How can so many people find History to be boring?

WE WUZ

They all only care about the "cool" parts, like D-day or the Mongol Conquests, or the Crusades or dumb shit like that. They don't care about the machinations and major changes that history made.

But what do I know, I just play Paradox games.

>>2672447
The history taught in public schools suck so i cant blame them

>>2672447
They see things purely in terms of utility. History to them is something of the past, it's a foreign place and they do things differently there. They believe that society is inexorably moving forward towards a more "civilized" and pleasant existence and that looking back will raise the spectres of undesirable shit like nationalism, genocide and the brutal building blocks that make up modern nation-states.

>>2672447
>What is history like for normies?

Hitler, WW2, Rome, Declaration of Independence

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>tfw IRL nobody ever heard of the Austro Hungarian empire at all
>tfw people on the internet have an encyclopedic knowledge about it
>tfw your broad vague knowledge about it puts you head and shoulders above the normalfags but you're pretty much a mental midget compared to people who consider themselves history buffs
I just don't belong fuck this gay earth

>>2672461
They really don't think that deep.

Not everyone, but a significant part of society don't give a shit about any intellectual pursuits.

>>2672447
For normies, history is basically

Beginning of time – 1900: evil white Christian males oppressing womyn and PoC

1900-2017: social progress

>>2672447
Live long enough to see it repeat or be rewritten in front of your eyes and it suddenly becomes rather fascinating.

>normies
>>>/r9k/

>>2672469
>Not everyone, but a significant part of society don't give a shit about any intellectual pursuits.
I agree. However the view of widespread public ignorance doesn't gel well with a lot of social commentary that makes large assumptions about what people do/do not think or know.

>>2672483
"Normie" is a convenient shorthand for the average basic-bitch though

>>2672464
Same here fampai. Just enjoy your stem degree and history as a hobby.

It is astounding that in my extremely limited knowledge of history how above and beyond my understanding is than the average person. Even people I consider intelligent. Most stem degree holders have almost no historical knowledge at all. It's mindboggling.

Majority of people are functionally illiterate. There is a reason why education was a privilege of the very few for the most part of human history. You can teach a person to read and write, you can shove things into their brain by force but in the end they will still have the mindset of a child.

Very few possess a natural inclination for broader learning that goes above utilitarian goals. Most people just stay on tracks laid before them and follow until they reach a dead end.

>>2672455
/his/ is pretty shallow itself
it's mostly talking about wars, or talking about things in the way it lead to wars or things that used in wars
yet the most popular thing to do on his is taking the bait

>>2672455
But anon crusaders were a capitlistic machination

like if christians were the west and muslims the communists and the middle east germany

>>2672483
NORMIE GET >>>/out/
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>2672447
>what's history like for normies

>Rome
>medieval Europe
>American Revolution
>ww2

That's pretty much it

>>2672723
I'm always amazed over the fact that humanity owes basically everything we've become and done to like 0.001% of people.

>>2672649
It's worrying and confusing. It must just feel like being lost without any knowledge of how we got here. It must be like being born at 25 with all your currently knowledge but no memories of before 25.

One thing i like to do is ask people when they think planes, cars and electricity was invented.

It's hilarious when people say cars were invented 300 years ago or planes in medieval times, and these are people with good jobs and intelligence.

>>2672447

Because it's objectively boring. Bunch of irrelevant shit that happened long ago to a bunch of dudes I'll never meet? Hard to find anything of interest in it.

>>2672449
NEGROS

>>2672840
You could make that statement about literally anything just by changing a few words.

Get off this board then.

>>2672447

My cousin until today did not know why there were 2 Korean nations.

Or that not every country the US fought was communist.

He is 27.

He admits he feels like he knows nothing of the world because he only cared about his own immediate surroundings and feels stupid though.

Most people don't worry about things they cannot change or has 0 effect on them. Stoicism at its finest. Literal by-product of western philosophy. I'm the East, the average person cares a lot more about history.

>>2672938
Really? Average Chinese or Japanese strikes me as a soulless robot even more so than a Westerner.

>>2672907
>and feels stupid though.
Because he is.

>>2672961
Chinese really don't have souls, hearts, emotions or a conscience. Japanese have all of these things, maybe even moreso than westerners. They're just incredibly outwardly reserved and have very formal customs dictating public interactions.

It's the way it's taught.
(((They))) don't want you to learn from past mistakes so they don't emphasize it or make it easy to understand for people. They make you memorize shit like "Christopher Columbus sailed the ocean blue in 1492" but they never tell you that the Turks took over the Silk Road so they had to find a new route to India. They tell you that the Holocaust happened because of an irrational hatred of Jews but they don't tell you that Jews started a civil war before Hitler stepped up.
They make you memorize a bunch of factoids and become trivia wizards and pass a beanbag around but it never becomes a learning experience. Exactly what (((they))) want.

>>2673649
It's like you were with me k-12

>>2673649
So, you aren't cynical about "normies" being intellectually un-curious?

>>2672464
Life is not that black and white friend.

>>2672464
If you are an anglo, you should be aware that you might be talking to actual austrians and hungarians. Kids in serbia, bulgaria and greece probably know more about Byzantium that most people here and people here know their shit.

