/hpg/ - headphone general

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First for plebstopper is the best poster in this general and deserves to have his cock pleasured by a thousand purest waifus.

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reposting here
i got sennheiser HD598, and akg k240s as "good" headphones

i like my 598s a lot, they are the most comfortable thing in the world, and the audio sounds perfect through my scarlet solo (i do mic stuff too)
the akg k240s sound weak and have a shitty build quality, completely not comfortable either

if i wanted to take a huge fucking step up, would going to the sennheiser HD 800 S be a good idea?
note: i can literally spend fifty thousand dollars on headphones and it wont impact my financial standing, but I don't want to buy any (better) dacs or whatnot because of deskspace issues

the HD 800 S would work decently through a scarlett solo, right? it can drive my 598s as loud as speakers

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What is the second best headphone behind the HD600?

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>>61909049
The barrel of a loaded magnum while I pull the trigger.

>>61909049
Kill yourself you poorfag

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>>61909076
You forgot !HD600.TKq6

>>61909038

Yes huge step, and yes you can probably drive those comfortably on a Scarlett Solo. Since you have the money (and assuming that you're a reasonable distance from a major city), you should find a shop or someone on Head-fi or the like who can let you demo it before you drop dem bux. It would be an 'upgrade' for your setup, but if you don't care for something it does well (or poorly) then it's money poorly wasted.

>>61909151
Right- I'm not actually near any major city. At least, a reasonable time away. I have a feeling, even if I don't like the sound too well, I'll be able to enjoy the comfort of the earpads. Then again, it did take me a while, initially, to get used to higher quality headphones (my 598s) from cheap $20 ones

Worst comes to worst, I'll pawn them off to my music equipment fanatic friend for half price. I have a feeling he'd love something like this and would gladly pay (I'm definitely inviting him over to come try them when I do get them)

That said, are there any other intermediary headphones I could purchase just to have a variety? The only experience with any other brand than Sennheiser is the AKG K420. And I hated that - not comfortable at all. Comfort is my main focus.

Right now, I use my 598s as general purpose:
On the computer, on the go (lan parties), and in bed (and remember to take them off so I don't bust them).
I want to spend money, basically. I'm lame, haha

>>61909199

Maybe fill out the form in the OP so we can get a better idea of what to recommend? I mean, with HD800S money, you might be better served getting Stax and an amp, or Mr. Speakers, Abyss...there's tons of choices out there. Hell, if you've got the money, take a day off and fly to a major city to spend a day demoing the good shit. Maybe even go to a CanJam or similar trade show to sample the goods. I understand the urge to spend money, but spend it wisely...

>>61909266
That's actually a good idea. I'm in Canada, though, I'll have to look up if they have those kinds of demo shows here.

Sorry for my hastiness. I'll fill out the form in my next post.

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Are all headsets really memes?

I hate desktop mics.

>>61909286
>I'm in Canada
Prepare to overpay.
>>61909289
Use a SHP9500S + V-Moda BoomPro. Headsets are always poor values for money.

>>61909289
Headsets in general are poor values, but you can use something like a modmic or vmoda boompro to make a good pair of headphones into a non-meme headset.

>>61909289
Get a lavalier microphone. Please, don't touch it or move the cable too much while talking with your friends. It makes tons of abrasive noises when you do. It's worse on headset mics.

>>61909049
HD580

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>>61909878

>>61909038
Would sooner suggest the HD 800 over the 800S.
Other options include the Ether or maybe a set of Stax Lambdas.
If you needed to swap something, it would be to a fancier interface and not to some audiophile unit.
>the HD 800 S would work decently through a scarlett solo, right? it can drive my 598s as loud as speakers
The k240 description is vague, but not particularly encouraging for the 800. It does essentially boil down to how loud it gets though.

>>61909907
>always posting the same three pictures of fat retards who sat on their headphones

>>61910278
>Always the same reply to the same old posts
I don't see the problem, anon

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What are the second worst headphones behind the DT990?

>>61910490
HD 600

>>61910494
Dipolar pls.

>>61910490
Whatever snaps the best

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>>61910490

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Elear anon here. Post EQ.

>>61910565
>spend $1,000 on headphones just to EQ them
Now that's some illogical spending.

>>61910578
I bought them for the build and aesthetics. The bass is also tight as shit which is nice.

>>61910578
I would personally use the cheapest chink shit earbuds and eq them to Elear levels of sound quality

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>>61910610
Gotchu there too senpai, sound almost as good as elears.

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>>61910525
It's Supercux, silly goose :^)

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>>61910598
>I spent $1,000 on the aesthetics of home use only headphones

>>61910690
I bring them to starbutts with me and strangle hipsters with the garden hose cables :^)

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>/hpg/ is degenerate

>>61911374
Who is this elderly gentleman?

>>61911433
Dan Lavry - He made the dac on the far left (DA11).

>>61909049
laugh at the poorfag

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Idol trash here.
What's your setup like, Anon?

>>61910490
Satania a cute. A cute!!

>>61912031
Please never leave.

>>61913285
I hate vinyl

Hey /g/ which wireless headphones do you recommend? Mostly used for music

>>61913749
price?

