Beginner Thread

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>>2416127

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>>2416127

>>2416139
i never really realized how far back on the skull the neck vertebrae are situated

gonna study these because these are awesome, thanks mister UNIX

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>>2416127

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>>2416127

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>>2416154
it doesnt.

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>>2416127

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>>2416127

>>2416162
i guess that's why we use multiple refs

>>2416175
those eyes are freaky yo

Thanks for the ref.

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I dont know what the fuck am i doing just drawn by imag

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>>2416127

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lion studies for draw every day

>>2416280
>drawing on a phone
you are either like abstract anon or incredibly stupid, and i respect that

thanks Churgethoth for the advice from last thread.

also is it possible to develop creativity if you don't have much at all?

>>2416280
That app fucking sucks.

>>2416316
The bodies of those lions look a little squashed. Felines have fairly stretchy elongated bodies.

>>2416338
thanks man, i thought something felt off
i don't really understand perspective too well yet and so i think i shortened the bodies too much

but the top left side-view sketch is definitely squashed; thanks!

>tfw so many beginner resources you feel paralyzed and unable to start
>tfw scared of ingraning bad habits
>tfw afraid of failure

>>2416280

These are pretty cool. The gesture on the bottom left is kinda hard to understand- it looks like he has a broken leg.

Lines kinda sloppy. I'm a beginner though so take that with a grain of salt.

>>2416316

I like these but I think the shoulders could be more defined / stick out more.

>>2416372

I feel u. I wish there was a flowchart of how to approach the resources. I'm going through drawabox right now and it just feels like such a grind.

>>2416316
those are pretty neat

>>2416372
there's a saying that i forget but the point of it was that some people spend so much time worrying about optimizing their learning that they're wasting their time not because they're learning the wrong thing, but they're worrying too much about doing the wrong thing.

Don't be a bitch and get started.

What's the best way to shade with a pencil? My shading usually looks more like burn scars than shadows.

Ok what the fuck is point of studying loomis i'm copying hard and try to understand this book, and drawing but next day, i forget about what was that what the fuck? Is Just discipleline?

>>2416522
Start studying vilppu's figure drawing book and have Hamptons' anatomy book on the side. Hampton will help you learn the general muscle area. Vilppu will help you feel the drawing. Study Lomis' anatomy when you want exact muscle location

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I'm noticing general improvement at least. I need more patience and a lot more study time.

>>2416524
Only thing i can do now is just copying
Im very worrying about my future

>>2416529
resize and properly orient the picture

>>2416532
>>2416522
Loomis teaches you mainly construction, then proportion, anatomy and a bit of perspective. The point in studying it is to learn these things.

You are supposed to use the knowledge and apply the techniques that loomis presents in his books, not just copy. Copying is good to get the feel of the technique, to better understand how he did what he did, but you need to go and draw your own humans with it to really learn it.

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>>2416533
My bad, I keep forgetting about phone cameras

>>2416535
Uh.. u mean draw figure or something with imagine and attaching muscle with references?

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I've been reading about proportions and other things regarding the figure. How does this look? it's from imagination

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>>2416538
Look at videos of people drawing. They make the construction and then flesh out the detail with knowledge of anatomy. For an example look at pic related. Or here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k43246RmuWY portrait video, he does the same thing.

>>2416553
The arms are short. Especially forearms. Look at that left arm on the left drawing, he's a freak with a stump for an arm. Don't do imagination before you know your shit, use reference. It's especially good to do life drawing to get the proportions under your skin.

>>2416553
Proportions look fine. Next time, focus more on hand and feet proportions to solidify your entire figure.
Also take notes and compare proportions of different body types as you proceed with your studies (brute male, small boy, etc.)

why am i nerveous when i drawing? is this common thing?

>>2416597
Yeah. One wrong stroke might turn you into the next hitler.

>>2416601
>>2416597
kek

>>2416602
i can;t practice anymore today i feel something very uncomfortable

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Loomis mentions that pic related is the standard, but how often do proportions vary? Is it possible to use this method on absolutely every head (with slight variations, obviously) or do some heads require a different approach?

>>2416603
go to the doctor

>>2416127
How come the abs look more defined on the model with skin than in the one with muscles only?

>>2416603
I something get anxious when drawing. Like i'm short of air or something.

It tends to happen when I'm struggling with my drawing and goes away once I'm in the zone. Take a break to do something that relaxes you.

>>2416605
It is a ideal head, a handsome man with classical beauty will fit in this proportions, but you can't use it for everyone, there are many variations for this.

>>2416605
It's very much a guideline rather than an absolute.

>>2416615
>>2416616
So are there any other methods or do I just learn to see and adapt?

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>>2416617
There are many different techniques for this, many artists use basic shapes and guide lines to build a head (picture related isn't a verry god exemple, but it illustrates what I'm saying). Deconstructing the head into basic shapes can help you a lot, but if you are aiming for a more realistic aproach, nothing will replace actually looking at something and drawing it.

>>2416372
I feel you brother. I'm going through Peter Han drawing course exercises while using Pen & Ink: a Simple Guide for ink drawing. Things are going to be tedious no matter what you do, but try having a sketch book and doodle something, whatever, at the side. Over time you would look at it and see how you've changed over time.

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Chopped up with head,
But im stuck at front of girl's face

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A good reads/books on how to simplify face expressions?

>>2416536
Load your image in paint and just orient and resize it first on the computer. Don't post straight from the phone.