>>2673649
>that Jews started a civil war before Hitler stepped up
legitimately have never heard this. what happened?

>>2673649
Wow that's so great that you beat the system. congrats.

>>2673649
Yes, it's all a jewish conspiracy, everything's a jewish conspiracy.
You're so fucking blind, they want you to think it's the jews, it's something far greater than your puny mind could even fucking fathom.

Those who learn from history are condemned to teach it.

>>2673702
I think he refers to the German Revolution of 1918

>>2673702
German Revolution of 1918–19
started by communist jews Paul Levi, Eugen Levine, Rosa Luxemburg. They led an army of 2 million to establish a communist nation right after WWI.

>>2672938
>stoic philosophy is a policy of pure ignorance
Lol
People nowadays, like people throughout all of human history just pay attention to what's directly in front of them and how they feel about it. Not think, but feel. That is not stoicism you oriental fuck

>>2672447
because history (and geography, and philosofy, and law, and many other humanities) as taught in school is just an endurance challenge for your memory, or at least it was for me
i was supposed to memorize dates, names, and general actions going on between people without ever having a discussion of why shit was relevant,
i was never told columbus enslaved and tortured people, i thought he just arrived, set up some trade routes a la Marco Polo and lived a happy life
i was never told the amerindians had their own political strife when the colonist arrived
i just had to memorize fact after fact without ever understanding (until now that i read aboit those topics on my own free time) why slavery was bad, why segregation is not good (you could not even dare ask those questions in school) or what was the fucking relevance of the renaissance

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>>2673712
Warning: Massive redpill

>>2673789
A lot of the Irish came here as indentured servants though, at least my ancestors did.

>>2672447
Probably because they can't comment on it and get upvotes or likes.

>>2673789
Lel this meme is a joke, jews are uncomfortable with people pointing out their disproportionate so they cook up a false equivalence. Pathetic.

>>2673732
you're forgetting carl liebknecht was a christian and he led the spartacist revolt.

>>2673732
An uprising is not the same as a civil war

Karl Liebknecht was not Jewish, but you conveniently left him out.

>They led an army of 2 million
No they didn't.

You're literally talking about a period when there were a shitload of fascist uprisings occurred too. The stereotype for Jews is that they're rich, greedy entrepreneurs or bankers, so why the fuck would they even "mostly" support the communists?

Can I also request that you stop making up facts?

>>2672447
I wonder how people like that go about their daily lives. They don't realise that their way of life today was made possible by people in history, and that they themselves will be considered history to future people whose lives they will influence, to a positive or negative degree.

>>2672840
It's impossible to understand the way the world is today without history.

>>2673649
The Turks didn't take over the Silk Road you fucking idiot. It was the Venetians and Egyptian Mamluks monopolizing the trade between the Indian Ocean and the Mediterranean and driving up prices for Indonesian spices. The Portuguese had already rounded Africa by the time the Ottomans took over Egypt.

You spout off the kind of shit you'd read in a crappy high-school textbook and act like you've uncovered some kind of lost knowledge. How much of a fucking moron can you be?

>>2672649
I know a woman who's an accomplished geneticist. She says "History buffs are such nerds, I can't remember all those fucking dates." which I found amusing.
Knowledge connects with prior knowledge. Learning in a field you're somewhat educated is a lot easier than diving in as an autodidact. Interest also plays a part. Some fields like philosophy, theoretical physics and set theory can get rather abstract so I can see why people find it hard to hold their concentration. History seems similarly "floaty" to a lot of people.

>>2674002
>Jews

Yeah, it always has to be Jews, doesn't it faggot? It's not like white people that disagree with the "jewish conspiracy theory" could possibly make an image ridiculing it. That would be too simple. Everything that contradicts you has to add to your gay little paranoid narrative.

>>2674917
I still don't understand how/why people pidgeonhole themselves into one area of study though. I'm a biochemist and I still love learning about history, philosophy, religion, etc. My co-worker (biomedical engineer) and I were talking about religion the other day (she is Anglican) and she had no idea that she fell under protestantism. She also didn't know what the Orthodox Church was or that Judiasm, Christianity, and Islam all are religions "of the book." My ex gf's family is Polish (her grandparents were off the boat) and she knows next to nothing about the history of her people. It just boggles my mind how people can be so ignorant of even the things that are related to them directly and don't even give a shit about that fact.

>>2674932

A Polish flatmate once told me "Never trust a Bulgarian" - I wonder what historical factors are behind that statement that he is probably unaware of, yet still influences his view on the world.

>>2672461
This

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Convince me that history is important to know.

>>2674926
What difference does it make if a jew made it or a goy who wanted to prove his 'greatest ally' status made it.

>>2672455

You should get out more and talk to real people. Most people barely know what D-day is, and all they know about the Crusades is that it was a thing that happened at some point.

>>2672447
>what is history like for normies
"A bunch of people killing each other in increasingly common ways because Homo Homini Lupus, amirite?"