>>61914072
100-150 euro max

>>61909049
If only the sound stage and imaging didn't sound so bad.

>>61913749
can always get normal headphones with detachable cables and attach bluetooth adapters to them, at least that way you don't have a permanently gimped headphone

>>61915158
Any recommendations?

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>>61915209
any headphone with 3.5mm or MMCX (mostly for IEMs) connectors. The adapter itself usually ranges from $50-$150

pic related is an example specific to the ATH

Is there any way to get rid of the dust that has accumulate inside my hd 600 drivers? Does it affect on the sound?

>>61915465
disassemble enough and use canned air on the areas that you shouldn't wipe.

>>61909049
I'd put money on the fact that you're plebspotter.

>>61912031
The same as yours, minus the uber part. I fucking love it.

I opened and cleaned my HD600's and now they only work on left wire.
What might be the problem ? there doesn't seem to be any damage on right cable.

>>61915800
If you fully disassembled it, you probably damaged either the tiny copper wires on the driver module, or fucked up the springs where the detachable cables connect.

Plebspotter what is the best sub400$ open headphone in your opinion?

>>61915800
Take pics of the driver module, we'll know more if we can see it. The little springs sometimes have issues, Tyll has a video on how to fix.

Ordered a NFB-11.28 and replacement driver for my HD600 today. Feels good man.

>>61910565
You really don't know how to eq.

>>61915800
Explain what you mean by opened

>>61916309
Nah, I do. Do you?

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>>61912031
HD650 with NFB-11

>>61916296
I approve

Convince me not to buy hd600

>>61917268
You'll never be able to use another headphone again

>>61917295
too veiled for me, not enough bass either, cheap construction that snaps easily, not worth it

>>61917374
>veil
Only applicable to 650s.
>not enough bass
They're neutral, not basshead headphones.
>cheap constructions that snap
After years upon years of abuse, perhaps.

Your post has been debunked, and is poorly sealed.

>>61917503
>>61917295
Oh great, the tiny dick tripfuck is back again.

>>61917881
t. dipolar

>>61917295
>>61917503
Oh boy, micropenis trip cancer is back.

>>61917295
>>61917503
Hooray, the little penis tripcunt is back to shill his chink plastic headphones.

>>61917881
>>61917929
both me ;)

>>61917295
>>61917503
i can't wait for the little weeny tripfag to tell me how great his shitty headphones are.

>>61917295
>>61917503
>Recommends chink plastic veiled headphones
>Has a really small penor

Not surprised.

>>61917503
>>61917295
>Brags about owning shitty headphones and shills them
>Also has a short peepee

I feel so bad for you.

>>61917295
>>61917503
>Narrow dick
>Narrow soundstage headphones

There's a correlation

>1 minute interval posts
Also, aren't HD600s made in Ireland?

>>61917295
>>61917503
>shills chink plastic headphones
>has chink sized dick

top kek

>>61909001
So I managed to score the AKG K701 for $60. I also have the Fiio K1 DAC/amp. With the K1 I can get the K701s to a high enough volume, even though the K701s are supposedly hard to drive.

Now, I can get the O2 amp right now on massdrop for $80. Will that affect my sound quality at all, if I do PC -> K1 -> O2? Because the O2 is supposed to only make the sound louder and my sound is loud enough already, it shouldn't make a difference, right?

>>61918017
>build 100% of the components in China
>ship over to Ireland for final assembly

>>61918017
>>61918114
>where it is then assembled by people with no better skills than your average chinese worker
>they charge $100 for a plastic headband
>you wait a few weeks to hear back from sennheiser about getting this headband.

Somebody's rustled :^)

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>People keep meming about how bluetooth headphones can't give you good music quality
>Buy Sony MDR-1000X
>They are good as fuck


/g/ has no idea about technology

>>61918221
>has tiny peepee

heh

Monoprice desktop amp showed up today.

Pretty solid quality, gives my old Schiit stack a run for it's money. On sale at $65 compared to $200 for my schiit stack.


Powers my AKG K712 pro's just fine. Should also do well when my HD 6xx come in.

>>61918245
It's sound quality for the money.

Yeah, $400 wireless headphones aren't bad, but for $400 you could have gotten far better non-wireless headphones.

>>61918245
Bluetooth has some inherent issues with audio compression that usually makes it unsuitable for audio playback. But I'm pretty sure they've fixed that with aptx.

>>61918245
What other headphones have you owned? What do you compare those to?
It's not difficult to be impressed by shit if all you ever owned was pair of beats and $5 earbuds

>>61915781
Cool :-)

>>61918245
https://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=180&t=5047406

*snap*

>>61918295
>but for $400 you could have gotten far better non-wireless headphones

Like the HD 600

>>61917268
You'll hear flaws everywhere in the music you listen to and thought was good. You'll realize how bad most masterings are.
Other headphones will sound colored as fuck and hiding all these details from you. You'll always be comparing them all to HD600, and they'll always be worse, one way or another.

>>61918393
Fuck off, if you're paying more than $250-300 for HD600 you're a moronic cuck.

>>61917949
We always knew.

What are the best bluetooth headphones for about 200 bucks?

