Beginner Thread

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>>2412114

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>>2412116

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>>2412125

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>>2412127

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>>2412129

fuck off namefag

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is this better?

Ive been painting for a while now but everytime i start again its like i have no idea wtf im doing and my technique is very insconsistent.
How do i solve this?

>>2412154
30-60 minute warm up. It helps a ton.

>>2412149
Yes

>>2412159
as in i have improved but still need more work, or neato time to start painting?

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OK so I'm reposting from the old thread. I tried to capture the movement of a cat leap. I'm having problems with the front paws especially. Any advice?

>>2412114
Is there a new beginner thread every day now? What happend?

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>>2412166
This is my shitty ref, can't see much in there. Also if anyone has some resource for cat(or animals in general) refs (especially in motion), I would greatly appreciated it if you posted it.

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>>2412159
Why did you tell me to leave the beginner thread

You fucking asshole, teme kusuo.

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>>2412143
>>2412159
not me.

>>2412169
You welcomed the shitposting name fags and now you have to accept your punishment. You've brought this upon yourselves.

>>2412169
Unix ( C++), Super Smash and I have been actively helping. Ive been using pictures that read easily, we have an influx of people who just dropped out of college because its February, its cold because winter so people are inside, its close to the new years resolution fags, ive been telling people to go back and forth between threads.

I believe I/C is growing a little just in general

A lot of factors.

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How do I improve my scenery paintings?

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>>2412114
50 boxes until I finish the 250 box challenge. How do I draw normally after doing this for 2 days?

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>>2412214
I would start by using a larger brush and passinve over most of it and then checking to fix the slanting of the building.

I like it a lot for what it is though, especially the little weeds.

>>2412199
quick fix, proof its me

>>2412214
Is this supposed to simulate the world spinning because it's working

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So do a lot of you guys have trouble with the 3D space kinda "interrupting" your thought process?

Like, I'm having a lot of trouble keeping faces look consistent at different angles. It's hard to explain, but whenever I try to draw something I've drawn in one angle and try to recreate it in another angle, I can't properly do it because I keep revising the object in a 3D space in my head. I dunno, it's hard to explain. Like, the front view in pic related looks like a different guy in the profile.

Basically, how do I keep shit consistent, is what I'm asking.

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any good tutorial on cute hips anatomy?

>>2412265
I think you just need to study anatomy, lol. That should take care of most of your issues. Look out for how the actual head is 'designed' and then apply it to your animu faces, but anime uses a ton of tricks and avoids certain angles.

>>2412294

Anatomy knowledge has nothing to do with being able to draw form accurately. That anon simply needs to work on his Scott Robertsson boxes.

>>2412300
So you're saying he doesn't need anatomy? Look at that fucking head profile again. The character looks like he was built to fight rams

>>2412314
maybe he wanted to make him look like he fights rams

>>2412166
i like it, moving my eyes really fast to the next pic gave me a sense of it moving
neat job

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>>2412290

>>2412300
>Anatomy knowledge has nothing to do with being able to draw form accurately.

Am I being trolled?

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>>2412300
haha lol oh wow haha

>>2412324
you should be banned for posting that, i feel sorry for anyone who would practice using this picture as reference

>>2412314
>>2412326
>>2412339


Anatomy knowledge while important, is subordinate to form drawing and shape design skills. He demonstrates a beginner level ability to visualize form on paper and his shape design skills are also rudimentary.
He specifically stated that he does not understand how to turn forms in space. Yes, he should study anatomy, but his main focus should be to study form building.

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there was someone who asked for child anatomy reference

>>2412366

It's actually quite solid. Good way to think about the forms. Care to be more specific why you don't like it?

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is it sad that this might be my best work?

>>2412384
>Care to be more specific why you don't like it?
He's shitposter

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>>2412574
Its good for animation the problem is that your torso is way too big for the legs and head
If you wanna draw real things you nee to work on values and muscle composition

>>2412574
Why does his face lack cheek muscles? Looks really weird.

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At what point should I quit? This is embarrassing

>>2412625
keep going m8

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Started NMA today, already noticing a solid improvement.

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>>2412625
Don't quit, anon. I know it's hard, but if you keep working at it persistently and actively you WILL get better.

Also obligatory study loomis plox

>>2412679
>NMA
What's this?

>>2412708
Newmastersacademy

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Critique on gesture and basic volumes, please.

>>2412679
second woman is preggers, snapped her spine, and has a men in black mini head. I'd say focus on gesture because a lot of proportion issues are fixed in the gesture stage

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How would I improve the look of the shawl?

>>2412747
bad, your weight placement is awful, the figure would be falling over. learn how the spine works, the rib cage wouldnt be like that if the figure was balancing itself.

>>2412750
stop using faggot words, go look for some cloak/fabric references

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Trying to construct stuff from life, instead of just drawing it by eye. Some bus drawings and trying to draw from imagination.