>>2672464
Fuuuuuuuuucking this

>Be miles ahead of the learning curve when it comes to normies and casuals
>On /his/, I'm just some ignorant little faggot

I WANNA KNOW OBSCURE, ESOTERIC SHIT TOO

>>2672447
>How can so many people find History to be boring?
Because 99.9% of humans are retarded plebes with no higher thought or consciousness whatsoever.

>lol what's on tv?
>lol what's for dinner?
>lol I have to go to school/work tomorrow
>lol time to go to bed and do it again

>>2675055
Not answering for everyone ITT, but for me, no two greater factors have influenced my life for the better than an appreciation for history, and an appreciation for the weights.

History teaches you humility, how to come to terms with your human nature. It places your ethical, moral quandaries in a relative plane of space so that you become undistracted from the boundaries of the 21st century.

It teaches you to appreciate your life, and enjoy your body so that it may live in harmony with your mind. Pretty much, all hippy-dippy bullshit aside, what I'm trying to tell you is that history is like anthropology, is like psychology, is like self-discovery.

You learn history to learn about humans, to apply to the humans around you, and to apply to yourself. The study of history is the study of humans, which, recently, has been vastly underappreciated in a classroom setting; especially in most American public schools, which I find highly upsetting.

American schools really need to pump up their history and PE regimen.

>>2672483
> >>>/r9k/
lurk more you fucking cuckold

I still dont know much of anything and have read very few primary sources but i used to believe that people were very different to us even as little as 100 years ago.
Understanding how we're really the same just in different enviroments and with different ethical standards kind of takes the seriousness out of modern life. Seeing the ripples through history and understanding that one man's decisions can make a difference to many is comforting.
Looking really far back to primitive man and even prior really humbles me, the odds that all my ancestors lived long enough to procreate and allow me to be born is amazing. Downright sad that i likely wont continue that line.

Understanding the scope of history and the power structures involved throughout and how powerless most modern day politicians are.

Understanding history and how marketing/media operate and manipulate are the two things that help keep me from being a brainless pleb and help filter any information so that i can educate myself while being at least aware of any biases i may harbour.

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>>2672833
>that one fucker who invented the spear
wew

>>2672447
fiction is like pornography
history is like an actual relationship, with the boring preamble, the accidental farts, the drama and so forth

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English school

>Year 7 (6th grade)
the Native American holocaust & colonialism (s-so sorry...)
>Year 8
African Slavery (s-so sorry...)
>Year 9
Jewish Holocaust, with nothing about the actual war (s-so sorry...)
>Year 10
History of medicine, interesting!
>Year 11
Hitler's rise to power, THE RISE OF EVIL!!!1 (s-so sorry)
>Year 12
Feminism in the Middle Ages (almonds activated)
>Year 13
The Bolshevik Revolution and Dialectical Materialism (almonds engaged)

At the end of all this I was talking to a student wanting to study PPE, at OXFORD no less. I started talking about the Levellers. And she said "really? we had a civil war? who with?". I started to sort of quiz her on English history, she didn't know about the War of the Roses, the Peasants' Revolt, the Reformation, the English Civil War, the Glorious Revolution, the Industrial Revolution, she didn't know Turkey was involved in WW1. But she knew the British Empire was evil, the first "Britons" were African Roman soldiers, that the shoah was the single most despicable genocide in human history, and that the British, although fought to win that war against Germany are also implicated in that crime. She knew that Hitler was the antichrist, and the most evil man in history, and that anyone that made a moderately affirmative statement about their own culture, in fact anyone that did not explicitly condemn their own culture, was a fascist. And that everything is relative, so there is no good or evil anyway, unless you're a RACIST NAZI.

Now she is an SJW at Oxford doing PPE and she wants to go into politics. She was into that whole Rhodes must fall bollocks too. The reason Britain is going down the toilet is that state-schools, and even private schools to a great extent, are teaching nonsense, so they come out with absolutely no grasp of their history or culture, and no appreciation of any prior religious or secular institutions. She'll probably get ahead in politics too because she was a slut.

>>2675758
At my high school history wasn't that bad
>Year 7
English history 1000-1800
>Year 8
Victorian period and French Revolution and British Empire
>Year 9
World War 1 treaty of Versailles Weimar Germany and the Great Depression
>Year 10
Nazi Germany pre and during WW2, Cold War and Vietnam War
>Year 11
Pretty much just revising year 9 and 10

>>2674097
>>2674735
the overwhelming majority of the leadership was Jewish, you hooked onto the exception.

I actually don't remember what it is I learned in high-school history.

>>2672464
Same here, my man.
I dislike it especially when my friends refer to me as some sort of authority on History, when I am aware of how little I actually know.

My highschool literally only had history for years 10 and 12. Even then the year 10 class was world history and my teacher was a Liberal Chuck who told people that Hitler invaded Italy, Finland, and Persia. Then in year 12 it was American history and again the teacher was a Liberal cuck who shilled for Hillary. I remember asking a Normie when I was in 11th grade if he knew what D-day was and he had no idea

>>2674926
>t. Butthurt JEW

History is boring when you don't have the context to make connections. Without those connections it's just a dry jumble of disparate facts.

That's why I recommend Crash Course World History™ as told by John Green and his team of experts to all high school students are starting college students looking a broad take on world history.