>>2416637
Looks like good progress. You'll get better with more practice. After a few dozen more heads you'll start to get the hang of it.

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/3/ here. How does /ic/ feel about using textures in digital paintings? Is it a common thing here? What I mean is painting out a rock and then overlaying it with a rock texture from google images to give it more texture, usually an easy way to give noise or scratches to something.

Something I just painted as practice. I overlayed the rock with a texture.

>>2416637
now do it in a 3/4 view

>>2416658
If anyone was wondering why I mentioned I'm from /3/ its because most textures for games are made this way.

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Help please, I know there is something wrong with these faces, just need help narrowing down what the problem is

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>>2416127
What I learned: Measurement is easier to estimate with the paint layer than with the pre-sketch. I just need rough shapes with the sketch. Color-matching by sight is fucking hard. I even used the color picker for my swatches, but they still ended up weird. I need to do my mixing on a separate layer instead of experimenting on the canvas. The anatomy of a frog isn’t ingrained in my mind. This is why they should be dissecting frogs in school…

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I used to draw a lot back in highschool, mainly anime style, and then never drew anything for almost 10 years. But I quitted my job last week and i'm questioning my life's direction. I had a creative job but no freedom at all, so i decided to take 2-3 months to explore few things : design, coding, and also, drawing. This is my second attempt of study on a computer, made with mouse. I might invest in a tablet if i don't feel like going into a dead end.

tl;dr : Second drawing in 10 years - kill me

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>>2416668
Try to get the correct propotion. Stick to those guidelines you are using and practice. You will eventually get the hang of it.

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>>2416668
These are symbol drawn, also draw from reference if you're not doing so already. Too narrow down your issue you need to have a end goal. But for now I'd say symbolism is the main problem. Then proportion. Then finally perspective. Your problem is much more common than you think. Look around in this thread, do the basics, enough chicken scratching. Just draw the shape of the head, you lack construction. Also, read the sticky, and pay attention.

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>>2416668
Draw some skulls! 2spoopy? Git gud.

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>>2416668
Pic Related

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Moebius is by far my favorite artist right now, how do I Emulate his color and line work?

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>>2416700

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What do?

I drew these yestarday with a mirror. They don't look right to me but I can't tell what's wrong.

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>>2416702

>>2416597
Fear of failure. You are just scared that you will find out that you are worse than you think you are. I had that fear too. You gotta change your mindset. When you are drawing you are not performing before a crowd and your drawings are supposed to be pretty bad here and there. The best artists still produce shitty drawings when practicing. Even if your drawing is shit you improve because you are drawing just like in the gym even if you don't look like a fucking greek god and can't do a million reps, each rep counts and makes you better for the next time.

>>2416703
there's no mouth

>>2416703
You're hard lining the whole line, sometimes not drawing a line is better than drawing it.

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What would be the best way to do anatomy practice?
Currently, I do a warm up, then attempt a full drawing of whatever part I'm doing for the day.
Then I read a tutorial for the day, and then practice a few based on that tutorial.
What's your guys methods?

>>2416703
you're treating your pencil like a writing instrument rather than an artistic, or musical instrument. approach each line as if you were drawing a bow across a violin, the whole movement must be smooth and conscientious (this is part of why people train drawing from the shoulder)

be aware of the different tones available out of each implement, and the effects achieved from descending and rising through those tones as well as layering and juxtaposing lines of different tones.

draw everything

practice everything together, that's what you really need to learn anyway right

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I just started for fun. This first exercise turned right side up made me laugh.

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I always mess up with eyes. Drawing them, positioning them. Can someone help arrange the eyes or provide a guide on how to position them?

>>2416776
before i can diagnose your problem i need to see 50 faces from you

>>2416793
I've been posting throughout the week.

>>2416796
well i haven't faggot, and i don't believe you've even drawn 50 faces regardless, so what are you gonna do about it

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so, today i'm studying the pelvis (female)...

Does someone have a simple pelvis costruction?

like some of your old studies?

plsss

maybe anime style pelvis or even better, loli pelvises

>>2416681
>and then never drew anything for almost 10 years

looks like you havent lost your touch, keep on going! im also considering investing in a tablet but have mostly been drawing with pencil for now.

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>>2416805

>>2416529
>>2416536
I sense a bad case of "left-brain" right here.

You should try reading Betty Edward's Drawing from the Right Side of the Brain. It'll help a lot.

>>2416844
luv u

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>>2416861
np bby

>>2416844

based Japan

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am I doing this gesture thing right

>>2416899
I think you're chickenscratching far too much, try to look at the bold lines of the teachers and try it. You will fail but keep practicing

I don't know if this fits in a beginner thread, or some other. I haven't drawn in a month now, I realize that is bad but I can not help it. Books such as keys to drawing, drawing on tge right side of the brain makes me sick. I guess, mostly because of dull and boring exercises which are far from being fun. I've attempted to learn by reading loomis figure drawing book either though haven't got through quarter of it as I just left it for later time. That is if the passion to draw does come back somehow. So far it looks like it wont for some time.

I would just work through vilppu drawing manual if it weren't that complex. Or hampton book, with steve huston lectures. In fact my drawing ability is lacking for every drawing practice. I bet now even more so.

Anyway, I really am clueless how can I get back to drawing. Forcing myself to do it does not work. And worst part is I don't know which book/video would it be better to study from. If only I had some kind of a schedule, but I've never even tried to set one up.

>>2416668
why the long face?