>>2412748
I was trying to exaggerate the pose with her, didn't work out so well

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>>2412747
>gesture
gesture is okay but the waist area is too long...draw more loomis
>basic volumes
that depend's on your work is it skinny or fat ..
im with anon >>2412751

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>>2412747

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>>2412747
>>2412890

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>>2412903

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How badly did I fuck up

>>2412891
Good tip for any aspiring digital artists is to copy/paste anything you type in Photoshop onto word so you can do a spelling/grammar check

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I've always liked to draw in my life, but I also never realized I should try to improve, so I'm starting to do it now

These are a few drawings I did in the past month. When I did the bearded guy, I was still training face anatomy so it looks a little weird

Could you point what else should I improve/train?

>>2412971
I can't tell what that on the top right is at all

>>2413009
A robot with sharp teeth facing left

>>2413009
Is it that ghoul thing from WoW, with the mask and monocle eye?

>>2412324
Do you have any more like this, but for arms?

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Added more to a sketch from last thread. What should I change before proceeding?

Since the question thread is dead: if boobs were made of a muscle-like tissue, how would gravity effect them?

>>2412887
>>2412751
Thanks for the critique. Drawing a few more then posting again.

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Am I doing this right?

>>2413171
Yes actually. You are starting from a place of ignorance and going through the laborious process of training yourself to improve. Try out these proko videos if you haven't already seen them:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EPNYWeEf1U
I would suggest you use a light pencil so you can build the lines carefully and erase mistakes.

>>2413190
Hey it's my box mentor! Stick with the tripcode I like it. Yeah I'm watching those videos now.

>>2413064
Is this from a reference or from imagination? I would use a ruler and a vanishing point to check the perspective on the hallway and shelf, then make sure that your composition works by placing the focal point of the image somewhere near the vanishing point to the eye is drawn to it.

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>>2413193
I felt like I'd be a hypocrite if I told people how to draw perspective boxes if I didn't do it myself so here is my attempt at the box exercise.

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>>2413171
and here is my attempt at the Proko heads from earlier today. They say there's no one more zealous than a convert.

I dunno if this is something that can really be given a definitive answer, but can anyone recommend where to start as far as character design or general design theory? Is there anything to it beyond shape language? I mean there has to be, right? It seems like such a small pool of tools to communicate anything of value with.

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>>2412114
trying the frog; anything i should fix before moving on to finer details?

>>2413240
Frogs have feet, too

How should I go about studying Loomis? I just started Figure Drawing but i'm not sure how to go about applying what I'm learning. Should I just take notes and copy the references?

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>>2413263
Take notes, re-read, spend a lot of time on each bit of information. Draw the examples. Draw it from memory without reference. Draw it again. Apply the knowledge/bits to memory drawings. Repeat.

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Day 3 of drawing. Still having issues with proportions. Skeletin layer hidden

>>2413293
SYMBOLS
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Try keys to drawing or right side of the brain.

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>>2413293
I see this so often. Don't draw scratchy lines. Even when sketching, use bold flowing strokes of the pencil.

i'm starting the draw every day challenge as "CrouchingDragon" because my name is too long

>>2413314
Im learning how to use my wacom tablet.

>>2413321
even then, try to use only one, smooth line

eyeball the line, making the motion with your hand until you're confident that you can get the line down with one stroke. even if you mess up, CTRL+z is always a thing.

if you're chickenscratching digitally, chances are, you're chickensctratching when drawing in real life too. so "learning to use a tablet" is no excuse

try some of the exercises on drawabox.com to get a better handle on line control.good luck!

>>2412625
If you know it's embarrassing that's the first step, keep working towards what you think isn't embarrassing

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Started trying to draw heads. Inching forward.

>>2413476
Watch the Proko videos and try to unlearn your symbolic eyes, nose, and mouth as quickly as possible.

>>2413476
Use reference you're literally stunting progress by not using reference

>>2413487
>>2413489
Will do

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>>2413199
I do plan to use a ruler when it's more finished.

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Fuck, I have no idea how to use Photoshop. There's just so many things you need to correct and change for every other line, all the layers and angles to account to keep going. Doesn't help that my base drawing is completely off.

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So I'm very much a beginner at drawing, and this is like my fourth or fifth drawing this year, but I think I'm making good progress practising from these examples I have in my book.

How do I get my perspective and proportions right though without relying on a grid? I'm always slightly off doing it by eye from reference.

As you can see in this pic I made her face a little too wide, messed up a few of the details, and I have no idea how to shade her hair.

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Are they good?

>>2413524
Stop using lines and think of edges.

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>>2413551
wanted to make the lines more cleaner for better critiquing and I was gonna go over all of them but I need to go, so here's what I got.

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Rate

>>2413566
I'll rate it once you upload the pic with a scanner and not an ipod.

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>>2413567
S-sorry
I was on a 2009 cellphone
Here's the scanned version. There were a lot of sketches on the page, but I decided to post only these two

Rate now

Are there any good resources or exercises for gesture drawing specifically relating to the head and facial expressions? I'm trying to grind out head & face studies but having some kind of directed warmup would be incredibly helpful

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>>2413293
>>2412903
>>2412747
>>2412679
>>2412574
grab a ruler and study draw this

>>2413639
got a bigger image?