>>2673780
You sound like my hs history teacher. I graduated highschool a couple of years ago, and now it's dates and names but you have to qualitatively asses them using modern moral standards. It's just as boring and oversimplified as it used to be, it just has a moralist tint to it.

All of my history from high school onwards focused on making connections between events and (reiterating)explaining why one thing led to another and the major causes and results. The distaste for memorization and recital was there early on at least in my schooling. I studied in the US.

In Sweden what I learned in school was something like this
>Grades 1-5
Vikings, Norse Mythology
>Grade 6
Swedish history 11th-19th century
>Grade 7
American war for independence, French Revolution, Very briefly about Napoleon
>Grade 8
Industrial Revolution, some bs about WW1 ("the machine gun was invented so that people wouldn't dare to start any wars"), WW2
>Grade 9
More extensively the Industrial revolution, WW1 and WW2, post-war period, Vietnam
>Grade 10
Even more extensively about the industrial revolution, WW1, WW2, post-war, Vietnam, balance of power.

>>2672464
This how it is with Islam, except everyone on /his/ has below normie tier knowledge of the religion.

>>2672447
>people are not all the same and have different interests and priorities.
Why is this so shocking for you?

>>2677293
>except everyone on /his/ has below normie tier knowledge of the religion.
That's because IRL people just nod along with your taqqiah for fear of being beheaded, but on the internet are not afraid to call you out on your bs.

>>2674885
Shhhh

>>2675263
But then ham planets and weaklings would complain because people in better shape would constantly embarrass them :(

>>2677255
In the US I learned
1-6
Declaration of independence
Civil War
World War 2
American Civil war
7-9
Rome
Egypt
Neolithic revolution
10-12
State history
French Revolution
More ww2
Cold war
Spanish American war
More civil war
World War 1
Manifest destiny


I had two abnormaly good history teachers for my high school years though. They covered a lot of stuff and really cared about what they were teaching.

>>2676983
I know this is a meme but fuuuuuuuuuuuck John Green. He's such a dishonest piece of shit.

>>2672938
Nigga, I live in korea and people here don't know shit about history

>>2675120
This, I wish most people had the "shallow" view of history and appreciate the most epic moments of human experience atleast.

>>2677307
I'm a Christian you faggot, at least meme on my metaphysical beliefs and not the fact that I wish people here could discuss Islam more intelligently.

>>2673649
G8 b8 m8 I r8 it 8/8

>>2675263
You phrased that very nicely, this is what i consider "redpilled"

>>2677335
explain anon. how is he a liar?

>>2672447
Because they are subhumans.

>>2672447
Philistines. Pure and simple.

>>2672461
Spot on.

Normies think modern society is a utopia rather than a living nightmare. Anything that's not the status quo isn't considered to be worth their time.

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>>2673693
>and people here know their shit

>>2672472
don't forget those nasty nazi's

>>2672839

>people say cars were invented 300 years ago or planes in medieval times

Man, I know the normalfags have gotten dumb, but I don't think people are THAT ignorant. At least, I hope not. What kind of asshats are you talking to, anyways?

>>2677664
I think he's talking about the "no woman ruler was ever called the Great" meme that Green uses, despite that being a fucking blatant lie, among other things.

>>2677335
desu I blame Giroux
his idea of critical pedagogy(that education should push a moral agenda so as to raise "ethical" adults) has become crazy popular. John Green is just riding that wave, because making history a self serving moral narrative is easier than making is an interesting, relatively unbiased study of the past.

>>2678032

>Fucking passes over Catherine the Great, even though Green studied the Russian language

Either ol Johnny boy's a complete idiot, or an absolute crook.

In any case, I spit on Green for the liar that he is.

>>2678102
He's mentioned catherine the great in crash course. he's just a liar with an agenda

I knew someone who couldn't point out Greece, Italy, France or the UK on a map.

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>>2672447
> tfw no gf that likes history
Why the FUCK even live?

>>2678270
Most people are geographically and historically retarded, not only do they not have a clue about the past, they don't know where the fuck anything happened either

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>>2678318
Women dont genuinely like anything

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I had a friend who didn't think Ireland has pizza places or electricity.

>>2675617
I can GUARANTEE you that almost EVERY. SINGLE. ONE of your former ancestors has once sat in the corner of the room, thinking to themselves that they may be the last to be the end of their line.

In a thousand years from now, your future progeny will look back at our world and wonder the same things we did, fight the same wars we fought. They will never know you, personally, by name, but in everything they do, and in everything they see, know that you will have done and seen the same things that they did.

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They are normies bro

History is for normalfags, sorry. The past nor present matter
>>2675263
>human nature
>moral quandaries
>appreciate life
>mindfulness (paraphrasing)
Fuck off with your platitudes.

>>2678360
This homo right there speaks the truth.

If anything studying history annihilated my teenage leftist naivete.

Just a simply glance at history will show that it's impossible for humans to cooperate for anything longer than perhaps a dozen generations, or maybe two dozen.

