2554454
I meant in life in general.
Who the hell doesn't use graphite?

I thought ink pens weren't recommended and I've always avoided charcoal, I guess I'm scared it'll do a reaction again.

>>2554379
Put this in the wiki

>>2552989
No it isn't. Could you tell me?

>>2554500
You should consciously think like this in as many aspects of your life as you can.

>>2553593
Fix the shape of the thumb, make the forearm slimmer and the head is too small.

>>2554567
Tip of the thumb* (distal phalange, look those anatomy courses came in handy).

>>2554446
Yes.

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All done from reference

>>2553482
You don't understand anon. I can only receive validation from the internet.

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Is there a source for cheap unlined notebooks, like pic related? I just want some shitty paper notebooks to doodle in, otherwise I end up doodling on, loose leaf printer paper. I can't afford real high quality drawing paper sketchbooks for doodling.

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I used to draw a lot as a kid but my imagination seemingly died in middle school so I never really draw anymore. I kinda wanted to get back into drawing recently. I was listening to a song and was kind of inspired with an idea for a music video and I turned said idea into a drawing. I know it's shit but I felt like sharing. The scale and placement of everything is beyond fucked up but I managed to capture the general feeling I had in mind.

>>2554623
Ideas are there but the execution is not.

Sticky.

>>2554624
Some of the faults were caused by me not really thinking about what I wanted to draw before I drew it. For instance, I drew the left shoe first, realized how it just looked like a blob, then thought about what a shoe actually would look like and then I drewill the right one which in my opinion is way better. I will admit most of the faults in the picture are due to my lack of skill/practice. I really do appreciate your input, so thanks. I definitely plan on reading the sticky.

So, I just finished the 250 box challenge from draw a box, and since the author of the challenge isn't giving critiques this month, I've decided to ask you guys what you think, since I'm so tired of boxes I can't even look at them right anymore.

They're wonky and my lines aren't great, but I really did my best, and spent a good 1 to 2 hours on each page, trying my best to visualize them and make them look right. Looking at it now, they look pretty bad; the author did say we were meant to roughly guess perspective, which I did, but I don't think I did a terribly good job at it. I did go look at what others have done, and a part of me tells me that it's not that much better than what I did, but the rest of me still thinks I fucked up somewhat. Someone here told me I should go and study perspective a bit more, but I wanted to finish this first without doing so, since I thought the inexperience was a bit of the essence of the challenge.

As a bit of context, I'm very new to this, and I have been doing draw-a-box lessons (the first one) for about two weeks or so, and I've been drawing cubes and boxes for about one week (I must've drawn more than 1000 by now, and they still don't look great). I've been drawing about 3-6 hours a day this last week.

I'm still pretty proud of it though, don't get me wrong, it gave me a good chance of using thicker lines along with thin lines, and I think it did improve my lines a little, even if it doesn't show (at the end of it, I was focusing more on the boxes themselves rather than the lines, maybe a mistake.)

Anyway: http://imgur.com/a/nJfGi

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study from the older thread

>>2554569
>>2554567
I don't plan on it being human but yeah the thumb is a bit wanky

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>>2551967
I was working at an angle so everything is off

>>2554643

It's good effort and those pages look nice in terms of proportions (so that's a big plus), but point of this challenge is explained in first sentence:

>This is a great bit of practice for those who are having trouble with estimating perspective, or understanding the difference between a form that is solid and weighty, and one that is flimsy and unsubstantial.

It's good to remind yourself why are you doing something like this to not loose focus.

>my lines aren't great but I did my best

It's ok, developing good linework is often a lifetime of pursuit. I see few problems though:

First, you nearly always go around to thicken outside lines of a box that make its silhouette. You can do this, but very lightly. I would skip the step altogether at the beginning.

IMHO it would be better if you'd first draw box with using only one line connecting the corners. If you'd miss the line by huge margin, try again, but really, limit yourself to restating line once. Do ghosting of the lines. If you made mistake in one part and there's 2 lines where there should be only 1, don't go around whole box and thicken lines around for it to look nicer. Mistakes should be left out and not hidden.

Only after drawing a box with single lines go for thickening lines - selected ones. See what drawabox guy says about lineweights:

http://i.imgur.com/8EAASAY.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/5AIOAIR.jpg

See what he does - he usually only thickens 2 or 3 lines. You usually thicken 6 lines.

Good intuition that you usually don't thicken internal lines.

Another thought: what can you do after drawing a box with single lines is to draw outside it a thin arrow indicating the direction of light source. This would help you choose the proper lines facing away from the light to thicken them.