>>2413551
>>2413562
that's good but every thing need perspective
to do list
[]study the skull and the muscles construction of the head
[]continue loomis

>>2413653
I'm sorry but what do you mean by "everything needs perspective"? Do the heads look too flat? Like I need to fix the outline to show the head is moved away from the foreground?

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>>2413647

>>2413653

>continue loomis

fuck off nigger

Stupid question guys, I don't have any art to show currently but what is needed to not be considered symbol drawing? I think in terms of cubes/spheres/etc, and perspective and whatnot. But whenever I draw specific things, they look flat/like "symbols". And I was told you don't even NEED shading to show form.

(yes, im the eye guy, but I seemingly couldn't get a clear answer).

If I draw an eye exactly how I see it without tone. It looks flat as shit, I draw the ball, the lids, everything. And yet I still get lolsymboldrawing

what gives?

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>>2413677
>I'm sorry but what do you mean by "everything needs perspective"? Do the heads look too flat?
no .. you just need to practice some more..
and you see what anon did to this image >>2413203 his following his perspective soo study what anon is doing
>Like I need to fix the outline to show the head is moved away from the foreground?
i don't have the answer to that question sorry

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>>2413693
im not a nigger im Asian

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>>2413682
thanks!

>>2413741
i love your art
i can feel the struggle the pain

>>2413767
thanks! but take care not to look only after feelings, its not that dificult to get them across, the hard part is to make skills follow their path, i think i'm not there, you can like my art, but take care not to say its any good, but thanks!

>>2413551
Not bad for a beginner. You're going in the right direction. Keep it up and switch between proko and drawabox. You'll learn elements from one that will help in the other and vice versa.
Also important, dont use short scratchy strokes. Plan you stroke, do a few strokes in the air to get the feel of it, and then make the line in one smooth stroke. If you do build in the line, make sure they overlap so they don't look like fuzzy scratches.

>>2413544
https://youtu.be/1EPNYWeEf1U?list=PL39135B8D190B7C97
Proko's head drawing playlist will help you a lot. From the pencil lines you just banged in the features without any construction, which is why everything is asymmetrical and out of proportion.

>>2413776
I guess I posted this in the wrong thread. Can anyone here give any critique?

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>>2413697
Symbol drawing means you are ignoring the values of the reference photo and instead drawing cartoon contour lines. This happens because your brain sees a human face with eyes, nose, and mouth, and then your eyes turn off and you stop processing visual information and start printing out from your mind what you think those features should look like. You have to force yourself to look at shadows and contour lines as just shapes and not whatever body part they resemble.
Try drawing something like this. It's still human bodies, but doesn't contain many recognizable symbols. You have to measure and render the shapes you see and not just "write" the symbols.

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>>2412232
Thanks for crit! Here's another attempt with custom brushes. Still not happy with the foliage but it took much less time than the other one.

>>2412241
No I just didn't know how to render leaves with basic brushes without spending whole day on it, so I tried taking the lazy way.

>>2413697
Try this exercise

>>2412130

>>2413714
unix. relearn how to draw eyes, i get very angry everytime i see your art because it reminds me of some autist i knew.

I'll crit every eye study or eye test you do. Because I really do hate them a lot.

>>2413697
You can break out of symbol drawing by using line thickness as a substitute to value changes.

>>2413682
ONE FOOT IN ONE FOOT OUT? LOOOMIS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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Hello /ic/

I've been going at drawing for about seven months now with abysmal results, I've tried too many times and have given up too many times.

I hope to end it once and for all this time by creating an objective based list to divide and partition the steps in becoming a master into manageable pieces. In other words I'm trying to not set the goal as the peak of the mountain but instead trying to set a small challenge that can be achieved in a week, or a month.

I am also trying to analyze myself, and my motivations. As far as I'm concerned if I forget my motivations I lose my initiative and my will and end up quitting.

Please help me divide the checklist if you feel any areas are so broad as to require more than a week to complete, I've been reading around and looking at books and this is about as far as I got it so far.

>>2413900
delete everything you have, study :
20 gestures, 10 hands, 1 value study, 5 sketches from imagination every day ( 1 h 30) or something simple. You're just started, you're gonna burn out.

In doing all of these keep form in mind.

Also the first thing you should think about is being able to draw what you see since it may interfere with even basic shapes ( you can symbol draw a cube too!)

PS: anatomy isnt important the way you think it is.

>>2413900
Post some of your work. And 7 months isn't that much, you should be happy with even minimal improvements.

>>2413916
not true bro. in 7 months i improved a ton and was doing something like 30 minutes a day.

The beginning is where you improve most.

>>2413817
Whats the point of not doing scratch work when you can just use layers in photoshop and other programs?

>>2413834
>>2413891

so basically, do what I have been doing, but thicken lines in some areas/remove in some areas, less lines show more, etc?

>>2413943
how about you do some construction like in the proko videos.

>>2413946

i do do the same thing, i dont use the same drawing shit he does though, I use pencil. But it shouldn't matter. When I do the same thing he does, it looks symbol-y as shit construction wise.