>>2673649
>It's the way it's taught.
YES
physics/biology/chem
>do engaging experiments and learn about why what happened right in front of you happened
maths
>do word problems based on real life and simple calculations, multi-step problem solving
literature
>read books with interesting characters and discuss it
history
>learn names of guys that you can't pronouce that lived in a country that doesn't exist anymore and wrote a journal that's impossible to understand without a teacher holding your hand through it all that also happens to be 400 years old

>>2677816
Well, compared to most of the past, modern first world society is a utopia.

>>2673631
Maybe mainlanders don't. Most of the Chinese I meet in America are perfectly human.

>>2675207
It took me so long to really begin to grasp this. For a while it didn't register, which perhaps means I'm not that smart either. I assumed that most people around me were acting simple for tactical reasons, not that they were really as simple as they seemed.

>>2678628
That's a long time

>>2678676
Well a dozen generations is approximately the age of the U.S.

So, not really that long of a time.

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>>2675758
>And she said "really? we had a civil war? who with?".

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>>2672447
>What is history like for normies?
I imagine they just use fictional movies, books, and games. If they know about a setting or event it was because they saw it in a movie, and that portrayal is the entirety of their conception. Historical settings are common, so I would expect that that is what they use, conscious or not.

>>2675758

This doesn't seem real.

>>2672464
>Mfw my parents and family called me a history buff when i was a kid
>Mfw i was just a faggot that based my knowledge of off dog fights, shootout, patton/battle 360, and modern marvels

>>2675758
>that the shoah was the single most despicable genocide in human history

I don't see how this is wrong though, even though she was a retard.

>>2678822
Why is it 'the most single despicable genocide in human history'? Does it get such a title for the number of heads alone? Recency? Methodology?
Such so certain claim, together with, for most, unknowledge of any other genocide, is simply the result of reductivist propaganda.

>>2678837
Clearly because they killed approximately 11 million people altogether and did so in pretty inhumane ways.

>>2678854
Inhumane ways to kill is a general characteristic of genocides, who would guess? And the tale of specialty over everything else- and in gargantuan scales 'the single most'- is a disservice to this specific event and to any and all others. Singling out, and on a competition by number of deaths, is trashy and convenient.

>>2678895
You sure you want to start morally relativizing the largest genocide on Western soil in history?

>>2672447
History for normalfags is memorizing names and dates, why are you surprised that they find it boring?
You'd find it too if that's all you did.

>>2678915
>start
Not as fast as the propaganda machines work to minimize and obscure any other similar event by creating the special-event aura to this single one.
To morally relativize the genocide of the TR should be considered in more demand than ever for the cause against the reductivism of history.
But it is indeed a lost cause, considering even this one genocide gets to be so deeply remembered exactly because it has been sold for decades through the whole education and media apparatus. The masses couldn't give a fuck about it by themselves, biggest or not. History, like anything else, is for those who care about it, and those are always few.

>>2678971
>Europeans talk a lot about the worst genocide in Western history

Wow, how shocking.

>>2678822
Stalin and Mao killed more.

>>2679022
You seem very happy with your own simplistic built state. Keep shining that #1st place trophy.

>>2679035
And you seem like either some kind of butthurt non-Westerner who feels irrelevant, or a Nazi who is tired of hearing about the 'Holohoax'.

So which is it?

>>2679040
Ah, here it is. Took some time for you to run to the obvious escape.
I do insist, keep yourself deeply satisfied with your "the world made simple" mind. Won't be hard, I imagine.

>>2679058
You're one smug shitposter indeed.

I bet you feel really good about yourself pretending to be this towering intellectual on 4chan.

>>2672447
I don't really think "normies" are ignorant of history any more than I believe anons are really different from normies.

We all get our education from diverse sources

>>2679070
I'm not a smug shitposter, nor do I need to pretend to be a towering intellectual on 4chan.
However, what brings me some satisfaction is to not be one of you: a simple-minded poster, and one who doesn't need to use of any pretension for his state.

>>2679097
Just stop talking pseud.

>>2679099
Why should I attend your pathetic and desperate wish? A wish that by itself already represents nothing?

>>2672447
they party and get laid and stuff

we probably wouldn't care either if we were social butterflies

>>2679104
True. The normie life sure sounds better than the one of the individual who's "into" history. I regret a lot...

>>2675263
This is one of the greatest things I've ever read on 4chan.

>>2675758
>War of the Roses, the Peasants' Revolt, the Reformation, the English Civil War, the Glorious Revolution, the Industrial Revolution, she didn't know Turkey was involved in WW1


I'm Russian and I know about most of those events. How stupid was she?

>>2679142
Sucks to be you

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>>2679103
Because you and >>2679099 are stuck in a circle jerk to see who can jizz on the other guy's face harder. Quit being faggots.