Remember: less is more.

>>2554668

Afterthought: try doing that exercise where you rotate box in 1 point perspective. It's hard exercise, but really helps a lot. It's seen in Figure 3.15 and Figure 3.16 in part 3 of Lesson 1 on drawabox. You will learn much more from that exercise about perspective.

Also following one "organic perspective boxes". Try drawing 25-30 different boxes.

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>>2554668
I must admit that I was much more focused on perspective (perhaps out of frustration by the end, since none of the boxes seemed to come out right), but I should've taken more time and focused on everything else.

>thickening
Yeah, I see how I went a bit overboard with it. I'll try using it more sparsely and cleanly next time. And you're right, while I did only darken the boxes after they were completely done, I did use the darker lines to hide mistakes a few times.

>>2554669
Are you talking about these on the right? I did a lot of those, and that exercice really helped me. Maybe I should do more of them with other kinds of boxes instead of cubes too, but for now I think I'll head to lesson 2, just to rest from boxes for a while. I'll maybe try a book that focuses more on perspective to help me with this as well.

I'm a bit too impatient with my lines. I do ghost, but not enough. It's weird, because I can easily spend 7 minutes ghosting a line when that's what I'm focusing on, but when I'm drawing cubes I just focus too little on the line; it kind of goes back to what you were saying about the mistakes, I often get incomplete shapes, and I even blame some of the perspective issues with a few of the boxes due to my lines not going where I want them to go.

Beginner here. The sticky doesn't suggest learning how light and shadows work to the point to where you can predict and plan how light and shadows are going to behave on the form you're drawing.

They say to just keep drawing and over time that kind of stuff with the lighting and etc just starts to make sense. I disagree with this. Instead of fumbling around to make sense of what light and shadows are doing why not study this separately until light/shadow makes sense to you?

Your light and shadows have to be behaving correctly for your colors to behave correctly. Otherwise the color is being represented by a law of light that isn't true and it will look off.

In fact you need light and shadow knowledge to make any 3d form appear 3d.

>>2554686
Well not to appear 3d but you know what I mean. To fully flesh out the picture and make it look right

>>2554684

Yes, I was thinking about those exercises. You have good approach to things, remember to divert from exercise or change something when it will bore you or become too tedious. Like say, drawing stick figure/gesture drawing and then filling it with boxes alongside the lines so it will resemble very simplified manequin.

You don't also have to ghost lines for so long, it's not necessary. It's more important to keep initial proportions in check and place points where it have to start and end accordingly. So instead of 7 minutes of ghosting line you can spend additional minute or 2 to measure the distance and then start ghosting. Again, if you do it for too long it means you aren't confident enough, if you do it too fast you are sloppy. Just break yourself mentally at some point allow a room for mistake.

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Always have trouble drawing the female form like most people and get discouraged to draw anything afterwards, is this any good? I feel like it is passable but i doubt myself too much and am unsure at times.

Why is drawing curved forms so goddamn difficult? For the life of me I can not draw anything that comes close to an arm, head, etc. I don't know why the hell it's so fucking hard.

I try to draw a head? It comes out lopsided, etc.

Is there anything I can do to help get around this shit?

>>2554590
:3

>>2554724
Drawing more of them.

>>2554684

Oh and btw, that exercise on the right, if you will be coming back to it you can try doing it with triangular prisms and generally other prisms, boxes with sides that are inclined towards base and not orthogonal etc.

Slowly up the difficulty, but keep shapes simple.

>>2554741

Drawing more of something does nothing if you continue to draw them wrong.

Practicing something the wrong way just makes you draw it the wrong way more.

>>2554724

Draw curves as part of the ellipses and draw ellipses in boxes/rectangles. See Scott Robertson for construction.

>>2554761

will I eventually get to not needing to do that? Thats what I had originally considered doing, drawing a cubed version of said object first, then doing the curved portions. But I figured that was a bad way of doing it if I wanted to get good at doing it without doing that.

But if I had to start out doing it that way I will.

>>2554764
work on your lighting more

>>2554722
it looks stiff and awkward. stand in that pose tell me you don't feel silly. id suggest looking at real female bodies and breaking them down into manageable areas of studies

such as : the torso ( your breast look flat)

good luck , and come back with them studies. I wanna see progress

>>2552605
stop rushing and look at reference. this thing is sad attempt at completion. did you learn anything?

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>>2551967
Second attempt
Now actually working at the right angle

So, when I draw I tend to sit on a chair over a table diagonally, with my paper also diagonal so that it's straight to me (if that makes sense)

is this bad posture and is there some other way I should be sitting?