PS He is annoying as fuck making his vids hard to watch.

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Everyday when i get up in the morning i draw my leff hand. keep grinding or is there something i can do to improve faster? Do they look flat?

>>2413917
depends on the person

>>2413562
head construction is looking nice; now study how the neck connects and moves as the head tilts and rotates. learning the muscles of the neck (loomis's "Figure Drawing for All It's Worth" has a brief section on the neck muscles)should help you to get a better feel for the various forms of the neck in 3d

>>2413584
i like the right one especially; but left guy is too light

>>2413697
ayyyy south park guy

>>2413980
picture quality is too low to properly judge

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>>2414000
I guess you dont have the spark.

>>2414027
wrong image

>>2413900
Instead of drawing basic shapes in perspective, you can also draw real shapes in perspective. Not much difference and more interesting. Lots of objects can be sketched first as more basic shapes anyway.

Gesture is probably pointless; I got only use for it once I tried myself with animating things. Read it, but don't expect magic, because you probably don't have an urgent need for it.

For drawing cute girls doing cute things, learning anatomy is obviously important, but don't be surprised if you get worse while you learn, because you will have a hard time stylizing the real anatomy. You will have to modify the shapes you learn a lot.

As for learning anatomy, just get the basic shapes and important landmarks and refine with time. Don't go with muscles and bones right from the start. The head is probably the least important if you draw manga.

Perspective is easily misunderstood and badly done if you only learn it as something to construct. It's easy to think you grasped it because it looks like geometry, but that is easily your downfall. but maybe somebody else can shed a better light on that.

What seems overlooked but matters is light/shadow. Adding shadows and hilight makes a huge difference and leads you away from terrible outline drawings.

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>>2414019
how about now?

>>2414030
At least I know how to delete a post that went wrong.

>>2414040
by picture quality i didn't mean the resolution, i actually meant the blurriness of the drawings and everything looks faded

but if the drawings really are like that IRL, then work on rendering smooth transitions from light to dark and increase the darkness of your darkest lines because otherwise the lighting doesn't 'read' as well

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>try the sticky shit
>look at it
>fml

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Here, have a hand.

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>>2414166
You should work on line weight more if you want a beefy outline like that to not flatten your shit to pieces.

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Orrignional do not steal

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Took me about 30 mins.
Is there a "right way" to learn landscape painting ? For the couple weeks ive been learning to draw ive just painted whatever comes to my mind

>>2413891
>unix. relearn how to draw eyes, i get very angry everytime i see your
>art because it reminds me of some autist i knew.
>'ll crit every eye study or eye test you do. Because I really do hate
>them a lot.
im going to post this eye drawing every day until you like it

>>2414190
Do it anon, that guy seems like an asshole.

>>2414197
nhaa his the king so no treason

>>2414039
Thank you for this amazing feedback anon, edited the document to reflect your input.

>>2413911
I don't entirely agree with your post, I only agree with your second paragraph on drawing what I see.


>>2413916
Here's what I have from the last time I gave it a go
http://radiantrain.deviantart.com/

>>2414206
Pretty shit to be honest.

Is it viable to use balls as shorthand for joints when you have an understanding of the movement and limits of those joints?

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>>2414166
>>2414040

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>>2414216
anon, 7 months? you arent trying.

>>2414247
My problem is a lack of direction which quickly demotivates me, this is why I'm trying to create a list of objectives to tackle sequentially.

>>2414216
the jellyfish is pretty cool

>>2414253
Drawing on the right side of the brain - betty edwards
Keys to drawing - bert dodson

Either of those are absolute essentials for beginners. Go through one of those books over the course of a few weeks and do nothing else but devote your time to those books. I was a beginner a few months ago, and those books have done wonders. Worry about your list afterwards.

>>2414300
drawing on the right side of the pseudoscience :^)

Why is it so much harder to draw people with clothes

>>2414332
because you mainly practice body, because you dont know how folds work, because clothes arent simple shapes, because clothes allow you to do anything you want as opposed to the human bodies rules.

>>2414306
kek

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>>2414306
>>2414347
samefag

It's a good book, get over it. Going all elitist about bert dodson like you're the best for choosing him of le inferior betty edwards xDdd.

It's a great starter book, and has some very interesting concepts backed by actual scientific study. Though i'm not going to lie there is A LOT of bullshit, who cares? different strokes. What a child you are.

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destroy me,senpai

>>2414187
There's a lot that can be learned to help improve your landscapes. But, as for a "right" way.. Everyone's different. Someone might find reading countless books on composition and color studies to be tedious, while another would enjoy it.

As a beginner, what I found most useful was to read a little from a composition book, then take a painting I like and try to color pick/see what techniques they used to make it look good to me. How did they establish a focal point? How did they use color, lighting, depth, size to enhance their composition? etc.. Yea, just come up with a personal technique for learning that works for you.

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>>2414399
really isnt a good book.

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Her right arms a bit fucked but I think I did a solid job.

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>>2414414
Just some random Anon posting this. Personally, idk why he/she called you a samefag, or why you even tried proving that you're not... but..