>>2416899

No

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74HR59yFZ7Y

>>2416903
>I've never even tried to set one up.
You have your answer right there.

How about you actually TRY first instead of looking for some magical cure-all for passion, motivation and self-discipline?

No it's not easy. Yeah, we naturally try to go down the path of least resistance. But we can't move in with you, sit next to you and nag you like a mother until you dredge up the will power to stop fucking around and try to do something that only benefits you. Believe it or not, the motivation is going to have to come from you. The person that has to set aside time to draw is you. The person that needs to physically pick up a pencil and make marks on paper is you.

>>2416903
sorry but practice and study are monotonous. if u cant develop a stockholm syndrome for drawing, or you can't motivate yourself to do art, then this might not be the thing for you.
>if only i had a schedule
fucking make one then? just plot out parts of your day its not that hard, stop being a lazy fuck.

>>2416127
where is his dick lol

>>2416927
inside of his skin-sac obviously. where do you keep your penis?

>>2416912

Nevermind, it's hopeless. I've been abandoning drawing, and getting back to it since childhood. I haven't got a passion, motivation, nor discipline for it. Setting up a schedule without knowing what exactly do I study is pointless. I can fill a week or a month with just "draw", it won't do me any good unless I'm deadset on working from a X or Y book. So far every book I've attempted felt rather dull. I'm not saying the books were bad, probably I was not ready for them.

>>2416915

I know that practice usually isn't fun. But as a beginner it's a bit discouraging to make failed drawings over and over again, with close to none progress.

I doubt schedule will work for me. And setting it up is far from being easy, unless I know exactly what I need to study/what resource to use to study etc. So far I'm just confused. Probably you are right and drawing is not meant for me. Makes me wonder why did I like it 10 to 15 years ago.

does anyone have comparisons between good gesture drawings and bad ones? i still haven't really figured out the barebones of it, other than "movement"

>>2416162
we've been tricked!

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sorry I'm so bad

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What's the consensus on erotic art

>>2417088
Muh dick.

>>2416555
I'm pretty sure that the "stump arm" is supposed to be foreshortened...

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I keep trying to draw pictures of cute anime girls, but they keep turning out weird. Can anyone red line this?

>>2416730
I concur.

>>2417010
not really, its a print so they had to add a part of the neck to make it stable, some do start a little further back too.

>>2416668
The one on the bottom right actually made me laugh.

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Drapery wip

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>>2417158
there you go bro

>>2416681
That drawing isn't super great or anything but I'm still impressed. You should draw traditionally for a bit before making the decision to buy a tablet though. Whatever you do don't stop progressing.

>never had a positive comment
>only negative comments
>listen to /ic/
>told that i should never want or need positive comments
>keep drawing
>negative comments still

Is positive feedback really that bad? would I improve slower with positive feedback? I can't shake the feeling that maybe a few positive comments might have actually helped me.

>>2416903
From what it sounds like you're burnt out on studying, so don't study. What you really need to do is think about why you want to draw in the first place. If you want to draw some dope ass robots then do it. Be mindful of the fact that everything you draw will suck though, but that might be enough to motivate you to study. Studying is crucial to improvement but if it makes you quit drawing then you're better off just doodling and have fun. Now quit being a bitch and go draw!

>>2417191
Post your art. Only good art should be complimented. It doesn't mean you shouldn't stop trying. You just need to earn it. Don't disparate because people are brutally honest.

>>2417200
I'm never posting my stuff here, I'm just trying to wrap my head around how me receiving constant negative feedback and again not a single positive remark helps me.
If this was reversed I don't see how that would hold me back anymore than being told everything I do is shit.

>>2417213
You not wanting to post your work makes me think that your shit sucks. If that's the case then you can't complain when everyone says your shit sucks. Either way you seem way too caught up in getting positive feedback, what you really need to be focusing on is improving and just trust that eventually the praise will come.

>>2417226
I'm not complaining that I receive only negative feedback, reread my posts. I'm trying to say that why is this seen as the "right" way and positive feedback seen as dangerous and negative?

>i post my stuff here
>you say it sucks thats why you don't get positive feedback
>nothing changes

Why would posting anything help? please re-read and actually understand my post.

>>2416756
>drawing from the shoulder
Fuck mane i cringed
I play the violin and using your shoulder for anything other than raising your bow arm to hit strings is absolutely haram

Hey can anyone link me to websites they use for photo references? I had a few of them bookmarked but I can't find them through all the porn I have in my bookmark folder.

>>2417229
Not that guy but maybe you're seeing criticism as a negative remark.
Positive remarks would be shit like "that's really good", this type of comment would not really help you in anyway. However stuff like "that's shit" would not help you either so you gotta know which comments will help you and pick what you need out of it.

>>2417253
You actually read the question congrats, glad theres more than one person in this thread.

So you would say that good and bad comments such as "that is shit" or "that is great!" are equally bad/pointless/useless?

Good, This is what I'm asking.
It seems that generally on /ic/ negative feedback is seen as this amazingly useful thing when in all honesty I don't see it as helping at all, "the hand looks funny" "the arm doesn't work" the face is fucked" the colours are muddy" or simply "this is pretty shit" "boring kind of lame"are the kind of negative comments I've received and it's always seemed that /ic/ thinks that is a good thing compared to surface level praise like "good job!" "thats good" "soo good!"