What is the /ic/ approved method of drawing faces?

>>2554769

You know, there are also tools for curves, nothing wrong with using those:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rWHoFY8CPE

What can I say - drawing curves/ellipsies is most dificult thing you will do and people struggle with those.

Remember also how you construct some curves. For example when you draw variations of parabola you can mark 3 points through which the parabola will pass and when you will be drawing it and need to rest/stop for a moment, don't stop in the point but after or before it.

Also the larger you draw, the easier it is to use elbow and shoulder in drawing and not wrist.

im bad. I've been bad for a while. I realize I am a beginner and so my main focus is basic geometric shapes, perspective, light and values, and basic gestures. I've gone through Betty's Right Side of the Brain, a few DrawABox lessons and Fun with a Pencil. Great beginner resources, but I'm still bad. I believe my problem lies within my quantity, but I've been at fundamentals for quite some time, it's constantly burning me out. I don't feel ready to tackle on more complex topics, and my "art" would reflect that. I filled a sketchbook with basic shapes alone, yet they are still bad and they took many hours of practice. Do I keep churning out basic practice, or should I be moving onto other things?

>>2554819
do facial feature studies, like 100 lips and so on.

really helps with portraiture.

>>2554950

Well, you can do middle ground. You already have knowledge of basic shapes, only need to refine those, so why not apply your knowledge?

Get stuff that you have on your desk and try breaking them using your basic shapes. You can try keys, standing lamps, internet access point, vases...whatever.

You can take home appliances: iron, blender, food processor, hairdryer and draw them.

Life drawing mang. Keep it interesting. Also "Keys to Drawing" by Dodson explains this shit a bit, just jump into drawing. Your fundamentals are for supplying your stuff.

Also you can try drawing stick figures/gestures of people from photographs/magazines, and then fill them with your basic shapes - cyllinders or boxes.

Try doing stuff that would be different, keep it interesting - but apply what you already learned.

>>2554423
How about stop being a negative nancy and keep practicing? You aren't THAT bad, if you just keep going you'll be good.

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>>2553906
first time drawing a tree with leaves as forms

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i have a little ptsd from posting on /ic/ because i got roasted last time i did but here i go. this picture is kinda old tho

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>>2551967

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I'm not too great with shading, can you tell me how I did on my d'orc

>>2553883
>gains weight after 13 years
>loses it again by 19

>>2552664
looks great but horizon line is off on the right side

>>2555030
very art

>>2555041
make your darks darker

>>2555115
???

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I just started browsing IC like a month ago, what can I do to improve?

>>2555129
it's more art than not art

>>2555093
Yeah I thought so, I'm still messing around with it.

>>2555134
use guidelines.

>>2555210
thankss, any tips or sources on wich ones are the best?

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>>2554806
So I tried out using this body as a reference and here is how it came out. Hands on the right were just trying angles of hands out.

>>2554562
Read the sticky you dense fuck.

>>2554924
As long as you're looking at your refs head on, it shouldn't matter. Just do what's comfortable

>>2555040
How did you fuck up this much. Don't even worry about shading, learn construction first.

>>2555227
well first off i want to say that you should just draw a lot more. to me your pictures have that "beginner" feel which will just go away as you draw more and start thinking about what you are doing. read the loomis books and read keys to drawing.

>>2551974
b8

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>>2551967

>>2555227
>the best
There's no objective best choice. Just study as many as you can and the right one for you will find you. I reccomend starting from Loomis, and using the sticky and art book threads to find more.

>>2555282
Thank you I'll practise more!

>>2555289
Okay! I have some books around but never bothered to use them but will look into them more. I used to draw a lot of anime so I'm trying to get rid of horrible bodies. I'll look into loomis too

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How do I get better at rendering

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mine is ok?
what can i improve?
some tips for future training?

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>>2551967
first time trying this, didn't think it was this hard.

>>2555305
don't sign

sticky

>>2555297
this, i need the answer help

>>2555297
Well first off you should be doing some blending, you have no soft edges here. Using both soft and hard edges in your shadows is important for defining the form and lighting.

>>2554386
not me

>>2555250
Most of the upper body is okay, but there's a very distinct curve in both of her legs that you're missing in your drawing. Try laying them over one another in Photoshop or something and you'll see what I mean.

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ive been trying to do figure drawing
but i feel really clueless while doing it
and my lines dont feel flowy/look flowy
also i dont really feel like im learning anything
does anyone have tips?