Need them for my iPhone 7, In Ear or overear

So I got a pair of HD 600s. What would be the lowest budget dac/amp that would support them well? I have a budget motherboard so the audio drivers are pretty mediocre.

>>61918752
Monoprice desktop amp

https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=11567

It's still on sale, but even normal $100 it's good value.

>>61915800
Ayy, you damaged it's thin-ass voice coils

>>61917295
Oh fuck off

>>61918752
Either the monoprice mentioned earlier or a fulla 2 or FX DAC-X6. Fulla 2 has lower output impedance which may be useful if you have other lower impedance headphones.

>>61917503
>Says the tripfag who called HD 650s bass heavy headphones

>>61918752
definitely this >>61918781

>>61918017
Chink shit plastic nonetheless

>>61918994
The HD600 is made of high quality polymer which can take years of repeated abuse before deforming or breaking.

Your post has been debunked, and is poorly sealed.

>>61919021
Prove me wrong and stretch your headband :^)

>>61919088
I already have, the metal parts can be easily stretched to reduce clamp.

>>61919021
>The HD600 is made of High Quality Sennheiser Polymer™ which can take years of repeated abuse before Snapping®

I enhanced your post a bit, please use this one from now on.

>>61919088
You can easily stretch them by extending them to their fullest, and then specifically bending the metal underband, not the plastic part.

>>61919098
Your plastic chink shit headband, you silly ;)

>>61919109
Thanks a lot anon.

>>61918752
Fulla 2.

>>61919161
Are you referring to the High Quality Sennheiser Polymer™?

>>61919088
They're very easy to stretch, but my friend bought a pair recently and I actually loved how they felt, and they didn't feel tight to me at all. I wish I didn't stretch mine now.

>>61919170
The HD600 is 300ohm
The Fulla 2 can only output 40mw at 300ohm.

The Monoprice desktop amp can output 150mw at 300ohm.

Unless you've got a ton of low impedance headphones you want to run, the Fulla 2 is garbage for big cans like the HD600.

>>61919170
>USB powered

>>61919178
Yes, now post pls

>>61919217
Sorry, my corporate responsibilities prevent me from doing so. I'd have to ask my manager.

>>61919208
He wants a budget amp. It's very good for the money and being USB only is handy. I own the schiit stack myself, but the fulla isn't far off it desu.

>>61919234
:(

>>61919250
The fulla 2 will drive the HD600 to adequate volumes provided you don't use EQ (which you don't have to with the HD600) and you're not listening to a genre like classical which is mastered at lower volumes.

>>61919250
it is pretty far off it for any sort of higher powered headphones.

The Monoprice desktop amp could power some lower end planar magnet headphones just fine if you wanted, the Fulla 2 is going to struggle even on dynamic headphones like the HD600. Will it make noise and sound decent? Yeah. But it will give more separation and better overall sound with a better amp.

I upgraded from Fiio E10k which can only output like 30mw at 300ohm, and the HD 600 sounds WAYYYY better on my schiit stack.

>>61919287
That's my point, it's great like 95% of the time but at higher volumes it drops in quality compared to the magni. I bought the stack because it feels retarded being limited after spending so much on headphones. I like to know that it's playing at the best quality at all times.

>>61919315
I don't doubt tht, but I'm talking in the case of the 600. The fulla will do,for most people who own them.

>>61919337
Unless you're like me who listens to classical music pretty much 90% of the time.
The Fulla simply wouldn't do.

>>61919287
I love the 600's without an eq but most of the time I listen with 2 or 3db of extra sub bass.

>>61919359
It doesn't do it for me either, that's why I upgraded to the stack, but most people will be happy with the fulla I'd imagine. Especially when you consider the price and how handy it is being small and usb powered.

>>61919320
The fulla is great because if he ever does want more power, he can just buy a magni or o2 and use the fulla as a DAC. It's a much better value than the non-uber stack because you get the preamp outputs of the fulla 2.

Of course, the additional inputs and outputs of the uber stack are a different story.

>>61919365
I'd still say the fulla 2 would be okay, but perhaps looking at a more powerful unit at that point would be necessary. My biggest beef with other cheap combo units is that they sometimes have high output impedances.

>>61919381
Sure, but at that price point i'd probably get the Monoprice desktop amp.

Not as powerful as the schiit stack, but half the price. And far more powerful than the Fulla.

>>61919397
it's only $70 right now, really good value

>>61919439
Yeah, on sale it's even better.

Cheaper than the Fulla 2 by $30, cheaper than the Schiit stack by $130. And is pretty much smack in the middle of the two setups in terms of quality and output power.

At $70 it pretty much is GOAT.

>>61919397
I know nothing about it, but I'll take your word for it.

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>that feel when caressing a nice hot amp

>>61920151
This anime girl, while she may or may not please melanin endowed individuals for money, has good opinions on headphones.

>>61919391
What about a modi multibit with the magni 2 uber? Combined it's 400$

>>61920319
The modi multibit will not offer any audible benefits over the uber. However, it's still a transparent DAC/amp system and if multibit makes you happy, that's your prerogative.

>>61920319
Multibit is a meme. If $400 is your budget, I recommend the NFB-11.28.

>>61920352
Can you link an article showing there's no difference?

>>61920283
>melanin endowed individuals
I usually use the term melanin enriched.