>>2417266
well stuff like that is shit might give you a reality and stuff like that is great will give you a morale boost so you take what you want from comments

>>2417281
*reality check

>>2416658
Dont use overlays and learn how to create the texture yourself. References will help

>>2417252
croquis cafe is pretty legit,

http://www.onairvideo.com/croquis-cafe-photos.html

>>2416668
You're doubling from ball, not the side plane. Take the distance from the midpoint to the bottom of the side plane, and double that, not the distance from midpoint to bottom of ball. Also stop symbol drawing.

>>2416700
>how do I Emulate his color and line work
Study his works until you have extracted the essence of what draws you to those aspects of his work, base studies on some fundies if you need them. Also look into what Moebius' influences are, Jijé was his mentor for a time wasn't he?

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So if I keep doing stuff like this will I eventually get better? I feel like maybe I should go to school.

>>2417335
You don't "Keep doing stuff like this". You do what you don't know how to do until you know how to do it

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Low effort sketch from mind. Turned out kinda creepy looking but can't really put my finger on why. I'd guess the mouth, the lips look like shit.

>>2417071
your point of view on the structures are all over the place. Try practicing drawing less detailed shapes but focus on keeping your perspective consistent.

>>2417158
Looks good. Shows great restraint in lines and such.

>>2417171
Can't say much about it from its current state, keep working.

>>2417335
Your proportions could use some work, but keep working and stay dedicated and you will get better. I would suggest using some of the more straight forward references just to get your anatomy a bit more fine tuned. Try using pics like the OP.

>>2417335
You can do something a billion times and never get any better, because in addition to actually doing something, you need to know what you're doing. Go research, then draw, then receive critiques, then research again, and draw, and rinse and repeat.

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>>2417358
>>2417365
>>2417371
alright

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>>2416639
might not be what you're looking for but scott mccloud's Understanding Comics has a brief section that breaks down facial expressions into various categories

actually i recommend reading Understanding Comics even if comics don't really appeal to you, because it's got fascinating stuff on composition, making the mind perceive time with how the panels are designed, abstraction vs realism to make the reader relate to or feel distant from something, etc

>>2416680
>I even used the color picker for my swatches

DO NOT; you learn nothing this way and everything looks muddy and brown

how i did this study was by first painting the silhouette of the frog with a very dark value, like the brown on its chin and left foreleg. then i work my way up to lighter and lighter values, like:

dark brown on chin >>> brown on belly >>> greenish tinge on belly and thorax >>> orange on back >>> very greyish blue for highlights

>>2416703
this: >>2416730

most noticeable especially on nostril lines, common beginner mistake tho

>>2417378
calves are looking pretty short there

>>2417365
>Looks good. Shows great restraint in lines and such.

>not recognizing memeing

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>>2417411

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>>2417413

are there any guides to painting landscapes? with the biggest amount of bullshit tricks as possible. I just need to paint one for a non art class.

>>2417410
Well, I figured the post was a joke, but I thought there would be no harm in giving a genuine comment on the art.

If it's a commonly reposted image, I don't browse /ic/ all too often, so sorry.

>>2417365
>Low effort
why post it then

>>2417422
is cool senpai

>>2417365
>Turned out kinda creepy looking but can't really put my finger on why. I'd guess the mouth

are you joking or serious?

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here's another girl sketch. I try to draw cute girls but they never come out that way.

>>2417429
>Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying

No harm in trying I guess. Wouldn't have been tore up if it didn't even get a reply.

>>2417436
Yeah kinda. It's obvious the creepiness comes from the eyes, but I just wanted some tips on how to draw lips and teeth competently.

>>2417453
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>2417453
what a nice frog

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One more just for the laughs. She's ugly on purpose though.

>>2417454
Yeah it's a pretty ugly cartoon. This thread's inspiring me to work on some more actual constructive exercises as opposed to just doodling all the time, so thanks.

>>2417457
Ayy you're right, she got some big ass frog lips. Was going for ghostly, but that's cool too.

>>2417470
I like you man haha, you can take a joke and you're funny to boot. hopefully you become a regular around here. looking forward to seeing how far you go if you stick with it.

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>>2417477
Thanks

I'd be pretty shitty to come on a criticism board and make a big stink about criticism, especially when it's funny.

anatomy question: so if one shoulder is raised like in >>2414902 is the corresponding collarbone also lifted? does the ribcage tilt at all or is it only the muscles moving upwards?

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I cannot, for the life of me use reference. Anytime I even put up a photo to use, I just can't do anything anymore. I have no idea what is wrong with me; I'm thinking I'm just lazy and inexperienced when it comes to life drawing and stuff but its such a fucking issue. Something about dealing with real reference makes me anxious I guess. I only draw from imagination. I can only use reference if I look at something, then try to remember what it looks like (albeit fucked up; because there's no god damn reference)


How do I stop this fucking shit? Someone tell me to stop being a bitch


Pic related; my skill level atm.

Is it a bad idea to use Krita's stabilization function when first starting to learn digitally, or is it largely irrelevant? Want to avoid hobbling myself if at all possible.

>>2417553
tell yourself that you'll never gid gud and all you did was wasting time sketching the same turds over and over again.

P. S It worked for me.

>>2417553
man up family man , its fuckin retarded to not be able to draw from reference.

>>2417320
Retarded question; how would you study someone's work?

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How do you know if your monitor is displaying colours correctly?

I asked a streamer on twitch to critique my art and the values were totally different on her stream.

>>2417624
Copy it mindfully. There's a lot to be seen from the shoulders of giants, after all.