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>>2413891
>>2414338
>>2414306
>reminds me of some autist i knew.
i keep doing the same eye's every day until you like it !!!
Nose Jester ¢π!!!!

>>2414434
(You)

>>2414039
gesture is the foundation for all figures, it is EXTREMELY important if you want life in your figures, and it translates into everything you draw. and considering their goal is drawing cute girls, it's a fucking no brainer

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I've done this over a hundred times today, this is what I have so far, thoughts?

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>>2414587

>>2414587
I love this

>>2414639
can't see it, take a better pic or darken the lines

>>2414650
>>2414587 is actually pretty good compared to your shitty redline, not sure why you're trying to point out flaws in mediocre art when yours is also mediocre

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>>2414659

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>>2414662
>mediocre
i can't even draw will .. i can only draw stick man

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Yo back again. Another drawing of OC. Anything I should fix?

>>2414675
Looks good for what it is, but I don't really think /ic/ is the place for cartoony style stuff

>>2414677
>cartoony style stuff
the only thing not welcome on /ic/ is non-representational art and people who refuse to improve.

>>2414662
well even if he can't can't draw well, you can still learn something.
Like how he pointed out the neck was missing.

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Is it okay to practice measurement like this?
Say, you mark the lines on how many heads tall they are, then on traditional paper, mark the same length and go about measuring from there? Or will this create bad habits and should I do it manually with my pencil.

>>2414680
well /ic is filled with people refuse to accept what did they do wrong
for example this anon >>2414662
and this is why /ic/ will never improve

How many of you have actually gone through and internalized / memorized all of Scott Robertson's how to draw?

Did it help you a lot?

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Here I drew drake
Didn't study any art maybe just skim through some tutorials and read up on shading
Drew with reference
I know I know that fucking hand and nose

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I'm hopeless

When i study a drawing i'm depressing and sick because i want draw amazing shit urgently (you have to memorize all muscle until april like that so faggot do it quick!)but when i saw my draw with imagination, it's a literally crap, and getting depress how can i compete with this shit? I'm just draw with references every day

>>2414731
Draw from imagination if you want your drawings from imagination to be better dummy. Gesture and simplified form are more important than muscles.

>>2414723
Don't try that exercise on a tablet, it's meant to be done on paper. If I'm not mistaken you're working from Right Side of the Brain; that whole book is better worked through with pencil and paper. There's even a whole section about sculpting with graphite that can only be done traditionally.

>>2414731
Learn how to gesture draw.
Learn the anatomy and all that good stuff. Do a lot of gesture drawing (prefer live if possible). Then go back home, practice from imagination as to why it looks shitty.

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>>2414587
Some really quick things I noticed, the torso I think is also kind of off but can't really pin in without changing the entire picture. Hope this helps

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halp

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Tell me how to fix this without starting over, if possible.

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giant flying baby for Draw Every Day
how would one generally render fire?

>>2414720
i don't even know what's going on here lol

>>2414762
that's real nice m. cinema, loving the lighting and the glow from inside
you're on a level above me but all i can say is wheel looks flattened and a bit weird because there's no shadow or highlight where it meets the ground

besides that i aim to be as good as you soon

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>>2414768
use reference bro

a bi friend of mine saw me drawing today and said my female figures were 'fuckable'
i guess it means i'm starting to do something right :D

>>2414774
spoonfeed me please

how do you go beyond breaking that plume of fire down into areas of colour and move onto the subtle details? what's the workflow for it like on digital?

actually while i wait for a response ill try studying that ref

>>2414409
You need to stop before you break more thumbs with your drawings. Perspective is all over the place.Construction is shit/10, stop outlining and start forming

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>>2414768
There I think I fixed the wheel, and tried to add some more details to make it look more interesting to me. Thanks

>>2414805
YO THIS IS SWEET

>>2414757
some1 pls

I'm just about to start doing the Drawabox exercises, should I do something alongside them or just go through with the exercises until I've finished everything on the site?

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I feel like I rush my pictures, but rushing is also my regular pace. But if I were to try to go slower, I would just translate that as drawing the lines slower. Idk how to take my time with this kinda stuff and like really look at my reference.

>>2414757
not sure what you were doing studies of but i guess this is what happens when nobody takes a real figure drawing class.

>>2414546
That's not your concern.

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>>2414895

>>2413562
USE REFERENCE PLEASE. Everyone uses reference, even your very favorite artist. You don't have to copy the reference, but you need to look at one to see how things work. LOOMIS AND WHATEVER CONSTRUCTION METHOD WON'T MAGICALLY HELP YOU DRAW HEADS CORRECTLY, THEY ONLY HELP YOU SIMPLIFY THE REFERENCE AND HELP YOU DRAW FROM IMAGINATION IN THE FUTURE

>>2414884
i was trying to do figures from imagination..

>>2412265
Your front and side view look like the same character to me, though that front view has a oddly wide jaw while the side view is normal.