>>61920380
No, but using simple logic we can prove it.
>1. An audibly transparent source device will reproduce audio that is indistinguishable from the original analog recording.
>2. Audibly transparent devices can measure differently, as long as the differences are below the threshold of human hearing.
>3. The schiit uber stack is audibly transparent (measurements on SBAF)
>4. Assuming the modi multibit is also measured to be audibly transparent, it will not sound different from the modi 2 uber.

>>61920373
>>61920472
The reason I'm asking for an article is because I just did a google search for "modi 2 uber vs multibit" and I'm three pages deep and -every single article- says that the multibit sounds better. Nobody anywhere is saying that "multibit is a meme" - in fact, I'm not sure what calling it a "meme" even implies. Are you saying it's popular and therefore it's bad because it's popular?

>>61920476
It is not bad, it is just audibly indistinguishable from the uber.

>>61920476
It's placebo. You don't need it.

>>61920498
Right, as you've claimed. But again, it is not enough to assert a thing, and show that it is reasonable to believe. You have to actually prove it through experimentation, hence I'm asking for research. You see I'm a skeptic. I don't take people's word for it, especially when it's my money. I need to see data first, and then if I can't think of anything that might've been missed, I'll vet it.

Let's be real here. Only an idiot would ask a question in this thread and just believe whatever they were told by literally anyone.

>>61920570
Look at actual measurements then. Any review you read is subjective opinion based on an audiophool.

>>61920570
As there are no measurements, I cannot say for certain. The modibit may be inaccurate and coloring the sound to sound different/"better" than the modi uber. Why don't you do the community a favor and buy the modibit and do some measurements and ABX tests?

>>61920594
That's what I was asking him for. He made a positive claim: that there is no difference. So, he needs to prove that is true with data. He hasn't, and I'm skeptic, so I don't believe him.

But don't misunderstand me. I'm not making a positive claim here. I'm not saying there IS a difference. But a lot of people are saying there is one, whereas only a few are saying there isn't. And nobody has provided any data that I've seen, so I'm not picking a side just yet. I'm merely asking hard questions.

>>61920612
I can't really afford to do that myself, and since there's no evidence to support the claim that the multibit is actually better, I'm probably going to stick with the uber and play it safe. I was just curious if anyone in this thread (namely you) had any data to reference that I had missed before I made my final decision.

>>61920476
A short answer is that is "Multibit" signal output is inferior in every possible way compared to the standard Modi 2. However, it is still arguably "good enough" that no sound issues are expected with the "Multibit".

A longer answer can be given on request.

http://ethanwiner.com/audiophoolery.html

>>61920673
Actually, I was wrong and there are measurements.

https://www.head-fi.org/threads/modi-mb-technical-measurements.817404/

See for yourself.

>>61920699
I'd prefer the longer answer with citations to actual data points so I'm not just getting opinion, which is subjective.

>>61920714
Reading it now, thank you.

>>61920151
>Snap

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>>61920714
>Llistening evaluation finds the multibit magic of dimension and depth present

>>61918752
The fulla2 + magni2 stack.
Of which, you can just get the fulla2 as a starting point, and add the magni2 at some undetermined future point.

>>61920714
I found a side-by-side technical comparison of the modi 2 with the modi multibit showing the difference in triangle conversion: http://www.superbestaudiofriends.org/index.php?threads/measuring-dac-accuracy.4184/

It seems the multibit is more accurate, but only at extremely high resolutions. There is a zero-crossover glitch that causes a bit of distortion as well. The modi2u has more distortion overall, but again, these are extremely high resolutions so they'd barely be noticed.

I think the 99% modi2 is more than sufficient for normal listening on nearly any headphone that isn't priced in the thousands. I wouldn't even recommend the modi 2 uber unless the additional outputs were needed.

Looks like you were right after all. It's probably just a placebo effect.

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>>61920283
she does not you take that back

>>61920673
What headphones do you own and why did you feel the need to get the uber over the standard stack? was it for the extra outputs or is it because you think it sounds better?

>>61921059
I wouldn't get the modi 2 uber, just the regular modi 2. However, the magni 2 uber is something I do need for the extra outputs.

>>61920827
Once you go multibit, you never go back.

People complaining about multibit are always poorfags that can't afford anything else than delta sigma DACs.

>>61921111
https://www.head-fi.org/threads/yggdrasil-gungnir-mb-bifrost-mb-a-terse-ribald-comparison.785369/

Enlighten us on the alleged difference without using fart and/or shit analogies. Oh wait, your head is already too far up your own ass. You can't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tKVN2mAKRI

>>61921055
I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion given that the Modi 2 is the one of the few results free of artifacts, unlike the Modi Multibit.
There is a curious disparity between the waveform results from Marv and atomicbob.

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Got a schiit stack going with the Modi 2 and Magni 2 for my HD 800 S. The combo powers them nicely, but I can already tell I want to experiment with tube amps later.

>When your friends comment your purchase then you put the headphones on their head, then they understand completely.

STOP THE ANIME CANCER YOU COCKSUCKING PIECES OF FAGGOT SHIT

>>61921078
Fair enough. Is the magni uber supposed to sound better though? It doesn't as far as I know.