I think it's sad that most people don't give history a second glance in life. I told one of my coworkers that I'm a not minuscule wealth of knowledge of historical information, to which he replied "Yeah, so what can you do with that?" When I told him that I hope to have a deeper understanding of the world around me, he honestly didn't understand what that was for. Now, this isn't a dumb guy. I consider him quite intelligent. He is INCREDIBLY materialistic though, and boring to talk to because the most important thing in his life is getting facebook likes, right above how many women he can sleep with and when the next Iphone update or launch is. Does it frustrate anyone else on a varying scale that the deeper questions in and about life are left buried by most people? I find most people to be very inclined to give opinions when talking about current events or politics.
"You can't take that money from those people! It's wrong!" "You can't let those ragheads into our country" "You can't have guns! They're dangerous!"
But as soon as I ask them why, their brains shut down entirely. They just spill whatever they've seen on TV out of their mouths and they have no idea why they think what they do. Their morals and interests and outrage has been spoonfed to them. They were told what and how to feel and didn't question it. They're almost like parrots. They're not philosophically inclined at all, and therefore have no interest in history because it seems too distant to them to be relevant. This makes me sad. I feel like I'm set apart in my interest for the "Why" and "How" to a lot of things I think, where history comes as the greatest source for. But I don't feel that makes me special. I just feel like that makes me different and a little more fulfilled for thinking about this stuff. It makes me sad too. People miss out on that. Forever.

>>2672447
>WHAT? STUDYING history is your HOBBY?
>WOW Anon (((You))) don't have FRIENDS do you?

>>2679187
No, that's not the case. The equivalence between us is false. Convenient for your intention, but false.

>>2679187
You write like in a blog from a girl in her 20s with low self-esteem because ugly/fat while having her latest social-existential crisis.

>>2672447
>How can so many people find History to be boring?

My own interest in history comes in waves. I saw someone bring up an interesting topic (eg "this post makes me realize that I am so ignorant about Russia"). But I wouldn't be interested in it even if I force myself to it.

It only really becomes interesting to me when I put the topic in relation and connection to what I already know ("Ural mountains...I think I heard about it before..."). Then I can move my ass to read something basic about it.

But even then after some reading it becomes boring and tiring again. So at this point I would try to take notes of what I think I learned from my reading. Usually I can't even write a complete sentence ("So according to this guy in 17C Russia was modernizing????"). This helps me to organize my thoughts and motivates me to study further to compare notes with other students.

I need to see other students like me discussing about the topic. I need seeing someone I can relate to or identify with. 4chan can provide this kind of stimulation but it's limited because I can't always identify with "Anons". Reading a relevant biography or someone with a real name also helps.

Or I would watch a show or a movie even if it is only tangentially related to the topic. Since I know virtually nothing about the topic it usually helps.

In the long run I don't find it interesting unless I "engage" it in some way. So maybe I would force myself to talk with someone about the topic. But I can't do the process in reverse. I can't debate about it online first then become interested about it later. Maybe someone else can.

Back to op's question. I think most people, if not everyone, are in some part of the cycle of interest in history related topics. They surely have their kind of interest about history. They just don't identify with the way "we" talk about it, and don't want to talk with us about it.

Because school fucking teaches it in a boring way. I can't even hold historical illiteracy against most people because they quite frankly didn't have a chance to learn much. Unless they're massively autistic like us. The truth is that the majority of people do enjoy history if you actually teach it in a fun way. I used to make quick run down PowerPoints for my gf because her classes focused exclusively on "the Holocaust was bad" and "the cold war happened". She actually enjoyed learning about Egyptian history, Assyria, Sumeria, and the Ottoman Empire.

>>2675758
You broke me, anon.

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>talking to friend about history
>he's a christian
>had never heard of eastern orthodoxy, the coptic church, the syriac church, etc. etc.
>thought Muhammad lived in India
>thought Buddha lived in China
>had never heard of Laozi or Confucius
He's a young earth creationist now, so things have only become worse

>>2678814
lmao straight describing my childhood anon. Just repeated things I heard on history channel

>>2680109
I've met Evangelicals like this. They don't really have any grasp of Christian tradition because they're told that there really is no tradition to care about.

Christianity = American suburban-style white Evangelicalism as far as they are concerned.

>>2678318
If I yelled "KAISERSCHLACHT ME HARDER" while fucking would you find that hot?

Last guy I did that with found it weird.

Being femanon Prussiaboo is hell

>>2680890
>Last guy I did that with found it weird.
what a fucking casual, that's marriage-worthy

>>2681047
>being thirsty on /his/
Another level

>>2680890
Kys role playing fag

>>2672447
Most of the time history is taught by uninspired, apathetic nobodies who can take even the most interesting things and make them dry and dull by presenting it poorly and leaving out basically all the cool bits.

>>2675263
These values and lessons are in no way exclusive to history, but I'm glad that they can serve as a pathway to them.

>>2672447
>>2675758

I actually quite enjoy our history education here in the Netherlands. Here in the Netherlands we work with what's known as the 10 time periods.