>>2417630
>streamer criticizing art
Literally what

>>2417631
I'm guessing you mean, to copy it with the techniques used from our fundamentals? Such as, if Hampton tells us to draw a model like X, we get that cartoon character and do the same?

>>2417641
On twitch there is a creative channel. On the adobe stream itself they have artists as well as artists streaming on their own, some of them are really good. Sometimes they have days where they just critique the art of their viewers.

>>2417647
Mind sending me some of your favs?

>>2417656
/suzanne_helmigh
shes a pro. really good at drawing people, works on actual game concept art

/sampetersonart
hes pretty good, nice guy

/adobe
just check out the adobe channel from time to time and add people you like

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Hey guys how do I draw like berserk guy

FUCKING LAZINESS ARE COME AGAIN
I REALLY HATE THIS FUCK I SHOULD DRAW SOMETHING BUT WHEN I SEE A PAPER AND MY SHITTY PENCIL...
AW CRAP

>>2416372
I've been in your situation before

What I recommend you do is do what I did and pick a few resources (for me, Right Side, drawabox, Rapid Viz) and stick with them

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Any tips on eyeballing proportions? Or does it just come with practice?

In photoshop I can take a step back and adjust everything, but on paper that is tough to do.

>>2417631
>>2417643
Anyone? Just wondering the best way to "study" some of artists. Especially ones who provide inspiration.

>>2417724
it mainly comes from practice.
>>2416689 has a good picture that shows the various ways to see your subject and help with proportions

>>2417746
There's really nothing to it, just analyse it through copy, the same way you would from a book. Break it down and simplify it using techniques and shorthand you're familiar with if you want, but it's really simple.
Also, look into Ligne claire and belgian comics in general, it's always helpful to look for patterns between artists and draw parallels imo.

>>2417758
Thanks for that info. Will do. I usually try to copy my favorite artists' work after long studies to see how I look at it now. I want to mimic some styles (but not copy completely), but I feel as thought as I continue my studies, I'll eventually start understanding since all other questions I've had in the past have all been getting answered. I just worry too much at times.

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>>2417753
Yeah but I'd like to be one of those people that can just doodle with pen without the use of construction lines. Heil plumb lines.

>>2417782
>Yeah but I'd like to be one of those people that can just doodle with pen without the use of construction lines.

And how did you think they learn proportions?
Everyone goes through the same thing and the same training. Hell, even artists you've seen that don't use construction or gesture lines STILL practice those methods to make sure their proportions are in check. But since we're a beginner level, you're gonna have to practice it more often than the pros. You need to train your eye, and later, you just need to make sure your eye can still see clearly.

>>2417494
you're my new favourite artist on /ic/

How to improve own fantasy?

>>2417681
>>2416700
So, I have a question on this.
If I were to study my fundamentals like form, anatomy, and so forth, once I get a strong understand of that will it all come together as to why these designs are being made? Or will I need to read up / watch on How To character design?

Today I got the bus for 40 minutes each way to go to the only art store in my city that sells anything more than crayons and paper.
I went in to buy conte charcoal pencils. I didn't think they would be hard to find. Pick up 5 of them and went home.

Spent 10 minutes sharpening one of them with a razor blade so that an inch of charcoal sticks out, cut myself twice and then sand papered the edges smoothly.

Sat down and got into position to do some gesture drawings.

Pencil felt terrible.

Do a couple of drawings to make sure.

Yep it is completely grating and hard to even move the pencil.

Turns out I got a fucking FUSAIN CHARCOAL instead of PIERRE NOIRE. PIERRE NOIRE MEANS BLACK STONE. WHICH MEANS CHARCOAL. FUSAIN ALSO MEANS CHARCOAL. FUCK ME. FUCK CONTE. FUCK THE FRENCH. FUCK PROKO. FUCK LOOMIS.

See you guys tomorrow.

>>2417935
so you went in to buy a charcoal pencil, got a charcoal pencil and now you're complaining that you got a charcoal pencil ? are you retarded ?

>>2417947

The Fusain Charcoal pencil is a very hard charcoal. It is terrible for sketching. The Pierre Noire is soft, great for linework and tone.

>>2417952
the pierre noire is also not charcoal

>>2417953

Wow you are right. It's a "lead" pencil. I swear every time I heard someone talking about it they said charcoal pencil. Would have saved me some time.

>>2417335
You have squished your figure to fit it into the frame. You can either ignore the frame and draw all that you can fit within it, or you can copy the frame dimensions before starting your drawing. I would recommend pre-framing your stuff for awhile until you are better at guessing the scale of things.

>>2417953
>>2417976

I just rewatched the Proko supplies video and he says "I'll start by showing you how to sharpen a charcoal pencil" and then proceeds to sharpen a Pierre Noire.

>>2417887
there are fundamentals on appealing design that you can learn. i took Stephen Silvers schoolism course on character design, and it taught me a lot despite his simplistic style. it can really be applied to anything . but i'm not sure where else you could get that info

>>2416372
Why be afraid of failure when that is all you will be doing for the comin year or two when going into drawing? If you are enough of a perfectionist you will be a failure beyond that too, at least according to yourself.

"Failure" is not worth considering at all, and should not demotivate you from further practicing, as no matter how TERRIBLE you may be right now, you will forever improve at a steady rate as long as you put time into it.

If you're a lazy fuck I got no advice though, good luck in that case.

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I'm new to using values, how's this?

>>2416127
More like ANTI FLAMATONY AMIRITE?

>>2418039
youre good enough to leave the beginner thread.