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>>61921275
No

>>61921209
The images posted in that comparison are showing triangle waves sampled at extremely low frequencies (far below human ears can detect), at extremely high resolutions, for the sake of showing clearly what is happening. You can see that there is "bending" happening in the Modi 2 (non-multibit) which distorts the shape of the waveform just slightly, compressing it to the left of zero. The multibit does not compress the waveform, but there is a zero-crossover glitch which is further discussed in the thread at length if you read further.

For practical listening, the difference amounts to a placebo unless your hardware is extremely high-end and the source is as well.

>>61921269
I have that setup for my 600, but isn't that supposed to be a little weak for the 800? people always seem to have different, much more expensive amps for them. Obviously they will work great together, but I'm assuming other amps can get more out of them? no idea.

>>61921281
I'm not aware of any measurable difference in sound quality from the magni 2 uber compared to the magni 2. I simply need the extra outputs for my speakers.

>>61909001
I have a USB head*set*.
It's not loud enough and I'd want something that sounds better and louder.

For gaming and some video editing, no audiophile tier necessary, what would you guys recommend? I have 300$ to spare give or take.

>inb4 HD600

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>>61921281
idol trash here. I also got the uber stack (w/hd600).
I got it for the features, and because I can (I'm no poorfag).
Magni2 Uber is supposed to have a little more power, but it shouldn't make a difference, unless using some absurdly powerhungry headphones I'm not aware of.

>>61921290
Yohane a cute. A cute!!

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>>61921275
What's the matter, Anon?

https://my.mixtape.moe/teedpq.flac

>>61921376
Sound signature prefered?

>>61921376
>HD600
Correct.

>>61921437
>For gaming

>>61921423
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86PUB4u2s2A
>>61921437
Correct

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>>61921425
I guess neutral.

>>61921303
I know about the crossover distortion with the triangle 16-bit LSB test, I had this conversation with them already.
Tones are taken at 200Hz, 750Hz, and one closer to 1kHz.
>bending
That's just an in-band phase shift. This sort of LF phase shift would just be dismissed as inaudible. If you actually cared about it, it get removed with a selective use of EQ and all pass filters.

>>61921501
Then unironically HD 600s you goofy fuck

>>61921501
>>61921511
Have fun trying to run that shit though

>>61921511
Okay, but should I also buy a DAC and AMP or can I just plug them into my motherboard audio output.

>>61921511
>For gaming

>>61921503
I'm not sure what your point of contention is anymore. You just said yourself that the distortion would be dismissed as inaudible, and I'm saying the same thing.

>>61921528
>Or can I just plug them into my motherboard audio output
Kek. Probably not. What's your motherboard?

>>61921529
Fucker asked for neutral headphones; maybe downgrade to the HD 599s or DT 880s if anon wanted some soundstage

>>61921529 >>61921598
>HD599
That's an interesting way to spell HD579

>>61921598
>Fucker asked for neutral headphones
Neutral headphones for gaming

>>61921612
I know there's a marginal difference between the two, but are they somehow better?

>>61921404
>>61921329
Cheers.

>>61921668
>marginal difference
Correct. Identical or almost FR.
>better
Reviewers do think so.
>but really, better?
Yes. Notice price tag. That seals the deal.

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>>61921485
You make my heart go doki doki

https://my.mixtape.moe/crpsiq.flac

>>61921563
>point of contention
Accuracy and audibility. It would easier to push a contrived case for audibility of the Multibit errors than the Modi 2.
Moreover, the audibility has no relation to "high end gear" and source.

>>61921710
moeru, anata no tameni

>>61921579
I dunno, but the motherboard has 3.5mm audio output.

>>61921745
Do you know what brand or socket? But chances are, you probably aren't able to run them well

>>61921745
If it can swing 2Vrms on the output, you can use your MB without an amp.

>>61921725
I'm sorry, I still don't see what it is you seem to disagree with. I never said that the differences could be noticed by anyone listening under ordinary circumstances. I also never stated that the modi multibit errors would be easier to notice than the phase distortion of the modi 2.

>>61921766
Well I am upgrading this month anyway with this one
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813145003&cm_re=Gigabyte_AB350M-_-13-145-003-_-Product

But if I have to spend money on a DAC and AMP I am not opposed to it, if I stretch my budget to around 350€ or so I should be able to get something decent right? Remember that I want it mostly for gaming, not audiophile music listening. So I don't need *the best* sound quality, I just want something good that is worth my money, and I don't want to buy 50€ chinkphones.

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>>61921449
"You need a wide soundstage for gaming" is a myth. Virtual surround works just fine with even Etymotics.

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>>61921740
https://my.mixtape.moe/bajkcg.flac

>>61921668
I'm pretty sure the HD579 are just a recolored HD599 with an added piece of foam ala 558/598, hence there's no reason to spend more on a HD599.

>>61921911
You don't need a wide soundstage for gaming, but you don't need a narrow-as-fuck one too

>>61921857
Spend a bit more on a decent source. The HD 600 probably isn't the best headphone for gaming, but you aren't going to find a better neutral headphone for your budget either.

>>61921947
A narrow soundstage does not necessarily negatively impact a headphone's ability to place sounds in front of/behind/above/below you.