Remember, with a drawing, you have forms you don't see because it's just an outline, e.g from the front view you don't see the bulge of the cheeks. So when you turn it, the form of the cheek starts showing, because now you're drawing the outline of the cheek, while the other side of the face starts disappearing out of view, and also the back of the head starts showing. So while keeping this in mind, drawing it in another angle while measuring the proportions either by just eyeballing it(experience), or just measuring however way you do it.

Couple this mindset with looking at reference video footage, pausing constantly wherever something looks interesting, of someone's head moving around and observe closely how things look

is the New Masters Academy online subscription worth it?

>>2414865
I'd say only do Drawabox until you're confident with them.
Loomis is for more advanced study, but you might be able to do that afterward.

>>2412916
Depends what you were trying to do. If it helps, the crosshatching/shading feels random and doesn't follow any consistent light nor does it follow the shape of the face, the cigarette is flat. I kinda like the eyes but the eyebrows look boring and lifeless. The hair is uncanny if that makes sense, you tried to draw too many random strands.

If none of that matters then no you didn't fuck up, the drawing looks okay to me

>>2414187
use darker darks, lighter lights

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>>2414757
more figures from imagination, where am i going wrong? tear me a new butt hole

>>2414693
Yes it's okay, whatever helps you make the end product.

More importantly, learn to think for yourself,
"Am I deadset on just getting good at eyeballing those proportions?"
If yes, then I practice eyeballing. If I don't care about learning this skill right now then I just need to measure the lengths. You learn how to eyeball proportions eventually either way though if you measure a lot

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>>2414919
also some characters from just over a week ago

>>2414912
Don't listen to this guy, Loomis and Drawabox are useless.

holy shit this board is slow

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I dont know what to say
I gave up thinking about "draw kickass hentai" like that only thing i can do is drawing bunch of fugure drawings now

>>2414919
keep studying anatomy and think more about a line before you put it down, do not go over lines again even if they are wrong, just do the whole figure again. Other than that keep practicing and you'll probably get better.

also study hands and feet, you are not drawing them in some figures cause you know they're hard for you.

>>2414929
Don't just make dumb assertions

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first time studying seriously anatomy, am i doing it wrong?

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>>2414983
>2015
Are you a time traveler?

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Realized two days ago that I really suck at drawing eyes and lips (as well as drawing most other things, but these two things in particular). So I've been pretty much exclusively focusing on eyes and lips (while attempting to fill in the rest of the face. Here's something I did this morning. I'll post some other sketches I did on my sketchbook in a little bit. Please critique. Sorry about how sketchy it is.

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>>2414988
Sketched in the rest of the features. I think her head is too wide.

>>2415005
That afro hairy nose is creeping me out. Try lines that go along with the form next time.

>>2415005
Her eyes are just fuckhuge.

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:^)

>>2414920
Thanks for that.
Yea, my practice will come from training wheels like this, then trying to eyeball. Since I go to live figure drawing sessions anyways, of course I won't have this luxury, but I was just curious to know if this was too strong of a handicap. Thanks for the feedback.

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>>2415005

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>>2415027

>>2415036
Is this supposed to show the correct proportions?

>>2415038 here

I worked on this for a little under an hour. Is that an appropriate amount of time for the end result?

>>2415041
considering most of us cant do it at all, yes

Is studying loomis on tablet is not good?
I used tablet first in my life pretty hard

>>2412214
This drawing is fucking wierd but cool.

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>>2415005
>>2414988
Oh god, those lines are terrible.

>>2414963
If you feel like you've got proportions down start translating figures into 3D and adding detail

>tfw when I know I'm so terrible I don't even want to try

>>2415046
Whatever you want man

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>tfw convincing the sorceress to turn you into a frog is the best chances for you to kiss a girl

>>2415057
Anon.. just don't hurry if you lumis is hard try easier book

just practice least 4hour
don't look after so far just look after 10 minutes

>>2415059
nice symboldrawn crown

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I need to draw more from reference.
I haven't done anything but doodles for months.
I picked up "How To Draw'. I'm going to do my best to learn.

Whats a fundamental? lel jk

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help me out /ic/, show my errors and give me stuff to improve my mistakes. also, loomis

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I know a lot of stuff is shit, but what are the most glaring/fundamental flaws

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>>2415203
Have some color too

i posted this a while ago and got criticism and reworded a bunch of stuff. am i going in the right direction with clouds? they literally looked like grey shit before.

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>>2415239
god damnit

>>2415203

The problem is that you're working with advanced concepts like inventive figure drawing and colour, while having absolutely no idea how to draw in the first place. Read the sticky, work through the material there. It's fine to have fun with drawings like this, but it's not practice, nothing about this piece will help you get better as an artist.

>>2415192

Your construction is non-existent and your image is flat, you're trying to work with things you don't understand. Go to the sticky and start working on the material there.

>>2415244
I'm thinking of starting with drawing on the right side of the brain. Is that okay? I'm not sure where to begin.

>>2415239
>>2415242
what medium are you using? I'm guessing digital painting? If so, I suggest employing the use of textures, such as noise and clouds.