>>2554502
Places like drawabox recommend ink because you can't erase. It teaches you to be more confident with lines. I take it your allergic reactions are bad?

>>2555656
honestly they dont look bad. the main problem could be that you arent used to figure drawing so it seems weird. just keep figuee drawing and you will become more comfortable

>>2555656
cute

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I just want to draw fantasy creatures.

I dont understand "clean lines" things honestly look better to me when theres 2-3 lines where one should be
one line looks plain and fake for some reason

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My first go with copic's and multiliners

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need help

>>2554975
Thanks. I seem to get fixated on resources and while I do copy from them and attempt to apply them, I stop there and don't attempt to apply them elsewhere.

>>2554619
Why would you want high quality paper for doodling? Use some damn printer paper.

>>2554764

Needs more contrast, push those values

>>2555816
Axe handles are generally straight. You need to define the right wrist, it's not Lego.

>>2555816
Emma? She's got the body of a man; make her skinnier, make the head bigger, and the hands smaller. And muddy colors; push your values and use more saturation.

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How do I escape the cartoon meme
Don't normally come here, but what do you think brothers?

>>2555951

Stylize less? Make lines more busy and less clean? Add lighting that actually makes sense?

>>2555820

Yeah, that's actually common. Point is to get a balance of studying and grinding and doing your own stuff that will be fun.

(Studies can be nice though, like before doing painting you make color studies with simple blocks of color to feel how they will feel in your chosen composition. Same with figure drawing, if it bores you try doing series that have same theme or are like animation/next frames of a film)

>>2555030
Tastes like tumblr

>>2556021
i made a tumblr last year but i havent posted on it in a while. the stuff i make now isnt like the stuff i made then

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Should I keep drawing an object even though I have screwed up badly and it seems like a waste of time to continue?

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>>2556046
Here is the object itself

>>2556046
Yes, cause you suck at them. You aren't drawing what you see correctly and this carries on to everything else.

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>>2555656

Vilppu helped me a lot with figures, I like his approach, you first learn gesture, then spherical forms, then box forms, etc. I would suggest you look at his videos as it's easier than just going with the book alone (he practically covers the same exact things that appear on his "drawing manual")

Right now what it lacks the most, at least for me, is some cross contours to indicate where each part is turning in space. WHen you start applying that your gestures will start to look more 3D and it will be easier to develop them further into more advance studies. But you have to learn how and when to apply it, I see a lot of people put too many cross contours to their figures making the look like mummies, when all it takes most of the time is just one or two indications. Anyway, Vilppu covers this and a lot of other common issues

Great start nonetheless

>>2556052
yum, that's some nice gesture

>>2553063
anon here
Drew some things today:
http://imgur.com/jBcVIym
http://imgur.com/uG7xWNI

>>2555896
>She's got the body of a man; make her skinnier, make the head bigger, and the hands smaller.
I'm going for more realism. I can work on making her skinnier but idk about making the head bigger. I was also thinking the face needed work.

As for colors I put those on real quick so I will work on the values and highlights.

>>2555030
>>2556026
I suggest you should plan out your drawings better, rather than just saying 'muh edge, muh hands' and working from there.

>>2556081
All those views.Some of you are probably laughing at my drawings.
inb4 projecting this hard

>>2556167
yeah, we're all laughing on discord ;)

>>2552430

This is incredibly helpful and well thought out criticism and advice. Everyone should give it a once over in this thread.

>>2556052
oh gosh thanks so much!! this is really helpful, i'll have a look at those videos and continue to try.

>>2556285

No problem. In CGP you can find "Vilppu Academy - Figure Drawing 1" and "Vilppu Studio Drawing Manual" torrents, which are both essentially the same, great stuff.

Keep drawing

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>>2551967
crit please. i know my line quality is shit

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>tfw you draw like a 10 year old

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>>2556147
that wasnt really my goal, at the time i was inspired a lot by shintaro kago so during that time i just made crazy drawings. now i just do a lot more practice and doodles
pic related. still suck though

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>>2556312
fixed a few things

When your drawing a face, Is there a section you start with then base everything else off of, or do you slowly draw the entire thing at once?

If I try to get the whole face in proportion then I'll fuck up the position and size of the eyes.

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Drawing face with imagination

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Crazy out of practice.

>>2556352
the glabella usually

>>2556476
>>2556476
>>2556476


new thread


>>2556476
>>2556476
>>2556476

>>2555656
move up a thread

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Is there a website dedicated for stuff like pic related? I can't seem to find any more pictures except the few I found from google.

>>2556485
move down a thread for that remark