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>>61921886
I'm retarded and actually did not know this. Thanks anon, I feel enlightened and empowered now. Fuck these autistic normies.

>>61921974
It sure as hell doesn't help it either

>>61921857
>ALC887
http://audiophilesoft.ru/articles/realtek_audio_setup/ALC887.pdf
Has an amplifier built-in. It should be sufficient, if anything.
>budget
Should be spent in headphones, not amps and dacs you might not need or even benefit from.

I'm looking for an amp to drive my TH-X00s and I'm willign to spend up to $400, any suggestions?

>>61922047
Just an amp, or do you need a DAC too?

>>61922017
>Headphone amplifier output@32Ohm 1.2Vrms

yeah that aint gonna be great for the 300Ohm HD 600

>>61922017
Thanks a lot, I'll look into this one.

>>61921972
I've been lurking /hpg/ for a while and all the memes about the HD600 are kinda turning me off of it. Real talk now, is it shit?

>>61922047
I assume you already have a DAC?

Schiit Jotunheim
Schiit Magni2u
O2
JDSLabs EL Amp

Combo units:
Schiit stack
O2/Odac
JDSLabs Element

>>61922047
Just grab a Fulla 2. You're covered with that.
Worst case scenario, you need more power at some point; You can get a Magni 2 later.

>>61922091
If he doesn't need them to go deafening loud, surely will suffice.
He can order a Fulla 2 at any point later if he really needs one.

>>61922101
https://www.innerfidelity.com/content/very-important-sennheiser-hd-580-hd-600-and-hd-650
tl;dr: It's not shit.

>>61922120
32Ohm at 1.2Vrms is what, 45mw output power.

At 300Ohm that's 4.5mw

The HD 600 have a maximum input power of 120mw.

4.5 out of 120 possible doesn't seem like it will deliver good results.

Sure it will make noise, and if you crank it all the way up it'll be loud enough to hear stuff, but it's not going to give you the best performance for the drivers, it wont be robust and punchy. You simply dont have enough power.

>>61922101
They're probably the best headphones you can get at 300$ USD full-retail. Unless you don't mind waiting and ordering something from massdrop.com, where there are often very good bargains on higher-end headphones. For instance right now there's a massdrop sale for a pair of AKG K7XX limited edition headphones for only 200$ that normally sell for over 600$ - that's twice the value of the Senn 600HDs. You also don't need to wait for them to ship (something you normally would with massdrops), they actually ship right now.

>>61922101
>and all the memes about the HD600 are kinda turning me off of it. Real talk now, is it shit?
Absolutely not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpSYmDdTSJQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2Es9S9tXTY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AZTKCMRzHM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKmSYLlsP8U

>>61922177
They don't sell for over $600.

They're $300-350 headphones that trade blows with the HD600/650

>>61922017
That's the one in your new motherboard.

>>61922204
Correct, the Fulla 2 is at least going to be decent.

The built in ALC887 we're discussing however is NOT.

>>61922184
It's literally amazing. There'es too many cucks here that get sensitive about it. Look everywhere else but here, then you will find the answer.

>>61922177
>$10000 discounted to $10
That's 1000x the value! /s

>>61922217
Whoops, didn't read. My bad.

>>61922228
It technically is, since market value isn't subjective.

>>61922250
wrong thread?

>>61922102
>>61922079

I have a schiit stack, I'm looking to have the cable modded to be removable/balanced on them, so I was thinking of getting a jotunheim w/ the DAC and selling my stack

>>61922107

>>61922156
I've always been skeptical about claims that one transparent amp with more "power" will make a headphone sound better than a different transparent amp with less "power" when played at the same volume. I've always thought that an amp simply needs to be loud enough and measurably accurate. I posted the following thread on head-fi when I saw a claim I was skeptical about on /hpg/: https://www.head-fi.org/threads/is-there-a-scientific-reason-behind-subjective-reports-of-bass-response-sounding-anemic-through-underpowered-amps.855435/
None of the replies supported the idea that one transparent amp can produce a different frequency response than a different transparent amp at the same volume, minus impedance issues, of course. I have yet to see a convincing scientific explanation for this possibility and remain extremely skeptical of it.

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>>61922250

>>61922131
>>61922177
>>61922184
Okay thanks, I guess it's settled.
I'll buy the HD600s and look into the Fulla 2 as well.
I'm so excited, my first pair of audiophile grade headphones!

>>61922252
>market value isn't subjective
Actually, it is literally made of subjective. People's willingness to pay will tend to be close to the perceived value
The more the expensive, the better. But look at ebay "sold" items for realistic such "value".
MSRP are to be literally ignored.

>>61922270
There isn't an audible difference, and the X00 don't need the power that the Jotunheim provides. That being said, the Jot is a much nicer unit than the non uber stack just in terms of build and functionality.

>>61922284
Drinking snake a cute. A cute!!

Whats a good dac to start with? I've recently bought the beyerdymic dt 880 250ohm version and while i love the sound its too quiet at times

>>61922259
sorry, i got some headphones too and was posting in the opposite threads lol

>>61922284
nice snake, saved

Wow, someone mentioned HD600 and there wasn't a sudden flood of shitposting. Amazing.
https://warosu.org/g/thread/S61909084 I wonder if it's because he was banned for starting literally a fourth simultaneous hpg.