>>2415242

Are you working from a reference? Everything looks unnatural, so I'm guessing you're not. I would stick to refs for now if not. Stick to a hard brush, a lot of it seems muddy/blurred, it's not a good look.

Personally man, I'd just call it, find a reference for a new painting and start over. Work on your edges and strokes, don't abuse the soft brush and mess up your edges with over blending and whatnot.

You could even try painting still life stuff like fruit and whatnot while aiming for stroke economy. That'll get you into the idea of using your brush strokes and edges to convey the idea of what you're painting instead of getting in there and overworking something that's not well designed. Don't do stuff from imagination that you haven't already painted from life many times either. Always use references either way.

>>2415253

There are a few good exercises in it about observation, but there's a lot of filler pseudoscience about how the brain works that you can just skip through.

Keys to Drawing is the book I worked through, and I can definitely recommend that.

>>2415266
its digital. i reworked a fucking ton of stuff including vastly altering the dimensions and canvas size. i know its 'untextured' right now. i just want to know if its going okay so far before i try to start pushing details. before my major revisions some pointing out to me that the clouds looked like literal shit. like a round lumpy greyish white turd. after the revisions i experimented with the 'fish eye' clouds, i think its coming okay i just want to be sure

>>2415267
im not. i just using refs for the general objects like 'sea foam' 'crashing waves' 'distant island' etc. so are you saying its bad? my original critisms were of about the color, poop looking clouds, and i got called on my grass being way to close to the water, which resulted in me widening the canvas by a lot. id rather not scrap it as i already really like it a lot. but youre right about the soft brush abuse. im just barely starting to utilitze flow so i should be able to blend better with the hard brush

also glancing at it really quick the first thing that jumps out at me is the sea foam where the wave breaks. doesnt look natural at all so ill be redoing that too

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Something I did in december, I was sketching a model dressed up like that.

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Critique please.

man where is everyone today

Who else an eternal beginner here?

I've been drawing on and off for over a decade and I'm still on a beginner level.

Sure, I'm improving, I dug out some pictures from when I was starting today and they're autism-tier bad, but I don't have the work ethic or the patience to keep going, and quit each time and then have to relearn half the basics.

And yet I can't give up.

>>2415461
I'm the same as you, man. Drawing is just a hobby for me. I'v been at it for years and there are no signs of me stoping any time soon. But I might never be good enough, I might never reach a level where someone other then me likes my art. But I enjoy what I do and I'm not giving up just yet.

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I've done this a hundred times, how do these look?

>>2415500
Not bad. You are making progress. Keep watching the proko videos and emulate his arm and hand motions to the the rhythm of the strokes.
If you don't have a scanner, take better photos of your paper with correct lighting.

>>2415500
Seems like the same picture you posted before in this very thread. Try drawing a full face and then come back.

>>2412114
Anyone else afraid of frog/toads.....

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>>2415506

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>>2415242
The mountain in the back is way too detailed compared to the stuff in the foreground considering how far away it's supposed to be. The water doesn't make much sense at all, it's WAY too high, all that island should be underwater at this angle. Either lower that water or make the island bigger. Aside from the drawing stuff, the colors and values are really unrealistic and uncanny, do some studies and/or use reference

>>2415563
so much empty space to the sides. are you going to fill that with something? otherwise all that negative space isn't really serving much of a purpose.

>>2415578
A few things to work on:
When you upload your images, don't just post them straight off your phone. They come out huge and in the wrong orientation. Load them into a photo editor on you computer, even just ms paint, and rotate, crop, and rescale them. If the first thing wrong with your image is the presentation, many people will just ignore them or make fun of you instead of see the picture to critique. It's just human nature.
I see your are drawing perspective cubes. That's a good strategy to learn, but you have to do them correctly. Use a vanishing point and a ruler to draw in the guidelines to ensure you draw the box correctly. There's no point in using a guide box if it comes out sloppy.
Your pencil lines are fast and loose. That's fine once you are confident, but for now, just take your time and draw carefully. When you go too fast, your lines just appear on the paper undirected and unintentionally, which makes the whole thing look careless. When you see Prokopenko draw, he hovers his pencil over the paper and "ghosts" in a few air lines before he strokes, which helps him visualize where the line will go and stroke it correctly in one shot. He doesn't just scribble everywhere and hope for the best.
Keep trying and draw larger. Be more deliberate with your lines and make sure to apply all the steps carefully on each sketch.

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>>2415578

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idk if anyone remembers this wip from last time.
let me know if you got any tips or whatever

>>2415673
You haven't improved on it or added anything from last time.
The foreground character is uniformly lit and the ground is just solid black. There's no sense of perspective or light source. Choose a light direction and put major shadows over the figure, and some texture to the ground to show perspective.
Make something concrete in the background since that is a focal point.

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I'm laying down a good foundation for a character I'm creating. Is pic related well proportioned?

>>2415694
The features and proportions are fine, but can I ask why the lines look so stiff?

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Little help here trying to color pls. I don't know how to improve other than painting shadows/lighting around it but it still looks crap and takes too long because I use like 2 px

>>2415718
I did it in photoshop with the pen tool. I don't want to just start sketching. I want a good base. The end result won't be stiff.