>>2417229
i have some friend that honeywrap their comments

and i come to /ic/ to get destroyed


Both help me a lot one make me keep going, the other make me better.

>>2417191
Face the reality that everything you do is fucking trash and will be so for a long time. I'd rather have a post that says "you fucking suck kill yourself" than someone say "great work keep it up", both are equally useless but the first one is true.

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i have no idea of what im doing

>>2418074
"you fucking suck keep it up" is the best of both worlds.

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evil backs

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Critique please.

>>2418174
I would suggest fleshing out the lines out some more to the point it could be considered a finished piece by lines alone before moving onto painting otherwise you might find yourself going through a very grueling process

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honestly i draw nothing today
but here is some execercise

>>2418202
Cool excercise. Perspective, rendering and atmospheric perspective all in one. Dig it.

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I have trouble understanding the concept of value and color (plus I suck at picking the correct color) so I made a small table with some basic colors. Not finished yet but I just want to try it out. Hopefully this is gonna help me painting rocks and landscape in the long run.

>>2418024
That's what I've always been wondering. I'm actually gonna take up fundamentals of design from Schoolism and CGMA soon as I continue my studies, but I never quiet understood "how to" stylize. People always say to copy, but what am I trying to copy or figure out?

Hopefully those courses will give me some more insight.

>>2418079
this desu

>>2418225
that looks awesome anon, post it again when it's finished!

>>2418202
just reminded me that i really need to work on capturing depth

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When I draw faces from imagination they are never are "looking at the camera". Where do I place the pupils to get this effect?

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>>2418452

Just make sure you define the pupil as a black circle (and the iris as a circle but you did that)

As soon as you look away from the camera your iris/pupil/anything circular become ellipses.

>>2417982

A soft enough graphite pencil isn't much different than charcoal. Hell, both are basically just brittle carbon structures.

>>2417887
It's kind of funny how much difficulty ic has when answering this question. They either answer with vague statements or ignore the question all together.

>>2418792
>do this to draw as well as [insert master] xD
As if anyone here was qualified to answer that shit

I assume to get good at circles and oval shapes and such, you just draw a lot of them? i'm asking because loomis head construction apparently requires that I make a good sphere and also I somewhat have problems with those in general

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Lot more excited that I found a cross hatch value scale I'm happy with than I should be.

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Drapery study

>>2416730
>>2416756
>>2417404
Thanks!

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Give critique
I think the mouth looks kinda weird, is it too small, too low or both?
Is the witch fine?

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Any advice on how I could make this look better?

>>2418895
Contour lines, he looks a bit flat

>>2418910
Does it explain contour lines in the sticky?

>>2418912
It's a line that goes around your subject to create form.

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Please send help

>>2418859
Work on values. All the shadows in your drawing are roughly the same value.

>>2418921
Oh, okay, thanks, I'll try that out and see if it helps

>>2418922
Straight necks make for stiff poses. Gotta be able to change your subjects pose to create better rhythm in your drawings. I.e, you're not needed if it already exists.

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i'm taking a break from anatomy studies nad learning to paint digitally, so please cirt this cloud study i did today

>>2418931
like it. looks like actual clouds

>>2418922
I suggest exaggerating the pose even more for gestures so have her point herself even more forward than the reference

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I'm very new to figure drawing so I made a little cheat sheet, if anyone would like to use it too.

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>>2418988
and here is my drawing.
I'm not very happy with the right forearm, it looks scratchy and i wasnt confident enough with the line. Also, the line to the left of the head is too close to the pectoral line. Other than that, I am pretty happy.

>>2418988
thanks saved it. who knows, might come in handy one day when i move onto figures

>>2418922
the bump is her thoracic cage. Everyone has it.
>>2418850
gj

>>2419022
what kind of alien is that?

>>2419069
-3- ily

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Figure

>>2419144
>that filesize and dimensions

nuh uh i aint touching that

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>>2417935
>buys brand pencils for simple gesture drawings

What do if every single time you get a chance to be alone and draw you suddenly lose every shred of motivation?

>>2418931
The wispy look of the upper right part of the cloud looks good. The left side looks a bit too blended. The underside should have a bit more variation in value, and I suppose the same could be said about the top. Try to make the entire cloud like the upper right part and see how it turns out.

>>2419213
thanks, and yeah, i really liked the upper right and i struggled to get that same wispy look with nice edges on the rest of the cloud

ill try to continue it later!

>>2418863
Is the schierke fine?
Yes.

>>2418931

Been using any tutorials, and if so, have any been useful? I feel like I'm not getting something about photoshop painting.

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Tell me what resource you're using to learn RIGHT NOW.

>>2419478
its a real shame anzujamu has a shitty taste for shots and photography.

>>2419481
Her drawings are pretty bad too iirc, if you check her twitter.

>>2417453
This shit is going to jump out from behind the closet door.

>>2419022
Shoulders are too droopy, which also makes the neck seem elongated. Other than that, keep practicing the form of the limbs, as you said. Keep it up

>>2419406
>>>>>CTRLpaint.com<<<<<

been super helpful in teaching to blend, some basics of the process of digital painting, edges vs shapes vs lines, etc

>>2419478
having a looksee through 'figure drawing: design and invention' by michael hampton,
and a shitton of references

>>2419022
Actually scratch that, the neck is just too long. Check the proportions on that thing. Looks like one of those foreign women with the rings on their neck.