1. Time of Hunters and Farmers = Prehistoric age (Pretty much everything 'till 3000 BC)
2. Time of Greeks and Romans = What do you think? (+ Egyptians) (± 3000 BC - 500 AD)
3. Time of Monks and Knights = First half of middle ages, feudalism, rise of Islam, that sort of thing (± 500 AD - 1000 AD)
4. Time of Cities and States = Second half of middle ages, rise of cities, pope vs. emperor, that sort of thing (1000 AD - 1500 AD)
5. Time of Explorers and Reformers = Renaissance, reformation, age of exploration + Dutch Revolt (± 1500-1600)
6. Time of Regents and Monarchs = Absolutism, colonialisation, scientific revolution, rise of capitalism & world economy + Dutch Golden age (± 1600-1700)
7. Time of wigs and revolution = Absolutism II electric boogaloo, enlightenment, democratic revolutions (French, American, Batavian (Dutch)), Napoleon (± 1700-1800)
8. Time of Citizens and Steamengines = Industrial revolution, democratization, emancipation, rise of socialism & political parties, modern imperialism, German Unification + sometimes Congress of Vienna & post-napoleonic. depending on the level of education
9. Time of the world wars = This shouldn't be hard to guess either (+ Interbellum and a lot of holocaust) (± 1900-1945)
10. Time of television and computers = Everything after the world wars, from cold war, to EU, to second wave feminism, to middle-east.

While this system has a lot of critique because it places arbitrary dates as the sudden turning point of a time period (while these obviously can't be given an exact date) it does help give people better insight in the exact order of history, to prevent cases like: >>2672839
or people who thought our golden age ended when the Nazi's invaded (It does get that bad).

>>2681624
In practise this system looks like this:

>year 9
Period 1-4

>year 10
Period 5-7

>Year 11
Period 8-10

At this point you get the option to drop a couple of subjects and pick a few new ones.

>Year 12
Period 1-6 again, this time we go deeper (as in I actually learned about things like Charles Martel & the Byzantine Empire in school)

>Year 13
Period 7-10 again + a special book covering state-forming + a special book covering the three largest subjects for the finals: Dutch Republic, World Wars, Cold War

>>2681672
With dropping subjects I meant to say dropping history as one of these subjects.

>>2678655
>>>>>wew

>>2681175
I know this might be hard for you to believe, but woman are allowed to exist on this board :^)

>>2672464
I just find it funny

>>2682145
no one cares that you're a woman

>>2682145
I meant your spewing of history memes irl. Referring to yourself as a x-aboo is as cringy as crusader fags.

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>>2672447
probably for a lot of reason, but talking for what i've see around me:

>lack of leadership skill/interest
if you are a follower you could care less about what great men and women did in the past since you don't need to be inspired to do great feats
you're here to follow and the less you know about your roots and history the better you perform this role

>the fucked up way history's teached
most teachers and school simply read the manuals and force the kids to memorize dates and loose facts
needless to say if you're not a mindless drone you won't find any kind of pleasure in learning this way

if you add a small dose of negligent parents that never bothered to waste time raising their kids and let the tv do that for them, you have the perfect mix to have someone that either hates or simply doesn't care about their own past

>>2675263
>The study of history is the study of humans, which, recently, has been vastly underappreciated in a classroom setting; especially in most American public schools, which I find highly upsetting.
>American schools really need to pump up their history and PE regimen.

It's like this all around the world, it seems...
Thing is, you can't teach history like you teach languages or similar subjects. It needs space to grow, just like philosophy. You can't just have someone spouting ancient facts and having everyone writting them down... They need to captivate and argue with their students so they understand that those people actually exist and aren't just some kind of abstract idea lost in the past

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>>2673732
Shillary and Soros are trying to block out the truth

>>2682766
desu the whole post in the pic you posted could be refuted if we just said "Spartacist Uprising", instead of "German revolution of 1918-19" the Spartacist Uprising may not have been the entirety of that violent and shitty affair but it still made manifest the fears of communism in 1900's Europe.

Zetkin was married to a Jew, and was effectively a part of the Jewish community. Attempting to point out the exception to the rule that the leadership wasn't Jewish only helps establish that the rule WAS that the leadership was Jewish.

Most humans are barely sentient. They parrot what they hear, behave the way they think "society" wants them to behave and fall for all the memes in the land without doubting them ever.

>inb4 please dont cut yourself on that edge :P

Really sentient, intelligent humans are always surrounded by an ocean of the lesser ones, and are therefore always feeling "odd", lonely and "weird".

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>>2680109

>>2682863
>tries to inb4 out of being judged for being the edgiest kid on the block
jesus dude you're scaring the children

>>2682863
No edge at all here. It is what it is.
Cue the ladies shocked.

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>>2682766
Furthermore, the Wikipedia page of the event is not fortunate to the picture's position.
The revolution as a whole was still a Marxist uprising.

>>2682881
>>2682863
how's middle school going?

>>2680109
I am genuinely sorry if that's your introduction to Christendom.

>>2682888
>the delusions of the '''mature adult'''
Suppose you project so hard because you are one of those.

>>2673693
they dont know much about the roman empire if they refer to it as the postmortem term "byzantium"

>>2672447
>History for normies:
SIX MILLION JEWS DIED, GAS CHAMBERS KILLED ALL OF THEM, EVIL NAZIS HATED EVERYBODY, JEWS DID NOTHING WRONG, REMEMBER THE DEAD JEWS, HITLER WAS AN EVIL DICTATOR,

>>2685944
This is all true though.

>>2685968
>jews did nothing wrong
>true
Pick one.

>>2685998
Jews are literally the most blameless people in history. They literally did nothing.