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>>2415725
That looks like a sunset/rise painting but youre not taking the color of the ambient light into account. It's gonna end up looking like this.

Perhaps lay down all your base colors first before going into shading/detail.

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>>2415692
i actually wasnt able to see the feedback from last time since the thread pruned before i got back
the only think i've really worked on is the figure. i messed around with his limbs and i think i finally got a satisfactory pose down. initially i wanted to have him hold a spear but whatever

it's actually a redraw of this one i did last spring

>>2415725
Digital painting, right?

Set the black and white image to multiply.
Create a 50% grey layer underneath it.
Color the grey layer.

>>2415734
Hmm ok thanks. Will do
>>2415739
Well shet I already colored raw layer over layer. I don't grayscale or anything

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>>2415694
no

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>>2415754

>>2415610
i think i'll put something there, thanks!

>>2415461
same, it pains me everyday knowing I'll always be stuck at the beginner level.

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Learning leg and foot anatomy, how am I doing? Any muscle or tendon I'm missing or need to make more pronounce?

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>>2415563

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first time drawing a male boy. any tips?

>>2415825
You should try drawing a female boy first.

>>2415828
yeah i forgot to delete "male" before i posted, i changed it at the last second. should have been:

"first time drawing a boy"

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>>2415837
I had a genuine giggle at that. You should've just played it off as a joke.

>>2415822
You've posted a few paintings in the last threads. The first one was nice, but the others look really shit. That one, for example, looks really bad. I'm not sure if you want to have a "child drawing" style to everything or what, but thats what it looks like. Also, perspective is all fucked up

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>>2415825
ok i think i did better

>>2415931
wich one are you talking about?

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Update on my heads

>>2415949
Dunno, I just remember I liked it and then I noticed that you posted a lot of other paintings

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>>2416004
i see, do u think this one has any good point?

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Did 40 gestures for 30 seconds each.
Anyone have an suggestions/critiques if I'm doing anything wrong? (Besides having left "clothed" on)

>>2416042
looking good

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>>2415944
You put the features mostly in the right place but it doesn't look like you planned the drawing first. If you are going to get serious about face and head drawings you should get real paper and take crisper pictures.

>>2415987
You're really coming along well. Try drawing slower and more carefully for the initial circle and measure the oval to make sure its exactly 2/3rd of the height. Make the chin a little wider and have the jawline flare out wider near the chin.
Try to be more economical with your lines. Practice making a few air strokes before each pencil stroke to get the muscle ready and help you visualize where you will draw next. Then make the stroke in one smooth motion. You can rotate the paper around all you want as you draw to help with the angles of your elbow and wrist. That will help you eliminate all these extra lines everywhere and force you to commit to the lines you do draw.

someone else make the thread im out of good photos/

>>2416042
There's only 7 here. Do you have the others on a different sheet? Make a big composite image with all of them.
Your gestures vary a lot in quality. Some of them are great, like the guy kicking over his head and the woman in the dress sticking her hip out. But I think you might be missing the actual point of a gesture. Its supposed to show the action or motion of the figure. You don't really want to make any short lines indicating details or cloths or anything, and you certainly don't want random scribbles or shading.
Try going over more figures and use the fewest lines possible. Only use S and C shaped curves and straight lines sparingly. Indicate curvature of limbs and exaggerate the pose to show expression and emotion. Don't draw any details like clothing.

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well gimp just shit the bed on me and I lost ~2 hrs of "work" so have this shitty doodle of me being infuriated instead

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>>2416129
im not sure if this is some elaborate joke.

>>2416129
>>2416127
>>2416127
>>2416127

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>>2412114
What I learned: Measurement is easier to estimate with the paint layer than with the pre-sketch. I just need rough shapes with the sketch. Color-matching by sight is fucking hard. I even used the color picker for my swatches, but they still ended up weird. I need to do my mixing on a separate layer instead of experimenting on the canvas. The anatomy of a frog isn’t ingrained in my mind. This is why they should be dissecting frogs in school...

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Skull Studies

What I learned: The brow-ridge is why I wasn’t understanding the transition from nose to forehead. I have a lot of trouble with the ¾ view because of years of drawing manga shit. I have a hard time estimating the width of my drawings; some skulls are too wide while others are too narrow. I need to mark the horizontal edges as well as top and bottom. Motherfucking cheekbones. How do they work? I want to keep drawing, but the skulls are 2spoopy.

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I cannot, for the life of me use reference. Anytime I even put up a photo to use, I just can't do anything anymore. I have no idea what is wrong with me; I'm thinking I'm just lazy and inexperienced when it comes to life drawing and stuff but its such a fucking issue. Something about dealing with real reference makes me anxious I guess. I only draw from imagination. I can only use reference if I look at something, then try to remember what it looks like (albeit fucked up; because there's no god damn reference)


How do I stop this fucking shit? Someone tell me to stop being a bitch


Pic related; my skill level atm.

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>>2412119

anyone has a link for a site with HD amphibian pictures?