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>>61922285
Congrats, hope you like them.

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>>61922177
>that normally sell for over 600$

>>61922101
They are not shit headphones, but the shills calling them perfect are bullshit

>>61922319
The one in the Schiit Fulla 2.
>good DAC
>decent AMP (very good when considering USB)

>>61922329
Aoba a cute. A cute!

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>>61921710

>>61922339
>the shills calling them perfect are bullshit
Bullshit as in literal false flagging.
>>61922344
Loli dragon a cute. A cute!!

>>61922297
You're just being autistic. At any given moment in time, the market value of a product is objective, period. What determines market value can be people eating shit for breakfast; it doesn't matter how subjective the forces that set the price are. The price is set at whatever it's set at at the time of sale, which is the objective value of the product at that time.

>>61922308
>>61922319
you're welcome anons

>>61922339
Nobody here ever calls them perfect. Perfect headphones are impossible without universal agreement on a target curve as well as technology that scans the outer and inner ear and responds with individualized DSP.

>>61918276
>MDA
>K712
It's fucking with K712's sound. MDA has 10 ohm output impedence.
>>61922047
NFB11

>>61922285
When they snap, take a photo and post it so we can verify the memes

>>61922271
Do straight up A and B testing with two amps.

I have a Monoprice Desktop amp and my motherboards built in ALC1150 (1.1Vrms).

With my AKG K712 (62 Ohm 200mW maximum input power) that's a maximum of ~19mW of input power when plugged into my motherboard. However my monoprice desktop amp can deliver 500mW+ at 62Ohms.

With my motherboard audio I have to turn my volume all the way up to max during movies just to hear the more quiet sections, and even then the loud portions aren't terribly loud either, and this is with the media player and all volume controls maxed.

With my desktop amp at half volume I can have my software volume at 20% and the sound is crisp and loud, quiet scenes come through easier and sounds are more punchy overall.


On board audio has gotten better, but for higher end headphones, it still wont compare to a decent amp.

>>61922374
>universal agreement on a target curve
I think we can all agree HD600 is the target curve. The closer the better.
HD600 get quite close, they're really good.

>>61922156
>At 300Ohm that's 4.5mw
>The HD 600 have a maximum input power of 120mw.
Useless if you don't know how many decibels the HD600 outputs at a given power level.

>>61922396
I'll make sure to keep that one in mind. But so far all the hardware recommendations I've taken from /g/ have been good, as long as they were taken with a grain of salt and didn't look like memes. My screen, keyboard and mouse sure do work very well, so I'm hoping the headphones do too.

>>61922412
>>Useless if you don't know how many decibels the HD600
https://nwavguy.blogspot.ie/2011/09/more-power.html
https://www.audiobot9000.com/match/sennheiser/hd-600/with/schiit/fulla-2
>113.4dB
Sufficient.

>>61922220
Like the Sennheiser shill who wouldn't accept anything other than flat graphs?
>>61922326
>There wasn't a sudden flood of shitposting
The Sennheiser shill seems to have left, and DiPolar looks like he has been temporarily banned

>>61922417
Peace of mind advice for preventing snapping from ever occuring: extend the HD600 as far as possible, then grip the metal pieces and bend them to reduce the clamp. Or if the clamp doesn't bother you, you're probably fine.

>>61922396
>>61922285
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNxK-NwSR5U Do this when you first get the HD600 and they will never snap.

Is there a big difference between HD600 and HD650?

>>61922326
I think it's just because his shitposting thread 404'd. Next thread I bet he'll resume posting as if nothing happened.

>>61922432
Agreed.

>>61922401
They are better than most, but not quite neutral though.

>>61922432
Again, we were talking about the ALC887 with 4.5mw at 300ohm, NOT the Fulla with 40mW at 300ohm. The fulla obviously has a lot more power.

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>>61922466
HD650 have -3dB in the treble region relative to the HD600.

>>61922466
Current versions of 650 output 2dB more in the midbass. That's about it.

>>61922399
There's no guarantee your onboard sound is transparent and it sounds like your onboard sound is simply not loud enough.
Also, you should keep software volume at 100%: http://www.esstech.com/files/3014/4095/4308/digital-vs-analog-volume-control.pdf

>>61922466
No, they're really close to each other.
But the HD600 is preferred by the most trusted headphone reviewers who evaluated both.
The HD650 gives a little more bass and more forward midrange, at the expense of being less accurate (more colored) and having a sharper treble rolloff, making them dark headphones.

I would buy the senns but I prefer a little more bass without having to fiddle with shitty software EQs that fuck up the signal source. I find the senns to be too analytical for my tastes, but then everyone shilling for them in this thread acts like I'm being a basshead nigger when all I want is something a little warmer.

>>61922537
Well get the HD650 then. I love mine.

>>61922448
I have no idea what you're talking about. I don't give a shit about graphs. I used to buy headphones based on their general sound signature and reviews. I got to the 600 and stopped.

>>61922537
You can't trust all of them, senpai
>Calling HD 650s nigger bass
Kek

>>61922450
>>61922454
Got it, thanks again.