>>2419518
>>>>>>CTRLpaint.com<<<<<
>
>been super helpful in teaching to blend, some basics of the process of digital painting, edges vs shapes vs lines, etc

You know, I've been considering going through ctrlpaint. Guess I'll take that endorsement as a pretty good reason to start. Thanks.

i can.t memorize all head parletts,
just draw more?

>>2417198

Seems like I've actually burnt out, because of studying the wretched fundamentals. I understand those are important, but usually hard as fuck, as a result I'm losing all desire to pick up a pencil again. The last time I had fun drawing was years ago, when I drew cartoon-ish characters from different cartoons/comics/anime. When I try to draw realistic anything, without a doubt it looks shit. I can't draw as well as I'd want to, I believe that is a common issue with everyone here.

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I'm trying to do concept art for a game my friend and I want to make. Unfortunately I'm more of a programmer.

Could I get some hate on this please?

>>2419728
hire a professional or find someone more competent.

>>2419745
right one is amazing keep it up

>>2419745
get the fuck out of beginner thread lol

>>2419752
No you

>>2419745
glad you posted in the beginner thread so i could catch this even if it doesn't belong, good work man.

>>2419753
I have. I dont post in this thread unless its to confirm my identity.

>>2419745
sweet

>>2419394
I didnt think anyone on 4chan actually read good stuff

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>>2418369
Thanks. Just finished the value scale. For now at least. Might expand when I get more familiar with color theory. It lacks brighter tone of a few colors but it might help other beginner anon out there.

>>2419781
Where did you learn this anon?£

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>>2419747
>>2419754
>>2419761
>>2419752
I am really appreciated, guys.

>>2419784
If you mean by this seeing the color and determined its correct value. I can't do that. I guess It's like a musician hearing a tone and tell you the correct note. Lots of training maybe.

What I did was just remove the saturation with Photoshop (black layer with saturation as property) and compare the color value.

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I'm shit as fuck. Mainly because I just do doodles on my phone and I forgot to tidy my drawings at the end. I am slowly improving though.

>>2419837
Ahahahaha fucking hell dude just drop the goddamn stylus and pick up a book jesus christ.
Also, >>2409461 and >>1579290

Is lot of figure drawings makes inderstand porpotion?

>>2419969
>Is lot of figure drawings makes inderstand porpotion?

Maybe, but sadly it doesn't make one understand grammar.

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What am I doing wrong, guys?

>>2419969
Please learn some more english if you're gonna be around here, you goshdarn foreigner.

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Any advice?

Are 30 second gesture drawings worth doing?

I did them for a month or so, and while it helped me loosen up a bit, I don't feel like I'm learning anything. That, and because I want to focus more on the construction of the human body, rather than scribbling it out in 30 seconds.

I'm afraid I'll revert back to drawing stick figures if I keep it up.

>>2420016
looks like firez got competition

>>2420038
Just take your gestures and construct off of them, jeez. You've probably got pages, take the good ones and build em up. You could even take a little more time and build the gesture piece by piece, gesturing and then constructing a certain part in order to build the next gesture off of it.

>>2420044
ha, not even close...

So i've been trying for a bit, but for some reason at this point i cant seem to just draw something. like i go to draw a face, and im too hung up on stuff, like i dont know, that im getting it all wrong or im not doing it properly. wat do?

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>>2416639

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I can't with noses.
I should retry it right away.

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?

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I've read about "drawing machines" that leonardo devinci used to make. You'd basically be looking through a grid and you would draw on paper that had a grid shadow cast over it. Is it a good means of practice to use grids when drawing? Do competent arts just imagine a grid when they draw?

Who /eternalplateau/ here?

>>2420436
Posting in multiple threads won't make the change of getting a response bigger
It's like 'please answer'

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>>2420519
It's a tool like any other. Mucha would use grids to help in scaling up references/concept sketches into final pieces. Chuck Close also uses grids to help scale up his photos to make his large-scale paintings.

Grids are for if you want to make fairly accurate copies of things. If you want to practice your own understanding of anatomy etc, I would not recommend using a grid.

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>>2420596
here's chuck close

>>2419837
>signatures on doodles

>>2416139
>>2416132
>>2416127

Are these buyable somewhere? What about a female version? Any none standard ones like werewolves / aliens / cartoony? Pretty neat. I use anatomy books for study but this would be more helpful.

>>2420519
Check out the documentary Tim's Vermeer, it's by Penn and Teller.

>>2420590
It will, and I often type please answer, since I am really desperate. Different threads have different culture going on, and the beginner thread offers you a lot more chance of getting a reply than the alternative thread, though the alternative thread will give you more detailed reviews, such as redlines, the general draw thread, well I almost never get any critique there since I am not good enough, so I don"t know about that

Also the activity of the threads may vary, depening on the time of day or week.

>>2420116
Study your subject then draw some more, practice makes perfect.

>>2420116
Fuck details, bro. Get a reference, do studies, negative space, gestures, construction, boxes, etc.

It also pays to do fast sketches, turn the page and go again. A finished product usually means you've gone through dozens of sketches and alternatives beforehand.

>>2420677
Very cool. I'm trying to obtain it but can't find a torrent right now.

I am find a few butthurt bloggers complaining that it isn't real art which is hilarious.

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is the perspective on this fine? should be right angles all around. also, im thinking i should make canvas larger so that the courtyard behind the gate is larger

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life drawing

>>2421078
of a corpse? LOL!

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Thx to anon I got some of the colors going on but I'm stuck on how I should do the stupid buildings. I don't want to make them look too boring but I have a hard time balancing colors. Tips? Advice? Critique it so far? thx

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You ever think you aren't making progress even if you are using proven lessons and instructors?