>>2678774
My friend thought that all sides of WW1 had the same tank designs (St Chamond, FT-17, Mark V, Sturmpanzerwagen), and they were called Assault Tank, Light Tank, Landship and Heavy Tank.

Because that's how it was in Battlefield 1

I don't think normies are ignorant of history. There is a kind of history that would get everyone pumped up. So much so they are all removed to /pol/. Everyone has his or her own version of it

>>2685968
No, most of those affirmations are aren't true at all.

>>2672472
Lol

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>>2672464
Are you me

>>2672447
I dont know much about history but I do think it sounds interesting. How does one go about learning history? On /sci/ there are images of textbooks you can work though, is there something similar on /his/?

>>2678814
holy shit this is accurate. Ive expanded my knowledge alot since then but I can't tell you how many times my parents would pull out
>ANON NAME THE FIRST THREE PRESIDENTS HES SUCH A HISTORY BUFF LMAO
in front of family friends like I was some sort of encyclopedia. I didn't know shit desu and still don't but normies are absolute retard tier when it comes to history irl i've met only about 3 people who surpass me

>>2682888
He's right, though.

>>2680890
(X) doubt

Shut the fuck up you 14 year old attention-craving faggy acne-covered teenager

>>2682145
That doesn't mean you are one faggot. Tits or GTFO nigger

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>>2686006
>gets kicked out of 120+ completely different countries with completely different religions, cultures, and ideals over 1000 years
>they all just happened to hate Jews for (((((citation needed)))) AntiSemitism reasons

People unironically believe this

>>2688570
I'm honestly SURPRISED by the sheer lack of historical knowledge normies have. I have met, literally, 4 people in my entire life that know what the Austro-Hungarian was.

>>2673649
ACH NEIN
ITS ANOTHA DRESDEN

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>>2674002
We're onto you Paidrick

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>>2673732
The spartacus uprising happened in 1919, the german revolution began and finished in november-december 1918. It was brought up by the navy/soldier-led kiel mutiny who were sick of the war effort. They teamed up with the SPD led by Ebert and Noske and they abolished the monarchy. The spartacus commie-jews sperged out the next month when they realised it was only going to be a social democracy. They were btfo by the Spd led new-government and their "uprising" lasted about 10days before they unironically got all killed.

Stop memeing about muh jewish stab faggot

>>2672458

This.

Some of my high school history education was so boring it almost put me off, and I was already predisposed to liking it.

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>>2681974

Go on, say it. Say "wagecuck" or "wageslave" and oust yourself as a living breathing meme who fell for some NEET's rant about how great it was to be a medieval peasant or prehistoric hunter gatherer.

>>2690810
>being a serfslave or an artisan cuck
lo, behold, we hath found a cvckth!

>>2678318
>>2678360
This is partially true, but there are women who are history autists. Some people I know are actually trying to set me up with a girl who is studying ancient Greek.

Its a failure of this task oriented, memorization based, nightly homework bullshit school culture that emphasizes things can be qualified on a bubble sheet test so that """teachers""" can put as little effort into educating as possible.

The amount of times Ive heard people say "i hate memorizing dates" is proof positive of this. What the fuck does history have to do with "dates". Nigga, i couldn't tell you what year rome was sacked and Ive read the Decline and Fall. The socio economic forces that lead to the fall of rome, and characters like Augustus, Marcus Arelius, Commodus, Julian the Apostate, Constantine, etc are faaar more interesting. But its harder to give someone a check + + or whatever on their homework when the question isnt "what year did the civil war start".

I didnt like school, if you cant tell.

Theres also the problem that 99.9% of history only involves men, which puts women off.

>>2672455
Pretty much. As much as I was bored of it, I was glad when my college classes showcased the more mundane aspects of history. Hell we hardly talked about battles in my american military history class, we devoted more time on doctrines and shit

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>>2672464
>tfw the only reason why you're intelligent compared to normies is because you're autistic.

>>2682766
>Shillary and Soros
Fuck off back to T_D and get the fuck off 4chan. You fucking Redditors are the worst scum

>>2691089
>Theres also the problem that 99.9% of history only involves men, which puts women off.
You were going so well there. Show tits, by the way

>>2675263
>American schools really need to pump up their history and PE regimen.
Normalfaggotry at its best.

>>2677333
>I had two abnormaly good history teachers for my high school years though. They covered a lot of stuff and really cared about what they were teaching.

The teacher makes such a big difference no matter where you are. I'm grateful for the men who got me through high school history and inspired such a love for it

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>>2673789
This is funny considering the Irish can't even infiltrate or control the northern half of their own country

>>2672464
I know this feeling. Most historians are specialists in a pretty narrow area of study though. Not knowing as much as they do about that narrow topic doesn't really reflect badly on anyone who isn't specializing in that same topic.

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>>2673789
>no accumulative habits
McKinley did acquire an empire for America, it's just too bad what the Roosevelt Dynasty managed to do with it.

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>>2673789
Could use an update. President Trump is Norse-Gaelic.

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>>2672840

>>2693035
He's a mad carrot

>>2693133
I disagreed with his suggestion to Angela Merkel that Germany should 'repay America' or something, but that's about it.