>>61922537
You have an illogical, scientifically unfounded fear of equalization. The only effect EQ has on audio other than correcting frequency response (read: IMPROVING frequency response) is phase shift, which is inaudible: http://ethanwiner.com/EQPhase.html
EQ, when used properly, improves frequency response with no audible negative effects on audio.

>>61922537
Software EQ is good, anon. There's a reason most good speaker setups incorporate some form of DSP. With headphones it's even better because there's less worry about phase changes.
Regardless, the HD650 is a warmer 600.

Yo nigga, it's ok bro.

>>61922388
>It's fucking with K712's sound. MDA has 10 ohm output impedence.
While it breaks the 1/8th rule, I got it because i have HD6xx coming in december with the latest massdrop order. And since those are 300 ohm, I was prepping for my new headphones.

And 62ohm for the K712 isn't too far behind the recommended minimum of 80ohm.

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>>61922592
Fuck you I'm not a nigger, I just... I just like a little extra bass th-that's all!

reeeee

>>61922638
Nothing wrong with skin that's slightly tanned. I tend to like these myself.
http://www.project-imas.com/wiki/Natalia

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>>61922388
Output impedance doesn't appear to have a major effect on K712 frequency response.

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>>61922666
s-same

>>61922342
last question, sorry if its retarded. Should i look for an amp or dac?

>>61922670
If I remember correctly, K702/712 have a very flat impedance in the bass, where most headphones have a considerable hump.

If there's no hump, you can have any output impedance you want on your source.

>>61922710
>Should i look for an amp or dac?
If you have neither, then get both. Fulla 2 is both, and it's a very good starter. The dac is really good, the functionality is very convenient, and the amp is decent for USB. Line outs allow for using a separate amp should you ever need more power.

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>>61922682
Yep, I just so happen to like ahagon a lot.
It's quite a tough choice between her and hifumi.

>>61922710
Just a straight up DAC wont amplify anything, it just converts a digital input to an analog output.

You must take that analog output and amplify it for your headphones to get volume.

You can do this with a separate amp, or you can get a combo amp/DAC.

Most people prefer the convenience of a 2 in 1 device. Like the Schiit Fulla2, but for higher end headphones it can be cheaper (or be more expensive but provide a greater variety of input/output options/features) to get two separate high end devices, a standalone amp, and standalone DAC. vs an all in one amp/DAC for those high end headphones.

>>61922732
This. If you don't have either and are new to this hobby you should buy it. You most likely won't want to upgrade for a long time if ever.

>>61922319
>>61922710
https://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=120&cp_id=12008&cs_id=1200801&p_id=11567#

>>61922740
Ok, there's still a hump but it's pretty flat.
10ohms should be inoffensive.

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>>61922795
dat sale price

>>61922732
>>61922773
>>61922795
Thank u guys, ordering today

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can anyone recommend me a headphone case that can fit my headphones without having to remove the cable (anything that can fit a hueg AKG K702 so it can fit practically everything else)?

pic related would be awesome (can't fit the K702 very well though, but other headphones are almost ok) *BUT* it cannot fit with the cables on. I do not want to resort to the same case used for guns though.

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>>61922357

>>61923846
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00FMFBU16/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_n72Kzb89N2B1F
Maybe this one?

>>61911374
What's he listen to?

>>61924044
hotel california

new thread

>>61924109

>>61924109

>>61924109

>>61924109

>>61924109

>>61923890
She's just at the right height for head patting.

>>61924018
>https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00FMFBU16/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_n72Kzb89N2B1F
that might work, thanks

cant believe I didnt see that when I ended up getting the smaller
https://www.amazon.com/AKAI-Q701-K701-Headphone-Carrying/dp/B00FMENOCA/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1502835082&sr=8-2-fkmr1&keywords=akg+k702+case
instead previously. fuck.

>>61924169
The trick is to search for HD800 case, cause the HD800 is pretty much the largest headphone out there, so anything which fits that will fit basically anything else.

>>61914170
Look for some chinkshit

Hello, I need to get a mic setup, preferably independent of my actual headphones (ie no modmic). Can anyone help me out here? If so, what do you recommend?

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>>61924502
Here

>>61924502
https://www.amazon.com/Neewer-Professional-Microphone-Adjustable-Broadcasting/dp/B06XJ2DZ64
if you want to hear a microphone test on it, watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eS8vxidBnDw

>>61924774
I would prefer a non usb microphone, sorry i did not specify. Is that possible?

>>61924786
There's also an XLR/3.5mm version of the NW-7000

>>61924803
Any other options? I am just wondering to broaden my options before i make an investment.

>>61924959
If this is just for VOIP, the best I personally would buy are one of the sub $100 Audio Technica mics like the AT2020 or Samson Meteor.

>>61909049
hd580

>have dt770 pro80
>connected to PC trough FiiO E10K
>cream pants
>want the same for tv

what do? This thing only has a USB input, coax out, line out and 3,5mm out.
Is there any possibility to connect TV > 3.5mm-USB converter > dac
what about TV > 3.5mm > PC > USB out > dac

>>61923846

I picked up >>61924018 for travelling and it's massive