>>2421141
grey and blue tones, while catching the sunset orange glow

>>2421109
wat

>>2416317
yeah just smoke some marijuana m8

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I'm doing Dobson's Keys to Drawing right now and I'm on the copying exercise in chapter two.

What's the best place to start when copying so that the sizes of the parts don't eventually get fucked up? Here's what I'm doing. I've already drawn the table so I'm not sure what to do next

>>2421147
Books, tutorials and videos won't do miracles, sadly.

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I drew this back when there was a statue thread and since then i have only been mindless doodling instead of studying. Still, anything?

>>2421147
It's no matter about our study method
Important thing is just fucking draw
Some fag has tons of knowledge of anatomy but if he is not drawing, just cant draw
Draw at least 4 year

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Just draw for fun,
Need more shittone of study

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can somebody help me?

her right arm is driving me crazy

for some reason it feels like a second left arm

>>2416668

you could start by drawing your own fucking circles

I feel a bit in the dumps senpais.

I'm new to drawing the figure and no matter how hard I try I can't Imagine how the legs connect to the torso and have to end up looking at the reference.

I want to get to the point where I can at least rough up a complete body from imagination.

>>2421649
Waaaaaay too small. The elbow should be long enough to come down to the waist, and the wrist should start just under the crotch. Study proportions more m8, dem 8 heads

>>2416773
I have this book too. It's pretty good. Getting me started alright, I guess.

I need a guide to shading and values. I have no idea how to shade anything

>>2417172
underrated post

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>2.5 years in
>still suck

>>2421977
Post that work then so someone competent may be able to tell you how to improve.

>>2421649
draw it with form from scratch and ill (try to) redline you

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>>2416311

Please kill me.

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>>2422047

shit sorry i didn't know what to resize to

>>2422047
compare shapes (sizes) relative to one another. I like it a lot though, did you trace that ear or get super lucky? Are you doing on purpose? It's a specific type of bad that looks good.

>>2422054

woah thank you.

i guess i got lucky. i drew it like 5-6 times but i knew i wasn't skilled enough to get it exactly so i just tried to get the general values down.

>It's a specific type of bad that looks good.

the ear or the whole thing?

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halp ples

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My faces are always fucking skewed. I think it's my lazy eye.

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Decided to make this in between all the value scale and gradation practice (latter giving me trouble). Any thoughts would be nice.

>>2422067
whole thing
>>2422110
hand studies, compress your heads vertically, stop sausaging your muscles, stop ignoring the deltoid + trapezius. Draw the full figure. Keep at it
>>2422116
ALWAYS draw the neck with your heads, resize next time. no crit because of those 2 factors. but symbol for nose/eye, lineweight is important.
>>2422212
Good job, shadow is off though.

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>>2422217
Neck and resized

>>2422231
ears , eyebrows are symbols and style breaking, nose receedes too quickly and his a bit wide ( if you want a pretty black), the hair starts oddly, your over reprenseting features like the thing above the lips and even decide to reverse hitler the guy to show it. etc.

Use reference a bit and start lighter so its less dirty

>>2422248
Thanks. I also should use more guides probably. This looked good to me at first but after flipping it it's off by a hundred percent. I don't know of lazy eyedness has anything to do with that (can't see depth at all for example, read with just one eye).

>>2422268
lzi has nothing to do with it used to happen to me as well

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>>2421270
Please respond.

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ALRIGHT GUYS SO I'M LEAVING FOR A MONTH BECAUSE I'M GOING TO EUROPE SO WHEN I GET BACK YOU MOTHERFUCKERS BETTER HAVE IMPROVED.

GOOD LUCK, TAKE CARE OF YOUR BODIES AND MINDS, EXERCISE, AND WORK SMART AND BREAK THAT COMFORT ZONE!!!

So started learning how to draw again after 6 weeks(I stopped because of bullshit reasons) anyways. Are there any exercises that can help me eye hand coordination when it comes to drawing with a tablet? Everytime I try to draw over a layer my hand constantly shakes making my lines look incredibly messy.

>>2422512
Don't learn on a tablet.

>>2422512
Don't use a tablet to learn. That's a recipe for disaster. Improve your skill using traditional and then go back to digital.

>>2422340
I don't think anyone cares

Do tripfags really think they have a following or something?

>>2422627
I care and so should you when he is 1/8 of the responses in the beg thread.

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Some painting i did.... HELP....

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This is the first digital painting I'm making, and I'm doing this on photoshop with a mouse.

I used a photo for anatomy reference (I only changed her right leg position and made her spine I little longer because it was looking off), and another photo for the face (it was basically tracing here, just changed her hair).
The original one here on my photoshop is 5000x5000.

But I just did this tracing and I don't know where I go from here.

Should I start thinking about the base colors and shadows and highlights? I only know how to shade with a pencil, how would I go from shading in photoshop?
What other heads up can you guys give me, thinner lines?
Any other tutorials I can see for digital drawings?

I'm going to buy a tablet later in the year, I want to get serious about this.

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First human digital painting in photoshop, critique please? Thank

>>2422666
>tripfags jerking off tripfags

Big surprise there

>>2422794
dont trace.
>>2422878
resize
>>2422758
push your values, your ear is sticking to your face, the lips are too dark, the eye is a bit of a symbol. The whatever ill redline you after my interview.

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how did i do, senpai?

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60 secs each.